Huge Buffs That Did NOTHING.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ต.ค. 2024
- Over the 10 years of Hearthstone they've buffed a shocking amount of cards. Today, we're taking a look at some that received EXTREME buffs, but still don't see relevant play in any decks.
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Some common FAQ:
1. X Y or Z was good in Arena. I bet it was! Card changes whether they be buffs, nerfs or reworks aren't made with Arena in mind. I also did not discuss them with Arena in mind. 😂
2. I'm sorry I physically hurt so many of you with my pronunciation of Addled Grizzly 😭
3. "Relevant play" for this video was determined by the card being in a top meta deck, those of which you'd typically see on a meta report, for more than a small enough time to no longer be dismissed as experimentation. I'm sure you could hit legend with decks built around any of these cards. 😅
Does this not include wild? Warhorse Trainer saw lots of play on wild BEFORE AND AFTER the buff
@@mkr4646 odd paladin hasnt been relevant in a bajillion years, but youd always play warhorse if it did
@JordanMG but it was relevant for a solid 2-3 months after that buff...
The worgen greaser joke buff actually affected the game negatively since there's a board clear dr boom adventure puzzle that was intended to be solved with 6/4 greaser, now the 6/5 greaser remains alive with 1 hp and the puzzle is unsolveable
How is that bad though? Greaser is king, and does not deserve to die.
i thought they patched the boomlabs puzzles?
Unrelated but I really like your profile pic.
I'm glad there are still fans of Brütal Legend ! That game was my childhood man
I think i dit it with the change this week. idk how i did it but i did
Don't forget the core set Mech nerf
Where it costs 4 instead of 2 now, making it impossible to play and clear the board too
the Anub'Arak-Umbra interaction is so funny, in magic it'd just be an outright infinite due to the unlimited board space.
actually, it gets better and funnier because by itself, it would end up as a game draw as you can't stop it
Wait, _unlimited_ board space?😨
@@robertlupa8273 yeah Magic has unlimited boardspace you can have 20 or 30 creatures on Board and it still couldnt BE enough depending on the opponents boardstate (or even detrimental If your opponents taxes you in some Form)
@@robertlupa8273Yup! Technically the newer digital client has a token limit of around 250~ or so? But that only counts tokens and doesn’t care about anything else. If you could somehow generate 32 thousand non-token permanents, you’d just be allowed to have those(assuming the client didn’t crash).
And of course in paper, you don’t have to worry about the client crashing or token limits, so anything goes. Have a creature that made a copy of itself whenever you play a land (Magic’s version of a mana crystal), including the ability to copy itself, and then manage to throw… let’s say… 12 lands on the battlefield? 2,176,782,336 creatures. None of which can attack, and are easily answered with a 4 cost board wipe.
@@robertlupa8273 Yeah spawning 2 million tokens with charge and beating face is a legit win con (Kiki Jiki/Felidar) but it's like ten years old and not even that good anymore
Flame Leviathan would be really hype with tradable
Oh my
Draw entire deck.
Trade everytime after that.
???
Profit.
@@hngtuong you can't trade into an empty deck
Tradeable, dealing 2 damage to all enemies with rush. Would be strong
@@mangouschase I could see some bullshit way of getting to the point where you could have it and another trade card as your only remaining in deck, and just looping it. It’s not even a good win con combo, but it would be hilarious to see
Them going to the effort of buffing Tyrantus and then printing Toyrantus who completely obsoletes it is just pure comedy.
😂
Tyrantus can be pulled by Oondasta or something though, Toyrantus loses the battlecry.
I do think they should buff Tyrantus even further though, but 4 mana draw a beast and double its health + 6 mana summon it from your hand might be a little bit unfun in certain matchups.
This made me think up a combo with stranded beach whale (or whatever the 4 20 from the new set is). Use these two cards, then use Hozen Healer + Crazed Alchemist for the OTK next turn.
Warhorse trainer was buffed as it entered into core set, and buffed version did see some play in standard
Yea, I saw some decks running it every now and then
Ya cards def busted, just sad none stuck around because he couldn't carry any of them on his own 💀
Heck i played it. Played it with justicar truehart. It was okay. got me to silver at least.
@@TheZoragon i played it in legend... In previous year there was just enough ways to generate dudes in standard that it was barely ok... Mainly because of that guy from nathria that summoned dudes
It was bonkers in Duels... R.I.P.
