I've made idiotic decisions in cash shops before so I already know that this isn't a long-term project for me at all. I have to stay out of the cash shops completely because I start to act like an alcoholic with "just one more purchase" and I'm not going there again. The combat is fun. That's about what I can say after 4-5 hours of play last night. But I can't get sucked into paying for progression or I will hate myself afterwards lol.
@@unverifiedverified4418 I've heard from people that I trust that progression really isn't hampered much if you don't pay for it. You just need to group up and do higher tier content I guess.
Have played for 2 weeks and already at 3k CP with 130 hours in. Just sell stuff to the auction house and focus on a build from the start. you can easily make 500 lucent in a regular week just by selling stuff so you can pay for the battle pass and lvl pass quick which boost you a shit ton. All thta without spending a dime also join a guild. its a mmo
I'm going to save you guys the TL;DP (Too long, didn’t play) 🤣🤣 I played on the KR servers, reached Epic 2 set T2 content/dungeons, and maxed my gear at the time. At endgame: - Endgame will solely depend on the alliance that takes over the server. Both PvP and PvE content are heavily tied to this. - It gets stale, and you’ll notice how lacking the devs are in terms of competence. It’s as if they don’t know where the game is heading. - Yes, it’s open-world, but you’ll mostly use teleporters, and it feels more linear than “open” due to all the content being separated into zones with invisible walls disguised as big rocks or mountains. - You’ll notice how small and disconnected parts of the map are (which breaks the "open-world" immersion, in my opinion). - Gear is heavily pay-to-win . - The game is very meta-centric, both in PvP and PvE, with lots of gatekeeping. - Everyone equips SNS during Node Wars. - Good luck having fun as a solo player! 🤣 - The reason it died in KR is that the devs don’t know how to balance the advantage of big alliances, and it ruins the entire game’s content. TL;DR I give this 3 months tops in the West.
Thanks, finally a realistic comment. I srsly cant see this game living through 2025. All the stuff u listed and a few more make this a big fail sadly. I was hyped for another action mmorpg like bdo, but sadly, this time it isnt even the borderline upgradesystem that kills the game, no its simply the game itself. :(
Something to note is to make sure that you research the weapon combo you will be using and experiment before around level 20 because switching weapons becomes a chore later on after you've spent all those resources that become hard to come by at later levels.
Arena Net NOW has the rights for Guild Wars 2... the game was developed by NCSoft because NCSoft despite being known for being extremely greedy at times (although TnL is very friendly to F2P players cause they realized the fanbase was tired of their shit and they're trying to save their company) is also very well known for having made two of the most successful MMOs ever made (Lineage 2 which at it's time was as huge as vanilla WoW and Guild Wars 2)
I'm a solo player as well. I never do pvp unless it's an fps shooter. I love mmorpg's like WoW. Just haven't played one in years. I'm strictly a casual console player now as I'm up in years now and don't have alot of game time now. But I'm definitely gonna play until I hit that wall.
If you're a casual, p2w is a nonfactor. Reach your goals on your own time. I'm less concerned with p2w and more with time gated paywall games which I'm not seeing so far.
Same here brother. I recently played the other October release and Amazon Games sister game "New World". Just que for dungs with pugs and have fun, life skill and explore the world. Maybe buy a house. My only worry is there are no life skills in T&L iirc there is a barebones fishing minigame where you cook food for buffs ala most MMO's thats it. Just like to say to anyone listening just have fun upto level 50 then decide if you want to really invest and don't worry about the leaderboards leave that to the greasy sweatlords who live that swipe cc life 😂
@@lowkeylokii4205 If(!) this game is like Lost Ark it's a factor. Because in Lost Ark you could not reach your goals in your own time. You had to be in pace with the other players or you will have a very hard time progressing (players not taking you into raid groups, because it was week 3 after the raid came out and you still don't have 2-3 gear pieces from it, essentially locking you out of any progress at all)
This game is a ported, very polished version of Lineage Revolution (NCsoft's mobile MMO). It literally is IDENTICAL down to the UIs, the Icons, mob spawn density, like its crazy how people are on reddit calling this next gen when the entire game has existed for almost a decade. They didn't even change the font on certain screens. (Also, WoW's cosmetic, one single cosmetic made more than their entire quarter of monthly subs, they spoke about cosmetics bringing in far far more than the sub and not even really needing it but its grandfathered into the playerbase and they have no reason to remove it on a shareholder call 2 years ago.) Gw2 has only cosmetics and thrives, but I like T&L its just a clone of the mobile game down to the dungeon content and pvp.
I played for 3 days (I'm retired). Exploring the game was great and the world is beautiful and well put together. What I hated is while the game is basically free to play, it's pay-to-win when it comes to getting good crafting mats, weapons, or gear. The crafting system itself was mind-numbingly boring. I doubt I continue playing unless something changes.
Throne and Liberty: Dude, it's already P2Win all over. Pay to Skip, pay for gears, pay for upgrades, pay for instant boost, game mechanic is crap game loop is crap.
Damn. I went from wanting to play this to wanting to go back to GW2 then wanting to reinstall BDO. I don't want to be held hostage by an MMO's grind and rat race. Great video tho.
@@Demonsouls1993they are likely differentiating because Arenanet is a Western subsidiary and had nearly complete autonomy in their developments. PC gamers differentiate for very good reasons if you have ever had the chance of playing NCSoft and Arenanet games. Different development philosophies, monetization strategies, and implementation.
