Most of those cars actually had more power. There was a gentleman’s agreement in Japan to limit power to 276, but in reality those cars put out a bit more and were simply advertised as having 276HP to prevent raised eyebrows from the public.
@@marcellon2003Well maybe not! Further down in the comments, people noted that he mentioned "Top Gear" at a point during the video. I know he was on both programmes, and the Five logo is there...
I’m just thinking about the whole police controversy thing...why didn’t they buy these cars for the police force instead?? It would make a great police car, it’s four door and there’s a lot of space inside for suspects...
It's kinda stupid they ban cars because it's powerful, and if they can't buy the cars, they should take notes that tuning is possible, and still keeping the outside relatively stock.
I remember a low mileage minter going for 15k at Buxton car auctions around 2004 my Dad was amazed it fetched so much as that was twice the price of a decent e34 M5 back then.
Thanks for the upload! In Australia, GM's local branch, Holden, took this platform, lengthened and widened it, and used it as a VN Commodore. Holden's hotrod offshoot, HSV (owned by Tom Walkingshaw) made a Group A version with an injected 5litre V8. Contemporary road tests showed that the Vauxhall was the quickest, tho the mighty injected cast iron ohv wasn't disgraced. Those were the days 😁👍
i used to own a 1990 black carlton 2.0i cdx, it looked just like the lotus with all the body kit and spoiler but didnt perform like one. it could only do 130, not bad for an automatic though. and it pulled my one ton caravan like it wasnt even there. sadly some stupid plonker in a vecta read ended it, bent the towbar and smashed the back end in and it was the never the same again. :-(, so i got an omega instead, but i miss my old carlton.....
who cares about the guy driving it or the fact that he switched the names. that car is gorgeous and thats why you all came to watch it! i mean damn that car is awesome
Its is top gear tiff used to work for them in the past . I had a 3000 gsi 24v about the same time as this video it did 0-60 in 6 sec and i got 170 out of it going up hill on a motorway . Fast fast car . Had a go in a lotus Carlton but couldn't get insured at the time nor a astra gsi ? Although is was far slower lol .
Those who say its Fifth Gear... are young lots who's fond of the Current TG format (arent we all?)... but heck... it IS Top Gear... back when it was old and boring.. Clarkson is the only one worth watching back then...
I had one of these cartons once all for about 8 hours. The next morning, you'd never would have believed I no longer owned it. What a beautiful, short-lived dream that was. Then it made me think ot getting old. And I realised if it still had my witts of mind I'd look back at life one last time and say what a beautiful dream this is
I thought Lotus decided to not use an LSD so that it would be more delicate and adjustable, instead of pushing in corners. The inside wheel always spins with power-slip in the turn.
In gt5, I got one. Even stock, when I turned off traction control, it just wanted to drift. I tuned it to 701 hp, a good suspension tune, proper tires, and it's a controllable drifter.
TheJooomes the ae86 is a slow, cheaply made, bad handling shitbox from the 80s. Isn’t the entire point of initial d that he wins races in spite of his car, not because of it? Stop circlejerking around a toyota corolla.
@@Eeter26 I have to agree with you. The AE86 is a bit overrated as its standard horsepower is only around 112 and people only like it because of Initial D
Well if you want luxury AND performance then yes, the little Toyota is a goner. But I've had one of those "shitboxes" for over a decade now, and have driven various German performance sedans over the years. The German stuff simply cant do low-mid speed corners, not like a Toyota anyway, if I turn in the same way I do with the Corolla they just understeer. Literally the speed with which the Corolla enters a corner catches even me (the owner & driver) by surprise sometimes. My dad drove the Corolla once and turned into an intersection, and nearly did a 180 on the spot. And look at prices, some guys below says Carlton's are in the 120k area now, you get 10 Corolla's in good nick for that price. Then there's insurance, from what I heard of U.K insurance rates: Lotus Carlton = Sell your house to pay the insurance for a year. A Toyota Corolla? Insurance companies don't think twice about them, you can probably insure DOZENS of them before you even get near. And while yes, insurance companies are a bit daft considering probably a greater ratio of Corolla's have gone into the ditch than Carlton's, but still, they charge what they charge. As far as burglary, I'd imagine Carlton's and 86's to be about equally desireable (the 86 probably more so because of the cartoon), but when someone steals your Carlton, you're out 120k, if your 86 disappears overnight, you've got another 108k to spend LOL
Ill agree with you on that one because the AE86 is a very good car to throw about in the corners because of it's decent handling and it's 50/50 weight distrubution but the down side of the car is that it only has around 112-118hp so not so much on the straights. The AE86 has a 4AGE and if you put enough work into it you will be quite quick on the straights (if you arent already) but overall the AE86 is a good car and is loved by many such as (alot) of the Irish, Initial D fans and the Drift King himself Keiichi Tsuchiya.
