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The one deck I could see that would be interested in Twenty-Toed Toad is Nadu. A lot of the play patterns of winning turns in the deck involves you ending up with more than 20 cards in hand, plus a Lightning Greaves to give it haste.
@@cobaltbeau In my experience with Nadu there are a lot of nondeterministic turns that the deck can put together where it can do a lot, but not quite enough to get to drawing the whole deck or getting to infinite mana. In those turns, this will win games where a lot of the other win condition options won't.
Y'all missed the fact you don't need dread return or narcomeba to do the combo with buried alive and dewdrop cure. You bury alive Thassa's, nomad's, and cephalid illusionist. Dewdrop cure giving the gift to return all three from the graveyard to the battlefield. With THassa's ETB on the stack, mill your whole library! Seems a bit better than having to run dread return and narcomeba!
Could even do Cephalid Illusionist, Nomads En-Kor, and Grand abolisher with buried alive. Then dewdrop cure those creatures back and have the thoracle/dread return/narcomoeba combo they mentioned sacing narcomoeba, nomads, and cephalid. Then we have the protection of Abolisher too
@@Tallsonn I see where you're going and it isn't a bad idea. The hard part of the combo is going to be resolving dewdrop cure. After you've done that they can't stop the cephalid nomad combo (save split second) and a thassa's etb is only stopped by stifle which no one runs. The only thing abolisher protects you from primarily is someone making you draw after you mill your whole deck. This can be stopped by stopping 3 cards short since your devotion Is 3, and if they try to kill thassa's or cephalid you just mill the number of cards in response to the kill spell
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47:16 the reason why they all seem to add up to 4 total Mana is because the Gruul limited Archetype in Bloomburrow is Expend 4, AKA "Bonuses for spending 4 or more total Mana in a turn."
3:45 with gifts: for instants and sorceries, the spell has to resolve for the gift to be given. so if you try to force draw the thoracle player, if they counter this, the gift delivery system (haha) will not trigger. if the spell does resolve, though, the gift trigger is on the stack to resolve first before the effects of the spell itself. 🎉
So happy to see Tyler on the podcast! I managed to avoid 99% of spoilers so I'm making this my first video to watch after doing pre release and not 3 minutes in it was the best choice I could have made.
The reprint of chaos warp in the commander precon shows a raccoon falling into New Capenna through an omenpath. Meaning animals that leave Bloomburrow maintain their animal form but likely scale up to match the plane they go to
Ooh, that's certainly a thought. Also notable that it can get thoracle + abolisher from graveyard at the same time if you have something like demonic consultation/tainted pact in hand already without giving the opponent cards. Granted, that's quite specific but I think reanimating Abolisher might come up more often than people think.
Love the videos haven’t commented much but one thing to keep in mind is the ability to give cards flash and with 20 tow tow if you can give him flash and play him at the end of the turn to go into an ad nauseam or something that draws you ridiculous amount of cards your next turn I think this card becomes pretty viable and note it is in the colors that give you the ability to have flash more than any other color
Oh yeah, I missed that it's a triggered ability and not static. It'll be great to hose people playing lots of tokens in casual pods but it definitely isn't viable in cedh.
My issue with Into the Flood Maw is that you cannot cast it on your own things... with Chain of Vapor you have that as an option to save some of your stuff. The upside, I suppose, is you cant get Deflecting Swatted onto your own permanents.
4:35 as someone who wants to run Kenrith Food Loops (Samwise, Cauldron Familiar loop), I can see this as another way to get my Protean pile without having to work towards actually getting the Protean.
As a mono green player I agree entirely with the assessment of Bloodroot Apothecary, it is a very interesting card but I'd rather just have Ouphe. A mono green card that you missed is Season of Gathering. I don't expect it to see play outside of Marwyn/Selvala/Ashaya, but in those decks I think it's a good new card
47:07 All the offspring costs add up to 4 because a key mechanic in BLB also was Expend X, triggering when you spend your Xth mana per turn on casting spells, and 90% of the cards were Expend 4(the exceptions being Expend 8), so they wanted you to easily offspring and trigger your expend cards with your cheap cards
To Cam’s point about Offspring CMC costs equaling 4 mana-I think this is to also to help fuel the set’s Expend mechanic. Most (if not all) of that effect is Expend 4, which Offspring can help meet. Good stuff, guys!