@@Demonsouls1993 You don't know what you are talking about because owning a company that made a game and making a game are 2 completly different things. GW2 has nothing to do with NCSoft style of games. It is very misleading to say that NCSoft brought us Guild wars 2
+++ Great point about Destiny 2 around the 16:10 mark. That’s exactly why I quit D2, and it's also the reason I'm done with this game. I'm tired of wasting my time on these.
How is pvp balanced? For example, in Final Fantasy 14 even if you could buy entire sets and plvl, stats and items are still equalized in pvp. in ESO champion points can be locked in most pvp modes. Is there something like that here?
I was surprised by how much i like this game ❤, i been loving the cut-scene, the combat is very satisfying, and I'm love the leveling up and crafting. I have been hooked, great review
I got it shut off not to tab to the next target. Guess what another enemy gets close to the guy I’m attacking, it targets that instead. I have to constantly swap back to the guy I’m fighting. Pisses me off. I had to put it down. Not sure when I’ll pick it back up.
Why not create a matchmaking system for siege warfare and the winners take higher loot. Would help MMOs become more solo friendly. The benefit to guilds is communication.
@@DaRoguemanbecause once human has a dedicated PvE server. N from experience people who enjoy PvE are generally more helpful n less competitive. Personally I’m here for PvE content. I hope they add more.
It's p2w if you don't feel like grinding 20 hours for 1 mat that is needed to upgrade an item. Plus grinding that mat only gives a chance at upgrading it. Each upgrade is % based..It could take you one mat or six. I hope you feel lucky
Yes and No.. maybe by technicality it has P2W aspects, but on the other hand they have the same Premium Currency Trading as Warframe, except it is thru in game auction house, but you won't have to spend real cash to gain the premium currency, just spend time hunting for things to sell... ;) so you can get anything that cash spenders can, for no cash..
i tried it a bit and its no game for me.. too many items, too many buttons, too many gifts and menus and too much upgrading skills and weapons and everything.. and too much reading beforehand to know what you should do.. no thanks
I loved wow raids and dungeons, spent years in bdo where everything was damn solo which for me defeated the purpose of playing an MMO, so I'm down for needing a group to progress even if I lean more towards casual
Thanks for the great honest review! Also, finally a review that I actually understand! My friends are playing but I was a little skeptical to try the game cause everyone is saying is all about pvp and I don’t usually enjoy pvp and I have kids so I usually play when normal people sleep so it’s nice to know that I can play the game or some parts of the game and enjoy it.
@@lennxeath3293 While watching the video.... no. It may be little but if you are reviewing a game and telling me about it at least get the name correct........
In regards to the seemless switching between Tab-target and Action, Guild Wars 2 had that implemented long before. Which you can toggle between both mode with a toggle-key. Most likely the fact that NC-Soft has their hands in both GW2 and T&L.
Any game with a heavy emphasis on PvP while ALSO providing P2W mechanics is just crap. The whales are going to dominate every PvP encounter and eventually the minnows will stop playing. Its one thing to offer an XP boost or cosmetics, but just straight up buying upgrade mats or increased upgrade odds is BS.
Thank you for the info. Not really into the Pay to win thing so I might not play for too long. I'm enjoying the content as you pointed out but late game grind and buy might not be my thing. i'm lvl 20 (Dagger/Wand) and really enjoying it so far playing solo. I enjoy guilds, but like you don't like the "Need people to progress" mentality. i just like them for the "Hang Out" aspect.
Yeah I had a lot of fun playing ESO but how many damn DLC expansions can you play where you're just getting side upgrades? The shit gets old. It's not like the overworld is difficult at all. That's one of the biggest problems doing the quests is so mind-numbingly easy. It's not even fun.
the point is, people who are using money to achieve things can do that on games like wow where you basically can only buy gold officially via the token. any run, raid, gear, mount, transmog can be bought off blizzard but by the community. people sell runs and people buy runs. basically its the same. you can buy pvp rating, you can buy pvp gear, everything. so basically, people who pay money will have these benefits no matter if the company is selling the stuff or player. same with eso, ppl sell gold, crafting material, runs for gold - millions of gold, which you can buy by any player or g2g page whatsoever.... so i think you get my point
ESO isn’t pay to win, there is nothing you can buy in the shop that will give you an edge over other people. The shop is 95% percent cosmetic. As for gold buying pretty sure that’s against tos. You can also just farm mats there is no incentive to buy gold. As for paying for runs those are usually just tied to skins and titles people want which are again cosmetic
@@jpwashere2868 u clearly missed my Point. People buy dozens of gold what they use to buy clears. Ofc its no p2w, just pointing out that you can „win“ anything in a Game with real Money. Buy eso Gold and upgrade all your Gear to gold is already an advantage, simple as that. Thats what its all about, people take Money and buy stuff that they arent capable of. In eso Theres no such System where you can win something on the Long run, But Thats also the reason theres just a handfull of hc prog guilds in pve. Its Not challenging at all.
@@jpwashere2868 also lets say we both start at the same day. You buy riding Books to Max out your horse with Money while I need 180 days for it. Thats a huge advantage and youll progress much faster. Faster riding speed, much more inventory space. As a newb u Take anything and waste hours sorting stuff. Its all p2w or at least pay to progress
I started playing it and then I kept having to watch videos to figure what not to do and you wouldn't believe the amount of don't screw up your game with the wrong decision videos so I just don't have time to do that much research just to even start a game.
What is that plushy that's following you around everywhere? What's the purpose of that ish? I mean, it's right under your feet the whole time but you didn't mention it at all?
