SO Kiki-Jiki can still combo using Deciever Exarch or Village Bell Ringer while there is a Phyrexian Censor in play. But Censor will shut off the one-card win-cons with Birthing Pod and Felidar Guardian
Would it still be effective if you play Birthing Pod, then sac your Phyrexian Censor that’s in play, fetch the Felidar Guardian, then win? Or is that too edgecase
@@edvinnordkvist9179 Maximum love for Tyler. I love Dylan and Cam, don't get me wrong, as much as possible without making them uncomfortable, but Tyler is my spirit animal.
Borborygmos and Fbltph's activated ability is an infinite mana outlet. Activate it, and instead of putting it in the library, return it to the command zone then recast it.
4 minutes in and I'm crying from laughter. Dylan and Tyler's reaction to cam just turning everything but the jmagw of the card sideways was just perfect. You all's friendship is just the greatest.
Something worth mentioning with Omen Hawker is that is can make infinite colorless mana with Freed From the Real. Might be relevant because it’s the first thing that can do that in mono blue by itself. Good in Urza or as a Walking Ballista outlet.
I have been (impatiently) waiting for a new Fblthp card since War of the Spark, so I was ecstatic to see Borborgymos and Fblthp teaming up! Very hyped to see Tyler is going to be piloting it in the future games as well!
RELFEXIVE TRIGGERS!!! I’m so happy that they mentioned the K+K combo with Altar of dementia. I’ve been trying to convince some of my local modern players to build this deck, because you just chain your whole deck away then reanimate thoracle.
the broodlord is a polymorph target, which allows essentially a 1 card combo, where the card you get is saw in half, target your own broodlord, get burnt offering and reanimate etc and go from there
I love how for the hoarding broodlord Cam called said it was a demon when it is a dragon and then Dylan also getting it wrong when he compared it to ruin scar demon saying that it has a similar effect as another demon.
I will say it every episode because every episode it gets more and more true, this is the best cEDH content out there! You three's interactions and banter (and to a significantly lesser extent, card evaluation) is a straight Dopamine dump.
Loved the video, I cannot wait for Yargle and Multani! Anyway, thoughts on the card evaluations. Dusk Legion Duelist works very well with Raffine. Phyrexian Censor does not stop the Kiki+ Village Bellringer combo and a surprising amount of creatures in Winota have been errated to phyrexian. Omen Hawker also has a home in Reality Chip decks. Shalai and Hallar + The Red Horror/Heliod is not stopped by any stax piece played in cEDH (assuming Heliod is not a creature so Curse Totem doesn't work on it). It's probably still a worse deck than Rocco but it is able to play straight stax.
SO turns out both Deciever Exarch (thanks Mind Sculpters) and Village Bell Ringer can both still combo with Kiki-Jiki while Phyrexian Censor is on board. But your "one card win con" line with Felidar Guardian and Birthing Pod would not work.
Fantastic video. Makes me remember how much fun my buddies had whenever a new commander set would come out and we would all buy a box and compare cards. Nothin like goin over cards with tha boys
I can't believe Elesh Norn wasn't mentioned as a Phyrexian that sees play in cedh. I'll forgive you because most of the time, it doesn't really matter if she's tapped or not.
I didn't watch the video yet, but I first thought that you guys got another member for the team before I realized that that's the face of Faerie Mastermind. You guys are awesome.
Invasion of Segovia seems to potentially be good in Atraxa Grand Unifier, if you have Displacer Kitten on the board. It allows you do get "free spells" and access to more hits off the top.
Here’s a thought about the blue battle that enables convoke: with Tymna/Kraum as commanders and on the battlefield, you cast the battle for 3 mana, smack it with Kraum, transform the battle. The battle says untap for creatures in endstep. The battle gave you two creatures, plus your commanders, you now have 4 convoke mana. You can now cast an end step Ad Naus on opponents turn for 1 black mana. Or 0 mana if you have another black creature besides Tymna.