Valley floodcaller (without summoning sickness) also comboes with Retraction Helix/Banishing knack and a positive mana rock. That gives you infinite mana.
With that cephalid breakfast combo, you could gift someone a card, reanimate all 3, and w the thoracle trigger on the stack you could mill your entire library no?
31:09 I’m wondering how viable Keen Duelist is for cEDH since it’s a more durable Bob and you attack life totals with it, but it does give your opponent a card too that you know what it is
Feels like Mockingbird is being underrated hard to me. I think this is a Tymna/Kraum card. It's one mana to make a flying Esper Sentinel or Ragavan. It's so good in Tymna decks. Idk, maybe I'm trippin'
Osteo tree breech and Thief of Blood after you flood your board so it removes the counters on the army you bring back? Alter of Dementia to fill your own yard if needed.
Can twenty toed toad go in the Curri deck? Whatever the name of that fallout commander mono blue shark thingie 1/3 that draws cards equal to its power. So if you're already trying to draw a ton of cards this could be a win con maybe?
Regarding the reason for a lot of Offspring cards adding up to 4, the RG mechanic, Expend, cares about spending 4 or more total mana on casting spells to get extra bonuses.
I’ve been waiting to hear your thoughts on this set for a while! There are some SPICY multicolor legends in this set! Bummer I have to wait until next week, but you better believe I’ll be tuning in!
Lakes are body of non-salt water that have a river (or similar water course) that enters them and one that exits them. Seas are salt water and only have rivers going into them, oceans are the same things but are way bigger in area Then again, I do endorse the idea that my hot tub it's a small sea
1:30 I think it would be a more fun reveal that a human character we all know as a human was actually originally from bloomburrow and their a mouse or some shit
The augur card, the creature breach, gives a finality counter. Which tayum can remove. Yall mentioned tayum but i think its worth talking more about that interaction
I think Twenty-Toed Toad has exactly one deck that it could work as a wincon pretty consistently and that is Nadu. Think about it, Nadu draws you all the cards and gets you all the mana you could need to cast it. The deck also very specifically runs Lightning Greaves as a key component of Nadu's combo potential. So, you run Nadu, hit any of his combo pieces, do his thing, play Twenty Toed Toad and Greaves, swing, attack trigger, win. Thoughts?
Idk if this really helps the card but if you offspring the Agate Instigator, the offspring sees the original enter and pings immediately to give you a trigger?
I think Season of the Bold could work in mono-red burn decks, especially Toralf. In a deck led by him, you’re running all of the red effects that raise noncombat damage so you get to keep moving the extra damage around the board. It seems kind of like it would be a win more card almost though because you would need to be set up to either cast more spells with more mana already, or you are using some of the 🐾 to make treasures, idk
Blue card that didn’t get mentioned but could be good in Yuriko is Dour Port-Mage? 2 mana any creature you control that leaves without dying: you draw a card.
Interesting that you mentioned breakfast combo for non-gift version of Dewdrop, even though with gift its a win. You give card to your non blue player friend and with buried alive getting you all 3 pieces you can straight up reanimate oracle with breakfast and mill yourself with oracle trigger on the stack. No need to wait for dread return.
Apparently the denizens of bloomburrow remain the same when they leave, so they will remain regular otter sized and such, all that weve seen of bloomburrow so far takes up a 2 mile lot
Twenty-toed toad will go crazy in inalla because it is a wizard and the copy you make with inalla has haste, making ad nuas in to twenty toed toad a true combo
I’m so hype on Valley Floodcaller. Mainly for Atraxa. I run Final Word Phantom in Atraxa as well as Borne Upon a Wind (like everyone else) because I feel the only path forward for Atraxa is as many flash enablers as possible. Nothing like throwing down a jeweled lotus and Atraxa on someone else’s turn lol
According to my Google search "...Seas are smaller than oceans and are usually located where the land and ocean meet. Typically, seas are partially enclosed by land."
