@@rigell2764 totally different category of vehicles. Y'all have to understand certain people have more money than they can understand. But live a minimal life. Stop applying boring/poor mindset solutions to everyone situation. Just because you're told "that will keep you rich".
I paid $15k after I bought this exact car. It’s been across the country twice, done 10k miles a year and I’ve never looked back. My turbo S is my favorite SUV, hands down😊 For me, the spend is worth it.
I bought a 2014 cayenne S with 120K miles. I did the valve cover gaskets and the Y shaped coolant vent line underneath the intake manifold , and the vacuum lines at the rear of the engine. then it’s just like new again. It is the best SUV I’ve ever put my butt in. Love it!
I'd check those flex pipes to ensure they aren't leaking. Weak motor mounts will cause those to eventually fail and the leaking exhaust will trigger a catalyst inefficiency code.
When I was a valet, I drove a new one of these in 2011. The police were directing traffic for us, and as I was slowing down for the stop sign, the cop yells "Go! Hit it! Hit it!" Not being one to disobey a lawful order from a police officer, I hammered the gas. Thing got to 110 on a 2 lane road and the field we were parking in was coming up FAST as you might imagine, and those brakes felt like they could stop the rotation of the Earth! All while being cocooned in a quiet, smooth, leather-lined luxo-barge. What a machine. As far as fixing it, a couple washers on the downstream O2 sensors to fool the cat codes, oil pressure sensor isn't THAT bad, and just bite the bullet on the air struts. These things do feel like you're riding on a cloud, a coilover conversion just isn't right.
Cayennes are pretty friendly vehicles to work on if you have adequate home mechanic skill and follow maintenance manual. Actually maintaining it on schedule will get you many hundreds of thousands of miles on them and they are incredibly capable machines all around!
I got a Cayenne Diesel with 233K miles on original air suspension. I wouldn't hesitate to replace the strut if it starts to leak, they're actually reliable and the ride quality is worth the premium.
Before watching I’ll say this Repairing a car is almost always more financially sensible. That is, if you’re comparing to replacing with an equivalent vehicle.
I say the same thing all the time, but this one? I'm not so sure. This vehicle has so many big ticket time bombs right around the corner that you could spend $13k today and spend $15k next year. That is one high-performance engine and I don't want to think about what its parts cost. These cars are very much pay to play and when they are new and owned by rich people, it's no big deal. But this one? I'd say unless the owner is sentimental, I'd walk away.
@@dmorga1 i totally agr4ee. would be hard pressed to find a similar drivingt experience for 30k over five years tho. i figure 30k for maintenance on this one over 5-7 years. anything used in this category will be the same problem, and anything reliable will be a different stratosphere of driving experience. the market figured it all out for us. just a oreference thing at the end of the day.
“Worth” is in the eye of the beholder. If a car is just a means to get from Point A to Point B, it probably isn’t worth $13K worth of repairs. If you love Porsches (or whatever brand), have an emotional attachment to the specific car (something a late family member gifted you), or just plain like what you have, it may well be worth it.
Emotional logic...how feminine. At the end of the day, it's a production car, not a limited edition or anything special, (it's essentially a rebadged VW Touareg, smh)...that $13k in repairs can be better used towards a different, better car.
@@nehguhtiv6873 You must be correct...because you said so, clearly. Hey, what do you call a smirking Roman Soldier that's picking his teeth?? Gladiator...
I'd add: If you want a car that you can have some fun with, but be able to actually have passengers and be practical, maybe even off road it and looks good Then it can be worth it
Appreciating that your car is part of an ecosystem of available replacement parts, knowledge and time-limited lifespan components (rubber mostly) is the best advice for a person looking to buy an old premium car. I.e. Be prepared to pay, struggle for advice, not rely on it as a daily and leak.
I have Porsche Cayenne and S class Mercedes , I truly love my cars and they bring a big smile to my face every time I get behind the wheel … I have no problem maintaining and taking care of them… every car needs service and maintenance, you get what you pay for , you want to ride in a Porsche you maintain the Porsche … you want Corolla , you maintain Corolla … you can’t ride in Porsche and maintain Corolla , it doesn’t work like that
I was thinking the same thing, yes it’s a lot of money, but for a keeper, 13k will make this an amazing virtually restored beauty. I have 2 cayennes, my 2005 S has 40k miles, and I just bought a 2008 Turbo with only 2500 miles, that I will now drive regularly. These older Cayennes, are amazing, and one of the best SUV’s ever made in my opinion.
Agree I have a 957 V6. Super reliable way more than the turbos and much cheaper overall which is nice. I might buy a turbo just bc I love 957s so much later on but for now im happy. And I have the Sport Plus GTS 21" rims on it so it looks way better than stock.
I have a 2014 GTS with 160k miles. Ive tried following the maintenance as Porsche recommends to keep it happy. If one does the work, like I have, they can be fairly easy to work on. Since I have the V8 nom turbo, parts arent too expensive and I do use quality parts
I have a 16 GTS, and yes I would put 15 or 20 grand in it in a heartbeat if it needed it, had small rock chip in windshield , tried to patch it , cracked the whole thing , 2k later cause of of cameras etc, no problem worth every penny, love it more than anything brand new.
We had a 2004 Cayene S in the family, and it was as reliable as a Toyota!!! Yes, expensive to service, but it never ever broke, ever. We also had a 2004 X5, and I had a 2006 CLK500 - those started dry rotting and falling apart at 60k miles.
I own a 2011 Cayenne (92A) with 190 000 KM on the odometer. I have recently paid 125 000 Norwegian Crowns (11 500 Dollars) for replacing all four air struts (Bilstein), compressor and valve block. In addition, the level sensors were taken apart and lubricated. In my opinion, it is definitely worth it. It is quite an extraordinary car, and the air suspension gives us an extraordinary ride quality when all is working as it is supposed to. The rest of the car is very solid, and the quality of the interior is superb. The transfer case has been an issue on several models of the Cayenne, but with oil change every 30 000 km, there will be no problem.
I've faced a similar set of circumstances on a 2013 Q7 Prestige S-line that I bought this past April as a replacement for my 2020 A7 Prestige. I was tired of having an expensive car that I was watching depreciate so I bought this one for $9k with a blown up turbo. I've done all of the upgrades (bigger turbo, tune for the engine and transmission, all the emissions deletes) as well as fixing it up cosmetically and now I'm double my original sum for this vehicle. To me, it is more about what it would cost to replace it with a modern equivalent and eat the initial cost and depreciation vs. keeping an older car on the road. I'm actually really pleasantly surprised with how powerful it is and how good the towing and fuel economy is with this V6 TDi motor. I guess I will continue to roll the dice. :)
I have a very similar Q7 TDI. Only problem I have is the intake gets gummed up pretty fast. It costs nothing but time to clean it up every few years. I do wish I had the air suspension though. I tow a lot and that would be better for it. The steel springs ride pretty good though.
As always, I am impressed with your knowledge and honesty. I wish your shop was closer to where I live. I live in WA State and makes it impossuble for me to take things to your shop. As far as the Porsche Cayenne goes, if it were mine I would fix everything that it needs and is still cheaper than buying a new one. Yes, it does cost about what the car is worth but it beats buying a new one. As always, best to you and Mrs. Wizard. I like your vids as teaches me a lot about various cars and repairs
My 2004 Cayenne Turbo needs new cats , ill be ordering a set from Fabspeed and installing them myself so ill save on labor , and get hammered on swearing!
