Agreed ! It's been a pleasant surprise. Had low expectations with it being linked with Amazon games and what they did or lack there of with New World. Having a great time
In my opinion, the character size in Throne and Liberty is perfect. To truly capture an epic setting, the player should feel small in comparison to the world around them; otherwise, the sense of grandeur is lost. In contrast, towns in games like New World often feel more like theme parks than real, immersive towns. Throne and Liberty excels in its world design, which is stunningly beautiful and filled with things to discover. However, what breaks the experience for me is the treadmill progression system. The constant need to level up gear, weapons, skills, and more-heavily dependent on items and resources-makes the game feel more like a chore than an adventure. Instead of immersing yourself in the world and enjoying the gameplay, it starts to feel like a job. There are people who enjoy this kind of progression but it is not my cup of tea.
Well said sir about the world building of this game. I thought its just me. Thinking that NW world and characters are a bit odd, certainly also with western mmorpg. I guess eastern mmo are more inclined in world building to its realism the proportion of elements the nature the ecosystem seem like incontext and compliment each element . While in NW and other western mmo its far from realism and it break the immersion like some rock formation how are they form the bushes the grass it seems that it just put out there and layered badly but it just for me in my opinion.
@@brianjansik4178 unless you're in the top 5 guilds you don't need to force yourself to get to BiS in 2 weeks, "grind" when u feel like it, dungeons and all will get easier the more ppl have better gs, making all of it faster aswell just as open world farming. That said if someone doesn't enjoy this loop then it's best to move on, for now I REALLY enjoy it despite barely getting anything out of it
It's like an old-school MMO with modern graphics! It's not perfect, but in my friend group, it's brought back a bunch of people to play, including some who haven't played video games in years.
@Jay Oddity Told you to trust. Started the game, I am the leader of a 35 players guild, with my friends, having fun and loving the game at the moment. Getting destroyed by big clans, but we never give up, that's the cool part, we recruit players, form a community and soon enough hopefully we can fight against biggest clans on the server. Thank you for taking a more nicer approach with the game.
Coming over from wow season of discovery and lifelong wow private server player, game has been refreshing and I find the p2w refreshing and not as bad as wow at all
Map what was Q onto your left mouse button, and what was E onto your right mouse button and try again. Also change other mappings to suit your normals. I also turned off nameplates (except for what I was targeting). I've loved the story so far (played about 25 hours for 25 levels) and done most of the exploring quests also, which sometimes open up some nice features. Happy to have this game in my rotation. (stopped watching your video at 15:00 as I don't want endgame spoilt)
@@xxxzzz5406 What garbage have you been playing to make you think that way? I hate to bring WoW up as a example, but even there the party finder takes 10 minutes at most if you are unlucky. People quit because the matchmaking is ass, have to rely on a massively gatekept party board, and/or stare into space while sitting in a party with 4 DPS waiting for a healer / tank that never joins. Why would a 1800 GS tank join a 2100 GS party when they get accepted by 2400+ parties anyway, but i guess i just don't understand MMO's
playing it rn, think itll be fun for a while but nothing longterm with the combat (honestly we got spoiled with NW). ultimately im gonna look forward towards, Crono Odyssey, Archage Chronicles, Soulframe and AoC one of those hopefully is gonna scratch that MMO itch
Same, good for the waiting time for these games, then we will find out. I don't realy expect anything from NC Soft. They already outdone themselfes with this game. But they still can't leave their "P2W RNG" DNA behind...
I feel it needs more fun content, the end game loop is a chore. Do your daily dungeons, contracts and then the awful open world dungeons. I'm still having fun but at this point but I can feel I'll get bored of it soon
I tried really hard to like this, but after 63 hours I've come to the conclusion that good graphics can't wipe away the horrible combat that is tab targeting.
Ok, this was your first ever review of this game done on fair way. Great job! I agree with you on most points but like you said on the end reviews are subjective. Same way you feel about Throne and Liberty I feel about New World. I have play NW even before release, didnt like it, I have play it after release, didnt like it again and uninstall the game after few days of playing. Not because of bugs or because AG have release the game one year to early, it was just because I didnt like the game. Same way you dont like TL , I dont like NW and that is fine. Its doesnt mean its a bad or good game, its just not for certain taste. Good review!
@@SocietyOfGaming For me this was my first ever review, the rest were supposed to be opinions, but I learned that people expected both sides, so will always present both sides going forward even in non reviews. I would have preferred to like the game but it's just not for me sadly. Much love, thank you
If you can buy something with real cash from the game shop directly effect your level skills stats etc it is pay to win. And pay to win (ptw) is not something like gray area. It is 0 or 1 not 0,5. If the game open that gate once it will never closes. And why ptw games are rubbish? I'll give you an example. Alts. In MMO how many alts you have, you are golden. And if you level up your alts faster by ptw they start working as herb/alchemist miner/blacksmith miner/jem cutter etc. And that gap could be alot more with casual players. This why WoW is ptw too.
it looks really good. so did blade and soul. that doesn't mean its any good. no player trading is insane and is going to kill the game. its just a cash grab.
@@TheRedStateBlue No player trading in BDO and it didn't kill the game. I guess there are some who are not interested in this type of games, but it isn't a bad thing. Would be even better if it had no farmable and tradeable currency like lucent, because this is one of the main reasons why there are so many bots in the game.
Nah New World takes that by Default throne is actually pretty fun first time in a while I’ve seen a New MMO release that isn’t trying to pander to solo players.
And this is why it's going to die. Group content is a dying concept in mmos. People aren't as hard-core as they used to be, and majority of players are casuals, most of which will never even get 1 player kill. It's a dead game, yall just coping.
@@BoredAndBrowsing group content is only a dying concept to degenerates that play MMOS to play alone lol. Dead games don’t sit in top 100 steam charts. Where has New World been? 3rd release and somehow they still haven’t gotten a player base 😭
For me its not a letdown, I knew they never get the Combat right. It was so bad remaking it was only option, not this patched up version. A game with bad combat is hard to like cause u never really get past that.
Thanks to Jay for a good video. But I would like to give a small comment on a topic that is boring to everyone. Perhaps you will find my view on this to be more suitable to your worldview. I think that Throne and Liberty's Lucent system in the game is more honest than other games. You can cite lobbying as an example. Almost all countries have corruption, but in a small number of them it is institutionalized and relatively transparent. The same is true here, in the MMO genre it is impossible to get rid of P2W. In the New World you can buy gold from a third-party site, and craft or buy any equipment. In WoW you can go to a GDKP raid, or hire a driver, and so on. If you remove the social function from an MMO, you can get rid of the mechanics that open the way for players who want to quickly and easily become stronger, but then it will be little like an MMO. In TnL, everyone has transparent access to the P2W mechanics: people who are ready to invest money - transfer their resource to those, who are not ready for it. The strongest, or more like the biggest alliance, then receive cashback in the form of payments for sieges. But the main thing is that there is no division between people who are ready to break the rules and become stronger by any means, as they do in all other MMOs, and those who fundamentally do not want to play unfairly (or just scared to be caught). It's still P2W though, i want to emphasize it. And if you feel like institutionalizing P2W is worse than having it in a grey zone - that's fair, i just feel the other way. And as the last closing word, i want to say, that the biggest plus for me, in this game, are developers, who mostly listen to community (nerf the bloody tanks) and did a lot of work on the errors for the last year. That's what makes me thing that the game will bloom in the future, rather than rot.