Well you're right, no one has ever heard of "Add Lead" Grizzly, but we've all heard of Addled Grizzly
🫨🤐
Notice how most of these cards on here are from the Grand Tournament. Perhaps that's saying something about the Grand Tournament.
TGT is funny because even at the time it was considered very weak, aside from Secret Paladin.
Who am i? NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!
Acidmaw saw play after the buff. It led to Trial of the Jormungars being nerfed to 6 mana instead of 5.
Seeing the Firebat gameplay at around 2:55 brings back so many memories of old school HS.
Yeah, out of all the hearthstone streamers at the time, he was my favorite out of the bunch.
Firebat was just an all-around nice, chill guy to watch. It really sucked to see him go.
I don't watch live streamers anymore, but I sometimes wonder if he still streams from time-to-time?
@@vitaminc9860he retired from streaming years ago, he's probably just working a normal job nowadays
@@BeefinOut Damn, sucks to hear that. I hope he's happy doing whatever he's doing.
Warhorse trainer was INSANE in twist when it was around. It togheter with quatermaster made the dude package so much worth it, also this card was definitely stronger of the two. This dude package is what made palladin so strong also, so without this single card i would argue palladin would see litlle play in twist. It was semi permanent savage roar with a very good body and annoying taunts.
Warhorse trainer is busted for sure, any lower power format in twist that comes back where hes legal he will likely be good, just needs a place! 😎
Some of these cards were relevant in Caverns of Time era Arena. Worgen Greaser was genuinely good for like, two entire Arena rotations. Still kinda OK now.
no shot 💀 thats amazing 🤣
Your pronunciation of addled was wild.
Also warhorse trainer’s full art is incredible I gotta go look at old art now
Old art is much different in that there's often characters/things completely cropped out 😂
Funny thing about the last two: it actually kinda messes with the Tombs of Terror solo adventure, specifically the Khartut’s Tomb. In that chapter, there’s a tomb that can summon random big deathrattles, and with some of the infinite value ones (specifically Anub), it can either a) create non-games when a player generates a minion for free, or even worse b) create a soft lock with certain anomalies, like the one that says a hero is immune while they control a minion. If both players end up with an Anub in such a scenario, it makes it nearly impossible for the game to end… yeah, I learned about this first hand, why do you ask? It’s not like one of the main reasons I keep coming back to this game is to play that chapter over and over…
I used to play hearthstone all the time and eventually I just started doing the roguelike adventures specifically. I watched them deteriorate firsthand when the quest enemy in rise of shadows started giving multiple quests at once, making the fight nearly impossible to win.
Tyrantus' taunt keyword could be seen as a nerf because before it was a minion that was hard to get rid of even if it wasn't strong, but now it could just be smacked by any minion, it's iffy since it isn't good in the first place, but taunt is a give and take
Yeah it doesn't look like a taunt minion either, i mean it's a giant carnivorous Raptor, so it would've made much more sense to give it Rush instead.
Ball of spiders is something I do remember playing waaayyyy back for 6 mana, and I still play it today in my Ramekhan Roar Hunter, good stuffs, good video!
So as a Naxxramus player, the Ball of Spiders had 2 things:
Deathrattles were very rare value cards since we were still in a Vanilla card era like Yugioh before powerscaling.
The second reason is we had Beast activators in Hunter that worked really well with Ball of Spiders. The issue is that everything now has an effect just like Yugioh, so Ball of Spiders has alot less power scalling now since we are past the Quest era of Ungoro
Annoying pronunciation correction is annoying; I believe that in "addled grizzly" the "addle" is pronounced similar to "paddle" without the "p," i.e., the verb "addle" is being used to describe the grizzly and when modifying it as the receiver of the action (think "frustrate" --> "frustrated"), "addle" transforms into "addled."
Irregardless, great video!
I totally thought he was saying "madlad grizzly" as a joke, cause I couldn't tell what the card's name was until it popped on screen.