I converted my Vohar list to Rona to test, expecting her to be worse, but I was very impressed. Banishing Knack has a functional duplicate in retraction helix, and you can also use Opal in addition to amber, plus the wishclaw being a 1-card way to assemble those, so your combo density is significantly higher than some other IsoRev decks, and paired with her looting (which will occasionally get extra loots per turn cycle) she can assemble stuff very reliably. She quickly enables amber and fierce/rollick, cracks doomsday piles, and there's some hidden value in being able to use banishing/helix to bounce a stax piece, cast a legend to untap her, then go for combo (maybe getting multiple bounces, depending on your legends available)
Etali, Primal Conqueror. Even though it's beefy, gunna make a great temur sabertooth/dockside commander to exile everyones library and play all the good stuff spells. Plus its a Spinosaurus. Whats not to love!
Not me considering turning my pet hogaak deck into Multani/Yargle for a couple games. Also the Invasion of Kaldheim is something I'm playtesting in my prosper "cedh" deck. You're review of it was insightful!
I was looking at Moira and Teshar and wondering if turning all your fast artifact mana into Shallow Graves is enough to make up for the less-than-ideal color combination
Dusk Legion Duelist. I'm not sure it makes the cut in Tayam. Yes, it deals with counters, but you're wanting to remove them for the Sevinne's effect. You want stuff that enters with multiple counters for as cheap as possible. If anything makes the cut for that deck its tribute to the world tree. It's definitely asymmetric.
I think Caetus may have a home in Shorkai decks, since Shorkai when crewed is still a creature until end of turn, it can give you an extra Shorkai activation in the turn cycle
Surprised you didn't mention Hidetsugu and Kairi. It says do stuff for free and is in dimir which is basically cEDH already. I made a turbo reanimator list which has performed pretty well so far. There are also some more control style builds I've seen out there which may be a bit better, though in my incredibly biased opinion less fun to pilot. While I don't think it's the greatest commander, it definitely has some legs and is worth considering. (Originally commented with the decklists but it looks like that got removed, or I just forgot to hit comment like a dumbass. Both likely)
The thing I will say about “post ad naus” cards, though they may be a little win more, is at least you can stop flipping when you hit them right. Like the red one you can think of instead as 5 life to double your ad naus from whatever spot you hit it at. Assuming you cast ad naus at opponents end step, you untap and use it to just swap your hand. Idk.
I feel like that you forgot a huge part during the Infernal Sovereign discussion: While you're right and Bolas' Citadel is bricks often when you don't have Necropotence or something like a Viscera Seer in play, you still cast the spells without paying mana. The demon draws you a card per spell, but you can't do anything if you don't have mana to spend. I feel like that's the power of Citadel, being able to pseudo adnaus when you have a way to get rid of the top card, so these two cards aren't really comparable imo
i built a Thalia & Gitrog deck a while ago, started it back when the card was spoiled lol. obviously i was super, super hyped about it lol. i made it stax-xy (asymmetrical ones: Drannith, Drana & Linvala, Authority of the Consuls etc) but jammed extra land shenanigans, a couple of token generators, and multiple infinite combos (Heliod + Ballista, Apprentice + CoS). it sounds convoluted af but i’ve won as early as Turn 4, and been able to pull off the two infinite combos twice after they were responded to. i’ve consistently gotten really good hands, and been able to shut people down from tutoring (i play in a tutor-heavy meta) by flashing in an Opp Agent. i also can play Null Rod, Collector Ouphe, Stony Silence type cards since i don’t use mana rocks (but i want to try some adjustments before i shove more stax pieces in it). it’s become my favorite deck to play (and i’ve had an Athreos Apostle storm deck for years, which was my prior favorite). this might not be cEDH based on the decklist, but it’s very high powered and VERY fun (the more important part for me lol). i have a mono blue Urza deck and a turbo combo Old Stickerfingers deck if i want to just gogogogogo for the win as fast as possible anyway lol. but yeah, 20/10 highly recommend Thalia & Gitrog as a commander lol.
While not really CEDH, if I'm correct, Invasion of Ikoria in a Yarok deck brings the Shrieking Drake + Cloud of Faeries combo out for just 4 mana if you have Yarok out. Kinda neat tutor that way.
I truthfully feel that Change the Equation will see play as something that counters so much 2 or less spells (namely Underworld Breach or Thassa) But can also hit the bigger green and red spells like Godo
at tier 1 I actually met someone that played neheb dreadhord general, it was a cool deck, we played some games after the event and it worked decently well. if it hit the table and there was no creature removal, there was very little chance it wouldn't win if it untapped.
