DD always thinks he's the smartest person in the room. I've yet to hear him in a situation where that was the case. He's a sophist of the highest degree.
@@Winslow920 An ad hominem is a very specific logical fallacy. My comment doesn't fall under that category. I didn't say anything about Darth's argument. Just because you don't care for the comment doesn't make it something it's not. I simply stated what I find to be the case. But, even if you consider it an insult that doesn't automatically make it an ad hominem. There's a difference.
@@Winslow920 no, it's insults. Ad hom would entail OP saying darth's beliefs are wrong because darth is a gaping, salty vag. That's not what he was saying. He's saying darth is, his beliefs aside. You follow?
@@lightbeforethetunnel Circular reasoning. There are numerous claims regarding gods. No evidence though. You may attribute this to poor intellectual capacity, what's your best evidence for your god claim?
When I hear DD. I find myself conflicted about the possible existence of a ‘god’. The fact that he is such a bad faith actor. I struggle to think a deity wouldn’t strike him down for representing its position so badly and pushing others from that position. Yet alternately, the sheer amount of charity and patience that his interlocutors show him when they give him time to speak and waste their time. Borders on the supernatural.
These comments are all just ad homs or else they just demonstrate misunderstanding, yet you all think they're knock-down posts. For example, the Christian worldview states the Christian God gave humans Free Will to sin if they want to. So even if your personal attacks at Darth are correct, it wouldn't follow that God would strike Darth down for it. Nor would it follow that Presup is false.
If Darth doesn’t understand Rodi’s “gobbledygook” why is he getting angry and interrupting Rodi while he’s explaining his position? Because he does understand Rodi’s argument and he’s desperate to prevent Rodi from presenting the argument for everyone to judge. Darth knows that if he keeps calling it gobbledygook then he won’t have to address it. Isn’t lying a sin, Darth?
Bingo. He does this often. If he has mod powers himself he’ll kick the person much sooner than this and give the patented “This is what they always do” speech. Darth is the Trump of apologetics.
Darth's position relies solely upon the assertion that there is some actual meaning to the term "revelation", which is yet to be argued for. A book is just a book and the fact that there is a world is only a fact that there is a world. There's no "revelation" to be found in any of these cases. Also, as Rodi says, it is very hard to understand how a mind could be a universal absolute without tinkering with what is understood with the term "mind".
I love how darth imploads when you use his exact script but just replace god with the universe. Such a dishonest person. No one interrupts more or cries about others interrupting more. I dont think he even realizes when people use his script against him and darth thinks is rediculous, THATS THE POINT.
When that’s pointed out Darth just calls it ‘the white swan fallacy’ just because you’ve never seen a mind that is non contingent doesn’t mean there’s not one.
@@davids11131113 which is an argument ad ignorantum, shifting the burden of proof onto the person disbelieving the claim. Darth claims that it's true until proven untrue, which is fallacious.
I love how DD tries so hard to make his unsubstantiated presuppositional premises a thing one must accept in order to argue against him, and how anyone not falling for it just won't accept them! Darth "Fucktard" Dawkins fails again.
While the obvious problem with "philosophical conversation" with DeeDee is that he doesn't know the basics of normal conversation, another fatal problem is that he doesn't know the basics of philosophy. This video is a great example of DeeDee missing the basics of logic. Rodi lays out a valid _reductio ad absurdum_ argument, sometimes called "proof by contradiction." The argument functions by showing how some proposition necessarily leads to a contradiction, so therefore the proposition must be false. DeeDee gleefully points out that Rodi's argument is "incoherent," meaning that it contains a contradiction! Well, duh! THAT'S what a proof by contradiction is. DeeDee couldn't make it to the first midterm exam in a high-school level logic class.
When Darth can’t refute something he just kicks people from the room. He has to control people in the discussion and when he can’t, he just throws a fit.
Is Darth Smarter Than A Fifth Grader??? Well, we might never know. He's likely to quit halfway through the event and leave, screaming about how the judges and other contestants kept overtalking him
Did he get to 5th grade. His abusiveness and bullying would have had him expelled far earlier, probably as a preschooler. Like a foaming at the mouth rabid narcissist he has learnt nothing since.
The fact that there is no apparent god much less a need for one pretty much speaks for itself. Just because there is a word such as "atheist" to describe those who appeal to that reality does not lend the position any less credence. All anyone claiming the contrary has to do is demonstrate said god and atheism is done for. Still waiting.
Darth's real problem is that his interlocutors ARE actually listening carefully...and that he thinks patronising them with this demand will somehow make his fucked up arguments more coherent.
@@holygore Uh huh. As a presupper myself, I know the extent to which the average atheist debater listens. They tend to ignore pretty much everything they don't like or immediately understand (which is virtually every thing we argue)
Another problem with “God’s Mind”: each thought is caused by a previous thought, what means a infinite cause-effect chain since he is eternal in the past. And if you say the thoughts are not caused by other things, then we must conclude the thoughts are just random!!
