Topics discussed: @4:18 - The Extended Phenotype. @9:10 - How does/doesn't the Extended Phenotype apply to religion? @11:00 - Does Natural Selection still apply to Humans? @16:05 - The Richard Dawkins Foundation. @23:30 - Shit going down in Texas, still. @25:02 - ...and Brexit. @26:40 - On expertise. @30:00 - On trust and sourcing material. @33:42 - We fool ourselves, so easily. @37:37 - Debates! @40:45 - Matt's excellent counter to William Lane Craig's sophistry. @42:40 - Matt may have a potential point of disagreement with Richard. @46:13 - Audience Q&A @46:45 - On Maajid Nawaz and Ayaan Hirsi Ali being put on the Southern Poverty Law Center hate speech list. @53:02 - Memes, have "we" won? @55:10 - Poverty and atheism. @59:57 - Islamophobia @1:01:56 - Religious Artificial Intelligence (AI)? @1:05:09 - How do we counter illogical religious memes? @1:08:45 - Changing minds... @1:11:41 - ...and changing lives. 10 million illegal Arabic translations (pdf) of the God Delusion have been downloaded. 3 million in Saudi Arabia. That is a GOOD thing. @1:13:05 - Are religious people fucked because it's all "hardwired"? @1:19:12 - What is the best religious argument you've heard? @1:21:40 - On the religious ostracizing atheist friends... @1:28:12 - Universities and the future of free speech. Cheers!
Can I just add that this tête a tête took place at Sunday November 6, 2016 at 8PM in the Chan Shun Concert Hall. See chancentre.com/events/evening-richard-dawkins-matt-dillahunty/
StoryIsEverything Including Christianity which in the name of Jesus is the cause of the millions of murders. ( Somehow Christians forget this... their religion has as much if not more blood on their hands )
Religions are philosophical constructs on the matter of theism and/or spirituality with following beliefs, tenets and rules. (buddhism is a religion, but doesn't worship any gods) Ergo, religions are philosophical ideologies. Ideologies are collections of ideas within a defined topic. And therefore religions are fair game for criticism.
Please look up "Crashcourse Philosophy" Welcome to the world of philosophy. Everything is not philosophy, my cat, currently residing in an ash urn, for example is not. But everything is discussed within philosophy, including whether or not my cat is still a cat.
I think it's a deeper question than simply leaving behind religious ways of thinking. We evolved this ability to create agents in our minds precisely to survive. I mean, a rustle in the bushes could be the wind or a predator, we evolved to prefer the latter as it improves our chances of survival. When we became self aware it was only a malfunction of this circuitry that drove us to believe there were agents behind everything, including behind the wind, fire, animals and even other humans. We thought there was an agent acting on a body giving it life, a spirit and so on. To really evolve past this, we will have to become purely rational beings, and I don't think there really is an evolutionary benefit to this, so we would have to do it through engineering our own DNA. Even in the most secular nations in the world, there are still SOME people that find religion, so clearly we can not leave religion behind by simply trying very hard.
Never saw Matt so relaxed...must be very delightful to have a conversation with somebody who's intelligent... the freaks that he normally confronts😄😄😄😄
There is more than breaking free, more important is to have the right tools! The moral rules are important, you dont need godto set them up, you nèd a logic thinking or a good education! I guess the education is much better in northern countries than in gemany or america!
@@igotstoknow2 *_"So, you are now living to ensure your trashed eternity with other nonbelievers including child molesters, rapists, sex slavery supporters, home invaders, carjackers, violent gang/cartel members, etc.?"_* The fact you find more religious people than non-belivers in prison doesn't really add up with your logic. But nice try though :)
@@igotstoknow2 "Child molesters" LOL. More priests have molested children than there are atheists. You believe in something that ensures you can't possibly be wrong which naturally raises your ego to stupid heights. If God existed he would be ashamed of you.
@@Sanddollar1 So you want to try the "not a real Christian" and "not as religious as me" approach? Are you really more religious if you attend a church? And I guess it also has to be the "correct" church? And is "the West" values really based on Christian values? Do you have slaves? Do you let your women teach men? Do you kill persons having sex with the same gender? Would you slaughter an entire city because a voice in your head said so? The West has of course inherented something from Christianity, like the school system, but that does NOT mean we are Christian countries. The best countries to live in according to almost all statistics are NOT where the people are the most religious. USA is one of the most religious countries in the "West" and about 3 % of the population is in prison or on probation.
Alētheias - Those prison inmates may or may not have attended church regularly. You know who *DOES* frequent the halls of religion? Priests. Priests, and countless religious leaders and congregants whom have, are, and will continue to use the church as a staging grounds for the most depraved and horrific acts committed by humans. You are severely demented if you make excuses for a god that knows of the monstrous acts are occurring, watches every moment, has the ability to stop the act, but decides to stay out of it. The child grows up to hate anything related to religion, removing any possibility of believing in and worshipping a god who favors the acts of monsters within his own walls over protecting an innocent and helpless child. By your beliefs, the child will burn in hell and the priest will likely go to heaven. Sick and demented..
Aron Ra is a good friend of Matt's and has been on the show at least twice IIRC. Edit: sorry if you already know this and were saying you'd like more Aron Ra! I agree. More Aron Ra! But *also* Dawkins! :)
I can listen to Richard for hours. I feel so lucky to live in the time when I can witness this amazing human being teaching us so much valuable knowledge.
Richard Dawkins has affected my life in a way no other person has, I'm glad we still have him around, I hope that's the way it stays for such a long time. Much Love RD
If you were influenced by Richard Dawkins then you might enjoy reading about Joseph Campbell and watch his program series before he died The Power of Myth. Changed my life.
I echo your sentiments 7 years later. I didn't know who Dawkins was 12 months ago (I was a half-arsed theist at the time and always had been) and now as an atheist I acknowledge him as someone who has changed my life hugely. I hope he lives many more years
I can't help but get teary eyed knowing there are people out there so dedicated to do good through the means of reason and critical thinking. Coming from a religious family (mexican catholic) and being the only atheist member of it, I do struggle to have a connection with my family on the subjects of religion and humanism which is unfortunate. I wish I could have a solid conversation with my family members without hurting their feelings but I know that's just pie in the sky.
It will take a very long time before religion, superstition and the supernatural will be pulled out of central and South American cultures. I have noticed that the vast majority (if not all) of “possession” videos come from countries in those regions. It must be awful to suffer from a mental illness in those cultures because they will just claim you are possessed by the devil. I feel for you in your situation. Hopefully you can get them to at least think about why they believe what they believe. That is the first step in getting people to let go of it.
Same here. Spain. Catholic family, likely only atheist (sister might be but she hates me and we hardly talk on a day to day basis already). I wish I could talk about these things with my parents without my mother claiming I've been indoctrinated by the internet (ironic, considering I was literally raised in the church and had no saying in being baptized) or my father going full on agnostic about everything but somehow still calling himself a christian.
I’m in the same boat as you my fren. My parents are also Hispanic Catholics and I’m the only atheist in my entire family (big ass family too). I almost feel bad for them because I feel like they’re brainwashed in a way and wish I could get them to be more transparent and at least question why they believe what they believe but yeah I completely understand your situation.
Read Dawkins and solidified my atheism. Found Matt (the average Joe) online and was blown away by his arguments. So proud to see them up on stage together.
I remember when I took the god delusion to school a couple years ago, and it alone sparked many arguments in the whole classroom, and it turned lots of them into atheists. Such a good book.
This is a bit of a weakness of Dawkins. When people try to point out a nuance thats missing from his argument he gets pissed off and starts attacking all philosophers/philosophy in general as if the entire group is just an amorphous blob of haters. I personally think the more engaged parts of philosophy as a subject can be quite useful in this kind of thing. Dillahunty for example is best characterised as a man who payed REALLY CLOSE ATTENTION during epistemology 101. And its the reason hes one of the best around right now.
oh you poor conditioned internet trolls who spend more time discussing God than a Jesuit priest in seminary, time to open Pandora's box, your cognitive dissonance has reached an all time low. Feel free to stay stupid but move on. If you ever want to search for truth try it one day and set yourself free from your willful ignorance of reality as prophecfied by Christ before he created you. You're a conditioned fool who embraces absurdity every waking moment. No amount of study or intelligence you all claim to have matters. Nothing. Any education, home schooled or Harvard graduates, you're all blinded by Satans covers. You're scared to admit to his glorious creation that you live in every day. Every emotion, the good food you'll eat today and the beds you all sleep in, you mock that and spit in the glorified God who gave you this life. Shame on you. There's two things I know about this world, God made this world, and I'm not Him
What an honor for Matt. Matt has been *the top reasoning skeptic* IMO. His arguments are flawless, and you won't find yourself disagreeing with him often, if ever. He deserves to be mentioned alongside Harris and Dawkins for sure.