Took me three days of grinding to beat the main storyline, INSTANTLY slammed both into paywalls and gatekeeps up the ass. As someone who's been playing MMORPG's for over a decade now, saying that this game left me with a sour taste in my mouth is an understatement. I'm not gonna bother with it anymore because: - the lore is laughable and reeds like a highschool fantasy fanfiction. You do a job for someone, that someone turns out to be a traitor, then another ally appears and you try to warn them, but that ally also turns out to be a traitor. By the third time you see it happening you'll just roll your eyes saying "this bullcrap again?" - I can't chat properly with people because the ingame chat is a clusterfuck that appears to be designed by an underpaid highschool student - half the chat is from bots spamming sales and teenagers insulting one-another constantly, best option is just to turn it off entirely - I can't heal or buff anyone outside my party, and to invite anyone I have to go through such an assanine clickage it's painful - I can't parkour properly because the game just randomly rolls the dice between running and flying morph (All of my deaths during the main storyline were due to fall damage because of this) - the game has HORRENDOUS hotkey detection (Can't use WASD in combo with any other keys for skills, not to mention that sometimes the game flatout REFUSES to acknowledge some of the hotkey commands, like you enter them too fast for it to process it). - balancing is off whack and all over the place, sometimes you enter a dungeon and you get wiped, other times one player solo's the whole thing and rushes ahead (rushing players LITERALLY just run straight for the boss and lock everyone else out in dungeons) - I get stuck on Secret Dungeon level10 because the boss is literally just a gearcheck (kills you instantly from 100% Hp unless you're a tank when it reaches about 5%hp) - Gear progression is fucked beyond belief, what little gear you get through the main storyline barely makes a dent in your performance. You can pay for random dropboxes but goodfuckingluck getting what you need - Healers in this game are FUCKED BEYOND BELIEF! Barely any gear provides Mana Regen or Wisdom or Perception bonuses, and what little it does is pathetic. I literally focused on Mana Regen as healer because I had nothing else to pick from. - the weapons mastery system is assanine, the game demands a lot of grind for it yet you can only run so many dungeons, and speaking of... - you can't run more than 2-3 dungeons daily before your tokens are expended, so you can't claim any further rewards, which you need to increase your gearscore to access higher dungeons - "openworld dungeons" are a scam, basically overleveld players just rush ahead to the main objectives, so if you're a newbie player you get left in the dust and die to aggroed mobs - Openworld contests are borderline insulting, leveling players get trampled into the dirt by bored DPS who run through the area and two-shot everything they come across. There are a plethora of other things I could write down, but I'm feeling way too sour and way too pissed off for burning almost 22 hours of my life into something that doesn't feel even the slightest bit rewarding. The moment you wrap up the main storyline (what little there currently is), all of the glaring issues the game has hit you like a runaway dumptruck. Save yourself the bother just like I'll save myself my time by dropping this game, by the end of its 3rd month this game is going to be yet another mediocre mmorpg fantasy throw-away title you'll see covered on Nerdslayers Death of a Game
I've just started leveling in the game, finally looking at videos...and this guild centric system is leaning me towards uninstalling now. My idea of being a sweat lord is tennis or running.
actually u no longer need to change weapons they fix that tvm now the weapon change automatically wen u use the skill of the weapon so it make it much easier to pve and pvp.
Combats fun. P2W part is pretty big. My tank has 11k hp. Got nuked by a 4.4k X 2 and died in 2 hits. Quit the game after. Was half traited and only missing one blue ring.
“There’s a tower with bosses and there’s even secret dungeons.” No secret dungeons is the tower you speak of.. how much did you even play like 20 hours?
The game looks good but as soon as i heard that NCSoft is the developer, immediately went "no, no". Knowing their greedy monetization tactics and how they destroyed Lineage2, i wouldn't get near a game coming from them, hard pass
A group of 20 of us have been trying to get on the same server to guild up and play this together, but their weird server crap it keeping us from doing that since we can not all log on at the same time. They keep closing the server so I think we are going to try for a soy or two longer. If we can not then we are going to go back to wow. The game looks like it will flame out fast with mega guilds ruining the servers. Seen that in two of them so far.
@@porytlim8508Bro the only fun Koreans care about in games is being able to spend thousands of dollars if they don’t like a game it means they can’t whale in it lol
@@everAU2 Game is f2p as of today 7PM CET in Europe (10AM Pacific Time), I down own a PS5, bought a PC after PS4 so if the PSN situation is the same as back then then yeah, you don't need PS Plus. Game is completely free to play although I would suggest you to buy the first battle pass cause it's a very good help for the initial gear enhancement and it's only 10$... after that you can keep playing without spending a dime and you'll be completely fine, don't listen to the doomers that say you need to sell your house to win in this game, it's total bullshit...
2 turn-off for me: (1) PvP emphasis and (2) Group focused activities emphasis. The latter is especially lethal if the player population drops and everyone will be sitting around waiting for everyone to group up to do any activities. Any MMOs that don't have a good solid deep comprehensive solo focused play would die a quick death because players will leave for other new MMOs when they launched. It will spiral down in vicious cycle. Those who remain playing will find many players left to play other new MMO. They will leave too when they can't do anything in the MMO without a decent group. When the returning players come back from playing new MMOs, they will find little player left because they have left. So these returning players will leave too. I think you get what I mean.
Which furry critter do you get to be when you go into travel/furry form? P.S. there no lore when class and race is cosmetic. Guild vs guild is all Asians can come up with. You'd think they'd want to move away from Guildwars and maybe look at something special like Dark Age of Camelot - but no one does that.
Throne and Liberty: Dude, it's already P2Win all over. Pay to Skip, pay for gears, pay for upgrades, pay for instant boost, game mechanic is crap game loop is crap.
Don't kid yourself... even if you grind for 18hrs a day, you will never compete with the thousands of bots and chinese farmers. If you don't plan on spending $100's of dollars on a mobile PC port, this game is a complete waste of time.