I presuppose there isn’t a god. There can only be truth if there is no god. To believe in a god is irrational. You may not believe me, but you’d be irrational if you didn’t. Until you remove the filter of your irrational world view, you cannot see the truth. Happy to help you, Darth, when/if you are ever ready.
Yea the only acceptable not-God world is a world where there’s a god just like Darths….which we have no idea what it actually is besides it just accounts for and explains everything.
If I were to have to debate darth, I would always refuse to accept his definition of God because it doesn't match the definition of God used in the terms theist and atheist. Therefore, these terms do not apply to this definition of God. So darth always makes a category fallacy every time he asserts this god.
10:50 "We aren't defining god into existence, we are merely saying god is the one and only absolute" That's exactly WTF you're doing!!!! Defining god into existence!! Honestly..Darth can barely follow his own assertions. He never says he's making an argument. He just gets-off on saying "your not understanding" as many times as possible.
Not to mention how many time he says "by definition" ... It has to be done with intent. It seems in troll like fashion he get's a kick out of being so obviously contradictory and obnoxious done to provoke a negative reaction from others. Saying you are not defining something into existence while you use "by definition" as a defense over and over makes you want to slap him about the neck and face.
I don't see what's so hard to understand about how the beginning of something is simple and not complex. You don't learn physics until you understand basic arithmetic. Yoy don't build a car until you understand combustion and gasses. I love how they use big sounding meaningless words to confuse and then try to act like you're dumb for not understanding. But when you use simple words and they don't understand, it's still you with the problem. I swear the only tool they have is projection. It's embarassingly bad.
@@Winslow920 You may be right. But when I was a devout Christian, till I was 40, I would have been highly offended that someone would represent my God in this manner. I haven't read anyone saying this before, yet it is quite a glaring take-a-way, nonetheless, so I am not surprised :)
Rodi: ...and that's why God doesn't exist Darth: no you just admitted your reasoning is incoherent Rodi: no, that's not- Darth: SHAAAAT APPPP and let me preach! I'm right, you're wrong. Be a good boy and eat some Spaghetti-O's or something Me: wow. What a... ahem... good Christian man
In Darth's mind, if he's yelling and ranting like a lunatic, he wins. If the other guy is yelling and ranting like a lunatic, that guy's crazy and he wins. If he rage quits, he wins because his presence is a gift to mankind (Absolute narcissistic trait). If the other guy rage quits, that guy's a total loser. If other people mute or kick him, it's because they are cowards with no argument. If he mutes or kicks other people, it's because they're "just trolls". He will refuse to debate anyone his own size like Jack Angstreich (someone who will effectively bully him back). He thinks people should not be "argumentative" in a debate, and he thinks screaming "don't overtalk me" is a mature way to deal with being interrupted.
Hell jesse was in there rubbing Darths balls with a mink glove…. ‘OK Darth since RODI has not had a chance to lay out his position, would you like to do it for him?’ ….. WOW
Ah the standard presupp tap out, shifting to the “How do you know” line of lame bickering, Darth must be into S and M because he keeps getting destroyed yet keeps coming back for more
1: If I remember correctly, the creator-creature distinction was one of van Til's feeble tricks to 'demonstrate' that Man and God are similar but never identical. It thereby presupposes the existence of gods as well as the act of creation and as argument is therefore a circular fallacy. Furthermore, the distinction claims to explain why the intelligibility of life, the universe and everything is by definition not accessible to Man thereby demonstrating that Diaper Dontovertalkme claiming to know god in all her intricacies is not human. 2: "By what means do you know etc...." bounces right back at DD and then you get the non-informative answer "by special and general revelation" which always makes me laugh. Next. 🤣
so basically, Darth defines God as a necessary being without actually supporting his claim as to how God is defined. Then Darth tries to use that unsupported definition of God to brow beat R0DI. Just complete dishonesty on Darth's part.
Durthy always has to complain about what somebody is doing, right after Durthy already did that same thing. He complains about Rodi's commentary after he himself spent several minutes saying that this is how all of Rodi's interactions go.
Why don't they shut this prick down? No interruptions? Okay, but that goes both ways. Non-stop questions? Well, stop and answer some yourself because by Darth's own measure he could be justifying Islam. He has more to answer for than an Athiest.
The same hilarious bullshit where someone who doesn’t agree with Darth is just not understanding Darth. So he repeats and repeats and repeats to program his audience to believe his opponent doesn’t understand him, as opposed to just disagreeing with him.
Category error huh?...So would you say that Darth is pleading that his god is special? Honestly, Darth gets very defensive when people point out that placing God in the transcendental necessity category is special pleading. He'll swear that it's not, but if God is both necessary and exists outside the physical world, he _would_ be exempt from objections that could be raised against other entities. Still, no matter how you spin it, it would fit the definition of special pleading. So, why not answer honestly and say, yes, my God is special? My guess is Darth knows taking that route would commit him to having to provide an argument for both the necessary nature and transcendent properties of God. It's much easier for him to just assert they're definitional and throw a bitch fit if the person he's talking to pushes back on it.