Birds wasn't in standard with Jeskai Ascendancy but Springleaf Drum was and a red creature with heroic who made 1/1s with haste. So it was pretty easy to combo off.
On Osteomancer Adept: is it worth thinking about this card in the context of Solemnity? Preventing the finality counter from being put on the card means you can repeatedly forage it, especially if it creates a food on etb.
Would the twenty toed toad be a win for nadu? Where they nadu combo til they get this card and 4 mana and 20 other cards then they can play the toad and use the 0 equip gives haste boots and win
The sidetrack into “what is a body of water” discussion is so on-brand 😂
The twenty toed toad was amazing
I am so here for the Sea vs. Ocean discussion :)
You can really tell they are from a landlocked area 😂 being from Florida those questions have been answered from birth for me lol
That discussion gave me major “Always Sunny” vibes and I loved it. I can definitely see Charlie arguing with Dennis and Mac about this.
@@marc5727 "an ocean is water outside of Philly Pennsylvania right? And then we have all the seas?"
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I think mocking bird becomes a lot more interesting as a tutor target from ranger captain
I was goin to comment this its a clone that ranger can fetch
Agreed. I think it can actually take the play of Phimage just because of this
Yeah this is really big for farm esc decks
Came here to comment this as well. It's going to replace PhImage in any UW+ list.
It hurt my brain that they didn't say this I was waiting in the waiting 😩
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Pollywog Prodigy is pretty amazing in Raffine since you can connive onto it to make it huge faster than in other decks
I'll try it for similar reasons in the ever fringe Simic Ezuri Experience :p
“A lake can’t be the sea, right”
“No.”
Truly incredible
33:50 oh god, Tyler just recoiled at the way Cam said that. Got hit with a wave of memories lol
visceral reaction
lmao this was so real
Lmao bro!
The one deck I could see that would be interested in Twenty-Toed Toad is Nadu. A lot of the play patterns of winning turns in the deck involves you ending up with more than 20 cards in hand, plus a Lightning Greaves to give it haste.
Might be good in some Raffine decks as well given how much attacking that does. But yeah Nadu is a good call
@@lazarus845 yeah, the winning turn. How often do you get 20 cards in hand and not end up winning?
@@cobaltbeau In my experience with Nadu there are a lot of nondeterministic turns that the deck can put together where it can do a lot, but not quite enough to get to drawing the whole deck or getting to infinite mana. In those turns, this will win games where a lot of the other win condition options won't.
The way Tyler said with his whole chest "one in the mouth" about twenty-toed toad is sending me. 😂
Y'all missed the fact you don't need dread return or narcomeba to do the combo with buried alive and dewdrop cure. You bury alive Thassa's, nomad's, and cephalid illusionist. Dewdrop cure giving the gift to return all three from the graveyard to the battlefield. With THassa's ETB on the stack, mill your whole library! Seems a bit better than having to run dread return and narcomeba!
Could even do Cephalid Illusionist, Nomads En-Kor, and Grand abolisher with buried alive. Then dewdrop cure those creatures back and have the thoracle/dread return/narcomoeba combo they mentioned sacing narcomoeba, nomads, and cephalid. Then we have the protection of Abolisher too
@@Tallsonn I see where you're going and it isn't a bad idea. The hard part of the combo is going to be resolving dewdrop cure. After you've done that they can't stop the cephalid nomad combo (save split second) and a thassa's etb is only stopped by stifle which no one runs. The only thing abolisher protects you from primarily is someone making you draw after you mill your whole deck. This can be stopped by stopping 3 cards short since your devotion Is 3, and if they try to kill thassa's or cephalid you just mill the number of cards in response to the kill spell
Valley flood caller with Paradise Mantle has a birgi type effect
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Yall are consistently my favorite podcast, and having Tyler on is always a treat!
Fridays have been even better ever since I started listening
i love when you can feel tyler shaking his head and shrugging when cam and dylan are in hypothetical mode
47:16 the reason why they all seem to add up to 4 total Mana is because the Gruul limited Archetype in Bloomburrow is Expend 4, AKA "Bonuses for spending 4 or more total Mana in a turn."
