Some of these get obscure though too, like that fire goat is a direct copy of a pokemon fangame pokemon. There's some based off of beta pokemon and some almost direct copies from other franchieses like yokai watch.
Yeah, how tf did Mozzarina (just a cow) end up in the plagiarism column when his explanation for several others in the original category was stuff like “it’s just a sheep” or “it’s just a penguin”??
@@andrewhansen-mcclellan7923 Because he decided to throw in other, completely different series in for a few of the choices. Otherwise it would be in Original, despite how bland Mozzarina, despite the fun name, is.
The piplup comparison is lame. A penguin is going to look like a penguin. The fact that its blue is the same reason piplup is; they're both water types. Every water Pal is blue, so the water penguin guy is also blue. Guarantee you Nintendo wouldnt have a case with that one, you cant copyright blue penguins
Mau is literally just an Egyptian Mau which is an exotic breed of cat famous for its unique personality and appearance. Mau is pretty generic because the gold jewellery just screams ancient Egyptian fashion which makes sense.
Especially when we have other distinctly Egyptian designs like Anubis (the only one I've personally seen so far but I've barely started) it's establishing a theme.
Fuack is thwack with Th-fronting. It's a common manner of speech in certain dialects. It's why you hear Michael Caine say things like "Firty Fousand dollars" And yes, there are Asian dialects with this quirk
Pokemon didn’t create the idea of a Gold coin + Cat it’s based on the Japaneese beckoning cat also known as Money cat, lucky cat, welcoming cat, happy cat (dude has a lot of names).
Now that i think of it, Meowth and Mau are 2 distinct ideas. Meowth is based on japanese Maneki neko, while Mau is meant to be a sort of "Egyptian cat"
Exactly, "Egyptian Mau" is actually a cat race which is the race "Mau" is based on. There is nothing in common between Meowth and Mau except both beeing just cats
@@nicz7694 there is also the "money/coin and gold" aspect but that pal seems to be based on how ancient egyptians worshipped cats show in this case by the cat being covered in egyptian looking gold jewelry vs the chinese/japanese(idk the exact origins) lucky cat statues(that hold a coin) meowth is based on so they are both "cats that have to do with money" but both with wildly different historical/cultural origins
To me it just seems all these people are forcing comparisons between pokemon and pals, 99.9% of them look nothing alike, bro saw a tail that resembles evee and said "yeah its just eevee". Most of the "potential lawsuit" pals have almost nothing to do with the pokemon they're compared to. An example is at the timestamp 14:00 , I can see the fin, but how does that prove anything? the results are not even remotely close to the actual final product, so why bother?
The fire horse is just a Kirin. A lot of the monsters you placed on suspicious are from japanese mythology and folclore which Pokemon draws inspiration too as well which is also public domain
@@Gfp1995 Then it's what? The enormous stretches the guy made throughout the video? Only the one compared to Eevee is correct. The guy literally put the cow that we see in any ranch game as a copy of Pokemon
@@CDragonEdits-22ano man, you’re reaching, I think his opinion was fair and valid, at least he’s not baby raging about the topic like many of these comments
@@psycoNaughtplaysMCPC I mean, I can kind of see how you see Darkrai in that Pal, but there plenty of other edgy cartoon-ish characters/creatures that have that same color palette and aesthetic. The white wisp on the top, yeah that’s a little suspicious, but I’d say that’s more akin to Mega Absol than Darkrai. However, I’d say the only thing they’re really “copying” in that pal is the head. The rest of it does not look like Darkrai in the slightest
I actually really like the design of Pyrin as, from what I can tell, is based on 2 things: 1. The mythological beast Kirin. Its commonly depicted in East Asian culture and has a resemblance towards deer/horses. I would assume this is the "-in" in Pyrin. 2. Lu Bu/Red Hare. Pyrin's two long strands on the head seem to be an homage to the Chinese warrior Lu Bu from the Warring Kingdoms era, as he is commonly depicted with those same feathers/hairs protruding from his helmet. His iconic mount was a horse named Red Hare. Even Pyrin's paldeck entry lists the reference.
Yeah none of them look anything like Pokemon and Nintendo and Co would lose any lawsuit here. Pokemon is dead and Scarlet and Violet is roasting its mutilated corpse. There is absolutely nothing in here that would make me think they were directly assets stolen from Pokemon all the people mad at palworld are probably jelly nostolgia blind people who won't grow up and mine in from Pokemon and are in there mid 30s or early 40s. Even my kids weren't really into Pokemon games as the toxic fanbase is.
You can tell he got tired of putting the effort of researching designs later down the line and really kills the tier list completely from his own demotivation
What research? He called Grintale a copy of Galarion Meowth.........he hasn't even seen Alice in Wonderland before, if he did research then that means I have 5 Ph.Ds
I mean, the only penguin pokemon i can think of are the Piplup line, Eiscue (much closer to the irl inspiration), and Delibird- Eiscue I could argue, but it's not close enough due to it's signature Ice-head gimmick. Mantine though, as a specifically *flying* manta ray? Same antenna-like things on it's head? Mix some Togekiss in there with the more rounded "wings", lil round feet, and lighter colour pallet- you got that Pal.
And how fuack is just a duck/platapus so its okay, but the cow, a literal cow...is lawsuit tier? Same with cremis, vixy, and nox. He says vixy is okay because "its just a fox design", but claims cremis, which is just a smaller different colored vixy, is 100% lawsuit. Same with nox, which is one of his worst comparisoins "It looks like eevee if it had a ghost evolution", sorry, but you cant say "your honor, if we did make a ghost form of this character, it might look like nox, so its our design!"
you can't claim every globby looking thing is a rip off of some other globby looking thing. you might as well be saying ditto is the same thing as grimer. or that gumoss is a grimer rip off. you could just as easily say that gumoss is a pacman ghost. or that ditto is a pacman ghost ripoff.
@@Controllerheadclaiming matching eyes is ridiculous when we're talking about dots. just dots for eyes. this also goes for complaints about any generic anime eye being the same as another generic anime eye. you're going to have to explain how the eye is unique to a specific character before claiming that it's being ripped off. so do explain how the eyes of gumoss are unique. you might as well be claiming slime rancher ripped off of pokemon too.
That Celeray and Mantine comparison is not really fair. They're literally both just Manta's. Those are what manta rays look like. They aren't exactly ripping anything off.
yeah, Ive been saying, any pal that is just - an already existing animal, that just so happens to also have a Pokemon designed in similair way is not really a ripoff, albeit lazy from both pokemon and palworlds side
Agreed, the best way to look at it os how many ways there are to color and theme pals. Making a sea dragon blue is an obvious choice. Some of the electric ones are also too high. Showing electricity as a flash is obvious, a flash is yellow, and warning signs usually are black and yellow. On the other hand i would have put way more from the original idea tier to the inspired by tier. Because many don't pass the above test.
With the sheer amount of Pokémon that exist it would be interesting to see a challenge where artists try to design their own creatures and then see how many of them look like a ripoff of a Pokémon.
I think there are many "challenges" similar to that, where TH-camrs based around Pokémon invite other people (who don't know much about Pokémon) and show them either a real Pokémon or a Fan Made one and they have to guess if it's a real Pokémon or not.
Exactly what i was thinking. If you use a „similar“ artstyle for your creatures it will be inevitable to have some looking similar to the 1025 Pokémon there are. Though a few really looked TOO similar
i thought the same. Especially if you put on the elemental theme in addition. With over 1000 Pokémon and a similar art style its bound to have some overlaps. Some are really too similar, but I don‘t agree fully with the tier list in that regard. Some are imo just common associations. like the grinning cat face. the yellow eyes are also similar from the pokemon to the grinning cat in the disney alice in wonderland movie and using triangles for teeth… well that‘s not uncommon as well. btw: i never played palworld only pokemon up until sword/shield. but lost interest in the games even before that generation.
@@TheLongDon crazy thing is Japan has no fair use laws. Which means that even WITHOUT fair use, Nintendo knows they don’t have a case. All this shit of “Nintendo should sue!” is pointless. We’re talking about a company so aggressively litigious they sued THEMSELVES. If they could have sued, they would have sued when the first ad dropped. They didn’t. Because they can’t. At least not without losing.
the mention of elizabee needing historical knowledge of elizabeth I to get the reference is crazy considering Queen Elizabeth II died less than 2 years ago...
any pals whose description is " X animal + Y element" shouldnt even be questioned, like, dude, its the most basic form of creature design, not to mention the straight up normal animals who have a colour palette that matches their type
@@irmiwolf I mean when there's literally a thousand pokemon you can only stray so far from designs that have already been done while still making them look like animals.
bro made the "suspiciously familiar" tier and described many of them as being suspiciously familiar and then put them in the oc tier for several entries and my autism is flaring up so bad Edit: it's giving "it goes in the square hole"
Bro put a grass goat in “oc” because Pokémon did grass goat first, but then put the lava goat in original because “Pokémon don’t own elemental goats” lol
He also put a literal cow with an emoji cat face on lawsuit tier, because it looks too much like a cow, to another cartoon creature where the only thing they got in common is that they are both clearly inspired from cows. And then only minutes later proceeded to put a noose creature that has exact same type of eyes and body as a pokemon bell creature, - as "original", because the body and face are apparently generic enough to not count as a ripoff.... I cant even.... xD
@@acatcheckingitstemperature394 I get where you're coming from on the model itself, but the animations with the pick axe vs hammer or his charge definitely have me huge King Deedeedee vibes.
I agree with the majority of these tier rankings, but honestly, I feel like there ought to be a split for a tier of "you can't copyright something so generic". And also, a small category of "Wait no, this is a digimon instead." Doing detailed analysis of each pal like this individually makes me realize how many subconscious color schemes I've absorbed over the years and small design elements.
I had the exact same thoughts of "too generic to be copyrightable" and "digimon class". I'd have also liked a category for "actually good designs", there are like 5 of those that would be nice to highlight as something positive.
I don't think a single thing in this video is real stuff, it's more like a parody of all those twitter people who compare two different designs of a cartoon cat and say it's carbon copy.
@@mvb02 I think some places it did Idk it's all mixed with who thinks came out where and when you search it, it isn't specific what year in the first origin it originated. Have you heard of Dragon Quest? That was definitely before those 2
1:20 Pink Pancham without the leaf on the mouth 1:47 Chipmunk Leafeon 1:57 Baby Cramorant 3:23 Fat Piplup 3:38 Shaymin + Togedemaru 4:08 Grass type Ditto 4:45 Old Guy Murkrow 5:16 Coufant + a little bit of Phanpy 7:13 Looks like Eevee + Herdier... kinda... 7:37 Kinda Reminds me of Nihilego... a Jellyfish with a hat... 10:51 Brown Chingling with larger arms 11:49 Pink alpaca with Virizion legs 13:19 it's wings looks like Vivillon 13:33 Goat Terrakion 15:06 Tall Impmon (From Digimon) 16:18 That looks like Luxray's mane 16:41 Vespiquen 17:43 Same colours as Litwick 18:42 If Galarian Ninetales and Glaceon had a child 21:12 It's Bayleef or Meganium's face 21:40 That's literally sea serpent Typhlosion 22:07 Dreadnaw (It's face at least) 22:25 Noivern 25:28 Mismagius + Meowscarada 26:01 Cinderace* 26:41 Looks like a Smaller Lapras without the shell and with Vaporeon's face 28:32 Dinosaur Quagsire 31:15 Reshiram 33:50 Yveltal 35:56 Ceruledge 36:09 Winged Galarian Rapidash
Agreed, some of these were quite a reach to even compare. Like the 2 squids don't look alike. It's just two cute lil guys. Or even Grintale. It's GrinTALE. This was literally based off the the Cheshire Cat, with the color, the eyes, and the smile. To say they took that from pokemon is ridiculous, if anything pokemon took it from wonderland lol. There's sooooo many pals that were taken from mythology too, the names and characteristics describe that. yet he's here still trying to compare it and put it into sus tiers. I think there's a lot of confusion from people who don't really know the true origins of a lot of designs and ideas they're crying about and claim it's a pokemon ripoff, when pokemon themselves also ripped it off from something else half the time XD Don't get me wrong, there ARE some very clear ones that looks super inspired and "copied" from pokemon, but really a lot of these on the list were a bit of a reach.