I think Hidetsugu and Kairi deserve an honourable mention. I don't think there's a one-card combo but cheating on something like a peer or enter the infinite if you can immediately destroy (something like a sacrifice or any removal) might be fun.
phyrexian censor: could come up that you want to cast it before you cast a combo piece and you could. If there was a big stack battle over your bait or something along those lines.
Hi peepz! WotC also previewed a card for the aftermath set. Jolrael, Voice of Zhalfir. The retroframe variant is one of the most beautifull things i've ever seen in this game. What kind of shell would it need to be at least fringe playable? Budget isn't an option.
I'm curious about Pain Distributer for CEDH. Yeah I know the top part on it sucks, giving your opponents free mana (via a treasure token) at most once a turn, but that second part, the dealing dmg to opponents when an artifact hits their graveyard... And tokens do hit the graveyard
Please play a Ghave "cEDH" deck in one of your games, Play to Win. I know you typically keep with the tier 1 crowd of commanders but I'm sure some of the lower tier commanders would be fun to watch too. Lerker has an "outdated" (5 mths old) list on the cEDH database that could probably have some new additions. It's sort of his pet deck so if you reached out to him I'm sure he'd be more than happy to go over the lines with you. I've personally been toying around with a cEDH Ghave enchantress list the past few years that Lerker inspired me to create from what he considered as a failed clunky attempt for himself.
i think You're undervaluing Urabrask's third chapter. The chapter 3 turn is a insta-win, and Urabrask flips again, so you get the damage and the mana reduction effect besides the yawg's will effect. He can be a strong commander, i think.
Here's another card that has limited relevance. Hangar Scrounger combined with Seeker of Skybreak and Torch Courier provide the first Gruul win on turn Hulk pile. Every other variation required either to pass turn or other cards in play. Get all 3 with Hulk, give Seeker haste via Torch. Have at least 2 cards in hand. Mill deck. Then if you have 2 mana available cast underworld breach (you can always filter it into your hand) and win via breach. You need more cards in hand the less mana you have when you do the turn (up to 4) This is only really useful in strictly Gruul since adding any other color gives better lines.
20:35 Thanks for the Retraction Helix alternative. Cheers! P.S.: In the future, check the audio mix. This video sounds weirdly trebley, and absolutely lacks of bass.
Surge of salvation stops brain freeze wins because brain freeze can't target you with hexproof. Also prevents blood artist loops and anything that targets you the player as part of a win condition. This is pretty big because breach lines are some of the best wincons out there, but this also stops a heliod ballista, and niv-mizzet curiosity
I'd say urabrask is the wheel and ritual commander. Not sure how good it'll be but you can definitely just ritual three times then cast urabrask and flip it turn one.
Invasion of segovia could be good in something like talrand where you just attack it with 2 drakes to flip it and you can use your drakes to convoke your counterspells which make you more drakes to convoke more counterspells
Invasion of khaldheim after an ad naus becomes a win con if you have too many lands right? Throwing a 4 damage spell at it to flip it instantly seems easy when you have like 60 cards you can play
If Etali had the infect keyword, there are some weird niche interactions from previous sets that it would effect. Or at least that's my guess as to why they didn't give it infect. And the Descent into Calamity doesn't say you need to stop at 13, you can keep going to exile your library
I had a yargle and multani deck and i adored that thing to death, it didn't win very much lmao. But it was fun af, mine would use greater good with like supernatural stamina on the opponents end step, then basically just get skirge familiar into play and then i would just discard cards for black mana to get lichs mastery and feast of sanity, elixir would let me just keep drawing through my deck while murdering the table and making infinite black mana
Wouldn't surge of salvation protect you from brain freeze lines? I think I'm remembering the wording of brain freeze correctly that it says target player
I don't think tayam cares about dusk legion duelist. In the deck we have the so-called "counter generators", which are creatures that can put counters on themselves, but the only creatures that get specifically +1/+1 counters are managorger hydra; rishkar, peema renegade; and undying creatures if you're on the altar combo. Other creatures for example put -1/-1 counter (devoted druid), -0/-1 counter (wall of roots) and vigilance counters from tayam
Pretty sure you can play out of your color identity as long as the pips aren't there. That's why colorless decks can play the mightstone and weakstone. Right?