He also called Coldarra Drake "Caldera Drake"
I'm the same man that pronounces Imprisoned Antaen as "Imprisoned Antenna", aka sometimes I don't bother to try to get it right because I think it's funny. Calling it add lad grizzly can't possibly be right, but hes a cool lad
(with that said, theres like 10 comments mentioning it, so i'll try to do better in the future as it seems to be in everyones best interest)
👨🍳 hes cooking, thats his name from now on 🤣
2:06 simple mana theory (back when there was one applied) 3 mana to play the 3 1/1's, 1 mana to draw/create each one of them. Considering that you also get 3 random beasts back it was a card worth its mana. Just that being worth your mana is and was never strong. Especially in hunter, too slow you know.
Idk if this is for wild but ball of spiders is good in standard. It synergizes well with jungle gym, the 2 mana 1/4 myths guy, saddle up, patchwork pals and the pups. I play it in spell token hunter with good success
The fact that it got cut and isnt run in current versions of token hunter made me feel okay enough to include. I know it saw play there for a bit! But for that big a nerf it shouldnt be getting cut for me to say it mattered 😂
Impressive that you found footage of a streamer playing ball of spiders ! 😄 Completely forgot about that card, cool video
helps when the 8 year old video is titled "Ball of Spiders Hunter" 🤣
Warhorse trainer was used a lot in wild
Still is in Odd Pally
Also in Silver hand paladin which was a solid tier 2 deck
Also in Duels!
Ill be honest. I miss 2014 hearthstone. I wish i could go back
you miss being a kid with no responsibilites and unlimited free time lol
woah, so much nostalgia. It's pretty insane how much hs got powercrept, but i really like them adjusting cards.
Me 2
Keep making this style of video man, I’ve just got back into hearthstone and this content is really entertaining, good stuff!
I don't play Hearthstone often, but I believe that Warhorse Trainer sees play in Wild and it can be very strong due to how many cards are available that summon Silver Hands.
i see warhorse trainer in literally every SHR deck in wild. so common that i plan my turns around seeing it
Also, you can't tell me that a card buff that drove beast druid, a joke archetype for so long, to RANK 1 LEGEND in WILD(!), was a nothing-buff
The buff came after the deck stop being good 😅 I can only imagine the additional horror if it came then
00:00 - Intro
00:24 - Flame Lance
01:35 - Ball of Spiders
03:23 - Worgen Greaser
05:11 - Flame Leviathan
06:41 - Warhorse Trainer
08:34 - Addled Grizzly
09:42 - Poisoned Blade
11:07 - Knight of the Wild
12:55 - King Mosh
14:18 - Tyrantus
15:36 - Anub'arak
18:04 - Malorne
19:47 - Honorable Mentions
20:46 - Outro
“You probably never heard or seen this card” me watching this going down memory lane back when I played hearthstone from the very beginning and is in and out for a bit. Definitely remember every single one of these.
Ball of spiders would have been insane if it would have been printed at 4 mana back then
Yea likely. It's almost good now at 3
@@JordanMGwhen they buffed s ball for twist is made hunter best class for a whole twist season 😅
Yeah, as someone who only played Hearthstone back then, I still remember Webspinner as an insane card. Even though most Beast cards sucked (both in retrospect and at the time), the value was too crazy to resist.
Saw your vid about oppressive cards and now subbed, I’ve been wanting hearthstone content like this takes me back. You’re doing GREAT
🙌 thanks :D
IMO they should do the minor buffs (like 1 star point) but WAY more frequently and dynamically. Why not have every card potentially be usable in the right deck, and the meta constantly changing as cards subtly shifted in power
4:43 I know! lets buff it to a 4 mana 20/20 textless. I'm sure then it'll get at least some play..
Real
i actually did use Warhorse Leader in my Silver Hand deck long before it was buffed. Silver Hands were ok in the Grand Tournament but i remember people were not using Warhorse Leader back then ether
Just want to immediately note that when analyzing a card like Flame Lance, going 'it's bad because you could just play Assassinate or Shadow Word: Death instead' is kinda weird to me, like the answer is obviously no, these cards are from other classes? What is much more relevant is that for one less mana you have Fireball which does a little less damage but can go face, or Polymorph which is honestly just the much better card as it negates death rattles. Plus, at the time BGH was 3 mana, so dealing with 8 health card that also has 8 attack like any giant is something you can do for 3 mana. Regardless, the reason a class card is bad is never ever because another class can do it better, especially in these early sets when classes could not do everything very well. Mage just happened to already have better spot removal, better than both assasinate and sw:d as well.
