Ameterasu from Okami is NOT based on a kitsune! The kitsune does appear in the game, but Ameterasu is the name of the sun goddess and the form she has taken is a wolf, not a fox. Japanese wolves are extinct. Wolves were thought to have mystical powers and some were even worshipped as either deities or messengers of deities. The reason Ammy is fiery is solely because she's supposed to be the sun goddess.
is the fur/face paint not the same design element as like the ones on kitsune & other traditional masks/art though? i assumed that's the connection he was making
I will go to bat for Floppie; it was shown in a trailer before Tinkaton's design was publicly known or even leaked. It could not possibly have been based on Tinkaton and the fact they look anything alike is simply a huge coincidence. It deserves to move up one tier at least, possibly even two because without the "Tinkaton fusion" elements it's not really that much like Sylveon either.
@@bastionsea2829 and how were the Palworld devs supposed to know about it in order to plagiarize it, then? Garbage tierlist. But then again, it's a Pokemon fanboy channel.
@@LichCrypt exactly my point, something could be apparently 'pokemon inspired' while the devs didn't see it, but Twitter will still claim it was copied Also, calling Lockstin a 'pokemon fanboy channel' is being REALLY shortsighted
And coincidentally sheep who grow a ton of wool on them become round and fluffy in shape. People saying "There are so many ways to draw a cartoon ship and they picked this one" are just ignoring the entire concept of caricature...
yeah I've seen sheep mons that used rolling attacks in multiple RPGs. it's not exclusively pokemon. Heck, some of the are even way before gen 8 even released.
Yeah, when I saw Lamball, I did realise it is sorta similar to Wooloo, but while Wooloo is a great and beloved pokemon, the aspects of "sheep but round and rolling" is not original enough. And apart from this detail, Lamball has pretty much no copied aspects
Nah, I’m fine with penking. However they DEFINITELY should have renamed Digtoise to either Rotortoise or Rotatoise. I mean it’s a tortoise that rotates really fast!
Same. It would be great if the online discussion over Palworld design was more like correcting a rough draft of a good paper. It’s a paper that would get a C or B as is, but with some polish it could be thesis material.
I want to point out that flopie was in one of the first trailers that released before scarlet and violet were and before we knew what tinkaton looked like.
This kind of stuff just makes me wonder if it's less Palworld stealing from Pokemon, and more just Pokemon having a ton of super generic designs and over a thousand Pokemon (and especially counting megas, g-max, and Hisuan/Alolan versions) so you could have someone who has never heard of Pokemon or seen one in their life draw an anime creature with some sort of elemental gimmick and it would look just as much like a Pokemon.
@@blackfang0815 The fact over 1000 of them exist makes it easy to claim any "catchable monster" looks like a pokemon. Game Freak will eventually do gen 10 and even more designs will come along which fanboys will claim can't be stolen/copied/derived from.
I gonna bat for Jolthog here. Its not that its just copying Shaymin, its that they are both uninspired designs. They are both just an actual hedgehog, but the spikes are an element. Heck, pokemon made a better hedgehog inspired pokemon with Togademaru, the hedgehog is clear, but different enough. Shaymin is lazy in that its just hedgehog but literally hedge, the hedgehog shape doesn't even change, its head, its back, its legs, its all just real life hedgehog. If Jolthog had a another Pal thats supposed to be its counterpart, and that counterpart looks more like a deer, like how Shaymin sky form is, then fine I will accept thats its a copy. But it doesn't, its just an electric hedgehog. So in my opinion, its shouldn't be F tier. I do think that "Since its palworld" criticism is coming a bit too much in some of these.
I love the distinction that they're both unoriginal. Call it what it is. PalWorld is just Pokemon with guns. Down to the philosophy of stealing ideas. Pot taking notes from Kettle. That's what this is, and people need to stop pretending Pokemon is this innocent IP that hasn't done the exact same thing for a long time. You can love the games and series, and find originality in both, but there are clearly a lot of uninspired ideas here and there. If we don't have the courage to call them out, can we really take ourselves seriously as gamers? 6:59 Never forget this. Also, I love the design of Jolthog, and it may have one of my favorite abilities. I can forgive it's lack of originality for the ability to throw an exploding hedgehog at dudes.
@@Aflay1 This is unrelated to the bulk of your comment but I want to say, I really liked "Pot taking notes from the kettle" i'm absolutely using that phrase going forward
About Chillet: how would you make a ferret creature? ferrets look a certain way regardless. there's no way around it, it will look like Furret in shape
I agree furret is such an unoriginal design of a ferret. all it does is change the fur pattern and flaten the face. At least chillet has a much more dynamic design and combination of creatures with the clear influence from axolotls and with far more exaggerated ears and a far more exaggerated facial structure and more sculpted body with a clearly thinner neck that expands into the body. Chillet is far more creative and original than furret.