Agreed. Matt's very formidable. He may lack the... wordsmithing that Harris has (Dawkins lacks it too, though) but you're right - his arguments are very well thought out and, more often than not, flawless.
Good to see this is a place where debunked internet atheists gather: Enough material on this website to debunk all your internet atheist myths - www.bethinking.org/ "Atheism deserves better than the new atheists whose methodology consists in criticizing religion without understanding it, quoting texts without contexts, taking exceptions as the rule, confusing folk belief with reflective theology, abusing mocking, ridiculing, caricaturing and demonizing religious faith and holding it responsible for all the crimes against humanity." -Os Guinness, "The Global Public Square"
lionofthetribe1 "Debunked internet atheists?" I didn't know atheism could be "debunked." Nor did I know that there were "internet atheists." Are there "internet Christians" as well? And considering there are still debates entitled "Does god exist," I'd say the jury is still out on theistic claims. And sadly, atheists on the whole prove to have more knowledge of the bible than Christians do. So sad.
***** so what ! copy and pasting a comment that leads you to a website that debunks one atheist myth is not playing by the rules or something? You really mean what you said by your comment of "And sadly, atheists on the whole prove to have more knowledge of the bible than Christians do. So sad." How about you prove your claim big boy. How bout you truly try and impress us, instead of whinging and complaining with no substance in what you write and comment on ? How bout you read and critique a book such as Why Trust the Bible?: Answers to 10 Tough Questions by Amy Orr-Ewing (2008) I look forward to your thoughtful knowedgable comments
Richard Dawkins. 75 years old, went through a mild stroke and still has more intellect and class than 99% of us. This man is one of my heroes and will be sorely missed when he dies, but will live on forever in these videos..
The Truth Channel As long as the reactions are based on reality, there is no problem in having them. It’s actually the one thing that drives humanity, for better or for worse.
iWishMyNameWasBetter I couldn't agree more, Richard has an eloquent touch to his public speaking while Matt is a no-nonsense, to the point speaker. I love it
@@TheJwwinter actually Matt is the more intelligent person with a flawless rationale....but Dawkins is just a eloquent speaker...you must be a fucking idiot..
Have always loved Richard, but I have to say, I am so impressed with Matt. Having watched his shows recently and his presentation, he is simply amazing. So, Matt, thank you for making me proud to be a Texan again. One day the torch will pass, but with Matt, its obviously in great hands. Thank you both for a great show...
A brief, 5-step summary of my mental journey from attachment (indecisiveness) to indifference (decisiveness): Start: 1. I am suffering, because I'm not living up to god's expectations. He isn't happy with me. 2. I am suffering, because god is not living up to my own expectations. I am not happy with him. to 3. Perhaps god & I are passing the burden of our happiness onto each other, therefore none of us will ever be happy. 4. I don't really know what makes god happy, but I sure as heck know what makes me happy. End: 5. Therefore, it's only reasonable that the burden of my happiness should unequivocally rest with me. That's when the constant riddle solving came to an end, and so did my indecisions. Now I am more decisive and much happier, and I can only assume with a detached indifference that so is god!
coecovideo I don't think that's it. Check out the description box. They wrote all that without mentioning when the event was taped. They never mention that. It always gets on mu nerves.
"There are great people in almost any religion I can think of, and my point is they could be BETTER if they dumped the religious baggage; and there are bad people in every religion that I could name, and they would be WAY better if they dumped the religious baggage." I will be quoting this *many* times in the future
Stephen Catton ... If university isn't to first teach in the specific, and second provide a well-rounded education in the arts and sciences, then my worry is it will become reduced to a vocational level educational in the only the current most popular ideologies.
Stephen Catton Superb message considering the latest ban of him by a secular group over a freaking tweet. PC culture poisons everything. I hope the legends of hitchens, Harris, shermer, Alli, and Dawkins keeps it far away from secularism.
Love Richard Dawkins.....so grateful for having discovered him and for all the great presentations and discussions in which he has participated. One of the best uses of TH-cam!
Finally! I swear I've been waiting so long for these two to sit down and converse about these topics of discussion. Time to clean the house and put on some headphones for the next hour and a half. 🙂
I disagree. "Normal" is already too misused a term, almost invariably meaning "Whatever I am, that you're not". I do, however, agree, that it'd be nice for the term "atheist" to become unnecessary.
Dawkins is the definition of a narcissist and very arrogant towards people. He has no respect for people. He wears those socks because he knows that other people know that he is intelligent and can get away with it. He wears it for attention and likes to be unique because it's a status thing.
+ Kevin Ruback I thought he was doing port and starboard..then I checked, and port is red, starboard green. So as we look at him, I suppose it still hold true.
Love these guys, one of the best conversations recorded for the history. Who in the world could dislike this? If that's your case, please read more about science. Regards
Brag Warning! I was there and it was great! The video might not show that it was packed (theater's capacity is listed as 1200) full Vancouver atheists, that's what made it extra great!
You sound like a church group bragging about how many showed up to see a guest minister! I guess thats why the Supreme Court ruled atheism a religion in 1962! ;)
"Chrysanthus3 minutes ago Saying atheism is a religion it's like saying abstinence it's a sex position" It isnt alike because you are mistaken. Comparing the two is ridiculous. Your analogue is irrational. Atheism is a religion because its based on the assumption of faith that 'there is no God' Whether or not you participate in sex or not you are still a sexual being. It doesnt change the factors involved in sexuality. It doesnt mean SEX DOESNT EXIST. I love how atheists love to think they are SO rational BUT every time YOU open your mouths you sound like IDIOTS.
Listening to Richard’s anecdote about being represented by an empty chair at a debate, it occurred to me wouldn’t it be a good idea in debates or public conversations on this subject, if there were always an empty chair and an open invitation for God to attend and put his case in person? I fear that until we can keep religion out of the school room, there will always be someone turning up at the stage door for an autograph.
So good to listen to two itnelligent persons discussing together ... Thank you a lot for this video.
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I love both guys: smart, excellent speakers, cultivated. They belong to the "truth" era. We're in the "post-truth" era. Let's enjoy their conversation, but know that we're watching an historical anomaly
+Edward Black Please re-read the original comment.
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Post-truth is as culture in which debate is framed largely by appeals to emotion disconnected from observable reality, and by the repeated assertion of talking points to which factual rebuttals are ignored.
alley boulcrest It appears you copy-pasted that entire assertion, but can you provide any independently verified, falsifiable and peer-reviewed evidence for any of your claims? How have you determined that this being exists? If the bible is an accurate representation of its character, then Dawkins' analysis is spot on. Lastly, does the biblical god have perfect foresight? Did it know how reality would play out at the time of creation? If so, it created satan knowing it would rebel and fall, it would create hell to house satan and his compatriots, it would create man knowing man would fall, it knew it would send man to hell, it knew it would have to flood the world as a reset, which would fail, it knew it would have to sacrifice itself TO itself, which would fail for most people and it knew it would pass on the most important message ever in languages that would die out while giving us the ability to think critically yet base salvation on not using that ability at all. Odd plan. I won't even go into detail about its desire to play favorites with "chosen people" and allowing them to slaughter any infidels (it created those other tribes knowing they would end up slaughtered - and just for that express purpose?), the endorsements for slavery and murder and the idea of infinite torture for finite crimes. Yeah, super duper nice guy, that god appears to be. Also, believe or burn is hardly free will. Besides, he knows the future preemptively, right?
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By the way, from the bible alone, Satan is the lesser of 2 evils. He is only responsible for 10 deaths, including the sons of Job (killed with the explicit agreement of Jahveh). By contrast, God kills or orders the killing of between 2,500,000 to 25,000,000 people (estimations vary depending on the scholar). Including women and children (e.g Medianites).
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GOD, im glad i live in scandinavia and are atheist.
I respectfully partially disagree. Words (which are in darwins defenition a vehicle for memes) go through their own evolution, and in the end the dominating use is what defines something (because of utility, the whole thing science is based on). Darwins coined defenition of a meme is legitimate, but he does not have the authority of when the dominant culture is wrong. Also, is gif pronounced jif? Because the creator of the format said it is.