Sure, was just some popular comparisons at the time. Should have mentioned fireball
Warhorse Trainer actually did see meta play for a while; during the pure Paladin meta of Festival of Legends. Pure Paladin was the top deck, and you could run… basically any flavor of pure Paladin and you were running a top tier deck.
Your pronunciation of "Add-led" Grizzly physically pinged me for 1. But otherwise, great video.
My bad bro I'll do better in the future 😂
7:00 doesn'T see play? what??
fr though what the actual fuck were they cooking during TGT
Hams! They're in the lower left corner of the board.
If I can't rotate the ham, what's the point?
Mysterious Challenger. That's it for the most part.
Funnel cakes!
Tgt came after people were complaining about the powercreep in naxx, gvg and black mountain, so I guess they were trying to make an expansion that mostly didn't overwhelm entirely what already existed.
Yeah, it was kinda underwhelming by design.
@@henriquepacheco7473 I don't think they designed it to be underwhelming, just that they vastly overestimated the power of the two main gimmicks of the expansion. Both Inspire and Joust cards were given too low baseline stats to be worth playing, without taking into account that 1) Hero Powers are extremely inefficient uses of mana and 2) Joust needs a very top-heavy deck that loses to every aggro deck ever.
I remember Malorne being part of a lot of druid mill decks, just to slow down their own fatigue in mirror matches
Lmao the dramatic reading of 2014 like a decade was a century
The thing about ball of spiders is: 6 mana draw 3 at the time with an upside would have been playable (though probably not in hunter tbh, yeah they didn't have a lot of value generation, but they also didn't really care unless it gave tempo too), but it was actually 6 mana draw 3 bad cards with what was usually an additional downside of having a delay on getting those cards.
Warhorse Trainer sums up current hearthstone pretty well right now. It's so cheap and such a good buff and yet does nothing cause nothing lives even 1 turn. You summon any silverhands they just die immediately.
Someone who gets it 🤝
Thoroughly enjoyed this trip down memory lane. Nice upload
Interesting pronunciation of addled grizzly
😅
Logically since flame leviathan says it attacks all characters except mechs would this apply if your hero has a mech themed skin? 🤔
after the king krush skin bug who knows LMAO
Another Jordan vid, another like given before the video starts!
If I could give some (unsolicited) feedback, the commentary on individual cards did feel a bit long in this video? There were a few points where it admittedly felt like the nail was already in, and the hammer kept hitting it, if that makes sense.
Anyway, would like to see you do some sort of video on Twist, before it (nonsensically) goes away again in a week and a half! 😃
Malnorne may technically be stronger… but I hated the buff. I love playing big dumb value games that oftentimes can get to fatigue
I mean you can play jade
5:45 I quit HS already, but I have an important question about this.
Does it actually hit the Annoy-o-tron skinned Paladin?
It should, but that would be a funny bug if it didnt 😂
Ball of spiders should've gotten the barrel of monkeys treatment: 1 mana spell, summon 1 1/1 spider (3 left!).
Hot
Add-led grizzly lmao
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Baall of spiders at 3 might have made hunter the best deck back in tgt. I don't think you fully grasp just how much lower the power level of the game was back then.
Even anub'arak probably would have been meta relevant in tgt if they had given it to a class that actually wanted a value card like warrior rather than rogue.
undertaker into 3 mana ball of spiders 💀
7:20 This card is played in different game modes, not mainly in normal mode. But I have seen it quiet a few times last year in some recruit builds in wild :D
Malorne wasnt a buff, it was a nerf.
Its 1 niche use was its deathrattle effe for like undertakah, the 'buff' removed that 1 use
Unlucky 😔
when they buffed anubarak it was bugged, and _any_ nerubian would have his deathrattle, even if he wasnt in the deck. It was patched quickly but cards that made nerubian tokens suddenly got insane lol.
:O thats a story for a future video 💀
@@JordanMG it only worked with beneath the grounds, my mistake. Still quite funny nonetheless haha
Ive been playing questline paladin silverhand spam abd godamn is warhorse trainer ridiculous lol if theyve wasted all their removal too early i now can summon an infinite army of 5/3 taunt minions and they can do nothing to stop it
Tyrantus also has a place in history for being the card Day[9] was reviewing when he delivered his famous "larger and larger man" speech
Shadow word death used to be 3 mana if I remember correctly. It was also buffed like assassinate.