Spark plug antifoulers drilled and fitted on top of one another. 4 total and then reinstall your O2 sensors…it’s janky but heck maaan. All the rear sensors wanna see is less oxygen. I’d spend that on high flow downpipes (I don’t know Porsches) lol
Hmmm. I’d go: Padslap, (seriously ceramic brakes on an suv?!), sparkplug antifoulers, code reset and a set of coilovers or a airsprong delete kit by Strutmasters or some research with VW parts/etc… drive it til it’s done done ✅
Got the same code on my Skoda! Just installed a spacer on the o2 sensor after the cat and that's it! 1€ part! Got the car passed on the annual inspection! Even the engine light went out! After the inspection I took it out and the engine light come back on! Problem solve with only 5€! Ahahaha
Great content. I just picked up a 60k mile 957 (2010) Cayenne GTS… It has Eurowise suspension and coil-overs with some off-road wheels, and it surprisingly rides pretty smooth. Not a world-beater in terms of power with the NA V8, but more than sufficient to get by and get out of trouble. Riding good for our uses (newborn baby-mobile & occasional camp trips TBD) so far with a nice interior and styling that has grown on me since the Cayenne’s initial release.
It worth it. New one is expensive but worth it. Paid the cost to be the boss. Know what you buying and what you are getting for the price. Love Turbo S Cayennes. Good, truthful video!
Another fascinating vid from Car Wizard. Many thanks! Since I've now owned two Cayennes (still have my 2013 S) I found this particular episode very interesting. The high price here didn't surprise me in the least, as Porsche parts are often just crazy expensive. It's too bad, but then the driving experience is extraordinary. I've either ridden in or driven many different SUVs and trucks, and the Cayennes are wonderfully different, in a very good way. If you're willing to pay the price of maintaining one properly, they can be a reliable and fun ride.
What I use to determine fixing or not fixing is, am I going to keep the car for a good while? Will the repair make it as if new? Thus extending the life of the vehicle. I decided, spending 8k for an engine change out on a 2013, was a good idea as the engine would have a 100k, 5 year warrantee. And the body was still pretty good. And I liked the car. If you don’t like the car, body is rusty, and even if repairs are done and you still gonna have issues, I would not repair. That car still looks awesome, so I’d spend the 13k and fix it up right.
We redid the timing belt on my 1995 ford escort lx. Water pump was right there. I changed it for the heck of it. 168K miles rebuilt engine, trans, suspension. I went all out on this little no rust gas saver. great work car. If i go out on the town ill drive the 06 kia amanti.
you should only get a car like this if you can afford to buy the car in cash + have as much as the original retail price in cash savings. expensive cars are money pits, especially when they're 15 years old
I almost bought a Cayenne Turbo S and it's a sweet ride as long as it doesn't break. A friend of mine bought two non-turbos despite my warnings and he now has 2 dead Cayennes, the other one was even engine swapped (by him, cost 6000 bucks) and it too died within a few months. I wouldn't buy a non-turbo Porsche.
A good number of people would spend that sort of money on the car if they have looked after it. My experience has been that I spend what it takes to keep my vehicles in mint condition because that is less stress than buying something else where you do not know the history and may be buying someone else’s problems.
Agreed it is better to replace other parts while you have access. My Panamera had a bad thermostat. We replaced not only the thermostat but also the water pump and updated the thermostat housing to the reliable version while we were already in there lol
When my Volvo S60 2.4 had a P0420 Catalyst System Efficiency Below Threshold, we just put an "adapter" so to speak on the rear (post cat) O2 lambda sensor, just a basic nut to move away the sensor a bit further from the exhaust flow, and the CEL was never to be seen again. Waybe worth a shot to do this on this beast.
As a car mechanic I don't agree that you need to change all 4 struts in this particular case. Because of a big expense it is logical to drive those rear ones until they fail.
I agree. Just change the front struts and leave the rears. This car prob isn't a daily driver so if it does have issues on the rear struts later just get them sorted when convenient. With big bills like that I would be happy to reduce the bill now and fix the rears when required.
First time I see the underside of this generation of Cayenne. I have a (same model year) Touareg, which I have seen the underside of, and they are practically identical. I do prefer the styling of the Touareg over the Cayenne, though this is just personal preference. They're both great SUV's.
If you have taken good care of it and it is in good condition otherwise, then I think it is worth it. You know the maintenance and condition of your car better than anything you can buy. That's worth a lot.
My Panamera was not placed in jack mode at Costco for tires. It blew out both front struts and fried the air compressor, $12,000. Air suspension is expensive. Sadly, parts and labor do not depreciate. Parts and labor are still for a $150,000 car.
Replacement is not the only option available. I own Turbo (without S). I ordered a complete overhaul of all 4 struts. Mechanics were surprised that at 230 000 km on EU roads only few bushing and rubber parts had signs of wear, with not much visible wear on other parts. Replacing rubber parts and cleaning everything was relatively cheap.
It's your choice and you can do that but as the Wizard mentioned for paying less you're also compromising on the ride's quality, air suspension can be a pain to replace but they're also quite comfortable compared to coilovers, that's something to keep in mind if you want to take that route 😅
Given thus is the high performance S model, with 181k miles (!), that repair bill isn’t terrible, especially if you subtract the $5k for cats, which you could ignore or hit up a salvage vehicle, it’s amazing that a performance brand did this! Anyone ever even seen a Ferrari with 181k miles? Exclude Toyotas and that mileage on any suv is gonna put you in the top 10%.
Doesn’t hold a candle to my 2003 Range Rover repair bill. $26,000 total for past 8 months of service. Car was a gift given to us. Can’t sue my father-in-law (the gift giver), because the divorce from my wife would cost me a bigger fortune. Got to say though, it’s one of the best riding vehicles I’ve ridden in. 😂
Absolutely worth it. It‘s a top of the range model, rare survivor, service bills are commensurate to list price not current value. Spend 13k and drive a luxury car, skimp on it and ruin the car and drive a wreck. Same standing would cost you 200k on a new car. So it’s a bargain.
The thing is, the 200k new car is uncomparably cheaper to maintain. Even if you put 30k into this one and change what Wizard said along with the turbos and the gearbox, it'll still have old worn out rubber bushings, brittle plastic parts of the cooling system, sensors, worn out bearings in the engine and drivetrain, old panoramic roof that's likely to leak and flood the interior with its many electronic modules... And in the end, it'll still ride like crap compared to newer ones which have improved air suspension, same goes with how the gearbox changes gears or how fast the turbo spools up compared to newer models. I do like old Cayennes, but these are project cars for someone who does the maintenance himself and goes for budget solutions, otherwise they're just a stressful money pit.
@@lukeblacksmith7422 Exactly. Spending 13k on the suspension and cats wont make it a new car. Its still going to be the same 180k mile driven car only it wont have a check engine light and wont sag after parking. There is no fail proofing such thing for the long run. Its the same thing with even toyota. You can replace all your struts and cats but still your alternator or whatever can go bad the next day. Probably wouldnt be as expensive but still. There is a reason why old premium cars are relatively cheap to buy. I had to learn that the hard way when i was young. I bought a bmw and then sold it and i lost all the money i spent buying it. But who cares about these stories. The only way to learn is to have the full experience yourself.
@@lukeblacksmith7422Agreed 100%. For a casual driver, non-mechanic who is in love with a specific model, leasing is the best option. I did my time of fixing my cars but now I just lease new BMWs and don’t have to worry about anything, enjoying new and fresh interiors with excellent ride quality. No repair costs or headaches.
I had a 97 Civic and the shop was nice enough to tell me about the timing belt covers that have seals on them that are supposed to be replaced, but some shops don't replace them. While a failure is not necessarily catastrophic (of the timing belt seals) it could cause issues and contamination if not addressed and there may not be an early warning sign of an issue, so I appreciate them telling me about that as they said to do them when you do the timing belt because the covers are off anyway. People don't realize that on that era of Honda (say up to 2006 when they did away with timing belts and went to chains) that the pump and the belt are not that expensive, maybe $200 tops for both, but it's the labor that is most of the cost because it takes about 5 hours of shop time I think, and at a rate of say $100 per hour, that's about 2/3 or 3/4 of your bill. The older Hondas say from the 80's and 90's may have been faster but some of these cars require a good amount of tear down to get to things like the timing belt and water pump.