Great talk! Been a while since I have seen a new Dawkins talk. You look well Richard despite the stroke! I for one would like to take this opportunity to recommend Richard's book (which he has said is one of his best), "Climbing Mount Improbable". It is literally the book that changed my view on the natural world and opened my eyes to the power of natural selection.
Matt is so important on this subject because he is so familiar with the Bible. Christians love to ask atheists to quote chapter and verse out of thin air and Matt can.
But he was saved. He IS a "seasoned" reader of the bible. He has studied it in great depth, as a Christian and as an atheist. Look him up on Iron Chariots
Alex Chapman Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. Since he never had faith he did not ever have the Holy Spirit since he didn't he never belonged to God. Many pastors and leaders who are actually not saved. What Dillahunty did was just a form of religion. **Galatians 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. **Romans 8:9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.
Matt Black perhaps you can tell Matt and Richard how you were "saved", so they and all the audience can laugh at how ridiculous you sound. do you hop on atheist videos to save us, or to flirt with the idea that everything you believe is all a crock of shit?
@@XanthIllion Saudi Arabia is only a small portion of the Arab world. (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, kinda Chad, Libya, Sudan-both of em, Egypt, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Bahrain, Qatar, Emirates, Kuwait, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine, Comoros, +diaspora)
I like Matt Dillahunty, he is brilliant on the atheist experience. In debates he sometimes misses opportunities presented. When Richard Dawkins suggests that it s high time a scientist got the Nobel prize for literature, Dillahunty just moved on. He should have acknowledged that Richard Dawkins should be at the front of the line for science literature. I also don;t understand why he hasn't won a Nobel prize in science for the selfish gene or the extended phenotype.
I've been looking forward to this since Matt announced it months ago. It did not disappoint! I wish it could have gone on for hours. Great questions from the audience.
theowlsarefun I'm half way around the world, TH-cam is a savior alright. I would give up 10 years of my life to see them live. I'm sorry you couldn't. :(
Two intelligent, clear thinking, eloquent giants of reason and truth! - On a personal note: I'd be _more_ than honored to call these two human beings 'my friend'!!! . . . . . .
Richard Dawkins is one of a very few people on this earth that makes Matt dillahunty appear to have normal intelligence. That's not a slight on Matt because I'm a big fan of his show.
"This shit makes no sense". Great line, Matt! Religion never made sense to me. My grandma took me to church a couple of times when I was little and I remember being bored to death, thinking that all those grown-ups were playing some kind of a *pretend game*. They couldn't *possibly* believe all that nonsense. And I still believed in Santa back then (in Europe, Santa is just an old guy with presents, no flying reindeer or other magical stuff). Some of use are born completely immune to the BS we call "religion". It took me a while to grasp that grown-ups actually believed that crap. I'm still baffled by this fact.
We share similar memories of our childhood. I remember thinking when i was a teen that religion was declining. Feels like there's a resurgence. I can't seem to understand how people buy into it so blindly.
Remonds me of watching tv as a young child and hearing the description of "god" for the 1st time. My only thought was "I dont think thats real." Not sure if it happened but its a real memory.
since there are a lot of re uploads of old stuff (nothing wrong with spreading) but putting the date of the content in front of the video showing when it was from is a nice move thanks in advance :)
BTW thanks to you, professor Dawkins, my son is doing his post doc in Stanford right now. I am forever thankful to you, sir. I have seen the influence you have had on quite a few public figures. For the better. My respect for you is of the highest kind. All your books are on my shelf.
For all the years of my atheism, I have yearned for this day. My only question is why it didn't happen sooner? Perhaps later, I'll comment again with something smarter, pithier, that more deeply reflects my appreciation for this glorious occasion.
Good old Dickie. He survived 2016. He's not going to croak. Putting him together with Matt was a brilliant idea. Probably one of the best discussion partners he's ever had.
or will they they migght not evolve anymore but the portions we have recorded are enough for generations to come like when i listen to manly p hall to terrence mckenna and of course christopher hitchens
Not so great are they? If they cease to exist. So their whole purpose in life is to be fertiliser? Like all humans. Exactly what has Dawkins/Dillahunty done to contribute to the advancement of humanity? They aren't Telsa v2.0 are they? All Dawkins has done is to mock and ridicule religion. Not really advancing technology or humanity is it? While humans exists there will always be some form of religion.
Jack - have you read any of Dawkins scientific books? To say he has done nothing suggests that you are not aware of the many things he has accomplished.
Jack the reason Richard ridicules religion is that he recognizes that the sooner we get it out of the way the quicker we will advance science and resolve the pressing issues of the human condition, and these 'issues' are only technical in nature.
Veganath. One man or society can not stop religion, we are born religious believing in some form of god (yourself, a deity, money, theist, etc). Religion doesn't stop the advancement of technology, morals do Scientology would probably allow gene manipulation while Christians would be against it. Also if there is no religion in the future, what makes us human? If an highly intelligent AI that has a programmed consciousness and is migrate in a human body, then what differentiates us from them? Nothing. If you are religious it would be our spirit/soul and the thought of an afterlife/God. Also morals/ethics will be against humans in the future if there is no religion. Religion prevents us from the destruction of humanity from the secularist. Which is more ethical? For a baby consciousness to migrated to a machine or to leave it in its' biological body? The secularist would say machine because it has a better chance of survival. The Christians would say leave it in its' biological body. In the future there will be cast system the tanshumanists vs the biological humans. Secularism is about dividing and division. Kath and Gordon. I haven't read his books, I've listen to him in interviews, scientist panel, debates and other youtube videos and also read about him on wikipedia. How exactly are his books revolutionary? As I said he hasn't advanced technology or humanity as a whole. What he's done is made us less empathetic, more materialistic, more narcissistic, aggressive towards other world views that we don't agree/understand about. Logic beats speculation response is the perfect example of the demographic that listen to Dawkins. These people I avoid and so should you. He's an atheist but some of the things he says sound more nihilistic. I thought i'd get this backlash from the Dawkins supporters. You're the ones that are brain washed in his systematic so called biology/science. How do we know anything to be certain? I'm a sceptic to everything. Scientist are apart of the system of control. I'm in the Dawkins realm area and from past experiences, these conversations don't get anywhere. But please think about it, this is my final message. Bye.
I only wish I was privileged enough to watch and listen to the Professor live, and indeed Matt Dillahunty. Two great men, one fantastic discussion. Huge thanks for the upload.
+Anon Person ok, so an old man ex mormon ex atheist born again christian talks for 30min about insulting nature of the internet (one site actually) and realises that we can't love without being loved by god first. He said he wasn't looking for god, wasn't praying, he was just struck by knowledge of love from god. conclusion: God waited for 60 or so years to reveal the truth to this man. My question: why doesn't god do that in the early stages of life for EVERY human so we don't spend our lives in delusion? By experience of this man, it is obvious it can happen even if you are not looking for god, not praying to him. So why doesn't it? Answer: because there is no god. Not one. Never was. He was deluded by mormon faith for 10 years because of something he ate which made him feel burning sensation in his chest while praying. I hope that chilli part was a joke. I would thought he would have learned something from that. Obviously he didn't.
+Cleo Fierro Can you prove there are no unicorns? Do you believe in them? Now follow that for witches, leprechauns, werewolves, and any fictional character ever.
Cleo Fierro Your statement is so fractally flawed that it's garbage, but: 1. Atheism is the rejection of theistic claims, not the assertion of anti-theistic claims 2. Atheists have no need to prove anything to validify their position 3. Your logic towards your god can be applied to any other claim like unicorns, leprechauns and the FSM and you are in the position where you need to believe all those claims of existence since nobody can't prove them wrong. Do you believe them?
The very lack of evidence that any deity exists is enough for any reasonable person to conclude that it does not actually exist. Anyway my point was that link provided was a waste of time to watch.
I agree. Funnily enough I've seen on Matt's facebook that he disagrees with that final answer (to some extent at least) but there wasn't time for a meaningful response. It's a shame that question came last as it had the potential to open up the discussion of an area where they seemingly disagree.
The european union will fall. Then one can look if its worth rebuilding it. :/ If it gets rebuildt. Then maby we can learn from what made it shit this time around, and build around that, so at least its not the same thing breaking it the next time. Im all for making one earth insted of a bunch of nations. But If such a thing is to happen. I would like it to be done not just working. I would like it to be realy good. And it do not seem this time was it.