You missed that this game is a hellhole for casuals and they should avoid it like the plague if they aren't able to play 5h a day to do all the important timegated stuff.
That's early access and bonus content. I think it officially launches for everyone at 5pm tonight. Edit: I think it actually just launched 16 minutes ago. My bad, man
I think ESO was way better control wise I do not like the final fantasy XIV controls and it looks like they were copy and pasted into this game the ESO controls were super smooth while these feel clunky just like final fantasy XIV I am playing on Xbox and maybe that is why
Sadly I won't play bc i have no friends to play this with and from what I heard you need to be in a guild. I'll keep playing my modded skyrim and probably just watch other people play it on YT or Twitch instead
You’d rather play a game that’s like 15 years old vs something new? 😅 9/10 ppl in the game probably started solo. Joining guild is easy you literally don’t even need to know anybody before joining one.
@@dontlightupthesky dude just stop. There is no part of this game where you HAVE to spend money. It’s literally minimal p2w. And the things you can buy to progress faster are capped at a certain amount you can buy. You’re probably someone who’s been stuck on the same mmo for 10 years and just sits in misery because he can’t let go and try new things.
A quick question on the UI, can stuff be moved around or removed from the UI and can bars be resized etc. when I played FFXIV online I liked how I can change the UI so if you have played FFXIV online you will know what I mean.
Developed by the people behind guild wars 2!? that's fantastic! their online games usually have very few issues apart from a lack of controller support but now it has it... glorious adventures awaits!!
![What Should I Do Next? Top Level 50 Goals & Priorities [Throne and Liberty Global Guide]](/img/n.gif)
I've made idiotic decisions in cash shops before so I already know that this isn't a long-term project for me at all. I have to stay out of the cash shops completely because I start to act like an alcoholic with "just one more purchase" and I'm not going there again. The combat is fun. That's about what I can say after 4-5 hours of play last night. But I can't get sucked into paying for progression or I will hate myself afterwards lol.
We should just pass a law against it period. Stop ruining gaming.
@@unverifiedverified4418 I've heard from people that I trust that progression really isn't hampered much if you don't pay for it. You just need to group up and do higher tier content I guess.
Have played for 2 weeks and already at 3k CP with 130 hours in. Just sell stuff to the auction house and focus on a build from the start. you can easily make 500 lucent in a regular week just by selling stuff so you can pay for the battle pass and lvl pass quick which boost you a shit ton. All thta without spending a dime
also join a guild. its a mmo
@@Qwairy I decided just not to play. There are some cool aspects of the game for sure, but it's just not for me.
I'm going to save you guys the TL;DP (Too long, didn’t play) 🤣🤣
I played on the KR servers, reached Epic 2 set T2 content/dungeons, and maxed my gear at the time.
At endgame:
- Endgame will solely depend on the alliance that takes over the server. Both PvP and PvE content are heavily tied to this.
- It gets stale, and you’ll notice how lacking the devs are in terms of competence. It’s as if they don’t know where the game is heading.
- Yes, it’s open-world, but you’ll mostly use teleporters, and it feels more linear than “open” due to all the content being separated into zones with invisible walls disguised as big rocks or mountains.
- You’ll notice how small and disconnected parts of the map are (which breaks the "open-world" immersion, in my opinion).
- Gear is heavily pay-to-win .
- The game is very meta-centric, both in PvP and PvE, with lots of gatekeeping.
- Everyone equips SNS during Node Wars.
- Good luck having fun as a solo player! 🤣
- The reason it died in KR is that the devs don’t know how to balance the advantage of big alliances, and it ruins the entire game’s content.
TL;DR
I give this 3 months tops in the West.
Nice. Looking for something to waste time for 3 months.
Thanks, finally a realistic comment. I srsly cant see this game living through 2025. All the stuff u listed and a few more make this a big fail sadly.
I was hyped for another action mmorpg like bdo, but sadly, this time it isnt even the borderline upgradesystem that kills the game, no its simply the game itself. :(
Iam 700h in global , iam totally agree with you and i quit it 2 days ago.
@@fathiiy Yep, totally agreed. Didn't even touched it. Glad you completely came to your senses xD
Something to note is to make sure that you research the weapon combo you will be using and experiment before around level 20 because switching weapons becomes a chore later on after you've spent all those resources that become hard to come by at later levels.
Arena Net made Guild wars 2. I wish Arena Net, who is a top-tier developer, made throne and liberty.
It was published by NCSoft. FYI
Minus the billion mounts and have all gameplay now be based around mount abilities and I agree. I can't wait for GW3.
Arena Net NOW has the rights for Guild Wars 2... the game was developed by NCSoft because NCSoft despite being known for being extremely greedy at times (although TnL is very friendly to F2P players cause they realized the fanbase was tired of their shit and they're trying to save their company) is also very well known for having made two of the most successful MMOs ever made (Lineage 2 which at it's time was as huge as vanilla WoW and Guild Wars 2)
This comment sounds.so.dumb. this game.is fire and been top steam game for a week. You sound like a dummy
@@sportschool3537 arenanet developed gw 1 and gw2, ncsoft was only the publisher
Idk why, but saying THRONES and Liberty has the same feel to it as if you said Game of THRONE 😅
I'm a solo player as well. I never do pvp unless it's an fps shooter. I love mmorpg's like WoW. Just haven't played one in years. I'm strictly a casual console player now as I'm up in years now and don't have alot of game time now. But I'm definitely gonna play until I hit that wall.
This game is so not solo, at least compared to other games like FF14 GW2 or WoW. End game with throne is pvp; The pve only feeds the pvp.