Wizard, I agree with refreshing the air suspension but there is no way that this customer should pay $4k+ labor for a new set of cats. Catalytic converters are just catalyst surfaces that allow incomplete combustion products to reach complete combustion before exiting the exhaust. All catalysts become less efficient as heat cycles and reactions happen, but their surfaces ARE cleanable. The best method for this is to submerge the cat in a suitable cleaning solution (insert favorite purple cleaner here) and run it for 2-3 cycles in a heated ultrasonic cleaner for 30-60 minutes, then rinse with water and dry with compressed air. Overnight soaking and hose rinsing can work but it takes much longer and is a less complete cleaning. This is a great service that you could have for your customers and a decent full-stainless heated ultrasonic cleaner only runs about $500-$600. You could charge this customer $1000 plus labor and both of you would come out ahead. This would also get their total bill below $10k; the cleaned cats should outlive the car. Sincerely, A chemical engineer who buys and fixes cars that people think are mechanically totaled.
The thing about the turbo S though is they’re usually around 20-30k with over 100k miles and about 40-50k with low miles. Honestly, 13k is just the nature of the beast. I have a 2005 turbo, and it’s just one of those things you have to accept before buying. Mine is sitting at 189k. Thankfully it had a pristine service history by the same mechanic since new which means a lot when you are looking at old Cayennes. Never buy one with no service history
If I religiously changed that oil out with full synthetic oil and changed that tranny fluid out regularly and the motor wasn’t using oil I’d spend that in a minute. I’d make sure the underside wasn’t ate up with rust either. Then I could probably get another 5 years out of it and drive my money out of it.
Regarding whether to do the work or mechanically total the vehicle is a tough question. There are a lot of factors that would enter into that equation including, time to and energy to find a replacement car, emotional attachment, unknowns of a new vehicle usage, etc. Leaving emotions and time out of the equation I would spend the money if your shop is doing the work!
Old Euro cars... I have been there with a Land Rover Discovery 4. Mine was mechanically totalled a couple of times. The rational in fixing it was it was more expensive to replace it. BUT there comes a time when you need to cut your losses and I reached that with the Discovery 4. So I took the plunge and brought a new Ford Ranger TDV6 (Australia). Such is life.
@@VerdoVeri Land Rover Jaguar actually improved under Tata control because they put money into the brands. It was will under Ford control it was going bad.
If I could afford that vehicle, I would definitely get it fixed proper. I did the same when I purchased my 2000 Jeep Wrangler in 2018. After all the repairs and modifications, it was a totally different vehicle! Still needs some work, but it drives extremely well and is my daily driver.
Owned a 2013 Panamera Turbo which has the same engine. No major issues but they can be definitely expansive to maintain. Sold for a Model S Plaid. At least now I don’t have to worry about emission issues.
Usual fault on VAG air suspension is the Aluminium Top caps of the air strut that has corrosion going pass the o-ring. Just detatch and clean up, grease with to avoid corrosion in the future. Cost nothing but the labor and O-ring.
eBay aftermarket gets you air shocks for $250 and cats for 1300…car has 181k on it and probably won’t go 180k more for other reasons. These parts will get you another 75k+ (personal experience) and make it worth it to do repairs. Trying to make it new again won’t work and make the NEXT issue even more frustrating.
@@cheyenneobregon184 That’s fine, except you won’t be doing the work, because the car will be mechanically totaled. Unless money is no object, you can’t spend $13k on a car that can have a $10k engine problem next week. $2-3k might be worth the risk, is all I’m saying.
180k, the car is basically done with those issues to the non mechanically inclined person. It goes onto the secondary market where somebody throws one strut, an oil pressure switch and pad slaps the rear brakes. Cats, plenty of areas in the US that do not do emissions testing, so the light is ignored. Cheap eBay parts like that, they are a waste of time and money. There are some decent sellers, but you have to weed through the direct ship from China and the other parts I would not even bother taking out of the box.
If the cars a keeper then yes, do it all, just did timing chain on my 2016 Inveco Daily, est was $7k including everything, I then advised shop to check everything as they were rebuilding, ask themselves would you this back on your car, I added another grand to the price, belts pulleys etc, at 70 years old I don’t want to be messing about with a broken fan belt in the middle of no where , love the videos
That's a tough choice. That's an expensive car, but I spent $7,000 on my 2001 Ford ranger four-wheel drive with a new transmission because everything else was perfect on it. Yeah, I did it
I love my 7gly 2004 ranger 3 liter 5 speed...reg.cab.. No rust 381k miles...need clutch runs like new..when it stops I'll probably put a rebuilt 3 liter in it and keep it going.
I know from experience that if you do the serpentine or timing belt you might as well replace ancillary parts. A water pump driven by the timing belt will cost the same amount of labor to replace as the belt. Spend the extra $200 now and replace it now while the car is apart. Otherwise you'll be paying a 2nd labor charge.
@@philipparana9225 looks like the O2 sensors are the only sensors on the cats, and they can be re-used in the new cats. th-cam.com/video/bO03zU_GTBw/w-d-xo.html
Because when you've gotten fleeced as many times as the Wiz has you don't go looking for parts in all the wrong places. Put another way, the harsh sting of experience would preclude him from making that purchase.
The costs may seem excessive for the value of this car. However, to replace it with a newer version would be extremely expensive. Keeping the car on the road is an affordable option when you look at it the replacement vs. repair.
Incredible car. Def worth it. My friend in college purchased one of these (actually his parents in China did. It was epic) without PCCB, and the feeling you got driving it was absolutely epic. So so so damn fun and fast. Luxurious af too!
I am not a Porsche fan, but if I had owned it for a long time and I knew how it was maintained, I think that, if I had the money, I would repair it. Another one for the same price will probably need the same repairs in the near future.
@@darrensanimalsreptilesfish30 That's what I'm talking about! Cut the cats and let it ride! Is it illegal? Yes, I also don't live in a state that tests emissions. Or does any yearly vehicle inspections. I'm a buyer somewhere between $3k-$5k.
Replacing all of the air-springs is just not necessary I believe. It just vastly increase the bill you present to your customer! Your point on just replacing the functioning parts because you don’t know when the others will fail, why not replace/restore the whole car? It may be many reasons other than age to why a part fail.
I bought a 2004 Toyota Sequoia with 175,000 miles on it. I dumped $5,000 into it which included tires, new radiator, fan, belts, timing belt, water pump, ball joints, new headlight units with LEDs, new grill and some other odds and ends here and there. Put in a new head unit and nice seat covers. All in with the purchase price I'm at $11000.00. is that a good ROI? I really don't know, but I do know the vehicle is solid, paid for, and mechanically sorted out. Out of the three cars I own total I would hop in this first during an emergency to get my family wherever we needed to go. So for me spending that kind of money really depends on if you're going to invest in a car payment or invest in major maintenance. Your comfort level, your money, your choice.
Hopefully the frame isn’t rotten. They like to rot out in weird places like from the inside out or above the front wheels. These are not places that are easily visible. Another issue with these is the rear door rusts out. There is no easy way to get a replacement. These vehicles will rust out if driven in salt or rain.
Maybe one can go for aftermarket air struts. Sometimes they also use the same air struts in other models/manufacturers that don't come with the Porsche price tag. Volkswagen Touareg? Audi Q7 maybe? idk...
Air struts can be rebuilt. Also arnott air struts are warrantied for 10 years. I just got all new air struts on my Range Rover installed for $2000 including parts and labor
The thing is, this is a German car and German cars aren't known for their high quality components. They are however known for high cost components. At 180,000 miles this will be just the beginning of the expensive issues this thing will have. I say scrap it. I am also suspicious of why a car without a ton of miles needs the cats replaced. I have a Frontier with 433,000 miles on it that is still on it's original cat and exhaust system (and engine, owner) so to me it makes it a questionable vehicle.
i know it's not the same but i have to throw my two cents in and yes i know its rather late. i work on school buses and we have gasoline engines on some of those buses, when we get the bank one or bank two below efficiency codes we replace the 02 oxygen sensors that usually fixes the problem again my two cents and yes it's a porshe not a school bus.