Its best kind of paytowin....other games have cash black market, here its the monetization that keep the game alive...you can buy only things other players put for sale. Just dont sale epic gear outside of guild and whales cant buy anything. If only pay to win in thrones and liberty is auction im ok with it. One item sold to whale and i can buy battle pass for a year....win-win. plus some ppl in my guild getting close zo whales in terma of equipment so if you pay you save little bit o frind, but its really not that hard. (Im not in big strong guild, maybe 40membera now and we are casual player)but as you said...try it...its for you or its not. I see some of lineage 2 in it so i love it becouse i grew up on lineage. :-)
Yeah I played private l2 servers for many years and enjoyed it. Farmed a lot on my dark avenger and orc destroyer. I actually really enjoy combat and my rotation as a sns / wand warrior. The combat animations are very good, build customisation options give me opportunity to theory craft. The world is well made and most systems well thought out to hinder bots and tryhards.
I cannot recommend this game. This game is only playable if you have an active guild / group of friends (that cover all roles, DPS tank healer) that are willing to form dungeon parties with you after you hit level 50. Matchmaking is broken, thus one has to join parties through the Party Board, which is either gate kept or swarming with DPS and no healers / tanks. The reality is that 75% of time you are sitting in front of the party board trying to get into parties. I've managed to get 1 party through the matchmaking after 59 minute queue. So far i've not managed to get into a single dungeon through the party board, always missing a tank / healer. Once you inspect the party board you will notice it's full with parties consisting 5/6 or 4/6 players, meaning they all lack the same roles: Healer, Tank. The parties that ARE consistently running dungeons are already geared (2400+) and gatekeep the rest of the players (because why would they run a 20 minute dungeon of they can do it in 10). I guess i will just do contracts until i get burned out from that and quit the game. If gearing my character means having to sit 2-3 hours interacting with the party board every day to get a single party i think this game is just not for me. I can only conclude the exact same thing is going to happen as what happened in Lost Ark, people selling 'busses' for real money (Real money currency in game), in essence boss carries, to get your materials for crafting gear.
I'm getting tired of this game. Up to 50 lvl it was amazing but endgame besides contracts is annoying. Dungeons are easy but there are tons of people who don't understand mechanics and you end up wasting a lot of time to finish 3 daily. Open dungeons are joke. No instances just 1 big map with people fighting over every single mob is terrible design. I don't want to even try to burn my 20k abyss tokens anymore. It takes too much time. Also I can't even sell items I drop. I have to extract them with many mats I have to grind. Stupid as fuck.
The game failed in its own country KOREA the country of gamers that loves PAY TO WIN , people on global are enjoying the honeymoon phase lol.. hit 50 and get back to us. Even the ones that stick through it at 50, unless you play the game like a second job or swipe ur card religiously good luck when they release tier 2 gear and runes xD yall are in for a rude awakening trying to cope.
I am resonating so much with your opinion on T&L. Love the graphics large scale combat performance and optimizations, Dislike massively the combat system, P2W aspect and the fact u must be part of a massive guild to get the best gear
Nice change from New World. Nice systems that make me think a bit. Nice graphics, combat feels ok to me now but took a few hours. Good cross server play. Free to play or spend money if you want. I don't have all the time to grind
@@brimstonevalar6053 yes bro ppl will teach you how to do the dungeons. But there are also groups that don’t want to waste time teaching you when there are videos of each dungeon you can find on TH-cam that can teach all the mechanics you need to know less than three minutes
Slowing down while attacking is idk, more realistic? You want to zip around like the flash where attacking doesn't slow you down at all looks really dumb to me.
@australienski6687 I'm not talking about full realism. I'm just saying side and back movement should be slowed a bit, especially when doing something that requires concentration. I'm just asking for a little bit of physics so that it doesn't look so cartoony.
tl was built from the ground up to be a mobile auto play game they did a good job rehabing the game to what it is but the shit frame work is still there ! and tbh it will stop the game from every being what it could have been. a true next gen MMO. played in the beta test game looks lovely but gameplay feels shit !
Anyone else has issues with the game beeing a bit ... grainy/pixelated? Played it a bit a few days ago at 1080p with everything maxed, aside from frame generation, chromatic aberration, film grain Playing it on 6800xt and I think it's either an amd issue or a 1080p issue.
1080p is blurry, time to upgrade to 1440p. Believe me it's a game changer and totally worth it. It's not that much more demanding, your GPU could handle it easy.
This is at least the 5th person ive heard talk about how clunky and bad the combat and movement feels, so for as beautiful as the game looks, it's just a deal breaker for me...i might have been able to deal with the obnoxious gear progression system (tho I would've bitched about it the whole time) if people had said the combat felt amazing...but over and over again i hear how bad it is so I'm just frankly not even going to bother...this is just another in a long line of videos confirming that this game has nothing for me...
Im enjoying it so far. Feels great and new. There are a bit so many systems and currencies in my opinion but apparently that’s a Korean mmo thing. I’m still more into new world I think though. Can’t say why. I just enjoy it more.
With almost 100 hours played, I’ll say if you’re not a sweaty PvP lord, then just look at it casually. You can dip in and do a couple of hours of dailys, then dip out. Since the grind is real and can be looked at like a job, then don’t work at it like a job. Have fun your way, then bounce. I’ll split my time between this and NW:A when it launches for a few weeks to see how it all shakes out.
Then what's the point of the pve loop? If you aren't there to pvp, there's literally no point to do any pve, which do not matter if pvp isn't your end goal. Higher cp for what? Tell me, what's the point? Fun? That's laughable at best in a Korean mmo.
I think they're biggest problem is the combat. it wants to look like an ARPG, but the tab targeting just makes the flow feels so bad. like there's a lot of skills that definitely should be AOE or continue to the next target, but it doesn't (greatsword)
Pro-tip: never spend money on MMO early accesses. They always release new servers at launch anyway, so it's not like you need it for some kind of head start, and it's not like anyone will have a special head start if you play on a new realm. The game is below mid imo. The jenk and lack of polish is stark. Also, the minimum attack range for melee attacks is obnoxiously small.
Action camera feels just right for me. Gives me that WvW feel from gw2 and the new world camera smoothness during PvP. I cannot imagine doing PvP while left clicking and holding mouse to turn. In terms of the clunkiness I still don’t get it, the skill animations look dope and the skill queue is smooth. The character turn and movement is snappy and dodges are instant and reactive. The loot distribution and loot rewards are the weakest point in my opinion. Very dissatisfying.
