3:29 "But if that is the case, then they are certainly not openly discussing it " Derrick Lewis literally said on JRE that he kicked a guy in the nuts, because he knew he would only get a warning, but would get a break to breath and calm down.
I think the whole "beat the champ" thing has a lot do with the atrocious judging that occurs in mma. Losing the belt because the judges have a minimal grasp of the fight they just witnessed is nonsense. It's also pushback against the strategy of round-stealing (going hard in the last minute because that's what the judges will actually remember). Also, fans don't tend to feel this way over lopsided fights, only the close ones
It also makes for boring fights. If a champ knows he did enough to win at least 3 rounds he will most likely coast the rest of the way and play it safe. I think JJ perfected this type of strategy and it almost blew up vs Dom
'Beat the champ' mentality is part of why judging is so atrocious. If you were going to have an unwritten rule that benefited anybody (and you shouldn't), it'd be the challenger. It makes more sense to hold the champion to a higher standard.
@@michaelthomas8147 they should judge differently altogether. This sport is supposed to be a fight to see who is better, as close to real life as we can get with sports. This should not be judged like boxing or karate because the fight is more than just who landed more or was able to secure a take down without doing any damage just to stall or get last second points to steal a round
I was hoping after the "missing weight" rule, you would include "even if your opponent misses weight, you still fight." Its not often that when someone misses weight that the other person doesn't agree to the fight, even though they are allowed to. I don't remember who it was, but i remember someone did not agree to the fight after their opponent missed weight, and the UFC cut her
I'd say those count. But knowing the nature of UFC, where something is always at stake, and your best bet is to fight even if both your arms and legs are cut off or else, I don't mind the excuses as much as others do.
I knew the glove touch thing would be number 1. It’s a show of respect, to just attack right then when someone is giving you respect is just a douche move.
@@THEjoelivingstone victor ortiz was getting worked and out of frustration threw a jumping head-butt at Mayweather...why should floyd reciprocate when the ref called fight? it was bad faith to even use this as an example
@@js1741 I understand that sentiment. But if someone is showing respect, it’s not cool to hit em. I competed in BJJ at high levels, we’d just slap fives to show respect, one dude decided not to do it and he shot in. I made him tap, it was an RNC and I cranked his neck for disrespecting me.
The "no fighting teammates" rule has one major caveat: it can be acceptable if your teammate asks you to be a short-notice opponent for their fight (or risks the fight being cancelled), since in that case you are helping your teammate.
In which case… *What are THE BEST FRIENDS FIGHTING FRIENDS / TEAMMATES in MMA history* ❓ Like not holding back just because they watched your dog when you were out of town sentimentality.
I've seen a case where both guys pretended to be beefing, got Dana all worried and then they hugged a few seconds later XD one of my favourite moments, great when pals in the Octagon can compete against each other.
@@TheDanzomanzo I don't think Jon Jones and Anthony Johnson were teammates. The reason they did it was to prank Dana White after the staredown incident between Jon Jones and Daniel Cormier.
It's crazy to think about the sport evolving where everyone commits at least one "free foul" per fight, because that's just what you do, as part of the strategy. That's probably going to happen, it does in every other sport. Balls and strikes in baseball were put into the rules way back in the day because pitchers would throw "bad balls" on purpose just to make the batter impatient and start swinging at bullshit, so they put a limit on the amount of "bad balls" a pitcher could throw in an at bat, that's why we have balls and strikes now, and the batter gets a walk after 4 balls. So obviously it's not advantageous for a pitcher to throw balls, but they still do, often on purpose. It's just smart baseball, you don't want to throw too many strikes because that gives the batter too many opportunities. A smart pitcher will throw at least 1 out of the strike zone on purpose in almost every at bat, it's just what you do. I suspect we'll see the same thing with eye pokes or fence grabs in the MMA future.
@@CJ-rc5ru I can't speak for everyone, but what I've seen is people mostly just saying Aljo played it up to get a win by default. And I agree with that, I think he could have continued if he really wanted to, but he was under no obligation to, Petr broke the rules, period, end of story. Aljo just didn't help his own popularity with his behavior leading up to that and after.
It would be dumb to deliberately foul your opponent because it's so easy to accidentally do it (eye pokes and groin strikes) so you wouldn't "get your free foul" in on purpose for fear of accidentally fouling again and losing a point
@@smith9157 not in all cases though, in desperation like you just really need a break to recover, or maybe late in a close fight and you haven't had an "accidental foul" yet. Similar to how basketball teams will use fouls on purpose late in the game just to stall for time.
About that wightcut issue: Those fighters have months of training camp. The reason why some don't make the weightcut is because they try to get away with cutting lots of weight at the last second instead of gradually lowering weight during training camp. That practise also got several fighters into health troubles and cost them and us as fans good fights. So it really needs to go away.
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The unwritten rule of after suffering a major foul and you’re losing you must continue is so freaking stupid. Just take Aljo for example. Taking a direct knee to the temple, the man got concussed. And people expect him to literally risk his life for a guy who illegally hurt him. Taking more damage while concussed takes years off your life man, it ain’t worth it.
If a fighter doesn't want to lose off a foul, they shouldn't foul. The person on the receiving end should take the W every time. There's no obligation to enable someone who cheats against you.
I can understand why some fans can think the win is somewhat unearned, but yeah, the blame is almost always on the wrong foot. It is very hard to tell how injured someone is just from video as well, someone might seem mostly fine and might seem like they are milking it, but everyone will react to things slightly differently especially when dealing with adrenaline as well so trying to call it just from what you see then and there has the chance to deal major additional damage
People only agree with the "you have to BEAT the champ" rule when it suits them, I've never seen it brought up by someone who didnt want the champ to win
@@jawwilson5864 I'd say Gane vs Ngannou is a better example, when you look at the official stats and read the rules on how judges have to score fights Gane won that fight. But oh because you have to "BEAT the champ" everyone says he lost
@@samH1305 I'm late with one month but what is this criteria? Francis won the last 3 rounds with his wrestling - end of the story. If the rounds were close you're sure there would've been people saying that it was robbery and yada yada. But there weren't such opinions because Francis won the fight fair and square.
The "don't make excuses" is also an unwritten rule for professional track athletes. To me there is a difference between an excuse and a reason, but a lot of people don't feel that way.
There are a plethora of legitimate reasons why a pro athlete wouldn't perform well on a given day and it shouldn't be looked down on to simply give a reason. It can go too far with nonsense but someone breaking an arm shortly before the fight is a legit reason for not being your A game even with top medical professionals.
I truly feel these judges need to go through a 2 to 3 month crash course on how to identify certain factors that present themselves and how to understand offensive and defensive grappling as well as positioning. The rules should be clarified and definitely rewritten to help weed out the vague rules.