With Ephara, Ever-Sheltering and Heliod, the Warped Eclipse (back side of Invasion of Theros and Heliod, the Radiant Dawn), what makes them Blue? There are plenty of cards with off-color borders e.g. Baral, Chief of Compliance.
Infernal Sovereign is a Null Profusion or a Recycle as a creature, these cards already don't see play as enchantments, I doubt it will see much play. Also I built a Yargle and Multani that's basically the same strategy and I think berserk is much better than giant growth
Just wanted an opinon.Wouldn't path of the pyromancer just infinite on it's own with underworld breach if you have at least 5 cards in hand. Not sure if it's good enough in cedh but thought it would be cool to put in my veyran deck
List of phyrexians I can think of: - phyrexian metamorph -k’rrik - fume spitter - deceiver exarch - blighted agent - phyrexian revoker Let me know if there are others cus I am going to play the Censor
I had a friend run the new heliod in a more casual game and he managed to windfall > omniscience on my end step. never letting that card stay on the field again lmao Rona can also use Banishing Knack, another 1 cmc instant that does the exact same thing. there's some really bad janky pauper decks that use both of them lol
One thing to add because I’m not sure it was mention is that path of the pyromancer can serve as a 2 card combo with underworld breach because it refunds your mana and the combo ends with you having cards in hand and a surplus of red mana at the end. Probably not too great still but something I wanted to mention.
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SO Kiki-Jiki can still combo using Deciever Exarch or Village Bell Ringer while there is a Phyrexian Censor in play. But Censor will shut off the one-card win-cons with Birthing Pod and Felidar Guardian
Would it still be effective if you play Birthing Pod, then sac your Phyrexian Censor that’s in play, fetch the Felidar Guardian, then win? Or is that too edgecase
Working with Bellringer makes it much more considerable in Winota!
Phyrexian Revoker is one you couldn't think of that gets played regularly.
God I'm praying so hard that Dylan's Yargle list wins. There would be nothing that would bring me more joy at that point.
Stay tuned! It will be in the Chill to Win video next week too
@@PlaytoWinMTG are you running demonic embrace?
Who’s Dylan
@@The808andrew808 Lol i can't tell if your serious. if you are, listen to the intro
I love the energy Tyler brings to the podcast
Big love for Tyler ❤
@@edvinnordkvist9179 Maximum love for Tyler.
I love Dylan and Cam, don't get me wrong, as much as possible without making them uncomfortable, but Tyler is my spirit animal.
Agreed
Borborygmos and Fbltph's activated ability is an infinite mana outlet.
Activate it, and instead of putting it in the library, return it to the command zone then recast it.
Oh that's clever
PLEASE make a podcast discussing your opinions on wheel effects! This would be very entertaining and helpful information!
my playgrroup has had full on debates about wheels so i would definitely be interested in a wheel episode also lol.
It would be them saying “pooooooopy” *roll credits*
4 minutes in and I'm crying from laughter.
Dylan and Tyler's reaction to cam just turning everything but the jmagw of the card sideways was just perfect. You all's friendship is just the greatest.
You all brought a very specific energy to the podcast today. It made it very fun to watch even if it was a bit chaotic lol.
Something worth mentioning with Omen Hawker is that is can make infinite colorless mana with Freed From the Real. Might be relevant because it’s the first thing that can do that in mono blue by itself. Good in Urza or as a Walking Ballista outlet.
I have been (impatiently) waiting for a new Fblthp card since War of the Spark, so I was ecstatic to see Borborgymos and Fblthp teaming up! Very hyped to see Tyler is going to be piloting it in the future games as well!
Thalia & gitrog might be one of the best d&t commander made, I shall nick name them t&g
RELFEXIVE TRIGGERS!!! I’m so happy that they mentioned the K+K combo with Altar of dementia. I’ve been trying to convince some of my local modern players to build this deck, because you just chain your whole deck away then reanimate thoracle.