Very one sided modding. Darth can interupt as much as he wants and when the other pushes back the mod said "Darth let him finish. He's wrong but let him finish"
Well technically a mod isn’t supposed to be there agreeing or disagreeing and taking 1 side or the other which clearly was happening the mod in this case and most others is really just Darths guard dog.
Darth: What is it that's a non agent, non communicative concrete universal that all things derive and depend upon, seeing as you dont know it exclusively by reason or sense perception. Also Darth: I don't need gobbledygook. Answer me so a fifth grader could understand.😂
Why does anyone platform Darth? You're never going to get a decent, useful, argument with him around. No one of any ability is going to subject themselves to that much of a pointless waste of breath.
10:00 This is the worst moderator ever. He just said that Rodi hasn't had the opportunity to speak on his own and then on the next statement asked Darth to continue speaking. A good moderator would have said since Rodi hasn't had enough time to speak on his own, he would then allow Rodi to speak.
18:52 It is so funny that Darth doesn't understand that he is being told the "revealed to me" argument. You would think that a guy who uses the "it's revealed through a flower" argument would not know that argument is being used against him but with different words.
I want to have my own dictionary full of words that only i known to get mad when people don't know definitions they have no way to know, been like darth sounds really fun.
@@antediluvianatheist5262 duct tape him to a chair and only allow him to answer yes or no/ only talk about Jesus and his beliefs. He’d crumble so fast, hell, no need to the duct tape, dudes allergic to Jesus and will never want to talk about him
Fart's god, I mean Darth's god, is absurd at the very foundation. But he wants his definition to stand despite being incoherent. I don't understand why you stay with this idiot for such long times.
If minds are contingent (as they are) then they cannot be ultimate. For Darth to say God is a noncontingent mind is to equivocate on the word mind. In our universe, an efficient cause always acts upon a material cause. For Darth to say God is an efficient cause that creates the material cause is to equivocate on the word causation. Ultimately Darth's special pleading explains nothing and, in fact, only deepens the quandry unnecessarily.
Your problem regarding the topic of minds is, you're taking what theists say about God, then you're critiquing it as if what theists said about that topic are univocal statements about God. And that's not the case. We can only speak analogically about God from our finite and ignorant perspectives. As humans, who probably don't even possess one percent of all the knowledge that is possible, regarding the reality of God. When we say, the mind of God, that refers to the supremely rational and mind like, transcendentally necessary ultimacy. And you cannot critique that negatively, because you don't know what the full nature of that is. You have practically nothing to work with for a critique! Due to the hiddenness of God, and how God operates mysteriously, apparently. _For Darth to say God is an efficient cause_ That's not a univocal statement about God. Its analogical. _that creates the material cause is to equivocate on the word causation._ That's a non sequitur. We haven't answered the question of what is the nature of God and God's creative actions. _special pleading explains nothing_ There is no special pleading. You don't even have a coherent critique to begin with. _and in fact only deepens the quandary unnecessarily._ That's a non sequitur.
@@ChessArmyCommander So blah blah blah, we made it all up and theres no way of telling what is reality! Is that what your saying? I mean, we gave god a mind but no dick and balls? Seems unfair. Poor thing.
@@ChessArmyCommander You’ve just laid out the argument that you believe in something that you can neither explain nor understand yet it is the foundation of your worldview. Congrats. You have no idea what it means for God to be a mind. You have no idea what it means for a mind to create a physical universe. Your belief explains nothing.
Assigning so many unsubstantiated qualities to an agent that is not even known to exist other then claims in ancient texts found in a cave is silly at best. How does Darth not realize his position is silly at best? Other then the entertainment value we all get mocking and ridiculing the silliness?
@@ternuscleargullyiii8154 You would think it irrational to presuppose anything other then facts exist unless you can present more then argument. And being his arguments are so weak and contradictory makes you wonder if he is doing this with any other intent then to annoy.
Its funny because even if Darth was able to demonstrate that Brodis' or anyone's position is incoherent that still doesn't get you to the existence of God let alone the Christian God. Gods existence or non existence does not depend on what any of us believe.
A concrete universal can be a mind like ishgabobleslerfingshins can be a mind or a concrete universal for that matter. Because we do not even know if a concrete universal exists much less if it does it has to be a disembodied mind seems a really huge jump to that from it must be something we call "god".
What’s wrong with multiple absolutes? I would suggest that the forces of physics are absolutes, and they do not effect each-other, rather, they effect other things (matter), and the stronger of any set of forces wins out (or combines together) to determine the results.
Universal structure = reality He’s saying reality is absolute A mind can’t exist without an absolute God is a mind God can’t exist Also, “how do you know that?” Is not a rebuttal or an argument. We could play that game with god also. How do you know god is absolute? Darth will say “by definition” which is the same answer the other guy gave. Also! You don’t need communication to derive attributes. A watermelon is green on the outside and red on the inside. Did the watermelon communicate that to me?