Naw too much work to those lazy assholes who already benefit off the structure the truth what has been holding back all combat sports is lack of legitimate legislative regulations as well as penalies, audits, and sever financial punishment for failure to uphold standards and even then its not like these high price corrupt people cant pay to have eyes look the other way. Theres been hundreds of fights were certain fighters were medically or officially cleared to fight and all they have to do is go to another state or country and they can fight again. Same for judges.
So you want the judges to all give the exact same score and think the same about every fight? Might as well just have 1 judge, and train him extensively. Anyways its best to have it the way it is to narrow the two extremes…
The only ones I’d say that Jones gotten away with in terms of that was the Reyes fight and the first Gustafson fight and maybe the Thiago fight (I had him winning that). That’s about it wouldn’t exactly say many
I completely agree with you on the whole "you have to beat the champ" thing. Otherwise, the champ doesn't have to defend their belt by winning. They just have to not lose
If anything the rule should be reversed, where the champion has to defeat the challenger. To prove that they're the best in the division they need to be held to a higher standard then their peers.
@@derultnerlp9319 ummm what? Lmaooo there’s literally draws in MMA…. And if you the champ and it ends in a draw you get to keep the belt. Tf are you even talking about? 😂
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That time Tank Abbott nailed that dude with a totally necessary hammer fist when he was already out cold, and he did the Heisman Trophy pose with his arm sticking straight out and his legs were twitching. Holy balls. I remember there being an urban legend that the dude died or was actually paralyzed, and it was totally believable.
@@azrael557 I think John Matua was the name of the guy I'm talking about, he was wearing a black t-shirt and karate pants. Lol. He had no business in the UFC, and unfortunately learned the hard way. (Yes I've seen that fight a hundred times, it's on Ultimate Knockouts 1, I have it on DVD bc I'm old school like that.) Tank had a lot of brutal KOs though, are you talking about the guy he smashed with a hook from the clinch, up against the cage, and the guy folded up like a lawn chair? Haha. I can't remember that guy's name. That one was terrifying too though.
I think I actually agree with all of these unwritten rules... Even the contradictory ones like "No excuses." and "Dont pull out of a fight." A paradox... but still, I agree with them.
In my last amateur fight my opponent hit me off the glove touch. I was so mad too because the ref had said in the pre-fight meeting that he would take a point if you did (Rules are different for amateurs in my state) but he didn't have a chance to do anything because I grabbed him and Guillotined him immediately after. The official time was 28 seconds into the first round. Never punch off the glove touch, Karma will get you.
...considering you are still thinking about it i dont think this is the 'point' you think it is. Pretty sure the lesson is 'be more aware of guillotine attempts' for that fighter and they probably accepted it and moved on, you still have it taking up real estate in your head...
"Sometimes several fouls go unpunished" the best example of that isn't Germain vs Holms, it's Conor vs Khabib. Someone counted like 10 fouls in that fight happening in front of Herb Dean and he didn't do anything about it.
I’m pretty sure he’s talking about actual shots that matter, Holmes was rocked twice after the bell. The Conor and kabib thing was shorts grabbing and gate grabbing, while we do want the ref to call those who tf cares about that when we’re comparing it to someone taking power shots to the head with no defense
@@abelavich7914 Conor did hit Khabib with an illegal knee right to the head while he was controlled down. But yes, I do get your point. Holms vs Germaine did impact the whole fight
De Randamie fouling Holm to win the featherweight title and then ducking Cyborg until she got stripped of the title really helped her top my least favorite fighter list.
Jesus. Almost four years later and people are still bringing up Khabib vs Conor. There was maybe two fouls in that fight and neither did any damage. Conor got mauled for four rounds. End of discussion. Grow up and ditch the Conor hate, kid. We in 2022.
@@jtdarelli1871 No hate. Only stating what he did which isn't really talked about a lot. Kneeing khabib when he was controlling him, glove grabbing, cage grabbing, grabbing the cage with his toes, hitting on the back of the head. All of these were ignored while the ref just watched. And what's wrong with talking about Khabib vs Conor? Why is it irking you so much? It will be talked about forever because of how significant that fight was. You want to ignore, just ignore. You can't stop people from talking about it.
The 'beat the champ' rule in my opinion is a lot less unfair than in boxing where the title holder often has a mandatory rematch clause...so effectively you need to beat them twice to get the title
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"Beat the champ", in my in my interpretation means to dominate the champ definitively in every round or finish. There can be no question who won. Judging, regardless of knowledge/skill set/training, is subjective. Every judge sees it differently. 3 judges, 3 potentially entirely different perceptions of the same sequence of events in a 10 sec span let alone a 5 min rounds and 1 min intervals. Not to mention they sit apart so as not to influence each other, so that also creates different angles. The same punch might appear to hit/glance/miss depending on the judges position cage side. Regardless of your thoughts on judging as a whole if you don't finish the champ. You better dominate the champ every single moment of that fight so there can be absolutely no question who won.
Big props to him for not taking the DQ victory but at the same time, JON JOOONES knows the rules. It would even be good justice for him to have the belt taken. It was no accident. And in this one on one combat sport the impacts of injury and cheating are more than in any other sport. Due to injury potential and how due to the one on one nature it may really change the course of things. And feeling pressured with behaving honorably allows cheaters to get through to you and hold you back while they keep reaping the glory.
My dad was a fighter, even knocked out a fighter back in old days when that said champ needed sparring partners. But my dad always said... (when it comes to doing illegal shit in the fight) "keep doing what you're doing until the ref gives you the last warning"... my dad isn't a good person btw
10. highlander rule. Two enter one walks out champ. 10a. Mad max rule. Dont lean on the cage. 10b. Interim is just number one contender. The actual champ never lost the belt.
I remember someone from The Ultimate Fighter did the fake glove tap to win his fight to get into the house, he immediately shot for a take down and controlled his opponent the entire round in a two round fight
Yeah, I think a better way to phrase it would be "you MUST cut weight." In reality, you don't; you can choose to come in under weight or close to your walk around weight. But basically no one does.
Yeah, I think it doesn't exist for the vast majority of fighters. If someone is in a high profile promotion making $20,000 just for showing up, he can afford to fight on "with honor." If he's fighting for Uncle Bubba's Barnyard Brawls and that $300 win bonus is his grocery money, he's taking the easy win 9 times out of 10.
I can't believe I lived to see the day. Number 10. I thought I was the only one that noticed this, lol. So glad to see a video put a spotlight on how decisions actually work in title fights. Every single time I see a title fight that is SUPER close and goes to decision....I just auto assume the champ will get it because I've never once seen a title change hands over to someone who just barely eeked out a decision.
its probably happened a few times but yes usually the champ will keep the belt when that happens......i argued with some people over that and they sent me some fight results where it didn't happen that way...i don't remember the fights but once in awhile it will happen............