You can get a lifted Cayenne Turbo with monster tires for less than 13k now. Software gives you even more insane power. Bonkers!! Here's one for SEVEN GRAND
Totally disagree with your air strut assessment. I have OEM air struts on my 06 struts with over 200K miles on the vehicle. Yes - always use OEM to fix them, but I'd just replace the one strut......maybe both of the aftermarket front struts with OEM, and leave the rear struts alone. OEM Porsche struts aren't water pumps and they can still be replaced later. You're not spending more money by delaying that job in the rear later.
@@erikrezlman7900 I bought Arnott struts for the S500 a few years ago for about 3300 bucks + labour but now the suspension is collapsed. No leaks detected. The only item not replaced is the valve block and that should arrive tomorrow. If that won't fix the problem I will probably make the coilover conversion.
I have one of these, same color, black and havana interior, 190,000 miles. I use it as a road trip car. I think there were 309 units shipped to North America that year. They are pretty rare.
THE POINT IS, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE ORIGINAL COST IS THE $13K. A USED PC AT THIS MILEAGE MAY NEED SUSPENSION, TRANSMISSION, ENGINE, FUEL SYS, BRAKES, ETC, ETC WORK SOON !!!
I spend $7k to fix my e53 4.4 x5 myself. I have heated leather seats, steering wheel, a nice V8, plenty of power and an interior much nicer than modern BMWs with all the tech. Totally worth it.
with that milage engine transmission wise anything can happen... vvt, crack bearings, main seals, water pump, alternator, ac compressor, etc. etc. cheap for a reason... would loved it as project car.
Well, yeah....Fabspeed. They are not cheap! There must be another aftermarket solution such as RandomTech cats that can be welded in. These cars are great vehicles, but they have their mechanical quirks, such as the driveshaft carrier bearing that tends to fail quickly. I've never liked the brushed metal strips next to the side windows. If I had one of these, I'd remove or cover them. Ceramic brakes are silly. The rotors last a long time, but they can also break in some circumstances due to contact with road debris. And they are about $2500 per rotor to replace, and that is just the part cost! And they are not recommended for track use so what is the point? Great video!
I think it’s worth it because I can guarantee if you buy a used one it’s gonna have at least 3k of stuff to fix, unless he wants a newer car. But luxury vehicles are expensive to maintain, it’s just part of what makes them special if you’re not willing to maintain them but a cheaper car, or one without a turbo or without air suspension.
You should drive one for a while anf then you will understand. Porshe and Audi both will ruin you for what you think a driving experience should be. Most vehicles today are just washing machines with wheels and tablet screens.
Because Uncle Joe used to give him rides in the backseat of his 911. Porsche winning Le Mans. Or a million other reasons. But they are being sold to actual people. Unless you think....aliens?👽
13k for a sorted out car is better than buying a replacement with unknown problems for the same amount of money.
5k is better for a Corolla or Civic with 150,000 mi on it that will probably go another 150,000.
if there is no other defered maintenance that it would be better than picking up another similar mileage one that you haven't been servicing.
@@rigell2764show me right now where I can get a civic or a Corolla for that money? Cheap cars ain’t cheap no more
not owning a cayenne over 120 000 miles is already the thing to do
@@rigell2764 totally different category of vehicles. Y'all have to understand certain people have more money than they can understand. But live a minimal life. Stop applying boring/poor mindset solutions to everyone situation. Just because you're told "that will keep you rich".
I paid $15k after I bought this exact car. It’s been across the country twice, done 10k miles a year and I’ve never looked back. My turbo S is my favorite SUV, hands down😊 For me, the spend is worth it.
I bought mine with 90,000. Has 180,000 on it now.
10k miles a year ? 🤣
Short money for what was a $80k car. And new cars are expensive
Just got a cayenne S titanium with 112 on the clock and I must say it’s a well built suv
Keep your fingers cross.
I bought a 2014 cayenne S with 120K miles. I did the valve cover gaskets and the Y shaped coolant vent line underneath the intake manifold , and the vacuum lines at the rear of the engine. then it’s just like new again. It is the best SUV I’ve ever put my butt in. Love it!
This is why 2/3 of all Porsche ever built are still on the road, owners that love them! Great job.
Big difference with your car from the Cayenne in this post, yours is the updated version
Last year we got a Cayenne 2.0 Hybrid, 3 years old on 70k km, so far we have done only the Vacuum Pump Brake System.
Don’t forget the motor mounts very important
I'd check those flex pipes to ensure they aren't leaking. Weak motor mounts will cause those to eventually fail and the leaking exhaust will trigger a catalyst inefficiency code.
"That's a good two inches there, sticking out." I hear that a lot.
That's what she said
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I'm a bit prickly about comments on size.
Just find out what the three letters after the@ of your nickname means in Dutch!
@@henkhendriks5983 Haha! Erg grappig!
When I was a valet, I drove a new one of these in 2011. The police were directing traffic for us, and as I was slowing down for the stop sign, the cop yells "Go! Hit it! Hit it!" Not being one to disobey a lawful order from a police officer, I hammered the gas. Thing got to 110 on a 2 lane road and the field we were parking in was coming up FAST as you might imagine, and those brakes felt like they could stop the rotation of the Earth! All while being cocooned in a quiet, smooth, leather-lined luxo-barge. What a machine.
As far as fixing it, a couple washers on the downstream O2 sensors to fool the cat codes, oil pressure sensor isn't THAT bad, and just bite the bullet on the air struts. These things do feel like you're riding on a cloud, a coilover conversion just isn't right.
Put a spacer in there get surprise visit from EPA keep that trick to yourself in NJ think that's a 50k fine for a shop
This is exactly why I'd never Valet my car lmao
@@apm3rk You never know when the law is going to step in and order them to do an impromptu 0-120mph-0 test. Good point.
Cayennes are pretty friendly vehicles to work on if you have adequate home mechanic skill and follow maintenance manual. Actually maintaining it on schedule will get you many hundreds of thousands of miles on them and they are incredibly capable machines all around!
How are the diesels? I do a lot of road trips and tow dirtbikes and my boat a lot. I read another comment its still pretty quick?
I wouldn’t change my 2017 Cayenne for anything else !
Absolutely love it .
Best ride ever.
I got a Cayenne Diesel with 233K miles on original air suspension. I wouldn't hesitate to replace the strut if it starts to leak, they're actually reliable and the ride quality is worth the premium.
Just bought w with 270k love it
Before watching I’ll say this
Repairing a car is almost always more financially sensible. That is, if you’re comparing to replacing with an equivalent vehicle.
I say the same thing all the time, but this one? I'm not so sure. This vehicle has so many big ticket time bombs right around the corner that you could spend $13k today and spend $15k next year. That is one high-performance engine and I don't want to think about what its parts cost. These cars are very much pay to play and when they are new and owned by rich people, it's no big deal. But this one? I'd say unless the owner is sentimental, I'd walk away.
@@dmorga1 i totally agr4ee. would be hard pressed to find a similar drivingt experience for 30k over five years tho. i figure 30k for maintenance on this one over 5-7 years. anything used in this category will be the same problem, and anything reliable will be a different stratosphere of driving experience. the market figured it all out for us. just a oreference thing at the end of the day.
Agreed. It’s coming up on 200k, so most anything could go out especially on a German car.
“Worth” is in the eye of the beholder. If a car is just a means to get from Point A to Point B, it probably isn’t worth $13K worth of repairs. If you love Porsches (or whatever brand), have an emotional attachment to the specific car (something a late family member gifted you), or just plain like what you have, it may well be worth it.
