I'd gladly watch a 30 minute video and see you get further in depth, for what it's worth. I always prefer longer videos with more info, though. Just always feels like a waste to watch a 6 minute video and learn basically nothing, 10 minutes is about the shortest i like. i get that I'm probably an outlier, but I'd love to have seen the version of this video where you go in depth on everything you said would make it too long.
Strategy KB Yeah, exactly. There's a group of channels I like that deal with ARGs/creepypasta and very rarely IRL stuff and one of those channels is very prolific and their videos are 6-7 minutes long. it's unfortunate because it's content i'm interested in, but since other people put out 45 min to 2 hour videos he's just got more stuff out, and it's way lower quality. I'll watch it occasionally but man it's disappointing.
Agreed, and slow down a touch. IMO for the players that need this info the most, they will likely not have the familiarity with the cards your naming to fully understand the context.
I usually leave bad comments, but i really enjoy your content, even if fall out from Hearthstone from time to time, your vida are still súper enjoyable
Hey Penniless. If you wouldn't mind and have the time, do you think you could make a video centered around Token Decks, Illidan Stormrage, and the concepts of these deck and card types?
This is exactly the kind of Hearthstone videos I want to see. Not just "Disguised Kirp-ler's CRAZY Murloc Preist!". I like to see an in-depth discussion about how to understand certain elements of the game.
When it comes to high mana cards. . . I read an article (about a different card game) that pointed out, its better to have 2 or 3 lower mana cost cards that can do the same thing as a high mana card. One reason that might be is card draw. .another is it can be more efficient, keep you using you most or all of your resources every turn. I find there’s some truth in this, but decks based on ‘greed’ do quite well, too. I know when building my own deck, it almost always improves the win rate using lower and lower mana cost cards until I’ve built just one more aggro deck. Good deck builders and good decks pull it off though, using higher mana cards, as witnessed by winning deck deck-lists.
*looks at curve of Odd mage, runs away screaming* I even put in one copy of deck of wonders because previously I frequently drew all high cost spells before dragons breath was drawn. It makes me more secure even though it kind of slows me down
Penniless, nowadays, we're all leaning to the left Top Marx on the video, though. You're really Putin a lot of work into these. Just make sure you're never Stalin these uploads, please....
I encourage those of you who have reasons to dislike videos to continue to do so You are not necessarily trolls and your opinion is valid A dislike does not necessarily mean you hate or wish to deplatform the creator, but that you have a separate, opposing opinion. This should be celebrated and i thank you for being honest. Though trolls do exist, i think it's unfair to claim all dislikers are.
Jeeze Hector, I thought you were better than this. We're on the internet and this is all very simple. Every contrarian is a troll. Now please do your due diligence and conform to the hivemind. Thanks.
Penniless what is your opion on the decreasing value of cards that get rotated out when the year cicles? It makes no sence that wild cards still have their full crafting cost. Overall they only get played in one game mode. (note: not counting the wild tavern brawl event)
There is one offmeta deck that defys all logics of this. Tesspionage Rouge. It can have 30+60+3 cards in their deck, 60 of them cost 1 mana, 3 are elise packs. Sure, needs A LOT OF SYNERGIES and A LOT OF CARD DRAW but still... Also, if you get Bwansomdi with Espionage, Jackpot.
The game needs an R.P.S system to determine who gets to choose who goes first or second rather than rng... I.. I need that coin every round for synergy purposes (sniff)
dear penniless. can you explain to me why 2 dire 1/3 is better than 1 and 1 own generated flame elemental 1/2. Because its true in stats (duh) but the flame elemental generated a card. w elementals will give me two extra cards. dire moles wont. Arent the flame elementals better, especially taking in curve because it guarantees more plays on turn two or three which dire mole doesnt?
Depends, in aggro its better because you want more stats in not aggro fire fly is one of the best cards in the game heck, even in aggro fire fly is still one of the best cards in the game
Hey peniless i have a serious yet weird question : do you loose money if i skip the add parts of the video? I mean nobody likes them but if sitting there for an extra minute earns you money I'll do it.
What do you think about new balance changes? Equality and Hunter’s Mark looks like jump for money printing new expansion cards. Others are good except for Cold Blood. ~Wild player.
secret hunter is not a "real" midrange deck.... real midrange decks in this meta are even paladin and even shaman, even warlock, and death rattle hunter.