Yeah, Ortiz got what he deserved. I'm not saying Floyd's a saint, but anybody who's seen those repeated headbutts probably wouldn't have too big a problem with what Floyd gave him back. It was obvious, Victor was busting up his mouth with them, and the ref wasn't doing enough about it. I don't blame Floyd at all for that one.
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I’ve heard that another rule is when you lock in a submission, you wait a second or two before you really cinch it in to give your opponent a chance to tap out. It’s essentially a way to tell your opponent “You’d better tap now or I’m gonna do some real damage.”
No one is giving their opponent time to slip out of a submission, if they have it, they’re cranking down as hard as they can instantly to win, they’re extremely hard to pull off, no one is taking that chance.
It's generally true even for competition, but it's more you pull a 9/10 rather than a 10/10 for 1 second before you go 10/10. Also depends a bit on the submission - If it's a tight Kimura you have the space to give you opponent a chance to tap, while with most armbars you would want to put on the pressure right away.
Depends on the type of submission and it depends on how much you want the finish. If you’re confident you’ll get an RNC, you’ll grind out an RNC. If you’re ripping a heel hook though, you want to rip it because you don’t want them to defend quickly enough. This rule is really only in training.
@@jaredchampagne2752 I’ve seen many people do the exact opposite of what you said and I’ve watched only a couple fights I’m sure it’s way more common then you are implying
About rule 9 - I think injuries by the losing fighter are seen as an excuse because if they knew they had an injury, they could pull out or bring it up before the fight.
The first rule is literally why Dom Reyes didn't get the W against Jones. He factually won 3 rounds- yet lost the two championship rounds and there you go.
I'll explain nr 10: If a championship fight ends with a draw then champion keeps the belt, right? Therefore, the challenger should have more sense of urgency since first minute of a round. There is no way a challenger should win a close decision while avoiding engagement and counter striking. If a draw is more favourable to the champion, the challenger just has to do tiny bit more.
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The problem with the excuses one is that it's gone so far that people will tell fighters to shut up and take the loss like a man if they try to suggest that their performance in the fight may have been negatively impacted by the unexpected loss of feeling of everything below their necks
7:43 is it just me or does anyone else think Cain should've been the one to move down to LHW (first at least) 🤔 feel like his cut would've been easier than DC's
Someone made the greatest point about Sterling!! At what point is it up to the fighter (who might be concussed) to decide if they are capable of continuing to fight. Reminding you of a drunk driver
“To be the champ you gotta beat the champ” implies heavily that the champion of the division needs an automatic handicap which is just plain insulting, that’s supposed to be the best of their division
If anything it should be the other way around. The champion should be held to a higher standard to see if they really are the best in the division. If not, the benefit of the doubt goes to the challenger.
Barrington Patterson (who fought Bisping in kickboxing) used to do the fake glove touch a lot and then low kick the guy. He's get booed and he liked that, liked playing the heel role.
@@yallTweakin He's in this video. It's just one of those things you bring up when talking MMA whether the person is fighting or not, when you talk about great wrestling you bring up Khabib, when you talk about striking you bring up Silva, when you talk about cheating you bring up Jon Jones.
Sterling got destroyed by the knee that was thrown. And told the doctor he was fine 3 times but the doc said no. Then even threw the belt dana gave to him on the floor. (He also beat him just recently when they fought again)
@@Xjebin the point of this comment was that he did the opposite of that. He did say he was the champ but then remarked with he doesn't feel like it. Afterwards however he then beat the shit out of him, is when he had the right to brag about being the champ, he did so.
Yea but if we ever found out where Kevin Lee fits in, we would have all the answers to life and the universe. Then life would be boring, no more challenges. Some things are better left unanswered.
@@markzuckergecko621 You are right. It all lies within the holes he knows of. If those holes are ever located things will never be the same again an I bet you Kevin Lee fits right into them holes just like a puzzle piece finally coming together an there will be not a single question left unanswered. The skies will part and all the knowledge of every single thing will rush into our consciousness and we will finally know it all therefore we can finally transcend beyond our earthly bodies into one being as a whole an that would get pretty fuggin boring pretty fuggin fast. Faster than Aljo ruining his entire legacy with his horrible acting/decisions.
@@JAKESMMATAKES maybe we'll find out when we die, that's what "the pearly gates" are that you've heard of in all the metaphors. That's God telling you where Kevin Lee fits into all of this, and you'll have a blissful epiphany of absolute knowledge.
@@markzuckergecko621 I think the real truth is when we die an reach them gates it will be Kevin Lee that greets us an that's when we will discover HE IS God. Just a gut feeling I have.
Love this channel but if each round is scored differently and it doesn’t matter about champ status… Holloway would have regained his title against Volkanovski in their second bout as he won the first 3 rounds easily
I love your videos but I think you were a bit off base with the first rule . The “Beat the champ to beat the champ” philosophy is actually enacted in the rules . If two fighters draw , the champion keeps his belt and is counted as a successful title defense . So the beat the champ to be the champ philosophy is already evident in the ruleset
But he’s not referring to the rule when there’s a draw. He’s saying that the rule doesn’t make sense for any other situation that isn’t a knockout. So for example, it’s not fair to apply this rule when it’s the challenger who wins by a split decision. A win is a win basically
@@d.6786 He doesn't even understand the rule dude,it's only meant to be used when the fight is too close to decide on a clear winner,in that situation of course the champ gotta keep the belt,the challenger gotta go there and WIN that belt,not rely on narrow split decisions to get it...
That's actually a brilliant observation, I've never noticed that. you can't spell Michael without chael. But you actually can, another variation of the spelling would be: Micheal.
Floyd was totally justified in that "cheap shot" against Ortiz. Ortiz was actually suspended after that fight for all his blatant head butting. One wrong doesn't make a right, but 2 or 3 headbutts can all but guarantee Floyd Mayweather is gonna end the entertainment early
People always forget that part. Floyd was headbutted multiple times. Then after that he already forgave Ortiz and gestured to put his hands up so the fight could continue. Ortiz kept apologizing and trying to hug him. Mayweather just decided to end it.
#10 is simple, if you say "I can beat you", the burden of proof is on you. As the challenger, you must definitively prove your claim. That's why the rule exists.
I have to say Floyd dropping Ortiz in that instance was 100% justified. Ortiz had been headbutting and elbowing him that whole fight with the ref not interfering and once he finally got warned he wants to go in for a hug? FLoyd had every right to end that fight right then and there.
Yeah it was justified no real ones hold that against Floyd, I remember watching it living and thinking it was dirty but I’ve changed my mind 100. The Larry incident after is just the most epic ever
@@taylorgordon2696 the funny thing about the Larry Merchant incident is even if he's younger than what he said he doesn't have a chance against Floyd..
Of course it's Floyd. People spare him on every wrong doings he did. He has a 5 battery charges against women and all his fans did was to give an excuse for him xD. He's a racist as well and his fans tend to ignore that. Even Floyd hit old man Larry on that night his fans will find a way to give him an excuse.