I mean no matter what mmorpg comes out,mmo players have that mentality to constant grind and grind and totally skip out the fact that its a game,which technically leads to developers having no choice.Gw2 decided to not care about pvp but it has LITERALLY no gear progression so it seems pointless,but whenever there is gear progression,people tend to maximize their time in the game doin chores(or payin)to be ahead of thr others.Gatekeeping is the actual issue of mmos.I mean its ok to be competitive but hey dont be a dick about it.Throne was out 1 week and ppl were already gatekeeping newbies damn.There will never be real immersion with these type of dudes.However korean developers capitalize on that toxicity which is fair business ,but a bit hopeless for us
No, it's not a let down - because it's exactly what everyone should have expected. a p2w grindan K-MMO cash grab that is unforgiving, has terrible systems, and remarkably low polish. The movement, the minimum attack range for melee, all of it is just...weird feeling. The morph to sprint, it's just weird. It's a turd, it will stay a turd. There was another game just like this that came out last year, that shut down in a few weeks after launching. Can't even remember the name. Anyway, the whole "weapons are classes" thing is played out and terrible, no class fantasy is boring in MMOs. The game feels like a mishmash of new world and BDO. With the annoying helper character that constantly annoys you. The whole shapeshifting thing could have been cool if it wasn't so jenky. There's a lot that could be cool about this game if it wasn't so jenky. The p2w will be the death knell though.
im a free to play player with +9 purple set with almost max traits. game is not really paytowin. maybe for first 30 days after that everyone who understands the game will have caught up
@@King_of_Sofa this Game compared to eso or GW 2 with pve lore contet is a joke this is not even standart for 2024 to be so cheap flat baren grneric like made by ai this Game lose 2/3 of Players already in the first week there is nothing to do beside grinding same dungeon and Waiting for 3 Events all day overtaken by zergs... Storyteling with story its so cringe that is not posibble to not skip cuz uf that u don't even fell conected to this World this mmo is 4/10 for me is one of the worst that i play in last 3 yrs
@@pawelunikow1563 Your concerns are completely valid. But I'm simply having more fun with this game than those other one's you mentioned, so I don't know what to tell you
In in a top 20 guild on conquest server with every player being F2P, it’s easy game when you’re actually good at gaming. Stop crying about pay to win when you won’t ever see it 😂😂😂😂
NEW world just made aim lock changes, they heard us.. lets see if is gona be good and even if is not, they show us they can try to go in a fair diraction
@@BoredAndBrowsing I’m not sure what you’re playing but I assure you mine are not. This could be why so many people do poorly they just hit what lights up
Tried it, makes me appreciate New World all the more. Agree with the visuals, but why does every weapon look like a magical weapon, all sparkly. The game chat, quest windows are too small, any window print is too small, the map is too small difficult to find things like the shrines. A more contrast in colors between quests. Ya too complex, windows with sub windows after sub windows. Think ya nailed it Jay.
Too complex :) How sweet. So you don't like it. Jay doesn't like it because it is too complex for him too. The problem is that he is making inaccurate and false statements because he doesn't like it. Not because it is bad. People should understand that good/bad isn't the same what you like or dislike. You can hate chocolate, it won't make it bad..
@@moo8698 Saying a game is bad or good is obviously a subjective matter, and is indelibly linked to like/dislike. So why are your panties are in a knot? It sounds like you want to fight because you think the game is good. Go ahead and play it, that you think it's good means you like it. Are you part of the hArDcOrE gAmEr hoarde who is incredibly upset when someone likes a game you don't like, or vise versa? If someone says a game is bad, so what? That is their opinion. Sod off.
they fucked the wasd movement because of mobile centric development mid way thats why this game will not be amazingly popular, just a niche. They just had to copy gw2, they only did it half way and this is the result. The jumps, and the fun of movement is just not there.
I dont like the movement and combat animations either. And the whole gameplay to be honest. I feel the same way as you said its hard to explain why but its feels OFF. The lvl of pay2win maybe could be acceptable if i could enjoy the grind and the overal gameplay wich is needed whiteout RMT, but i dont. Its just not smooth, i think its because of the early mechanics, the whole animation kit was made for the autoplay, and its just too fundamental to fix.
Comparing to New World, Throne and Liberty is better. If there is a letdown mmorpg, New World is one of the main one within 2024. New World does not have any real content for years, no real fixes, 15th of October - play with console tab-target players. New World is RMT - zerg domination by a few to dominate the all contents for years to hold the same fortress etc etc tons of problems. Majority of the things in this video complained about T&L, New World has the same and worst problems. New World active server population prove it. It is really hard to satisfy anyone really, only complains.
Yet it has 12 dungeons to the 5 dungeons for throne and liberty, More pvp modes as well. Its so weird the narrative that throne has more content when it objectively does not. The map is way bigger in new world etc. The thing throne and liberty does is it creates a rarer chance to drop items in dungeons so you have to play the same dungeon over and over and over. But that isnt more content that is the same content.
I’m loving it and over time getting more impressed with it. Some of these open world dungeons are massive and no loading screens. It’s fairly easy to group up with people. The main story quest cinematics were great but after you hit max level there are no more and it feels like the story takes a back seat. The continuing storylines in WoW via quest texts does make the world feel more alive in a way so that’s my main criticism of T&L.
The game failed in its own country, you’re enjoying the honeymoon phase lol.. hit 50 and get back to us. Even the ones that stick through it at 50, unless you play the game like a second job or swipe ur card religiously good luck when they release tier 2 gear and runes xD yall are in for a rude awakening trying to cope.
Yes it was. Boring as hell once you get to 50 - just the same grind for gear sets as other games. Its fun until about 80 hours - then i quit and went back to NW.
yeah, tbh for solo players and people that aren't in competitive guilds there is not much to do at max level. For me for example we got daily zvzs and content. It doesn't have enough to maintain casual players/ solo players.
I think people just love to complain and whine. This has been THE BEST launch out of any mmo ever. Smooth servers for the most part, EXTREME amount of content to do, and you can earn the in game currency. I just got the battle pass and havent spent a dime. People will sleep on this. hell even the dungeons are really fun with great mechanics, the world events are varied and are tons of fun especially the pvp ones. This game has everything. Oh and if you dont want any of that you got cooking fishing, gathering, and crafting. My god people just love to wine and cant appreciate when good work is done
It depends. It can never be better for me because the combat is just plain boring and is not my cup of tea! For that it can never be better. And having hard boss mechanics is not a metric for me.. Fun is one though 5
There are a lot of artifacts from the original combat design, and it becomes plain to see after level 50. The grind is too grindy compared other mmo's because you're forced to farm and farm and farm things. I personally hate dailies. I just want to play the game, run some dungeons, do some pvp and should be rewarded for interacting with my fellow players which forms community and ultimately keeps people playing. The P2W is extreme that's for sure, but there are guilds demanding you spend 200 a week and never miss an event and those same guilds are running around with 3000+ power rating and dominating all the events denying people the ability to upgrade their gear and maintaining their dominance. PVP like in New World has a toxic trait and will drive players off. I think with Talandre being released there's enough PVE for solely PVE folks, but if I'm comparing to NW, WoW, and GW2 the power increments are so many and so spread out you will never notice the power increase. In wow you have unlocking your tier sets, in NW you have gaining that artifact weapon you needed to make your build shine, in GW2 those legendaries make switching spec's so much easier and while it's a slight power increase nobody can argue the QOL aspect, and they're unlocked across all your characters. Tanking is atrocious. Whoever thought a 3m taunt radius and such low aggro that you spend time chasing mobs needs a lesson in how tanks should function. They're supposed to be soaking the majority of the damage, not being squishy and one shot if they pull too much of the room. Targeting in pvp is also piss poor. Player enter the area and there's no targeting option for them until they attack one or you run up to them and manually hit them.. WTF is that about? Also compared to GW2, in zerg vs. zerg battles the individual in GW2 has more agency in the fight than in TL. You're just a number and once you get CC'd it's pretty much over because they can stunlock people and just burn them down. With so many activities nobody is really doing multiplayer content to the point it takes 30 min to a hour to get one pug together in dungeon finder. They need to lower contract amounts and raise the rewards so people can go do other things like dungeons. Like others have said, back to NW/WoW for me.