Yes. This version on the video is Vauxhall Lotus Carlton, the british version of Opel Lotus Omega. Vauxhall version had steering wheel on the right, but the Opel's had them on the left. Other than that they're identical cars.
In the day, this was an unheard of unimportant car, that did not sell and were simply not talked about. The legend and leader of the pack by far, wore a Blue oval...
Aye looks like 5th gear to me lad lol Loved both of these shows, Topgear was a bit more cool but 5th gear still got watched! My gen evolved from watching Robot Wars, to sitting having a wee bev with the folks watching a Friday night movie or Red Dwarf lol World's fucked these days fellow 1988-1996 sorta gen we had it so good 🤘🤫💚
This is Europe: Everything fun is banned!
Oi! havin a bit o' horse play 're we. Bit illegal innit bruv
This is world: Every fun is banned
magnum fire no it isn't, calm down
my dad has a carlton
Only if you’re not upper class
377 bhp, wow. The cars I worshiped in the 90’s officially only made 276 hp
If you're thinking of the lan evo, than be glad that the evo weighs half as much with awd👍
Most of those cars actually had more power. There was a gentleman’s agreement in Japan to limit power to 276, but in reality those cars put out a bit more and were simply advertised as having 276HP to prevent raised eyebrows from the public.
@@downsouth420yeah we know but they were nowhere near 376bhp from factory
✌️“276 hp”✌️
@@downsouth420 mate got one dyno'd, 352 at the flywheel. I have heard most of them (Supra, Skyline) were 325-360bhp
Tiffs ability to present while having that car in thr edge is a true testament of his skill 👌🏼👌🏼
The cheapest one I can find is 35 grand lol maybe one day
120k nowadays=)))
@@sebiblasko8608 sob, and I was thinking of importing one to my Island ...we have rhd also
Bet you wish you bought one when you made this comment
@@rcart1 😁
£100 odd grand now !🤯
Yes, it is Top Gear. In the 90's Tiff Needell was a Top Gear presenter, alongside Jeremy Clarkson.
As was James may at one point
But this has the Channel 5 Logo/watermark, so this is almost certainly the Channel 5 response, "Fifth Gear".
@@Danyella72 well spotted! I stand corrected.
@@marcellon2003Well maybe not! Further down in the comments, people noted that he mentioned "Top Gear" at a point during the video. I know he was on both programmes, and the Five logo is there...
1:52
I’m just thinking about the whole police controversy thing...why didn’t they buy these cars for the police force instead?? It would make a great police car, it’s four door and there’s a lot of space inside for suspects...
[[[ *_Dragonier_* ]]] because it cost about 91k usd at the time...
Jason H Considering the police force now a-days have funds for BMW M5 interceptors..?
[[[ *_Dragonier_* ]]] that’s true 🤷♂️
It's kinda stupid they ban cars because it's powerful, and if they can't buy the cars, they should take notes that tuning is possible, and still keeping the outside relatively stock.
Ainsworth Agreed. Though in reality I think they’re just salty tbh...lol
£25k for a mint Lotus Carlton? Those were the days...
I remember a low mileage minter going for 15k at Buxton car auctions around 2004 my Dad was amazed it fetched so much as that was twice the price of a decent e34 M5 back then.
@@jacklee7104And the Bmr M5 some bit of kit too back then loaded to the gills with technology and extras that.
fucking sold mine for £35,000 about 12 years ago only to check it's worth £100,000+ these days !
now theyre 100 odd grand!!!
This car, in working condition, is worth a shed load of money in the UK. Rare as Chickens teeth. A regular saloon that can push 165-170 is mental !!!
About 60k in Netherlands
Redline in 5th then into 6th and a lotus carlton will pass 190
Finally legal to import now!(:
Thanks for the upload!
In Australia, GM's local branch, Holden, took this platform, lengthened and widened it, and used it as a VN Commodore.
Holden's hotrod offshoot, HSV (owned by Tom Walkingshaw) made a Group A version with an injected 5litre V8.
Contemporary road tests showed that the Vauxhall was the quickest, tho the mighty injected cast iron ohv wasn't disgraced.
Those were the days 😁👍
love how tiff has this pure sideways
Te way he moves his head with every syllable.
”...in the world”
i used to own a 1990 black carlton 2.0i cdx, it looked just like the lotus with all the body kit and spoiler but didnt perform like one. it could only do 130, not bad for an automatic though. and it pulled my one ton caravan like it wasnt even there. sadly some stupid plonker in a vecta read ended it, bent the towbar and smashed the back end in and it was the never the same again. :-(, so i got an omega instead, but i miss my old carlton.....
Tiff is one of the few Top Gear presenters who could REALLY drive, I think?
Also, was this basically a Holden Commodore rebadged and reworked?