@@eetfuk3571 I'm not excusing any of that but as far as the sportsmanship argument goes, it's really dumb to bring up a moment in a fight where Floyd threw 0 fouls and Ortiz was fouling from the very beginning of the match. it just betrays igorance on the part of the person making the argument.
An hour after seeing this video, I just knew that a boxing amateur promotion of my city just officialised 2 guys from the gym I train and make them fight against each other... And it blew my mind!!
You literally have to beat the champ in order to win. You literally have to beat a Challenger in order to win. IF you are theoretically beaten in a fight are you not the winner?
I guess by "beat" they mean by finish or domination across 5 rounds, but winning a close fight is still beating the champ, no matter what mental gymnastics fans try to pull off.
Split decisions (or god forbid, doctor stoppages) in championship bouts usually have fans and fighters screaming to run it back on the grounds that it doesn't "really" count.
The beat the champ thing is not about the win loss decision. It’s the challenger understanding the perspective that if the fight is close they will loose. So they need too put the fight in a place where they definitely won convincingly, this is because if you believe you just won the fight, then, you even if correct we’re only a very small percentage away from loosing in your own opinion. That is not a good mindset to hold yourself too.
Dana- "we broke EVERY RECORD tonight, we're trending, this thing was massive"
*doesn't release the stats*
"Yes! One Hundred Percent!"
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🤣 good one
Doesn't release stats, pays fighters in gift cards
1. Conor McGregor will always be next in line for a title shot.
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#3 no mustache full beard automatically improves wrestling by 30%
4. If conor wins he is #1 p4p
@-.- You never know *Always is roided up
@-.- You never know ** Chael Sonnen
3:29 "But if that is the case, then they are certainly not openly discussing it "
Derrick Lewis literally said on JRE that he kicked a guy in the nuts, because he knew he would only get a warning, but would get a break to breath and calm down.
i think he was joking
They did get a few examples wrong in the video though
First eye poke and nut shot are free, it is well known
@George Washington what the fuck are you on about
Eye pokes are a legit tactic to win in big camps. They'll never admit it but it absolutely does happen on purpose.
I think the whole "beat the champ" thing has a lot do with the atrocious judging that occurs in mma. Losing the belt because the judges have a minimal grasp of the fight they just witnessed is nonsense. It's also pushback against the strategy of round-stealing (going hard in the last minute because that's what the judges will actually remember). Also, fans don't tend to feel this way over lopsided fights, only the close ones
It also makes for boring fights. If a champ knows he did enough to win at least 3 rounds he will most likely coast the rest of the way and play it safe. I think JJ perfected this type of strategy and it almost blew up vs Dom
'Beat the champ' mentality is part of why judging is so atrocious. If you were going to have an unwritten rule that benefited anybody (and you shouldn't), it'd be the challenger. It makes more sense to hold the champion to a higher standard.
It's a hold over from boxing, I believe from before judging was a thing. It's to do with 'to be the man, you gotta beat the man'.
@@michaelthomas8147 they should judge differently altogether. This sport is supposed to be a fight to see who is better, as close to real life as we can get with sports. This should not be judged like boxing or karate because the fight is more than just who landed more or was able to secure a take down without doing any damage just to stall or get last second points to steal a round
@@Suhmstank no it’s mixed martial arts. Go outside for a street fight
I was hoping after the "missing weight" rule, you would include "even if your opponent misses weight, you still fight." Its not often that when someone misses weight that the other person doesn't agree to the fight, even though they are allowed to. I don't remember who it was, but i remember someone did not agree to the fight after their opponent missed weight, and the UFC cut her
yep....purse penalty and you lose a title shot if you're the challenger...but the fight almost always happens anyway.
Leslie smith, yup
@@brettmccant4749 thank you. That was bugging me.
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It's usually worth it though because if you win it counts and if you lose it doesn't.
"Im not making any excuses BUT, I tore my ACL, mcl, broke my back, my wife left me, I got Covid, 2 weeks out from the fight, but hey, no excuses"
I'd say those count. But knowing the nature of UFC, where something is always at stake, and your best bet is to fight even if both your arms and legs are cut off or else, I don't mind the excuses as much as others do.
If it's true it's true though.
Thpinal?
I mean, it's not an excuse if we can all agree it's valid.
@@Magucci13Uh. Yes, it is. That’s what the hell an excuse is
I knew the glove touch thing would be number 1. It’s a show of respect, to just attack right then when someone is giving you respect is just a douche move.
I had forgotten about Mayweather's bitch move.
@@THEjoelivingstone victor ortiz was getting worked and out of frustration threw a jumping head-butt at Mayweather...why should floyd reciprocate when the ref called fight?
it was bad faith to even use this as an example
@@ddp5406 plus he wanted to hug like, multiple times lmao. One time, sure. But that L is only his to hold
Fighters touch gloves before the ref says "fight." Touching gloves after needs to be done away with entirely.
@@js1741 I understand that sentiment. But if someone is showing respect, it’s not cool to hit em. I competed in BJJ at high levels, we’d just slap fives to show respect, one dude decided not to do it and he shot in. I made him tap, it was an RNC and I cranked his neck for disrespecting me.
The "no fighting teammates" rule has one major caveat: it can be acceptable if your teammate asks you to be a short-notice opponent for their fight (or risks the fight being cancelled), since in that case you are helping your teammate.
In which case… *What are THE BEST FRIENDS FIGHTING FRIENDS / TEAMMATES in MMA history* ❓
Like not holding back just because they watched your dog when you were out of town sentimentality.
I've seen a case where both guys pretended to be beefing, got Dana all worried and then they hugged a few seconds later XD one of my favourite moments, great when pals in the Octagon can compete against each other.
@@TheDanzomanzo I don't think Jon Jones and Anthony Johnson were teammates.
The reason they did it was to prank Dana White after the staredown incident between Jon Jones and Daniel Cormier.
@@barakoxman4951 Ah thanks :)
With the understanding that the teammate shit ends when the cage door closes.
It's crazy to think about the sport evolving where everyone commits at least one "free foul" per fight, because that's just what you do, as part of the strategy. That's probably going to happen, it does in every other sport. Balls and strikes in baseball were put into the rules way back in the day because pitchers would throw "bad balls" on purpose just to make the batter impatient and start swinging at bullshit, so they put a limit on the amount of "bad balls" a pitcher could throw in an at bat, that's why we have balls and strikes now, and the batter gets a walk after 4 balls. So obviously it's not advantageous for a pitcher to throw balls, but they still do, often on purpose. It's just smart baseball, you don't want to throw too many strikes because that gives the batter too many opportunities. A smart pitcher will throw at least 1 out of the strike zone on purpose in almost every at bat, it's just what you do. I suspect we'll see the same thing with eye pokes or fence grabs in the MMA future.