Yep, what's it worth to YOU?
Emotional logic...how feminine.
At the end of the day, it's a production car, not a limited edition or anything special, (it's essentially a rebadged VW Touareg, smh)...that $13k in repairs can be better used towards a different, better car.
@@elgar6743you’re not smart. Stop trying to be smart.
@@nehguhtiv6873 You must be correct...because you said so, clearly.
Hey, what do you call a smirking Roman Soldier that's picking his teeth??
Gladiator...
I'd add:
If you want a car that you can have some fun with, but be able to actually have passengers and be practical, maybe even off road it and looks good
Then it can be worth it
When you told the customer the cost, he passed out and they had to call 911....
* sigh * * angry upvote *
Have you priced out a 911 recently? Obviously, that didn't help.
You gotta “pay to play” with these higher end vehicles. If you are stressed about making your rent or mortgage every month then you’re in for trouble!
Better call Toyota.
Just the customer's luck that a cop or paramedic will pull up in a 911, a Porsche 911
Appreciating that your car is part of an ecosystem of available replacement parts, knowledge and time-limited lifespan components (rubber mostly) is the best advice for a person looking to buy an old premium car. I.e. Be prepared to pay, struggle for advice, not rely on it as a daily and leak.
I like that advice. It's like automotive "tough love".
Why I went with an older Vette. Found it ridiculous that I couldn't find new parts for a newer BMW.
I have Porsche Cayenne and S class Mercedes , I truly love my cars and they bring a big smile to my face every time I get behind the wheel … I have no problem maintaining and taking care of them… every car needs service and maintenance, you get what you pay for , you want to ride in a Porsche you maintain the Porsche … you want Corolla , you maintain Corolla … you can’t ride in Porsche and maintain Corolla , it doesn’t work like that
I was thinking the same thing, yes it’s a lot of money, but for a keeper, 13k will make this an amazing virtually restored beauty. I have 2 cayennes, my 2005 S has 40k miles, and I just bought a 2008 Turbo with only 2500 miles, that I will now drive regularly. These older Cayennes, are amazing, and one of the best SUV’s ever made in my opinion.
How did you find a Turbo with 2,500 miles??!
@@danielrd7493 forreal, that's a rare find
Agree I have a 957 V6. Super reliable way more than the turbos and much cheaper overall which is nice. I might buy a turbo just bc I love 957s so much later on but for now im happy. And I have the Sport Plus GTS 21" rims on it so it looks way better than stock.
I have a 2014 GTS with 160k miles. Ive tried following the maintenance as Porsche recommends to keep it happy. If one does the work, like I have, they can be fairly easy to work on. Since I have the V8 nom turbo, parts arent too expensive and I do use quality parts
Same.. bought mine from my cousin 2 months ago at 71k miles... really love this thing
Change the transfer case fluid if not done already. Fluid is about $40 and takes about 10min to do, super easy
@@zigzagrz thanks 🤝🏾
@@theyunglos75k miles seem to be when these things start needing ALOT OF MONEY thrown at them
@@hokie9910supposedly; newer Porsches in general are Lexus quality
Hey Wizard! As someone from Germany I am delighted that there‘s at least one American over there who can actually pronounce "Porsche" correctly! 😅
Porshaa lolol
I have a 16 GTS, and yes I would put 15 or 20 grand in it in a heartbeat if it needed it, had small rock chip in windshield , tried to patch it , cracked the whole thing , 2k later cause of of cameras etc, no problem worth every penny, love it more than anything brand new.
We had a 2004 Cayene S in the family, and it was as reliable as a Toyota!!! Yes, expensive to service, but it never ever broke, ever. We also had a 2004 X5, and I had a 2006 CLK500 - those started dry rotting and falling apart at 60k miles.
I own a 2011 Cayenne (92A) with 190 000 KM on the odometer. I have recently paid 125 000 Norwegian Crowns (11 500 Dollars) for replacing all four air struts (Bilstein), compressor and valve block. In addition, the level sensors were taken apart and lubricated. In my opinion, it is definitely worth it. It is quite an extraordinary car, and the air suspension gives us an extraordinary ride quality when all is working as it is supposed to. The rest of the car is very solid, and the quality of the interior is superb. The transfer case has been an issue on several models of the Cayenne, but with oil change every 30 000 km, there will be no problem.
I've faced a similar set of circumstances on a 2013 Q7 Prestige S-line that I bought this past April as a replacement for my 2020 A7 Prestige. I was tired of having an expensive car that I was watching depreciate so I bought this one for $9k with a blown up turbo. I've done all of the upgrades (bigger turbo, tune for the engine and transmission, all the emissions deletes) as well as fixing it up cosmetically and now I'm double my original sum for this vehicle. To me, it is more about what it would cost to replace it with a modern equivalent and eat the initial cost and depreciation vs. keeping an older car on the road. I'm actually really pleasantly surprised with how powerful it is and how good the towing and fuel economy is with this V6 TDi motor. I guess I will continue to roll the dice. :)
really like our 2 Q5s 2014 (112K) and 2015 (75K) TDI's 40 mpg HWY and 32 City. keeping them around as long as possible! Nice HP and torque for towing.
I have a very similar Q7 TDI. Only problem I have is the intake gets gummed up pretty fast. It costs nothing but time to clean it up every few years. I do wish I had the air suspension though. I tow a lot and that would be better for it. The steel springs ride pretty good though.
As always, I am impressed with your knowledge and honesty. I wish your shop was closer to where I live. I live in WA State and makes it impossuble for me to take things to your shop. As far as the Porsche Cayenne goes, if it were mine I would fix everything that it needs and is still cheaper than buying a new one. Yes, it does cost about what the car is worth but it beats buying a new one. As always, best to you and Mrs. Wizard. I like your vids as teaches me a lot about various cars and repairs
Yes. Especially if you want to keep the same performance.
My car said the same thing and changing the 02 sensors fixed it .
100% o2 sensors are a maintenance replace or “delete” item
They are becoming super rare these Turbo S... keep up good work. Greetings from Europe.
My 2004 Cayenne Turbo needs new cats , ill be ordering a set from Fabspeed and installing them myself so ill save on labor , and get hammered on swearing!
Spark plug antifoulers drilled and fitted on top of one another. 4 total and then reinstall your O2 sensors…it’s janky but heck maaan. All the rear sensors wanna see is less oxygen. I’d spend that on high flow downpipes (I don’t know Porsches) lol
Hmmm. I’d go: Padslap, (seriously ceramic brakes on an suv?!), sparkplug antifoulers, code reset and a set of coilovers or a airsprong delete kit by Strutmasters or some research with VW parts/etc… drive it til it’s done done ✅
Got the same code on my Skoda! Just installed a spacer on the o2 sensor after the cat and that's it! 1€ part! Got the car passed on the annual inspection! Even the engine light went out! After the inspection I took it out and the engine light come back on! Problem solve with only 5€! Ahahaha
@@MGBrancocame* back on
solved*
@@DarthVader1977 yes thanks! Sorry my bad English! Always learning! Bye!
Great content. I just picked up a 60k mile 957 (2010) Cayenne GTS… It has Eurowise suspension and coil-overs with some off-road wheels, and it surprisingly rides pretty smooth. Not a world-beater in terms of power with the NA V8, but more than sufficient to get by and get out of trouble. Riding good for our uses (newborn baby-mobile & occasional camp trips TBD) so far with a nice interior and styling that has grown on me since the Cayenne’s initial release.
It worth it. New one is expensive but worth it. Paid the cost to be the boss. Know what you buying and what you are getting for the price. Love Turbo S Cayennes. Good, truthful video!
Another fascinating vid from Car Wizard. Many thanks! Since I've now owned two Cayennes (still have my 2013 S) I found this particular episode very interesting. The high price here didn't surprise me in the least, as Porsche parts are often just crazy expensive. It's too bad, but then the driving experience is extraordinary. I've either ridden in or driven many different SUVs and trucks, and the Cayennes are wonderfully different, in a very good way. If you're willing to pay the price of maintaining one properly, they can be a reliable and fun ride.
