Matt Dillahunty delivers yet another excellent video. Matt has the ability to bring to words the thoughts of what most non Believers have tried to say. I wish I could speak as well as him. We can all learn from Matt. I have an Incredible respect for Matt, as does Millions of Followers.
Thanks for having Matt on the show and making it 3h! I watched it in separate chunks, but overall nice conversations. But people not accepting evolution are always frustrating to listen to, because they immediately reveal that they have no understanding of how it works and what it explains.
I think you are wrong disrespecting believers like that. Their belief in a god doesn't tell you anything about their intelligence and as you saw in this video they are smart and well spoken. Their reasoning is flawed in some areas and they make some wrong assumptions in other areas, but I can understand that if their information comes from a bad source and gets reinforced by their surroundings (like in the case of evolution), they'll end up holding bad positions confidently. Though I do understand your frustration of hearing the same bad arguments again and again (e.g. Pascal's wager) these arguments do their job by sounding compelling when not closer inspected. Putting all believers into one pot ignores the myriad of believers there are out there. You don't see Matt talking evolution with Francis Collins because they both agree on the topic.
The last 40 years? Try the last 2400 years. Kalam comes directly from Aristotle. The prime mover thing was pretty compelling when all we knew about space and time is what we could think really hard about while sitting on a rock. (Aristotle, by the way, thought heavy things fall faster than light things because it was common sense, and testing things was too menial. If he'd ever taken the time to take a heavy rock and a light rock and drop the fuckers, maybe we could have had the scientific revolution 2000 years early, and subsequently cured cancer, Alzheimer's, and the common cold while building massive colonies on the moon, Mars, and under the ocean using unlimited fusion power discovered in the year 400AD.)
One thing that I certainly appreciate about Dillahunty is that he consistently works to make his arguments comprehensible, and most of the arguments presented are so confusing until he speaks and clears up what the other party is saying.
The average pew sitter must be really disappointed when they first jump off the deep end into apologetics. It goes from "Jesus loves me this I know for the Bible tells me so!" and "God loves you, he can do anything!" to "Yeah... you know that prayer thing, it doesn't really work, oh and we don't know who wrote the Bible, oh and evolution actually did happen, also the universe really is 13.7 billion years old, oh and we don't actually have scientific evidence for God, oh and it turns out the ending of mark was tacked on later and the Bible you are holding is not the perfect inerrant word of God...." Must be quite a shock. I don't really understand how apologists can give so much ground but still be Christians...
That is when most become atheist. It scary to think with ALL that new information and debunking of their entire belief system.. how anyone can still remain drunk on the kool-aid. Boggles the mind. Here I am many years later.. and I still find hundreds of things wrong EVERY DAY with what I believed as a Christian. It's just nuts..
I've been an atheist for at least 25 years, and **I** still find new and astonishingly wrong things that I just assumed were correct. Just a week or so ago I discovered MOSES was not historical at all. I knew the Exodus never happened, but no one ever told me Moses was completely mythical. Why does this not come up more often? I was watching a vid about the historicity of Jesus, and someone just threw it out there that they've known for years and years that Moses was not historical as a side comment and I just about fell out of my chair. So I did some research, and sure enough--it's simple accepted scholarship that Moses was myth. What the hell? Why were people questioning Christian Bale about what kind of person Moses was? He never freakin' existed!
greyeyed123 Dude.. it's one thing after the other. There are literally thousands upon thousands of things wrong and false throughout the Bible. And that is the MAIN religion. Billions of worshipers! It boggles the mind! Hollywood could not make up crazier shit.
Kodi James We already know the flood story was plagiarized from Gilgamesh, and the Exodus has absolutely no archeological evidence or Egyptian record of ever occurring in any way. If fact, all the evidence indicates it didn't happen. It is also sort of odd that Christians would just accept Moses as the author of the Pentateuch when A) it is just Jewish tradition, not scholarship or evidence, that he authored it, B) the author of those books never signed any copies or included his name in any of the texts as the author, C) the author is describing what happened at Moses death, and D) the author is describing everything in third person ("Moses did this and Moses did that, then Moses died and everybody cried").
How many times have his arguments been debunked and how many years ago ....blimey .... Arguing from ignorance .... I dont know and neither do you so therefore god
There's such a thing as "trial and error," which could be equivocated to natural selection. If the"design" works, then it will succeed and be improved upon in subsequent models. Why this has not occurred to him, I don't know.
I've reached a point with Christians now... that if they say they don't credit evolution, I just can't take them seriously anymore. The genetic record, the fossil record, the recent studies with fast breeding animals that created new sub species incapable of interbreeding... and so on. Anyone who says they don't credit evolution to me just seems to be some armchair, internet fed professor who thinks a few weeks reading blogs is the same as a lifetime of study from millions of different people finding the same results.
Good point, but I am always interested in listening to the journey of atheists who were once Christians. I mean if it was that simple letting go of god would never have been so entertaining. "I was a Christian then I let go of god. The end"
I'm so sick of the argument from design. How can someone who thinks everything they encounter is designed believe that they are so good at telling the difference between design and non design ?
I agree with them. I just point out that nature is an awesome designer. Remember, it's call INTELLIGENT design. That farces them to show intelligence was behind the design.
Why do not the Theist show their evidence.. instead of arguing their opinions.. The debate would not only be theirs to win, but it would confirm to the world that their particular view, of their particular god, is true and real. It is as if they know they have nothing... but word play.
They do know that. That's why they have to do verbal gymnastics and try to find flaws in scientific models because they have nothing but a fiction book by unknown authors.
Eddie TheAtheist The evidence for Christianity hangs upon the case for Christ and his mission; life, death and Resurrection. Disprove that and atheists win! PS The evidence for Christianity is everywhere. Atheists just don’t want to find it.
@@maralvor - Unfortunately.. There is no tangible evidence that Christ existed. Only Legend, myth, and claims.. I.E. Hearsay. No pictures. No statues in that era. No written works done my this Christ. There are more stories of heroism and greatness of Hercules than the Christ. Sorry for being the one who had to tell you this.
@@lamaar8252 That is also a 'Claim' that is in correct. An ancient Jewish worshiper would never make a statue of Jesus at any rate. It would have been synonymous with idolatry. Greeks, Romans and others were replete with statues of there Rulers because they viewed them as gods. But in a opposing vein, Socrates is argued to not have ever been a real person because he never wrote anything, in spite of the fact they have statues. How do we know he exist? Well...🤔...his impact on the philosophical mind. Jesus' existence is well attested from enemies and followers a like. But anything historical can be denied just for the sake of denying. It's quite....for a lack of better words....childish.
@@yamabushiwarrior996 - There is no tangible evidence that Christ existed. Only Legend, myth, and claims.. I.E. Hearsay. That goes for Socrates as well.. and should not be worshipped or argued that he existed. You.... just played yourself. Try again?
Dilahunty: I'm still waiting to get beyond something beyond 'Ifs'; "If God exists," and "If he did this," and "If he did that." And then what? What is the 'then' to your list of 'Ifs'? Deist: Well, if... um... If you have, if we see... then, uh, ahem, excuse me... then, uh... Sorry, you kinda derailed me there... (nervous laughter).
They are not “Design Theorists.” At BEST, they are “Design Hypothesists.” Using Theorist smuggles in that Intelligent Design is a Theory in the scientific sense.
I meant that as a joke based on what he was saying at your time stamp. I realized when I checked the time stamp I made up randomly that he was stuttering confusedly, and it might look like I was asking a real question.
It disgusts me to hear that Matt was brought up as a child to think he would burn in hell if he wasn't saved! Of the many reasons I have to honesty say I hate religion, this would be one of the best! (It's the ideas I hate not the people!)
Wait... doesn't the atheist believe when we die, that's it? We're just maggot food? They don't believe in the soul and what happens to it when our mortal bodies give out. We will just cease to be in their view, right? Atheist mom conversation with her kid: K: Mommy what happens when I die? M: well honey nothing. Your body goes into the ground and well that's it. K:......ok Isn't that disgusting? Hell is literally separation from God. If Christians are wrong and atheists are correct, then I guess it doesn't really matter because we'll just cease to be. However, when we are at the end of life and turns out we are standing in the presence of God, would the atheist accept him? I don't even think it's eternally too late at that point. I don't know the workings of God and the extent of his grace, but my question would be if (yes I know y'all don't like the word "if" here) if you were face to face with the Existing One, would you WANT to be with him forever?