+Caim Pact Why do you think it will fail? You do realize that the earth is just a bunch of nations, even with the EU? What do you think the EU is? It's not a republic. It's also strange for me that people are always predict the failure or destruction of something for which they probably have no idea of how it works or why it's there.
+Phelan So, what exactly do you think is bad in the EU? That we can have free movement of goods and people, so that we can have one big market and can compete with China, Brazil and the US? That the EU is giving the same playing field for the members, so that we can have market transparency and free competition, instead of protectionism and exploitation?
44:00 when I heard Dawkins say that he USED to think he’d me convinced if... and then ended with “ I don’t know” was spectacular. I can only imagine what was going through Matt’s head cause while watching the show, I knew that’s what he started leaning to towards the end. Amazing how two great minds come to the same conclusions.
I absolutely get this woman at 1:21:50. I live in Mauritius. The only other atheists I know are my wife and my cousin. My facebook wall is flooded daily with religious memes but as soon as I post anything mildly secular I end up in an argument. Some "friends" stopped talking to me as well. This can extremely frustrating when you slowly feel cut off from your family and community just because you don't share their views. I've seen friends get into fist fights over soccer teams but they're still friends.
Hi I am from Australia and my ex-wife is Mauritian. She and her family rather religious. I have known other Mauritians and they all tend to be Christian. Must be hard from your position to express yourself with these people.
@@emperorsblade2786 lol yes 24/7! English is my third language and sometimes I say stupid ish. Like: can you load down that film? Instead of can you download
I have been a fan of Professor Richard Dawkins for decades, and read all of his books, and had seen most I could find of his documents and lectures on both evolutionary biology, and Atheism since I was much younger. I have since through youtube and other media have been been turned on to others in both of those fields. Matt is one of my favorites. He has no degree's in any kind of science, but yet he holds himself equally with others like Dr. Neil Degrasse Tyson, Dr. Lawrence Krauss, and others like that. To see this conversation with these two was very special for me to see. And I would have to think that Matt must of had to think to himself, would I have ever thought in my earlier years on the Atheist Experience on a podcast, would ever in his life being in a conversation with Richard Dawkins. And in truth, ... I am so glad that they did.
Watch Sam Harris & Brian Greene on stage FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER th-cam.com/video/5pbHsRz8A7w/w-d-xo.html
Topics discussed:
@4:18 - The Extended Phenotype.
@9:10 - How does/doesn't the Extended Phenotype apply to religion?
@11:00 - Does Natural Selection still apply to Humans?
@16:05 - The Richard Dawkins Foundation.
@23:30 - Shit going down in Texas, still.
@25:02 - ...and Brexit.
@26:40 - On expertise.
@30:00 - On trust and sourcing material.
@33:42 - We fool ourselves, so easily.
@37:37 - Debates!
@40:45 - Matt's excellent counter to William Lane Craig's sophistry.
@42:40 - Matt may have a potential point of disagreement with Richard.
@46:13 - Audience Q&A
@46:45 - On Maajid Nawaz and Ayaan Hirsi Ali being put on the Southern Poverty Law Center hate speech list.
@53:02 - Memes, have "we" won?
@55:10 - Poverty and atheism.
@59:57 - Islamophobia
@1:01:56 - Religious Artificial Intelligence (AI)?
@1:05:09 - How do we counter illogical religious memes?
@1:08:45 - Changing minds...
@1:11:41 - ...and changing lives. 10 million illegal Arabic translations (pdf) of the God Delusion have been downloaded. 3 million in Saudi Arabia. That is a GOOD thing.
@1:13:05 - Are religious people fucked because it's all "hardwired"?
@1:19:12 - What is the best religious argument you've heard?
@1:21:40 - On the religious ostracizing atheist friends...
@1:28:12 - Universities and the future of free speech.
Cheers!
Thank you very much
Thankyou so much. Really helpful.
I appreciate it.
Can I just add that this tête a tête took place at Sunday November 6, 2016 at 8PM in the Chan Shun Concert Hall. See chancentre.com/events/evening-richard-dawkins-matt-dillahunty/
you saves lives man
When we criticise Nazism nobody is accused of being naziophobic. Islam is no different. It's an ideology and we are free to criticise all ideologies.
StoryIsEverything or racist against Germans, for that matter.
StoryIsEverything
Including Christianity which in the name of Jesus is the cause of the millions of murders. ( Somehow Christians forget this... their religion has as much if not more blood on their hands )
It's a lot easier to disengage the brain and just lump all the various kinds of Islamic philosophies together.
Religions are philosophical constructs on the matter of theism and/or spirituality with following beliefs, tenets and rules.
(buddhism is a religion, but doesn't worship any gods)
Ergo, religions are philosophical ideologies.
Ideologies are collections of ideas within a defined topic.
And therefore religions are fair game for criticism.
Please look up "Crashcourse Philosophy"
Welcome to the world of philosophy. Everything is not philosophy, my cat, currently residing in an ash urn, for example is not. But everything is discussed within philosophy, including whether or not my cat is still a cat.
Leaving religion behind IS our next stage of evolution
It has been replaced with a general distrust in science
@saganist It has been already in secular countries, no? I mean we don't have theocratic rules over here lol.
@@viermidebutura yes. Flat Earthers are the best examples😥😥😥😥
@@yourlordandsaviouryeesusbe2998
It will take time but we won't survive to see that day.
I think it's a deeper question than simply leaving behind religious ways of thinking. We evolved this ability to create agents in our minds precisely to survive. I mean, a rustle in the bushes could be the wind or a predator, we evolved to prefer the latter as it improves our chances of survival. When we became self aware it was only a malfunction of this circuitry that drove us to believe there were agents behind everything, including behind the wind, fire, animals and even other humans. We thought there was an agent acting on a body giving it life, a spirit and so on. To really evolve past this, we will have to become purely rational beings, and I don't think there really is an evolutionary benefit to this, so we would have to do it through engineering our own DNA.
Even in the most secular nations in the world, there are still SOME people that find religion, so clearly we can not leave religion behind by simply trying very hard.
It's amazing that Matt went from a single call on the AE over a decade ago to now being on the same stage as Dawkins.
Never saw Matt so relaxed...must be very delightful to have a conversation with somebody who's intelligent... the freaks that he normally confronts😄😄😄😄
What is intelligence?
@@seerofall1129intelligence is not commenting a question on a 5 year old comment hoping for them to answer.
@@74Vidrine good one
Two of the half-dozen people who broke me free of the delusion. I thank you, my real saviors.
There is more than breaking free, more important is to have the right tools!
The moral rules are important, you dont need godto set them up, you nèd a logic thinking or a good education!
I guess the education is much better in northern countries than in gemany or america!
@@igotstoknow2
*_"So, you are now living to ensure your trashed eternity with other nonbelievers including child molesters, rapists, sex slavery supporters, home invaders, carjackers, violent gang/cartel members, etc.?"_*
The fact you find more religious people than non-belivers in prison doesn't really add up with your logic. But nice try though :)
@@igotstoknow2 "Child molesters" LOL. More priests have molested children than there are atheists. You believe in something that ensures you can't possibly be wrong which naturally raises your ego to stupid heights. If God existed he would be ashamed of you.
@@Sanddollar1 So you want to try the "not a real Christian" and "not as religious as me" approach?
Are you really more religious if you attend a church? And I guess it also has to be the "correct" church?
And is "the West" values really based on Christian values?
Do you have slaves? Do you let your women teach men? Do you kill persons having sex with the same gender? Would you slaughter an entire city because a voice in your head said so?
The West has of course inherented something from Christianity, like the school system, but that does NOT mean we are Christian countries. The best countries to live in according to almost all statistics are NOT where the people are the most religious. USA is one of the most religious countries in the "West" and about 3 % of the population is in prison or on probation.
Alētheias - Those prison inmates may or may not have attended church regularly. You know who *DOES* frequent the halls of religion? Priests. Priests, and countless religious leaders and congregants whom have, are, and will continue to use the church as a staging grounds for the most depraved and horrific acts committed by humans.
You are severely demented if you make excuses for a god that knows of the monstrous acts are occurring, watches every moment, has the ability to stop the act, but decides to stay out of it. The child grows up to hate anything related to religion, removing any possibility of believing in and worshipping a god who favors the acts of monsters within his own walls over protecting an innocent and helpless child. By your beliefs, the child will burn in hell and the priest will likely go to heaven.
