It's great to see that you're still passionate about Tesla and everything else that's electric. Even after all these years, you still have it. Most people have quit by this time. That's why your channel is the best.
Welcome back, Bjorn and wife. Thoroughly enjoyed your sharing of the Thai vacations and interviews with us. Stay safe, keep reviewing and interviewing, and most of all, Enjoy the Winter.
My M3 lost 8 % in 23 days during our Summer holidays. It was parked in the garage, sentry not active, no Apps like teslafi or else installed. It's a dual motor long range Model.
I hope you are correct I will leave my M3 for 31 days parked in my condo garage in San Diego, CA. It is so cold where your Tesla lives, I never want to live in snow country again. Thanks for the test and Merry Christmas.
Excellent timing on the experiment and timing. Asked this question in the TMC fora, to convince myself to take the Model 3 to winter sport ski holiday in the French Alps. No public or private charging at the hotel, so the vampire drain in cold weather was what I was looking for.
@@mlee6050 My link to my video was blocked, but you can find it on my channel. video name "Elektroauto: Leert sich der Akku bei längerer Standzeit? Beispiel IONIQ" Translated: Electric car: Does the battery empty itself with a longterm parking? Example IONIQ electric
Welcome back Bjørn! Please go for a drive and document, that it is Winter somewhere :D We've had this shitty grey and boring weather for over a month now in Denmark...
I am losing 1.5% per day on my new 2021 model 3 - a very depressing discovery that I didnt know Tesla had (or thought had been solved). Not sure what I missed. My BMW i3 wouldnt lose that much in 2 weeks - so why can't Tesla achive the same trick that BMW manage to do - I don't know why,especially i am always told by Tesla fanboys that they are the ones supposedly years ahead of legacy car makers.
Good to get back to a classic data commentary! Pretty tight energy consumption when dormant, but pity sentry mode isn't equally frugal. This sentry is mostly off duty. Sheeeet!
Is there a way to power down the car even more? 14 Watt every day is too much. There should be a deep sleep mode that doesn't do anything until you open the door manually.
I wish this could be tested on all cars because I think this is one of the things that keeps people who can't charge at home from buying an EV. But if I can calculate that, with my driving, I would have to charge once or twice a month and not have to worry about battery drain while the car is parked then EVs feels much more accessible as it's not as big of an issue to just go somehwere to eat once a month while charging the car up.
I just parked my M3 in Orlando for 10 days while in Shanghai and only lost 10 miles. I was worried about “vampire drain” but the moderate Florida winter didn’t hurt at all. I also made a point to not check the app and wake it up. I also didn’t use sentry mode.
Vampire drain might be worse in the summer than winter trying to keep battery cool and overheat protection. Very awesome that it slept without draining for that long. Tesla really has improved on it from last year at this time. I got ceramic only on mine now and a light snow slid off so nicely like that. Other than more frequent snow I find so many common things between drivers here and there. So frustrating.
Well done Tesla - you've managed to get almost halfway toward the long park drain performance I see on BMW i3 . Still not yet quite totally convinced though.
@12:00 believe the missing 9kW is probably used by the accessories (heater, fan,etc.) and some losses on the OnBoard Charger (OBC) and maybe DC/DC. Whatever remaining was used to charge the battery
Would it be possible to put a small solar panel on the dash to trickle charge? I would do that with my ICE vehicles when leaving them for long periods for the 12v battery.
My Volvo v70 uses about 0,6 l/hr idling with a 70 litre tank. This means it can idle for about 4,8 days. If the model 3 heater runs at an average of 1kw(which i think is a low estimate) it will run out in 75 hours or about 3.1 days.
Audun Skilbrei That sounds like a fairly low estimate. Given that a typical fossil engine uses around 0.6 litres of fuel per hour per litre of engine displacement, and a v70 typically comes with either a 2.0 or a 2.5L engine, that would suggest it should use between 1.2 and 1.5L of fuel per hour while idling. In turn, that suggests it should be able to run between 46 and 58 hours before a 70L tank is empty. And that is for an engine idling with no load - anything that increases the electrical load (e.g AC, fans to push hot air into the cabin, lights) will increase idle rpm, which in turn increases fuel consumption.