DD always thinks he's the smartest person in the room. I've yet to hear him in a situation where that was the case. He's a sophist of the highest degree.
How original. Ad homs.
@@Winslow920 An ad hominem is a very specific logical fallacy. My comment doesn't fall under that category. I didn't say anything about Darth's argument. Just because you don't care for the comment doesn't make it something it's not. I simply stated what I find to be the case. But, even if you consider it an insult that doesn't automatically make it an ad hominem. There's a difference.
@@Winslow920 no, it's insults. Ad hom would entail OP saying darth's beliefs are wrong because darth is a gaping, salty vag. That's not what he was saying. He's saying darth is, his beliefs aside. You follow?
@@steppingrazor9685 Sadly enough he's clearly suffering from NPD.
@@Winslow920
Darth must be very original then.
Good work Gary .. your 0% winning streak is still in tact.
DD is such a miserable human being. Defining a god into existence doesn't make it real. His script is getting really old.
Hard to expect much more from an angry old bigot who seems to have a vendetta against humanity not much unlike this "god" he defines into existence.
@@lightbeforethetunnel So, what makes a god real then?
@@lightbeforethetunnel Nothing of what you stated makes a god real.
@@lightbeforethetunnel Circular reasoning. There are numerous claims regarding gods. No evidence though. You may attribute this to poor intellectual capacity, what's your best evidence for your god claim?
@NollÅtta Cykel he doesn't have any. Just asserts "reductio ad absurdum" is enough, tho it's clearly not.
When I hear DD. I find myself conflicted about the possible existence of a ‘god’. The fact that he is such a bad faith actor. I struggle to think a deity wouldn’t strike him down for representing its position so badly and pushing others from that position.
Yet alternately, the sheer amount of charity and patience that his interlocutors show him when they give him time to speak and waste their time. Borders on the supernatural.
To paraphrase- if god were all powerful, he would not allow such a shit person to represent him.
It's not charity that gives DD time to speak. He demands it and if he doesn't get it, his interlocutors are deceitful and horrible people.
Darth made me a skeptic 🤨
These comments are all just ad homs or else they just demonstrate misunderstanding, yet you all think they're knock-down posts.
For example, the Christian worldview states the Christian God gave humans Free Will to sin if they want to. So even if your personal attacks at Darth are correct, it wouldn't follow that God would strike Darth down for it. Nor would it follow that Presup is false.
@Mr Slithers you're an ad hom
"Sssthingular."
The moderator “both of you guys” WTF are you deluded? Oh wait, yes!!!
If Darth doesn’t understand Rodi’s “gobbledygook” why is he getting angry and interrupting Rodi while he’s explaining his position?
Because he does understand Rodi’s argument and he’s desperate to prevent Rodi from presenting the argument for everyone to judge. Darth knows that if he keeps calling it gobbledygook then he won’t have to address it.
Isn’t lying a sin, Darth?
He's getting angry and interrupting because he's an asshole.
Bingo. He does this often. If he has mod powers himself he’ll kick the person much sooner than this and give the patented “This is what they always do” speech.
Darth is the Trump of apologetics.
Yep it’s not that what RODI is saying is gobbledegook, Darth just can’t understand it, he’s dimwitted.
I don`t define god into existence??
That is exactly what DD does
You can know the Universal Structure exists the same way you know the Sun exists.
Communication is not necessary.
LOL
...And the mods do nothing about DD's bad behavior.
There's a history of him just creating an ultimatum that you either dont use mods against him, or he whines and leaves like a child
@@jmike2039 Absolutely. I couldn't agree more.
Dawkins is the king of "shifted burden of proof"
Rodi basically saying it was revealed to him and darth can’t handle that. I’m dead lol
How do you know this rock exists? Did it communicate to you?
‘We’re not defining god into existence, we’re just saying God is the thing which necessarily exists’ …. OHHH ok Darth thanks for making that clear. 🙄
Waiter .... We're gonna need some extra croutons to go with all of this Word Salad please !!
Poor sad little Gary Milne humiliated himself again
Yes. We're all good at something!
I guess according to Darth, filibuster = explaining your position.
Darth, I’m rubber you’re glue, anything you can do my god can do better.
the universal negative would only apply if the atheist was making a claim
In Darth's mind if your view doesn't necessitate or rules out god then it is incoherent by default.
Darth's position relies solely upon the assertion that there is some actual meaning to the term "revelation", which is yet to be argued for. A book is just a book and the fact that there is a world is only a fact that there is a world. There's no "revelation" to be found in any of these cases. Also, as Rodi says, it is very hard to understand how a mind could be a universal absolute without tinkering with what is understood with the term "mind".
Transcendent ultimate brain matter....
Darth would resort to special pleading… gods mind isn’t like our minds…. Or something
@@hueyfreeman4366
That's the key advantage that they always have. God can be just anything they like. The dishonesty never counts.
And it’s pretty obvious that Ding Dong uses “category error” as a catchall and doesn’t actually know what category error means.