@@synchronium24 nope, it has only 1 board clear, it mills itself with tracking, has a bit of removal, but not enough to call it control. control decks are odd warrior, big spell mage, quest priest... i think you can see the clear difference in style of gameplay.
I allways thought that the curve was supposed to be peaking at 1 or 2 mana cards, so less like a curve and more like a diagonal line XD Maybe this is why all my decks suck ass.
But there are 5 deck archetypes not 3. Aggro, Midrange, Control, Tempo, and Combo. A midrange deck and a Tempo deck aren't the same thing. If you look at the curve, Tempo decks are heavily shifted to 0-3 mana cards. Whereas Midrange is more a smooth round hill. If you talk about curve, that's the discussion. Aggro vs Tempo vs Midrange.
Claiming that only trolls and jerks downvote videos is a great way to tell your sincere audience that you don’t take their up or downvotes seriously. You don’t seem like the kind of person who can’t take criticism, so maybe don’t act like you can’t?
Hello from Argentina, good channel. i leave you my appreciations. if you just could talk a little slower the non native English followers could understand better your arguments. Talk slower and with the material of this video you can make 3 9 minutes videos and have more frequent updates in your channel. (i love to speak fast but.... ) think about it
I'd gladly watch a 30 minute video and see you get further in depth, for what it's worth. I always prefer longer videos with more info, though. Just always feels like a waste to watch a 6 minute video and learn basically nothing, 10 minutes is about the shortest i like. i get that I'm probably an outlier, but I'd love to have seen the version of this video where you go in depth on everything you said would make it too long.
Same. If you're not going to get into the nitty-gritty information, then what's the point taking half as much time to tell us things we already know?
I am the same, particularly for analytical videos like this
Strategy KB Yeah, exactly. There's a group of channels I like that deal with ARGs/creepypasta and very rarely IRL stuff and one of those channels is very prolific and their videos are 6-7 minutes long. it's unfortunate because it's content i'm interested in, but since other people put out 45 min to 2 hour videos he's just got more stuff out, and it's way lower quality. I'll watch it occasionally but man it's disappointing.
Agreed, and slow down a touch. IMO for the players that need this info the most, they will likely not have the familiarity with the cards your naming to fully understand the context.
A good curve is differentiable.
calc ftw
Well this video literally just disproved that lmao
@@thevomit5851 You really aren't supposed to integrate that... thing.
I usually leave bad comments, but i really enjoy your content, even if fall out from Hearthstone from time to time, your vida are still súper enjoyable
Screeming thazdingo is just to fun ;)
This explanation is so much easier to understand than anything I found on forums and other channels! Amazing! Many thanks to you, Penniless!
Hey Penniless. If you wouldn't mind and have the time, do you think you could make a video centered around Token Decks, Illidan Stormrage, and the concepts of these deck and card types?
By "Illidan Stormrage" I assume you mean "Violet Teacher".
@@cthulukitty lmao. While I would like for violet to be gone over as well, I would like to hear his thoughts on Illidan
@@SynderFGC Illidan is a bad card. We don't need a video to elucidate that.
Illidan is blind, but not deaf. He can hear what you're talking about him.
Illidan is 7 Mana but promotes playing alot of cards in one turn, not a good combo which is why he is largely unplayed
This is exactly the kind of Hearthstone videos I want to see. Not just "Disguised Kirp-ler's CRAZY Murloc Preist!". I like to see an in-depth discussion about how to understand certain elements of the game.
me when most content creators post a sponsored video: yawn, pass
me when Penniless posts a sponsored video: hell yeah get that paper my dude!
Once again the curse continues, the day after @The Penniless Player posts a video, Blizzard posts a new balance change
2:07 health is also a resource
When it comes to high mana cards. . . I read an article (about a different card game) that pointed out, its better to have 2 or 3 lower mana cost cards that can do the same thing as a high mana card. One reason that might be is card draw. .another is it can be more efficient, keep you using you most or all of your resources every turn. I find there’s some truth in this, but decks based on ‘greed’ do quite well, too. I know when building my own deck, it almost always improves the win rate using lower and lower mana cost cards until I’ve built just one more aggro deck. Good deck builders and good decks pull it off though, using higher mana cards, as witnessed by winning deck deck-lists.