@@kardy12 It's not an estimate. It's the actual consumption of my(1.6litre) volvo v70. Or should I say the value given by the cars consumption meter. The meter in the volvo rather handily switches from l/100km to l/hour when the car is standing still. And that figure is with the AC running. If I turn the AC of it typically goes down to around 0,4-0,5. And since the objective of this test it to keep the car warm the AC certainly could be turned off. As for the fan and the lights. Come on. The power of such a fan is probably only around 50 watts max. Lights? LED lights consume negligible amounts of power. Most of them could be turned off anyway. And 1kw to run the tesla heater is a very low estimate if we're being honest. The volvo would easily win this contest.
Question, how well do these batteries last in extremely cold weather, -20c to -40c? I live around 30 to 40km from work, so its around 80k back and forth. Would it last back and forth, without plugging in at work, and would it charge each time I get home for the next work day with just a normal wall charge? This of course is only for winter conditions, I know it would be just fine in summer and warmer months. Electric is looking really nice, but there are always concerns!
Why isn't there a solar panel on top of the car to slowly trickle charge the cells while you leave the car standing for a few days? 🤔 I know it wouldn't put much power in it but it would compensate for any drain or loss of battery power? 👍😎⚠️
It's al about the price. What would a solar panel cost? Are people willing to pay for it. And the best of all: look at the video, the car is covered with snow/ice and there is not much sun in Norway right now.
I parked my Ioniq phev for 10 days and it lost 1% of a 8.9kwh battery. That's 90wh. Nice to see Tesla doing better but it'd be nice to get an option(deep sleep?) that can get it down into the two digit wh per day.
Well... So nice your german improved... NEIN NEIN NEIN...😜💪😝 Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪 P.S. by the way ... seen our first Modell 3 charging in my little town...👍... things are moving FORWARD...finally 🧐
Marti A Not in these weather conditions.. Three hours of sunlight where I live in Sweden so far in november.. It's dark and gloomy all hours of the day, indoor lights are on all waking hours..
@@geraldh.8047 Not three hours a day, three hours for the whole month. You'ld need a solar array the size of a shopping mall to generate 14 watts average over the whole day in these conditions. With that said, if the battery lasts 7 months you'ld be well into spring and the sunnier months, so maybe it could work anyway, but for right now, expect a 250W solar panel to give at most 2.5W at noon in these conditions..
@@Tjita1 I would not underestimate the Potential Solar Energy gain in the north. There are some good Advantages which can compensate other factors. sciencenorway.no/forskningno-norway-solar-cells/bright-future-for-solar-energy-in-the-north/1379048
Besides the optional solar panel of the Cybertruck there are planed some additional solar panels in the Cybertruck's Wings as an Option as Well. And If this is not enough, maybe you can buy an additional solar panel, put it on the bed and Plug IT in the rear plug. Solar panels for balconies Work in this way.
How did you do that? How is the configuration? Mine is in the street and is consuming 22km per Day!! And we are not even under 0 Degrees! I check the app only when 24 hours have passed and Sentry Mode is not active. No USB is connected.....I am trying everything, I think my car doesn’t go to sleep...
i dont have a tesla but the battery drians alot from phantom drain from the heat when the car tries to keep the batteries a stable safe temp, but he car was parked in the cold for a while
Hmm, i experienced closed roads because of snow in december in Australia... Granted, it was on Mt. Wellington (right next to Hobart, Tasmania). But stil, it caught me by surprise.
The charge went from 72% to 58% SOC during a 25 km trip? Is consumption higher when the battery pack is cold? It looked like on the trip that your avg consumption was 240 wh/km which seems a little high. Asking because I'm in South Dakota, USA where we get a lot of cold weather. Love your channel, lots of good info.
Paul Hinker short trips when the car is cold soaked always use the most energy. Same for any car. If he had kept on driving, it would become more efficient since everything would have warmed up.