You can just hear it from n this Rodi is wailing on Darths argument so Darth just keeps yelling ‘CATEGORY ERROR!’ it’s just so weak.
All Rodi has to say he has special revelation from the concrete universal.
I love how darth imploads when you use his exact script but just replace god with the universe. Such a dishonest person. No one interrupts more or cries about others interrupting more. I dont think he even realizes when people use his script against him and darth thinks is rediculous, THATS THE POINT.
Darth's presupposition is that all things must be orchestrated from the top down. It likely is formed from the bottom up and needs no overall control.
Jesse is the master of semantics .
Minds are definitionally contingent, therefore god cannot be a mind. Darth is phenomenally stupid.
When that’s pointed out Darth just calls it ‘the white swan fallacy’ just because you’ve never seen a mind that is non contingent doesn’t mean there’s not one.
@@davids11131113 which is an argument ad ignorantum, shifting the burden of proof onto the person disbelieving the claim. Darth claims that it's true until proven untrue, which is fallacious.
@@dustanddeath3985 Oh yea of course.
"I'm right because I'm right, so I'm right" is all it is
I’d like to hear from Darth how he thinks a mind acts upon physical material.
Which part are u rodi
I love how DD tries so hard to make his unsubstantiated presuppositional premises a thing one must accept in order to argue against him, and how anyone not falling for it just won't accept them! Darth "Fucktard" Dawkins fails again.
God is absolute perfection, God doesn't have to have a mind.
Is that your position?
What a ridiculous post. I bet you can't support your own childish claims can you?
What?
@Fredrik Sundberg I assume you're talking to mickey
@@nickjones5435 Talking to what Mickey?
lol what a god moderator.
“Hang on guys since rodi hasn’t had a chance to talk, Darth could you just explain…”
This happens at 10 minutes
He's not a moderator. He's an accomplice.
@@xensonar9652exactly.
Exactly
@@lumpheadthump exactly
While the obvious problem with "philosophical conversation" with DeeDee is that he doesn't know the basics of normal conversation, another fatal problem is that he doesn't know the basics of philosophy.
This video is a great example of DeeDee missing the basics of logic.
Rodi lays out a valid _reductio ad absurdum_ argument, sometimes called "proof by contradiction." The argument functions by showing how some proposition necessarily leads to a contradiction, so therefore the proposition must be false.
DeeDee gleefully points out that Rodi's argument is "incoherent," meaning that it contains a contradiction! Well, duh! THAT'S what a proof by contradiction is.
DeeDee couldn't make it to the first midterm exam in a high-school level logic class.
With Darth, it’s ALL about the abuse session!
When Darth can’t refute something he just kicks people from the room. He has to control people in the discussion and when he can’t, he just throws a fit.
Yup, scratch an apologist and you'll find an authoritarian. Sometimes you don't even have to scratch.
The biggest takeaway from this clip is that Darth didn't pass 5th grade. That explains a lot.
Is Darth Smarter Than A Fifth Grader???
Well, we might never know. He's likely to quit halfway through the event and leave, screaming about how the judges and other contestants kept overtalking him
Did he get to 5th grade. His abusiveness and bullying would have had him expelled far earlier, probably as a preschooler. Like a foaming at the mouth rabid narcissist he has learnt nothing since.
But he’s perfectly free to overtalk whenever he feels like it.
9:55 Since Rodi hasn't had a chance to speak, Darth, can you speak more please?
Yea damn! 🤣
Great modding, since rodi hasn't really had a chance to talk on his own Darth can you explain...
‘Darth, since Rodi hasn’t had a chance to speak, can you speak some more please Darth? Slurp? SlurpSlurp?’
Darth wants it explained for a 5th grader, but Darth's understanding is below a 5th grade level.
The only thing Darth learned from the 5th grade was being taped to the cafeteria lunch table.
@@davids11131113 I would have thought it was being pissed on. He sure used to mention that alot. Oh, and deficated on.
@@SeverelyGlitchy
Lol they must have been queuing up.😂
Believing in a god is childish so it makes sense
The fact that there is no apparent god much less a need for one pretty much speaks for itself. Just because there is a word such as "atheist" to describe those who appeal to that reality does not lend the position any less credence. All anyone claiming the contrary has to do is demonstrate said god and atheism is done for. Still waiting.
So? Why should I give a shit that you don't believe something? Do you go out of your way to disprove people who think the world is upside down?
Darth's real problem is that his interlocutors ARE actually listening carefully...and that he thinks patronising them with this demand will somehow make his fucked up arguments more coherent.
Riiiight....
@@lightbeforethetunnelthey areeee….
@@holygore Uh huh. As a presupper myself, I know the extent to which the average atheist debater listens. They tend to ignore pretty much everything they don't like or immediately understand (which is virtually every thing we argue)
@@lightbeforethetunnelcool story loser.
@@lightbeforethetunnel Can you make us understand flat Earth?
Another problem with “God’s Mind”: each thought is caused by a previous thought, what means a infinite cause-effect chain since he is eternal in the past. And if you say the thoughts are not caused by other things, then we
must conclude the thoughts are just random!!