@@robbinsnest6163 Yep reality is tough, and yes I've already had the conversation with my children. It makes you focus even more on our mortality and the need to look after yourself and make the most of your life! Would I want to spend eternity with a moral monster? NO!
@@robbinsnest6163 Do I also want to live in an entirely fabricated world of fantasy and mythology, without the slightest grounding in reality, designed to control and suppress? NO!
PieInTheSky Okay here's the truth! We are AI created by the universe. I know it sounds weird but we can upload to our own virtual space with scientific understanding . No God is necessary because God is a program and test from the universe we must not fall for.
the engineer at the end is so daft that he doesn't realize that Matt just defined universe creating pixies into existence (with no justification), just like the engineer does for god (just like all Christians do). These apologists are so moronic
This was hilarious. That bloke came on and made the most ridiculous, idiotic, hyperbolic, over-reachingly ignorant statements that evolution is essentially impossible, and Matt responds with 'so genetic mutation doesn't happen?'....caller: 'errr, well, errm...I think we can agree to disagree...errm, I'll ask a different question' (i.e 'quick, change the subject!!') :-)
I seriously don’t understand this obsession of theists with knocking down evolution, no matter how many times you explain to them, that that is NOT the reason why people don’t believe in god. And also how many times do we have to repeat, evolution says NOTHING about the origin of life!
Ah, they tried to make it look like a sad video with the original picture and the title. My bet is that they bank on the fact that hearing an atheist pour his heart out about why he doesn't believe what theists believe is unappealing. Apologetics Academy shouldn't have taken Matt Dillahunty on. He's a high risk voice for a party trying to keep the faith.
Cher monsieur Matt Dillahunty sir, you are simply incredible, and you educate me every time i follow you on your You Tube videos. Sound arguments, as well as lots of patience. I laughed with this very common example of "" I believe what a believe because of my one big experience i had with the supernatural, here god!!" and responding with: -what are the reasons that brought you to believe in the way you do.....these are???? and this has more weight when there are no sound reasons but just faith all topped with a person might be found not guilty as there is no evidence to prove him being guilty but no reasonable evidences were brought forward doing that. thank you very much as this is the best way forward for anything with a doubt... merci pierre
Matt: I'm tired of hearing 'if'. What is the 'then' to your lists of 'ifs'? Bald Man: 'If...sorry, you derailed me' :-) Turns out his conclusion to the list of ifs was another if
The problem I see with saying the formation of protein structures can't occur by evolution but only by God (intelligent design) is you're not talking about what caused it (whether it was God or evolution), you're talking about HOW whatever caused it did so. The Objection is HOW evolution caused it. But if you're talking about the HOW then you have to talk about HOW God formed them as well. HOW did God create protein structures? HOW did God create DNA? What the Christian is offering as the explanation is not an explanation at all. I mean in the bible it says "God formed the man out of the dust of the ground, and blew into his nostrils the breathe of life, and the man became a living soul (being)." But HOW does that work? HOW does breathing into the nostrils of a dust sculpture make the dust turn into living cells with DNA, HOW does that form complex protein structures? Offering God as an explanation, is not actually offering an explanation at all, because nobody knows HOW God does these things they are saying he did. If you ask the question of HOW your house came to exist, would me saying a person built it answer that question? NO. The question was HOW it came to exist, not who or what caused it to exist. For the question to actually be answered I'd have to tell you HOW the person built the house. I have to tell you, "he cleared away the ground and leveled the plot of land, he poured and leveled a foundation, he put up the framing, he put in pipes and wiring, he hung drywall, etc..." That is explaining HOW the house came to exist (how it came to be). Just telling you a person did it doesn't explain HOW they did it, so it doesn't explain HOW the house came to exist. But Christians don't give the HOW, they just give the WHO. Which tells us nothing about HOW life came to exist. So it is not an explanation. In order for it to tell us HOW life came to exist, you have to explain HOW his powers work to make life, and that is the part Christians completely skip over, so they are not really offering an explanation at all.
Im not athiest for any deep reason. Ive always been athiest. And ive met people with a thousand diff magic beliefs. Everything from worshiping different gods to healing crystals, to scientology. And none ive ever heard sounded any more convincing than the rest. Christians and muslims sound the same to me as girls believing in astrology or someone worshiping Thor.
Haha I have a green anaconda. She spends more than half her Life in the water. She's going to be 18 feet and over 200 lbs some day and she's getting an 11foot x6 foot enclosure with a 6 foot x 6 foot pond. If anyone wants to see a swimming snake check her out haha. But just for the record I have 5 snakes and none of them talk. But i do see theists kill snakes and fear snakes because of the Bible when snakes are more important to the planet than humans. And that's sad
Had to skip the twit. Could he produce a more exaggerated received pronunciation? Maybe drawl it out a bit more. It didn’t hide the vagueness or his incomplete thought process.
It cannot. That's their cop-out. But the thing is, if it does not react within our space and time, then they are claiming they can detect the undetectable which is further absurdity. It is just like the invisible dragon in my garage that cannot be detected though I am positive that it is there. Ridiculousness.
anonymous johnson proven is a pretty strong word. If the universe began to exist, and the science suggests that it did, something had to bring it into existence. Assuming that you agree that things can't just pop into existence uncaused . Since matter, space and time are a part of the universe whatever brought it into existence be bound by that Realm of existence. Therefore it is outside of space-time matter and energy as we know it. It's an inference to the best explanation. Not necessarily proof. And to say that we just don't know what it is so there's no reason to believe a God did it is just a naturalism of the gaps argument.
@1:23:15 ish... I think the visible universe is like 92 billion light years across given the expansion of space an all. And, since we can't see all of it specifying visible is necessary.
When as a theists I disliked propaganda and as an atheist I dislike propaganda ...infomercials...that sort of thing. Also logical fallacies make me roll my eyes. Personal experiences I am more likely to listen rather than trolling repetitive parroted stuff I already know. Though I don't expect everyone to actually care or understand.
I know I did too fuck church nuts I was abused by churches even when I did nothing that was considered a sin aka breaking this so called gods laws but even then I was screamed at by this maniac your going to hell now as an adult if I was my age I am now I would have told that guy go fuck yourself all I saw at church was hypocritical Looney's abusing others and trying to brainwash they way you live and think no thanks anymore lol
I always felt that, like in the pixies example... That a being not being able to control its death and is a counter to the claim amine is needed to be able to create something. Like in the kalam... Since it's based off intuition, How they get to it being a being is because it takes a mind to create something. But in this universe everything dies. So intuition should lead that a God/pixie would probably also have died creating the universe. That it didn't have a control of its death and his death resulted in the universe. And if it's mind was not needed then intuitively we can not then say it needed a mind.
To add... The pixie had no choice of his life expectancy. Another cool thought... Is if you divided 2 mins in half and continued to divide the result in half... You get infinite time... So an hour in this universe would be 4 hrs in another realm 16 hrs in another realm. 256 hrs.... To Infinite time in a realm. Of course we need evidence and the answer is still I don't know.. Just cool to think about. Kinda a pointer for ppl that say an infinite regress is impossible. We don't know how time works. Plus it's special pleading to say a God can exist like in timelessness as such but exclude a natural force
He seems to be inspired by Zeno's paradoxes (greek philosopher from a few hundred years BCE), or at least my first thought when I read the above was that of his Achilles and Tortoise paradox. There's a Wikipedia article on them, if you're interested (the entry is called Zeno's paradoxes).
This might be Matt at his best. The intelligence of the callers is a HUGE factor in that. So often he is forced to suffer the ramblings of fools, it can make him quite... snippy, and who can blame him? At least these callers have (some fucking) brains in their heads.
To the self-consciousness-issue: Can somebody give me a coherent definition for what this even is? I mean, I get that this is currently a huge issue for many people (even though I don't see the issue). However it seems like it is just something the theist brings up, because it's a topic we don't have all the answers to yet... and even worse, where we don't even have a proper definition, therefore by necessity we can't possibly have a scientific model to explain it (you cannot "explain" something in scientific terms, if you don't have a proper definition). It's kind of a "god of the gaps" argument, where the theist knows that most of our answers are "We don't know", but people FEEL, simply intuitively, that there must be some deep, ground-breaking explanation. So... any definition? Any real "concept" that we even can discuss? And as the cherry on top: Any EVIDENCE that the thing you are refering to is linked to something supernatural?