So you’re saying if Tesla were to put a small 100 watt solar panel on the trunk, this would never be a problem and actually help out in hot environments where cooling the battery drains it quite a bit more.
@@bjornnyland I didn't realise they use waste heat from the inverter to heat up the battery. So I guess if they put 100% of the regen energy through the inverter it would reduce its lifetime. And the price of a standalone heater that could take all that power probably Isn't worth it just for cold weather environments.
That's 120kWh/year. That's not so negligible. And you always loose energy at that rate - if you are at home and the car is sitting in front of your house, or you are at the other end of the world. In range that's around 700km.
Petr K It’s pretty negligible considering it’s effectively 1.7 charges over an entire year. Contrast that with wasting 80% of the energy of a tank as wasted heat every time you refuel a fossil car.
SCfan84 Err, a coal power plant typically has a thermal efficiency of around 40% while a natural gas plant has around 50-60%. Both fare far better than a fossil engine at around 20%. And that’s not even taking into account the fact that fossil fuels account for a diminishing portion of electricity generation in most developed countries - less than 50% in the U.K for example, and in Norway (relevant for Bjørn’s case) 99% of electricity generation comes from hydro.
@@kardy12 well comparing like to like. If you pick a high number of the range for power stations (60%) then you have to pick a high number of the range for gas engines right (40%)? But then even if you start talking about transmission efficiency at 85% and charging efficiency of 90% then even the best case numbers start looking somewhat similar (0.85x0.9x0.6)=0.4ish. Granted the thermal efficiency of an engine rarely reaches this number as an average case except in hybrids like a prius. I'm not against electric cars, I actually own a smartfortwo and Ioniq plug in and I ride an ebike most of the time. But the improvements are more likely to more like 20-40% than orders of magnitude with current power generation mix. In the winter if you want heat I think even running a hybrid might be more efficient carbon wise.
This is my first winter with my model 3. It got to -20 last week, and just parking my car at work I lost over 10% charge parked during the work day. I thought it was cold in iceland? Seems a bit colder in Canada :o
Nice test! Even new petrol/diesel cars go into some kind of "energy save mode" when left for 14+ days(not al models) so i have been curious on how electric cars hadle it.
We loved your video's from Thailand ! But... the most valid reason the have Sentry Mode is an airport parking and there you can't use it. Useless feature and a bad job by Tesla and you know you should have made the video were you used Sentry for 22 days.
@@bjornnyland But you are the one for all the Tesla drivers in the world to go for extremes and run Sentry mode for 22 days without being plugged in ! :-)
Dutch Kia e-Niro Driver If I had to chose when to use Sentry mode, I would much rather have it on while parked on city streets than at the airport car park.
The snow would be a problem though... unless they build in a heater, since for a long duration storage you don't need to heat it all the time, only keep the glass a bit above zero while it actively snows, and then you can stop heating.
10% vampire drain in 3 weeks is not a problem? I parked my Smart for 6 months and lost maybe 5%, if that, it was almost nothing. I would reconsider buying a Tesla unless I could store it without losing basically anything except natural battery losses, unless there is a way to trickle charge with a solar panel somehow. This is quite surprising. I wonder what my i3 will lose, will have to check the forums.
I will definitely get the solar panel for my Cybertruck. Then you could leave the battery with a low charge when you leave and have it full when you get back 😉
@@RadioactiveSaddam as he said, " It snowed melted and snowed again". In-between it was free, and not to mention that as soon as a little bit of the dark panel is free, the sun will warm it up and melt the snow from the rest of it. Which is normally the case when the snow gets heavy and it slides down the car a little bit.
Well, it can obviously regen more, since 8 kW would go straight into heat to heat up the batterypack further, the rest is just the inefficiency of AC to DC conversion.
Bjørn Nyland is there no parking fee? or is public transport more expensive than car parking for 22 days (which sounds like a policy mistake, ev or not)?
Wim There is nothing you can do about reducing the emissions of the flight, whereas you CAN do something about the emissions of the journey there. But I suppose you just wanted your “gotcha” moment.