Absolutely. I felt like I was going insane watching this. One minute he notices visual motifs and the next he passes them off as generic. Then at 14:00 odd he puts the purple lizard in the suspicious category because it reminds him of the 'inner city' vibes of two pokemon that aren't reptiles. Man's free associating.
@@princewhiff Dude I thought the exact same thing when he got to that purple lizard. You can't put it in the sus tier when they just share a "vibe". They look nothing alike, not the same species or anything. How do you plagiarize a vibe? Don't get me wrong theres a lot of pals/pokemon that DO share a LOT of similarities. And I do agree with a fair amount of these. But lots of these are just reach, grasping at straws that aren't even there. Like Pyrin is Rapidash? Why? Cause they're both fire horses? Pyrin is literally a Kirin(qilin for chinese) from Japanese mythology which is known as a dragon/unicorn/deer hybrid thing that's covered in flames. Plus the name I mean c'mon, Pyr (fire), Pyrin, Kirin. Like you can't get much closer. And if you look up a Kirin it's almost exact. This is 1000% a copy of mythology, not a rapidash lol. So unless pokemon owns rights to asian mythologies, they're also ripping it off with their rapidash. Oh and that candy one too, like what? Wooliepop is a cotton candy dog. Alcreamie is not a dog... and it's whipped cream. You can't compare these two lol. Also, if you're going to say that Ribunny is Sylveon because of the ribbons regardless of their species, then using this videos logic I would argue that Lifmunk is basically Leafeon regardless of species. I agree that it's frustrating to see him notice certain similarities then like completely ignore others, or try to claim/create others that just aren't there. Also I've learned that you apparently can't have any cute fox looking thing without claiming it to be eevee lol.
See, everyone says kilimari copies inkay and tbh, i dont see it. They are both a small squid. Look up vampire squid and you'll see its honestly more closely designed after that then the pokemon
This. So many 'copies' from this list are actually just based off of the same or similar animals or mythological creatures and legends. These pokemon fans would have more people on their side if they were actually unbiased in their analysis.
you put a fire fox in “just an animal” tier but proceeded to imply a tree dwelling primate that is covered in leaves from said trees is copied from pansage when pansage isn’t even the first one to do that
what about the flying manta ray which was done many years before pokemon even existed, by the game series which literally invented the genre of having a large amount of collectable monsters
The silliest part of all this is that many of the "too close for comfort" designs could've been further differentiated by just not copying the color scheme on top of similar design elements/inspiration.
legit a good handful of these would be original enough if they just changed the color schemes, i think they designed it like that with purpose to farm the inevitable controversy the same way andy and leyley put in incest so the outrage would spread the word
The question is, why did the devs not bother doing just that? The AI theory seems more convincing to me after watching this. It's like they trained ai by inserting all the official pokemon designs. Easy for the artists to pick the best mashups it then created, and use them as "inspiration".
To be fair this isn't a fully released game ... So if Nintendo came and called it copywrite material all they would have to do is make those changes to be more distinct
not *exactly*. staraptor and it's pre-evolution starly are based on white-cheeked starlings, as the first half of their names suggest. staraptor is a mix of a starling and an unspecified bird of prey, most resembling a hawk or falcon. "raptor" is a blanket term for many distinct bird of prey species.
They don't really look similar to be completely honest. The design inspirations are clearly similar but the actual art style is way different. It's sort of opposite from Palworld, who uses different design inspirations for the most part (ignoring Anubis and a few others) but uses a very similar art style as Pokemon and straight up just copies little bits and bobs from different mons, like Azurrobe and Primarina.
I think "Fuack" is an onomatopoeia for an impact. Like "Thwack". The pal deck entry for them seems to indicate they like to body surf at high velocities, and the impacts from such can be lethal.
Y’know I just realized that the argument is slightly harder to prove if they gave them more dynamic poses and a more distinct shader. Slightly more details on the fur
Yea, cept this cartooney, smooth no texture look is what alot of people and kids like. Hence alot of roblox game producers also only do the flat texture.
Rayhound is based on Greyhounds. Which are the fastest dogs there are. They literally live to race and can get depression if they aren't allowed to. Fast things are often associated with electricity. That one belongs in the Same Idea tier at best.
Pyrin is actually based off of a Chinese mythological creature, called a Kirin it’s pretty much a lightning horse, but they use the prefix py as In pyro cause it’s pretty much a fire version if you look up a picture of how they’re described and how they’re drawn, it’s practically one-to-one no copyright
@@cheesecrew well it’s not the whole point was the name being a pun on that so you’re wrong it’s just an electric zebra. Don’t try to step up to me bro just take your L.
7:52 It's an Egyptian cat. It just straight-up looks like Bastet in full animal form. There are a lot of Pals that are based in mythology and religion, even more (as a percentage) than Pokemon. Some of the ones near the top are really not legitimate for a lawsuit simply because Game Freak cannot own the mythology or religion on which they're based. And some of these are just "Oh, they have the same helmet!" and it's like... a helmet. That you would find. On European battlefields. Very commonly. Again, not something Game Freak can claim to own.
Lmao thank you. This video is honestly full of so many bizarre takes and a clear lack of real world knowledge. The bad takes actually just weaken the actual evidence of stolen assets/ideas.
@@MarkCrilley13 Yea he's just a small youtuber trying to imitate other youtubers, including their voice, while doing a video about plagiarism, i dunno its pretty meta.
@@MarkCrilley13 Yeah, i was watching thinking it would be a serious comparison, but the guy just said a Manta Ray is a Pokémon copy 😂 Maybe another frustrated Nintendo stan
22:26 It's a weird Gliscor with a Regieleki animation I'm shocked no one's noticing the animation here 31:48 Bird form Mega Salamence 13:40 Terrakion OC. It's very reminiscent (imo) 34:52 That one sorta looks like a Corviknight, very distinct design though. 35:42 Reminds me of Ceruledge. Again, not a clone and there are plenty of knight-based 'mons, but that's just what I saw that I believe you missed. The two of those knight things are very close to the idea of Armarouge and Ceruledge to me, however.
Suzaku is in both Japanese and Chinese mythology and can be seen drawn similarly if you just google Suzaku bird. Bro didn't do a lot of research if he "couldn't find anyone online talking about it."
1:15 Not to mention you can't copyright the concept of sheep with overgrown coats, so that makes things a bit difficult... He looks more like something out of Kirby, they sure love their spherical characters in dreamland.
21:13 that Plant Dino's head is straight up Meganium's head. The eyes and head shape are the same as Meganium just the color changed. 34:52 the bird uses Corvinight's body shape. The tuft of feathers in the front is too specific to corvinight.
Not even the same body shape, it's got Corviknight's beard and exact same feet too. They just changed the armor a bit. It even moves the same. In fact, a lot of these Pals seem to use the same, if not extremely similar animation riggings to Pokemon.
@@kara-mari9909 that’s great. Sick of Triple A corporates thinks they are completely original and everyone is copying them.. since they are famous (due to marketing budget ) or they think could get off the hook since their teems got heavily “inspired” by small previous artists/games who can’t afford similar legal costs.
@@patja89 the face can be litterally drawn with 3 brush strokes. You cannot sue a musician because they happen to use the same chord as your song did either
Yeah Nintendo can't sue over something they don't own Chesire Cat is public domain. Just look at the awful Winnie the pooh horror movie they had no rights but public domain saved them from a lawsuit. We will probably be getting a Steamboat Willie film soon which Disney can't do anything about.
At the time 1:48 he talks about litmunk he says its "oringinal" but their are sooo many Pokemon that look like it here's a few ones :pacharisu :greedent :squolvent sorry if I spelled them incorrect
He literally forgot lot of non famous pokemon, and some famous ones at that (he forgot piplup and vulpix of the bat, what to say now). Bro even missed Yveltal, wow.
Piplup I'm guessing is reference to that penguin... The non king one. Again, theme coloured penguin. Not a rip. Vulpix covers about 1/3rd of all if you don't include the tails. Perhaps the ice fox, since vulpix has several tails and a generic fox shape. Yveltal doesn't really look like it, but i think it's animated much like the fire bird that was claimed original? I don't know
Think the worst is the bellossum like pal...and then people throw in two more Pokémon and say they blend them together like wtf Pokémon doesn't even come up with OG designs from their own older pokemon....same with the garbage about copying the idea of a dot eye which is flipping ridiculous.
Tocotoco and Xatu situation belongs in the "same concept, not a rippoff" category. Both are based on native american totem bird designs and beyond the coloring are completely distinct from each other. Also Tocotoco has some easter egg painting theming to it since its butt happens to be an egg grenade launcher
With the xatu clone the coloring is mostly why its copied. Sure you made a totem bird....with the same color scheme as the other totem bird? Legally it's fine but I'm not gonna act like they sat down and came up with that themselves.
@@dgayle2348 Xatu's colors are generic for the concept; look up 'Kachina dolls' and you'll see a bunch with the exact same pattern. Palworld could have copied a different Native American color scheme, maybe swapped out the green for a teal, but definitely fair use imo; it'd be like if there was a red white and blue bald eagle Pokemon.
@@dgayle2348 i mean, you can argue that that color scheme is common Aztec colors. You see it in regards to Aztec culture is so many different media, so pokemon didn't even sit down and come up with that themselves.
@@shadow8767 They could have it to not be full green with small touches of red tho, if they had change the colors and saturation wouldn't even look like a ripoff
But Pokemon made it all first, Nintendo has zero Rights about ther Design because they stole ther Design from somewhere else, and people really think Nintendo and Pokemon own the rights about how a Cat or Cheep is looking in a video game.
@@allxtend4005 Ya know the cats are literally not based on the same thing, the palworld one is based on Egyptian stuff while Meowth is based on a specific japanese luck figurine. They're not even the same continent.
Bro why is your voice so engaging /pos _(also I love this! You came across really gentle and neutral with the game, which is refreshing considering how evil some Pokemon Fans have been to PalWorld, and this is coming from a long-time Pokemon fan who's baby gen is gen 5)_
They're based on real animals but completely separated by the features of how cartoonish they look, the art style as well, this is like saying nothing can plagiarized cuz everything is based on something
@TearsOfThem you can't coin an art style though, plagerism is defined as the genuine theft or copying of a preexisting work. Don't get me wrong, I grew up on pokemon and started playing palworld with my husband with the mindset that the monsters in pals where just rips of pocket monsters. I do often find myself being able to ramble about how some pals look like fusions of 2-3 mons. But the more I see them the more I just think majority are inspired not directly ripped. If an art style could be copy righted, all of anime would be in deep trouble.
Some pokemon yes but there are so many pokemon that aren't closely based on animals and are just fantasy creatures. You can't defend the models where the colors are the same and the models are very similar. It's not easy to copy a standing owl furry archer with autumn colors. Even with pokemon that are similar to animals it's still gonna be difficult to get as close as they do with their designs.
It's funny to me that you often go for a comparison with a newer gen pokemon. A fire pony is for me immediately a ponyta/rapidash. And the plant Pal at 10:10 is just belossom. The pattern I see is that a lot of the time they mixed 2 pokemons
@p.as.in.pterodactyl1024 No, it isn't. People are getting delusional over this game lol. Bellossom is not primarily red and green and is not based on a thorny rose bush. Bellossom is a cutesy hawaiian dancer girl who is meant to represent a young, shy person finally coming out of their shell. The pictured Pal is thorny red and green bush girl that presumably does slave labor or something.
I was genuinely surprised lifmunk was deemed "original" when it looks *so much* like leafeon. And I agree that they often mixed two pokemon, there's something about Catvia that just *Screams* pokemon to me, like it's a mix of Meowth and Clefable or something. It's one of the Pals that look like a region variant of existing Pokemon. Also maybe it's cause I watched Hazbin Hotel recently, but Tombat looks like Husk to me.
A lot of Pals you put in suspiciously similar or OC are heavily inspired by cultural folktale or literature that both Palworld and Pokemon took from and some are literally based from different animals. Grintale is based on the Cheshire cat, Pyrin is based on a kirin, Felbat is a vampire, Mozzarina is just a cow and it looks nowhere near that other cow you just compared it with.