I thought apologetics was a kinda insult from atheists but it seems to be a real religious thing I’m dumbfounded they can even continue to argue about anything in that way
So let me get this straight, God had to create the Universe when he did becaue he knew you had to have this conversation at this specific time after he created it?????
This the main and maybe the only reason God believers are wrong. They clam a god exist then try to make all the pieces of science fit their belief sorry we look to were the facts lead us not the other way
2:37:40 H: "There are multiple challenges to evolutionary theory" M: "If that's the case, then you should engage conversation with evolutionary biologists" H: "Which I did by the way" Cool, where are the results? Studies? What was the outcome of it? Unless your work about those "challenges" has been thoroughly examined by the scientific community, this has absolutely no compelling value.
The answer to the question that Matt was looking for in his last conversation right before the end is this. A necessary and sufficient cause cannot exist without the effect also existing unless the cause has personal agency and can decide when to cause the effect. The universe creating pixie would have to have the property of personal agency. At that point you're describing the Christian view of God so there's no point in changing the name to a Universe creating pixie. Also a necessarily existent being is only necessarily existent if his nonexistence is impossible.
The Bible in part is a great study in disbelief. In its narrative from Adam through to the killing of Jesus Christ and till the second advent of Jesus Christ belief and non-belief are one of its main themes.
Roman T you're putting the cart before the horse. Without an explanation for the origin of the information that is required for evolution to occur you can't really justify that Evolution naturally occurs.
coachmarc2002 No without an absolute answer towards abiogenesis speaks nothing towards the theory of evolution because once you have those building blocks for life everything makes sense regarding evolution and there is no other competing Theory. Once abiogenesis maybe is able to be answered creationists Will be moved into a smaller pocket and will probably just argue from the beginning of the universe. Science explains God doesn't explain anything.
That's your opinion and your entitled to it. At least give you props for being polite about it . What it really boils down to is that my worldview allows for an outside intelligence to be involved in the design that theists call obvious and atheists call apparent. The type of information in DNA that is required for life to get started had to come from somewhere. Theists say God is the source of the information and instructions that DNA gives for the building of proteins and other molecular machines required for a single cell to survive and replicate itself. An atheist can't allow for an outside intelligence to be involved so they suppress their own ability to Intuit design in what they see around them in the world and the specified complex information that science demonstrates is in the genome. An atheist must believe that that type of information arose from a non intelligent source. That being matter just laying around someplace assembled itself into a living self-replicating organism. My opinion is that it takes a lot more faith to believe that than to believe that there is an intelligent God directing everything.
coachmarc2002 I think when it comes to science whether someone is an atheist or Theist should have no bearing. When scientists look at the anything they have never come across anything pointing to an outer intelligence, good scientists aren't bias in that they have to hold onto a belief in atheism. Faith is only held in high regard in religion and creationists have to put that on atheists in that way to make a false equivalency because science doesn't take faith it has evidence for the things it observes. Did you listen to Matt during this or any other time is pretty good at explaining things.
This video is another example of how religion indoctrination can inhibit an individual's ability to think critically. It throws a monkey wrench in, and it can take years of effort to break free.
And the Bible say too, „Jesus“ is a abstract Person! He is not a real Person, he is only in your Heart, nothing more! This is a case of your Believs!!! But very dangerous Believs!!!
Just what is “The Christian World View? There are so many distinct differences between the different “brands” of Christianity, it all adds up to a whole lot of B.S. to me!!!
Josh has an irritating voice and I hope he loses some of that veiled arrogance as he matures. Please, don't start and restart your sentences five times before finally producing a coherent sentence. And why thrust yourself into the conversation when you haven't heard the first half? Matt explained his position very thoroughly at the start. Sorry, I've listened to this video twice now and Josh's voice and inept argumentation annoyed me more and more. He does seem intelligent enough to understand these complex logical arguments, but his head is full of apologist misinformation. Everything he said seemed to be regurgitations of other people's fallacies. I didn't feel he was engaging his mind with anything Matt said - he was simple readying his next soundbite. Sorry Josh, I know I sound mean. I suspect you are the product of religious indoctrination. Why not read some non-apologist philosophy and natural sciences (protein chemistry is amazing!). You will then be better equipped to see the flaws in the indoctrination and won't need shoehorn apologist arguments into these discussion on the fly. That approach doesn't help you understand anything.
I still find my point of a lack of humility to be devastating to the claims of theists being "humble". It's not meant to be insulting, but a simple expression of reality. If you believe that the creator of a 46.5b ly wide universe, and 24.5 million species is your father, expresses *any* concern with how you conduct yourself, and most importantly, that you carry around it's message, and know what it wants... ...then there is no way you can ever claim humility. It is the epitome of pompacity. It is the exact vacuum of humility. There is no scope you can apply that minimizes the arrogance and egotistical stature of the claim.
Ugh, for reals, right? Still off when I flip the two by a huge margin of error. Gotta watch that. I actually did so when I asked Matt the question. Embarrassing.
sorry to sound rude.. i know Matt does not like it........but what the hell- these guys all look same to me.... the may be a very nice good , kind, honest men, yet they all look same.....not all of them, but vast majority...........am i imagining this?
There are several other animals that will compete with humans in long distance. Researching the claim was interesting. I don't think the typical American gets to include themselves in this claim either. I bet Matt's ass couldn't do a 1/4 mile run.
Fully agree that the average American could NOT go a full day of constant running, but ultra-marathon runners aren't exactly non-american, and even the idea of how far and how fast that pace is can boggle anyone's mind! I brought this fact up as it ties in well with this false notion that evolution isn't a thing. Our ancestors, who were moving away from quadrupedal walking to being bipeds managed to conserve calories and energy from less motion (walking instead of sauntering) and therefore able to spend less energy on hunting and gathering to spending more time reproducing. Yet when we look at the human skeleton we see all the remnants of an animal that once walked on all fours. Regardless of all that, I've always wanted to disagree with Matt on something, sure I could kick his butt at a 1/4 mile run but I want to be able to reason as well he can.
I can't believe Mat was convinced by Bart Erhman that that Jesus did in fact exist .. based on the weak evidence Erhman brought to the table in his debate with Dr. Robert Price...I'm very disappointed.
Jesus not existing would completely destroy Christianity but it's likely something that's not going to ever be proven.he's always been willing to accept that Jesus was a historical figure or was based on multiple historical figures I don't really see it as that big of a deal.because even if there was a historical Jesus that doesn't confirm the existence of a God and it does not confirm the supernatural claims of Jesus in any way.
Mom, she is a Atheist, Father too, a Granny? Mom of Mom, Presbiterian or Baptist, Adventist, and you have a big problem at Home!!! You are an Atheist and Sister Catholic?!!!
I have very long time opinions War with my Sister and Brothers too! Because the Violence in the Bible! My Sister, she doesn’t talking with me more, but my Brother and my Son too, are not much better! All Conflicts in our Family products the Bible! This is a not simple case, Religion separate the people!
2:29:00 That is just begging the question. Information is associated with intelligence, but intelligence is associated with DNA that contains information. You skipped the part that all known intelligence is human intelligence, and humans are made by DNA. So, you can't use your historical abductive method, because that method should you lead to the conclusion that people made DNA who are made by DNA. You just assume that there is some other intelligence that made DNA that makes people, hence you already assume what you ought to prove. Your Apologetics Academy is riddled with logical fallacies.
Erwin Müller nobody claimed that humans made DNA you knucklehead. They claim that intelligence is required for DNA. It's pretty obvious that the intelligence would mean God not humans. Therefore your circularity argument is bogus.
coachmarc2002 no, that's the thing you moron. It's not "obvious" that the intelligence in question is god. "Historical abductive" method relies on - gasp! - history, i.e. things that we know already happened. We know humans have happened, and they have intelligence. Therefore, if you are to claim that intelligence is required for creating the DNA, the prime (and really, _only_ ) candidate for this spot is humans, not god. God isn't anywhere to be found in history, and to assume him as the "obvious" answer *is* a fallacy.
Out of my misery that's one of the dumbest things that I've ever heard. How could Human intelligence be responsible for the information in DNA when we need DNA to exist? Really? You can't be that stupid.
How is Salvador a part-time biologist at NIH? Grad student, huh? First year Grad Student maybe? But seriously, already went through Org-Chem. and does not understand how to science? Only one Universe we can see, therefor God...very well thought out.
If baby's lived forever in baby form would you think something supernatural was going on???? Matt... WTF! No...I would probably try to seek out an explanation that make's sense... But wouldn't that negate the possibility of god??? No.............. I win!!!
Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles. So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. They traded the truth about God for a lie.
@@terryboot7777 JESUS LOVES YOU my friend! The truth will set YOU FREE! but only if you want...the choice is entirely up to YOU! thank you for the little funny face, so i could engage you in conversation! let's talk
oh hi, thank you for your comments and questions. To answer one of your questions very simply, what is the truth...well Jesus is the Truth. Everything about Jesus is the truth, all that Jesus said and did truth...Jesus is the complete embodyment of truth...walking living truth. Not one single bit of Jesus is anything but truth, right down to the core. I'd like to think that most of what i think is true but i know better, i know that there are things that i think that are not all true...what those things are, i am not sure of yet...but as i go along and look to God to know what is true, i learn along the way. I did not just read the Bible and believe it for no reason...it is not a shallow belief in something because i read it in a book or because some people said it is true...because i'd say more people say the Bible is untrue more than the people who know it is true. I know it is true because of miraculus events in my life and the most signifigent one was not long after i cried out to God and prayed to God to forgive me of my sin...telling God i was so very sorry for the all the bad things i had done and that i did not want to do any bad things ever again along side that was my faith in Jesus beleiving that Christ, Jesus had died for my sins and that i could be forgiven. And low and behold maybe about a week or two after i prayed ernestly to God...the miraculous happened and it just so happened at my Grandmothers funneral...and i had no idea this was going to happen...not even the slightest idea...but Jesus came in the Spirit and baptised me in the Holy Spirit and in an instand i felt all my sins washed away, forgiven, cleansed and this weight of guilt that i was carrying lifted off of my shoulders that i had no idea that guilt could even have a weight but it does and it can...but this weight that i had no idea that i had on me...that i was carrying was instantly lifted and i felt a Holy Presence...and this Holy presence came into me...and witnessed to me, told me that it is the Holy Spirit that is in me...the Spirit of God, His Holy Spirit told me and i could feel Him and still can and still do and also i was filled with JOY AND PEACE AND LOVE and my whole body was tinggly inside and out and i felt so light that i felt like i was going to lift right off of the floor in front of everyone...i didn't mind you but i think i could have and someday i will when Jesus comes back. After this happened to me...when i was reading the Bible i found out what happened to me was in the Bible...that Gid gives people the Holy Spirit...i found out after i received it...and after that i was filled with love for everyone...a deep sense of love for every person. Many many things have happened since then and many miraculous events that can not just be explained away but chance. You may find this hard to believe when i tell you that i know that i know the truth! And how do i know, because God has revealed the truth to me with certainty and you too can know what is true...befor that i did not know if God even existed...nor could i know, nor can anyone because it is sin that seperates people from God and that makes them blind and in darkness because of sin and they can not figure it out in their mind. Because to know God it is through the heart by the Holy Spirit because God is Spirit ans truth and light and life, Holy and pure. You can come into a relationship with God through Christ...God wants to bring you out of darkness and death and into the light and life forever with Him as an adopted Child of God...A wonderful position to be in and it is all a free gift from God because God is love...nothing we can do to earn it or deserve it...God provides everything...Such a wonderful Father...God is so good to us...and we get to choose to embrace all the goodness of God or regect God for evil...you get to choose my friend and God will even help you choose and find the Way to Him and He is even calling you right now in Jesus name amen
@Psicólogo Miguel Cisneros well no, your experience will most likely not be exactly the same, but will have similarities. Well pretty much, if you truly are sorry, and you go to God and confess, and if you have the desire to live for God, with faith in Jesus. God will know if you are serious or not about this, your motives and such...if you are genuine about it, God will receive you. Simple child-like faith, it is not complicated, God knows and sees your heart.
@Psicólogo Miguel Cisneros oh okay, interesting; i was wondering what was going on with you and your specific line of questioning...now i know. There are some things about your story, your dream that make me think that it was not Jesus. Like for one, you being scared, to death even and then when you asked a question, you did not get an answer strait away. Jesus would know "Who" you meant. Honestly, it sounds like a demonic action, trying to keep you away from a true encounter with Christ. I think if it was Jesus, you would have had an overwhelming sense of peace and love, and felt a Holy presence, and you would not be scared; but the last part, the beam of light and the feeling of "ascending up", now that sounds like JESUS, bringing YOU UP AND OUT of death, the pit and out of the presence of demons. I feel like the Holy Spirit is bearing witness to me this; the beginning of your dream was demonic, but then Jesus came and brought you out! This it think is really good news, it looks like YOU ARE GOING TO BE A CHILD OF GOD, if you are not already! Just keep seeking after God, after Jesus and God will reveal to you the answer to the questions you are having and will confirm with you, if you are His! And if you are not yet born-again just keep pressing in towards God, until you are; with faith in Jesus. The Holy Spirit will guide you!
Indoctrination with a Christian Education at Home, is much worse than any fucking Virus! You can not talking with Your Family, what can I say about people, outside of Family! Atheism is a most hates Ideo logy in any Country, that’s is True! Good Book of Mr Darrel Ray, very good Book, much, much better, than Dawkins Garbage!!! But, what I wanted say? Indoctrination is a very big Sociaty problem!
Matt Dillahunty delivers yet another excellent video. Matt has the ability to bring to words the thoughts of what most non Believers have tried to say. I wish I could speak as well as him. We can all learn from Matt.
I have an Incredible respect for Matt, as does Millions of Followers.
Scott Preston sometimes your idols arent who you expect them to be! This true for me when I comes to Matt
Thanks for having Matt on the show and making it 3h! I watched it in separate chunks, but overall nice conversations.
But people not accepting evolution are always frustrating to listen to, because they immediately reveal that they have no understanding of how it works and what it explains.
I think you are wrong disrespecting believers like that.
Their belief in a god doesn't tell you anything about their intelligence and as you saw in this video they are smart and well spoken.
Their reasoning is flawed in some areas and they make some wrong assumptions in other areas, but I can understand that if their information comes from a bad source and gets reinforced by their surroundings (like in the case of evolution), they'll end up holding bad positions confidently.
Though I do understand your frustration of hearing the same bad arguments again and again (e.g. Pascal's wager) these arguments do their job by sounding compelling when not closer inspected.
Putting all believers into one pot ignores the myriad of believers there are out there. You don't see Matt talking evolution with Francis Collins because they both agree on the topic.
The last 40 years? Try the last 2400 years. Kalam comes directly from Aristotle. The prime mover thing was pretty compelling when all we knew about space and time is what we could think really hard about while sitting on a rock. (Aristotle, by the way, thought heavy things fall faster than light things because it was common sense, and testing things was too menial. If he'd ever taken the time to take a heavy rock and a light rock and drop the fuckers, maybe we could have had the scientific revolution 2000 years early, and subsequently cured cancer, Alzheimer's, and the common cold while building massive colonies on the moon, Mars, and under the ocean using unlimited fusion power discovered in the year 400AD.)
I wouldn't call someone who consistently comes to wrong conclusions due to willful ignorance and poor thinking borne of emotional attachment "smart."
ABarton43 I note you say "probably".
I am British. I use irony.
please folks...instead of making shit up to explain the world/universe etc... JUST SAY I DONT KNOW !!!!! HOW HARD IS IT???
One thing that I certainly appreciate about Dillahunty is that he consistently works to make his arguments comprehensible, and most of the arguments presented are so confusing until he speaks and clears up what the other party is saying.
Another great Guest appearance by Matt Dilly. I follow him wherever he goes. Keep it up Matt!!!
Do you really prefer Superman that much over Batman?
The average pew sitter must be really disappointed when they first jump off the deep end into apologetics. It goes from "Jesus loves me this I know for the Bible tells me so!" and "God loves you, he can do anything!" to "Yeah... you know that prayer thing, it doesn't really work, oh and we don't know who wrote the Bible, oh and evolution actually did happen, also the universe really is 13.7 billion years old, oh and we don't actually have scientific evidence for God, oh and it turns out the ending of mark was tacked on later and the Bible you are holding is not the perfect inerrant word of God...."
Must be quite a shock. I don't really understand how apologists can give so much ground but still be Christians...
That is when most become atheist. It scary to think with ALL that new information and debunking of their entire belief system.. how anyone can still remain drunk on the kool-aid. Boggles the mind.
Here I am many years later.. and I still find hundreds of things wrong EVERY DAY with what I believed as a Christian. It's just nuts..