Really good video. Ive chosen to leave it as its just not for me. I enjoyed leveling but I find it crazy toxic and actually souless oveal 😢 OH WELL. NW this week!😊
Pay to win where people who shell out real world money have an advantage over those who don't makes any game a "no-go" for me. Lost Ark was fun as well until it became so difficult to improve your gear that that cash shop was more enticing every failed upgrade
@@Yami69 It's STILL pay to win. You can get ahead faster by pulling out your wallet. It's very much the same in that aspect. It's a No GO game when someone with a big wallet has an advantage over those that don't or aren't willing ot keep shelling out real world money to keep up. Why do you think it's free to play? Because people will be pulling out their wallet to pay to get ahead of others.
If TL is underwhelming then NW must be dead? Kinda tired watching NW players bash TL when its far ahead of NW in terms of being an MMO with somewhat of an endgame. Guess what, its an MMO meant to be played and grinded.
guys a piece of advice don't listen to this nugget when it comes to TL he didn't play enough to even say his opinion. The game has issues but it's awesome full of content and you won't get bored easily I respect his opinion but he didn't play enough to criticize the game!.
@@hazemsalama164 what? I've played loads... Easily 100 hours.... If the game only gets good much later then it's tough. Also if you can't argue the points then the points stand
Lmao the best piece of advice is to not listen to your overdosed copium take on T&L. Yea bro game is so great man its already infested with bots and top alliance running monopoly on most servers. No amount of copium can deny the fact that T&L failed hard in Korea and the exact same problems over there are starting to show in NA.
Not really. Even if you buy gear you need to level it up and level its traits so you do need to farm. Also, the cash currency it’s pretty easy to farm so most of us aren’t even spending real money
Stop crying about p2w, there's nothing to win. If u put money or not in the game u still can have a blast. It's the most fun ive had in years doing dungeons with friends
@@jayoddity what rewards u get from pvp? The world bosses u can do them in peace (the large guilds dont even get the drop cuz they do the peace boss first), at night in open world dungeons theres no difference, stones yes and thats about it
@@jayoddity it’s so easy to farm lucent that gets to the point it’s not even worth putting real money on it, the only thing I’ve bought so far was a skin. Got battle pass and dyes with lucent I’ve farmed playing the game, doing dungeons. Also, nw pvp players, specially the war loggers, buys their whole gear with irl money, they just buy gold. So I’d say nw is even more p2w than TL
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I am enjoying throne and liberty, Most fun I've had playing games in a while.
Agreed !
It's been a pleasant surprise. Had low expectations with it being linked with Amazon games and what they did or lack there of with New World. Having a great time
So u don't play a lo if u call it fun 😂
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@@sensibility1174 I am at 300 hours and getting ready for a castle siege. Almost have a geared character. This game is so good.
the day jay plays a game he enjoys will be the day we will achieve world peace
One day
In my opinion, the character size in Throne and Liberty is perfect. To truly capture an epic setting, the player should feel small in comparison to the world around them; otherwise, the sense of grandeur is lost. In contrast, towns in games like New World often feel more like theme parks than real, immersive towns. Throne and Liberty excels in its world design, which is stunningly beautiful and filled with things to discover. However, what breaks the experience for me is the treadmill progression system. The constant need to level up gear, weapons, skills, and more-heavily dependent on items and resources-makes the game feel more like a chore than an adventure. Instead of immersing yourself in the world and enjoying the gameplay, it starts to feel like a job. There are people who enjoy this kind of progression but it is not my cup of tea.
Well said sir about the world building of this game. I thought its just me. Thinking that NW world and characters are a bit odd, certainly also with western mmorpg. I guess eastern mmo are more inclined in world building to its realism the proportion of elements the nature the ecosystem seem like incontext and compliment each element . While in NW and other western mmo its far from realism and it break the immersion like some rock formation how are they form the bushes the grass it seems that it just put out there and layered badly but it just for me in my opinion.
I completely agree. The gorgeous scenery isn't worth the headache of a grind that the gameplay loop is, after you're done with the main story.
@@brianjansik4178 unless you're in the top 5 guilds you don't need to force yourself to get to BiS in 2 weeks, "grind" when u feel like it, dungeons and all will get easier the more ppl have better gs, making all of it faster aswell just as open world farming.
That said if someone doesn't enjoy this loop then it's best to move on, for now I REALLY enjoy it despite barely getting anything out of it
It's like an old-school MMO with modern graphics! It's not perfect, but in my friend group, it's brought back a bunch of people to play, including some who haven't played video games in years.
@Jay Oddity Told you to trust. Started the game, I am the leader of a 35 players guild, with my friends, having fun and loving the game at the moment. Getting destroyed by big clans, but we never give up, that's the cool part, we recruit players, form a community and soon enough hopefully we can fight against biggest clans on the server. Thank you for taking a more nicer approach with the game.
Coming over from wow season of discovery and lifelong wow private server player, game has been refreshing and I find the p2w refreshing and not as bad as wow at all
Map what was Q onto your left mouse button, and what was E onto your right mouse button and try again.
Also change other mappings to suit your normals.
I also turned off nameplates (except for what I was targeting).
I've loved the story so far (played about 25 hours for 25 levels) and done most of the exploring quests also, which sometimes open up some nice features.
Happy to have this game in my rotation.
(stopped watching your video at 15:00 as I don't want endgame spoilt)
I got to level 50 and lost the will to play.
Need to join a active guild if you haven’t
@@xxxzzz5406 yea i did same, got 50 and got bore. face xxxzzz TnL is a fail
Same lost the interest to play when I found out how hard it is to try other builds.
@@ItsJustFabo I am in a guild they werent intrested in people who just capped.
@@xxxzzz5406 What garbage have you been playing to make you think that way? I hate to bring WoW up as a example, but even there the party finder takes 10 minutes at most if you are unlucky.
People quit because the matchmaking is ass, have to rely on a massively gatekept party board, and/or stare into space while sitting in a party with 4 DPS waiting for a healer / tank that never joins.
Why would a 1800 GS tank join a 2100 GS party when they get accepted by 2400+ parties anyway, but i guess i just don't understand MMO's
playing it rn, think itll be fun for a while but nothing longterm with the combat (honestly we got spoiled with NW). ultimately im gonna look forward towards, Crono Odyssey, Archage Chronicles, Soulframe and AoC one of those hopefully is gonna scratch that MMO itch
AoC isn't annoying combat wise
Same, good for the waiting time for these games, then we will find out. I don't realy expect anything from NC Soft. They already outdone themselfes with this game. But they still can't leave their "P2W RNG" DNA behind...