If you're a casual, p2w is a nonfactor. Reach your goals on your own time. I'm less concerned with p2w and more with time gated paywall games which I'm not seeing so far.
Same here brother. I recently played the other October release and Amazon Games sister game "New World".
Just que for dungs with pugs and have fun, life skill and explore the world. Maybe buy a house.
My only worry is there are no life skills in T&L iirc there is a barebones fishing minigame where you cook food for buffs ala most MMO's thats it.
Just like to say to anyone listening just have fun upto level 50 then decide if you want to really invest and don't worry about the leaderboards leave that to the greasy sweatlords who live that swipe cc life 😂
@@lowkeylokii4205 If(!) this game is like Lost Ark it's a factor. Because in Lost Ark you could not reach your goals in your own time. You had to be in pace with the other players or you will have a very hard time progressing (players not taking you into raid groups, because it was week 3 after the raid came out and you still don't have 2-3 gear pieces from it, essentially locking you out of any progress at all)
This game is a ported, very polished version of Lineage Revolution (NCsoft's mobile MMO). It literally is IDENTICAL down to the UIs, the Icons, mob spawn density, like its crazy how people are on reddit calling this next gen when the entire game has existed for almost a decade. They didn't even change the font on certain screens. (Also, WoW's cosmetic, one single cosmetic made more than their entire quarter of monthly subs, they spoke about cosmetics bringing in far far more than the sub and not even really needing it but its grandfathered into the playerbase and they have no reason to remove it on a shareholder call 2 years ago.) Gw2 has only cosmetics and thrives, but I like T&L its just a clone of the mobile game down to the dungeon content and pvp.
I played for 3 days (I'm retired). Exploring the game was great and the world is beautiful and well put together. What I hated is while the game is basically free to play, it's pay-to-win when it comes to getting good crafting mats, weapons, or gear. The crafting system itself was mind-numbingly boring. I doubt I continue playing unless something changes.
Kind of sounds like bdo where maybe the combat and exploring is fun but everything else around it is overly complex and busy bullshit.
My brother, say it with me: THRONE and Liberty. No “S.”
Finally someone notices! So annoying
Chill brother
Its not a Big Issue...
...also could you spare me sone oats brother?
Throne and Liberty: Dude, it's already P2Win all over. Pay to Skip, pay for gears, pay for upgrades, pay for instant boost, game mechanic is crap game loop is crap.
My bad. I was thinking it was "Thrones ands Liberties" this whole time! 😵
It’s not that big of a deal lmao
Damn. I went from wanting to play this to wanting to go back to GW2 then wanting to reinstall BDO. I don't want to be held hostage by an MMO's grind and rat race. Great video tho.
Not knowing who NCsoft is and thinking they made GW2 makes your opinion irrelevant.
That was the first strike. The second and third was that he is partnered with Amazon lol.
I loved played Aion from NCsoft a very long time ago. haha
Guess what NCsoft owns arena net so you don't even know what your talking about
@@Demonsouls1993they are likely differentiating because Arenanet is a Western subsidiary and had nearly complete autonomy in their developments. PC gamers differentiate for very good reasons if you have ever had the chance of playing NCSoft and Arenanet games. Different development philosophies, monetization strategies, and implementation.
@@Demonsouls1993 You don't know what you are talking about because owning a company that made a game and making a game are 2 completly different things. GW2 has nothing to do with NCSoft style of games. It is very misleading to say that NCSoft brought us Guild wars 2
+++ Great point about Destiny 2 around the 16:10 mark. That’s exactly why I quit D2, and it's also the reason I'm done with this game. I'm tired of wasting my time on these.
"I just wanna kill stuff and get more powerful" 🥴
Always like your content!
How is pvp balanced? For example, in Final Fantasy 14 even if you could buy entire sets and plvl, stats and items are still equalized in pvp. in ESO champion points can be locked in most pvp modes. Is there something like that here?
Nope. Very gear dependent PvP
I was surprised by how much i like this game ❤, i been loving the cut-scene, the combat is very satisfying, and I'm love the leveling up and crafting. I have been hooked, great review
thank you for the info... I dont like guilds much either, and not good at pvp usually..... but it looks like lots of other stuff to do...
Welcome back!
I got it shut off not to tab to the next target. Guess what another enemy gets close to the guy I’m attacking, it targets that instead. I have to constantly swap back to the guy I’m fighting. Pisses me off. I had to put it down. Not sure when I’ll pick it back up.
Why not create a matchmaking system for siege warfare and the winners take higher loot. Would help MMOs become more solo friendly. The benefit to guilds is communication.
Yap P2W
It is P2W
And the end game is PVP
The game is P2W
Is it tho??? also I see people complain about P2W a lot but have 0 praise of game like once human with 0 p2w
@@DaRoguemanbecause once human has a dedicated PvE server. N from experience people who enjoy PvE are generally more helpful n less competitive.
Personally I’m here for PvE content. I hope they add more.
It's p2w if you don't feel like grinding 20 hours for 1 mat that is needed to upgrade an item. Plus grinding that mat only gives a chance at upgrading it. Each upgrade is % based..It could take you one mat or six. I hope you feel lucky
The end game is ZvZ not PvP. Zerg vs Zerg.
Yes and No.. maybe by technicality it has P2W aspects, but on the other hand they have the same Premium Currency Trading as Warframe, except it is thru in game auction house, but you won't have to spend real cash to gain the premium currency, just spend time hunting for things to sell... ;) so you can get anything that cash spenders can, for no cash..
i tried it a bit and its no game for me.. too many items, too many buttons, too many gifts and menus and too much upgrading skills and weapons and everything.. and too much reading beforehand to know what you should do.. no thanks
Small brains
@@sebasbeau7631 and toxic fanbase.. no thanks..
can't wait to play "thrones and liberty" this weekend.