I presuppose there isn’t a god.
There can only be truth if there is no god.
To believe in a god is irrational.
You may not believe me, but you’d be irrational if you didn’t.
Until you remove the filter of your irrational world view, you cannot see the truth.
Happy to help you, Darth, when/if you are ever ready.
He gets so mad when he can’t control the flow of the discourse.
In a not god world there’re no gods. Why does Gary keep asking for one?
Yea the only acceptable not-God world is a world where there’s a god just like Darths….which we have no idea what it actually is besides it just accounts for and explains everything.
If I were to have to debate darth, I would always refuse to accept his definition of God because it doesn't match the definition of God used in the terms theist and atheist. Therefore, these terms do not apply to this definition of God. So darth always makes a category fallacy every time he asserts this god.
10:50 "We aren't defining god into existence, we are merely saying god is the one and only absolute"
That's exactly WTF you're doing!!!! Defining god into existence!!
Honestly..Darth can barely follow his own assertions. He never says he's making an argument. He just gets-off on saying "your not understanding" as many times as possible.
Not to mention how many time he says "by definition" ... It has to be done with intent. It seems in troll like fashion he get's a kick out of being so obviously contradictory and obnoxious done to provoke a negative reaction from others. Saying you are not defining something into existence while you use "by definition" as a defense over and over makes you want to slap him about the neck and face.
I don't see what's so hard to understand about how the beginning of something is simple and not complex.
You don't learn physics until you understand basic arithmetic. Yoy don't build a car until you understand combustion and gasses.
I love how they use big sounding meaningless words to confuse and then try to act like you're dumb for not understanding. But when you use simple words and they don't understand, it's still you with the problem.
I swear the only tool they have is projection. It's embarassingly bad.
It's pure irony; every time Darth does one of these, he creates way more atheists than converts!
There's an atheist saying this same thing under every single video.
@@Winslow920 You may be right. But when I was a devout Christian, till I was 40, I would have been highly offended that someone would represent my God in this manner. I haven't read anyone saying this before, yet it is quite a glaring take-a-way, nonetheless, so I am not surprised :)
@Mr Slithers once darth stops doing that, we'll stop getting excited about it.
Honestly doubt he creates anything. Theists or atheists 🤣
@@andreaskarlsson5251 good point!
Did darth just admit that his god concept is incoherent? That’s what I heard
Was he accidently honest? Even that is hard to believe with that a-hole.
He did admit that he has the mentality and/or education of a fifth grader.
@@lordlaughypants5889 Darth needs things explained to him as if he’s a 5th grader…..and I’m sure most 5th graders are sharper than Darth.
@@lordlaughypants5889 Darth did say ‘I have this teenage mentality’ … it explains a lot.
Rodi: ...and that's why God doesn't exist
Darth: no you just admitted your reasoning is incoherent
Rodi: no, that's not-
Darth: SHAAAAT APPPP and let me preach! I'm right, you're wrong. Be a good boy and eat some Spaghetti-O's or something
Me: wow. What a... ahem... good Christian man
Dude could write a masterclass in projection
Darth lost then threw a toddler tantrum as usual.
In Darth's mind, if he's yelling and ranting like a lunatic, he wins. If the other guy is yelling and ranting like a lunatic, that guy's crazy and he wins. If he rage quits, he wins because his presence is a gift to mankind (Absolute narcissistic trait). If the other guy rage quits, that guy's a total loser. If other people mute or kick him, it's because they are cowards with no argument. If he mutes or kicks other people, it's because they're "just trolls". He will refuse to debate anyone his own size like Jack Angstreich (someone who will effectively bully him back). He thinks people should not be "argumentative" in a debate, and he thinks screaming "don't overtalk me" is a mature way to deal with being interrupted.
So hes some kind of goofball?
He's a role model of how to not have any friends
@@FrikkinLazer this comment was so funny I almost spit water all over my desk
Well, at least DD is polite. Lol
Yes he plays a game of heads he wins tails you lose .
Even when Rodi politely asks to speak uninterrupted DD shits his pants because Rodi isn’t Giving him the amount of deference DD demands.
Jesse is very bad at modding
Yeh he’s so bias
Hell jesse was in there rubbing Darths balls with a mink glove…. ‘OK Darth since RODI has not had a chance to lay out his position, would you like to do it for him?’ ….. WOW
He wasn't modding, he was ball-gargling.
Ah the standard presupp tap out, shifting to the “How do you know” line of lame bickering, Darth must be into S and M because he keeps getting destroyed yet keeps coming back for more
"What you always do" is a euphemism for "I don't understand and feel embarrassed"
1: If I remember correctly, the creator-creature distinction was one of van Til's feeble tricks to 'demonstrate' that Man and God are similar but never identical. It thereby presupposes the existence of gods as well as the act of creation and as argument is therefore a circular fallacy. Furthermore, the distinction claims to explain why the intelligibility of life, the universe and everything is by definition not accessible to Man thereby demonstrating that Diaper Dontovertalkme claiming to know god in all her intricacies is not human.