Now we know where Jezza got his ”...in the world” from. @0:42
Jasper Carrott ! As funny as a mass grave !
this was the fastest sedan in the world, it could go 180MPH
NO SHIT,SHERLOCK!
@Covert Person Second fastest* sedan of its time, after the Alpina B10 Biturbo (E34).
Shabby ones for £15k, those were the days...
Love drifting this in forza horizon 5, thanks for the video. Also is it true only 1000 we’re made?
Beast
Isn't every car an 'invitation to break the law'
They all go over the speed limit.
who cares about the guy driving it or the fact that he switched the names. that car is gorgeous and thats why you all came to watch it! i mean damn that car is awesome
Middle management missile 😂
This car is beautiful
Drifting before drifting was cool lol
An outrageous invitation to speed. lol So apparently I was invited to speed this WHOLE time and I've just been sitting here ignoring her.
Yeah by the police logic the moment anyone brushes a finger against a gun that's clearly an invitation to go on a murderous rampage lol
Boss Saloon, still.
This is Top Gear, Tiff was with top gear, and he says that at 1:54!!
Woah this car they state could do 170 mph 175 mph and the police senators where 149 mph Top speed.
Gran Turismo 4 brought me here
Its is top gear tiff used to work for them in the past . I had a 3000 gsi 24v about the same time as this video it did 0-60 in 6 sec and i got 170 out of it going up hill on a motorway . Fast fast car . Had a go in a lotus Carlton but couldn't get insured at the time nor a astra gsi ? Although is was far slower lol .
Suppose you were in reverse as well
@@j99oeltowing a caravan that he used to transport lead around with....
Roket ..
E60 AMG was faster. But it was couple years later after 1990.
Its funny to read comments where people says that people are stupid when they say that this is top gear
How much different is a Carlton from a VNSS I wonder
Those who say its Fifth Gear... are young lots who's fond of the Current TG format (arent we all?)... but heck... it IS Top Gear... back when it was old and boring.. Clarkson is the only one worth watching back then...
Nah tiff was a driver and made top gear back then
I know I'm late to the party, but I agree about Tiff and would like to add Vicki Butler-Henderson.
Now around £100000.if only we knew😳
if only my carlton was half as powerful as that lol its a 2.0i cdx
How's she now 🤔 dropped a 2jz in her yet for a blip?
They haven’t lost a penny of value either.
Tiff was always old!
I had one of these cartons once all for about 8 hours. The next morning, you'd never would have believed I no longer owned it. What a beautiful, short-lived dream that was. Then it made me think ot getting old. And I realised if it still had my witts of mind I'd look back at life one last time and say what a beautiful dream this is
Black beauty!! 😍😍
Great to see “Andrew Tate” loving old opels/lotus/vauxhall carltons 😂
100k car now
The original sleeper car?
I thought Lotus decided to not use an LSD so that it would be more delicate and adjustable, instead of pushing in corners. The inside wheel always spins with power-slip in the turn.
This truly was a mental car. But now you can find a series of hatchbacks like the golf R or the AMG A455 that are faster than it by a damn siight
Its Fifth Gear
Tiff used to be a presenter on Top Gear years ago, google it.
it's Top Gear and Tiff said it himself at 1:52
Top gear
Why don’t people pay attention?
Vauxhall and lotus 💪
Just watching this in 2024 and that Carlton lotus is 25k omg sold all day 😂
No brasil, enganavam os tolinhos, como se fosse um autêntico GM Omega. E eles acreditam que são apaixonados por carros. Fazendão.
I had the pleasure of driving that car for a weekend after fixing it for a friend :)
2020 Anyone ?
How dare you get fifth gear mixed up with top gear
Bum Tingler the presenter worked on both
Tiff, used to present topgear.
Tiff clearly mentions in the video about it being top gear
1:52 how dare you
It’s Top Gear you ignorant twat
At normal highway speeds would this car have good gas mileage the twin turbos should help.
@DrkBluePenguin You can but only DOT "Show and Display" exemption.
90 grand these days.
thanks and sorry, i´ve found out by now though^^
I does not help to be fastest when they dont sell enough cars
25grand😢 .for sale today at 90grand
In gt5, I got one. Even stock, when I turned off traction control, it just wanted to drift. I tuned it to 701 hp, a good suspension tune, proper tires, and it's a controllable drifter.
Nice
Diff from the Aussie Commodore?
Legend
Wait is that Clarkson!? He looks like an actor!
The old Clarkson has hair.
Thats tiff needell. He was the top man in top gear before clarkson may and hamsters version of the series
Ya that's definitely Jeremy Clarkson.
BillyBull This is TIFF NEEDELL. Got it? Tiff Needell.
The craziest thing is: the Corvette from which it was derived goes for around the same price! I know which I'd rather have...
It was only the gearbox that came from a corvette.
@@GB-vn1tf Right: so no V8, no good looks and probably not much room for tuning either...