Indeed
Warhorse trainer was meta an expansion or two ago though right? Wouldn't say that buff did nothing
Buff definitely mattered, the cards nuts, but odd paladin was basically gone just as he arrived 😥
What is the song that plays from 25 seconds onward? It sounds so familiar
Hollow Knight OST - Hornet
I tried to play Warhorse Trainer with Justicar Trueheart, it was eh. Didn't mysterious challenger come out then? and besides there was murlocadin
4:10 How many stats would a card need at 4 mana to be a vanilla worth playing? Would people play a 4 mana 10/10 or a 4 mana 8/8?
Some decks would, but not the top dogs that do powerful things with really low curves. A Renethal pile like priest may chuck a 4 mana 10 10 in. Likely wouldn’t do a 6 att 15 health tho unless inner fire stuff 🤣
I think a number of these are pretty misleading, most notably the lack of distinction you have put for wild and standard's formats. There is a solid argument a number of these cards in their buffed state would see play in standard now/at the time they were buffed or a bit earlier.
An overwhelming number of the cards you have put on this list where from the twist buffs happened, which placed cards in awkward situations of having to be good enough in wild but not broken in twist. Many of them simply happened to buff some of the most historically worst cards and give them a second chance, and others a "catchup" to what used to be a good card.
The card you did put in this list that has existed in standard since its buff, Ball of Spiders, saw play in token hunter throughout the deck's lifespan in Whizbang according to Vicious Syndicate reports and most HSGuru decklists. For being here for an expansion and some change, its done well and the buff was impactful.
Odd Paladin was crazy at one point
Ball of spiders + saddle up felt unbeatable before saddle up’s nerf because it refilled your board so efficiently it was almost impossible for your opponent to board clear you
Yea that was its best moment. Somehow saddle up got nerfed and then ball of spiders got cut and saddle up didnt 😅
I feel like Flame Lance could be "Deal 10 damage to the highest health enemy minion, then deal any excess to the enemy hero"
The biggest design issue with old Hearthstone that I remember, was that 1 mana minions were broken and 8+ mana minions were garbage.
🤔😅
That feeling when you have been playing since the start and do in fact remember that card and even trying to make it work lol.
Shadow Word: Death was 3 mana at the time of The Grand Tournament, but Flame Lance was still laughably bad on release. To be fair, most cards in The Grand Tournament were absolutely garbage on release. (Ball of Spiders, Warhorse Trainer, Poisoned Blade, Knight of The Wild, Anub'arak were all from TGT, and that was just mentioned in this video.)
Also, fun trivia! Journey to Un'Goro's cinematic didn’t have a song, and a reddit thread reached gained enough traction to cause Ben Brode, the lead game designer at the time to write and perform his own rap for Journey to Un'Goro.
"You have probably never heard of this... Poison Blade"
Ah... truly the game has changed while I was away...
😂
Trying to hit the word and time count hard
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(doing better about this in future videos)
They should just quietly keep buffing Greaser every year until it's eventually the most efficient vanilla creature in the game like a decade from now.
would be ideal
I think the thought process for 6 mana for three webspinners is it was kind of like 6 mana for 3 1/1 and draw 3 cards
I actually used Warhorse trainer in an odd paladin deck that I pushed to D5 in wild. It was a great card in the deck (I in fact played 2 copies in the deck)!
if you’re playing odd pally, trainer is the best card in the deck by far. Odd pally is just a bit outdated
this is indeed the take that I made, ain't no one arguin warhorse trainer aint busted 💀
The point is this: they can buff all the cards they want. The Wild meta will always be dominated by aggro decks (Pirate Rogue, Even Shaman, etc.). So, you never get to turn 6-7.
The only way to make the game more diverse and give meaning to the buffs is to limit aggro decks, for example by increasing the initial health. But Blizzard will never do this because the kids playing on their phones while sitting on the toilet want 4-minute games. Just enough time for a quick bathroom break.
Hs community in 2014: please buff these cards
Hs devs in 2024: we got you fam
🤣🤣
I remember pretty much all of these being played pre-buff, but then I did play a lot of arena.
Arenas a whole different game. I imagine these are all great in Arena, especially now
They could fix poisoned blade by making it restore 1 durability whenever your hero kills a minion with it. Or just giving it 5 durability.