What I use to determine fixing or not fixing is, am I going to keep the car for a good while? Will the repair make it as if new? Thus extending the life of the vehicle. I decided, spending 8k for an engine change out on a 2013, was a good idea as the engine would have a 100k, 5 year warrantee. And the body was still pretty good. And I liked the car. If you don’t like the car, body is rusty, and even if repairs are done and you still gonna have issues, I would not repair. That car still looks awesome, so I’d spend the 13k and fix it up right.
We redid the timing belt on my 1995 ford escort lx. Water pump was right there. I changed it for the heck of it. 168K miles rebuilt engine, trans, suspension. I went all out on this little no rust gas saver. great work car. If i go out on the town ill drive the 06 kia amanti.
Worth it as long as the owner can afford it.
Cars like that are not for the "poors" I identify as a poor.
you should only get a car like this if you can afford to buy the car in cash + have as much as the original retail price in cash savings. expensive cars are money pits, especially when they're 15 years old
Are they willing to spend it?
It's up to the owner decision.
Why spend that much money and not get the new car smell?
I almost bought a Cayenne Turbo S and it's a sweet ride as long as it doesn't break. A friend of mine bought two non-turbos despite my warnings and he now has 2 dead Cayennes, the other one was even engine swapped (by him, cost 6000 bucks) and it too died within a few months. I wouldn't buy a non-turbo Porsche.
I enjoy watching your programs as you are very honest when you first started out when you were a younger mechanic,
A good number of people would spend that sort of money on the car if they have looked after it. My experience has been that I spend what it takes to keep my vehicles in mint condition because that is less stress than buying something else where you do not know the history and may be buying someone else’s problems.
Agreed it is better to replace other parts while you have access. My Panamera had a bad thermostat. We replaced not only the thermostat but also the water pump and updated the thermostat housing to the reliable version while we were already in there lol
Much respect for this car being actually drivable at 20 years old and 180k miles 🫡
When my Volvo S60 2.4 had a P0420 Catalyst System Efficiency Below Threshold, we just put an "adapter" so to speak on the rear (post cat) O2 lambda sensor, just a basic nut to move away the sensor a bit further from the exhaust flow, and the CEL was never to be seen again. Waybe worth a shot to do this on this beast.
As a car mechanic I don't agree that you need to change all 4 struts in this particular case. Because of a big expense it is logical to drive those rear ones until they fail.
I agree. Just change the front struts and leave the rears. This car prob isn't a daily driver so if it does have issues on the rear struts later just get them sorted when convenient. With big bills like that I would be happy to reduce the bill now and fix the rears when required.
First time I see the underside of this generation of Cayenne. I have a (same model year) Touareg, which I have seen the underside of, and they are practically identical. I do prefer the styling of the Touareg over the Cayenne, though this is just personal preference. They're both great SUV's.
If you have taken good care of it and it is in good condition otherwise, then I think it is worth it. You know the maintenance and condition of your car better than anything you can buy. That's worth a lot.
I live in Los Angeles , Wizard, you are like having a friend with a great shop. “ I believe the price “
My Panamera was not placed in jack mode at Costco for tires. It blew out both front struts and fried the air compressor, $12,000. Air suspension is expensive. Sadly, parts and labor do not depreciate. Parts and labor are still for a $150,000 car.
Hopefully you mentioned it to them
I've heard bad things about Jiffy Lube but Costco too. Damn!
Not bad, stories like these are why I bought my porsche new, cheap repairs and good reliability
Beast of a vehicle
Replacement is not the only option available.
I own Turbo (without S). I ordered a complete overhaul of all 4 struts. Mechanics were surprised that at 230 000 km on EU roads only few bushing and rubber parts had signs of wear, with not much visible wear on other parts. Replacing rubber parts and cleaning everything was relatively cheap.
If a vehicle has an air suspension and had an option for coilovers from the factory it's probably okay to convert.
Definitely, a maybe.
That's what I was thinking there's gotta be a way out
It's your choice and you can do that but as the Wizard mentioned for paying less you're also compromising on the ride's quality, air suspension can be a pain to replace but they're also quite comfortable compared to coilovers, that's something to keep in mind if you want to take that route 😅
And the oil sender aftermarket guage
Just buy new Arnott airsprings. Not much more than steel, easier than to convert and you maintain the ride quality.
Given thus is the high performance S model, with 181k miles (!), that repair bill isn’t terrible, especially if you subtract the $5k for cats, which you could ignore or hit up a salvage vehicle, it’s amazing that a performance brand did this! Anyone ever even seen a Ferrari with 181k miles? Exclude Toyotas and that mileage on any suv is gonna put you in the top 10%.
Doesn’t hold a candle to my 2003 Range Rover repair bill. $26,000 total for past 8 months of service. Car was a gift given to us. Can’t sue my father-in-law (the gift giver), because the divorce from my wife would cost me a bigger fortune. Got to say though, it’s one of the best riding vehicles I’ve ridden in. 😂
A gift that cost 26k is not a gift. Or maybe it’s the new math…
@@hokie9910 unknowingly, it was a Trojan Horse filled with electric and mechanical gremlins.
@@wydryflythey are known money pits
Been there done that. Owned an 03 RR as well, and that thing was definitely the biggest money pit I’ve ever owned!
@@wydryfly Yeah they are just not good vehicles. I’ve never heard anyone with a RR over 5 years old say they are good cars.
Totally respect your honesty.
Absolutely worth it. It‘s a top of the range model, rare survivor, service bills are commensurate to list price not current value. Spend 13k and drive a luxury car, skimp on it and ruin the car and drive a wreck. Same standing would cost you 200k on a new car. So it’s a bargain.
The thing is, the 200k new car is uncomparably cheaper to maintain.
Even if you put 30k into this one and change what Wizard said along with the turbos and the gearbox, it'll still have old worn out rubber bushings, brittle plastic parts of the cooling system, sensors, worn out bearings in the engine and drivetrain, old panoramic roof that's likely to leak and flood the interior with its many electronic modules...
And in the end, it'll still ride like crap compared to newer ones which have improved air suspension, same goes with how the gearbox changes gears or how fast the turbo spools up compared to newer models.
I do like old Cayennes, but these are project cars for someone who does the maintenance himself and goes for budget solutions, otherwise they're just a stressful money pit.
@@lukeblacksmith7422 Exactly. Spending 13k on the suspension and cats wont make it a new car. Its still going to be the same 180k mile driven car only it wont have a check engine light and wont sag after parking. There is no fail proofing such thing for the long run. Its the same thing with even toyota. You can replace all your struts and cats but still your alternator or whatever can go bad the next day. Probably wouldnt be as expensive but still. There is a reason why old premium cars are relatively cheap to buy. I had to learn that the hard way when i was young. I bought a bmw and then sold it and i lost all the money i spent buying it. But who cares about these stories. The only way to learn is to have the full experience yourself.
@@lukeblacksmith7422Agreed 100%. For a casual driver, non-mechanic who is in love with a specific model, leasing is the best option. I did my time of fixing my cars but now I just lease new BMWs and don’t have to worry about anything, enjoying new and fresh interiors with excellent ride quality. No repair costs or headaches.
Well worth it. The 957 cayenne is the best they ever made. I own a 2009 GTS
*4 mins or so in w/the first repair estimates.....NOPE. "We're Done Here."
Thanks for the video.