Sick and demented..
Two utter legends! Would love to see Dawkins as a guest on The Atheist Experience.
Apparently Dawkins would like to, it's just that he's not in town lol.
They should have him call in! Darryl Ray did it last week.
Joseph I would rather see him talking with Aron ra.
Aron Ra is a good friend of Matt's and has been on the show at least twice IIRC. Edit: sorry if you already know this and were saying you'd like more Aron Ra! I agree. More Aron Ra! But *also* Dawkins! :)
*****
Majic sorcery sounds pretty awesome, I hope they sign me up!
I can listen to Richard for hours. I feel so lucky to live in the time when I can witness this amazing human being teaching us so much valuable knowledge.
Richard Dawkins has affected my life in a way no other person has, I'm glad we still have him around, I hope that's the way it stays for such a long time. Much Love RD
Child molesters define God down to justify their lifestyles. Why do you define God down?
If you were influenced by Richard Dawkins then you might enjoy reading about Joseph Campbell and watch his program series before he died The Power of Myth. Changed my life.
I echo your sentiments 7 years later. I didn't know who Dawkins was 12 months ago (I was a half-arsed theist at the time and always had been) and now as an atheist I acknowledge him as someone who has changed my life hugely. I hope he lives many more years
Richard is ageing to quickly for my liking. Hard to imagine the day when he joins Hitchens.
Aviram Vijh been thinking that as well ... I was quite horrified
Imagine a time without hitchens AND Dawkins
What a treat this video is ...
Brilliant
I assume you meant treat and not threat right? If so, yes.
He had a stroke too it has clearly aged him too
RhondaH obviously
Did so from my iPhone and autocorrect jumbed in without me checking
Thx
He probably has at least 10 years left assuming he doesn't have another stroke.
I can't help but get teary eyed knowing there are people out there so dedicated to do good through the means of reason and critical thinking. Coming from a religious family (mexican catholic) and being the only atheist member of it, I do struggle to have a connection with my family on the subjects of religion and humanism which is unfortunate. I wish I could have a solid conversation with my family members without hurting their feelings but I know that's just pie in the sky.
It will take a very long time before religion, superstition and the supernatural will be pulled out of central and South American cultures. I have noticed that the vast majority (if not all) of “possession” videos come from countries in those regions. It must be awful to suffer from a mental illness in those cultures because they will just claim you are possessed by the devil.
I feel for you in your situation. Hopefully you can get them to at least think about why they believe what they believe. That is the first step in getting people to let go of it.
Same here. Spain. Catholic family, likely only atheist (sister might be but she hates me and we hardly talk on a day to day basis already). I wish I could talk about these things with my parents without my mother claiming I've been indoctrinated by the internet (ironic, considering I was literally raised in the church and had no saying in being baptized) or my father going full on agnostic about everything but somehow still calling himself a christian.
I’m in the same boat as you my fren. My parents are also Hispanic Catholics and I’m the only atheist in my entire family (big ass family too). I almost feel bad for them because I feel like they’re brainwashed in a way and wish I could get them to be more transparent and at least question why they believe what they believe but yeah I completely understand your situation.
You mean through chit chat or discussion. Absolutely pathetic.
Read Dawkins and solidified my atheism. Found Matt (the average Joe) online and was blown away by his arguments. So proud to see them up on stage together.
So, you now define God down with child molesters to justify your lifestyle?
He isn't average Joe in terms of biblical knowledge . He is very well educated on the subject and attached culture .
@@igotstoknow2 What ?
I remember when I took the god delusion to school a couple years ago, and it alone sparked many arguments in the whole classroom, and it turned lots of them into atheists. Such a good book.
a miracle!! good job!
Nice work!
Nicolas Broszky I dont know about the sillyness, the only explanation in the book that I don't really like is the Boeing 747 one.
This is a bit of a weakness of Dawkins. When people try to point out a nuance thats missing from his argument he gets pissed off and starts attacking all philosophers/philosophy in general as if the entire group is just an amorphous blob of haters. I personally think the more engaged parts of philosophy as a subject can be quite useful in this kind of thing. Dillahunty for example is best characterised as a man who payed REALLY CLOSE ATTENTION during epistemology 101. And its the reason hes one of the best around right now.
oh you poor conditioned internet trolls who spend more time discussing God than a Jesuit priest in seminary, time to open Pandora's box, your cognitive dissonance has reached an all time low. Feel free to stay stupid but move on. If you ever want to search for truth try it one day and set yourself free from your willful ignorance of reality as prophecfied by Christ before he created you. You're a conditioned fool who embraces absurdity every waking moment. No amount of study or intelligence you all claim to have matters. Nothing. Any education, home schooled or Harvard graduates, you're all blinded by Satans covers.
You're scared to admit to his glorious creation that you live in every day. Every emotion, the good food you'll eat today and the beds you all sleep in, you mock that and spit in the glorified God who gave you this life. Shame on you. There's two things I know about this world, God made this world, and I'm not Him
What an honor for Matt. Matt has been *the top reasoning skeptic* IMO. His arguments are flawless, and you won't find yourself disagreeing with him often, if ever. He deserves to be mentioned alongside Harris and Dawkins for sure.
Hitch be dead my man
Agreed. Matt's very formidable. He may lack the... wordsmithing that Harris has (Dawkins lacks it too, though) but you're right - his arguments are very well thought out and, more often than not, flawless.
Good to see this is a place where debunked internet atheists gather:
Enough material on this website to debunk all your internet atheist myths - www.bethinking.org/
"Atheism deserves better than the new atheists whose methodology consists in criticizing religion without understanding it, quoting texts without contexts, taking exceptions as the rule, confusing folk belief with reflective theology, abusing mocking, ridiculing, caricaturing and demonizing religious faith and holding it responsible for all the crimes against humanity." -Os Guinness, "The Global Public Square"
lionofthetribe1 "Debunked internet atheists?"
I didn't know atheism could be "debunked." Nor did I know that there were "internet atheists." Are there "internet Christians" as well?
And considering there are still debates entitled "Does god exist," I'd say the jury is still out on theistic claims.
And sadly, atheists on the whole prove to have more knowledge of the bible than Christians do. So sad.
***** so what ! copy and pasting a comment that leads you to a website that debunks one atheist myth is not playing by the rules or something?
You really mean what you said by your comment of
"And sadly, atheists on the whole prove to have more knowledge of the bible than Christians do. So sad."
How about you prove your claim big boy.
How bout you truly try and impress us, instead of whinging and complaining with no substance in what you write and comment on ?
How bout you read and critique a book such as Why Trust the Bible?: Answers to 10 Tough Questions by Amy Orr-Ewing (2008)
I look forward to your thoughtful knowedgable comments
I'm so happy to see Matt get more recognition!
Always nice to see a new Dawkins video that actually *is* new and not just a falsely dated one in order to get viewers.
Great conversation.
he's a militant fool. He says your dad evolved a fish kid. Yeah, embrace his absurdity.
+Jesus Saves That's a new one.
thebored999 no shit, autism hit this kid like a fucking airplane hit the world trade center.
+Landon McInjames Holy fuck your comment is hilarious.
Does anyone agree to his claim your dad evolved from a fish ? Please explain
Richard Dawkins. 75 years old, went through a mild stroke and still has more intellect and class than 99% of us. This man is one of my heroes and will be sorely missed when he dies, but will live on forever in these videos..
Dillahunty suffered a stroke and has had a triple heart bypass surgery.
@@teresazbikowska7094weird flex but ok
"Apparently you've got to be either religious or a liar to get elected..."
Preferably both, knowing politicians.
I get emotional when I see the people I admire meeting each other.
aw.! :) isn't knowledge empowering
emotions are as valuable and fleeting as wet toilet paper caught in a wind.
slumberzzzz it's the holy spirit
slumberzzzz that's why the Avengers was successful
The Truth Channel As long as the reactions are based on reality, there is no problem in having them. It’s actually the one thing that drives humanity, for better or for worse.
Brilliant union of two very different, but forward thinking men
iWishMyNameWasBetter I couldn't agree more, Richard has an eloquent touch to his public speaking while Matt is a no-nonsense, to the point speaker. I love it
Richard is truly intelligent while Matt is an arrogant fuckhead.
@@TheJwwinter He's not. He just comes off as bold to you, probably.