It’s also unfortunate because the first Aljo vs Yan fight showed sometimes fans will support an illegal act by a fighter.
Thanks for this piece of knowledge.
@@CJ-rc5ru I can't speak for everyone, but what I've seen is people mostly just saying Aljo played it up to get a win by default. And I agree with that, I think he could have continued if he really wanted to, but he was under no obligation to, Petr broke the rules, period, end of story. Aljo just didn't help his own popularity with his behavior leading up to that and after.
It would be dumb to deliberately foul your opponent because it's so easy to accidentally do it (eye pokes and groin strikes) so you wouldn't "get your free foul" in on purpose for fear of accidentally fouling again and losing a point
@@smith9157 not in all cases though, in desperation like you just really need a break to recover, or maybe late in a close fight and you haven't had an "accidental foul" yet. Similar to how basketball teams will use fouls on purpose late in the game just to stall for time.
Side note: Michael Chiesa asking for someone to get between him and Kevin lee before then waiting and ‘attacking’ him was hilarious.
Momma's boy energy
About that wightcut issue: Those fighters have months of training camp. The reason why some don't make the weightcut is because they try to get away with cutting lots of weight at the last second instead of gradually lowering weight during training camp. That practise also got several fighters into health troubles and cost them and us as fans good fights. So it really needs to go away.
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Top 10 fighters who are too tough for their own good
Nick and nate top two ! 😂😂
Green haird goof who fought Sean O’Malley
Anthony Smith
Tony F
Michael bisping
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Anthony Smith
Tony Ferguson
Michael chandler
Junior dos Santos
Colby Covington (this man fought through a broken jaw for 4 rounds shush)
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The unwritten rule of after suffering a major foul and you’re losing you must continue is so freaking stupid. Just take Aljo for example. Taking a direct knee to the temple, the man got concussed. And people expect him to literally risk his life for a guy who illegally hurt him. Taking more damage while concussed takes years off your life man, it ain’t worth it.
If a fighter doesn't want to lose off a foul, they shouldn't foul. The person on the receiving end should take the W every time. There's no obligation to enable someone who cheats against you.
Same with Smith dude should have taken the DQ or if he didn’t I certainly wouldn’t have given him shit.
I can understand why some fans can think the win is somewhat unearned, but yeah, the blame is almost always on the wrong foot. It is very hard to tell how injured someone is just from video as well, someone might seem mostly fine and might seem like they are milking it, but everyone will react to things slightly differently especially when dealing with adrenaline as well so trying to call it just from what you see then and there has the chance to deal major additional damage
People only agree with the "you have to BEAT the champ" rule when it suits them, I've never seen it brought up by someone who didnt want the champ to win
Exactly, look at Holloway & volk for example
@@jawwilson5864 I'd say Gane vs Ngannou is a better example, when you look at the official stats and read the rules on how judges have to score fights Gane won that fight. But oh because you have to "BEAT the champ" everyone says he lost
@@samH1305 Ngannou won the fight though. Even Gane himself understood that.
@@madgavin7568 well not really, if you look at the official scoring criteria of MMA, Gane won
@@samH1305 I'm late with one month but what is this criteria? Francis won the last 3 rounds with his wrestling - end of the story. If the rounds were close you're sure there would've been people saying that it was robbery and yada yada. But there weren't such opinions because Francis won the fight fair and square.
The "don't make excuses" is also an unwritten rule for professional track athletes. To me there is a difference between an excuse and a reason, but a lot of people don't feel that way.
There are a plethora of legitimate reasons why a pro athlete wouldn't perform well on a given day and it shouldn't be looked down on to simply give a reason. It can go too far with nonsense but someone breaking an arm shortly before the fight is a legit reason for not being your A game even with top medical professionals.
1. Chael sonnen is the undisputed champion of the world.
Against his wife
Nah, this rule is has been documented extensively, not rly unwritten ya know
Never lost a round
*undisputed and undefeated
@@trinidaddy XD
I truly feel these judges need to go through a 2 to 3 month crash course on how to identify certain factors that present themselves and how to understand offensive and defensive grappling as well as positioning. The rules should be clarified and definitely rewritten to help weed out the vague rules.
Naw too much work to those lazy assholes who already benefit off the structure the truth what has been holding back all combat sports is lack of legitimate legislative regulations as well as penalies, audits, and sever financial punishment for failure to uphold standards and even then its not like these high price corrupt people cant pay to have eyes look the other way. Theres been hundreds of fights were certain fighters were medically or officially cleared to fight and all they have to do is go to another state or country and they can fight again. Same for judges.
Yes and they should have to answer questions after the fights.
Also sack incompetent and possibly corrupt judges as well. Sal D'Amato, Chris Lee, Derek Clearly and Adelaide Byrd have all got to go.
@@madgavin7568 Adelaide byrd has some serious explaining to do
So you want the judges to all give the exact same score and think the same about every fight? Might as well just have 1 judge, and train him extensively.
Anyways its best to have it the way it is to narrow the two extremes…
#10 is an un-written rule Jon Jones has relied on for many of his 'undefeated' fights. It needs to go.
The only ones I’d say that Jones gotten away with in terms of that was the Reyes fight and the first Gustafson fight and maybe the Thiago fight (I had him winning that). That’s about it wouldn’t exactly say many
*Adesanya
@@o-m2094 adesanya has had 2 close fights during his reign the vettori fight was far from close
@@skengdo73 yeah I know it’s a reference cause Adesanya is the one that says you gotta beat him decisively to get the belt.
@@o-m2094 Yeah. He does it too, if we're being fair.
I completely agree with you on the whole "you have to beat the champ" thing. Otherwise, the champ doesn't have to defend their belt by winning. They just have to not lose
In a sport where there is no tie he has to win…
If anything the rule should be reversed, where the champion has to defeat the challenger. To prove that they're the best in the division they need to be held to a higher standard then their peers.
@@derultnerlp9319 there are draws in mma. If that's the case, run it back. That's what typically happens anyway
@@derultnerlp9319 ummm what? Lmaooo there’s literally draws in MMA…. And if you the champ and it ends in a draw you get to keep the belt. Tf are you even talking about? 😂
@@abelavich7914 how can there be a draw? Can you name a mma fight that i can watch that ended in a draw?
So I’m a huge MMA fan, but I was paralyzed at 21 so obviously cannot grapple. I’d love a top 10 spinal cord injury, spinal cord frightening moments like Rose being slammed on her head. Bring awareness as much as possible. Love the channel 😁
That time Tank Abbott nailed that dude with a totally necessary hammer fist when he was already out cold, and he did the Heisman Trophy pose with his arm sticking straight out and his legs were twitching. Holy balls. I remember there being an urban legend that the dude died or was actually paralyzed, and it was totally believable.
@@markzuckergecko621 oh i remember that, poor Steve Nelmark man.