I've been an atheist for at least 25 years, and **I** still find new and astonishingly wrong things that I just assumed were correct. Just a week or so ago I discovered MOSES was not historical at all. I knew the Exodus never happened, but no one ever told me Moses was completely mythical. Why does this not come up more often? I was watching a vid about the historicity of Jesus, and someone just threw it out there that they've known for years and years that Moses was not historical as a side comment and I just about fell out of my chair. So I did some research, and sure enough--it's simple accepted scholarship that Moses was myth. What the hell? Why were people questioning Christian Bale about what kind of person Moses was? He never freakin' existed!
greyeyed123
Dude.. it's one thing after the other. There are literally thousands upon thousands of things wrong and false throughout the Bible. And that is the MAIN religion. Billions of worshipers! It boggles the mind! Hollywood could not make up crazier shit.
+greyeyed123 If Moses is 'fictional'...that means that he 'DIDN'T' (write) the FIRST FIVE BOOKS of the Bible...as Bible Scholars 'claim'.
Kodi James We already know the flood story was plagiarized from Gilgamesh, and the Exodus has absolutely no archeological evidence or Egyptian record of ever occurring in any way. If fact, all the evidence indicates it didn't happen. It is also sort of odd that Christians would just accept Moses as the author of the Pentateuch when A) it is just Jewish tradition, not scholarship or evidence, that he authored it, B) the author of those books never signed any copies or included his name in any of the texts as the author, C) the author is describing what happened at Moses death, and D) the author is describing everything in third person ("Moses did this and Moses did that, then Moses died and everybody cried").
Matt's right about TH-cam comments being a cesspool but they're still good fun
all life started in a cesspool.
I'm mildly concerned that that last guy is a structural engineer.
As long as you remember that math is a secular conspiracy, you'll be fine.
How many times have his arguments been debunked and how many years ago ....blimey .... Arguing from ignorance .... I dont know and neither do you so therefore god
It's almost enough to make me pray every time I cross a bridge. Almost.
There's such a thing as "trial and error," which could be equivocated to natural selection. If the"design" works, then it will succeed and be improved upon in subsequent models.
Why this has not occurred to him, I don't know.
very suitable picture
I've reached a point with Christians now... that if they say they don't credit evolution, I just can't take them seriously anymore. The genetic record, the fossil record, the recent studies with fast breeding animals that created new sub species incapable of interbreeding... and so on. Anyone who says they don't credit evolution to me just seems to be some armchair, internet fed professor who thinks a few weeks reading blogs is the same as a lifetime of study from millions of different people finding the same results.
I mean, even the HIV virus mutate, isn't THAT evolution?!
Q: Why are you an atheist?
A: Because I'm not convinced that god or gods exist. Next!
Good point, but I am always interested in listening to the journey of atheists who were once Christians. I mean if it was that simple letting go of god would never have been so entertaining. "I was a Christian then I let go of god. The end"
I'm so sick of the argument from design. How can someone who thinks everything they encounter is designed believe that they are so good at telling the difference between design and non design ?
I agree with them. I just point out that nature is an awesome designer. Remember, it's call INTELLIGENT design. That farces them to show intelligence was behind the design.
Why do not the Theist show their evidence.. instead of arguing their opinions.. The debate would not only be theirs to win, but it would confirm to the world that their particular view, of their particular god, is true and real. It is as if they know they have nothing... but word play.
They do know that. That's why they have to do verbal gymnastics and try to find flaws in scientific models because they have nothing but a fiction book by unknown authors.
Eddie TheAtheist The evidence for Christianity hangs upon the case for Christ and his mission; life, death and Resurrection. Disprove that and atheists win! PS The evidence for Christianity is everywhere. Atheists just don’t want to find it.
@@maralvor - Unfortunately.. There is no tangible evidence that Christ existed. Only Legend, myth, and claims.. I.E. Hearsay. No pictures. No statues in that era. No written works done my this Christ. There are more stories of heroism and greatness of Hercules than the Christ.
Sorry for being the one who had to tell you this.
@@lamaar8252
That is also a 'Claim' that is in correct.
An ancient Jewish worshiper would never make a statue of Jesus at any rate. It would have been synonymous with idolatry. Greeks, Romans and others were replete with statues of there Rulers because they viewed them as gods.
But in a opposing vein, Socrates is argued to not have ever been a real person because he never wrote anything, in spite of the fact they have statues. How do we know he exist?
Well...🤔...his impact on the philosophical mind. Jesus' existence is well attested from enemies and followers a like. But anything historical can be denied just for the sake of denying. It's quite....for a lack of better words....childish.
@@yamabushiwarrior996 - There is no tangible evidence that Christ existed. Only Legend, myth, and claims.. I.E. Hearsay. That goes for Socrates as well.. and should not be worshipped or argued that he existed. You.... just played yourself. Try again?
Dilahunty: I'm still waiting to get beyond something beyond 'Ifs'; "If God exists," and "If he did this," and "If he did that." And then what? What is the 'then' to your list of 'Ifs'?
Deist: Well, if... um... If you have, if we see... then, uh, ahem, excuse me... then, uh... Sorry, you kinda derailed me there... (nervous laughter).
I learned a lot from watching this. Real cool
MATT DILLAHUNTY for president!!!!!!!
yetisuncle Too late, God has already chosen Donald J Trump, for that honor.
mrtadreamer Kind of shows Matt's chances in this age :/
did god also choose all world leaders? r only trump?
'Hunty for '20
They are not “Design Theorists.” At BEST, they are “Design Hypothesists.” Using Theorist smuggles in that Intelligent Design is a Theory in the scientific sense.
Oh man this show was so good then I had to hear the same old anti evolution parts again. Matt handles things so well. I envy that skill.
2:57:54 dude gets hopelessly lost trying to keep up with Dillahunty.. love it
Why didn't he get lost at 2:48:14?
I meant that as a joke based on what he was saying at your time stamp. I realized when I checked the time stamp I made up randomly that he was stuttering confusedly, and it might look like I was asking a real question.
Dude gets lost all the fucking time it would seem. if, if, if, if.... then goes on to smile like a fool.
It disgusts me to hear that Matt was brought up as a child to think he would burn in hell if he wasn't saved!
Of the many reasons I have to honesty say I hate religion, this would be one of the best!
(It's the ideas I hate not the people!)
Yes, the people are victims. The scriptures are the focus of my dislike.
Wait... doesn't the atheist believe when we die, that's it? We're just maggot food? They don't believe in the soul and what happens to it when our mortal bodies give out. We will just cease to be in their view, right?
Atheist mom conversation with her kid:
K: Mommy what happens when I die?
M: well honey nothing. Your body goes into the ground and well that's it.
K:......ok
Isn't that disgusting?
Hell is literally separation from God.
If Christians are wrong and atheists are correct, then I guess it doesn't really matter because we'll just cease to be.
However, when we are at the end of life and turns out we are standing in the presence of God, would the atheist accept him? I don't even think it's eternally too late at that point. I don't know the workings of God and the extent of his grace, but my question would be if (yes I know y'all don't like the word "if" here) if you were face to face with the Existing One, would you WANT to be with him forever?
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Yep reality is tough, and yes I've already had the conversation with my children.
It makes you focus even more on our mortality and the need to look after yourself and make the most of your life!
Would I want to spend eternity with a moral monster?
NO!
@@robbinsnest6163
Do I also want to live in an entirely fabricated world of fantasy and mythology, without the slightest grounding in reality, designed to control and suppress?
NO!
Goddamn, if your question takes over a minute to ask, then it's probably not a good question.
PieInTheSky Okay here's the truth! We are AI created by the universe. I know it sounds weird but we can upload to our own virtual space with scientific understanding . No God is necessary because God is a program and test from the universe we must not fall for.
Snickers are great when dunked in hot tea.
the engineer at the end is so daft that he doesn't realize that Matt just defined universe creating pixies into existence (with no justification), just like the engineer does for god (just like all Christians do). These apologists are so moronic
2:18:10 "Agree to disagree" on whether or not mutations happen?
I wish Matt would have pushed this guy to his limit....which wouldn't have taken much.
This was hilarious. That bloke came on and made the most ridiculous, idiotic, hyperbolic, over-reachingly ignorant statements that evolution is essentially impossible, and Matt responds with 'so genetic mutation doesn't happen?'....caller: 'errr, well, errm...I think we can agree to disagree...errm, I'll ask a different question' (i.e 'quick, change the subject!!') :-)
Notice how this show has the most views of any Apologetics Academy videos......