If you would have parked at Sydney (Straya, down under) airport your car would have been black from all the smoke of the surrounding bush fires. I prefer snow.......
"I live about 50km from home!"
Jochen Spalding Live or work same same
It's great to see that you're still passionate about Tesla and everything else that's electric. Even after all these years, you still have it. Most people have quit by this time. That's why your channel is the best.
Welcome back, Bjorn and wife.
Thoroughly enjoyed your sharing of the Thai vacations and interviews with us.
Stay safe, keep reviewing and interviewing,
and most of all, Enjoy the Winter.
My M3 lost 8 % in 23 days during our Summer holidays. It was parked in the garage, sentry not active, no Apps like teslafi or else installed. It's a dual motor long range Model.
Just bought a Model 3, your videos has really made me switch from an engine powered car. Thanks!
I’d kill to have as much energy as you Bjørn! Fresh off a long vacation and you’re fully energized!
Bjorn, keep up the cold weather projects, I'm in Canada eh! so I need all of this data to build my arguments. Thanks.
I hope you are correct I will leave my M3 for 31 days parked in my condo garage in San Diego, CA. It is so cold where your Tesla lives, I never want to live in snow country again. Thanks for the test and Merry Christmas.
Isn't it possible for you to plug it in?
Will be fine, but make sure you don't open the app every day to wake up the car.
Thanks, been waiting on a video like this. Can’t wait till the a cybertruck starts shipping
Excellent timing on the experiment and timing. Asked this question in the TMC fora, to convince myself to take the Model 3 to winter sport ski holiday in the French Alps. No public or private charging at the hotel, so the vampire drain in cold weather was what I was looking for.
Good to se that the battery doesn't drain too much being idle. Glad to see your back from Thailand!
12:30 "I have to connect to wifey" ? :D
Honestly this woman is a treasure. Mine would leave me alone if I act with car like that :D
🤣
Benjamin Gamard Patreon exclusive video, that one 🎞
I think he said wifi
Heheheheeee, Ooow yes, ooow yes :D
Model 3: 7 Months
IONIQ: Hold my Type-2-Cable 😉 200 Months (I measured it).
But: Good to know! Thank you!
(Greetings from Ioniq-fanboy 🤣)
pics or didn't happen
@@GWthomse You can find my video at my channel th-cam.com/video/WiZDrnfyZi0/w-d-xo.html
4 and a half years. Very impressive if it indeed is still in working condition after such a long time. But yeah agreed, proof?
H. L. Rolling start to get going 😉
@@mlee6050 My link to my video was blocked, but you can find it on my channel. video name "Elektroauto: Leert sich der Akku bei längerer Standzeit? Beispiel IONIQ" Translated: Electric car: Does the battery empty itself with a longterm parking? Example IONIQ electric
Welcome back Bjørn! Please go for a drive and document, that it is Winter somewhere :D We've had this shitty grey and boring weather for over a month now in Denmark...
I am losing 1.5% per day on my new 2021 model 3 - a very depressing discovery that I didnt know Tesla had (or thought had been solved). Not sure what I missed.
My BMW i3 wouldnt lose that much in 2 weeks - so why can't Tesla achive the same trick that BMW manage to do - I don't know why,especially i am always told by Tesla fanboys that they are the ones supposedly years ahead of legacy car makers.
Good to get back to a classic data commentary! Pretty tight energy consumption when dormant, but pity sentry mode isn't equally frugal. This sentry is mostly off duty. Sheeeet!
Is there a way to power down the car even more? 14 Watt every day is too much. There should be a deep sleep mode that doesn't do anything until you open the door manually.
I wish this could be tested on all cars because I think this is one of the things that keeps people who can't charge at home from buying an EV. But if I can calculate that, with my driving, I would have to charge once or twice a month and not have to worry about battery drain while the car is parked then EVs feels much more accessible as it's not as big of an issue to just go somehwere to eat once a month while charging the car up.
