S90V edge retention testing, Spyderco vs Benchmade part 1. How super is this steel?
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- S90V edge retention testing, Spyderco Military vs Manix vs Benchmade 940-1. Just how super is S90V as a steel?
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As always I appreciate your time and thanks for watching.
So awesome that I ask for more S90V and you show out w/ a 3 way showdown!! (Even though I know this had to have been in the works LONG before my request lol) Thanks again for the great content!!
Thanks for the video. That was so impressive I just ordered one of the Cutlery Shoppe Manix 2's. I am looking forward to getting that one.
Hi Gerald, Thanks for another informative video and all the time you put into them.
Have a great day-- Stay safe!
You're welcome
Anther great video! Thanks again for all the elbow grease! You rock!
You're welcome and thank you
Great vid and thanks for doing s90v!
You're welcome
S90v is definitely a winner. Great job Gerald. Thank you for sharing.
You're welcome
*Outpost 76* Cool !! keep doing
You sir are a machine. Your pug is in disbelief of your cutting abilities.
On the 7th edge! Most people would never find that out in the first place...
Thanks for all the effort and keep up the great work.
Heck yeah, I can't thank him enough to tell people about this. Stainless vanadium carbide (20cv, s30v,s35vn,s90v,s110b, s115v) needs to be shaved down a lot when you get it. You must get a massive massive bur then sharpen it down.
@@greggc.touftree5936 only if they ruined the edge or lets say fatigued the steel with to high grinding temperatures. There are companies ot there which are going for wet sharpening or even hand sharpening for their blades, so the factory edge is top notch out of the box, like for example TRM or Rockstead...
Any theory on why that 940-1 started cutting better so late in life?
nice work!
Thank you
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Wow, you had to dig really deep to uncover the good steel on the Benchmade 940. No wonder your pug looked so troubled.
This is good information to have but not easy to obtain. Thanks for your hard work.
You're welcome and some of these can be a challenge to get to a place where they can be tested.
I know my 940-1 tested at 60.5. I haven't hit the "good" steel yet. It dulls fairly quick which should improve with a few more sharpenings. S90V just seems more user friendly than S110V. I have a few Spydercos that use it. I will have them hardness tested at some point. Thank you for another great test video.
Can't find it on your channel if you have done it before but would love to see you test the spyderco BBB 15v and see your results to back up Pete's testing
Love my 940-1
hey OP76 have you ever tested s125v ? love your channel keep up the great work
I haven't had any yet to test.
S90V is awesome stuff and it's not offered enough in Spyderco’s lineup. It sharpens like a good non-stainless. Lately, I've had a really hard time carrying anything other than my CPM154/S90V Manix. S90V is definitely up there with K390 for me, and I'd be happy if I was stuck with only those 2 options.
Is yours the one with the carbon fiber laminate? If it is I have been eye balling one from bento box shop and I think you help me make up my mind.
@@hooliganAvailyeah, it's full CF with a laminated blade. If you like the Manix and S90V, this one is perfect, and won't disappoint. BBS is where I got mine too, but in a bundle with the K390 PM2 I think. It was about $406 shipped, which makes that PM2 closer to $150 than $200. BBS bundles are the way to go, if you have the funds and can find something you're interested (out of the options they provide).
Agreed i love S90V
Shewww weee I love me some S90V
Lost my s90v military fishing. Miss that kniife. It was a good salt water knife.
After I finish chasing something I'll be picking up another S90V Spydie.
I'm just here for the Pug ☺️❤️🐶
I really like S110V because its composition is quite distinctive, and impressive. It’s so good on paper, but it seems like S90V usually works out a bit better as a knife blade, for most people.
S110V does offer increased corrosion resistance though, (over S90V), and left toothy, (600 gr), its working edge is tough to beat; because of all those carbides it’s packed with.
I just bought a DLC S90V PM2, (teal G-10, black hardware and liners), and it was $40 less than my standard S110V PM2, (indigo G-10). S110V must be a royal b@$t@rd to machine… otherwise I don’t understand why it’s so much more expensive. 🤔
Love it, thanks for the info! I have a Benchmade 940-1 with the S90V and I agree on the easy to sharpen. I like a toothy working edge on it, it lasts a long time. It is easy to get that knife very sharp. Compared to Benchmade S30vn in an older model 790, the S90v in the 940-1 is noticably better. Looks like Spyderco does even better with it. I wonder how much is due to their edge geometry as well like the shape of the Manik I mean, aren't you also testing the shape of the knife a bit?
The geometry has something to do with it, but homeboy always thoroughly sharpens test blades to the same bevel angle. The 940 isn’t exactly thick behind the edge, either.
Spyderco just does a better job heat treating their blades than Benchmade does.
Which do you prefer out of the S90V military and CTS-204P military?
S90V would be my choice of the 2.
Interesting results! I don't have any knife in S90V and I probably won't get one either since I really hate chipping while I love thin edges. How big a problem is it with S90V in relatively heavy use (hardwood cuting), please? That being said, my Benchmade S30V doesn't like a thin edge either (even after a lot of steel removal) which is dissapointing. I ended up putting a microbevel on it which helped but anyway... For me, good M390/CPM 20V works really nice in a folder and I tend to use it most often despite the fact that manufacturers mostly don't do a good service to the this steel.