Pngiaca
it's all the groupies
Its because the rest of the videos aren't worth watching.
I seriously don’t understand this obsession of theists with knocking down evolution, no matter how many times you explain to them, that that is NOT the reason why people don’t believe in god. And also how many times do we have to repeat, evolution says NOTHING about the origin of life!
Good Speech Matt!!!
Ah, they tried to make it look like a sad video with the original picture and the title. My bet is that they bank on the fact that hearing an atheist pour his heart out about why he doesn't believe what theists believe is unappealing.
Apologetics Academy shouldn't have taken Matt Dillahunty on. He's a high risk voice for a party trying to keep the faith.
haha oh wow..
K Murph
Is Matt Dillahunty too disturbing for you?
Perhaps his approach is the correct one and religion really is a load of baloney!
a. y I'm an atheist. There seems to be a miscommunication between me and you if that was your response.
Ah apologies. . and congratulations!
Matt, Thanks for Visiting!!!
''Science is the single most consistently reliable method...'' Matt's favorite phrase 😂
Why do theists even bother trying to debate?
Great great job Matt.
Amazing video
What a winning smile
I hoped you like it!
It was interesting.
Matt is a certified badass.
I do appreciate that Jonathan allows secular scholars, and non-theist on his show… I think that's pretty cool...
Cher monsieur Matt Dillahunty
sir, you are simply incredible, and you educate me every time i follow you on your You Tube videos.
Sound arguments, as well as lots of patience.
I laughed with this very common example of "" I believe what a believe because of my one big experience i had with the supernatural, here god!!"
and responding with:
-what are the reasons that brought you to believe in the way you do.....these are????
and this has more weight when there are no sound reasons but just faith
all topped with a person might be found not guilty as there is no evidence to prove him being guilty but no reasonable evidences were brought forward doing that.
thank you very much as this is the best way forward for anything with a doubt...
merci pierre
looks like the quality of questions were sorted..most coherent to least
Matt: I'm tired of hearing 'if'. What is the 'then' to your lists of 'ifs'?
Bald Man: 'If...sorry, you derailed me' :-)
Turns out his conclusion to the list of ifs was another if
The problem I see with saying the formation of protein structures can't occur by evolution but only by God (intelligent design) is you're not talking about what caused it (whether it was God or evolution), you're talking about HOW whatever caused it did so.
The Objection is HOW evolution caused it. But if you're talking about the HOW then you have to talk about HOW God formed them as well.
HOW did God create protein structures? HOW did God create DNA? What the Christian is offering as the explanation is not an explanation at all.
I mean in the bible it says "God formed the man out of the dust of the ground, and blew into his nostrils the breathe of life, and the man became a living soul (being)."
But HOW does that work? HOW does breathing into the nostrils of a dust sculpture make the dust turn into living cells with DNA, HOW does that form complex protein structures?
Offering God as an explanation, is not actually offering an explanation at all, because nobody knows HOW God does these things they are saying he did.
If you ask the question of HOW your house came to exist, would me saying a person built it answer that question? NO.
The question was HOW it came to exist, not who or what caused it to exist.
For the question to actually be answered I'd have to tell you HOW the person built the house. I have to tell you, "he cleared away the ground and leveled the plot of land, he poured and leveled a foundation, he put up the framing, he put in pipes and wiring, he hung drywall, etc..."
That is explaining HOW the house came to exist (how it came to be). Just telling you a person did it doesn't explain HOW they did it, so it doesn't explain HOW the house came to exist.
But Christians don't give the HOW, they just give the WHO. Which tells us nothing about HOW life came to exist. So it is not an explanation. In order for it to tell us HOW life came to exist, you have to explain HOW his powers work to make life, and that is the part Christians completely skip over, so they are not really offering an explanation at all.
High five Matt
Im not athiest for any deep reason. Ive always been athiest. And ive met people with a thousand diff magic beliefs. Everything from worshiping different gods to healing crystals, to scientology. And none ive ever heard sounded any more convincing than the rest. Christians and muslims sound the same to me as girls believing in astrology or someone worshiping Thor.
A great conversation.
Frodo? Is that you?
Lol I love Lord of the rings
The ideological War at Home, in Family isn’t simple case, and I Talking with big experience!!!
It is a same Story of Ludwig Feuerbach too!!!
It is like a Case of Friedrich Nietzsche too!!!
2:52:53 Almost feel bad for the guy....wow
Haha I have a green anaconda. She spends more than half her Life in the water. She's going to be 18 feet and over 200 lbs some day and she's getting an 11foot x6 foot enclosure with a 6 foot x 6 foot pond. If anyone wants to see a swimming snake check her out haha. But just for the record I have 5 snakes and none of them talk. But i do see theists kill snakes and fear snakes because of the Bible when snakes are more important to the planet than humans. And that's sad
Had to skip the twit. Could he produce a more exaggerated received pronunciation? Maybe drawl it out a bit more. It didn’t hide the vagueness or his incomplete thought process.
If something is outside of space and time, how could it ever be proven to exist?
It cannot. That's their cop-out. But the thing is, if it does not react within our space and time, then they are claiming they can detect the undetectable which is further absurdity. It is just like the invisible dragon in my garage that cannot be detected though I am positive that it is there. Ridiculousness.
anonymous johnson proven is a pretty strong word. If the universe began to exist, and the science suggests that it did, something had to bring it into existence. Assuming that you agree that things can't just pop into existence uncaused . Since matter, space and time are a part of the universe whatever brought it into existence be bound by that Realm of existence. Therefore it is outside of space-time matter and energy as we know it. It's an inference to the best explanation. Not necessarily proof. And to say that we just don't know what it is so there's no reason to believe a God did it is just a naturalism of the gaps argument.
@@coachmarc2002 That's illogical.
Ya bro it's literally Looney tunes haha
"God existed when time wasn't, in a place which isn't!"
@1:23:15 ish... I think the visible universe is like 92 billion light years across given the expansion of space an all. And, since we can't see all of it specifying visible is necessary.
When as a theists I disliked propaganda and as an atheist I dislike propaganda ...infomercials...that sort of thing. Also logical fallacies make me roll my eyes. Personal experiences I am more likely to listen rather than trolling repetitive parroted stuff I already know. Though I don't expect everyone to actually care or understand.
fumbling must be fun for the last apologist, he does it for a very long time...from very soon after his zero point...
This guy at 2:13:00 is just insufferable...
You weren't kidding. He puts the suffer in insufferable.
Thank God Matt escaped from that cult.
I know I did too fuck church nuts I was abused by churches even when I did nothing that was considered a sin aka breaking this so called gods laws but even then I was screamed at by this maniac your going to hell now as an adult if I was my age I am now I would have told that guy go fuck yourself all I saw at church was hypocritical Looney's abusing others and trying to brainwash they way you live and think no thanks anymore lol
I don't believe in any gods. Do you have some scientific evidence that a god exists?
@Heelcather could you explain?
@Heelcather Ok np...GL
I always felt that, like in the pixies example... That a being not being able to control its death and is a counter to the claim amine is needed to be able to create something. Like in the kalam... Since it's based off intuition, How they get to it being a being is because it takes a mind to create something. But in this universe everything dies. So intuition should lead that a God/pixie would probably also have died creating the universe. That it didn't have a control of its death and his death resulted in the universe. And if it's mind was not needed then intuitively we can not then say it needed a mind.
To add... The pixie had no choice of his life expectancy.
Another cool thought... Is if you divided 2 mins in half and continued to divide the result in half... You get infinite time... So an hour in this universe would be 4 hrs in another realm 16 hrs in another realm. 256 hrs.... To Infinite time in a realm. Of course we need evidence and the answer is still I don't know.. Just cool to think about. Kinda a pointer for ppl that say an infinite regress is impossible. We don't know how time works. Plus it's special pleading to say a God can exist like in timelessness as such but exclude a natural force
He seems to be inspired by Zeno's paradoxes (greek philosopher from a few hundred years BCE), or at least my first thought when I read the above was that of his Achilles and Tortoise paradox. There's a Wikipedia article on them, if you're interested (the entry is called Zeno's paradoxes).
This might be Matt at his best.
The intelligence of the callers is a HUGE factor in that.
So often he is forced to suffer the ramblings of fools, it can make him quite... snippy, and who can blame him? At least these callers have (some fucking) brains in their heads.
To the self-consciousness-issue:
Can somebody give me a coherent definition for what this even is?