Richard looks little weird in this
me too...epic fun
@TheSpyChecker that's still in the 20th century, though. ;-)
Last one I seen was nearly $7000
And now we have veyrons etc lol
The whole issue of spay-eed...
700 hp on GT5 Lol
I have 1 today
Haha, svenska undertexter!
I really want to ship one out to the US.
@marcellon2003 this was in 2000
5th Gear
Now this, this is a car worthy of eurobeat. Dare I say, it's able to compete with the AE86 for most awesome car.
TheJooomes the ae86 is a slow, cheaply made, bad handling shitbox from the 80s. Isn’t the entire point of initial d that he wins races in spite of his car, not because of it? Stop circlejerking around a toyota corolla.
@@Eeter26 I have to agree with you. The AE86 is a bit overrated as its standard horsepower is only around 112 and people only like it because of Initial D
Well if you want luxury AND performance then yes, the little Toyota is a goner.
But I've had one of those "shitboxes" for over a decade now, and have driven various German performance sedans over the years.
The German stuff simply cant do low-mid speed corners, not like a Toyota anyway, if I turn in the same way I do with the Corolla they just understeer.
Literally the speed with which the Corolla enters a corner catches even me (the owner & driver) by surprise sometimes.
My dad drove the Corolla once and turned into an intersection, and nearly did a 180 on the spot.
And look at prices, some guys below says Carlton's are in the 120k area now, you get 10 Corolla's in good nick for that price.
Then there's insurance, from what I heard of U.K insurance rates: Lotus Carlton = Sell your house to pay the insurance for a year.
A Toyota Corolla? Insurance companies don't think twice about them, you can probably insure DOZENS of them before you even get near.
And while yes, insurance companies are a bit daft considering probably a greater ratio of Corolla's have gone into the ditch than Carlton's, but still, they charge what they charge.
As far as burglary, I'd imagine Carlton's and 86's to be about equally desireable (the 86 probably more so because of the cartoon), but when someone steals your Carlton, you're out 120k, if your 86 disappears overnight, you've got another 108k to spend LOL
Ill agree with you on that one because the AE86 is a very good car to throw about in the corners because of it's decent handling and it's 50/50 weight distrubution but the down side of the car is that it only has around 112-118hp so not so much on the straights. The AE86 has a 4AGE and if you put enough work into it you will be quite quick on the straights (if you arent already) but overall the AE86 is a good car and is loved by many such as (alot) of the Irish, Initial D fans and the Drift King himself Keiichi Tsuchiya.
yes tif
These days you can get a diesel saloon or a shopping hatch that will hit 60 faster than that 😎
Did they manufacture them with left side cabin steering?
Yes. This version on the video is Vauxhall Lotus Carlton, the british version of Opel Lotus Omega. Vauxhall version had steering wheel on the right, but the Opel's had them on the left. Other than that they're identical cars.
Just search the net for lotus omega
@@d-d-i the Opel was an Omega.
Ultimate family winter beater
Local_ Hotpotato a £80,000 beater...sure
why did Tiff leave Top Gear
Because he knew more about cars
@@Chickenfeetnomore was it that or was he pushed?
bruh this is Fifth Gear
1:52 of course
“Bruh” you’re wrong. It’s Top Gear.
i love this car in GT5
Sorry but that must be 5th Gear, Top Gear has always been on BBC Two, this is on
a different Channel
Tiff even says Top Gear at 1:50 ! :)
0:20 Vauxhall didn't do shit!
@lucrativeelfmongrel chill out mang
This is 5th gear
GAMESTER023 it’s definitely Top gear - Tiff was there for years before going over to the dark side.
1:52
Fucks sake, it’s Top Gear!
George Morley 😂
Best car ever.
Well it isn’t…
In the day, this was an unheard of unimportant car, that did not sell and were simply not talked about. The legend and leader of the pack by far, wore a Blue oval...
Aye looks like 5th gear to me lad lol Loved both of these shows, Topgear was a bit more cool but 5th gear still got watched! My gen evolved from watching Robot Wars, to sitting having a wee bev with the folks watching a Friday night movie or Red Dwarf lol World's fucked these days fellow 1988-1996 sorta gen we had it so good 🤘🤫💚
This is Top Gear prior to the Andy Wilman takeover.
This is fifth gear
1:52 yeah of course
Why are none of you paying attention?
Isnt this fifth gear?
No.
Fifth Gear doesn't exist until 2002. Also, Tiff used to be a host for Top Gear.
Tiff is a bit of a knob.
Still drives way better than you.
This is not top gear!
Old Top Gear! Pre-2001, i. e. before May and Hammond joined Clarkson.
1:52
Top gear. This is 5th gear
Fifth Gear doesn't exist until 2002. Also, Tiff used to be the host of Top Gear.
go to 1min52secs...
Ah right, sorry guys