I just parked my M3 in Orlando for 10 days while in Shanghai and only lost 10 miles. I was worried about “vampire drain” but the moderate Florida winter didn’t hurt at all. I also made a point to not check the app and wake it up. I also didn’t use sentry mode.
Nice to see you in the snow again
the Duster is so beautiful 😎
Vampire drain might be worse in the summer than winter trying to keep battery cool and overheat protection. Very awesome that it slept without draining for that long. Tesla really has improved on it from last year at this time. I got ceramic only on mine now and a light snow slid off so nicely like that.
Other than more frequent snow I find so many common things between drivers here and there. So frustrating.
Active cooling doesn't kick in unless the battery is warmer than 50°C.
Well done Tesla - you've managed to get almost halfway toward the long park drain performance I see on BMW i3 . Still not yet quite totally convinced though.
The i3 pretty much lacks everything that a Model 3 has. It even lacks a radar...
Its very safe to tell internet where are you going and for how long :)
@12:00 believe the missing 9kW is probably used by the accessories (heater, fan,etc.) and some losses on the OnBoard Charger (OBC) and maybe DC/DC. Whatever remaining was used to charge the battery
Would it be possible to put a small solar panel on the dash to trickle charge? I would do that with my ICE vehicles when leaving them for long periods for the 12v battery.
You should a test of who will last longer keeping inside temperature at 20 degrees between ICE VS TESLA!!
FULL TANK OR FULL CHARGE?
Sounds like a good idea :)
My Volvo v70 uses about 0,6 l/hr idling with a 70 litre tank. This means it can idle for about 4,8 days. If the model 3 heater runs at an average of 1kw(which i think is a low estimate) it will run out in 75 hours or about 3.1 days.
Audun Skilbrei
That sounds like a fairly low estimate. Given that a typical fossil engine uses around 0.6 litres of fuel per hour per litre of engine displacement, and a v70 typically comes with either a 2.0 or a 2.5L engine, that would suggest it should use between 1.2 and 1.5L of fuel per hour while idling.
In turn, that suggests it should be able to run between 46 and 58 hours before a 70L tank is empty.
And that is for an engine idling with no load - anything that increases the electrical load (e.g AC, fans to push hot air into the cabin, lights) will increase idle rpm, which in turn increases fuel consumption.
@@kardy12 It's not an estimate. It's the actual consumption of my(1.6litre) volvo v70. Or should I say the value given by the cars consumption meter. The meter in the volvo rather handily switches from l/100km to l/hour when the car is standing still. And that figure is with the AC running. If I turn the AC of it typically goes down to around 0,4-0,5. And since the objective of this test it to keep the car warm the AC certainly could be turned off. As for the fan and the lights. Come on. The power of such a fan is probably only around 50 watts max. Lights? LED lights consume negligible amounts of power. Most of them could be turned off anyway. And 1kw to run the tesla heater is a very low estimate if we're being honest. The volvo would easily win this contest.
I should also mention that the volvo is a diesel. Your figures may be more correct when applied to a petrol engine.
Bjorn did you remove the OBD bluetooth device before left on vacation ?
nope
Question, how well do these batteries last in extremely cold weather, -20c to -40c? I live around 30 to 40km from work, so its around 80k back and forth. Would it last back and forth, without plugging in at work, and would it charge each time I get home for the next work day with just a normal wall charge? This of course is only for winter conditions, I know it would be just fine in summer and warmer months. Electric is looking really nice, but there are always concerns!
Will you ever go to Japan to look at all the different ev but they have over there
Why isn't there a solar panel on top of the car to slowly trickle charge the cells while you leave the car standing for a few days? 🤔
I know it wouldn't put much power in it but it would compensate for any drain or loss of battery power? 👍😎⚠️
It's al about the price. What would a solar panel cost? Are people willing to pay for it. And the best of all: look at the video, the car is covered with snow/ice and there is not much sun in Norway right now.
I parked my Ioniq phev for 10 days and it lost 1% of a 8.9kwh battery. That's 90wh. Nice to see Tesla doing better but it'd be nice to get an option(deep sleep?) that can get it down into the two digit wh per day.