Major applause for Cam on the Rona read. It was shaky like a downhill soapbox racer at the end, but you crossed the line. We're proud of you, Cam. 🎉
The fact that I could only find one comment on Tyler's "Thank you, Daddy," at 53:31 is a travesty.
the broodlord is a polymorph target, which allows essentially a 1 card combo, where the card you get is saw in half, target your own broodlord, get burnt offering and reanimate etc and go from there
I love how for the hoarding broodlord Cam called said it was a demon when it is a dragon and then Dylan also getting it wrong when he compared it to ruin scar demon saying that it has a similar effect as another demon.
This was a great Episode again! Loved the "advantagely" moment.
It’s a great word
I will say it every episode because every episode it gets more and more true, this is the best cEDH content out there! You three's interactions and banter (and to a significantly lesser extent, card evaluation) is a straight Dopamine dump.
I'd even argue best commander content out there
I was opening my box and opened Invasion of Ikora as they started talking about Invasion of Ikora.
Thank you, Play to Win
Can't wait to see yargle and multani in action, you guys made my day
Cam 100% nailed the flavor text from Yargle!
Loved the video, I cannot wait for Yargle and Multani!
Anyway, thoughts on the card evaluations.
Dusk Legion Duelist works very well with Raffine.
Phyrexian Censor does not stop the Kiki+ Village Bellringer combo and a surprising amount of creatures in Winota have been errated to phyrexian.
Omen Hawker also has a home in Reality Chip decks.
Shalai and Hallar + The Red Horror/Heliod is not stopped by any stax piece played in cEDH (assuming Heliod is not a creature so Curse Totem doesn't work on it). It's probably still a worse deck than Rocco but it is able to play straight stax.
This is exactly why I think it's more correct to evaluate this as 3 colored Heilod rather then a worse Rocco.
look at these booooooiiiiiis
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SO turns out both Deciever Exarch (thanks Mind Sculpters) and Village Bell Ringer can both still combo with Kiki-Jiki while Phyrexian Censor is on board. But your "one card win con" line with Felidar Guardian and Birthing Pod would not work.
Fantastic video. Makes me remember how much fun my buddies had whenever a new commander set would come out and we would all buy a box and compare cards. Nothin like goin over cards with tha boys
Cam when talking about the flip cards: “You sly dog, you got me monologuing!!”
Loved the tips! Thanks guys! The episode was really funny and it was awesome seeing yall be so playful!
I can't believe Elesh Norn wasn't mentioned as a Phyrexian that sees play in cedh. I'll forgive you because most of the time, it doesn't really matter if she's tapped or not.
Great episode and so many hilarious moments which is why y’all will continue to be a favorite of mine. Keep it up! 🤘🏽🔥💯
I didn't watch the video yet, but I first thought that you guys got another member for the team before I realized that that's the face of Faerie Mastermind.
You guys are awesome.
Although most cards were mentioned only to be swiftly dismissed, it was a lot of cards (and text) reviewed! That was fun!
Does running Amulet of Vigor make enough sense with Phyrexian Censor, or just not good enough to warrant it?
I’m actually thinking about invasion of Segovia in derevi. I gives me more creatures to untap and basically turns all my creatures into dorks.
The comment about Cam's hair at the end being left in gave me a big smile for the day. Haha. RIP my long hair.
Invasion of Segovia seems to potentially be good in Atraxa Grand Unifier, if you have Displacer Kitten on the board. It allows you do get "free spells" and access to more hits off the top.
Here’s a thought about the blue battle that enables convoke: with Tymna/Kraum as commanders and on the battlefield, you cast the battle for 3 mana, smack it with Kraum, transform the battle. The battle says untap for creatures in endstep. The battle gave you two creatures, plus your commanders, you now have 4 convoke mana. You can now cast an end step Ad Naus on opponents turn for 1 black mana. Or 0 mana if you have another black creature besides Tymna.