Warhorse Trainer and Ball of Spiders have been staples of Standard decks as recently as this year (Granted, Swarm Hunter has completely fallen off) so those two should have been touched on some more.
It's lovely to see your videos finally get some deserved views.
“ADD LED” grizzly 🤦 8:41
my bad
Tbf if spider card for hunter would be a 5 mana cost, it would be Kinda insane. Hunter early on had problems with generating cards and sometimes wanted cheap beasts like this, Mostly for Hyegna, i runned that 1/1 spider sometimes.
Oh remember all these cards. I played them 🥲
"Did anyone of you even know that Anub'arak got buffed?" Yes, I learned it the hard way when it ended one of my dungeon runs. Might not be viable in constructed, but can be very vicious in solo adventures
I've since learned that! 😅 it going brr there
Warhorse trainer saw a lot of play in Odd Paladin. The buff did a lot. Problem is that Odd Paladin as a whole isn't superstrong in Wild
Indeed
8:00 WDYM you just showed being played in wild, it was pretty popular after patch.
yea the criteria for "relevant play" was a top deck in winrate, like you'd typically see in a meta report. you could play odd paladin right now and hit legend if you wanted, but its not a good deck!
Ok I am pretty sure that grizzly was played in aggro token druid at some point. I think it was whenever living mana came out. I hit legend for the first time with that deck.
if true that woulda been before the buff but I'd bet it wasn't optimal even then
12:59 woah wtf undercards has a 12 mana 5/8 with the same effect and 3 less board space and it’s decently good, i guess not being able to carry mana over turns is that big of a difference
Malorne with Cubic Ooze would be insane no? 3 malorne would make them unclear able right?
Sounds slow and bad but we won’t know until you try
its crazy how power creep has affected the game, Wogren Greaser could be a 4 mana 7 7 and prolly still not be good enough, Tyrantus could have lifesteal, rush and deathrattle add it back to hand and it still might not see play
JordanMg: you could get it in 2 or 3 turns which is basically late game at this point
Modern yugioh players: 2 or 3 turns what?! Turn 1 is already late game for us
yugioh lategame is halfway into the first player's first turn
What's fun is some of these changes happened but we're never given support because of a format that no longer exists. I miss duels. Even if the cards mentioned here were some of the most TOXIC cards in duels. Imagine a hero power where for 3 mana you get two silver hands. Imagine having a treasure that could make them all permenantly be 3/3. And then add in the fury of "haha, they all have taunt now".
They couldn't give more cards to make that deck stronger in duels. So standard oddly suffers for it.
Thing is, it's so simple to ban cards for duels. They did it all the time but noooooo we can't have nice things. Had to are the format even though people were playing it after the update until we all got booted from the server. I still miss the format. I still want it back.
That first example? I mean if you can destroy a creature for 4 a 5 could do a bizzzzzzilion dammage but it would still be worse. Unless there is a way to trasfer that dammage to the player
Precisely
Really cool style of hearthstone content 👍
Anub'Arak was extremely obnoxious in Arena when Caverns was in rotation, especially when he was randomly generated
i can imagine 😱
i played addled Grizzly in my beast druid before buff/nerf....feels bad man.
Poisoned blade has to be the one of if not the worst designed card in the game. Aside it being aweful, its also better in literally any other class since it won't disable the hero power.
Fun fact: Poisoned Blade's effect is likely a reference to how Rogue's Hero Power used to work all the way back in alpha? Beta? It equipped a 1/2 Dagger, or gave your weapon +1 Attack if you already had a weapon. I think it was considered too "unfun" (maybe not even "broken") to play against, because of... Assassin's Blade I guess. Early HS was a whole different beast.
@robertlupa8273 yep. Also in miracle rogue it wasn't too bad. Poison blade with gadgetzen auctioneer and all the weapon buffs to then blade flurry your opponents board and face for like 25 damage
One can only imagine a world where they printed good cards in TGT. Maybe Inspire would have gone evergreen if all the cards weren't terribly overcosted
As soon as we get a new expansion where they try to shovel dude paladin, Warhorse Trainer will go CRAZY
yea for sure
9:13 beast druid was def a meta deck with addled grizzly. For at least a month.
Warhorse Trainer did actually see relevant play in Top Decks in Wild for a time.
Odd Dude Paladin absolutely eats this up