I loved wow raids and dungeons, spent years in bdo where everything was damn solo which for me defeated the purpose of playing an MMO, so I'm down for needing a group to progress even if I lean more towards casual
Sounds amazing. Can't wait for later to finally play it
Thanks for the great honest review! Also, finally a review that I actually understand! My friends are playing but I was a little skeptical to try the game cause everyone is saying is all about pvp and I don’t usually enjoy pvp and I have kids so I usually play when normal people sleep so it’s nice to know that I can play the game or some parts of the game and enjoy it.
Why do you keep saying thrones of liberty?
Chill brother.
Its not a Big Issue...
...also could you spare me some oats brother?
Right!😂 it’s not a big deal but it is still like..🫠
I’m calling it Throne of Liberty moving forward ❤
It's such a little thing to get annoyed about do you not have any other things to do lol
@@lennxeath3293 While watching the video.... no. It may be little but if you are reviewing a game and telling me about it at least get the name correct........
In regards to the seemless switching between Tab-target and Action, Guild Wars 2 had that implemented long before. Which you can toggle between both mode with a toggle-key.
Most likely the fact that NC-Soft has their hands in both GW2 and T&L.
uh, didnt ArenaNet develop guild wars? and why are you mispronouncing the title of throne and liberty?
Any game with a heavy emphasis on PvP while ALSO providing P2W mechanics is just crap. The whales are going to dominate every PvP encounter and eventually the minnows will stop playing. Its one thing to offer an XP boost or cosmetics, but just straight up buying upgrade mats or increased upgrade odds is BS.
It's Animorph! the P2W mmorpg.
Thank you for the info. Not really into the Pay to win thing so I might not play for too long. I'm enjoying the content as you pointed out but late game grind and buy might not be my thing. i'm lvl 20 (Dagger/Wand) and really enjoying it so far playing solo. I enjoy guilds, but like you don't like the "Need people to progress" mentality. i just like them for the "Hang Out" aspect.
"UNABLE TO CREATE A CHARACTER(10)"
10/10 game can recommend
Idk if I missed it but is PvP forced? Or can you do only PvE?
Not forced
Early days, it looks pretty impressive for a new MMO although I'd like to see how well it stands against ESO when it gets out of beta.
Well ESO has set the bar pretty low at this point. That game is a dumpster fire.
@@madhatten5123 eso has always been buggy but it had redeeming features in the past.
Eso's bar is in hell though so that's not hard to surpass
@@xyourdeus4972 facts. Big PvP update two years in the making!!!!! We removed 1 team from BGs and made 7 whole maps…… Wow mind blown.
Yeah I had a lot of fun playing ESO but how many damn DLC expansions can you play where you're just getting side upgrades? The shit gets old. It's not like the overworld is difficult at all. That's one of the biggest problems doing the quests is so mind-numbingly easy. It's not even fun.
the point is, people who are using money to achieve things can do that on games like wow where you basically can only buy gold officially via the token. any run, raid, gear, mount, transmog can be bought off blizzard but by the community. people sell runs and people buy runs. basically its the same. you can buy pvp rating, you can buy pvp gear, everything. so basically, people who pay money will have these benefits no matter if the company is selling the stuff or player. same with eso, ppl sell gold, crafting material, runs for gold - millions of gold, which you can buy by any player or g2g page whatsoever.... so i think you get my point
ESO isn’t pay to win, there is nothing you can buy in the shop that will give you an edge over other people. The shop is 95% percent cosmetic. As for gold buying pretty sure that’s against tos. You can also just farm mats there is no incentive to buy gold. As for paying for runs those are usually just tied to skins and titles people want which are again cosmetic
@@jpwashere2868 u clearly missed my Point. People buy dozens of gold what they use to buy clears. Ofc its no p2w, just pointing out that you can „win“ anything in a Game with real Money. Buy eso Gold and upgrade all your Gear to gold is already an advantage, simple as that. Thats what its all about, people take Money and buy stuff that they arent capable of. In eso Theres no such System where you can win something on the Long run, But Thats also the reason theres just a handfull of hc prog guilds in pve. Its Not challenging at all.
@@jpwashere2868 also lets say we both start at the same day. You buy riding Books to Max out your horse with Money while I need 180 days for it. Thats a huge advantage and youll progress much faster. Faster riding speed, much more inventory space. As a newb u Take anything and waste hours sorting stuff. Its all p2w or at least pay to progress
I started playing it and then I kept having to watch videos to figure what not to do and you wouldn't believe the amount of don't screw up your game with the wrong decision videos so I just don't have time to do that much research just to even start a game.
Same for me on the guilds
I wish the wand had bigger heals earlier in the game. Early game no one dodges
3:40 greatsword has a tiny bit of AOE. its a single target damage weapon. Idk where you getting your info
I am pretty sure it does a spin to win ability that hits more than 1 target
What is that plushy that's following you around everywhere? What's the purpose of that ish? I mean, it's right under your feet the whole time but you didn't mention it at all?
Took me three days of grinding to beat the main storyline, INSTANTLY slammed both into paywalls and gatekeeps up the ass. As someone who's been playing MMORPG's for over a decade now, saying that this game left me with a sour taste in my mouth is an understatement.
I'm not gonna bother with it anymore because:
- the lore is laughable and reeds like a highschool fantasy fanfiction. You do a job for someone, that someone turns out to be a traitor, then another ally appears and you try to warn them, but that ally also turns out to be a traitor. By the third time you see it happening you'll just roll your eyes saying "this bullcrap again?"