I converted my Vohar list to Rona to test, expecting her to be worse, but I was very impressed. Banishing Knack has a functional duplicate in retraction helix, and you can also use Opal in addition to amber, plus the wishclaw being a 1-card way to assemble those, so your combo density is significantly higher than some other IsoRev decks, and paired with her looting (which will occasionally get extra loots per turn cycle) she can assemble stuff very reliably. She quickly enables amber and fierce/rollick, cracks doomsday piles, and there's some hidden value in being able to use banishing/helix to bounce a stax piece, cast a legend to untap her, then go for combo (maybe getting multiple bounces, depending on your legends available)
Path of the Pyromancer is DEFINITELY going in my Rielle list
Thanks for good vijeo guys and thanks for the perfect English class !!!
yep i love your chaotic good podcasts, i feel like if my best friends played mtg and did a podcast w/ me, this is how it would look like 💖
Etali, Primal Conqueror. Even though it's beefy, gunna make a great temur sabertooth/dockside commander to exile everyones library and play all the good stuff spells. Plus its a Spinosaurus. Whats not to love!
Exiles lands as well
Not me considering turning my pet hogaak deck into Multani/Yargle for a couple games.
Also the Invasion of Kaldheim is something I'm playtesting in my prosper "cedh" deck. You're review of it was insightful!
I was looking at Moira and Teshar and wondering if turning all your fast artifact mana into Shallow Graves is enough to make up for the less-than-ideal color combination
Dusk Legion Duelist. I'm not sure it makes the cut in Tayam. Yes, it deals with counters, but you're wanting to remove them for the Sevinne's effect. You want stuff that enters with multiple counters for as cheap as possible. If anything makes the cut for that deck its tribute to the world tree.
It's definitely asymmetric.
For the Yargle and Multani deck, you can also use the instant Invigorate for a free way to pump it into a one-shot kill
Thing I learned: Tyler is never wrong.
I think Caetus may have a home in Shorkai decks, since Shorkai when crewed is still a creature until end of turn, it can give you an extra Shorkai activation in the turn cycle
Surprised you didn't mention Hidetsugu and Kairi. It says do stuff for free and is in dimir which is basically cEDH already. I made a turbo reanimator list which has performed pretty well so far. There are also some more control style builds I've seen out there which may be a bit better, though in my incredibly biased opinion less fun to pilot. While I don't think it's the greatest commander, it definitely has some legs and is worth considering.
(Originally commented with the decklists but it looks like that got removed, or I just forgot to hit comment like a dumbass. Both likely)
The thing I will say about “post ad naus” cards, though they may be a little win more, is at least you can stop flipping when you hit them right. Like the red one you can think of instead as 5 life to double your ad naus from whatever spot you hit it at. Assuming you cast ad naus at opponents end step, you untap and use it to just swap your hand. Idk.
I feel like that you forgot a huge part during the Infernal Sovereign discussion: While you're right and Bolas' Citadel is bricks often when you don't have Necropotence or something like a Viscera Seer in play, you still cast the spells without paying mana. The demon draws you a card per spell, but you can't do anything if you don't have mana to spend.
I feel like that's the power of Citadel, being able to pseudo adnaus when you have a way to get rid of the top card, so these two cards aren't really comparable imo
i built a Thalia & Gitrog deck a while ago, started it back when the card was spoiled lol. obviously i was super, super hyped about it lol. i made it stax-xy (asymmetrical ones: Drannith, Drana & Linvala, Authority of the Consuls etc) but jammed extra land shenanigans, a couple of token generators, and multiple infinite combos (Heliod + Ballista, Apprentice + CoS). it sounds convoluted af but i’ve won as early as Turn 4, and been able to pull off the two infinite combos twice after they were responded to.
i’ve consistently gotten really good hands, and been able to shut people down from tutoring (i play in a tutor-heavy meta) by flashing in an Opp Agent. i also can play Null Rod, Collector Ouphe, Stony Silence type cards since i don’t use mana rocks (but i want to try some adjustments before i shove more stax pieces in it).
it’s become my favorite deck to play (and i’ve had an Athreos Apostle storm deck for years, which was my prior favorite). this might not be cEDH based on the decklist, but it’s very high powered and VERY fun (the more important part for me lol).
i have a mono blue Urza deck and a turbo combo Old Stickerfingers deck if i want to just gogogogogo for the win as fast as possible anyway lol. but yeah, 20/10 highly recommend Thalia & Gitrog as a commander lol.