@@azrael557 I think John Matua was the name of the guy I'm talking about, he was wearing a black t-shirt and karate pants. Lol. He had no business in the UFC, and unfortunately learned the hard way. (Yes I've seen that fight a hundred times, it's on Ultimate Knockouts 1, I have it on DVD bc I'm old school like that.) Tank had a lot of brutal KOs though, are you talking about the guy he smashed with a hook from the clinch, up against the cage, and the guy folded up like a lawn chair? Haha. I can't remember that guy's name. That one was terrifying too though.
I also have an SCI and those moments make me cringe so hard and wonder how one hasn't occurred yet 😂😅
Yeah I’d love to see people get paralyzed
Love how he showed O’Malley when he had the one about excuses
I think I actually agree with all of these unwritten rules... Even the contradictory ones like "No excuses." and "Dont pull out of a fight." A paradox... but still, I agree with them.
Love the trick shot off the ladder at 13:54, another reason to love MMA on Point
The "I'm not making an excuse but" is the mma equivalent of going "No offense" and the proceeding to offend everyone
In my last amateur fight my opponent hit me off the glove touch. I was so mad too because the ref had said in the pre-fight meeting that he would take a point if you did (Rules are different for amateurs in my state) but he didn't have a chance to do anything because I grabbed him and Guillotined him immediately after. The official time was 28 seconds into the first round. Never punch off the glove touch, Karma will get you.
Congrats on your win
...considering you are still thinking about it i dont think this is the 'point' you think it is. Pretty sure the lesson is 'be more aware of guillotine attempts' for that fighter and they probably accepted it and moved on, you still have it taking up real estate in your head...
"Sometimes several fouls go unpunished" the best example of that isn't Germain vs Holms, it's Conor vs Khabib. Someone counted like 10 fouls in that fight happening in front of Herb Dean and he didn't do anything about it.
I’m pretty sure he’s talking about actual shots that matter, Holmes was rocked twice after the bell. The Conor and kabib thing was shorts grabbing and gate grabbing, while we do want the ref to call those who tf cares about that when we’re comparing it to someone taking power shots to the head with no defense
@@abelavich7914 Conor did hit Khabib with an illegal knee right to the head while he was controlled down. But yes, I do get your point. Holms vs Germaine did impact the whole fight
De Randamie fouling Holm to win the featherweight title and then ducking Cyborg until she got stripped of the title really helped her top my least favorite fighter list.
Jesus. Almost four years later and people are still bringing up Khabib vs Conor. There was maybe two fouls in that fight and neither did any damage. Conor got mauled for four rounds. End of discussion. Grow up and ditch the Conor hate, kid. We in 2022.
@@jtdarelli1871 No hate. Only stating what he did which isn't really talked about a lot. Kneeing khabib when he was controlling him, glove grabbing, cage grabbing, grabbing the cage with his toes, hitting on the back of the head. All of these were ignored while the ref just watched. And what's wrong with talking about Khabib vs Conor? Why is it irking you so much? It will be talked about forever because of how significant that fight was. You want to ignore, just ignore. You can't stop people from talking about it.
"Ric Flair said it, so it must be true" 😂
A universally recognized rule.
Every time i hear tommy's voice im happy
I hope you never stop using Conor's "My foot was a balloon!" clip, it makes me laugh every time 😂
The 'beat the champ' rule in my opinion is a lot less unfair than in boxing where the title holder often has a mandatory rematch clause...so effectively you need to beat them twice to get the title
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Best idea
"Beat the champ", in my in my interpretation means to dominate the champ definitively in every round or finish. There can be no question who won. Judging, regardless of knowledge/skill set/training, is subjective. Every judge sees it differently. 3 judges, 3 potentially entirely different perceptions of the same sequence of events in a 10 sec span let alone a 5 min rounds and 1 min intervals. Not to mention they sit apart so as not to influence each other, so that also creates different angles. The same punch might appear to hit/glance/miss depending on the judges position cage side. Regardless of your thoughts on judging as a whole if you don't finish the champ. You better dominate the champ every single moment of that fight so there can be absolutely no question who won.
IDK, MMA on point just makes me happy. Been binge watching all the episodes. Hope y'all notice 👌🏼👌🏼
Everyone is cool except the guy with the accent. I can never get through his vids.
This is sad
@@ajinsato9389 through*
@@ajinsato9389 “the guy with the accent” so literally everyone
@@celtic69 Not everyone. The guy with the British accent.
Big props to him for not taking the DQ victory but at the same time, JON JOOONES knows the rules. It would even be good justice for him to have the belt taken. It was no accident. And in this one on one combat sport the impacts of injury and cheating are more than in any other sport. Due to injury potential and how due to the one on one nature it may really change the course of things. And feeling pressured with behaving honorably allows cheaters to get through to you and hold you back while they keep reaping the glory.
My dad was a fighter, even knocked out a fighter back in old days when that said champ needed sparring partners. But my dad always said... (when it comes to doing illegal shit in the fight) "keep doing what you're doing until the ref gives you the last warning"... my dad isn't a good person btw
This was well done! Thank you for your content brother! The voice lines and add ins were awesome!
10. highlander rule. Two enter one walks out champ.
10a. Mad max rule. Dont lean on the cage.
10b. Interim is just number one contender. The actual champ never lost the belt.
Bro shut up lol
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Despite what people think about mma we are a loving community❤️❤️ love you to brother
*Yoel Romero voice* "I love you!"
"What's to stop a fighter from, "accidentally"..." according to how many eye pokes Jones does every fight, nothing.
Love where you show pictures of similar scenarios of fighters it's happened to
A great unwritten truth, is straight punches beat looping punches.
Every time.
girl in bed: say it!
guy: straight punches beat looping punches baby!
That's not even unwritten dude that's been known and understood in boxing for 200+ years haha
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Caution!
Rule does not apply to Bloodthirsty maniacs with well warmed up Wrists that love stomping people into the canvas.
I remember someone from The Ultimate Fighter did the fake glove tap to win his fight to get into the house, he immediately shot for a take down and controlled his opponent the entire round in a two round fight
What season
@@romeox9003 I honestly can't remember, I was hoping someone would comment and remember but I do recall it being a talking point in the show
#2 is literally a written rule though. You’re contractually obligated to make weight.
Clearly some rules don’t hold their weight- no pun intended
So not a rule then
Yeah, I think a better way to phrase it would be "you MUST cut weight." In reality, you don't; you can choose to come in under weight or close to your walk around weight. But basically no one does.
@@Tenchigumi agreed
@George Washington from the greatest liar that ever god damned lived.
“I sneezed this morning...”
So?
“Three times!”
Oh shit... Well in that case.
the rule of not taking a dq doesnt exist to everyone, completely fair to win via dq after egregious fouls especially when half your pay is win bonus
Not to mention fighting in an injured state could literally have your career ruined or possibly life.