I feel it needs more fun content, the end game loop is a chore. Do your daily dungeons, contracts and then the awful open world dungeons. I'm still having fun but at this point but I can feel I'll get bored of it soon
I tried really hard to like this, but after 63 hours I've come to the conclusion that good graphics can't wipe away the horrible combat that is tab targeting.
Ok, this was your first ever review of this game done on fair way. Great job! I agree with you on most points but like you said on the end reviews are subjective. Same way you feel about Throne and Liberty I feel about New World. I have play NW even before release, didnt like it, I have play it after release, didnt like it again and uninstall the game after few days of playing. Not because of bugs or because AG have release the game one year to early, it was just because I didnt like the game. Same way you dont like TL , I dont like NW and that is fine. Its doesnt mean its a bad or good game, its just not for certain taste. Good review!
@@SocietyOfGaming For me this was my first ever review, the rest were supposed to be opinions, but I learned that people expected both sides, so will always present both sides going forward even in non reviews.
I would have preferred to like the game but it's just not for me sadly. Much love, thank you
@@jayoddity , you are welcome! I hope to see more reviews like this one in the future.
If you can buy something with real cash from the game shop directly effect your level skills stats etc it is pay to win. And pay to win (ptw) is not something like gray area. It is 0 or 1 not 0,5. If the game open that gate once it will never closes. And why ptw games are rubbish? I'll give you an example. Alts. In MMO how many alts you have, you are golden. And if you level up your alts faster by ptw they start working as herb/alchemist miner/blacksmith miner/jem cutter etc. And that gap could be alot more with casual players. This why WoW is ptw too.
Love the game it needs a bit more work but its beautiful and amazing
:D:D:D
it looks really good. so did blade and soul.
that doesn't mean its any good. no player trading is insane and is going to kill the game.
its just a cash grab.
@@TheRedStateBlue The dude is enjoying the game for what it is. Don't try to take that away from him.
@@TheRedStateBlue No player trading in BDO and it didn't kill the game. I guess there are some who are not interested in this type of games, but it isn't a bad thing. Would be even better if it had no farmable and tradeable currency like lucent, because this is one of the main reasons why there are so many bots in the game.
Nah New World takes that by Default throne is actually pretty fun first time in a while I’ve seen a New MMO release that isn’t trying to pander to solo players.
Have fun breaking the bank to keep up.
And this is why it's going to die. Group content is a dying concept in mmos. People aren't as hard-core as they used to be, and majority of players are casuals, most of which will never even get 1 player kill. It's a dead game, yall just coping.
@@BoredAndBrowsing group content is only a dying concept to degenerates that play MMOS to play alone lol. Dead games don’t sit in top 100 steam charts. Where has New World been? 3rd release and somehow they still haven’t gotten a player base 😭
@@TheNewCoalition 3089 GS with 150$ bucks on the game. Guess I’m built different.🤷🏾♂️
@@KINGxINISIDIOUS spending 150 bucks on a video game to get gear in the said game is not brag you think it is lol
For me its not a letdown, I knew they never get the Combat right. It was so bad remaking it was only option, not this patched up version. A game with bad combat is hard to like cause u never really get past that.
ESO has terrible floaty combat that I could never get used to but many loved it, this is far better for me
What is your ign rating tho?
Thanks to Jay for a good video. But I would like to give a small comment on a topic that is boring to everyone. Perhaps you will find my view on this to be more suitable to your worldview.
I think that Throne and Liberty's Lucent system in the game is more honest than other games. You can cite lobbying as an example. Almost all countries have corruption, but in a small number of them it is institutionalized and relatively transparent. The same is true here, in the MMO genre it is impossible to get rid of P2W. In the New World you can buy gold from a third-party site, and craft or buy any equipment. In WoW you can go to a GDKP raid, or hire a driver, and so on. If you remove the social function from an MMO, you can get rid of the mechanics that open the way for players who want to quickly and easily become stronger, but then it will be little like an MMO.
In TnL, everyone has transparent access to the P2W mechanics: people who are ready to invest money - transfer their resource to those, who are not ready for it. The strongest, or more like the biggest alliance, then receive cashback in the form of payments for sieges. But the main thing is that there is no division between people who are ready to break the rules and become stronger by any means, as they do in all other MMOs, and those who fundamentally do not want to play unfairly (or just scared to be caught).
It's still P2W though, i want to emphasize it. And if you feel like institutionalizing P2W is worse than having it in a grey zone - that's fair, i just feel the other way.
And as the last closing word, i want to say, that the biggest plus for me, in this game, are developers, who mostly listen to community (nerf the bloody tanks) and did a lot of work on the errors for the last year. That's what makes me thing that the game will bloom in the future, rather than rot.
Its best kind of paytowin....other games have cash black market, here its the monetization that keep the game alive...you can buy only things other players put for sale. Just dont sale epic gear outside of guild and whales cant buy anything. If only pay to win in thrones and liberty is auction im ok with it. One item sold to whale and i can buy battle pass for a year....win-win. plus some ppl in my guild getting close zo whales in terma of equipment so if you pay you save little bit o frind, but its really not that hard. (Im not in big strong guild, maybe 40membera now and we are casual player)but as you said...try it...its for you or its not. I see some of lineage 2 in it so i love it becouse i grew up on lineage. :-)
Yeah I played private l2 servers for many years and enjoyed it.
Farmed a lot on my dark avenger and orc destroyer.
I actually really enjoy combat and my rotation as a sns / wand warrior.
The combat animations are very good, build customisation options give me opportunity to theory craft.
The world is well made and most systems well thought out to hinder bots and tryhards.
I cannot recommend this game. This game is only playable if you have an active guild / group of friends (that cover all roles, DPS tank healer) that are willing to form dungeon parties with you after you hit level 50.
Matchmaking is broken, thus one has to join parties through the Party Board, which is either gate kept or swarming with DPS and no healers / tanks.
The reality is that 75% of time you are sitting in front of the party board trying to get into parties. I've managed to get 1 party through the matchmaking after 59 minute queue. So far i've not managed to get into a single dungeon through the party board, always missing a tank / healer. Once you inspect the party board you will notice it's full with parties consisting 5/6 or 4/6 players, meaning they all lack the same roles: Healer, Tank.
The parties that ARE consistently running dungeons are already geared (2400+) and gatekeep the rest of the players (because why would they run a 20 minute dungeon of they can do it in 10).
I guess i will just do contracts until i get burned out from that and quit the game. If gearing my character means having to sit 2-3 hours interacting with the party board every day to get a single party i think this game is just not for me.
I can only conclude the exact same thing is going to happen as what happened in Lost Ark, people selling 'busses' for real money (Real money currency in game), in essence boss carries, to get your materials for crafting gear.