- I can't chat properly with people because the ingame chat is a clusterfuck that appears to be designed by an underpaid highschool student
- half the chat is from bots spamming sales and teenagers insulting one-another constantly, best option is just to turn it off entirely
- I can't heal or buff anyone outside my party, and to invite anyone I have to go through such an assanine clickage it's painful
- I can't parkour properly because the game just randomly rolls the dice between running and flying morph
(All of my deaths during the main storyline were due to fall damage because of this)
- the game has HORRENDOUS hotkey detection (Can't use WASD in combo with any other keys for skills, not to mention that sometimes the game flatout REFUSES to acknowledge some of the hotkey commands, like you enter them too fast for it to process it).
- balancing is off whack and all over the place, sometimes you enter a dungeon and you get wiped, other times one player solo's the whole thing and rushes ahead
(rushing players LITERALLY just run straight for the boss and lock everyone else out in dungeons)
- I get stuck on Secret Dungeon level10 because the boss is literally just a gearcheck (kills you instantly from 100% Hp unless you're a tank when it reaches about 5%hp)
- Gear progression is fucked beyond belief, what little gear you get through the main storyline barely makes a dent in your performance. You can pay for random dropboxes but goodfuckingluck getting what you need
- Healers in this game are FUCKED BEYOND BELIEF! Barely any gear provides Mana Regen or Wisdom or Perception bonuses, and what little it does is pathetic. I literally focused on Mana Regen as healer because I had nothing else to pick from.
- the weapons mastery system is assanine, the game demands a lot of grind for it yet you can only run so many dungeons, and speaking of...
- you can't run more than 2-3 dungeons daily before your tokens are expended, so you can't claim any further rewards, which you need to increase your gearscore to access higher dungeons
- "openworld dungeons" are a scam, basically overleveld players just rush ahead to the main objectives, so if you're a newbie player you get left in the dust and die to aggroed mobs
- Openworld contests are borderline insulting, leveling players get trampled into the dirt by bored DPS who run through the area and two-shot everything they come across.
There are a plethora of other things I could write down, but I'm feeling way too sour and way too pissed off for burning almost 22 hours of my life into something that doesn't feel even the slightest bit rewarding. The moment you wrap up the main storyline (what little there currently is), all of the glaring issues the game has hit you like a runaway dumptruck. Save yourself the bother just like I'll save myself my time by dropping this game, by the end of its 3rd month this game is going to be yet another mediocre mmorpg fantasy throw-away title you'll see covered on Nerdslayers Death of a Game
I've just started leveling in the game, finally looking at videos...and this guild centric system is leaning me towards uninstalling now. My idea of being a sweat lord is tennis or running.
actually u no longer need to change weapons they fix that tvm now the weapon change automatically wen u use the skill of the weapon so it make it much easier to pve and pvp.
Does Throne and Liberty have a subscription option?
is there any like party roles? tank suport dps?
could always count on you to deliver a great review ... thank you as always brother
Can you share the quest you are on with others?
Breh Aion forever. ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
I thought this was out already but it still says "coming Oct 1" on steam....
10am pst
Combats fun. P2W part is pretty big. My tank has 11k hp. Got nuked by a 4.4k X 2 and died in 2 hits. Quit the game after. Was half traited and only missing one blue ring.
“Dont play this game if you expect it to be exactly like eso or other mmos you’ve been holding onto for the last 10-15 years.” Fixed your thumbnail.
Good review you almost hit all the marks. You tell all the truth.
S/S/W, LB/D, that sounds really fun.
“There’s a tower with bosses and there’s even secret dungeons.” No secret dungeons is the tower you speak of.. how much did you even play like 20 hours?
Game of Thrones and Liberty 🤣 Appreciate ya, Deltia!!!
The game looks good but as soon as i heard that NCSoft is the developer, immediately went "no, no". Knowing their greedy monetization tactics and how they destroyed Lineage2, i wouldn't get near a game coming from them, hard pass
This MMO failed in east because it was not p2w enough
A group of 20 of us have been trying to get on the same server to guild up and play this together, but their weird server crap it keeping us from doing that since we can not all log on at the same time. They keep closing the server so I think we are going to try for a soy or two longer. If we can not then we are going to go back to wow. The game looks like it will flame out fast with mega guilds ruining the servers. Seen that in two of them so far.
Koreans are stopping playing this game cause its "not enough p2w" LMAO
They are mentally ill
@@yupcb Koreans stop playing it because it is not fun to play... and also it is P2W as well.
@@porytlim8508 that’s the opposite of what the other guy said
I guess we’ll see
@@porytlim8508Bro the only fun Koreans care about in games is being able to spend thousands of dollars if they don’t like a game it means they can’t whale in it lol
@@porytlim8508 Yeah I thought it was garbage too.
Are there trials/raids with a big group like in EsO? Or only dungeons with just a few people?
6 player dungeons rn and 12 player raids are coming soon
@@iTARGITdoes it requiere PSN plus to play? Or is it f2p to play multiplayer like fortnite,neverwinter?
there are open world Raids that require whole alliances to compete for them with pvp, with good mechanics etc, and there are also guild Raids.
@@everAU2 Game is f2p as of today 7PM CET in Europe (10AM Pacific Time), I down own a PS5, bought a PC after PS4 so if the PSN situation is the same as back then then yeah, you don't need PS Plus. Game is completely free to play although I would suggest you to buy the first battle pass cause it's a very good help for the initial gear enhancement and it's only 10$... after that you can keep playing without spending a dime and you'll be completely fine, don't listen to the doomers that say you need to sell your house to win in this game, it's total bullshit...