I love how it's name is Grimtale too, like Grim's Fairytales. Pyrin had me slapping my head, cuz that wasn't a zebra. Felbat though, definitely just Darkrai. Lol Pretty sure Mozzarina was a joke.
using the same concept is not the same as taking similar design elements. You can recreate the same yokai-esqe concepts in completely different ways if you wanted to.
I'm glad this is an opinion and not a lawyer, because any school teacher who has an any knowledge of zoology, entomology, and mythology or any related field would shut you down with most or all of your higher ranked examples. I think it's also worth noting that Nintendo also doesn't have the copyright on most of its characters, as they were not legally distinct enough for that. Pokemon isn't an original idea itself. Nintendo did trademark a number of its designs though, but trademark had a different set of rules. You might also want to look into a type of common curve used in art a lot called a french curve, which has no copyright, its just too old. It's commonly used in anime hair. Additionally, if you take 2-5 things and mix and match parts from them its often enough to make the claim it's distinct. Lastly you defeated all of your evee arguments, I mean how many pals which are all definitely visually distinct, did you claim looked similar to evee? That alone defeats your arguments. The fact is that evee's model is based off a real life creature, and that creature has many similar creatures to it. As such it's not uncommon for anything which uses a similar base to have similarities. And you night want to look up a bird called a Tucan you obviously have never seen one, because you were not aware of anything similar to it, and instead found the closest Pokemon to it and said it was similar. Don't forget that Pokemon has been going on for years, and they have created thousands of Pokemon, it's unlikely that anything imitating that art style with more than a few designs would be able to do so without some similarities. Keep in mind this was demoed years ago, and Nintendo had a chance to object to these designs back then, and they didn't, even if Nintendo did have an objection, this is still early access, as such it's likely that if Nintendo has a problem with a design, they can just make a few more changes to it in the next patch, and then any suit Nintendo has would be moot. The only way Nintendo might win a case is if people were confusing palworld with Pokemon, and I don't think any reasonable person has done that. If Nintendo thought they had a real case they would already have issued an emergency injunction to prevent sales and distribution, while they hashed this out in court. As palworld kinda makes them look bad, since it's budget was only 10k, and Pokemon has had no significant changes since it's inception.
17:01 I'm so tired of this one. The cat's name is GrinTALE, as in a story. It is literally the Cheshire Cat from Alice in wonderland. Which famously has had bright yellow eyes and jagged teeth in some of it's iterations, the pink fur should make that even more obvious. Pokemon didnt create nor owns those features.
I have a feeling that a lot of people who are into Pokemon and are claiming Palworld "ripped them off" don't really know the origins of a LOT of the stuff they're complaining about. There are a number of Pals based on mythological critters and just "Pal-ified", and people claim Pokemon "invented" it.
@@wumpusrat for REAL, and a huge portion of pokemon designs are just "animal, but with X." insane to me like the one at 11:23. the dog pal. and he says "this is just alcremie" ?????? alcremie is not a dog. pokemon does not own the concepts of "pink" or "ice cream" lol, i cannot stand how much people are caping for nintendo on this one
@@wumpusratYeah, like Pyrin being based off of the Chinese flaming horse Kirin, except with "Pyr-" in the name because pyro means fires. It's literally just a Chinese flaming horse. Unless Pokemon owns Chinese mythology, Rapidash is the ripoff lol. Gnoggin did a video breaking down the etymology of the Pals, it's a really really interesting video
Pyrin is not simply a horse, but a take on the mythical Qilin Also Kelpsea is literally just a kelpie but made to look more cutsey, thus having less-defined features
wanted to comment on that. i've read a lot of manhua and the first thing i thought when i saw that design was the Qiling .If you google it it should be on the front page. main difference is that qilin is depicted with horns while in palworld the design reminds of that is not solid horns
Eh, kind of weird how a samurai creature having a straw hat was at all compared to Hisuian Decidueye. Like that one on particular stood out to me as weird to call out because Nintendo just... doesn't own that.
@@jonathangoodwin5609 Copyright law or trademark, depending on which Pikachu for instance lies under, is all about specificity. Copyright isn't meant to protect just ideas or broad design ideas. No one can own a yellow cartoon mouse in anime style with lightening powers, but exactly how Pikachu looks and the name, that is protected. If Pikachu is trademarked, then it needs to be distinct enough to not have someone assume that if it's on a product, that it's official merch. Much like how putting mouse ears to hint at being Disney official would be a big problem. Trademark is harder line than copyright and also doesn't expire and get turned over to the public overtime. To put it another way, anyone can design and sell a cellphone. The exact way the phone is made however is unique to the company who sells it, such as design, name etc. All phones look pretty similar, because they are all smart phones. Making cartoon anime style monsters based off of animals or mixes of them can't be protected. It's too broad.
They definitively own their 3D meshes, buddy. Why are people trying to play it off as a design issue when it's obvious the problem here is they've ripped off the Pokémon 3D models to make their own ? No one is saying Game Freak owns the idea of a leaf monkey, Pokémon has several aside from Pansage and the "monkey = jungle = leaf" is a common association. And considering there are 1000 Pokémon, any design inspired by a real world animal will look similar to a Pokémon at some point, just like the Simpsons has so many episodes it's literally impossible to find a concept that hasn't been already explored by them. The problem is that you can literally point out which parts of Dinossum were taken from which Pokémon 3D model just by a glance. We're not into getting inspiration there, or common associations, we enter assets stealing territory. And it's obvious they didn't make them from scratch when the 3D models quality in the game is so inconsistent. Sure weird how their 3D modelists can replicate the Pokémon style perfectly on their own, but their humans look straight out of Fortnite. Definitively doesn't scream shovelware.
@ellebora8536 I think the pokemon company and pocket pair ink know the copyright laws of Japan, the nation they are in far better than you. If there was a problem do you really think considering everything the pokemon company has made claims against, they would have done so the pocket pair?
@@eme120ep I mean, Pengullet is just a penquin. The fact that it’s blue doesn’t really make it a Piplup ripoff. It has a very distinct design from Piplup, and they pretty much color all the Pals to match their element, so that can explain the blue.
Truthfully. Lots of the pals feel familiar, yet are not. Also unless it is added. The pals do not evolve at least not yet... and unknown if this will be added or not. That said... I will say that there are a lot of pals that are familiar, Yet are removed from the pokemon franchise enough that Game freak/nintendo can't hit them for it. At least not easily. Also lots of the ones saying that some mon are the same or same enough nintendo could sue happen to be salty game devs that are parts of failing game corporations. though Not all of them are. Some could be nintendo pokemon stands.
@@mightypancake2211 There's an "evolution" mechanic in Palworld, but it doesn't change how the pal looks. It just increases their stats/skills by condensing a bunch of other pals of the same type. And honestly, putting the cow in "lawsuit tier?" Nobody owns the copyright for "cow". That one was ridiculous.
@@wumpusrat Calling what is effectively a gacha star rank system "evolution" is really stretching it dude. "Oh, your 0 star Cattiva can become a 1 star Cattiva if you get 4 more cattiva and sacrifice them to rank it up. Now you gotta get 16 for a 2 star. Now you gotta get 32 for a 3 star! 64 cattiva for a 4 star!" That's not evolution, that's a gacha game's attempt to make pulling dupes worthwhile, but placed into a game that doesn't use predatory marketing to try to get you to spend wild amounts of money to get max characters.
How tf you gonna say Elizabee is too obscure when half of pokemon, palworld, and the whole monster catching genre name things in the exact same way? They're all puns based on nature or culture. If you don't get them you don't get them. But Queen Elizabeth of all things is obscure?
I... assume he somehow didn't know queen elizabeth the second just passed away... somehow, and looked up that 80 years ago, Queen Elizabeth, The Queen Mother, roamed the world. Good ol' "never account to malice what can be explain by ignorance"
Grintale, both the name and the eye and mouth design are a reference to the Chesire cat. Honestly I think the design would need it's own tier: Different idea, same execution.
@@RealLifeIronMan Except that when you closely compare the eyes of the 3d models they are in fact different shapes and coloration and not a rip from Galarian Meowth, hence my statement.
@@PivotCyroy I respect your perspective, but the shape and coloration differences in the eyes are too minor to my mind. But I can see where you are coming from.
Pokemon fans fans when a pal looks like an IRL animal (OMG COPYRIGHT COPYRIGHT COPYRIGHT BAD GAME STEALIJG SUEEEEEEE" like holy crap yall chilllll. There are only so many models you can create based off of animals.
Im honestly pretty upset you said the fire horse is similar to rapidash, but didn’t mention that theyre based off the horsemen of the apocalypse more specifically war
I'm actually pretty certain it's based off of a Chinese mythical creature (but I'm not Chinese so I don't know the name) because it has black scales like a dragon. And Pyrin also has scales.
Fire horse is an extremely common design trope. I feel like I personally need to do one of these tier lists because I KEEP seeing people siting Pokémon designs that are actually just very old tropes. My tip is that if it’s also in Dungeons and Dragons, they’re totally in the clear. See Nightmare for DnD’s local “horse on fire”.
Lets also think of the ramifications here: "fire + horse = pokemon". No FU it doesn't, you can't own the most basic and generic of design ideas lol. The idea that one game did something as simple as "used animal + element" or "based design off of existing thing" means they suddenly own that idea or any adaptions is just....honestly hella dystopian. Might as well just sell us all to Disney now.
this was incredible, really i have no idea how did you manage to miss so many obvious reference from pokemon, and also putting original design in similar like Depresso and Bushi wich should go in original and same idea respectfully.
30:12 Wumpo (if that is how it's spelled) looks straight from those Gold and Silver beta pokemon sprites that got released a while back. It was beta mons that were cut from the game. It looks like the two stage mon that is wearing a fur of another creature. Ewok style shadow circle eyes. Sharp claws. Very similar. Wumpo looks like they added some blue patterns, and took out some features from the beta sprites
With some of these, I see a completely different two pokemon being refrenced in the design than what you'd mentioned, which may just be because even the pokemon company lazily rips off their own design and recently have stopped even trying to hide it with the "Forms". But overall, agreeable.
To be fair, galarian meowth is just a Cheshire Cat face. It’s possible the assets were copied, but it’s also just an anime version of the picture from the book.
The electric zebra idea is based on the Kirin. It’s a very popular Japanese mythological creature. Kirin is often portrayed as a giraffe, horse, or hoofed animal mixed with a lightening dragon.
Wait the electric zebra is the kirin? I think the fire horse lookes way waaaay more kirin, to the point that calling it just rapidash but black is simply incorrect.
21:17 I am surprised that you didn’t say meganium for it as it is meganium’s head/face it is pretty an exact copy of it’s face and it’s eyes and colour palette on goodra’s body with a flower on its head. 28:42 while this is the same idea as meganium the first one has its face.
Important to the discussion is *_how many pokemon are blatant ripoffs of older jrpg's?_* If Nintendo is going to bring up "we think you copied our design," they bring possible backlash, when the original source material _nintendo copied_ comes out in defense as being their inspiration. Note that I'm not saying palworld isn't blatantly trying to look similar. I'm saying Nintendo's 'unique' ideas are instead common tropes. For example, how many jrpg's have lightning wolves, dogs, foxes, etc. Fire horses? Also very common. These ideas are _common_ in Japanese mythology. (and other mythologies too) Diglet? I remember thinking, "oh, i've seen that design in another game before." Part of what pokemon has done - is cheaply throw whatever hash of ideas together, often directly pulled from other inspirations. What is the style of pokemon? Is it so unique? *If you showed someone unfamiliar a picture of Kirby, would they know he's not a pokemon?* The style isn't that unique. It's within the subset of common Chibi styles. So what is pokemon's style? It's a style of chibi with an overemphasis on simplistic round or oval shapes, heavy use of V's and Zigzags, heavy reuse and cut and pasting, postures accentuated or completely removed, any thin or lanky features made excessively so, any hair is either excessively accentuated or smoothed away. The people are an obvious anime style including the either exaggerated spiky hair, excessively soft and curly, or exceptionally neat smooth hair.