I'm getting tired of this game. Up to 50 lvl it was amazing but endgame besides contracts is annoying. Dungeons are easy but there are tons of people who don't understand mechanics and you end up wasting a lot of time to finish 3 daily. Open dungeons are joke. No instances just 1 big map with people fighting over every single mob is terrible design. I don't want to even try to burn my 20k abyss tokens anymore. It takes too much time. Also I can't even sell items I drop. I have to extract them with many mats I have to grind. Stupid as fuck.
Having so much fun on it and it’s has 240,000 players on stream
same as new world release player count means nothing for the first month or so
it'll be down to about 10-20k in a few months. its just another shitty NCSoft game and a cash grab of epic proportions.
The bots increased it by a lot. It was trending down then bots came in and it jumped back up. Hard to say what the real numbers are.
The game failed in its own country KOREA the country of gamers that loves PAY TO WIN , people on global are enjoying the honeymoon phase lol.. hit 50 and get back to us. Even the ones that stick through it at 50, unless you play the game like a second job or swipe ur card religiously good luck when they release tier 2 gear and runes xD yall are in for a rude awakening trying to cope.
The early access players can and did transfer to the newer servers, this is why the 30 day cooldown has been added.
I am resonating so much with your opinion on T&L. Love the graphics large scale combat performance and optimizations, Dislike massively the combat system, P2W aspect and the fact u must be part of a massive guild to get the best gear
@@andreichiuzbaian147 heh yeah that's me
Can't handle auto att games, for me, it's frustrating.
you can turn it off ;)
Don’t play it then 💁🏾♀️
@saleerian9607 yeah I eventually seen that thanks for the help
I love this game, been playing with 12 online friends and end game dungeons are awesome.
Copy paste low effort grbgdungeons
Nice change from New World. Nice systems that make me think a bit. Nice graphics, combat feels ok to me now but took a few hours. Good cross server play. Free to play or spend money if you want. I don't have all the time to grind
do people actually talk between them or only just "if we wipe I leave" ?
@@brimstonevalar6053 what?
@@brimstonevalar6053 yes bro ppl will teach you how to do the dungeons. But there are also groups that don’t want to waste time teaching you when there are videos of each dungeon you can find on TH-cam that can teach all the mechanics you need to know less than three minutes
@@jayodditywipe and leave. Yes.
Slowing down while attacking is idk, more realistic? You want to zip around like the flash where attacking doesn't slow you down at all looks really dumb to me.
Sure, I just think it might add to the feeling
We are shooting magic fireballs from our hands, realism has no place here, make the game fun.
@australienski6687 I'm not talking about full realism. I'm just saying side and back movement should be slowed a bit, especially when doing something that requires concentration. I'm just asking for a little bit of physics so that it doesn't look so cartoony.
tl was built from the ground up to be a mobile auto play game they did a good job rehabing the game to what it is but the shit frame work is still there ! and tbh it will stop the game from every being what it could have been. a true next gen MMO. played in the beta test game looks lovely but gameplay feels shit !
Anyone else has issues with the game beeing a bit ... grainy/pixelated?
Played it a bit a few days ago at 1080p with everything maxed, aside from frame generation, chromatic aberration, film grain
Playing it on 6800xt and I think it's either an amd issue or a 1080p issue.
1080p is blurry, time to upgrade to 1440p. Believe me it's a game changer and totally worth it. It's not that much more demanding, your GPU could handle it easy.
Is Throne and Liberty 2024's BIGGEST MMO LETDOWN ? hell no.
HELL YES
What other mmo came out in 2024?
@@DblTapSlapMcGapOnce Human, First Descendant
This is at least the 5th person ive heard talk about how clunky and bad the combat and movement feels, so for as beautiful as the game looks, it's just a deal breaker for me...i might have been able to deal with the obnoxious gear progression system (tho I would've bitched about it the whole time) if people had said the combat felt amazing...but over and over again i hear how bad it is so I'm just frankly not even going to bother...this is just another in a long line of videos confirming that this game has nothing for me...
I found the combat and movement good once you get use to it. its different but not bad once you learn it properly.
2008? more like 1999. Been doing this tab target mmo combat stuff since EverQuest. Gotten so sick of it at this point.
I dont know how it still exists
@@DblTapSlapMcGap right like please just do something different Christ
Im enjoying it so far. Feels great and new.
There are a bit so many systems and currencies in my opinion but apparently that’s a Korean mmo thing.
I’m still more into new world I think though. Can’t say why. I just enjoy it more.
Combat is clunky is crazy 😂 i played eso for 9000 hours though so the combat feels amazing to me.
Gear progression in this game looks really bad
With almost 100 hours played, I’ll say if you’re not a sweaty PvP lord, then just look at it casually. You can dip in and do a couple of hours of dailys, then dip out. Since the grind is real and can be looked at like a job, then don’t work at it like a job. Have fun your way, then bounce. I’ll split my time between this and NW:A when it launches for a few weeks to see how it all shakes out.
when does the new world remake come out anyway? lookin forward to tryin that.
Then what's the point of the pve loop? If you aren't there to pvp, there's literally no point to do any pve, which do not matter if pvp isn't your end goal. Higher cp for what? Tell me, what's the point? Fun? That's laughable at best in a Korean mmo.
@@BoredAndBrowsingIt shouldn't need to be stated, but fun is subjective, dude.
GREAT VIDEO! appreciate the itme and depth in a video of this length mate!
I think they're biggest problem is the combat. it wants to look like an ARPG, but the tab targeting just makes the flow feels so bad. like there's a lot of skills that definitely should be AOE or continue to the next target, but it doesn't (greatsword)
I payed the early access but i just dont vibe with it, just seems mid to me
Pro-tip: never spend money on MMO early accesses. They always release new servers at launch anyway, so it's not like you need it for some kind of head start, and it's not like anyone will have a special head start if you play on a new realm. The game is below mid imo. The jenk and lack of polish is stark. Also, the minimum attack range for melee attacks is obnoxiously small.
Yeah, it's ok at best, nothing amazing. Had my fun, but it's seemingly pointless now after reaching 50. Moving onto the next mmo.
Damn... you paid money to test a f2p game. 😂
Action camera feels just right for me. Gives me that WvW feel from gw2 and the new world camera smoothness during PvP. I cannot imagine doing PvP while left clicking and holding mouse to turn. In terms of the clunkiness I still don’t get it, the skill animations look dope and the skill queue is smooth. The character turn and movement is snappy and dodges are instant and reactive. The loot distribution and loot rewards are the weakest point in my opinion. Very dissatisfying.