2: "By what means do you know etc...." bounces right back at DD and then you get the non-informative answer "by special and general revelation" which always makes me laugh.
Next. 🤣
Maybe someone should ask him how he can tell the difference between revelation and a bone pressing on his brain.
Darth knows he got beat. It's tasty
so basically, Darth defines God as a necessary being without actually supporting his claim as to how God is defined. Then Darth tries to use that unsupported definition of God to brow beat R0DI. Just complete dishonesty on Darth's part.
Hahahahaha “Explain to me in a way a 5 year old would understand… (proceeds to use philosophical words in his question)”
Yea it’s hard to deal with Darth and his 5th grade level (at best) intellect.
Another day another instance of darth running away
10:00 ‘OK Darth since Lodi has not had a chance to speak would you like to continue on speaking m’kay? Slurpslurpslurp’
Exactly what happened
Dd is such an old sideshow what a joke
And Jesse exposes the fact that he’s a Darth shill, therefore Darth isn’t without mod powers. As usual he’s just modding by proxy.
He's a terrible excuse for a human being.
Amen!
NPD.
Darth once again does what he always does: motormouths & talks-over & interrupts ad nauseam. This is what cowards do.
Rodi: can I talk?
Darth: you know what? You're rude.
Me: Pot, meet Kettle...
Durthy always has to complain about what somebody is doing, right after Durthy already did that same thing.
He complains about Rodi's commentary after he himself spent several minutes saying that this is how all of Rodi's interactions go.
Why don't they shut this prick down? No interruptions? Okay, but that goes both ways. Non-stop questions? Well, stop and answer some yourself because by Darth's own measure he could be justifying Islam. He has more to answer for than an Athiest.
Definitions made by man do not tell the true Reality does
Has Darth ever won a debate? Other than deflecting and insulting, what is the point of him? An utterly vile human being.
Well darth is good at rhetoric. He does walk all over unprepared atheists. Those who know philosophy, he tends to block because they embarrass him
He "wins" debates in the same way pigeons win chess matches.
The same hilarious bullshit where someone who doesn’t agree with Darth is just not understanding Darth. So he repeats and repeats and repeats to program his audience to believe his opponent doesn’t understand him, as opposed to just disagreeing with him.
"Thats a category error". At this point they should print it on shirts.
Category error huh?...So would you say that Darth is pleading that his god is special?
Honestly, Darth gets very defensive when people point out that placing God in the transcendental necessity category is special pleading. He'll swear that it's not, but if God is both necessary and exists outside the physical world, he _would_ be exempt from objections that could be raised against other entities. Still, no matter how you spin it, it would fit the definition of special pleading. So, why not answer honestly and say, yes, my God is special?
My guess is Darth knows taking that route would commit him to having to provide an argument for both the necessary nature and transcendent properties of God. It's much easier for him to just assert they're definitional and throw a bitch fit if the person he's talking to pushes back on it.
“You need to explain that to me.”
*starts to explain*
(Immediate interruption to halt the explanation)
Very one sided modding.
Darth can interupt as much as he wants and when the other pushes back the mod said
"Darth let him finish. He's wrong but let him finish"
Yea I don’t see how he was ‘wrong’ either but that was supposed;y just settled upon.
Wrong because Darth and the mod disagree
Well technically a mod isn’t supposed to be there agreeing or disagreeing and taking 1 side or the other which clearly was happening the mod in this case and most others is really just Darths guard dog.
Darth: What is it that's a non agent, non communicative concrete universal that all things derive and depend upon, seeing as you dont know it exclusively by reason or sense perception.
Also Darth: I don't need gobbledygook. Answer me so a fifth grader could understand.😂
“Listen carefully”= just let me talk and don’t question. 😅
Why does anyone platform Darth? You're never going to get a decent, useful, argument with him around. No one of any ability is going to subject themselves to that much of a pointless waste of breath.
They’re his own rooms
“God doesn’t exist because God is incoherent & your reasoning is fallacious”…
I love it!!!
I wonder how much Darth pays the moderators.
10:00 This is the worst moderator ever. He just said that Rodi hasn't had the opportunity to speak on his own and then on the next statement asked Darth to continue speaking. A good moderator would have said since Rodi hasn't had enough time to speak on his own, he would then allow Rodi to speak.
18:52 It is so funny that Darth doesn't understand that he is being told the "revealed to me" argument. You would think that a guy who uses the "it's revealed through a flower" argument would not know that argument is being used against him but with different words.
Has DD decided what he is going to do when he grows up? I hope it doesn't involve children, the elderly or food.
I want to have my own dictionary full of words that only i known to get mad when people don't know definitions they have no way to know, been like darth sounds really fun.
Terrible moderating.
Textbook understatement.
To have a discussion with this guy, you would HAVE to insist on muting the other person whenever someone is speaking, and give equal time.