@@TheJwwinter actually Matt is the more intelligent person with a flawless rationale....but Dawkins is just a eloquent speaker...you must be a fucking idiot..
@@TheJwwinter Matt is often too agressive and rude, he will order you to shut up, if he doesn't like what you're saying. Kinda like a bully.
Matt Dillahunty is great at these discussions. He should do one of these with Daniel Dennett next.
Scott Hunt I like this idea. I hope he’ll leave out the Kenyan prostitute quip and the bit about getting a twelve year old girl though. 😲🤔😬
Matt dillahunty is awesome! He's a fucking God!
Wow I have always hoped you both could talk, this is going to be amazing.
Have always loved Richard, but I have to say, I am so impressed with Matt. Having watched his shows recently and his presentation, he is simply amazing. So, Matt, thank you for making me proud to be a Texan again. One day the torch will pass, but with Matt, its obviously in great hands. Thank you both for a great show...
agreed!!!
Matt is a smart cookie!
A brief, 5-step summary of my mental journey from attachment (indecisiveness) to indifference (decisiveness):
Start: 1. I am suffering, because I'm not living up to god's expectations. He isn't happy with me.
2. I am suffering, because god is not living up to my own expectations. I am not happy with him.
to 3. Perhaps god & I are passing the burden of our happiness onto each other, therefore none of us will ever be happy.
4. I don't really know what makes god happy, but I sure as heck know what makes me happy.
End: 5. Therefore, it's only reasonable that the burden of my happiness should unequivocally rest with me.
That's when the constant riddle solving came to an end, and so did my indecisions. Now I am more decisive and much happier, and I can only assume with a detached indifference that so is god!
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FYI: This conversation took place on November the 6th, 2016 in Vancouver
Thx! I don't know why they never mention when the conversation was taped.
Dwight Dunker laziness?!
coecovideo I don't think that's it. Check out the description box. They wrote all that without mentioning when the event was taped. They never mention that. It always gets on mu nerves.
Dwight Dunker it's called copy and paste.
coecovideo Yes, but still. Then the original poster didn't mention it either.
As an old sailor, I have to mention that Richard's socks are on the wrong legs; green is starboard, while red is port!
Matt is ex-Navy, it probably bothered him too!
Giles Goldsbro not if he rows.
Good one! Back to the bow...
Giles Goldsbro no one cares
Giles Goldsbro that depends what part of the world you are in!! "Red right return" can put you on a reef in many parts of the world.
"There are great people in almost any religion I can think of, and my point is they could be BETTER if they dumped the religious baggage; and there are bad people in every religion that I could name, and they would be WAY better if they dumped the religious baggage."
I will be quoting this *many* times in the future
Professor Richard Dawkins "To hell with play doe and safe spaces.... Grow up" ..... legend
Stephen Catton ... If university isn't to first teach in the specific, and second provide a well-rounded education in the arts and sciences, then my worry is it will become reduced to a vocational level educational in the only the current most popular ideologies.
David Burroughs Absolutely agree with you
Stephen Catton Superb message considering the latest ban of him by a secular group over a freaking tweet.
PC culture poisons everything. I hope the legends of hitchens, Harris, shermer, Alli, and Dawkins keeps it far away from secularism.
Doesn't Matt Dillahunty lean towards Feminist & SJW Rhetoric, along with Aron Ra?
Dawkins supports and admires feminism too, he just says some pretty dumb stuff occasionally.
Good to see you back in the fight, Richard.
Love Richard Dawkins.....so grateful for having discovered him and for all the great presentations and discussions in which he has participated. One of the best uses of TH-cam!
Richard Dawkins' views are laughable to say the least
Finally! I swear I've been waiting so long for these two to sit down and converse about these topics of discussion. Time to clean the house and put on some headphones for the next hour and a half. 🙂
I think Atheist is an unnecessary word. I long for the day when it is replaced by NORMAL.
I disagree. "Normal" is already too misused a term, almost invariably meaning "Whatever I am, that you're not".
I do, however, agree, that it'd be nice for the term "atheist" to become unnecessary.
I prefer DEFAULT
Rod How or realists
indeed and theist + what ever the Religion is dominant in the country is the normal.
it being normal won't devalue the term. Just like being sane is normal but the term is still often used.
Love both Matt and Richard, Most powerful, knowledgeable Horsemen holding up the pillars to our logical freethinking, scientific side
I agree but also worry about putting people on pedestals .
I love Dawkins' rocking the 'one red sock, one green sock' look. Stylin'!
Dawkins is the definition of a narcissist and very arrogant towards people. He has no respect for people. He wears those socks because he knows that other people know that he is intelligent and can get away with it. He wears it for attention and likes to be unique because it's a status thing.
Jack - don't be hating just cuz Dawkins is beyond your intelligence.
Jack - Using that "logic" what should we think about the Pope and his stomping grounds, The Vatican?! Fucking idiot.
+ Kevin Ruback I thought he was doing port and starboard..then I checked, and port is red, starboard green. So as we look at him, I suppose it still hold true.
Ant Mallett ha ha... meet him in the middle on the poop deck!! ha, sorry, had to
I just love these two gentlemen. Having read, watched a good deal of their works, I feel a legitimate warmth toward them both.
Love these guys, one of the best conversations recorded for the history. Who in the world could dislike this? If that's your case, please read more about science. Regards
Brag Warning!
I was there and it was great! The video might not show that it was packed (theater's capacity is listed as 1200) full Vancouver atheists, that's what made it extra great!
I'm surprised a group of religious fundamentalists didn't bomb the theatre knowing there were so many non-believers packed in there.
You sound like a church group bragging about how many showed up to see a guest minister! I guess thats why the Supreme Court ruled atheism a religion in 1962! ;)
Saying atheism is a religion it's like saying abstinence it's a sex position.
Then tell that to the Supreme Court. It ruled atheism a religion in 1962.
"Chrysanthus3 minutes ago
Saying atheism is a religion it's like saying abstinence it's a sex position"
It isnt alike because you are mistaken. Comparing the two is ridiculous. Your analogue is irrational. Atheism
is a religion because its based on the assumption of faith that 'there is no God' Whether or not you
participate in sex or not you are still a sexual being. It doesnt change the factors involved in sexuality.
It doesnt mean SEX DOESNT EXIST. I love how atheists love to think they are SO rational BUT every
time YOU open your mouths you sound like IDIOTS.
great to see these two on the same stage. Enjoyed it immensely.
You can tell just how much Matt respects Dawkins in this conversation, great to watch.
Not anymore. In 2021 Dillahunty tweeted directly at Dawkins: "just fucking retire. You're an embarrassment"
Atheism and religion are but two sides of the same coin.
One prefers to use its head, while the other relies on tales.
dont you mean science and religion.????
Who said that?
No, you are wrong.
Shorey
Utter bollocks.
@Make Me Believe How many is "some"?
Listening to Richard’s anecdote about being represented by an empty chair at a debate, it occurred to me wouldn’t it be a good idea in debates or public conversations on this subject, if there were always an empty chair and an open invitation for God to attend and put his case in person? I fear that until we can keep religion out of the school room, there will always be someone turning up at the stage door for an autograph.
I love hearing Dawkins speak. It is a great comfort. A much needed link to sanity and sense.
Richard's socks. Hahaha, love it.
Christmas colors, at that!
hes gone insane
That's what I noticed too. Very colorful.
I thought he put them on unknowingly.
He's got them on the wrong sides. Red should go on his port foot, green on starboard...
What an absolute treat. Thanks, Matt and Richard.
So good to listen to two itnelligent persons discussing together ...
Thank you a lot for this video.
I love both guys: smart, excellent speakers, cultivated.
They belong to the "truth" era. We're in the "post-truth" era. Let's enjoy their conversation, but know that we're watching an historical anomaly
'What do you mean by "post-trust" era?
+Edward Black Please re-read the original comment.