There's a difference between using animal + elemental as a design basis, and releasing Fenglope as a Pal over 13 years after Cobalion was introduced with Black and White. That's all I'm gonna say.
@@christiancinnabars1402fully agree. Dragon Quest's mons look wildly different because the art style is so different, Pokémon may have used similar inspirations but actually changed the designs a lot. Palworld put in the exact Pokémon style into a gritty environment and it just clashes really hard.
@@christiancinnabars1402Palworld wiki says "Fenglope with its cloud theming and level-up skillset including many water moves may partially be inspired by the Fuzhu, a mythical deer from Chinese mythology that is associated with floods and weather change." I'm probably not going to convince you of anything, but if you feel like looking up fuzhu, you'll get more results with " 夫诸 " than using English. To me, yea the colours are too insanely similar to be a coincidence, but they definitely look like different creatures to me with wildly different body shapes, and different themes.
I haven't played Palworld, so I'm not familiar with all the pals, but when you showed Azurobe I was STUNNED you didn't mention Milotic or Dragonaire because there are very clearly some elements taken from those two as well.
This is actually missing the mark a bit for this exact reason. Other than a few painfully agonizing copy/pastes like Cremis literally being Gigantimax Eevee but wooly instead of furry, the rest of them are not "its obviously *insert Pokemon*". Almost every single one of them is an amalgamation of stitched together existing animal parts. He gave the grass squirrel and Cattiva an immediate pass because they don't 1 for 1 match an existing Pokemon model, while ignoring the individual pieces being replicas of Pokemon's pieces (Jigglypuff and Lefeon come to mind.) Even Pals like the squirrel/cat thing having Raichu's tail ignores the face that it's face and whiskers are Zeraora's.
The single snaggle tooth is a japanese trope called "Yaeba" and tends to be considered cute/cool. Definitely similar face to weavile though. Somehow you missed the Blaziken legs on Robinquill. xD
snitch
lmao
and they get stitches.
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Yakuza coming for you
only criminals cry about snitching
Bro wasn't kidding when he said he would make everyone on both sides angry at him, looking at the like to dislike ratio.
Wow thats 22k likes to 0 dislikes
oml r u dumb???@@PacanatorTheFirst
@@PacanatorTheFirst it's 11k dislike now (I have return dislike add-on btw)
@@koutakasane795how do you get that
@@kotaar8535 just search it on google "return youtube dislike add-on" or something like that
Dude would not pass the Pokémon knowledge test
Came to the to say the same. That bird is def pidgeotto with different colors
I even only play pokemon go once awhile and agree with you
Some of these get obscure though too, like that fire goat is a direct copy of a pokemon fangame pokemon. There's some based off of beta pokemon and some almost direct copies from other franchieses like yokai watch.
i don't even know pokemon and even i saw related pokemon he didn't notice 💀
Yep, foxparks is painfully clearly a flareon copy, it is not just a "fire fox".
dunno if being arbitrarily inconsistent is the best way to make both sides angry
Actually I think that's the best way to get both sides angry. 😂
@@RainbowKittyy It even gets people in the middle angry. I don't give a damn about the whole situation but the wild inconsistency has pissed me off.
@@greeniehead yeah I only came into the comments to complain about the inconsistency 😅😂
Yeah, how tf did Mozzarina (just a cow) end up in the plagiarism column when his explanation for several others in the original category was stuff like “it’s just a sheep” or “it’s just a penguin”??
@@andrewhansen-mcclellan7923 Because he decided to throw in other, completely different series in for a few of the choices.
Otherwise it would be in Original, despite how bland Mozzarina, despite the fun name, is.
Possible missed similarities:
1:48 leafeon
1:55 vulpix, fennekin, flareon
1:58 (shiny) psyduck
2:44 grookey
3:03 ponyta, rapidash
3:24 piplup
3:32 empoleon
3:38 togedemaru
4:07 ditto, seedot
5:16 litwick, cufant
5:34 marshadow
5:55 (alolan) vulpix
6:27 **galaxy hair matches cosmog's cloud patterns**
6:46 piloswine, mammoswine
7:15 espeon, (shiny) eevee
7:53 umbreon
9:21 (green) squawkabilly
9:41 **tail is slightly similar to smeargle**
11:37 **tree is similar to G-Max snorlax**
11:51 sylveon
12:37 braviary
13:35 entei
14:19 murkrow, honchcrow
15:48 **legs look like blaziken's legs**
16:43 vespiqueen
17:02 **purple fur and split tail matches espeon**
17:45 goomy, ditto
18:44 glaceon
19:31 glaceon, xerneas, glastrier, suicune
19:52 **tail looks like raichu**
20:50 (Mega-Y) mewtwo
21:14 **flower matches venasaur**
22:10 turtonator, heatran
23:33 magcargo
24:07 yveltal
25:29 mismagius
27:29 milotic, suicune
28:24 entei
29:43 great tusk
30:59 **absol's head**
31:16 reshiram
31:48 (hisuian) braviary
32:03 zekrom
33:17 (mega) gyarados
33:52 yveltal
34:13 electivire
34:54 corvighknight
35:09 zekrom, toxtricity
35:30 corvighknight, **ring around torso matches (origin) dialga**
36:10 glastrier
The piplup comparison is lame. A penguin is going to look like a penguin. The fact that its blue is the same reason piplup is; they're both water types. Every water Pal is blue, so the water penguin guy is also blue. Guarantee you Nintendo wouldnt have a case with that one, you cant copyright blue penguins
entei is a dog, that is a goat
@ConstellationsArise is it quadrupedal? Is it fire? Does it have chains on its body? Then what is the problem?
@@GLaDOSaperturescience8156 You know what, that is a fair point haha.
1:48 is literally pachirisu with leafeon coat
Mau is literally just an Egyptian Mau which is an exotic breed of cat famous for its unique personality and appearance.
Mau is pretty generic because the gold jewellery just screams ancient Egyptian fashion which makes sense.
With umbreon Inspiration?
@@scrubcentral174 no? its just designed to look like the egyptian hieroglyph for a cat
Especially when we have other distinctly Egyptian designs like Anubis (the only one I've personally seen so far but I've barely started) it's establishing a theme.
Ok, it was just a guess.
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Umberon inspiration? Pokemon doesn't own 'black cat with gold markings"@@scrubcentral174
the fact that you combined 2 newer gen pokemon for bristla when it's literally bellossom's alt edgy older sister is what killed me.
Didn't remind me of bellossom that much honestly
Looks more like the hornier sister
Must have sprained something with THAT stretch, eh?
I was thinking the same damn thing
I think Fuack is a typo joke. Like how people type "fuck" but get "duck" its "Fuack" instead of "Quack"
It's based on the word thwack because it shoots off at high speeds and often hits things.
Exactly that!
Fuack is thwack with Th-fronting. It's a common manner of speech in certain dialects. It's why you hear Michael Caine say things like "Firty Fousand dollars"
And yes, there are Asian dialects with this quirk
it's like "duck you"
Honestly I was just thinking pkmn logic myself, since water type and a duck it’s name could be a mixture of the words foam and quack.
I'm pretty sure the queen that died recently's name is elizabeth so we don't need history knowledge to understand the elizabee pun
I think most people know who queen Elizabeth was lmao
Congrats, that’s the joke
@@captaindanger13 Are you restarted?
Pokemon didn’t create the idea of a Gold coin + Cat it’s based on the Japaneese beckoning cat also known as Money cat, lucky cat, welcoming cat, happy cat (dude has a lot of names).
Also that cat is clearly based on the cat from Egyptian mythology, iirc the name is Bast?
@@LokiOfDragons You are correct. My fave Egyptian goddess
China uses the cat with coin as well I like the lucky cat that's why I like Meowths design and palworlds design lol
Yea? That's why he put it in not a rip off?
@@LokiOfDragonsit's based on a pokemon beta design...
This humor in this video really reminds me of froschjuliane haha
I think he was joking?
Cows belong to Pokemon. Didn't you know?
No it’s true, my local dairy farm received a cease and desist from game freak
Pokémon created cows, don't you know
yeah man everyone knows that that’s why every milk carton and cheese pack has the gamefreak written on it
Now that i think of it, Meowth and Mau are 2 distinct ideas. Meowth is based on japanese Maneki neko, while Mau is meant to be a sort of "Egyptian cat"
Exactly, "Egyptian Mau" is actually a cat race which is the race "Mau" is based on.
There is nothing in common between Meowth and Mau except both beeing just cats
@@nicz7694 there is also the "money/coin and gold" aspect but that pal seems to be based on how ancient egyptians worshipped cats show in this case by the cat being covered in egyptian looking gold jewelry vs the chinese/japanese(idk the exact origins) lucky cat statues(that hold a coin) meowth is based on so they are both "cats that have to do with money" but both with wildly different historical/cultural origins
@@MachuThePichuPlus, there is a Pal that is *literally* called Anubis
Mau looks like umbreon more than anything
To me it just seems all these people are forcing comparisons between pokemon and pals, 99.9% of them look nothing alike, bro saw a tail that resembles evee and said "yeah its just eevee". Most of the "potential lawsuit" pals have almost nothing to do with the pokemon they're compared to. An example is at the timestamp 14:00 , I can see the fin, but how does that prove anything? the results are not even remotely close to the actual final product, so why bother?
I feel like more of your "originals" should be in "same idea."
Fun list and good breakdown. Thanks for doing it.
The pun is every time you type "f*ck" on messages it autocorrects to "duck"
Oh that’s amazing lol
@@magiefanna9835 fuck
guys its not working fuck fuck fuck
then when you combine them both it sounds like a word. to fuack something with a large object.
The fire horse is just a Kirin. A lot of the monsters you placed on suspicious are from japanese mythology and folclore which Pokemon draws inspiration too as well which is also public domain
yeah he cannot see the similarity of Kirin and the other is flareon, and the ice penguin - piplup
Also, the comparison with meowth is an enormous stretch. He is a cheshire cat
@@lokemisi don't think the inspiration is the problem
@@Gfp1995 Then it's what? The enormous stretches the guy made throughout the video? Only the one compared to Eevee is correct. The guy literally put the cow that we see in any ranch game as a copy of Pokemon
He literally said a Manta Ray is a Pokémon copy, i guess he wasn't that good on Biology classes so he don't know it's a real animal 😂
Interesting how this dude has low pokemon knowledge but was also unfairly critical in some places
Did we even watch the same vid my guy?
Agreed. The one he compared to Darkai was REACHING
@@CDragonEdits-22ano man, you’re reaching, I think his opinion was fair and valid, at least he’s not baby raging about the topic like many of these comments
@@psycoNaughtplaysMCPC I mean, I can kind of see how you see Darkrai in that Pal, but there plenty of other edgy cartoon-ish characters/creatures that have that same color palette and aesthetic. The white wisp on the top, yeah that’s a little suspicious, but I’d say that’s more akin to Mega Absol than Darkrai. However, I’d say the only thing they’re really “copying” in that pal is the head. The rest of it does not look like Darkrai in the slightest
@@psycoNaughtplaysMCPC bruh this channel really be using alt accounts just to defend his shitty video
I actually really like the design of Pyrin as, from what I can tell, is based on 2 things:
1. The mythological beast Kirin. Its commonly depicted in East Asian culture and has a resemblance towards deer/horses. I would assume this is the "-in" in Pyrin.
2. Lu Bu/Red Hare. Pyrin's two long strands on the head seem to be an homage to the Chinese warrior Lu Bu from the Warring Kingdoms era, as he is commonly depicted with those same feathers/hairs protruding from his helmet. His iconic mount was a horse named Red Hare. Even Pyrin's paldeck entry lists the reference.
Yeah none of them look anything like Pokemon and Nintendo and Co would lose any lawsuit here. Pokemon is dead and Scarlet and Violet is roasting its mutilated corpse. There is absolutely nothing in here that would make me think they were directly assets stolen from Pokemon all the people mad at palworld are probably jelly nostolgia blind people who won't grow up and mine in from Pokemon and are in there mid 30s or early 40s. Even my kids weren't really into Pokemon games as the toxic fanbase is.
You can tell he got tired of putting the effort of researching designs later down the line and really kills the tier list completely from his own demotivation
This... the last ones had a duo that just looked like a Ceruledge with different colors and he put it as an "original" but the cow was lawsuitable?