I had a 97 Civic and the shop was nice enough to tell me about the timing belt covers that have seals on them that are supposed to be replaced, but some shops don't replace them. While a failure is not necessarily catastrophic (of the timing belt seals) it could cause issues and contamination if not addressed and there may not be an early warning sign of an issue, so I appreciate them telling me about that as they said to do them when you do the timing belt because the covers are off anyway. People don't realize that on that era of Honda (say up to 2006 when they did away with timing belts and went to chains) that the pump and the belt are not that expensive, maybe $200 tops for both, but it's the labor that is most of the cost because it takes about 5 hours of shop time I think, and at a rate of say $100 per hour, that's about 2/3 or 3/4 of your bill. The older Hondas say from the 80's and 90's may have been faster but some of these cars require a good amount of tear down to get to things like the timing belt and water pump.
0:10 Rev up your Engiiiiiine!
Scotty Kilmer lives forever! so does a 97 celica............
Yes. I've done something similar this year. Used car market is full of cars that need to be fixed anyway, new car market the prices are bonkers.
Wizard,
I agree with refreshing the air suspension but there is no way that this customer should pay $4k+ labor for a new set of cats.
Catalytic converters are just catalyst surfaces that allow incomplete combustion products to reach complete combustion before exiting the exhaust. All catalysts become less efficient as heat cycles and reactions happen, but their surfaces ARE cleanable.
The best method for this is to submerge the cat in a suitable cleaning solution (insert favorite purple cleaner here) and run it for 2-3 cycles in a heated ultrasonic cleaner for 30-60 minutes, then rinse with water and dry with compressed air. Overnight soaking and hose rinsing can work but it takes much longer and is a less complete cleaning.
This is a great service that you could have for your customers and a decent full-stainless heated ultrasonic cleaner only runs about $500-$600. You could charge this customer $1000 plus labor and both of you would come out ahead. This would also get their total bill below $10k; the cleaned cats should outlive the car.
Sincerely,
A chemical engineer who buys and fixes cars that people think are mechanically totaled.
My cat cleans herself at no cost to me🤭😺🙋🏼♂️
@@BubblesTheCat1Just the needed cleanup of hairballs...😮
@larryjohns8823 I've heard about that, but thankfully, mine doesn't make hairballs. Thank goodness🙏🏻🤮
@@BubblesTheCat1 Your cat is what is know in the automotive pecking order as a BALLER!
@@cbotten106 😁🐈⬛🐈👍🏻🙋🏼♂️
The thing about the turbo S though is they’re usually around 20-30k with over 100k miles and about 40-50k with low miles. Honestly, 13k is just the nature of the beast. I have a 2005 turbo, and it’s just one of those things you have to accept before buying. Mine is sitting at 189k. Thankfully it had a pristine service history by the same mechanic since new which means a lot when you are looking at old Cayennes. Never buy one with no service history
If I religiously changed that oil out with full synthetic oil and changed that tranny fluid out regularly and the motor wasn’t using oil I’d spend that in a minute. I’d make sure the underside wasn’t ate up with rust either. Then I could probably get another 5 years out of it and drive my money out of it.
Regarding whether to do the work or mechanically total the vehicle is a tough question. There are a lot of factors that would enter into that equation including, time to and energy to find a replacement car, emotional attachment, unknowns of a new vehicle usage, etc. Leaving emotions and time out of the equation I would spend the money if your shop is doing the work!
Old Euro cars... I have been there with a Land Rover Discovery 4. Mine was mechanically totalled a couple of times. The rational in fixing it was it was more expensive to replace it. BUT there comes a time when you need to cut your losses and I reached that with the Discovery 4. So I took the plunge and brought a new Ford Ranger TDV6 (Australia). Such is life.
There is a reason why land rover bancrupted and is now owned by Indians TATA
@@VerdoVeri Land Rover Jaguar actually improved under Tata control because they put money into the brands. It was will under Ford control it was going bad.
@@VerdoVeriThey never bankrupted but were sold by Ford. Their sales figures have been climbing for decades
If I could afford that vehicle, I would definitely get it fixed proper. I did the same when I purchased my 2000 Jeep Wrangler in 2018. After all the repairs and modifications, it was a totally different vehicle! Still needs some work, but it drives extremely well and is my daily driver.
Owned a 2013 Panamera Turbo which has the same engine. No major issues but they can be definitely expansive to maintain. Sold for a Model S Plaid. At least now I don’t have to worry about emission issues.
i would definitely do it. 181k & still looks good. A good detail & ceramic coating & u have a fine ride
No offense to ms. wizard, but you should really add a skip to the interior review. Your metrics probably show 99% skipping that part.
He should do the interior reviews.
Agreed. Shots were too close up and need some work on the dialogue.
She literally knows nothing about
Very easily skipped with the right android app.
True. Boring.
Usual fault on VAG air suspension is the Aluminium Top caps of the air strut that has corrosion going pass the o-ring. Just detatch and clean up, grease with to avoid corrosion in the future. Cost nothing but the labor and O-ring.
They say you need to keep your VAG lubed.
eBay aftermarket gets you air shocks for $250 and cats for 1300…car has 181k on it and probably won’t go 180k more for other reasons. These parts will get you another 75k+ (personal experience) and make it worth it to do repairs. Trying to make it new again won’t work and make the NEXT issue even more frustrating.
Last thing I’d trust my hard work on is eBay air shocks vs OEM you want to have no doubt they are made with quality in mind
@@cheyenneobregon184 That’s fine, except you won’t be doing the work, because the car will be mechanically totaled. Unless money is no object, you can’t spend $13k on a car that can have a $10k engine problem next week. $2-3k might be worth the risk, is all I’m saying.
@@kerrydrinkwater3823 I see your point
180k, the car is basically done with those issues to the non mechanically inclined person. It goes onto the secondary market where somebody throws one strut, an oil pressure switch and pad slaps the rear brakes. Cats, plenty of areas in the US that do not do emissions testing, so the light is ignored.
Cheap eBay parts like that, they are a waste of time and money. There are some decent sellers, but you have to weed through the direct ship from China and the other parts I would not even bother taking out of the box.
If the cars a keeper then yes, do it all, just did timing chain on my 2016 Inveco Daily, est was $7k including everything, I then advised shop to check everything as they were rebuilding, ask themselves would you this back on your car, I added another grand to the price, belts pulleys etc, at 70 years old I don’t want to be messing about with a broken fan belt in the middle of no where , love the videos
That's a tough choice. That's an expensive car, but I spent $7,000 on my 2001 Ford ranger four-wheel drive with a new transmission because everything else was perfect on it. Yeah, I did it
I love my 7gly 2004 ranger 3 liter 5 speed...reg.cab..
No rust 381k miles...need clutch runs like new..when it stops I'll probably put a rebuilt 3 liter in it and keep it going.
Cheaper than 100 grand on a new one.
I know from experience that if you do the serpentine or timing belt you might as well replace ancillary parts. A water pump driven by the timing belt will cost the same amount of labor to replace as the belt. Spend the extra $200 now and replace it now while the car is apart. Otherwise you'll be paying a 2nd labor charge.
Why not go for aftermarket catalytic converters? They're all over ebay for 2008+ Cayenne Turbos around the $300 price point - for BOTH of them!
Same question for air suspension struts, they're around 500 front / 400-500 rear per pair
Bc they prob won't pass emissions tests and trip the check engine light while putting you in limp mode
@@philipparana9225 looks like the O2 sensors are the only sensors on the cats, and they can be re-used in the new cats. th-cam.com/video/bO03zU_GTBw/w-d-xo.html
Because when you've gotten fleeced as many times as the Wiz has you don't go looking for parts in all the wrong places. Put another way, the harsh sting of experience would preclude him from making that purchase.
Some cars are very sensitive to cats and will continue to throw codes with aftermarket.
The costs may seem excessive for the value of this car. However, to replace it with a newer version would be extremely expensive. Keeping the car on the road is an affordable option when you look at it the replacement vs. repair.
Incredible car. Def worth it. My friend in college purchased one of these (actually his parents in China did. It was epic) without PCCB, and the feeling you got driving it was absolutely epic. So so so damn fun and fast. Luxurious af too!
incredible car? it's a glorified VW touareg.