Post-truth is as culture in which debate is framed largely by appeals to emotion disconnected from observable reality, and by the repeated assertion of talking points to which factual rebuttals are ignored.
alley boulcrest It appears you copy-pasted that entire assertion, but can you provide any independently verified, falsifiable and peer-reviewed evidence for any of your claims? How have you determined that this being exists? If the bible is an accurate representation of its character, then Dawkins' analysis is spot on. Lastly, does the biblical god have perfect foresight? Did it know how reality would play out at the time of creation? If so, it created satan knowing it would rebel and fall, it would create hell to house satan and his compatriots, it would create man knowing man would fall, it knew it would send man to hell, it knew it would have to flood the world as a reset, which would fail, it knew it would have to sacrifice itself TO itself, which would fail for most people and it knew it would pass on the most important message ever in languages that would die out while giving us the ability to think critically yet base salvation on not using that ability at all. Odd plan. I won't even go into detail about its desire to play favorites with "chosen people" and allowing them to slaughter any infidels (it created those other tribes knowing they would end up slaughtered - and just for that express purpose?), the endorsements for slavery and murder and the idea of infinite torture for finite crimes. Yeah, super duper nice guy, that god appears to be. Also, believe or burn is hardly free will. Besides, he knows the future preemptively, right?
By the way, from the bible alone, Satan is the lesser of 2 evils. He is only responsible for 10 deaths, including the sons of Job (killed with the explicit agreement of Jahveh). By contrast, God kills or orders the killing of between 2,500,000 to 25,000,000 people (estimations vary depending on the scholar). Including women and children (e.g Medianites).
GOD, im glad i live in scandinavia and are atheist.
Are there more than one of you?
Your pic is great!!!
Norse mythology is so dope though...
But can you are use grammar correctly?
pathstogodbyfaithcom wow you’re a moron. Any evidence for someone being euthanised against their will? Aka murder?
I spent the whole video trying to focus on the subject and not on the red and green socks of Dawkins :')
truly in the spirit of christmas
FINALLY!
Been waiting ages to see these two people share a stage.
Dawkins has the absolute authority on what a 'meme' is as he coined the term.
I respectfully partially disagree. Words (which are in darwins defenition a vehicle for memes) go through their own evolution, and in the end the dominating use is what defines something (because of utility, the whole thing science is based on).
Darwins coined defenition of a meme is legitimate, but he does not have the authority of when the dominant culture is wrong.
Also, is gif pronounced jif? Because the creator of the format said it is.
@@thaDjMauz I have always said “Jif” and I always will - not because it’s right but because I’m 75% Irish.
Great talk! Been a while since I have seen a new Dawkins talk. You look well Richard despite the stroke! I for one would like to take this opportunity to recommend Richard's book (which he has said is one of his best), "Climbing Mount Improbable". It is literally the book that changed my view on the natural world and opened my eyes to the power of natural selection.
2 great minds in conversation. How wonderful!
Matt is so important on this subject because he is so familiar with the Bible. Christians love to ask atheists to quote chapter and verse out of thin air and Matt can.
robsa walker Although Matt can he is not a seasoned reader of the bible. Reading the bible does not mean someone is saved and personally knows Jesus.
But he was saved. He IS a "seasoned" reader of the bible. He has studied it in great depth, as a Christian and as an atheist. Look him up on Iron Chariots
Alex Chapman Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. Since he never had faith he did not ever have the Holy Spirit since he didn't he never belonged to God. Many pastors and leaders who are actually not saved. What Dillahunty did was just a form of religion.
**Galatians 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
**Romans 8:9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.
+TwoHandedSledge Well it's a bit late for that. How were you saved and what is salvation?
Matt Black perhaps you can tell Matt and Richard how you were "saved", so they and all the audience can laugh at how ridiculous you sound. do you hop on atheist videos to save us, or to flirt with the idea that everything you believe is all a crock of shit?
Encouraging comment that 10 million downloads of The God Delusion translated into Arabic.
Also heartening: check the population stats for Saudi Arabia.
3M downloads is just shy of 1 in 10 people.
@Make Me Believe I'm sure it's BECAUSE of religious policing, people are getting sick of their shit.
@Make Me Believe naw it is a upp in social media especially in Twitter
@@XanthIllion Saudi Arabia is only a small portion of the Arab world. (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, kinda Chad, Libya, Sudan-both of em, Egypt, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Bahrain, Qatar, Emirates, Kuwait, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine, Comoros, +diaspora)
holy spagetti,...Matt AND Dawkins ?? I have died and went to,..well ,..in the ground!😉
So much to look forward to in the ground huh?
Ahahha
Lol!
👏😅
How poignant.
I like Matt Dillahunty, he is brilliant on the atheist experience. In debates he sometimes misses opportunities presented. When Richard Dawkins suggests that it s high time a scientist got the Nobel prize for literature, Dillahunty just moved on. He should have acknowledged that Richard Dawkins should be at the front of the line for science literature. I also don;t understand why he hasn't won a Nobel prize in science for the selfish gene or the extended phenotype.
I agree he's a better writer than scientist
This was so uplifting - thank you so much. I just love listening to both of these people.
I've been looking forward to this since Matt announced it months ago. It did not disappoint! I wish it could have gone on for hours. Great questions from the audience.
I paid $200 for orchestra seats and then got the date wrong and missed it :( Glad I get to see it on TH-cam, at least!
theowlsarefun I'm half way around the world, TH-cam is a savior alright. I would give up 10 years of my life to see them live. I'm sorry you couldn't. :(
This is a presidential ticket I would have voted for.
Only one is eligible…
Two intelligent, clear thinking, eloquent giants of reason and truth! - On a personal note: I'd be _more_ than honored to call these two human beings 'my friend'!!! . . . . . .
Richard Dawkins is one of a very few people on this earth that makes Matt dillahunty appear to have normal intelligence.
That's not a slight on Matt because I'm a big fan of his show.
"This shit makes no sense". Great line, Matt!
Religion never made sense to me. My grandma took me to church a couple of times when I was little and I remember being bored to death, thinking that all those grown-ups were playing some kind of a *pretend game*.
They couldn't *possibly* believe all that nonsense.
And I still believed in Santa back then (in Europe, Santa is just an old guy with presents, no flying reindeer or other magical stuff).
Some of use are born completely immune to the BS we call "religion".
It took me a while to grasp that grown-ups actually believed that crap.
I'm still baffled by this fact.
We share similar memories of our childhood. I remember thinking when i was a teen that religion was declining. Feels like there's a resurgence. I can't seem to understand how people buy into it so blindly.
Remonds me of watching tv as a young child and hearing the description of "god" for the 1st time. My only thought was "I dont think thats real." Not sure if it happened but its a real memory.
All we needed was the great Christopher Hitchens.
He would say otherwise. These guys are legends in their own right.
since there are a lot of re uploads of old stuff (nothing wrong with spreading) but putting the date of the content in front of the video showing when it was from is a nice move thanks in advance :)
Wish I had known this was being put on...could have attended in person!
BTW thanks to you, professor Dawkins, my son is doing his post doc in Stanford right now.
I am forever thankful to you, sir.
I have seen the influence you have had on quite a few public figures. For the better.
My respect for you is of the highest kind.
All your books are on my shelf.
Looking fwd to this for awhile now.
Great to see Richard doing public stuff again.
Dawkins is serving me mad (book) dumbledore vibes with the wacky socks and the lyrical introduction lmao
For all the years of my atheism, I have yearned for this day. My only question is why it didn't happen sooner? Perhaps later, I'll comment again with something smarter, pithier, that more deeply reflects my appreciation for this glorious occasion.
You haven't commented back here yet. O.o
We are waiting
still waiting.... did you turn religious? 😅
Wow... Just Wow.... :D Two of my fav Atheists...
weesue People. They're people.
Good old Dickie. He survived 2016. He's not going to croak.
Putting him together with Matt was a brilliant idea. Probably one of the best
discussion partners he's ever had.
Dawkins looks healthy. That'a s relief.
Course he does. He scared as hell to die.
If God is in a fight with the Devil, why do we have to be part of that. Doesn't God says to love our enemies, why does God not love the devil?
why does God make us with brains that are encrypted with the understanding and knowledge of Him? This is why I am an agnostic.
That's one of the dumbest most delusional things I've ever heard. Bravo!
I'm not sure... your comment seems fine. Not sure what I was on about... hmm. Maybe I replied to the wrong post LOL sorry m8!
the introduction gave me goosebumps.
Wonderful discussion. Even the Q&A was really enjoyable.
90 minutes well spent. Thank you.
it makes me sad when i think that these two great minds will cease to exist, perhaps very soon..
or will they they migght not evolve anymore but the portions we have recorded are enough for generations to come like when i listen to manly p hall to terrence mckenna and of course christopher hitchens
Not so great are they? If they cease to exist. So their whole purpose in life is to be fertiliser? Like all humans. Exactly what has Dawkins/Dillahunty done to contribute to the advancement of humanity? They aren't Telsa v2.0 are they? All Dawkins has done is to mock and ridicule religion. Not really advancing technology or humanity is it? While humans exists there will always be some form of religion.