@@midas1489 THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY! Ceruledge 100% for those 2! And the Corvesquire 3 before? The Suicune after?! Bruh
it’s just a silly little video nothing too serious
@@SanativeSparrow dont forget the zapdos. its actually the birb from sv idk the english name rn
What research? He called Grintale a copy of Galarion Meowth.........he hasn't even seen Alice in Wonderland before, if he did research then that means I have 5 Ph.Ds
Idk he seems to be super inconsistent about his judging. Like the penguin is just a penguin but the manta ray is a ripoff?
i agree but its fun to watch
I mean, the only penguin pokemon i can think of are the Piplup line, Eiscue (much closer to the irl inspiration), and Delibird- Eiscue I could argue, but it's not close enough due to it's signature Ice-head gimmick.
Mantine though, as a specifically *flying* manta ray? Same antenna-like things on it's head? Mix some Togekiss in there with the more rounded "wings", lil round feet, and lighter colour pallet- you got that Pal.
And how fuack is just a duck/platapus so its okay, but the cow, a literal cow...is lawsuit tier?
Same with cremis, vixy, and nox. He says vixy is okay because "its just a fox design", but claims cremis, which is just a smaller different colored vixy, is 100% lawsuit. Same with nox, which is one of his worst comparisoins "It looks like eevee if it had a ghost evolution", sorry, but you cant say "your honor, if we did make a ghost form of this character, it might look like nox, so its our design!"
Yeah i agree. I also think he found it tyring after a while, because i liked the first part of the vid
Mantaray that looks like no real mantaray and is *flying* vs. Penguine.
Palworld has done the impossible
Nah, plagiarism has been done before
And if youre talking about the gameplay its just ark and conan exiles
Good
dont forget that pokemon plagiarized dragon quest. @@lunashenck
@@demetriss_d2726 They literally didnt but alright. Nintendo does a lot of shitty stuff but plagiarism is not one of them
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Gumoss is Ditto with a freaking hat come on bro.
My man did not get any of the Whose That Pokemon commercial breaks right 😂
The word you're looking for is seedot
you can't claim every globby looking thing is a rip off of some other globby looking thing. you might as well be saying ditto is the same thing as grimer. or that gumoss is a grimer rip off. you could just as easily say that gumoss is a pacman ghost. or that ditto is a pacman ghost ripoff.
@@fionazelmann7541 eyes match. goopiness matches. arm and foot proportion matches up. it's gumoss with a hat bro (or belch)
@@Controllerheadclaiming matching eyes is ridiculous when we're talking about dots. just dots for eyes. this also goes for complaints about any generic anime eye being the same as another generic anime eye. you're going to have to explain how the eye is unique to a specific character before claiming that it's being ripped off. so do explain how the eyes of gumoss are unique. you might as well be claiming slime rancher ripped off of pokemon too.
@@fionazelmann7541ok we disagree to me its clearly ditto
That Celeray and Mantine comparison is not really fair. They're literally both just Manta's. Those are what manta rays look like. They aren't exactly ripping anything off.
yeah, Ive been saying, any pal that is just - an already existing animal, that just so happens to also have a Pokemon designed in similair way is not really a ripoff, albeit lazy from both pokemon and palworlds side
Also mau its not even based on same thing japanese lucky cat and egyptian cat arent same
also flying manta ray are a fairly common fantasy trope in general.
Agreed, the best way to look at it os how many ways there are to color and theme pals.
Making a sea dragon blue is an obvious choice.
Some of the electric ones are also too high. Showing electricity as a flash is obvious, a flash is yellow, and warning signs usually are black and yellow.
On the other hand i would have put way more from the original idea tier to the inspired by tier. Because many don't pass the above test.
Animals are suing Pokemon for copyright infringement
With the sheer amount of Pokémon that exist it would be interesting to see a challenge where artists try to design their own creatures and then see how many of them look like a ripoff of a Pokémon.
I think there are many "challenges" similar to that, where TH-camrs based around Pokémon invite other people (who don't know much about Pokémon) and show them either a real Pokémon or a Fan Made one and they have to guess if it's a real Pokémon or not.
Exactly what i was thinking. If you use a „similar“ artstyle for your creatures it will be inevitable to have some looking similar to the 1025 Pokémon there are. Though a few really looked TOO similar
i thought the same. Especially if you put on the elemental theme in addition. With over 1000 Pokémon and a similar art style its bound to have some overlaps. Some are really too similar, but I don‘t agree fully with the tier list in that regard. Some are imo just common associations. like the grinning cat face. the yellow eyes are also similar from the pokemon to the grinning cat in the disney alice in wonderland movie and using triangles for teeth… well that‘s not uncommon as well.
btw: i never played palworld only pokemon up until sword/shield. but lost interest in the games even before that generation.
There are tons of fan games that have done that for decades now! You can find tons of fake Mon on TH-cam, art sites, etc
Fuack is quaxly
Btw, the little weavile tooth is just a thing that happens in Japanese media a lot, not necessarily just that Pokémon
Same with the glowing eyes and sawtooth cat face motif.
Yes, but it literally has the SAME face with the SMALLEST changes ever. Little eyelashes and everything.
@@-VoDkAsVengeance- That is how fair use works lmao
@@caseydewitt6236 chessire cat inspired... Kind of a retarded thing to miss, the big cat Pal is outright just a chessire cat...
@@TheLongDon crazy thing is Japan has no fair use laws. Which means that even WITHOUT fair use, Nintendo knows they don’t have a case. All this shit of “Nintendo should sue!” is pointless. We’re talking about a company so aggressively litigious they sued THEMSELVES. If they could have sued, they would have sued when the first ad dropped. They didn’t. Because they can’t. At least not without losing.
the mention of elizabee needing historical knowledge of elizabeth I to get the reference is crazy considering Queen Elizabeth II died less than 2 years ago...
any pals whose description is " X animal + Y element" shouldnt even be questioned, like, dude, its the most basic form of creature design, not to mention the straight up normal animals who have a colour palette that matches their type
what about all those pals that are clearly X Pokemon mixed with Y Pokemon? Like almost all Pals could be the result of a pokemon fusion.
@@irmiwolf I mean when there's literally a thousand pokemon you can only stray so far from designs that have already been done while still making them look like animals.
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Call me crazy but I think blending designs together produces something more original than "Eevee with a fox head."
You cannot copyright or patent "physical domain" there is no case here. @@irmiwolf
@@takiyeet6946 call me crazy but eevee is a generic fox with fluff
bro made the "suspiciously familiar" tier and described many of them as being suspiciously familiar and then put them in the oc tier for several entries and my autism is flaring up so bad
Edit: it's giving "it goes in the square hole"
Bro put a grass goat in “oc” because Pokémon did grass goat first, but then put the lava goat in original because “Pokémon don’t own elemental goats” lol
He also put a literal cow with an emoji cat face on lawsuit tier, because it looks too much like a cow, to another cartoon creature where the only thing they got in common is that they are both clearly inspired from cows.
And then only minutes later proceeded to put a noose creature that has exact same type of eyes and body as a pokemon bell creature, - as "original", because the body and face are apparently generic enough to not count as a ripoff....
I cant even.... xD
@@zettovii1367 that's what people who weren't dropped on the head as a toddler would call "a joke"
@@zettovii1367 are you dumb? its obviously a joke 😒
The pegasus thing at the end had a super similar face to Suicune that he didn’t seem to notice at all
"it's been around for 5000 years so I'm pretty sure it's in public domain at this point" hit the nail on the head
Excuse me? Penking? King deedeedee? No one else sees the resemblance between him, and that Kirby villian?
What resemblance lol, both of them are kings and both are penguins? Other than that, they physically look different
@@acatcheckingitstemperature394 I get where you're coming from on the model itself, but the animations with the pick axe vs hammer or his charge definitely have me huge King Deedeedee vibes.
People who relate them to nintendo characters only seem to be people who have not played many japanese and or korean games
I agree with the majority of these tier rankings, but honestly, I feel like there ought to be a split for a tier of "you can't copyright something so generic". And also, a small category of "Wait no, this is a digimon instead." Doing detailed analysis of each pal like this individually makes me realize how many subconscious color schemes I've absorbed over the years and small design elements.
I had the exact same thoughts of "too generic to be copyrightable" and "digimon class". I'd have also liked a category for "actually good designs", there are like 5 of those that would be nice to highlight as something positive.
you mean a "literally just an animal" tier rank?
Ome of them is like sonic character as well
I don't think a single thing in this video is real stuff, it's more like a parody of all those twitter people who compare two different designs of a cartoon cat and say it's carbon copy.
@@marinelchavhez7269 i already know youre talking about verdash 😂
I didn’t think I would say both “what that’s totally unique” and “what that literally one for one a pokemon” in the same tier list
Too bad they ripped a lot of characters from Digimon so they should legally not be able to
@@RipMeGaming pokemon was before digimon 💀
@@mvb02 Pokemon ripped ALOT of enemies from Dragon Quest to make into Pokemon. Some of them.....insanely blatant.
@@kahmoriittsoro9262
This is not true and I'm tired of this lie being spread around. Same idea? Sure. Same designs? Hell no.
@@mvb02 I think some places it did Idk it's all mixed with who thinks came out where and when you search it, it isn't specific what year in the first origin it originated. Have you heard of Dragon Quest? That was definitely before those 2
1:20 Pink Pancham without the leaf on the mouth
1:47 Chipmunk Leafeon
1:57 Baby Cramorant
3:23 Fat Piplup
3:38 Shaymin + Togedemaru
4:08 Grass type Ditto
4:45 Old Guy Murkrow
5:16 Coufant + a little bit of Phanpy
7:13 Looks like Eevee + Herdier... kinda...
7:37 Kinda Reminds me of Nihilego... a Jellyfish with a hat...
10:51 Brown Chingling with larger arms
11:49 Pink alpaca with Virizion legs
13:19 it's wings looks like Vivillon
13:33 Goat Terrakion
15:06 Tall Impmon (From Digimon)
16:18 That looks like Luxray's mane
16:41 Vespiquen
17:43 Same colours as Litwick
18:42 If Galarian Ninetales and Glaceon had a child
21:12 It's Bayleef or Meganium's face
21:40 That's literally sea serpent Typhlosion
22:07 Dreadnaw (It's face at least)
22:25 Noivern
25:28 Mismagius + Meowscarada
26:01 Cinderace*
26:41 Looks like a Smaller Lapras without the shell and with Vaporeon's face
28:32 Dinosaur Quagsire
31:15 Reshiram
33:50 Yveltal
35:56 Ceruledge
36:09 Winged Galarian Rapidash
bro youre delusional
Hm... I feel many of these choices were made on the fly and he stuck to them. A lot feel like they're not in the right tier to me.
Agreed, some of these were quite a reach to even compare. Like the 2 squids don't look alike. It's just two cute lil guys. Or even Grintale. It's GrinTALE. This was literally based off the the Cheshire Cat, with the color, the eyes, and the smile. To say they took that from pokemon is ridiculous, if anything pokemon took it from wonderland lol.
There's sooooo many pals that were taken from mythology too, the names and characteristics describe that. yet he's here still trying to compare it and put it into sus tiers.
I think there's a lot of confusion from people who don't really know the true origins of a lot of designs and ideas they're crying about and claim it's a pokemon ripoff, when pokemon themselves also ripped it off from something else half the time XD
Don't get me wrong, there ARE some very clear ones that looks super inspired and "copied" from pokemon, but really a lot of these on the list were a bit of a reach.
Absolutely. I felt like I was going insane watching this.
One minute he notices visual motifs and the next he passes them off as generic. Then at 14:00 odd he puts the purple lizard in the suspicious category because it reminds him of the 'inner city' vibes of two pokemon that aren't reptiles. Man's free associating.
The guy is forgetting that animal+element will make a similar design.
Like grass+ monkey= grass monkey.
Then make your own tier list. Problem solved.
@@princewhiff Dude I thought the exact same thing when he got to that purple lizard. You can't put it in the sus tier when they just share a "vibe". They look nothing alike, not the same species or anything. How do you plagiarize a vibe?