3:45 with gifts: for instants and sorceries, the spell has to resolve for the gift to be given. so if you try to force draw the thoracle player, if they counter this, the gift delivery system (haha) will not trigger. if the spell does resolve, though, the gift trigger is on the stack to resolve first before the effects of the spell itself. 🎉
So happy to see Tyler on the podcast! I managed to avoid 99% of spoilers so I'm making this my first video to watch after doing pre release and not 3 minutes in it was the best choice I could have made.
The reprint of chaos warp in the commander precon shows a raccoon falling into New Capenna through an omenpath. Meaning animals that leave Bloomburrow maintain their animal form but likely scale up to match the plane they go to
Which we knew since two years ago, due to Chatterfang. But ... I guess the racoon also fits.
@@thedoctor1471Chatterfang isn't from Bloomburrow.
@@aleblanc6904 of course he is. He's literally in the precons.
Offspring is the "dont talk to me or my son ever again" meme to me
Tyler with the Swans shirt
Drums on that album are nuts
On Dewdrop Cure, you could promise the gift to get 2-card combo + Grand Abolisher
Ooh, that's certainly a thought. Also notable that it can get thoracle + abolisher from graveyard at the same time if you have something like demonic consultation/tainted pact in hand already without giving the opponent cards. Granted, that's quite specific but I think reanimating Abolisher might come up more often than people think.
44:25 " what is called, *actually*? " And the disappointment in Tyler's face Ahahaha
My philosophy if someone chains one of my permanents when someone else's permanent is the problem is usually to just return to sender
100% the right answer everytime, chain of vapor bullying shouldn't be tolerated
i dont like this if its actually throwing, but they can always copy chain too so it never truly is
100% based take
Mockingbird becoming a flying ragavan for 1 is pretty nuts
Mockingbird is one cmc which makes it more searchable than other clones in certain decks
You even mention the ranger captain later heh
Love the videos haven’t commented much but one thing to keep in mind is the ability to give cards flash and with 20 tow tow if you can give him flash and play him at the end of the turn to go into an ad nauseam or something that draws you ridiculous amount of cards your next turn I think this card becomes pretty viable and note it is in the colors that give you the ability to have flash more than any other color
Lol still loving all the extra zoom ins in editing 😂😂 yeah that adds an extra layer of funny to these podcasts. Thanks guys
You can just keep sacrificing treasures with Bloodroots ability on the stack, and win on the stack.
Also Manglehorn. As was said in the video.
Oh yeah, I missed that it's a triggered ability and not static. It'll be great to hose people playing lots of tokens in casual pods but it definitely isn't viable in cedh.
Can't wait for them to talk about Barkform Harvester in Magda
44:33 Tyler's reaction to the "Crustacean Mage" lmao
To me Tyler really makes these videos perfect.
My issue with Into the Flood Maw is that you cannot cast it on your own things... with Chain of Vapor you have that as an option to save some of your stuff. The upside, I suppose, is you cant get Deflecting Swatted onto your own permanents.
which they then touched on, I spoke too soon lol
Also the non chalant spoiler of odd taxi 😂
Was looking for this comment 😂
FR lol
It's been out for a long time, in his defense and I don't think that spoils the important part of that twist
But what a good show
"Let's talk about what this pollywog daws"
Yea we heard you Cam
@14:25 The reason I like mockingbird over Flesh duplicate is because it's able to be tutored off of Ranger Captain
The finger wag close up on Cam's Mockingbird "no" is A+ cutaway editing!
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4:35 as someone who wants to run Kenrith Food Loops (Samwise, Cauldron Familiar loop), I can see this as another way to get my Protean pile without having to work towards actually getting the Protean.
As a mono green player I agree entirely with the assessment of Bloodroot Apothecary, it is a very interesting card but I'd rather just have Ouphe. A mono green card that you missed is Season of Gathering. I don't expect it to see play outside of Marwyn/Selvala/Ashaya, but in those decks I think it's a good new card
the problem is that ouphe stops the activation of artifact abilities, this punishes sacrificing them for whatever reason.