My friend in CHina purchased a human
Your friend is a spoiled brat
@@jacobt1027 So is Bentley Bentyaga and Urus then. But they are all great luxury vehicles including Touareg.
Love Mrs Wizards wee bit 😊.
I am not a Porsche fan, but if I had owned it for a long time and I knew how it was maintained, I think that, if I had the money, I would repair it. Another one for the same price will probably need the same repairs in the near future.
Absolutely, 100% NOT worth fixing this for $13k. Instead, sell it to me for $3k and I’d be happy to get it out of your way 😂
I watched the whole video and I’d like to revise my offer - I’m a buyer at $5k.
@@JosefSučmadik DING! DING! DING! Give that man a cigar!
If it were mine I'd be happy to sell it to you for $3000. That thing is a money pit from hell.
I have no emissions I can straight pipe it and put the springs on fuck it let’s go 😂 3k
@@darrensanimalsreptilesfish30 That's what I'm talking about! Cut the cats and let it ride! Is it illegal? Yes, I also don't live in a state that tests emissions. Or does any yearly vehicle inspections. I'm a buyer somewhere between $3k-$5k.
Replacing all of the air-springs is just not necessary I believe. It just vastly increase the bill you present to your customer! Your point on just replacing the functioning parts because you don’t know when the others will fail, why not replace/restore the whole car? It may be many reasons other than age to why a part fail.
It seems like Cayennes hold up better than X5s.
It does but if everyone who owns one is dropping $13K on them, you can see why!
X5s hold up like Trump's diaper
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@@jefferyG499 X5's fall apart like Democrat cities...
I bought a 2004 Toyota Sequoia with 175,000 miles on it. I dumped $5,000 into it which included tires, new radiator, fan, belts, timing belt, water pump, ball joints, new headlight units with LEDs, new grill and some other odds and ends here and there. Put in a new head unit and nice seat covers. All in with the purchase price I'm at $11000.00. is that a good ROI? I really don't know, but I do know the vehicle is solid, paid for, and mechanically sorted out. Out of the three cars I own total I would hop in this first during an emergency to get my family wherever we needed to go. So for me spending that kind of money really depends on if you're going to invest in a car payment or invest in major maintenance. Your comfort level, your money, your choice.
Hopefully the frame isn’t rotten. They like to rot out in weird places like from the inside out or above the front wheels. These are not places that are easily visible. Another issue with these is the rear door rusts out. There is no easy way to get a replacement. These vehicles will rust out if driven in salt or rain.
I would delete the air suspension.
But when it works it's so damn gooD !
Maybe one can go for aftermarket air struts. Sometimes they also use the same air struts in other models/manufacturers that don't come with the Porsche price tag. Volkswagen Touareg? Audi Q7 maybe? idk...
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Air struts can be rebuilt. Also arnott air struts are warrantied for 10 years. I just got all new air struts on my Range Rover installed for $2000 including parts and labor
Working hood struts = car is worth saving. Oh and we call those clips "dammits" because you always lose them or break them & say "dammit".
Aren't they only 70$ parts?
Wizard.....the most ethical car mechanic. I wish I had him near to me.
The thing is, this is a German car and German cars aren't known for their high quality components. They are however known for high cost components. At 180,000 miles this will be just the beginning of the expensive issues this thing will have. I say scrap it. I am also suspicious of why a car without a ton of miles needs the cats replaced. I have a Frontier with 433,000 miles on it that is still on it's original cat and exhaust system (and engine, owner) so to me it makes it a questionable vehicle.
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@@pegcity4eva Oil burner?
It’s worth it. I’ve had base models and a 2004 twin turbo v8. Those trucks are work horses!!!!
Everyone, watch the interior review, great info!!
i know it's not the same but i have to throw my two cents in and yes i know its rather late.
i work on school buses and we have gasoline engines on some of those buses, when we get the bank one or bank two below efficiency codes we replace the 02 oxygen sensors that usually fixes the problem again my two cents and yes it's a porshe not a school bus.
for what ever sports/exotic/classic car you lust after, "If you can't afford a new one, you certainly cannot afford a used one!"
Before proceeding with repairs take a look inside the cylinders. Would suck to find out it needs cylinder sleeves too after the repairs.
You can get a lifted Cayenne Turbo with monster tires for less than 13k now. Software gives you even more insane power. Bonkers!! Here's one for SEVEN GRAND
Totally disagree with your air strut assessment. I have OEM air struts on my 06 struts with over 200K miles on the vehicle. Yes - always use OEM to fix them, but I'd just replace the one strut......maybe both of the aftermarket front struts with OEM, and leave the rear struts alone. OEM Porsche struts aren't water pumps and they can still be replaced later. You're not spending more money by delaying that job in the rear later.
The air suspension would be better changed for a coilover set, cheaper and better in my opinion.
From what I read about the Mercedes coilover conversions, they were almost as good as the air suspension. I'm considering a set for my S500L 4-matic.
@@Munakas-wq3gp I have a set of Arnott coilers for my E55 and I love them
@@erikrezlman7900 I bought Arnott struts for the S500 a few years ago for about 3300 bucks + labour but now the suspension is collapsed. No leaks detected. The only item not replaced is the valve block and that should arrive tomorrow. If that won't fix the problem I will probably make the coilover conversion.
Some Arnott air struts are rebuildable
There’s also Strutmasters or retrofit some VW parts if that’s possible… find a software delete somehow. Strutmasters has it figured out probably…
I have one of these, same color, black and havana interior, 190,000 miles. I use it as a road trip car. I think there were 309 units shipped to North America that year. They are pretty rare.
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I have a 2008 Base Manual Cayenne with 192,000 miles, still going strong. If I could afford to maintain a Turbo I'd get that though!
THE POINT IS, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE ORIGINAL COST IS THE $13K. A USED PC AT THIS MILEAGE MAY NEED SUSPENSION, TRANSMISSION, ENGINE, FUEL SYS, BRAKES, ETC, ETC WORK SOON !!!
Thanks, we're all deaf now.
You are a font of aggressive font.
I spend $7k to fix my e53 4.4 x5 myself. I have heated leather seats, steering wheel, a nice V8, plenty of power and an interior much nicer than modern BMWs with all the tech. Totally worth it.
In Europe these Cayennes are dirt cheap used. Now you know why...
They're not "dirt cheap." Stop spreading bs.
Well, if they are buying the castoffs from the greater K.C. area, we now know why.
with that milage engine transmission wise anything can happen... vvt, crack bearings, main seals, water pump, alternator, ac compressor, etc. etc. cheap for a reason... would loved it as project car.
Well, yeah....Fabspeed. They are not cheap! There must be another aftermarket solution such as RandomTech cats that can be welded in.
These cars are great vehicles, but they have their mechanical quirks, such as the driveshaft carrier bearing that tends to fail quickly. I've never liked the brushed metal strips next to the side windows. If I had one of these, I'd remove or cover them.
Ceramic brakes are silly. The rotors last a long time, but they can also break in some circumstances due to contact with road debris. And they are about $2500 per rotor to replace, and that is just the part cost! And they are not recommended for track use so what is the point?
Great video!
I think it’s worth it because I can guarantee if you buy a used one it’s gonna have at least 3k of stuff to fix, unless he wants a newer car. But luxury vehicles are expensive to maintain, it’s just part of what makes them special if you’re not willing to maintain them but a cheaper car, or one without a turbo or without air suspension.
WHY does anyone buy such cars?
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Because they can
You should drive one for a while anf then you will understand. Porshe and Audi both will ruin you for what you think a driving experience should be. Most vehicles today are just washing machines with wheels and tablet screens.
Because that’s a beast and is no ordinary car
Because Uncle Joe used to give him rides in the backseat of his 911. Porsche winning Le Mans. Or a million other reasons. But they are being sold to actual people. Unless you think....aliens?👽