Don't get me wrong theres a lot of pals/pokemon that DO share a LOT of similarities. And I do agree with a fair amount of these. But lots of these are just reach, grasping at straws that aren't even there.
Like Pyrin is Rapidash? Why? Cause they're both fire horses?
Pyrin is literally a Kirin(qilin for chinese) from Japanese mythology which is known as a dragon/unicorn/deer hybrid thing that's covered in flames. Plus the name I mean c'mon, Pyr (fire), Pyrin, Kirin. Like you can't get much closer. And if you look up a Kirin it's almost exact. This is 1000% a copy of mythology, not a rapidash lol.
So unless pokemon owns rights to asian mythologies, they're also ripping it off with their rapidash.
Oh and that candy one too, like what? Wooliepop is a cotton candy dog. Alcreamie is not a dog... and it's whipped cream. You can't compare these two lol.
Also, if you're going to say that Ribunny is Sylveon because of the ribbons regardless of their species, then using this videos logic I would argue that Lifmunk is basically Leafeon regardless of species.
I agree that it's frustrating to see him notice certain similarities then like completely ignore others, or try to claim/create others that just aren't there.
Also I've learned that you apparently can't have any cute fox looking thing without claiming it to be eevee lol.
See, everyone says kilimari copies inkay and tbh, i dont see it. They are both a small squid. Look up vampire squid and you'll see its honestly more closely designed after that then the pokemon
To me it looks like Bloober from Super Mario
This. So many 'copies' from this list are actually just based off of the same or similar animals or mythological creatures and legends. These pokemon fans would have more people on their side if they were actually unbiased in their analysis.
@@Homiloko2 Exactly. Let's just throw away all the creatures from Shin Megami Tensei while we're at it too.
I mean, if I'm being honest - I don't even see the Evee comparison. The Palworld one looks like a bunny - not a fox.
its not even a squid it more resembles a dumbo octopus with espurrs eyes at most
"And if we're gonna start calling having a circle for a body plagiarism...I am in *trouble* " Oh my god I I laughed HARD.
same lmaooo
The title and thumbnail of this video combine is hilarious, I had to click it😂
Pyrin is a kirin and the money based cats are just both maneki-neko, common Japanese folklore creatures
That’s basically all pokemon. It’s either Japanese yokai or it’s just animal+magic
you put a fire fox in “just an animal” tier but proceeded to imply a tree dwelling primate that is covered in leaves from said trees is copied from pansage when pansage isn’t even the first one to do that
what about the flying manta ray which was done many years before pokemon even existed, by the game series which literally invented the genre of having a large amount of collectable monsters
It's literally mega delphox a fan designed piece of art straight up lawsuit
I saw Grookey plus Pansage personally. Although I wouldn't put it any higher than the "suspiciously familiar" tier.
Pokemon isn't even the first capture game so I don't get saying anyone "copied Pokemon " Pokemon copied digital devil stories then.
bro its really not subtle but u can keep glazing if u want
The super fluffy Eevee is basically what a Normal Type Eeveelusion should look like.
“Whatever kind of bird Staraptor is”
Um….a, Raptor
When I first saw Cremis I literally screamed, "CLOUD EEVEE!" XD
peoples are like cremis going to eevee and say:"hey bro. Let's be pals." and i like it.
or flying
It’s gigatamax eevee
13:40
...that's just Terrakion.
It's just a Terrakion OC at that point
That is a goat with fire in the neck💀💀💀
The silliest part of all this is that many of the "too close for comfort" designs could've been further differentiated by just not copying the color scheme on top of similar design elements/inspiration.
A lot of these are also more of a reskinned different pokemon using animations. Like the calamari isnt a squid pokemon clone but a drifloon clone
legit a good handful of these would be original enough if they just changed the color schemes, i think they designed it like that with purpose to farm the inevitable controversy the same way andy and leyley put in incest so the outrage would spread the word
too close for comfort still isn’t “the same” so they really had no obligation to change anything further
The question is, why did the devs not bother doing just that? The AI theory seems more convincing to me after watching this. It's like they trained ai by inserting all the official pokemon designs. Easy for the artists to pick the best mashups it then created, and use them as "inspiration".
To be fair this isn't a fully released game ... So if Nintendo came and called it copywrite material all they would have to do is make those changes to be more distinct
"What kind of bird is Staraptor?"
Hmm, idk. Maybe a raptor?
I'm legit dying from this one💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀☠☠☠☠☠☠☠☠☠☠☠
ok which raptor smartypants?
not *exactly*. staraptor and it's pre-evolution starly are based on white-cheeked starlings, as the first half of their names suggest. staraptor is a mix of a starling and an unspecified bird of prey, most resembling a hawk or falcon. "raptor" is a blanket term for many distinct bird of prey species.
@@frostyfinkrat TIL Staraptor evolves from Staryu
@@ToraVieh ACKK why are their names so similar 😭
Can you do the same kind of video, but with Pokemon and Dragon Quest?
They don't really look similar to be completely honest. The design inspirations are clearly similar but the actual art style is way different. It's sort of opposite from Palworld, who uses different design inspirations for the most part (ignoring Anubis and a few others) but uses a very similar art style as Pokemon and straight up just copies little bits and bobs from different mons, like Azurrobe and Primarina.
a ton of Pokémon were based on Yōkai (Japanese demon folklore) and are thus free to copy in concept as long as their appearance is different enough.
I think "Fuack" is an onomatopoeia for an impact. Like "Thwack". The pal deck entry for them seems to indicate they like to body surf at high velocities, and the impacts from such can be lethal.
you're wrong - they wanted to call it "Fuck" but added an "a" in it
@NicholasThorntonOfficial Thats what I call it 😂
I'm pretty sure it's suppose to be a play on Fox and Quack because of the ears...
he's the one and only fuck duck
I think this opinion is Fuack-ing wrong.
Y’know I just realized that the argument is slightly harder to prove if they gave them more dynamic poses and a more distinct shader.
Slightly more details on the fur
Yea, cept this cartooney, smooth no texture look is what alot of people and kids like. Hence alot of roblox game producers also only do the flat texture.
Nah, it being cartoony with the dark tone of slavery and murder is the point of the game lol
The goodra you put in OC looks like it has bayleefs face
Rayhound is based on Greyhounds. Which are the fastest dogs there are. They literally live to race and can get depression if they aren't allowed to. Fast things are often associated with electricity. That one belongs in the Same Idea tier at best.
It does clearly have Lucarios face though
they are bred to race they dont need to
Except for the fact that the face is literally shiny lucario but with the eyes above the black
Ba it’s bolt
@@grayquannichols9636 Soo... A dog💀
Pyrin is actually based off of a Chinese mythological creature, called a Kirin it’s pretty much a lightning horse, but they use the prefix py as In pyro cause it’s pretty much a fire version if you look up a picture of how they’re described and how they’re drawn, it’s practically one-to-one no copyright
HEY Kirin is from MH....time for capcom to SUE as well.(this is a joke btw)
I'd argue that Univolt is also a play on this creature + unicorns rather than being a Zebra
@@Chippaization wouldn’t put it past them with rise being such a cash grab
@@cheesecrew well it’s not the whole point was the name being a pun on that so you’re wrong it’s just an electric zebra. Don’t try to step up to me bro just take your L.
@@Mcs22398No, they're right. Univolt really is just an electric unicorn.
Who, uh, did you think the queen was during the majority of our lifetimes?
LMAO
Yeah I had to scratch my head at that one too. "Requires knowledge of old monarchs" as if remembering two years ago is a deep dive historically.
How many queen names have there been? Not many.
I feel like that joke was supposed to be sarcasm
I hope
I also thought that was stupid, but you can’t expected to much from the American education system, he might not actually know who the Queen was.
31:30 Hearing Brachydios in the video while fighting one really threw me for a loop that I didn't know possible, thanks for that 🤣
7:52 It's an Egyptian cat. It just straight-up looks like Bastet in full animal form. There are a lot of Pals that are based in mythology and religion, even more (as a percentage) than Pokemon. Some of the ones near the top are really not legitimate for a lawsuit simply because Game Freak cannot own the mythology or religion on which they're based.
And some of these are just "Oh, they have the same helmet!" and it's like... a helmet. That you would find. On European battlefields. Very commonly. Again, not something Game Freak can claim to own.
Bro was on about the tree sap one and said goomy when imo it looks more like ditto.
ditto with a hat
Same bruh
I thought "smol quagsire/clodsire" but yes
I was losing it when he didn't say ditto, I'm not even a big pokemon fan but I mean cmon dude 😭
Elizabee, such an obscure reference. Not like the entire english-speaking world and beyond knows a queen named Elizabeth in recent times.
Lmao thank you. This video is honestly full of so many bizarre takes and a clear lack of real world knowledge. The bad takes actually just weaken the actual evidence of stolen assets/ideas.
@@MarkCrilley13 ikr 😂😂
@@MarkCrilley13 Yea he's just a small youtuber trying to imitate other youtubers, including their voice, while doing a video about plagiarism, i dunno its pretty meta.
@@MarkCrilley13 Yeah, i was watching thinking it would be a serious comparison, but the guy just said a Manta Ray is a Pokémon copy 😂
Maybe another frustrated Nintendo stan
@@MarkCrilley13 he seems to d ride pokemon loool
22:26
It's a weird Gliscor with a Regieleki animation
I'm shocked no one's noticing the animation here
31:48
Bird form Mega Salamence
13:40
Terrakion OC. It's very reminiscent (imo)
34:52
That one sorta looks like a Corviknight, very distinct design
though.
35:42
Reminds me of Ceruledge. Again, not a clone and there are plenty of knight-based 'mons, but that's just what I saw that I believe you missed. The two of those knight things are very close to the idea of Armarouge and Ceruledge to me, however.
Suzaku is in both Japanese and Chinese mythology and can be seen drawn similarly if you just google Suzaku bird. Bro didn't do a lot of research if he "couldn't find anyone online talking about it."
1:15 Not to mention you can't copyright the concept of sheep with overgrown coats, so that makes things a bit difficult... He looks more like something out of Kirby, they sure love their spherical characters in dreamland.
And the money cat. It's just a thing in some asian cultures. Definitely not an original thing for pokemon.
21:13 that Plant Dino's head is straight up Meganium's head. The eyes and head shape are the same as Meganium just the color changed.
34:52 the bird uses Corvinight's body shape. The tuft of feathers in the front is too specific to corvinight.
Not even the same body shape, it's got Corviknight's beard and exact same feet too. They just changed the armor a bit. It even moves the same. In fact, a lot of these Pals seem to use the same, if not extremely similar animation riggings to Pokemon.
That's just a bird
1:52 "uncontroversial design"
Pachirisu: "Am I a joke to you?????"
Calling you out here ...not even done with the vid the bunny whos name i cant remember was in the trailer before ANYONE knew about tinkaton
Palworld has done the impossible, it got people to accuse pokemon of being original.
I wish they also do the same with games BEFORE pokemon. Many hard truths will be discovered.
@@Anu_was_here dw theyre already making their way to hollow knight and really sticking it to those other stupid triple A companies
@@kara-mari9909 that’s great. Sick of Triple A corporates thinks they are completely original and everyone is copying them.. since they are famous (due to marketing budget ) or they think could get off the hook since their teems got heavily “inspired” by small previous artists/games who can’t afford similar legal costs.
It's because their fanbase is just full of kids who don't know better. They are the original fortnite kids.
@@kara-mari9909 Jeez. Someone's _really_ butthurt and needs a lift in life, lol.
Plus, you're just talking nonsense. ''Hollow Knight!1'' 🤓🥴
Grintale is an obvious take on the Chesire Cat, which is public domain. Unless it's like a specific Disney version of it, there's no case to be made.
That one looks like a combination of skitty and galarian meowth to me lol. Definitely see the Cheshire cat reference too
The face is quite literally copy paste 😭
@@patja89 the face can be litterally drawn with 3 brush strokes. You cannot sue a musician because they happen to use the same chord as your song did either
Galarian meowth also looks like the cat bus from My Neighbour Totoro
Yeah Nintendo can't sue over something they don't own Chesire Cat is public domain. Just look at the awful Winnie the pooh horror movie they had no rights but public domain saved them from a lawsuit. We will probably be getting a Steamboat Willie film soon which Disney can't do anything about.