@@antediluvianatheist5262 duct tape him to a chair and only allow him to answer yes or no/ only talk about Jesus and his beliefs. He’d crumble so fast, hell, no need to the duct tape, dudes allergic to Jesus and will never want to talk about him
Today we celebrate the freedumb darth gives away every day. Y’all stay safe.
Fart's god, I mean Darth's god, is absurd at the very foundation. But he wants his definition to stand despite being incoherent. I don't understand why you stay with this idiot for such long times.
Has NASA been able to scoop up any brain matter?
this channel is doing non-god work, bless you, (nice to see that all the old faces are there)
If minds are contingent (as they are) then they cannot be ultimate. For Darth to say God is a noncontingent mind is to equivocate on the word mind.
In our universe, an efficient cause always acts upon a material cause. For Darth to say God is an efficient cause that creates the material cause is to equivocate on the word causation.
Ultimately Darth's special pleading explains nothing and, in fact, only deepens the quandry unnecessarily.
Your problem regarding the topic of minds is, you're taking what theists say about God, then you're critiquing it as if what theists said about that topic are univocal statements about God. And that's not the case. We can only speak analogically about God from our finite and ignorant perspectives. As humans, who probably don't even possess one percent of all the knowledge that is possible, regarding the reality of God. When we say, the mind of God, that refers to the supremely rational and mind like, transcendentally necessary ultimacy. And you cannot critique that negatively, because you don't know what the full nature of that is. You have practically nothing to work with for a critique! Due to the hiddenness of God, and how God operates mysteriously, apparently.
_For Darth to say God is an efficient cause_
That's not a univocal statement about God. Its analogical.
_that creates the material cause is to equivocate on the word causation._
That's a non sequitur. We haven't answered the question of what is the nature of God and God's creative actions.
_special pleading explains nothing_
There is no special pleading. You don't even have a coherent critique to begin with.
_and in fact only deepens the quandary unnecessarily._
That's a non sequitur.
@@ChessArmyCommander So blah blah blah, we made it all up and theres no way of telling what is reality! Is that what your saying? I mean, we gave god a mind but no dick and balls? Seems unfair. Poor thing.
@@ChessArmyCommander You’ve just laid out the argument that you believe in something that you can neither explain nor understand yet it is the foundation of your worldview. Congrats. You have no idea what it means for God to be a mind. You have no idea what it means for a mind to create a physical universe. Your belief explains nothing.
@@ChessArmyCommander We hardly know anything about the nature of God, but we know one exists and which God it is. Yup, that makes perfect sense.
@@philwhitehouse4290 Word salading a god into existence = FAIL.
Assigning so many unsubstantiated qualities to an agent that is not even known to exist other then claims in ancient texts found in a cave is silly at best. How does Darth not realize his position is silly at best? Other then the entertainment value we all get mocking and ridiculing the silliness?
Well that’s the point of presup. You assume all the qualities of god and operate from there. No justification is ever needed
@@ternuscleargullyiii8154 You would think it irrational to presuppose anything other then facts exist unless you can present more then argument. And being his arguments are so weak and contradictory makes you wonder if he is doing this with any other intent then to annoy.
😂😂😂 he was messing with Darth, masterfully. He was saying universal was revealed 😂😂😂
If Jesus employed DDs methods, Christianity would’ve been dead by about 50 AD
Its funny because even if Darth was able to demonstrate that Brodis' or anyone's position is incoherent that still doesn't get you to the existence of God let alone the Christian God. Gods existence or non existence does not depend on what any of us believe.
A concrete universal can be a mind like ishgabobleslerfingshins can be a mind or a concrete universal for that matter. Because we do not even know if a concrete universal exists much less if it does it has to be a disembodied mind seems a really huge jump to that from it must be something we call "god".
The universal structure doesn't exist because...?
Moderator: "Darth, since Rodi didn't get the chance to speak can you speak about absolutes"
Yea ‘Ok Darth since Rodi hasn’t had a chance to speak, would you like to talk some more now Darth?’ ....just disgusting pampering of this shitebag.
Do you think that DD realized Rodi was using his own tricks against him?
I doubt it. He’s not very self aware
What’s wrong with multiple absolutes?
I would suggest that the forces of physics are absolutes, and they do not effect each-other, rather, they effect other things (matter), and the stronger of any set of forces wins out (or combines together) to determine the results.
Universal structure = reality
He’s saying reality is absolute
A mind can’t exist without an absolute
God is a mind
God can’t exist
Also, “how do you know that?” Is not a rebuttal or an argument. We could play that game with god also. How do you know god is absolute? Darth will say “by definition” which is the same answer the other guy gave.
Also! You don’t need communication to derive attributes. A watermelon is green on the outside and red on the inside. Did the watermelon communicate that to me?
Daft Dorkins would argue, that that information is communicated to you by his god-thing.
Dd never let's him explain what he means, every time he starts talking he gets over talked.
Why can there not be a concrete universal Mind. Hilarious These guys are nuts 🥜 . Jesse Rodi is better educated then you and Darth Dolittle 😂❤