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While not really CEDH, if I'm correct, Invasion of Ikoria in a Yarok deck brings the Shrieking Drake + Cloud of Faeries combo out for just 4 mana if you have Yarok out. Kinda neat tutor that way.
I truthfully feel that Change the Equation will see play as something that counters so much 2 or less spells (namely Underworld Breach or Thassa) But can also hit the bigger green and red spells like Godo
Great content! I've really been loving the podcast these past few weeks
at tier 1 I actually met someone that played neheb dreadhord general, it was a cool deck, we played some games after the event and it worked decently well. if it hit the table and there was no creature removal, there was very little chance it wouldn't win if it untapped.
Third step says ANY graveyard. For the Great Work
I think Hidetsugu and Kairi deserve an honourable mention. I don't think there's a one-card combo but cheating on something like a peer or enter the infinite if you can immediately destroy (something like a sacrifice or any removal) might be fun.
Yeah I was hoping to hear about them as well.
phyrexian censor: could come up that you want to cast it before you cast a combo piece and you could. If there was a big stack battle over your bait or something along those lines.
Notably: The Great Work does get all graveyards, yours and opponents.
Hi peepz! WotC also previewed a card for the aftermath set. Jolrael, Voice of Zhalfir. The retroframe variant is one of the most beautifull things i've ever seen in this game.
What kind of shell would it need to be at least fringe playable? Budget isn't an option.
I'm curious about Pain Distributer for CEDH. Yeah I know the top part on it sucks, giving your opponents free mana (via a treasure token) at most once a turn, but that second part, the dealing dmg to opponents when an artifact hits their graveyard... And tokens do hit the graveyard
“We’re gonna have to cut this”
Doesn’t cut it 😂 makes the video great!
I like it when Tyler is on, his bones are so tiny
We love Tyler
Please play a Ghave "cEDH" deck in one of your games, Play to Win. I know you typically keep with the tier 1 crowd of commanders but I'm sure some of the lower tier commanders would be fun to watch too. Lerker has an "outdated" (5 mths old) list on the cEDH database that could probably have some new additions. It's sort of his pet deck so if you reached out to him I'm sure he'd be more than happy to go over the lines with you.
I've personally been toying around with a cEDH Ghave enchantress list the past few years that Lerker inspired me to create from what he considered as a failed clunky attempt for himself.
Watching you 3 was some much fun again!
i think You're undervaluing Urabrask's third chapter. The chapter 3 turn is a insta-win, and Urabrask flips again, so you get the damage and the mana reduction effect besides the yawg's will effect. He can be a strong commander, i think.
YOOO! TYLER BROUGHT UP LIGHT-PAWS! That's my main right now. Have you considered making a best enchantress deck in cEDH video?
Here's another card that has limited relevance. Hangar Scrounger combined with Seeker of Skybreak and Torch Courier provide the first Gruul win on turn Hulk pile. Every other variation required either to pass turn or other cards in play.
Get all 3 with Hulk, give Seeker haste via Torch. Have at least 2 cards in hand.
Mill deck. Then if you have 2 mana available cast underworld breach (you can always filter it into your hand) and win via breach.
You need more cards in hand the less mana you have when you do the turn (up to 4)
This is only really useful in strictly Gruul since adding any other color gives better lines.
Awesome episode as always!
I'm impressed by the reply from Yargle.
Great stuff as always homies, keep it up!!!
You guys should do a precon match! (Upgrade it if you want, and secondary commanders ig count? Idk)
Breaking out the full potential of cEDH on then
20:35 Thanks for the Retraction Helix alternative. Cheers!
P.S.: In the future, check the audio mix. This video sounds weirdly trebley, and absolutely lacks of bass.
Surge of salvation stops brain freeze wins because brain freeze can't target you with hexproof. Also prevents blood artist loops and anything that targets you the player as part of a win condition. This is pretty big because breach lines are some of the best wincons out there, but this also stops a heliod ballista, and niv-mizzet curiosity
spot of tayyy...love these podcasts guys
I'd say urabrask is the wheel and ritual commander. Not sure how good it'll be but you can definitely just ritual three times then cast urabrask and flip it turn one.