Yeah, I think it doesn't exist for the vast majority of fighters. If someone is in a high profile promotion making $20,000 just for showing up, he can afford to fight on "with honor." If he's fighting for Uncle Bubba's Barnyard Brawls and that $300 win bonus is his grocery money, he's taking the easy win 9 times out of 10.
I can't believe I lived to see the day. Number 10. I thought I was the only one that noticed this, lol. So glad to see a video put a spotlight on how decisions actually work in title fights. Every single time I see a title fight that is SUPER close and goes to decision....I just auto assume the champ will get it because I've never once seen a title change hands over to someone who just barely eeked out a decision.
its probably happened a few times but yes usually the champ will keep the belt when that happens......i argued with some people over that and they sent me some fight results where it didn't happen that way...i don't remember the fights but once in awhile it will happen............
Did anyone else catch how Burns straight up threw an illegal soccer kick while Chimaev was getting up and almost dam near caught him with it??
Yea lol Burns was HEATED
Another Banger MMA On Point video. I haven't even watched it.
Floyd was actually in the right during that infamous “foul” against ortiz
Who do u think u are Dude?? I Hunt grown Men and hold them down and give them respectful kisses on their bellies
Details?
@@kkb892 Ortiz had fouled him several times, including a jumping headbutt.
Yeah, Ortiz got what he deserved. I'm not saying Floyd's a saint, but anybody who's seen those repeated headbutts probably wouldn't have too big a problem with what Floyd gave him back. It was obvious, Victor was busting up his mouth with them, and the ref wasn't doing enough about it. I don't blame Floyd at all for that one.
@@reedkellner6447 Hey fellas let’s all be honest here because I won’t lie I want to be inside of Luque and I will have that handsome man I shall hunt him and bed him
I like it when fights are decided by close decisions because then you get a second fight and it builds up
I’ve heard that another rule is when you lock in a submission, you wait a second or two before you really cinch it in to give your opponent a chance to tap out. It’s essentially a way to tell your opponent “You’d better tap now or I’m gonna do some real damage.”
In fights they don’t do that. In training they do
No one is giving their opponent time to slip out of a submission, if they have it, they’re cranking down as hard as they can instantly to win, they’re extremely hard to pull off, no one is taking that chance.
It's generally true even for competition, but it's more you pull a 9/10 rather than a 10/10 for 1 second before you go 10/10. Also depends a bit on the submission - If it's a tight Kimura you have the space to give you opponent a chance to tap, while with most armbars you would want to put on the pressure right away.
Depends on the type of submission and it depends on how much you want the finish. If you’re confident you’ll get an RNC, you’ll grind out an RNC. If you’re ripping a heel hook though, you want to rip it because you don’t want them to defend quickly enough. This rule is really only in training.
@@jaredchampagne2752 I’ve seen many people do the exact opposite of what you said and I’ve watched only a couple fights I’m sure it’s way more common then you are implying
About rule 9 - I think injuries by the losing fighter are seen as an excuse because if they knew they had an injury, they could pull out or bring it up before the fight.
The first rule is literally why Dom Reyes didn't get the W against Jones. He factually won 3 rounds- yet lost the two championship rounds and there you go.
Except the only judge that scored it for jones had it 49-46 🤔
@@xavierroper745 It was a unanimous decision to Jones.
@@bena3341 except only one judge had it for jones wtf did you even read my comment
@@xavierroper745 Probably had money on Jones.
@@RagingCookie127 judges can't bet
Its always cool seeing fighters giving their opponent time if they think they poked them etc without the ref seeing it or adjusting their wardrobe
11- All wmma decisions go to the hotter fighter
Cris Cyborg had four matches go to decision and won all of them.
Cris Cyborg had four matches go to decision and won all of them.
I'll explain nr 10:
If a championship fight ends with a draw then champion keeps the belt, right?
Therefore, the challenger should have more sense of urgency since first minute of a round.
There is no way a challenger should win a close decision while avoiding engagement and counter striking.
If a draw is more favourable to the champion, the challenger just has to do tiny bit more.
Been watching this channel since they were at 100k, man it’s been a long ass time following these guys, all the different content, the growth, the steady pace of videos, I love you guys and I hope you reach 1 million subscribers soon
The problem with the excuses one is that it's gone so far that people will tell fighters to shut up and take the loss like a man if they try to suggest that their performance in the fight may have been negatively impacted by the unexpected loss of feeling of everything below their necks
7:43 is it just me or does anyone else think Cain should've been the one to move down to LHW (first at least) 🤔 feel like his cut would've been easier than DC's
He was HW champion, if dc had become champion first then maybe he would have.
never thought id see an mw2 killcam on mma on point big ups to the editor
#1 is Tony Ferguson is that type of guy.
This is your best top 10 list. By number 8 I was thinking "already here? What else?" Lol
Thanks TTH and On Point.
Not making any excuses, but they poisoned my IV.
I’m not making any excuses, but I had a crack skull.
Not making any excuses but I was very drunk because I drank wine last night
@@champ1159 i’m not gonna make any excuses, but I took in intimidated dick pill.
Someone made the greatest point about Sterling!!
At what point is it up to the fighter (who might be concussed) to decide if they are capable of continuing to fight.
Reminding you of a drunk driver
“To be the champ you gotta beat the champ” implies heavily that the champion of the division needs an automatic handicap which is just plain insulting, that’s supposed to be the best of their division
Well said. They're the champ, if they get out-pointed, even barely, they lost the fight
If anything it should be the other way around. The champion should be held to a higher standard to see if they really are the best in the division. If not, the benefit of the doubt goes to the challenger.
Barrington Patterson (who fought Bisping in kickboxing) used to do the fake glove touch a lot and then low kick the guy. He's get booed and he liked that, liked playing the heel role.
1 free foul? Bones gets free fouls all the time
Man aint fought in years, why cant yall cope with this 😂😂😂
@@yallTweakin He's in this video. It's just one of those things you bring up when talking MMA whether the person is fighting or not, when you talk about great wrestling you bring up Khabib, when you talk about striking you bring up Silva, when you talk about cheating you bring up Jon Jones.
@@RagingCookie127 speak for yourself
@@yallTweakin You asked a question, I answered it. You're welcome.
@@RagingCookie127 fair game 😂
No one should ever talk about someone’s family….. except chael . His liner about titos ex wife was hilarious
Love you guys more than stinky bacon
Since then, Conor pulls out of fight for broken toe 😂
“Dagestan glove touch”
When you fake a glove touch, then shoot on your opponent lol!
The Khamzat special
12:32 Did someone just rush in and grab that mans piece!? 😅👀 bit too quick to rub that better! 😂
Sterling got destroyed by the knee that was thrown. And told the doctor he was fine 3 times but the doc said no. Then even threw the belt dana gave to him on the floor. (He also beat him just recently when they fought again)
Thank you!!!