I'm going to work some steels and wood in to videos in the future to show how to expect different ones to hold up in use.
@@Outpost_76 That sounds awesome! Your channel has really a high quality content. It is not as "flashy" as some other knife channels but I like it more. The information is very valuable! Thanks!
I've heard that s125 is better with a real toothy edge, due to its super high carbide content. Wonder what kinda edge s90 is best with
I run anywhere from 400 to 600 grit on S90V. I've found this range to last the longest for my use. You can polish S90V and Steve did a video a few years ago showing the difference. I will be doing polished edges in the future to compare to the testing already done to show the difference and why I run lower grits.
Hey G , how do you deburr stubborn burrs? I use a kme also, but sometimes I get a burr , usually near the tip that doesn’t wanna come off. Any tips would be greatly appreciated! Thank you for all your hard work!!
You're welcome. Stubborn burrs can be a challenge, I start by going back to my finish grit and see if I can reduce it with the stone. If that doesn't work I'll run the edge across a stone and sharpen again. I've only run in to one so far that I couldn't completely remove the burr. I have had a few over the years that were hard enough to deburr that I just threw them away. Try keeping your burr as small as possible and deburr on each stone as much as possible before going to the next one. This will help on any knife as well.
Outpost 76 thank you very much
@Outpost_76 so you use a KME? What grit do you bring it up to?
My 940-1 was so chippy until I got past the burnt steel. Which took a long time and many chips and sharpenings in between. It's finally at a point where it doesn't chip from looking at it. Because it's so thick behind the edge, especially after that much sharpening.... I barely use it anymore. I have that framelock spyderco military in s90v also, and after sharpening twice it stopped chipping and its one of my more favorite models of spyderco. I wish they would make a pm2 framelock just like that military framelock.
Most guys prob. get rid of their knives too early which is a shame,what your experiencing happened to me with my s110v native so I said what the heck and went quite steep angle with my edge the knife looks a little ugly ...but man now the edge stays sharp crazy long and its one of my favorite edc
@@blueswan2175 happened to my manix 2 s110v. I ended up putting a wider angle for more edge stability and it hasn't happened again. Cut up a ton of stuff and alot of carpet when the whole town flooded. I'm pretty sure spyderco use water cooled robots on there golden knives, but it still gets a little burnt. Unlike Benchmade and there various burnt levels.
What were you doing with it where it was chipping? I haven't experienced that on my 940-1 and I have took it hiking for years and done a lot of light bushcraft with it as well as general medium use EDC. I haven't cut rocks but I haven't babied it.
@@kaizen5023 factory edges are burnt from the factory causing fatigued steel at the edge. This is common knowledge.
@@tacticalcenter8658 thanks, I just learned something!
So it that Benchmade another ultra-burned edge like the M4 Freek?
I'm not positive about this one. It came to Joah used so I'm not sure how many edges if any were put on the knife prior to that.
For a hard use purpose on a Strider AR. 75, better to go with a S35VN or S90VN version?!?
What kind of use? Wood and outdoors or a mix of everything edc wise.
@@Outpost_76 wood and outdoors
You can't really compare these too, as the grind is different. Makes for much different cut through. Super nice knives though! Also it's SO SO SO good that you are telling people to do new edges. The edge from the store is just to impress people, and high vanadium carbides do not get their best edges out of the box because of the laser cut for the blanks.
It's been shown many times now tge grind itself and bte thickness doesn't effect the outcome in cardboard testing. What it does show is on the knives tested the 940 doesn't have as good a heat treat as the Military does. It's a shame most won't put enough sharpenings on a knife to see its true potential.
Hey I just sent you an email I think lol. Another great video looking forward to getting some s 90v.
Thank you and I replied to the email.
Outpost 76 thanks again
in a parallel universe S90V is the go-to high end steel instead of M390
I don’t like the 940 either
They look cool, but kinda thick behind the edge, no?
leo tam I think the thumb stud is buried low and close to the liner so I can’t open it easily. Among a few other things just doesn’t excite me like other knives do
I've had a few nowas loaners and even tried one myself a few years ago. Just something about it makes me not want one.
i came for the dog
Kinda like a beater knife??? You are aware that only 600 of that particular knife were made right lol and how much they go for on secondary market like ebay 🤔🤷♂️
And will ever be made I should add, the 600 that were released are the only orange lightweight s90's that will ever be produced so if it's a beater then let me take it off your hands and I can give you a different spydie for it you're welcome to beat on and I'd even let you choose which spydie I've got several dozens of them unused in box...
This one is in rough shape. It's been modded prior to me getting it. In person it shows.
Email me, it's in the description and I'll send you pictures of what I'm talking about.
More proof Benchmade is overpriced trash.
Was curious how hard sypderco ran their S90V. I have a Gen 1 spyderco paysan in S90V. Its hard to find any info about its rockwell hardness. Based off other knives ive handled and sharpened, where i know the HRC, id say its above 60. Wish they told you the range their blades come in.
They do a good job with heat treating and most steels tested from them perform well. All the S90V I have from them has tested between 60 and 62 rc.