Invasion of segovia could be good in something like talrand where you just attack it with 2 drakes to flip it and you can use your drakes to convoke your counterspells which make you more drakes to convoke more counterspells
Invasion of khaldheim after an ad naus becomes a win con if you have too many lands right? Throwing a 4 damage spell at it to flip it instantly seems easy when you have like 60 cards you can play
Nice to see that a hatebear is probably the sets best cedh card!🐻 You can see how white gets more and more ASYMMETRICAL pieces. 🤣
Just wanted to say i really loved the bloopers in this video lol
If Etali had the infect keyword, there are some weird niche interactions from previous sets that it would effect. Or at least that's my guess as to why they didn't give it infect. And the Descent into Calamity doesn't say you need to stop at 13, you can keep going to exile your library
Mostly new design philosophy doesn't like - 1/-1 counters, and not giving it infect skips past the creature damage part of infect.
Hallar and Shalai also combos with War Elemental, but {R}{R}{R} might be too steep of a casting cost.
How does Rona and Banishing Knack combo? Don’t you have to activate Rona to bounce Mox Amber everytime? How do you get to loot and bounce?
Omen Hawker goes infinite with Freed from the Real if I’m not mistaken
I've been tinkering on Shalai and Hallar lately and can't wait to use it.
Invasion of theros finds heliod in blue white. I’m sold 😂. My glenn control deck might go from a solid 8 to an 8.5 🎉
I had a yargle and multani deck and i adored that thing to death, it didn't win very much lmao. But it was fun af, mine would use greater good with like supernatural stamina on the opponents end step, then basically just get skirge familiar into play and then i would just discard cards for black mana to get lichs mastery and feast of sanity, elixir would let me just keep drawing through my deck while murdering the table and making infinite black mana
Are we sure invasión if theros is blue white? It doesn’t look like it has any blue pips? 8:19
look on the creature type , youll see a small white/blue pip on the backside
42:30 but have you guys considered casting dance with calamity and having it hit pita as well as ad naus? Think of all that value!!
Wouldn't surge of salvation protect you from brain freeze lines? I think I'm remembering the wording of brain freeze correctly that it says target player
I don't think tayam cares about dusk legion duelist. In the deck we have the so-called "counter generators", which are creatures that can put counters on themselves, but the only creatures that get specifically +1/+1 counters are managorger hydra; rishkar, peema renegade; and undying creatures if you're on the altar combo. Other creatures for example put -1/-1 counter (devoted druid), -0/-1 counter (wall of roots) and vigilance counters from tayam
Pretty sure you can play out of your color identity as long as the pips aren't there. That's why colorless decks can play the mightstone and weakstone. Right?
With Ephara, Ever-Sheltering and Heliod, the Warped Eclipse (back side of Invasion of Theros and Heliod, the Radiant Dawn), what makes them Blue? There are plenty of cards with off-color borders e.g. Baral, Chief of Compliance.
The great work says from any graveyard for the third chapter
I need the wheels podcast. Everyone was ready to go off
Infernal Sovereign is a Null Profusion or a Recycle as a creature, these cards already don't see play as enchantments, I doubt it will see much play.
Also I built a Yargle and Multani that's basically the same strategy and I think berserk is much better than giant growth
Just wanted an opinon.Wouldn't path of the pyromancer just infinite on it's own with underworld breach if you have at least 5 cards in hand. Not sure if it's good enough in cedh but thought it would be cool to put in my veyran deck
List of phyrexians I can think of:
- phyrexian metamorph
-k’rrik
- fume spitter
- deceiver exarch
- blighted agent
- phyrexian revoker
Let me know if there are others cus I am going to play the Censor
I had a friend run the new heliod in a more casual game and he managed to windfall > omniscience on my end step. never letting that card stay on the field again lmao
Rona can also use Banishing Knack, another 1 cmc instant that does the exact same thing. there's some really bad janky pauper decks that use both of them lol
Great work as always boys.
Urn of Godfire, a 1 mana artifact perfect for kinan imo
One thing to add because I’m not sure it was mention is that path of the pyromancer can serve as a 2 card combo with underworld breach because it refunds your mana and the combo ends with you having cards in hand and a surplus of red mana at the end. Probably not too great still but something I wanted to mention.