@@naiustheyettiyes exactly
Ouphe stops MORE things
47:07 All the offspring costs add up to 4 because a key mechanic in BLB also was Expend X, triggering when you spend your Xth mana per turn on casting spells, and 90% of the cards were Expend 4(the exceptions being Expend 8), so they wanted you to easily offspring and trigger your expend cards with your cheap cards
To Cam’s point about Offspring CMC costs equaling 4 mana-I think this is to also to help fuel the set’s Expend mechanic. Most (if not all) of that effect is Expend 4, which Offspring can help meet. Good stuff, guys!
No one talking about the finger wag @ 13:50? Absolute gold.
Tyler with the dope Swans shirt
Valley floodcaller (without summoning sickness) also comboes with Retraction Helix/Banishing knack and a positive mana rock. That gives you infinite mana.
With that cephalid breakfast combo, you could gift someone a card, reanimate all 3, and w the thoracle trigger on the stack you could mill your entire library no?
Absolutely you can.
Love it when Tyler is on the podcasts
Mockingbird is a Dockside Extortionist that can be tutored by Ranger Captain of Eos
Can also be a Flying Ragavan for U. 🙃
I felt crazy listening to them talk about it
31:09 I’m wondering how viable Keen Duelist is for cEDH since it’s a more durable Bob and you attack life totals with it, but it does give your opponent a card too that you know what it is
Tyler sounds like a character from Bobs burgers I can’t remember who
Great video btw!! 🙏🏼🔥
I love the shirt Dylan lol
Feels like Mockingbird is being underrated hard to me. I think this is a Tymna/Kraum card. It's one mana to make a flying Esper Sentinel or Ragavan. It's so good in Tymna decks. Idk, maybe I'm trippin'
Love the Swans shirt.
Osteo tree breech and Thief of Blood after you flood your board so it removes the counters on the army you bring back? Alter of Dementia to fill your own yard if needed.
Can twenty toed toad go in the Curri deck? Whatever the name of that fallout commander mono blue shark thingie 1/3 that draws cards equal to its power. So if you're already trying to draw a ton of cards this could be a win con maybe?
Pollywog Prodigy doubling with Delney on 1-drops if you manage to evolve it once seems interesting
Regarding the reason for a lot of Offspring cards adding up to 4, the RG mechanic, Expend, cares about spending 4 or more total mana on casting spells to get extra bonuses.
isn't osteomancer adept good in tayam since the finality counters are food for tayam?
33:53 my deck list for Maha is literally titled “Amanda Show Reference” thank you Cam 😂
Osteomancer Adept seems great in Tayam. Tayam wants counters and it brings creatures back with a finality counter which Tayam can remove.
A lot of the offspring cards come to 4 mana because of the expend mechanic. They chose the magic number of 4 for that
I’ve been waiting to hear your thoughts on this set for a while! There are some SPICY multicolor legends in this set! Bummer I have to wait until next week, but you better believe I’ll be tuning in!
Dewdrop Cure might be pretty good in Tayam as it can grab Grand Abolisher, Devoted Druid and Vizier of Remedies
The finality counter from osteomabxer works with tayam since you can consume it on effect. Kind of gives you an out if you can’t make tayam stick.
Lakes are body of non-salt water that have a river (or similar water course) that enters them and one that exits them.
Seas are salt water and only have rivers going into them, oceans are the same things but are way bigger in area
Then again, I do endorse the idea that my hot tub it's a small sea
I don’t understand how they had sm trouble with that honestly
There are saltwater lakes and lakes without outflowing rivers.
1:30 I think it would be a more fun reveal that a human character we all know as a human was actually originally from bloomburrow and their a mouse or some shit
Mockingbird is a 5. Ranger captain decks will just play it. It´s probably the best clone ever printed
The augur card, the creature breach, gives a finality counter. Which tayum can remove. Yall mentioned tayum but i think its worth talking more about that interaction
This was a delightful episode.