Well...
So nice your german improved... NEIN NEIN NEIN...😜💪😝
Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪
P.S. by the way ... seen our first Modell 3 charging in my little town...👍... things are moving FORWARD...finally 🧐
With a little solar panel it could keep the same energy!
Hopefully it will really be an option in the cyber truck
Marti A Not in these weather conditions.. Three hours of sunlight where I live in Sweden so far in november.. It's dark and gloomy all hours of the day, indoor lights are on all waking hours..
@@geraldh.8047 Not three hours a day, three hours for the whole month. You'ld need a solar array the size of a shopping mall to generate 14 watts average over the whole day in these conditions.
With that said, if the battery lasts 7 months you'ld be well into spring and the sunnier months, so maybe it could work anyway, but for right now, expect a 250W solar panel to give at most 2.5W at noon in these conditions..
@@Tjita1 I would not underestimate the Potential Solar Energy gain in the north. There are some good Advantages which can compensate other factors.
sciencenorway.no/forskningno-norway-solar-cells/bright-future-for-solar-energy-in-the-north/1379048
Besides the optional solar panel of the Cybertruck there are planed some additional solar panels in the Cybertruck's Wings as an Option as Well. And If this is not enough, maybe you can buy an additional solar panel, put it on the bed and Plug IT in the rear plug. Solar panels for balconies Work in this way.
Seems to have been quite some improvements in general from Tesla on this.
How did you do that? How is the configuration? Mine is in the street and is consuming 22km per Day!! And we are not even under 0 Degrees!
I check the app only when 24 hours have passed and Sentry Mode is not active. No USB is connected.....I am trying everything, I think my car doesn’t go to sleep...
I had my Renault Zoe parked for three months with a difference of only a couple of percentage loss. Why is the Tesla drining so much?
Why don't you do a road trip to Thailand? 😙🎶
Than do a roadtrip to Singapore because there is only 1 Tesla there I think so
There is 8785 km. from Norway to Thailand.
@@twiper so just nine 1000 km challenges 😙🎶
Good idea. But finding charging spots might be difficult after Europe on the way to Thailand.
May as well go all the way to Tasmania (Australia) via Singapore and ship to Darwin. 👍 That’ll be coooooooooool. 😉
i dont have a tesla but the battery drians alot from phantom drain from the heat when the car tries to keep the batteries a stable safe temp, but he car was parked in the cold
for a while
Welcome back bjorn
ARE YOU GETTING THE CYBERTRUCK? It would fit perfectly in norway
Godt testresultat mht. nordnorsk vinterforhold. Godt jobba, navnebror :-)
Just make sure sentry mode and summon quick start are disabled or you can kill it in a week.
Awsome battery drain test on Model 3! Thanks!!!
Welcome back!
Amazing informative-love your videos
Glad I live in Australia when I saw the car park brrrrr.
Hmm, i experienced closed roads because of snow in december in Australia...
Granted, it was on Mt. Wellington (right next to Hobart, Tasmania). But stil, it caught me by surprise.
@@Soordhin Yes that can happen, but I am in Darwin.
@@bendixon2898 Oh yes, the completely other side, definitely not cold at all ;)
Yeah, fires everywhere at the moment
That it for now, hope you enjoyed making this video, as always, thank you for showing, and will listen to you later! Did i get it right?
So how does the leaf battery behaves?
The charge went from 72% to 58% SOC during a 25 km trip? Is consumption higher when the battery pack is cold? It looked like on the trip that your avg consumption was 240 wh/km which seems a little high. Asking because I'm in South Dakota, USA where we get a lot of cold weather. Love your channel, lots of good info.
7 kW afterburners...
Paul Hinker short trips when the car is cold soaked always use the most energy. Same for any car. If he had kept on driving, it would become more efficient since everything would have warmed up.
So you’re saying if Tesla were to put a small 100 watt solar panel on the trunk, this would never be a problem and actually help out in hot environments where cooling the battery drains it quite a bit more.