I'm glad there's a youtube channel actually talk about the game in depth. Great video.
13:27 Plot twist: Penniless player isn't without a penny after all
*looks at curve of Odd mage, runs away screaming*
I even put in one copy of deck of wonders because previously I frequently drew all high cost spells before dragons breath was drawn. It makes me more secure even though it kind of slows me down
13:20? MEME? You dare? I every season climb ladder with Reno Hunter. I have 8x Reno Hunters in collection and they work.
Great analysis. Thanks for your hard work!
Please make a podcast I would love to hear more about hearthstone theory
Penniless, nowadays, we're all leaning to the left
Top Marx on the video, though.
You're really Putin a lot of work into these.
Just make sure you're never Stalin these uploads, please....
Our midrange deck is Lenin to the left..
Putin pun doesn't work
Amazing analysis! I will definitely use it the next I'd be building a new deck. Thanks
Other interesting themes could be: keyword abilities, competitive decks, deckbuilding, generated random cards, removals.
Could we get like an hour long video where you go heavily in depth on this stuff? I’d watch it probably once or twice per day honestly
prince 4 was used in miracle rogue as an anti aggro tech in place of sherazin back in frozen throne.
Rogue is unique case because of how tempo centric their cards are and they've rarely had good four drops
The second part matters a lot more than the first. Tempo rogue had no good 4 drops back in KFC.
Hey mechathun Hunter is relavent!
2:06 perfectly balanced as all things should be
Oof... that voice crack though 7:50
Cool video, health is also a resource that should play into your equation.
Most underrated hearthstone channel around
I encourage those of you who have reasons to dislike videos to continue to do so
You are not necessarily trolls and your opinion is valid
A dislike does not necessarily mean you hate or wish to deplatform the creator, but that you have a separate, opposing opinion.
This should be celebrated and i thank you for being honest.
Though trolls do exist, i think it's unfair to claim all dislikers are.
Such a wisdom in not obtainable within human lifespam
I love these videos but that bit almost made me want to dislike the video just because he addressed dislikes in that way.
Almost...
Just because you disagree with someone's opinion doesn't mean you can't like the way they express it.
Jeeze Hector, I thought you were better than this. We're on the internet and this is all very simple. Every contrarian is a troll. Now please do your due diligence and conform to the hivemind. Thanks.
It was clearly a fucking joke
This is a very well done video.
TAZ DINGO YEESSSSSS.
In all seriousness, very good video :).
'if I may be transparent', oh boy I expected your avatar to become see through :D
57 people openly admit to talk in the theater
How dare you insult my Mecha'thun Hunter!
Penniless what is your opion on the decreasing value of cards that get rotated out when the year cicles? It makes no sence that wild cards still have their full crafting cost. Overall they only get played in one game mode. (note: not counting the wild tavern brawl event)
51 theatre talkers confirmed!
Time's up, let's do this
Can you expand on this, and talk about how Arena curves work?
Arena curves are basically midrange curves,with The Difference of thinking how your curves would Look in ~10 picks
Arena has pretty much no removal so the part about no 6+ drops is thrown out the window. Apart from that, fairly similar curve
To midrange that is
I miss this channel :(
Aggro is red as the devil, seems legit
Why does curve, but more importantly, how does curve?
There is one offmeta deck that defys all logics of this. Tesspionage Rouge. It can have 30+60+3 cards in their deck, 60 of them cost 1 mana, 3 are elise packs. Sure, needs A LOT OF SYNERGIES and A LOT OF CARD DRAW but still...
Also, if you get Bwansomdi with Espionage, Jackpot.
It really doesnt. As he said the more of the curve is the more draw you need and you literally need to draw your ENTIRE DECK for tesspionage to work
@@yosh3301 Nah: Elekk, Academic Espionage, Prep. Easy as that. After you got those, let the value overflow.
Hasn't Kel'Thuzad seen play in big priest and similar decks?
Kelthusad isnt always in big priest. It is always in wild control rogue because wild control rogue loves 8 drops
The game needs an R.P.S system to determine who gets to choose who goes first or second rather than rng... I.. I need that coin every round for synergy purposes (sniff)
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"If I may be transparent" forsenCD
I feel expressive
dear penniless. can you explain to me why 2 dire 1/3 is better than 1 and 1 own generated flame elemental 1/2. Because its true in stats (duh) but the flame elemental generated a card. w elementals will give me two extra cards. dire moles wont. Arent the flame elementals better, especially taking in curve because it guarantees more plays on turn two or three which dire mole doesnt?
dire mole is better in aggro because you want to spend cards as fast as possible rather than as efficiently as possible.