I think Twenty-Toed Toad has exactly one deck that it could work as a wincon pretty consistently and that is Nadu. Think about it, Nadu draws you all the cards and gets you all the mana you could need to cast it. The deck also very specifically runs Lightning Greaves as a key component of Nadu's combo potential. So, you run Nadu, hit any of his combo pieces, do his thing, play Twenty Toed Toad and Greaves, swing, attack trigger, win.
Thoughts?
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Idk if this really helps the card but if you offspring the Agate Instigator, the offspring sees the original enter and pings immediately to give you a trigger?
Other way round, original sees the token
I think this is going in any Xyris deck immediately.
I think Season of the Bold could work in mono-red burn decks, especially Toralf. In a deck led by him, you’re running all of the red effects that raise noncombat damage so you get to keep moving the extra damage around the board.
It seems kind of like it would be a win more card almost though because you would need to be set up to either cast more spells with more mana already, or you are using some of the 🐾 to make treasures, idk
Dylan, the Tiger shirt, awesome, on Fokin point!! Great episode, and yes, I have yet to see an episode where Play to Win was wrong about anything!
Blue card that didn’t get mentioned but could be good in Yuriko is Dour Port-Mage? 2 mana any creature you control that leaves without dying: you draw a card.
Cam out here asking the important questions! What happens when the characters from bloomburrow, leave bloomburrow?!?
Interesting that you mentioned breakfast combo for non-gift version of Dewdrop, even though with gift its a win. You give card to your non blue player friend and with buried alive getting you all 3 pieces you can straight up reanimate oracle with breakfast and mill yourself with oracle trigger on the stack. No need to wait for dread return.
I love Dylan's shirt
Apparently the denizens of bloomburrow remain the same when they leave, so they will remain regular otter sized and such, all that weve seen of bloomburrow so far takes up a 2 mile lot
Do you think that the offspring costs add up to 4 because you have to fo(u)rnicate to have an offspring?
Twenty-toed toad will go crazy in inalla because it is a wizard and the copy you make with inalla has haste, making ad nuas in to twenty toed toad a true combo
Claim Jumper strikes me as a Bloomburrow resident that left to Thunder Junction
The sticky toad toe discussion is what I expect from this channel.
I am here for the Tiger shirt and the Tiger shirt only.
Kwain and Archelos are from Bloomburrow.
Tyler casually spoiling Odd Taxi is actually hilarious 😂😂
24:00 is an always sunny bit in form and pacing
The 20 toed toad seems like a good fit in Nadu with greaves going around like crazy
I’m so hype on Valley Floodcaller. Mainly for Atraxa. I run Final Word Phantom in Atraxa as well as Borne Upon a Wind (like everyone else) because I feel the only path forward for Atraxa is as many flash enablers as possible. Nothing like throwing down a jeweled lotus and Atraxa on someone else’s turn lol
Otter allow flash only Non creature spells
Valley Floodcaller + Banishing Knack/Retraction Helix + Mana Positive Rock
According to my Google search "...Seas are smaller than oceans and are usually located where the land and ocean meet. Typically, seas are partially enclosed by land."
Mockingbird can also be a one mana Esper Sentinel, which has upside to other clones occasionally
What do you think of Hazel's Brewmaster as a new devoted druid combo? Seems comparable to reconfiguration and much more tutorable in green
mocking bird can be tutored with ranger captain
Tyler's face when Cam goes MAHA..... priceless.
"It doesn't work either though you need two in the mouth..."
freaking love this channel
The Tyler reaction camera is awesome. "Mahaa!"
Birds wasn't in standard with Jeskai Ascendancy but Springleaf Drum was and a red creature with heroic who made 1/1s with haste. So it was pretty easy to combo off.
On Osteomancer Adept: is it worth thinking about this card in the context of Solemnity? Preventing the finality counter from being put on the card means you can repeatedly forage it, especially if it creates a food on etb.
Love the flood caller for Silas and Kodama
Dylan that shirt is awesome
Would the twenty toed toad be a win for nadu? Where they nadu combo til they get this card and 4 mana and 20 other cards then they can play the toad and use the 0 equip gives haste boots and win