It doesn't cool down the battery unless it's really hot (I think about 55°C) which is highly unlikely.
Maybe you would save more power if you hit the power off button? Dont think the car sais what it does, but i assume it used less power.
If the battery is cold shouldn't they just use whatever regen power there is to heat the battery?
How do you transform the kinetic energy or electricity to heat then? ;)
@@bjornnyland I didn't realise they use waste heat from the inverter to heat up the battery. So I guess if they put 100% of the regen energy through the inverter it would reduce its lifetime. And the price of a standalone heater that could take all that power probably Isn't worth it just for cold weather environments.
To clear the front windscreen it is faster to double click the front defroster
I know.
Which software is installed? I know the blue beam at battery indication only below 50% charging status...
Max regen is 50...charging at 40 with 7kW afterburner and 2kW HVAC...combined also 50ish?
Depressing video. Snö. 500 km east of Oslo There hasn’t been any snö yet year this year but now I realise it’s on its way in our direction. Blääää
That's 120kWh/year. That's not so negligible. And you always loose energy at that rate - if you are at home and the car is sitting in front of your house, or you are at the other end of the world. In range that's around 700km.
Its actually far more than that, because you are not always in energy saving mode. Should be around a full charge every month with sentry etc.
Petr K
It’s pretty negligible considering it’s effectively 1.7 charges over an entire year. Contrast that with wasting 80% of the energy of a tank as wasted heat every time you refuel a fossil car.
@@kardy12 but then if the energy came from natural gas then maybe 60% gets wasted as heat and transmission losses before it gets to your car...
SCfan84
Err, a coal power plant typically has a thermal efficiency of around 40% while a natural gas plant has around 50-60%. Both fare far better than a fossil engine at around 20%.
And that’s not even taking into account the fact that fossil fuels account for a diminishing portion of electricity generation in most developed countries - less than 50% in the U.K for example, and in Norway (relevant for Bjørn’s case) 99% of electricity generation comes from hydro.
@@kardy12 well comparing like to like. If you pick a high number of the range for power stations (60%) then you have to pick a high number of the range for gas engines right (40%)? But then even if you start talking about transmission efficiency at 85% and charging efficiency of 90% then even the best case numbers start looking somewhat similar (0.85x0.9x0.6)=0.4ish. Granted the thermal efficiency of an engine rarely reaches this number as an average case except in hybrids like a prius.
I'm not against electric cars, I actually own a smartfortwo and Ioniq plug in and I ride an ebike most of the time. But the improvements are more likely to more like 20-40% than orders of magnitude with current power generation mix. In the winter if you want heat I think even running a hybrid might be more efficient carbon wise.
Have you tried to up the hvac temp to max and see if it heats up the battery faster ?
Since its using only one heater then it might be hard to have many temeratures?
Nice video, like usually... thanks!
This is my first winter with my model 3. It got to -20 last week, and just parking my car at work I lost over 10% charge parked during the work day. I thought it was cold in iceland? Seems a bit colder in Canada :o
Dont forget that Sentry keeps your car awake which can results with loosing a lot more energy while parked.
@@camoreau I am pretty sure I dont have it on at work. I have no idea what drains the battery so fast.
I wonder how long the 12V battery would have lasted. Does your phone app show 12V battery voltage and SOC?
Car will keep the 12v topped up usually from main pack. Only an issue if you drop too low where car shuts down. Unless the 12v has bad cells
Did that other model 3 park next to you on purpose or just because there are so many in Norway... I wonder??
How about testing the charge speed on a 2020 E-soul with the 39KW Soul, I am thinking it maybe better than a Ionic.
What application do you use to see the cars stats
Is it possible to export the scan my tesla data to make charts/graphs? That would be a good way to compare power before and after the update
Nice test! Even new petrol/diesel cars go into some kind of "energy save mode" when left for 14+ days(not al models) so i have been curious on how electric cars hadle it.
We loved your video's from Thailand !