I mean, I get that this is currently a huge issue for many people (even though I don't see the issue). However it seems like it is just something the theist brings up, because it's a topic we don't have all the answers to yet... and even worse, where we don't even have a proper definition, therefore by necessity we can't possibly have a scientific model to explain it (you cannot "explain" something in scientific terms, if you don't have a proper definition). It's kind of a "god of the gaps" argument, where the theist knows that most of our answers are "We don't know", but people FEEL, simply intuitively, that there must be some deep, ground-breaking explanation.
So... any definition? Any real "concept" that we even can discuss?
And as the cherry on top: Any EVIDENCE that the thing you are refering to is linked to something supernatural?
I thought apologetics was a kinda insult from atheists but it seems to be a real religious thing I’m dumbfounded they can even continue to argue about anything in that way
May be Joshua 10?!!!
Matt, please, read the Book: „Denn sie wissen nicht, was sie glauben“ of Franz Buggle!!! Only on german Language!!!
So let me get this straight, God had to create the Universe when he did becaue he knew you had to have this conversation at this specific time after he created it?????
1:01:45 hmmm.. No.
This the main and maybe the only reason God believers are wrong. They clam a god exist then try to make all the pieces of science fit their belief sorry we look to were the facts lead us not the other way
I was an agnostic turned Atheist LMFAO 🤣😂🤦🏿♂️
2:37:40
H: "There are multiple challenges to evolutionary theory"
M: "If that's the case, then you should engage conversation with evolutionary biologists"
H: "Which I did by the way"
Cool, where are the results? Studies? What was the outcome of it?
Unless your work about those "challenges" has been thoroughly examined by the scientific community, this has absolutely no compelling value.
The answer to the question that Matt was looking for in his last conversation right before the end is this. A necessary and sufficient cause cannot exist without the effect also existing unless the cause has personal agency and can decide when to cause the effect. The universe creating pixie would have to have the property of personal agency. At that point you're describing the Christian view of God so there's no point in changing the name to a Universe creating pixie. Also a necessarily existent being is only necessarily existent if his nonexistence is impossible.
I suspect the bald guy knows what Matt is saying but he has to try to backup his nonsense
What is wrong with these stupid commenters who only insult people & can't think of anything useful to say?
Matt, did you have a religious or ideological War at your Family? I had!!!
i am, in fact, unconvinced in regards of the existence of god. (a fact that was still ungotten three hours later n later)
they say i am lyn. i am sure about god. also, my fave color is aquamarine. i must not denie this.
because i supress the fact being spastically posessed by the devil, which would prove god to exist also. th-cam.com/video/NtTDseSjX2Y/w-d-xo.html
The Bible in part is a great study in disbelief. In its narrative from Adam through to the killing of Jesus Christ and till the second advent of Jesus Christ belief and non-belief are one of its main themes.
If, if, if...if. And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Grow up.
They always have to go for a biogenesis because evolution already destroyed the god Theory so they have to move it back.
Roman T you're putting the cart before the horse. Without an explanation for the origin of the information that is required for evolution to occur you can't really justify that Evolution naturally occurs.
coachmarc2002 No without an absolute answer towards abiogenesis speaks nothing towards the theory of evolution because once you have those building blocks for life everything makes sense regarding evolution and there is no other competing Theory. Once abiogenesis maybe is able to be answered creationists Will be moved into a smaller pocket and will probably just argue from the beginning of the universe. Science explains God doesn't explain anything.
coachmarc2002 you can justify evolution because there is multiple branches in science that back it up 100%
That's your opinion and your entitled to it. At least give you props for being polite about it . What it really boils down to is that my worldview allows for an outside intelligence to be involved in the design that theists call obvious and atheists call apparent. The type of information in DNA that is required for life to get started had to come from somewhere. Theists say God is the source of the information and instructions that DNA gives for the building of proteins and other molecular machines required for a single cell to survive and replicate itself. An atheist can't allow for an outside intelligence to be involved so they suppress their own ability to Intuit design in what they see around them in the world and the specified complex information that science demonstrates is in the genome. An atheist must believe that that type of information arose from a non intelligent source. That being matter just laying around someplace assembled itself into a living self-replicating organism. My opinion is that it takes a lot more faith to believe that than to believe that there is an intelligent God directing everything.
coachmarc2002 I think when it comes to science whether someone is an atheist or Theist should have no bearing. When scientists look at the anything they have never come across anything pointing to an outer intelligence, good scientists aren't bias in that they have to hold onto a belief in atheism. Faith is only held in high regard in religion and creationists have to put that on atheists in that way to make a false equivalency because science doesn't take faith it has evidence for the things it observes. Did you listen to Matt during this or any other time is pretty good at explaining things.
This video is another example of how religion indoctrination can inhibit an individual's ability to think critically. It throws a monkey wrench in, and it can take years of effort to break free.
And the Bible say too, „Jesus“ is a abstract Person! He is not a real Person, he is only in your Heart, nothing more! This is a case of your Believs!!! But very dangerous Believs!!!
Just what is “The Christian World View? There are so many distinct differences between the different “brands” of Christianity, it all adds up to a whole lot of B.S. to me!!!
Josh has an irritating voice and I hope he loses some of that veiled arrogance as he matures. Please, don't start and restart your sentences five times before finally producing a coherent sentence. And why thrust yourself into the conversation when you haven't heard the first half? Matt explained his position very thoroughly at the start.
Sorry, I've listened to this video twice now and Josh's voice and inept argumentation annoyed me more and more. He does seem intelligent enough to understand these complex logical arguments, but his head is full of apologist misinformation. Everything he said seemed to be regurgitations of other people's fallacies. I didn't feel he was engaging his mind with anything Matt said - he was simple readying his next soundbite.
Sorry Josh, I know I sound mean. I suspect you are the product of religious indoctrination. Why not read some non-apologist philosophy and natural sciences (protein chemistry is amazing!). You will then be better equipped to see the flaws in the indoctrination and won't need shoehorn apologist arguments into these discussion on the fly. That approach doesn't help you understand anything.
I still find my point of a lack of humility to be devastating to the claims of theists being "humble".
It's not meant to be insulting, but a simple expression of reality.
If you believe that the creator of a 46.5b ly wide universe, and 24.5 million species is your father, expresses *any* concern with how you conduct yourself, and most importantly, that you carry around it's message, and know what it wants...
...then there is no way you can ever claim humility.
It is the epitome of pompacity.
It is the exact vacuum of humility.
There is no scope you can apply that minimizes the arrogance and egotistical stature of the claim.
Um the universe is a lot bigger than 13.5 lightyears wide
You are correct, of course. I juxtaposed approximated age with width.
I have a terrible habit of flipping the two.
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Ralph Ellis At least you didn't say the whole universe has only existed for about 6000 years ;) LOL
Ugh, for reals, right? Still off when I flip the two by a huge margin of error. Gotta watch that. I actually did so when I asked Matt the question. Embarrassing.
Ralph Ellis "shit happens"
sorry to sound rude.. i know Matt does not like it........but what the hell- these guys all look same to me.... the may be a very nice good , kind, honest men, yet they all look same.....not all of them, but vast majority...........am i imagining this?
Yes
HUGE DISAGREEMENT @1:25:25
Humans are the best long distance runners! :P
There are several other animals that will compete with humans in long distance. Researching the claim was interesting. I don't think the typical American gets to include themselves in this claim either. I bet Matt's ass couldn't do a 1/4 mile run.
Fully agree that the average American could NOT go a full day of constant running, but ultra-marathon runners aren't exactly non-american, and even the idea of how far and how fast that pace is can boggle anyone's mind!
I brought this fact up as it ties in well with this false notion that evolution isn't a thing. Our ancestors, who were moving away from quadrupedal walking to being bipeds managed to conserve calories and energy from less motion (walking instead of sauntering) and therefore able to spend less energy on hunting and gathering to spending more time reproducing. Yet when we look at the human skeleton we see all the remnants of an animal that once walked on all fours.
Regardless of all that, I've always wanted to disagree with Matt on something, sure I could kick his butt at a 1/4 mile run but I want to be able to reason as well he can.
My 14-week-old puppy could beat any human, in any foot-race, at any distance. And just be playing! She'd never even know she was racing!
I can't believe Mat was convinced by Bart Erhman that that Jesus did in fact exist .. based on the weak evidence Erhman brought to the table in his debate with Dr. Robert Price...I'm very disappointed.