At the time 1:48 he talks about litmunk he says its "oringinal" but their are sooo many Pokemon that look like it here's a few ones :pacharisu :greedent :squolvent sorry if I spelled them incorrect
Also at 5:18 teefant bro it looks like phanphy
Along with 5:04 it looks like corvisquire
Another at 5:20 I think it should be night because of espeon
again at 7:53 mow bro it umbreon
it's based off a carbuncle in myth.
He literally forgot lot of non famous pokemon, and some famous ones at that (he forgot piplup and vulpix of the bat, what to say now). Bro even missed Yveltal, wow.
I tried googling those pokemon but i can't really tell the resemblances to anything. Which ones are you comparing to?
Piplup I'm guessing is reference to that penguin... The non king one.
Again, theme coloured penguin. Not a rip.
Vulpix covers about 1/3rd of all if you don't include the tails. Perhaps the ice fox, since vulpix has several tails and a generic fox shape.
Yveltal doesn't really look like it, but i think it's animated much like the fire bird that was claimed original?
I don't know
These people man, they are reaching
Think the worst is the bellossum like pal...and then people throw in two more Pokémon and say they blend them together like wtf Pokémon doesn't even come up with OG designs from their own older pokemon....same with the garbage about copying the idea of a dot eye which is flipping ridiculous.
The one he called “just a flying dinosaur” lowkey has the exact face and body as a pokemon
Tocotoco and Xatu situation belongs in the "same concept, not a rippoff" category. Both are based on native american totem bird designs and beyond the coloring are completely distinct from each other. Also Tocotoco has some easter egg painting theming to it since its butt happens to be an egg grenade launcher
With the xatu clone the coloring is mostly why its copied. Sure you made a totem bird....with the same color scheme as the other totem bird? Legally it's fine but I'm not gonna act like they sat down and came up with that themselves.
@@dgayle2348 Xatu's colors are generic for the concept; look up 'Kachina dolls' and you'll see a bunch with the exact same pattern. Palworld could have copied a different Native American color scheme, maybe swapped out the green for a teal, but definitely fair use imo; it'd be like if there was a red white and blue bald eagle Pokemon.
@@dgayle2348 i mean, you can argue that that color scheme is common Aztec colors. You see it in regards to Aztec culture is so many different media, so pokemon didn't even sit down and come up with that themselves.
tocotoco also giving big Viva Piñata vibes
@@shadow8767 They could have it to not be full green with small touches of red tho, if they had change the colors and saturation wouldn't even look like a ripoff
Not a Palworld Fan but I'm not exactly sure you've done a lot of research because the black and gold cat pal is based on a ancient statue
But Pokemon made it all first, Nintendo has zero Rights about ther Design because they stole ther Design from somewhere else, and people really think Nintendo and Pokemon own the rights about how a Cat or Cheep is looking in a video game.
@@allxtend4005 Ya know the cats are literally not based on the same thing, the palworld one is based on Egyptian stuff while Meowth is based on a specific japanese luck figurine. They're not even the same continent.
nerd
@@mr.fishyt826 just because your brain has nothing in it doesn't make him a nerd for knowing something
@@moondewan 🗿
Bro why is your voice so engaging /pos
_(also I love this! You came across really gentle and neutral with the game, which is refreshing considering how evil some Pokemon Fans have been to PalWorld, and this is coming from a long-time Pokemon fan who's baby gen is gen 5)_
Turns out when Pokemon are closely based on real animals , other monsters in other games look similar
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They're based on real animals but completely separated by the features of how cartoonish they look, the art style as well, this is like saying nothing can plagiarized cuz everything is based on something
@TearsOfThem you can't coin an art style though, plagerism is defined as the genuine theft or copying of a preexisting work.
Don't get me wrong, I grew up on pokemon and started playing palworld with my husband with the mindset that the monsters in pals where just rips of pocket monsters. I do often find myself being able to ramble about how some pals look like fusions of 2-3 mons.
But the more I see them the more I just think majority are inspired not directly ripped.
If an art style could be copy righted, all of anime would be in deep trouble.
Some pokemon yes but there are so many pokemon that aren't closely based on animals and are just fantasy creatures. You can't defend the models where the colors are the same and the models are very similar. It's not easy to copy a standing owl furry archer with autumn colors. Even with pokemon that are similar to animals it's still gonna be difficult to get as close as they do with their designs.
Nah, I've seen other Pokémon inspired games before, and none of them have designs this bland and similar to Pokémon.
It's funny to me that you often go for a comparison with a newer gen pokemon. A fire pony is for me immediately a ponyta/rapidash. And the plant Pal at 10:10 is just belossom.
The pattern I see is that a lot of the time they mixed 2 pokemons
yea they changed them just enough to have plausible deniability but like, it's super obvious most of the time lmao
The plant pal at 10:10 is definitely not bellossom
@NoNo-bg8oc It's very Bellossomesque, particularly regarding color scheme.
@p.as.in.pterodactyl1024 No, it isn't. People are getting delusional over this game lol. Bellossom is not primarily red and green and is not based on a thorny rose bush. Bellossom is a cutesy hawaiian dancer girl who is meant to represent a young, shy person finally coming out of their shell. The pictured Pal is thorny red and green bush girl that presumably does slave labor or something.
I was genuinely surprised lifmunk was deemed "original" when it looks *so much* like leafeon. And I agree that they often mixed two pokemon, there's something about Catvia that just *Screams* pokemon to me, like it's a mix of Meowth and Clefable or something. It's one of the Pals that look like a region variant of existing Pokemon. Also maybe it's cause I watched Hazbin Hotel recently, but Tombat looks like Husk to me.
A lot of Pals you put in suspiciously similar or OC are heavily inspired by cultural folktale or literature that both Palworld and Pokemon took from and some are literally based from different animals. Grintale is based on the Cheshire cat, Pyrin is based on a kirin, Felbat is a vampire, Mozzarina is just a cow and it looks nowhere near that other cow you just compared it with.
I love how it's name is Grimtale too, like Grim's Fairytales. Pyrin had me slapping my head, cuz that wasn't a zebra. Felbat though, definitely just Darkrai. Lol
Pretty sure Mozzarina was a joke.
using the same concept is not the same as taking similar design elements. You can recreate the same yokai-esqe concepts in completely different ways if you wanted to.
Mozzarina does have Snorlaxs exact face tho lmao
also the one that he said looks like gyarados is its just jormundager, the serpent monster that causes ragnarok in norse mithology
@@VirtuesOfSin it's not "grimtale" though it's grintale
I'm glad this is an opinion and not a lawyer, because any school teacher who has an any knowledge of zoology, entomology, and mythology or any related field would shut you down with most or all of your higher ranked examples.
I think it's also worth noting that Nintendo also doesn't have the copyright on most of its characters, as they were not legally distinct enough for that. Pokemon isn't an original idea itself. Nintendo did trademark a number of its designs though, but trademark had a different set of rules. You might also want to look into a type of common curve used in art a lot called a french curve, which has no copyright, its just too old. It's commonly used in anime hair. Additionally, if you take 2-5 things and mix and match parts from them its often enough to make the claim it's distinct.
Lastly you defeated all of your evee arguments, I mean how many pals which are all definitely visually distinct, did you claim looked similar to evee? That alone defeats your arguments. The fact is that evee's model is based off a real life creature, and that creature has many similar creatures to it. As such it's not uncommon for anything which uses a similar base to have similarities. And you night want to look up a bird called a Tucan you obviously have never seen one, because you were not aware of anything similar to it, and instead found the closest Pokemon to it and said it was similar.
Don't forget that Pokemon has been going on for years, and they have created thousands of Pokemon, it's unlikely that anything imitating that art style with more than a few designs would be able to do so without some similarities. Keep in mind this was demoed years ago, and Nintendo had a chance to object to these designs back then, and they didn't, even if Nintendo did have an objection, this is still early access, as such it's likely that if Nintendo has a problem with a design, they can just make a few more changes to it in the next patch, and then any suit Nintendo has would be moot. The only way Nintendo might win a case is if people were confusing palworld with Pokemon, and I don't think any reasonable person has done that. If Nintendo thought they had a real case they would already have issued an emergency injunction to prevent sales and distribution, while they hashed this out in court. As palworld kinda makes them look bad, since it's budget was only 10k, and Pokemon has had no significant changes since it's inception.
17:01 I'm so tired of this one. The cat's name is GrinTALE, as in a story. It is literally the Cheshire Cat from Alice in wonderland. Which famously has had bright yellow eyes and jagged teeth in some of it's iterations, the pink fur should make that even more obvious. Pokemon didnt create nor owns those features.
I was gonna say the same thing. Literally inspired by Cheshire cat. Ears, fur, eyes, on all fours.
I have a feeling that a lot of people who are into Pokemon and are claiming Palworld "ripped them off" don't really know the origins of a LOT of the stuff they're complaining about.
There are a number of Pals based on mythological critters and just "Pal-ified", and people claim Pokemon "invented" it.
@@wumpusrat for REAL, and a huge portion of pokemon designs are just "animal, but with X." insane to me like the one at 11:23. the dog pal. and he says "this is just alcremie" ?????? alcremie is not a dog. pokemon does not own the concepts of "pink" or "ice cream" lol, i cannot stand how much people are caping for nintendo on this one
@@wumpusratYeah, like Pyrin being based off of the Chinese flaming horse Kirin, except with "Pyr-" in the name because pyro means fires. It's literally just a Chinese flaming horse. Unless Pokemon owns Chinese mythology, Rapidash is the ripoff lol.
Gnoggin did a video breaking down the etymology of the Pals, it's a really really interesting video
The guy has to actually be creative to get this obvious reference.
Pyrin is not simply a horse, but a take on the mythical Qilin
Also Kelpsea is literally just a kelpie but made to look more cutsey, thus having less-defined features
wanted to comment on that. i've read a lot of manhua and the first thing i thought when i saw that design was the Qiling .If you google it it should be on the front page. main difference is that qilin is depicted with horns while in palworld the design reminds of that is not solid horns
Is a qilin the same thing as a kirin? Because that's straight up what pyrin looks like, just fiery instead of heavenly.
@@Dragowolf_Rising yes. qilin is chinese pinyin while kirin is japanese/korean romanization
Eh, kind of weird how a samurai creature having a straw hat was at all compared to Hisuian Decidueye. Like that one on particular stood out to me as weird to call out because Nintendo just... doesn't own that.
Or the Robin Hood guy
My friends had been talking about this video and kinda parroting some of this, but this dude is brain dead
@@joecreek6038bro that pal is just a dude cosplaying as decidueye
yeah it looks more like a ripoff version of sheen or snee from yokai watch
Something to remember that pokemon only holds copyright on the exact designs of their pokemon
So they could just take a pokemon, put a single new spot on its body, and it would be legally okay?
@jonathangoodwin5609 no but they could say take a pikachu and idk stretch its neck out and mildly change its skin
@@jonathangoodwin5609 Copyright law or trademark, depending on which Pikachu for instance lies under, is all about specificity. Copyright isn't meant to protect just ideas or broad design ideas. No one can own a yellow cartoon mouse in anime style with lightening powers, but exactly how Pikachu looks and the name, that is protected.
If Pikachu is trademarked, then it needs to be distinct enough to not have someone assume that if it's on a product, that it's official merch. Much like how putting mouse ears to hint at being Disney official would be a big problem. Trademark is harder line than copyright and also doesn't expire and get turned over to the public overtime.
To put it another way, anyone can design and sell a cellphone. The exact way the phone is made however is unique to the company who sells it, such as design, name etc. All phones look pretty similar, because they are all smart phones. Making cartoon anime style monsters based off of animals or mixes of them can't be protected. It's too broad.
They definitively own their 3D meshes, buddy. Why are people trying to play it off as a design issue when it's obvious the problem here is they've ripped off the Pokémon 3D models to make their own ?
No one is saying Game Freak owns the idea of a leaf monkey, Pokémon has several aside from Pansage and the "monkey = jungle = leaf" is a common association. And considering there are 1000 Pokémon, any design inspired by a real world animal will look similar to a Pokémon at some point, just like the Simpsons has so many episodes it's literally impossible to find a concept that hasn't been already explored by them.