But... the most valid reason the have Sentry Mode is an airport parking and there you can't use it. Useless feature and a bad job by Tesla and you know you should have made the video were you used Sentry for 22 days.
No problem if you plug in. Oslo Airport has 700 power outlets at the parking.
@@bjornnyland But you are the one for all the Tesla drivers in the world to go for extremes and run Sentry mode for 22 days without being plugged in ! :-)
Dutch Kia e-Niro Driver
If I had to chose when to use Sentry mode, I would much rather have it on while parked on city streets than at the airport car park.
You have an update!
Cool... Just noticed we have the exact same name.
Great video thanks, what is the app called you are using?
Hey, I'm headed to Nornay next Summer. Do you have a Norwegian Travel Bureau referral code?
Well phantom drain is on the tesla model x
Cyber truck solar roof = no drain, hope to see that test out.
The snow would be a problem though... unless they build in a heater, since for a long duration storage you don't need to heat it all the time, only keep the glass a bit above zero while it actively snows, and then you can stop heating.
Cybertruck with solar on the back would be very helpful.. fully charged after a few days
i guess energy lost is a feature to consume less energy than traditional engine wich doesn't lose barely anything ....
10% vampire drain in 3 weeks is not a problem? I parked my Smart for 6 months and lost maybe 5%, if that, it was almost nothing. I would reconsider buying a Tesla unless I could store it without losing basically anything except natural battery losses, unless there is a way to trickle charge with a solar panel somehow. This is quite surprising. I wonder what my i3 will lose, will have to check the forums.
Did you test the i3 in Scandinavia during winter?
I will definitely get the solar panel for my Cybertruck. Then you could leave the battery with a low charge when you leave and have it full when you get back 😉
Even if the car is covered with snow/ice...?
@@RadioactiveSaddam as he said, " It snowed melted and snowed again". In-between it was free, and not to mention that as soon as a little bit of the dark panel is free, the sun will warm it up and melt the snow from the rest of it. Which is normally the case when the snow gets heavy and it slides down the car a little bit.
someone forgot to switch off the gps, radiator and the lights. i remember an old song."where have all the charges gone"?
Well, it can obviously regen more, since 8 kW would go straight into heat to heat up the batterypack further, the rest is just the inefficiency of AC to DC conversion.
Awesome stuff!
You turned sentry mode off ?
I had sentry mode go crazy before in snow. It does drain a lot more.
You should call it vegan drain 😂
You should switch off "mobile connection" that save some extra energy!
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Hello Bjorn, What is the model of your Android Smartphone ?
Huawei P10
@@bjornnyland upgrades :D
@@bjornnyland Thx, I love what you do it's really great !
It's not vampire drain, it's Denmark weather drain.
Gas cars wouldn't start after 7 months due to a dead battery.
Mc hammer great name M3 I had a hamsters with that name!
Dacia Duster 😍😍
Hvor kjøpte du telefonholderen?
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26th of November is my birthday 😂
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"Come on and Do It" :>
Why not just leave the car at home and take a taxi, buss og train?
I get that its a good video but still :)
The other options are more expensive and not fossil-free unless I get an EV taxi. But still more expensive.
Bjørn Nyland
is there no parking fee? or is public transport more expensive than car parking for 22 days (which sounds like a policy mistake, ev or not)?
Bjørn, you worry about a fossil free trip to the airport and then fly all the way to Thailand and back? Isn’t that a bit hypocrit?
Wim
There is nothing you can do about reducing the emissions of the flight, whereas you CAN do something about the emissions of the journey there.
But I suppose you just wanted your “gotcha” moment.
Phantom drain in Tesla Y is extreme
No, it's not. Did you run Sentry Mode? Turn it off.
@@bjornnyland its off.. close to 10 % in cold Oslo weather in 5 days
LOL - have to connect to wifey 12:30
I envy you!! 😅😅👍
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Free booze on the plane? trololoo :)))
If you would have parked at Sydney (Straya, down under) airport your car would have been black from all the smoke of the surrounding bush fires. I prefer snow.......