Jesus not existing would completely destroy Christianity but it's likely something that's not going to ever be proven.he's always been willing to accept that Jesus was a historical figure or was based on multiple historical figures I don't really see it as that big of a deal.because even if there was a historical Jesus that doesn't confirm the existence of a God and it does not confirm the supernatural claims of Jesus in any way.
Mom, she is a Atheist, Father too, a Granny? Mom of Mom, Presbiterian or Baptist, Adventist, and you have a big problem at Home!!! You are an Atheist and Sister Catholic?!!!
I have very long time opinions War with my Sister and Brothers too! Because the Violence in the Bible!
My Sister, she doesn’t talking with me more, but my Brother and my Son too, are not much better! All
Conflicts in our Family products the Bible! This is a not simple case, Religion separate the people!
Yes sir Matt "derailed" you, (as you admitted) why? because you have no answer(s) and you know it. if, if, if?????? C'mon Man! Wake up!!!!!!....
2:29:00 That is just begging the question. Information is associated
with intelligence, but intelligence is associated with DNA that contains
information. You skipped the part that all known intelligence is human
intelligence, and humans are made by DNA. So, you can't use your
historical abductive method, because that method should you lead to the
conclusion that people made DNA who are made by DNA. You just assume
that there is some other intelligence that made DNA that makes people,
hence you already assume what you ought to prove. Your Apologetics
Academy is riddled with logical fallacies.
wow, religious people making logical fallacies. what a fucking surprise.
Erwin Müller nobody claimed that humans made DNA you knucklehead. They claim that intelligence is required for DNA. It's pretty obvious that the intelligence would mean God not humans. Therefore your circularity argument is bogus.
coachmarc2002 no, that's the thing you moron. It's not "obvious" that the intelligence in question is god. "Historical abductive" method relies on - gasp! - history, i.e. things that we know already happened. We know humans have happened, and they have intelligence. Therefore, if you are to claim that intelligence is required for creating the DNA, the prime (and really, _only_ ) candidate for this spot is humans, not god. God isn't anywhere to be found in history, and to assume him as the "obvious" answer *is* a fallacy.
Out of my misery that's one of the dumbest things that I've ever heard. How could Human intelligence be responsible for the information in DNA when we need DNA to exist? Really? You can't be that stupid.
coachmarc2002 you don't really grasp the concept of a "fallacy", do you?
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Imagine if it was a pixy with an exploding head! lol who needs science... :)
How is Salvador a part-time biologist at NIH? Grad student, huh? First year Grad Student maybe? But seriously, already went through Org-Chem. and does not understand how to science? Only one Universe we can see, therefor God...very well thought out.
The Christianity is Truth?!!!!
If baby's lived forever in baby form would you think something supernatural was going on????
Matt... WTF!
No...I would probably try to seek out an explanation that make's sense...
But wouldn't that negate the possibility of god???
No..............
I win!!!
That is probably the most well mannered black young man I've ever seen and heard
Racist
+LogosTheos Not even in the least
Can't have seen or heard many black guys then.
If only old white guys could be so well behaved . . . .
Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles. So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. They traded the truth about God for a lie.
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@@terryboot7777 JESUS LOVES YOU my friend! The truth will set YOU FREE! but only if you want...the choice is entirely up to YOU! thank you for the little funny face, so i could engage you in conversation! let's talk
oh hi, thank you for your comments and questions. To answer one of your questions very simply, what is the truth...well Jesus is the Truth. Everything about Jesus is the truth, all that Jesus said and did truth...Jesus is the complete embodyment of truth...walking living truth. Not one single bit of Jesus is anything but truth, right down to the core. I'd like to think that most of what i think is true but i know better, i know that there are things that i think that are not all true...what those things are, i am not sure of yet...but as i go along and look to God to know what is true, i learn along the way.
I did not just read the Bible and believe it for no reason...it is not a shallow belief in something because i read it in a book or because some people said it is true...because i'd say more people say the Bible is untrue more than the people who know it is true.
I know it is true because of miraculus events in my life and the most signifigent one was not long after i cried out to God and prayed to God to forgive me of my sin...telling God i was so very sorry for the all the bad things i had done and that i did not want to do any bad things ever again along side that was my faith in Jesus beleiving that Christ, Jesus had died for my sins and that i could be forgiven.
And low and behold maybe about a week or two after i prayed ernestly to God...the miraculous happened and it just so happened at my Grandmothers funneral...and i had no idea this was going to happen...not even the slightest idea...but Jesus came in the Spirit and baptised me in the Holy Spirit and in an instand i felt all my sins washed away, forgiven, cleansed and this weight of guilt that i was carrying lifted off of my shoulders that i had no idea that guilt could even have a weight but it does and it can...but this weight that i had no idea that i had on me...that i was carrying was instantly lifted and i felt a Holy Presence...and this Holy presence came into me...and witnessed to me, told me that it is the Holy Spirit that is in me...the Spirit of God, His Holy Spirit told me and i could feel Him and still can and still do and also i was filled with JOY AND PEACE AND LOVE and my whole body was tinggly inside and out and i felt so light that i felt like i was going to lift right off of the floor in front of everyone...i didn't mind you but i think i could have and someday i will when Jesus comes back. After this happened to me...when i was reading the Bible i found out what happened to me was in the Bible...that Gid gives people the Holy Spirit...i found out after i received it...and after that i was filled with love for everyone...a deep sense of love for every person. Many many things have happened since then and many miraculous events that can not just be explained away but chance. You may find this hard to believe when i tell you that i know that i know the truth! And how do i know, because God has revealed the truth to me with certainty and you too can know what is true...befor that i did not know if God even existed...nor could i know, nor can anyone because it is sin that seperates people from God and that makes them blind and in darkness because of sin and they can not figure it out in their mind. Because to know God it is through the heart by the Holy Spirit because God is Spirit ans truth and light and life, Holy and pure. You can come into a relationship with God through Christ...God wants to bring you out of darkness and death and into the light and life forever with Him as an adopted Child of God...A wonderful position to be in and it is all a free gift from God because God is love...nothing we can do to earn it or deserve it...God provides everything...Such a wonderful Father...God is so good to us...and we get to choose to embrace all the goodness of God or regect God for evil...you get to choose my friend and God will even help you choose and find the Way to Him and He is even calling you right now in Jesus name amen
@Psicólogo Miguel Cisneros well no, your experience will most likely not be exactly the same, but will have similarities. Well pretty much, if you truly are sorry, and you go to God and confess, and if you have the desire to live for God, with faith in Jesus. God will know if you are serious or not about this, your motives and such...if you are genuine about it, God will receive you. Simple child-like faith, it is not complicated, God knows and sees your heart.
@Psicólogo Miguel Cisneros oh okay, interesting; i was wondering what was going on with you and your specific line of questioning...now i know.
There are some things about your story, your dream that make me think that it was not Jesus. Like for one, you being scared, to death even and then when you asked a question, you did not get an answer strait away. Jesus would know "Who" you meant. Honestly, it sounds like a demonic action, trying to keep you away from a true encounter with Christ.
I think if it was Jesus, you would have had an overwhelming sense of peace and love, and felt a Holy presence, and you would not be scared;
but the last part, the beam of light and the feeling of "ascending up", now that sounds like JESUS, bringing YOU UP AND OUT of death, the pit and out of the presence of demons.
I feel like the Holy Spirit is bearing witness to me this; the beginning of your dream was demonic, but then Jesus came and brought you out!
This it think is really good news, it looks like YOU ARE GOING TO BE A CHILD OF GOD, if you are not already!
Just keep seeking after God, after Jesus and God will reveal to you the answer to the questions you are having and will confirm with you, if you are His! And if you are not yet born-again just keep pressing in towards God, until you are; with faith in Jesus. The Holy Spirit will guide you!
just this kids photo thats up so much on this...he looks shady,that con- artist look on his face...just a punk
Christianity is true. What isn't true is the existence of god/s.
What is a Truth in the Bible, „Demons“?!!!
Bats are birds apparently
Such a shame so many clever dudes waste so much time & so many brain cells on such a bunch of nonsense!
“Jesus” Story is not a real Story, this is a biggest problem in the Christisnity!!!
Indoctrination with a Christian Education at Home, is much worse than any fucking Virus! You can not
talking with Your Family, what can I say about people, outside of Family! Atheism is a most hates Ideo
logy in any Country, that’s is True! Good Book of Mr Darrel Ray, very good Book, much, much better,
than Dawkins Garbage!!! But, what I wanted say? Indoctrination is a very big Sociaty problem!