Jack - have you read any of Dawkins scientific books? To say he has done nothing suggests that you are not aware of the many things he has accomplished.
Jack the reason Richard ridicules religion is that he recognizes that the sooner we get it out of the way the quicker we will advance science and resolve the pressing issues of the human condition, and these 'issues' are only technical in nature.
Veganath. One man or society can not stop religion, we are born religious believing in some form of god (yourself, a deity, money, theist, etc). Religion doesn't stop the advancement of technology, morals do Scientology would probably allow gene manipulation while Christians would be against it. Also if there is no religion in the future, what makes us human? If an highly intelligent AI that has a programmed consciousness and is migrate in a human body, then what differentiates us from them? Nothing. If you are religious it would be our spirit/soul and the thought of an afterlife/God. Also morals/ethics will be against humans in the future if there is no religion. Religion prevents us from the destruction of humanity from the secularist. Which is more ethical? For a baby consciousness to migrated to a machine or to leave it in its' biological body? The secularist would say machine because it has a better chance of survival. The Christians would say leave it in its' biological body. In the future there will be cast system the tanshumanists vs the biological humans. Secularism is about dividing and division.
Kath and Gordon.
I haven't read his books, I've listen to him in interviews, scientist panel, debates and other youtube videos and also read about him on wikipedia. How exactly are his books revolutionary? As I said he hasn't advanced technology or humanity as a whole. What he's done is made us less empathetic, more materialistic, more narcissistic, aggressive towards other world views that we don't agree/understand about. Logic beats speculation response is the perfect example of the demographic that listen to Dawkins. These people I avoid and so should you. He's an atheist but some of the things he says sound more nihilistic. I thought i'd get this backlash from the Dawkins supporters. You're the ones that are brain washed in his systematic so called biology/science. How do we know anything to be certain? I'm a sceptic to everything. Scientist are apart of the system of control.
I'm in the Dawkins realm area and from past experiences, these conversations don't get anywhere. But please think about it, this is my final message. Bye.
I only wish I was privileged enough to watch and listen to the Professor live, and indeed Matt Dillahunty. Two great men, one fantastic discussion.
Huge thanks for the upload.
45:49 that logic, and making Richard smile, love it
+Anon Person
ok, so an old man ex mormon ex atheist born again christian talks for 30min about insulting nature of the internet (one site actually) and realises that we can't love without being loved by god first. He said he wasn't looking for god, wasn't praying, he was just struck by knowledge of love from god.
conclusion: God waited for 60 or so years to reveal the truth to this man.
My question: why doesn't god do that in the early stages of life for EVERY human so we don't spend our lives in delusion?
By experience of this man, it is obvious it can happen even if you are not looking for god, not praying to him. So why doesn't it?
Answer: because there is no god. Not one. Never was.
He was deluded by mormon faith for 10 years because of something he ate which made him feel burning sensation in his chest while praying. I hope that chilli part was a joke.
I would thought he would have learned something from that. Obviously he didn't.
There's a difference between "there is no god" and "I don't believe a god existst". Understand that and reflect on how wrong your comment is...
+Cleo Fierro Can you prove there are no unicorns? Do you believe in them? Now follow that for witches, leprechauns, werewolves, and any fictional character ever.
Cleo Fierro Your statement is so fractally flawed that it's garbage, but:
1. Atheism is the rejection of theistic claims, not the assertion of anti-theistic claims
2. Atheists have no need to prove anything to validify their position
3. Your logic towards your god can be applied to any other claim like unicorns, leprechauns and the FSM and you are in the position where you need to believe all those claims of existence since nobody can't prove them wrong. Do you believe them?
The very lack of evidence that any deity exists is enough for any reasonable person to conclude that it does not actually exist.
Anyway my point was that link provided was a waste of time to watch.
GREAT video! Richard ended it PERFECTLY!
I agree. Funnily enough I've seen on Matt's facebook that he disagrees with that final answer (to some extent at least) but there wasn't time for a meaningful response. It's a shame that question came last as it had the potential to open up the discussion of an area where they seemingly disagree.
I really enjoyed this conversation. Both participants, brilliant.
Both Richard and Matt are amazing individuals. Love listening to both of them.
I love eyeing them as well
I've been listening to these two for years now. Is this their first collaboration? If so that's really surprising.
I like to hear both of these people speak.
I guess I will find this quite a worthwhile watch.
Thanks for the upload.
A delight. It was over so quickly. I could watch them for days. They should get Lawrence Krauss on board and go on tour.
It's happening in March in Toronto. Matt Dillahunty and L. Krauss
I am a big fan of Dawkins, but the premature laughters and applause by the audience make me cringe.
Mikael Falk Aw, damn. The one thing that could ruin this...
Well facebook and the net, does harbor the dumb and easily pleased.
Dillahunty and Dawkins. You can see in Matts eyes that he is so proud. Great job the last years Matt. It paid off!!
Interesting to hear Dawkins' views on Brexit and I have to say that I concur with his position.
p.s. I am in the UK
The european union will fall. Then one can look if its worth rebuilding it. :/ If it gets rebuildt. Then maby we can learn from what made it shit this time around, and build around that, so at least its not the same thing breaking it the next time.
Im all for making one earth insted of a bunch of nations. But If such a thing is to happen. I would like it to be done not just working. I would like it to be realy good. And it do not seem this time was it.
+Caim Pact
Why do you think it will fail? You do realize that the earth is just a bunch of nations, even with the EU? What do you think the EU is? It's not a republic.
It's also strange for me that people are always predict the failure or destruction of something for which they probably have no idea of how it works or why it's there.
+Phelan
So, what exactly do you think is bad in the EU? That we can have free movement of goods and people, so that we can have one big market and can compete with China, Brazil and the US? That the EU is giving the same playing field for the members, so that we can have market transparency and free competition, instead of protectionism and exploitation?
Ja, "bloddy brexit"..... I wish it wasn't happening.
Phelan
So, you went from "much of the EU is bad" to "the EU is good and it's actually 'working',". WTF?
Absolutely Brilliant.
44:00 when I heard Dawkins say that he USED to think he’d me convinced if... and then ended with “ I don’t know” was spectacular. I can only imagine what was going through Matt’s head cause while watching the show, I knew that’s what he started leaning to towards the end. Amazing how two great minds come to the same conclusions.
I cannot give this video enough thumbs up!
Can't take my eyes off Richard's socks...
Exactly as he intended.
Love it!
Dawkins is an amazing listener. He stayed focused and interested however long Matt talked.
I absolutely get this woman at 1:21:50. I live in Mauritius. The only other atheists I know are my wife and my cousin. My facebook wall is flooded daily with religious memes but as soon as I post anything mildly secular I end up in an argument. Some "friends" stopped talking to me as well. This can extremely frustrating when you slowly feel cut off from your family and community just because you don't share their views. I've seen friends get into fist fights over soccer teams but they're still friends.
Casual Gamer keep fighting the fight.
Hi I am from Australia and my ex-wife is Mauritian. She and her family rather religious. I have known other Mauritians and they all tend to be Christian. Must be hard from your position to express yourself with these people.
I love Dawkins so much. Could listen to him for days 💞💕
how about 24/7?
@@emperorsblade2786 lol yes 24/7! English is my third language and sometimes I say stupid ish. Like: can you load down that film?
Instead of can you download
I love how much Richard enjoyed Matt's opinions
'' This shit makes no sense''. great.. I came to exactly the same conclusion when I was 12.
hell yeah, perfect ending to that question - "grow up, in other words"
I have been a fan of Professor Richard Dawkins for decades, and read all of his books, and had seen most I could find of his documents and lectures on both evolutionary biology, and Atheism since I was much younger. I have since through youtube and other media have been been turned on to others in both of those fields. Matt is one of my favorites. He has no degree's in any kind of science, but yet he holds himself equally with others like Dr. Neil Degrasse Tyson, Dr. Lawrence Krauss, and others like that. To see this conversation with these two was very special for me to see. And I would have to think that Matt must of had to think to himself, would I have ever thought in my earlier years on the Atheist Experience on a podcast, would ever in his life being in a conversation with Richard Dawkins. And in truth, ... I am so glad that they did.