I mean no matter what mmorpg comes out,mmo players have that mentality to constant grind and grind and totally skip out the fact that its a game,which technically leads to developers having no choice.Gw2 decided to not care about pvp but it has LITERALLY no gear progression so it seems pointless,but whenever there is gear progression,people tend to maximize their time in the game doin chores(or payin)to be ahead of thr others.Gatekeeping is the actual issue of mmos.I mean its ok to be competitive but hey dont be a dick about it.Throne was out 1 week and ppl were already gatekeeping newbies damn.There will never be real immersion with these type of dudes.However korean developers capitalize on that toxicity which is fair business ,but a bit hopeless for us
No, it's not a let down - because it's exactly what everyone should have expected. a p2w grindan K-MMO cash grab that is unforgiving, has terrible systems, and remarkably low polish. The movement, the minimum attack range for melee, all of it is just...weird feeling. The morph to sprint, it's just weird. It's a turd, it will stay a turd. There was another game just like this that came out last year, that shut down in a few weeks after launching. Can't even remember the name. Anyway, the whole "weapons are classes" thing is played out and terrible, no class fantasy is boring in MMOs. The game feels like a mishmash of new world and BDO. With the annoying helper character that constantly annoys you. The whole shapeshifting thing could have been cool if it wasn't so jenky. There's a lot that could be cool about this game if it wasn't so jenky. The p2w will be the death knell though.
im a free to play player with +9 purple set with almost max traits. game is not really paytowin. maybe for first 30 days after that everyone who understands the game will have caught up
It doesn't appeal to me either.
The perfect MMO doesn't exist, but in my humble opinion, this is the best one available right now (at least compared to the other tab target ones)
Best mmo without pve? With so small World that u seeall after one day don't be jokeing😂
@@pawelunikow1563 I'm not joking at all. This game has captivated me in a way that no other MMO has since WoW back in 2010
@@King_of_Sofa this Game compared to eso or GW 2 with pve lore contet is a joke this is not even standart for 2024 to be so cheap flat baren grneric like made by ai this Game lose 2/3 of Players already in the first week there is nothing to do beside grinding same dungeon and Waiting for 3 Events all day overtaken by zergs... Storyteling with story its so cringe that is not posibble to not skip cuz uf that u don't even fell conected to this World this mmo is 4/10 for me is one of the worst that i play in last 3 yrs
@@pawelunikow1563 Your concerns are completely valid. But I'm simply having more fun with this game than those other one's you mentioned, so I don't know what to tell you
did you fall on head?
8:05 let me guess, you are short IRL?
In in a top 20 guild on conquest server with every player being F2P, it’s easy game when you’re actually good at gaming.
Stop crying about pay to win when you won’t ever see it 😂😂😂😂
People can complain about whatever they want. Kindly do one :D
New world is more p2w than TL since pretty much all nw players buy gold 😂
Ooooh a top 20 guild 😂😂😂 You're so cool, here's a 🍪 What a loser.
NEW world just made aim lock changes, they heard us.. lets see if is gona be good and even if is not, they show us they can try to go in a fair diraction
I like it when you make the longer review videos.
Imagine how amazing NW would be if the weapon swapping and having so many moves was just like this. Total game changer
I still unironically prefer NW's minimalistic skill count combat, where strategy comes from managing limited resources.
No. I prefer my minimal skillset and action combat. The TnL skills aren't even strategic, it's literally pressing what comes off cooldown, that's it.
@@BoredAndBrowsing I’m not sure what you’re playing but I assure you mine are not. This could be why so many people do poorly they just hit what lights up
I want elves and dark elves ffs
Tried it, makes me appreciate New World all the more. Agree with the visuals, but why does every weapon look like a magical weapon, all sparkly. The game chat, quest windows are too small, any window print is too small, the map is too small difficult to find things like the shrines. A more contrast in colors between quests. Ya too complex, windows with sub windows after sub windows. Think ya nailed it Jay.
I love the sparkles, I was missing it because new world doesn’t have anything shiny
There's a way to increase UI size in the options.
Too complex :) How sweet. So you don't like it. Jay doesn't like it because it is too complex for him too. The problem is that he is making inaccurate and false statements because he doesn't like it. Not because it is bad. People should understand that good/bad isn't the same what you like or dislike. You can hate chocolate, it won't make it bad..
@@moo8698 Saying a game is bad or good is obviously a subjective matter, and is indelibly linked to like/dislike. So why are your panties are in a knot? It sounds like you want to fight because you think the game is good. Go ahead and play it, that you think it's good means you like it. Are you part of the hArDcOrE gAmEr hoarde who is incredibly upset when someone likes a game you don't like, or vise versa? If someone says a game is bad, so what? That is their opinion. Sod off.
Go in the options and change your UI..
NW OCT 15th ❤🎉
Yeah, I updated the game and logged in to keep my name 😂
they fucked the wasd movement because of mobile centric development mid way thats why this game will not be amazingly popular, just a niche.
They just had to copy gw2, they only did it half way and this is the result.
The jumps, and the fun of movement is just not there.
If you want to see clunky combat just boot up New world melee combat in an expedition or the ultimate horror show, tanking lol.
I dont like the movement and combat animations either. And the whole gameplay to be honest. I feel the same way as you said its hard to explain why but its feels OFF. The lvl of pay2win maybe could be acceptable if i could enjoy the grind and the overal gameplay wich is needed whiteout RMT, but i dont. Its just not smooth, i think its because of the early mechanics, the whole animation kit was made for the autoplay, and its just too fundamental to fix.
completely agree about the combat its clunky even with playing ranged classes
it was ok, but NW is just outside the corner :), and no one beats pvp NW
@@xxxzzz5406 wow, someone is mad, calm down bb, NW with bugs> TnL
Yeah fair its your opinion, and Imma let you finish but Imma go ahead and have the best disagreement of all time.
Like that's totally on you, and I respect it but let me throw it back to you, after I let you finish
To me is 10000 times better than new world will ever be, so I’ll stick to it
@@tayalt2406 nice
It's ok to consume garbage, buts it's not something to be openly proud of.
@@D201-o4kliterally 😭
@@xxxzzz5406 found another raccoon pretending to be a human, go back to eating garbage like every other creature in your bloodline
@@D201-o4k😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Comparing to New World, Throne and Liberty is better. If there is a letdown mmorpg, New World is one of the main one within 2024. New World does not have any real content for years, no real fixes, 15th of October - play with console tab-target players. New World is RMT - zerg domination by a few to dominate the all contents for years to hold the same fortress etc etc tons of problems. Majority of the things in this video complained about T&L, New World has the same and worst problems. New World active server population prove it. It is really hard to satisfy anyone really, only complains.
Yet it has 12 dungeons to the 5 dungeons for throne and liberty, More pvp modes as well. Its so weird the narrative that throne has more content when it objectively does not. The map is way bigger in new world etc. The thing throne and liberty does is it creates a rarer chance to drop items in dungeons so you have to play the same dungeon over and over and over. But that isnt more content that is the same content.
Throne and liberty is awesome. Most fun I've had playing a MMO for years. Maybe MMOs arent your thing after all this time.
I’m loving it and over time getting more impressed with it. Some of these open world dungeons are massive and no loading screens. It’s fairly easy to group up with people. The main story quest cinematics were great but after you hit max level there are no more and it feels like the story takes a back seat. The continuing storylines in WoW via quest texts does make the world feel more alive in a way so that’s my main criticism of T&L.
The game failed in its own country, you’re enjoying the honeymoon phase lol.. hit 50 and get back to us. Even the ones that stick through it at 50, unless you play the game like a second job or swipe ur card religiously good luck when they release tier 2 gear and runes xD yall are in for a rude awakening trying to cope.