@@Numero_Eyea i was asking for guild raids
were you able to play pvp?
Will storage and items be shared between characters on an account
nope
I've got 60 hours in the game already, and I've never even seen the shop.
😂 yeah alright buddy.
@jackgreenway4646 it's not my fault some of yall are addicted to clicking the store.
How do I change combat modes?
2 turn-off for me: (1) PvP emphasis and (2) Group focused activities emphasis. The latter is especially lethal if the player population drops and everyone will be sitting around waiting for everyone to group up to do any activities. Any MMOs that don't have a good solid deep comprehensive solo focused play would die a quick death because players will leave for other new MMOs when they launched. It will spiral down in vicious cycle. Those who remain playing will find many players left to play other new MMO. They will leave too when they can't do anything in the MMO without a decent group. When the returning players come back from playing new MMOs, they will find little player left because they have left. So these returning players will leave too. I think you get what I mean.
Which furry critter do you get to be when you go into travel/furry form? P.S. there no lore when class and race is cosmetic. Guild vs guild is all Asians can come up with. You'd think they'd want to move away from Guildwars and maybe look at something special like Dark Age of Camelot - but no one does that.
"Thrones" & Liberty...
A lot of creators I've ben watching state you can get to max level in around 8 hours.
Oh an everyone looks the same, there are like only 10 sets of armor
I'm sure they'll have endless cool shit. You can buy in the paid store which is something I hate about modern MMOs
Support= 5k 1 gear
Why did you think NC made GE2 😭😭
Def looks like lost ark with a diff camera angle, and without that annoying honing system
APAC servers are really just Japan which sucks for Australians
Throne and Liberty: Dude, it's already P2Win all over. Pay to Skip, pay for gears, pay for upgrades, pay for instant boost, game mechanic is crap game loop is crap.
Guess what? That's every MMO.
No its not lol@@Setzer777
@@societyGUN yes it is lol
@@Setzer777 there are non p2w mmos out there so no.
😂🎉 This comment is crap
wtf is throneS and liberty...
Its literally BDO with monsterhunter vibes with a lost ark pay to win for those asking.
Felt like I was playing black desert online but with slightly better mechanics
This game might not last long but it's enjoyable for me. So I'll play this game casually until it gets stale.🤷
I am having a blast with the game. I'm doing past 50 content with guild mates and having a ton of fun.
Don't kid yourself... even if you grind for 18hrs a day, you will never compete with the thousands of bots and chinese farmers.
If you don't plan on spending $100's of dollars on a mobile PC port, this game is a complete waste of time.
You don't even know the name of the game. It's not "Thrones."
I enjoyed lost ark until I had to pay to progress. Looks like I won’t be paying/playing this game.
Yeah definitely gonna pass on this one. Probably gonna stick to FF14 and New World Aeternum starting on the 15th
so overall game worth playing or no?
nah
It's free to download, try it and make up your own mind. I thought it was trash.
You missed that this game is a hellhole for casuals and they should avoid it like the plague if they aren't able to play 5h a day to do all the important timegated stuff.
yeah more mmos should learn from the class system in ffxiv
You should really learn the difference between a developer and a publisher
World looks pretty cool, but the movement and combat don't feel right to me.
Lol I'm definitely rocking the bald eagle 🦅🦅
I don't like PvP in MMORPG's any more so I guess this one is a hard pass.
Is it crossplay?
At least get the name of the game right.
he added S in Throne and liberty. Not a big deal, not like he said something completely different
Sounds like he's saying thrones in liberty
@@reilly5268 noone cares.
I thought this game was free to play on console. Why is it still $40??
I found it for free. What platform are you playing on?
That's early access and bonus content. I think it officially launches for everyone at 5pm tonight.
Edit: I think it actually just launched 16 minutes ago. My bad, man
@@hmmBEEFY PlayStation
@@AlmightyPooFlingerVI okay cool when I get home I’ll try it!
I think ESO was way better control wise I do not like the final fantasy XIV controls and it looks like they were copy and pasted into this game the ESO controls were super smooth while these feel clunky just like final fantasy XIV
I am playing on Xbox and maybe that is why
So this looks like a worse version of guild wars 2
Gamers allowed this P2W BS to happen. This wouldnt even exist and we would still have monthly subs.
Sadly I won't play bc i have no friends to play this with and from what I heard you need to be in a guild. I'll keep playing my modded skyrim and probably just watch other people play it on YT or Twitch instead
lol new game everyone going to find a guild
You’d rather play a game that’s like 15 years old vs something new? 😅 9/10 ppl in the game probably started solo. Joining guild is easy you literally don’t even need to know anybody before joining one.
@@Danny-e6v Alright , I'll have to give it a try then can't hurt.
@@Warlord99-f4rit will hUrt when it starts asking you to spend money to progress faster 😂😂😂😂
@@dontlightupthesky dude just stop. There is no part of this game where you HAVE to spend money. It’s literally minimal p2w. And the things you can buy to progress faster are capped at a certain amount you can buy. You’re probably someone who’s been stuck on the same mmo for 10 years and just sits in misery because he can’t let go and try new things.
A quick question on the UI, can stuff be moved around or removed from the UI and can bars be resized etc. when I played FFXIV online I liked how I can change the UI so if you have played FFXIV online you will know what I mean.
It's THRONE (singular) and Liberty, my brother, not THRONES (plural)
Developed by the people behind guild wars 2!? that's fantastic!
their online games usually have very few issues apart from a lack of controller support but now it has it... glorious adventures awaits!!