Depends, in aggro its better because you want more stats in not aggro fire fly is one of the best cards in the game heck, even in aggro fire fly is still one of the best cards in the game
i wonder what happens to this meta after the year of the mammoth will go away
Secret hunter will still find a way to be high in the meta
Awesome for arena. Should have tried doing the test in arena hahah
1 mana hunter's mark in the video op op
I will talk in the theater if I damn well wish! I mean, I won't bother anyone. Right? ;^)
Hey peniless i have a serious yet weird question : do you loose money if i skip the add parts of the video? I mean nobody likes them but if sitting there for an extra minute earns you money I'll do it.
What do you think about new balance changes? Equality and Hunter’s Mark looks like jump for money printing new expansion cards. Others are good except for Cold Blood.
~Wild player.
what about combo?
Very nice video👍
Good job
Oh, really. You uploaded video just before nerds were realised.
Now you have to make the next one! I hope so.
secret hunter is not a "real" midrange deck.... real midrange decks in this meta are even paladin and even shaman, even warlock, and death rattle hunter.
it's a tempo deck
@@shocknix well duh... nearly all aggro and midrange decks are...
Deathrattle hunter isn't considered control?!?
@@synchronium24 nope, it has only 1 board clear, it mills itself with tracking, has a bit of removal, but not enough to call it control. control decks are odd warrior, big spell mage, quest priest... i think you can see the clear difference in style of gameplay.
And control priest
I allways thought that the curve was supposed to be peaking at 1 or 2 mana cards, so less like a curve and more like a diagonal line XD
Maybe this is why all my decks suck ass.
Pressed dislike because tazdingo is my favorite card.
Wait, do you mean my 29 1 mana cards and Prince Liam is not viable??
Liam players are trump supporters
Your animation style reminds me A LOT of Zero Punctuation, was that intentional?
It is. He said in one video that Zero Punctuation was one of the two main inspirations for his series.
Nappity Oh cool. Thanks for sharing.
I pressed the tastingo button...
Jk love ya penniless
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
you forgot ARENA bro..
Well every hunter gets control hunter when you play DK rexxar. So why even build your curve around it?
But there are 5 deck archetypes not 3. Aggro, Midrange, Control, Tempo, and Combo.
A midrange deck and a Tempo deck aren't the same thing.
If you look at the curve, Tempo decks are heavily shifted to 0-3 mana cards. Whereas Midrange is more a smooth round hill.
If you talk about curve, that's the discussion. Aggro vs Tempo vs Midrange.
11:48 nice voice crack lmao
*comment to show youtube algorithm, I like this guys content*
Claiming that only trolls and jerks downvote videos is a great way to tell your sincere audience that you don’t take their up or downvotes seriously. You don’t seem like the kind of person who can’t take criticism, so maybe don’t act like you can’t?
Don't you dare mocking Control Hunter! Dane's Reno Hunter is actually a viable deck in Wild and I won't let you just call this masterpiece a "meme"!
7:32 dat voice though
I love this
New video woop woop
Oh shit 15 minutes, nice!
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Comments are life
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So here is some love
yah mon curve is good
g e t o u t
The script was hard to draft? Don't you mean hard to arena??
13:22 made me laugh
Everything else?
*GET. OUT.*
GEC OUC
SUP guys
Your reverse psychology worked, I pressed the dislike button :)
I curve a lot 😉 if you know what I mean
go longer :)
wait aggro's a woman
Wait, aggro is a girl?
People who talk in the theatre? Disgusting!
Hello from Argentina, good channel. i leave you my appreciations. if you just could talk a little slower the non native English followers could understand better your arguments. Talk slower and with the material of this video you can make 3 9 minutes videos and have more frequent updates in your channel. (i love to speak fast but.... ) think about it
how to actually master the curve: ignore the curve cause its absolutely meaningless
Sure it is in some decks r 25 idiot
Disliked hihi
I think you understand Hearthstone better than blizzard does. 🤣