Dude hasn't even hit level cap and is already trying to proclaim this game a success. 😂
what is this title? I dont even want to watch the video.. TnL is so good now compared to what it was. and actually a decent mmo
😂😂😂 man, if you think TnL is so good....maybe watching paint dry would be more fun to you.
@@BoredAndBrowsing its true people with low brain cells dont get it
nice graphics, nice music , the rest is just another trash mobile mmorpg , everything clunky , the combat is fun for aoe killing but the game is 1/10
I found the AoE to be too small, all the mobs need to be stacked on top of each other, otherwise you miss them. I played staff and wand.
70×3=240 :O
Isn't it 70 + 3 Alliances. So 70+70+70+70?
@@jayoddity then thats 280 :D
wow
"Worth playing in 2024?" It's not 20 yrs old, it came out 2 months ago [9/26/2024]😂
Click bait 🎉
Yes it was. Boring as hell once you get to 50 - just the same grind for gear sets as other games. Its fun until about 80 hours - then i quit and went back to NW.
Went back to nw to grind gear just like other games 😂
yeah, tbh for solo players and people that aren't in competitive guilds there is not much to do at max level. For me for example we got daily zvzs and content. It doesn't have enough to maintain casual players/ solo players.
tldr its bad
@@neugassh3570 please watch 40 minutes
its good.
I think people just love to complain and whine. This has been THE BEST launch out of any mmo ever. Smooth servers for the most part, EXTREME amount of content to do, and you can earn the in game currency. I just got the battle pass and havent spent a dime. People will sleep on this. hell even the dungeons are really fun with great mechanics, the world events are varied and are tons of fun especially the pvp ones. This game has everything. Oh and if you dont want any of that you got cooking fishing, gathering, and crafting. My god people just love to wine and cant appreciate when good work is done
I-Em
pve is million time better than new world no chest run, real and hard boss mechanics
It depends. It can never be better for me because the combat is just plain boring and is not my cup of tea! For that it can never be better. And having hard boss mechanics is not a metric for me..
Fun is one though 5
Game is fun
Glad you enjoy it
@@jayoddityjust hit 50 so we’ll see 🤞
There are a lot of artifacts from the original combat design, and it becomes plain to see after level 50. The grind is too grindy compared other mmo's because you're forced to farm and farm and farm things. I personally hate dailies. I just want to play the game, run some dungeons, do some pvp and should be rewarded for interacting with my fellow players which forms community and ultimately keeps people playing.
The P2W is extreme that's for sure, but there are guilds demanding you spend 200 a week and never miss an event and those same guilds are running around with 3000+ power rating and dominating all the events denying people the ability to upgrade their gear and maintaining their dominance. PVP like in New World has a toxic trait and will drive players off. I think with Talandre being released there's enough PVE for solely PVE folks, but if I'm comparing to NW, WoW, and GW2 the power increments are so many and so spread out you will never notice the power increase. In wow you have unlocking your tier sets, in NW you have gaining that artifact weapon you needed to make your build shine, in GW2 those legendaries make switching spec's so much easier and while it's a slight power increase nobody can argue the QOL aspect, and they're unlocked across all your characters.
Tanking is atrocious. Whoever thought a 3m taunt radius and such low aggro that you spend time chasing mobs needs a lesson in how tanks should function. They're supposed to be soaking the majority of the damage, not being squishy and one shot if they pull too much of the room.
Targeting in pvp is also piss poor. Player enter the area and there's no targeting option for them until they attack one or you run up to them and manually hit them.. WTF is that about?
Also compared to GW2, in zerg vs. zerg battles the individual in GW2 has more agency in the fight than in TL. You're just a number and once you get CC'd it's pretty much over because they can stunlock people and just burn them down.
With so many activities nobody is really doing multiplayer content to the point it takes 30 min to a hour to get one pug together in dungeon finder. They need to lower contract amounts and raise the rewards so people can go do other things like dungeons.
Like others have said, back to NW/WoW for me.
Seems like a skill issue.. And no. We don't want an other casual sh.t game like NW. We don't wanna have everything on day 1. For real..
First
Very first
Without question. It's pure garbage.
Really good video. Ive chosen to leave it as its just not for me. I enjoyed leveling but I find it crazy toxic and actually souless oveal 😢
OH WELL. NW this week!😊
Pay to win where people who shell out real world money have an advantage over those who don't makes any game a "no-go" for me. Lost Ark was fun as well until it became so difficult to improve your gear that that cash shop was more enticing every failed upgrade
Don't compare with Lost Ark it's not the same
@@Yami69 It's STILL pay to win. You can get ahead faster by pulling out your wallet. It's very much the same in that aspect. It's a No GO game when someone with a big wallet has an advantage over those that don't or aren't willing ot keep shelling out real world money to keep up. Why do you think it's free to play? Because people will be pulling out their wallet to pay to get ahead of others.
nw is p2w with battlepass. get items for casuals that usually take ages alot earlier.
If TL is underwhelming then NW must be dead?
Kinda tired watching NW players bash TL when its far ahead of NW in terms of being an MMO with somewhat of an endgame.
Guess what, its an MMO meant to be played and grinded.
You think it's just New World players bashing TL? You do know that this game FAILED in its home country right?
guys a piece of advice don't listen to this nugget when it comes to TL he didn't play enough to even say his opinion. The game has issues but it's awesome full of content and you won't get bored easily I respect his opinion but he didn't play enough to criticize the game!.
@@hazemsalama164 what? I've played loads... Easily 100 hours.... If the game only gets good much later then it's tough.
Also if you can't argue the points then the points stand
Lmao the best piece of advice is to not listen to your overdosed copium take on T&L. Yea bro game is so great man its already infested with bots and top alliance running monopoly on most servers. No amount of copium can deny the fact that T&L failed hard in Korea and the exact same problems over there are starting to show in NA.
this guy is always miserable
@@laoch5658 Not always
P2W killed the game
Cope
Not really. Even if you buy gear you need to level it up and level its traits so you do need to farm. Also, the cash currency it’s pretty easy to farm so most of us aren’t even spending real money
@@tayalt2406 You can buy traits too.
Oh well 💁🏾♀️
Throne and liberty Developers > New World Developers let’s be honest here…
Not even close.
The game is very deep in every way, so is not for your paid simple mind! Go play WoW TWW, it is game for simple minded people.
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Stop crying about p2w, there's nothing to win. If u put money or not in the game u still can have a blast. It's the most fun ive had in years doing dungeons with friends
It's a PvP game. You win the fight and better rewards
@@jayoddity what rewards u get from pvp? The world bosses u can do them in peace (the large guilds dont even get the drop cuz they do the peace boss first), at night in open world dungeons theres no difference, stones yes and thats about it
@@jayoddity it’s so easy to farm lucent that gets to the point it’s not even worth putting real money on it, the only thing I’ve bought so far was a skin. Got battle pass and dyes with lucent I’ve farmed playing the game, doing dungeons. Also, nw pvp players, specially the war loggers, buys their whole gear with irl money, they just buy gold. So I’d say nw is even more p2w than TL
its always the CSM fanboys with the worst takes🤣 taking out their anger on other people bc their show flopped lmfao
@@sky.island 😂😂😂😅