The problem is that you can literally point out which parts of Dinossum were taken from which Pokémon 3D model just by a glance. We're not into getting inspiration there, or common associations, we enter assets stealing territory.
And it's obvious they didn't make them from scratch when the 3D models quality in the game is so inconsistent. Sure weird how their 3D modelists can replicate the Pokémon style perfectly on their own, but their humans look straight out of Fortnite. Definitively doesn't scream shovelware.
@ellebora8536 I think the pokemon company and pocket pair ink know the copyright laws of Japan, the nation they are in far better than you. If there was a problem do you really think considering everything the pokemon company has made claims against, they would have done so the pocket pair?
The amount of pokémon connections that are glaringly obvious and completely missed is paining me 😭😭😭
The biggest one I've seen so far is where he missed the luxray and zarude hybrid
@@mossthebryophyterbiggest one for me was right out of the gate, with the starly recolor 💀
penguins are clearly piplup
@@eme120ep I mean, Pengullet is just a penquin. The fact that it’s blue doesn’t really make it a Piplup ripoff. It has a very distinct design from Piplup, and they pretty much color all the Pals to match their element, so that can explain the blue.
Why has NO ONE mentioned that Azzurro is just Milotic??? Straight-up, a blue Milotic. Like dang, y'all.
The cow is not lawsuit tier
Truthfully. Lots of the pals feel familiar, yet are not. Also unless it is added. The pals do not evolve at least not yet... and unknown if this will be added or not. That said... I will say that there are a lot of pals that are familiar, Yet are removed from the pokemon franchise enough that Game freak/nintendo can't hit them for it. At least not easily.
Also lots of the ones saying that some mon are the same or same enough nintendo could sue happen to be salty game devs that are parts of failing game corporations. though Not all of them are. Some could be nintendo pokemon stands.
@@mightypancake2211
There's an "evolution" mechanic in Palworld, but it doesn't change how the pal looks. It just increases their stats/skills by condensing a bunch of other pals of the same type.
And honestly, putting the cow in "lawsuit tier?" Nobody owns the copyright for "cow". That one was ridiculous.
I think the cow one was a joke
@@wumpusrat Calling what is effectively a gacha star rank system "evolution" is really stretching it dude. "Oh, your 0 star Cattiva can become a 1 star Cattiva if you get 4 more cattiva and sacrifice them to rank it up. Now you gotta get 16 for a 2 star. Now you gotta get 32 for a 3 star! 64 cattiva for a 4 star!"
That's not evolution, that's a gacha game's attempt to make pulling dupes worthwhile, but placed into a game that doesn't use predatory marketing to try to get you to spend wild amounts of money to get max characters.
The cow was very clearly a joke.
I feel like a good half of the *original tier are just copies of pokemon that you aren't personally familiar with lol..
Fr same with the samurai bird at the end of the video its recoulered corviknight same model
true that crow at 14:20 is just Murkrow with plague mask
@@youngbuck49 Honestly though, if that was in anything other than a pokemon-like game, you probably wouldn’t make that correlation whatsoever
Yeah I noticed Cattiva's model looks very similar to Pancham's model, the eyes gave it away for me.
Yeah, and the teacup elephant thing is quite similar looking to Munna
At 30:00 you did miss something that pal Is like a Tangrowth and Abomasnow fusion
How tf you gonna say Elizabee is too obscure when half of pokemon, palworld, and the whole monster catching genre name things in the exact same way? They're all puns based on nature or culture. If you don't get them you don't get them. But Queen Elizabeth of all things is obscure?
I... assume he somehow didn't know queen elizabeth the second just passed away... somehow, and looked up that 80 years ago, Queen Elizabeth, The Queen Mother, roamed the world. Good ol' "never account to malice what can be explain by ignorance"
I watched the entire video, but I'm still wondering if that was meant to be a joke or not.
@@cblancha1187 Plus, there's plenty of movies about Elizabeth (the Virgin Queen) so I think it's fair that non-Brit should understand a pun
If you showed these to someone 5 years ago they would’ve just assumed they were new Pokémon generations lol
Grintale, both the name and the eye and mouth design are a reference to the Chesire cat. Honestly I think the design would need it's own tier: Different idea, same execution.
That would be a fair point, but the assets for the eyes and mouth are virtually rips from Galarian Meowth.
@@RealLifeIronMan Except that when you closely compare the eyes of the 3d models they are in fact different shapes and coloration and not a rip from Galarian Meowth, hence my statement.
@@PivotCyroy I respect your perspective, but the shape and coloration differences in the eyes are too minor to my mind. But I can see where you are coming from.
when i see it i think of catbus from Totoro
@@dijatoll Very coincidentally the catbus was also inspired by the Cheshire Cat.
Pokemon fans fans when a pal looks like an IRL animal (OMG COPYRIGHT COPYRIGHT COPYRIGHT BAD GAME STEALIJG SUEEEEEEE" like holy crap yall chilllll. There are only so many models you can create based off of animals.
I'm sad that you're saying that Rayhound is suspicious when it's literally just a pun on a grayhound as an electric dog
Im honestly pretty upset you said the fire horse is similar to rapidash, but didn’t mention that theyre based off the horsemen of the apocalypse more specifically war
I'm actually pretty certain it's based off of a Chinese mythical creature (but I'm not Chinese so I don't know the name) because it has black scales like a dragon. And Pyrin also has scales.
I'm pretty sure it's a kirin, with is a Japanese unicorn with dragon aspects, sometimes depicted with fire
Fire horse is an extremely common design trope. I feel like I personally need to do one of these tier lists because I KEEP seeing people siting Pokémon designs that are actually just very old tropes. My tip is that if it’s also in Dungeons and Dragons, they’re totally in the clear. See Nightmare for DnD’s local “horse on fire”.
They are based off the Qilin from chinese mythology.
Lets also think of the ramifications here: "fire + horse = pokemon". No FU it doesn't, you can't own the most basic and generic of design ideas lol. The idea that one game did something as simple as "used animal + element" or "based design off of existing thing" means they suddenly own that idea or any adaptions is just....honestly hella dystopian. Might as well just sell us all to Disney now.
That Anubis section actually cracked me up with the whole public domain bit.
this was incredible, really i have no idea how did you manage to miss so many obvious reference from pokemon, and also putting original design in similar like Depresso and Bushi wich should go in original and same idea respectfully.
30:12 Wumpo (if that is how it's spelled) looks straight from those Gold and Silver beta pokemon sprites that got released a while back. It was beta mons that were cut from the game. It looks like the two stage mon that is wearing a fur of another creature. Ewok style shadow circle eyes. Sharp claws. Very similar. Wumpo looks like they added some blue patterns, and took out some features from the beta sprites
and that would mean they probably dont have the design copyrighted.
Abomasnow?
With some of these, I see a completely different two pokemon being refrenced in the design than what you'd mentioned, which may just be because even the pokemon company lazily rips off their own design and recently have stopped even trying to hide it with the "Forms". But overall, agreeable.
To be fair, galarian meowth is just a Cheshire Cat face. It’s possible the assets were copied, but it’s also just an anime version of the picture from the book.
On top of the fact that "shark mouth" is just a generic anime kinda of mouth. Like the one fang type of mouth.
As someone who stopped following pokemon after gen 4, i dont mind ripoffs of all the new pokemon cause they werent memorable to begin with
1:43 You say it's not ripping anything off, but that's totally the same design as real life chickens. Personally, if I were mother nature I'd sue.
It rips off Zelda cuckoo design
Unironically the majority of this video in a nutshell.
The electric zebra idea is based on the Kirin. It’s a very popular Japanese mythological creature. Kirin is often portrayed as a giraffe, horse, or hoofed animal mixed with a lightening dragon.
so...rayhound looks like lucario...yuore...joking right?
@@tigerfalco wtf are you yapping about? Who tf mentioned rayhound or lucario? I was talking about Univolt being based on a Kirin.
I clicked on the wrong comment when I was typing the reply, my b
Wait the electric zebra is the kirin? I think the fire horse lookes way waaaay more kirin, to the point that calling it just rapidash but black is simply incorrect.
@@serpentmaster1323 Kirin is most commonly portrayed as having a lightening nature (by Japanese, idk about Chinese depictions).
21:17 I am surprised that you didn’t say meganium for it as it is meganium’s head/face it is pretty an exact copy of it’s face and it’s eyes and colour palette on goodra’s body with a flower on its head. 28:42 while this is the same idea as meganium the first one has its face.
actually surprised you didnt say cinnamoth was a ripoff of butterfree for being a bug type with this list
Dude's like: "This pal looks like this pokemon! Completely original!"
Important to the discussion is *_how many pokemon are blatant ripoffs of older jrpg's?_* If Nintendo is going to bring up "we think you copied our design," they bring possible backlash, when the original source material _nintendo copied_ comes out in defense as being their inspiration.
Note that I'm not saying palworld isn't blatantly trying to look similar. I'm saying Nintendo's 'unique' ideas are instead common tropes. For example, how many jrpg's have lightning wolves, dogs, foxes, etc. Fire horses? Also very common. These ideas are _common_ in Japanese mythology. (and other mythologies too)
Diglet? I remember thinking, "oh, i've seen that design in another game before."
Part of what pokemon has done - is cheaply throw whatever hash of ideas together, often directly pulled from other inspirations. What is the style of pokemon? Is it so unique?
*If you showed someone unfamiliar a picture of Kirby, would they know he's not a pokemon?*
The style isn't that unique. It's within the subset of common Chibi styles.
So what is pokemon's style? It's a style of chibi with an overemphasis on simplistic round or oval shapes, heavy use of V's and Zigzags, heavy reuse and cut and pasting, postures accentuated or completely removed, any thin or lanky features made excessively so, any hair is either excessively accentuated or smoothed away. The people are an obvious anime style including the either exaggerated spiky hair, excessively soft and curly, or exceptionally neat smooth hair.
There's a difference between using animal + elemental as a design basis, and releasing Fenglope as a Pal over 13 years after Cobalion was introduced with Black and White. That's all I'm gonna say.
@@christiancinnabars1402fully agree. Dragon Quest's mons look wildly different because the art style is so different, Pokémon may have used similar inspirations but actually changed the designs a lot. Palworld put in the exact Pokémon style into a gritty environment and it just clashes really hard.
@@christiancinnabars1402Palworld wiki says "Fenglope with its cloud theming and level-up skillset including many water moves may partially be inspired by the Fuzhu, a mythical deer from Chinese mythology that is associated with floods and weather change." I'm probably not going to convince you of anything, but if you feel like looking up fuzhu, you'll get more results with " 夫诸 " than using English. To me, yea the colours are too insanely similar to be a coincidence, but they definitely look like different creatures to me with wildly different body shapes, and different themes.
I haven't played Palworld, so I'm not familiar with all the pals, but when you showed Azurobe I was STUNNED you didn't mention Milotic or Dragonaire because there are very clearly some elements taken from those two as well.
This is actually missing the mark a bit for this exact reason. Other than a few painfully agonizing copy/pastes like Cremis literally being Gigantimax Eevee but wooly instead of furry, the rest of them are not "its obviously *insert Pokemon*". Almost every single one of them is an amalgamation of stitched together existing animal parts.
He gave the grass squirrel and Cattiva an immediate pass because they don't 1 for 1 match an existing Pokemon model, while ignoring the individual pieces being replicas of Pokemon's pieces (Jigglypuff and Lefeon come to mind.)
Even Pals like the squirrel/cat thing having Raichu's tail ignores the face that it's face and whiskers are Zeraora's.
@@drawingdragon yeah most of the pals look like they just fused two pokemon together moreso than copying one individual pokemon.
I mean there's only so many ways you can make a long sea serpent creature.
@@yawningabyss681so... double plagiarism
That's because those pokemon game out before gen 5 lol
Shadowbeak's ring hip not being recognized as stealing from Arceus and Paladius head literally being Ceruledge is absolutely insane
The single snaggle tooth is a japanese trope called "Yaeba" and tends to be considered cute/cool. Definitely similar face to weavile though.
Somehow you missed the Blaziken legs on Robinquill. xD