Yes everyone knows that people don’t like aljo because he was walking around bragging about being champ after he got kneed in the head
@@Xjebin the point of this comment was that he did the opposite of that. He did say he was the champ but then remarked with he doesn't feel like it. Afterwards however he then beat the shit out of him, is when he had the right to brag about being the champ, he did so.
Kudos all the work editing this must have taken
#1 is nobody knows where Kevin Lee fits into all of this or where the holes he see's are located.
Biggest unwritten rule there is in the sport.
Yea but if we ever found out where Kevin Lee fits in, we would have all the answers to life and the universe. Then life would be boring, no more challenges. Some things are better left unanswered.
@@markzuckergecko621 You are right. It all lies within the holes he knows of. If those holes are ever located things will never be the same again an I bet you Kevin Lee fits right into them holes just like a puzzle piece finally coming together an there will be not a single question left unanswered. The skies will part and all the knowledge of every single thing will rush into our consciousness and we will finally know it all therefore we can finally transcend beyond our earthly bodies into one being as a whole an that would get pretty fuggin boring pretty fuggin fast. Faster than Aljo ruining his entire legacy with his horrible acting/decisions.
@@JAKESMMATAKES maybe we'll find out when we die, that's what "the pearly gates" are that you've heard of in all the metaphors. That's God telling you where Kevin Lee fits into all of this, and you'll have a blissful epiphany of absolute knowledge.
@@markzuckergecko621 I think the real truth is when we die an reach them gates it will be Kevin Lee that greets us an that's when we will discover HE IS God. Just a gut feeling I have.
@@JAKESMMATAKES damn. That just hit bro
“I’m not making any excuses, but I didn’t ask to be here, don’t expect me to be happy about doing any human tasks!”
Love this channel but if each round is scored differently and it doesn’t matter about champ status… Holloway would have regained his title against Volkanovski in their second bout as he won the first 3 rounds easily
Right way to start a day👌🏼🔥
I love your videos but I think you were a bit off base with the first rule . The “Beat the champ to beat the champ” philosophy is actually enacted in the rules . If two fighters draw , the champion keeps his belt and is counted as a successful title defense . So the beat the champ to be the champ philosophy is already evident in the ruleset
But he’s not referring to the rule when there’s a draw. He’s saying that the rule doesn’t make sense for any other situation that isn’t a knockout. So for example, it’s not fair to apply this rule when it’s the challenger who wins by a split decision. A win is a win basically
i dont think it counts as a defense. its a draw through n through
@@d.6786 He doesn't even understand the rule dude,it's only meant to be used when the fight is too close to decide on a clear winner,in that situation of course the champ gotta keep the belt,the challenger gotta go there and WIN that belt,not rely on narrow split decisions to get it...
@@gabrielpasqualini8413 ah I see, so a number of liberties were being taken lol
I really want a fighter to say one day, "he went for the fake glove touch, and I countered with my free foul to the nuts."
All I know is you cant spell Michael Chandler without CHAEL CHAEL! Copyright 2020©
That's actually a brilliant observation, I've never noticed that. you can't spell Michael without chael. But you actually can, another variation of the spelling would be: Micheal.
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@@SDCB754 😂😂😂
@@SDCB754 LOL!
“The rule is you don’t make excuses about your fights.” Cuts to Sean O’Malley. 🤣
Floyd had every right to hit Ortiz, Ortiz head butted him
Khamzat violated the fake glove touch lmao
Making weight isn’t an unwritten rule. It’s like, number 2 of the written rules. 🤣🤣
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the unwritten rule is: DON'T MAKE EXCUSES for missing weight.
You guys are the best make the best videos thank you... comedic gold
Floyd was totally justified in that "cheap shot" against Ortiz. Ortiz was actually suspended after that fight for all his blatant head butting. One wrong doesn't make a right, but 2 or 3 headbutts can all but guarantee Floyd Mayweather is gonna end the entertainment early
People always forget that part. Floyd was headbutted multiple times. Then after that he already forgave Ortiz and gestured to put his hands up so the fight could continue. Ortiz kept apologizing and trying to hug him. Mayweather just decided to end it.
*starts video*...."please be Tommy, please be Tommy"....YES.
#10 is simple, if you say "I can beat you", the burden of proof is on you. As the challenger, you must definitively prove your claim. That's why the rule exists.
Top 10 Life Threatening injuries that happened in the Octagon
1. Don’t ever talk about Michael Chiesa’s mom
Damn, that foreshadowing of Makhachev when the weight cut rule appears... You definitely knew something
Would love to see Conor mc Gregor vs Colby Covington at WW
The chaos at the press conference. Conor would never take that fight Colby would drown him
Fan of both but McGregor would have nothing for him
Top 10 Fighters who received a Belt Promotion after a dominant Performance
I have to say Floyd dropping Ortiz in that instance was 100% justified. Ortiz had been headbutting and elbowing him that whole fight with the ref not interfering and once he finally got warned he wants to go in for a hug? FLoyd had every right to end that fight right then and there.
Yeah it was justified no real ones hold that against Floyd, I remember watching it living and thinking it was dirty but I’ve changed my mind 100. The Larry incident after is just the most epic ever
@@taylorgordon2696 the funny thing about the Larry Merchant incident is even if he's younger than what he said he doesn't have a chance against Floyd..
Of course it's Floyd. People spare him on every wrong doings he did. He has a 5 battery charges against women and all his fans did was to give an excuse for him xD. He's a racist as well and his fans tend to ignore that. Even Floyd hit old man Larry on that night his fans will find a way to give him an excuse.
@@eetfuk3571 I'm not excusing any of that but as far as the sportsmanship argument goes, it's really dumb to bring up a moment in a fight where Floyd threw 0 fouls and Ortiz was fouling from the very beginning of the match. it just betrays igorance on the part of the person making the argument.
@@tanngrisnr5076 see. a mouthful of excuses.
Sterling definitely milked that knee. There’s no doubt about it.
90 percent of eye pokes and nut shots happen in the first round. Trust me it's strategy
An hour after seeing this video, I just knew that a boxing amateur promotion of my city just officialised 2 guys from the gym I train and make them fight against each other... And it blew my mind!!
You literally have to beat the champ in order to win. You literally have to beat a Challenger in order to win. IF you are theoretically beaten in a fight are you not the winner?
I guess by "beat" they mean by finish or domination across 5 rounds, but winning a close fight is still beating the champ, no matter what mental gymnastics fans try to pull off.
Split decisions (or god forbid, doctor stoppages) in championship bouts usually have fans and fighters screaming to run it back on the grounds that it doesn't "really" count.
The beat the champ thing is not about the win loss decision. It’s the challenger understanding the perspective that if the fight is close they will loose. So they need too put the fight in a place where they definitely won convincingly, this is because if you believe you just won the fight, then, you even if correct we’re only a very small percentage away from loosing in your own opinion. That is not a good mindset to hold yourself too.