@@TopOfAllWorldsby "the exact same features" do you mean the body? Cause that's really the only similarity between them, is long body, which is just what ferrets are known for. It isn't even the same type
don't you know? According to internet people (who are defo real people and not bots farming outrage clicks), Nintendo owns shapes of all anime-fied animals, color schemes and fantasy concepts. No, literally, try drawing anything, and there's some asshat with nothing better to do run it against 1000+ pokemon and xyz million fakemon to prove you stole something because the shape of the curve you used somewhere is similar to how someone else did a curve. At what point do people stop caring about baseless accusations? If everything is plagiarized, nothing is. You have several times bigger chance of winning a lottery than coming up with a completely original thing nobody ever thought of before. There are countless billions of pictures on the internet. And just how ppl stopped caring about being called nazis on the internet by the lefty activists for... literally everything under the sun, most people also stopped caring if something looks vaguely similar to something else. Except for ppl whose lives are so empty they have nothing better to do. And if it's parody, it's even more clear cut. It's just internet slobs have no sense of humor, only an incessant need for internet upvotes (or downvotes, clicks are clicks)
In defense of Chillet, both it and Furret are basically just big ferrets so I wouldn't say that Chillet is just a pokemon when the pokemon is just an animal.
On Google Images, look up Pokemon Dragonquest Copy, one of the first few pictures shows DIRECT copies of Dragonquest creatures that Pokemon were. Koffing, Ghastly, Dragonite, etc were ALREADY copies themselves.
Yeah that's the one I DISAGRRE WITH STRONGLY. So many pal that look identical to pokémon but that one's a ferret come on it's not literally furret it's fairly original
I'm bothered by his opinion of that white electric porcupine being F tier. Yes, it may share some similarities, but in no way is it a ripoff, because, palworld.
So far the only ones I hard disagree with are Chillet (It's an ice ferret Dragon. Pokemon don't own ferrets. by your other metrics, this one is being done injustice.) And Flopie For literally being revealed before Tinkaton. Also, Loupmoon has Absols face. Orzerk has Garchomps head, bodyshape and stance - It's an Electric Orca Dragon instead of a Ground Shark Dragon, so it's literally the inverse, which is neat honestly. Some of these thou, they're clearly getting ranked higher or lower then they should b/c of your personal opinion, which is fine honestly.
Yeah, him going "Arsox is pretty unique, but this one random ass fangame did something similar, so it's a blatant copy." Like huh?! I wanted to stop watching right then and there, but I had to finish it. Then Chillet, my precious little boi. I don't even want to talk about Chillet.
"There is no such thing as bad publicity If you want something to fail follow these steps simply; Number one shut up." Is maybe the most iconic thing Lockstin has ever said.
I just hope people don't start parroting this without context just so they can rebutt on an argument online regardless if it's applicable or not. It's still okay to call out immoral acts as long as we're doing so with honesty (his words as well). It'd be harmful if people just stopped speaking up in moments where it's much needed. Lots of people go into online debates only to one-up the other guy, so they would use every quote and post they've seen as ammunition rather than having an honest discussion, much like how both sides of the palworld v pokemon debate goes, and much like the potential misuse of this particular quote from Lockstin as well.
@@spacejunk2186 yess, and it's called infamy. Unfortunately, people don't necessarily support/withdraw support for something because it's moral or not, and so most of the time infamy only really separate those who don't care from those who do, and not push away a whole fanbase entirely.
Right? The only similarity is that they are both long. Which is the defining thing about ferrets that tells you it is a ferret. There is no way to make a ferret monster short. It wouldn't be a ferret anymore.
There are many , it's considered a copy when a lot . I mean a lot of design elements match up Like the espurr eyes thing, that's dumb . But ferret , yeah that's copy
@@sinnohperson8813 "design elements match up??" Jesus guys yall have to be blind to not see the different between a brown furret and a blue dragon chillet holy crap, even he compares that electric hedgehog and it still gets a higher rank than chillet
@@lawless7512comparing furret to other cartoon ferrets, the hands, legs ( generally ferret designs have bigger legs), standing pose and especially the big tail is quite unique to furret. I think chillet looks like an edited furret 3d model with different head design. They have the same iconic furret walking animation.
i would make an argument for some of these just being irl animals and neither design being all that original. chillet is just a ferret, jolthog is just a hedgehog, direhowl is just a wolf. those pals looking like furret, shaymin, and lycanroc are just because they are also just a ferret, hedgehog, and wolf.
They should have made Wixen a dog pyromancer so the Wixen and Katress rivalry made sense and so it wouldn't be so close to looking like the Delphox line.
Issue with that.. vixen is last half of the name. If you gotta change the species then gotta change the name too.. Wog?.. dizard?.. dozard?.. I dk what name would work in that.
I completely lost it when I saw you pick up the firefox and use it as a flamethrower. It's a perfect combination of cartoon antics and that machinegun cat meme, and I have no idea why I have never seen this concept executed with Pokemon.
As a die hard pokemon fan that also understands GF needs to improve in their ways, thank you for making this video. You have eloquently put into video form all the arguments as to why i love palworld AND pokemon and why whatever happens in the end (lawsuit or not) this is for the BETTER of the monster taming community. It is literally a WIN-WIN for everyone. Its ok guys, you are allowed to enjoy both Pokemon and Palworld while also recognizing one needs to put in more effort like they used to in the past, and the other one SEVERELY lacks originality (at best lmao). Thank you so so much for this Lockstin!
They should actually do more of these 99% copy Pals. The Verdash copy is actually a 10 for me as I prefer Sepak Takraw to Football, so I have this head-canon that he weaves ratan balls for his attacks.
At this point the lawsuit and all the legal stuff going in the background are just rumours and threats, I hope that this never reaches a courtroom, because in worst case scenario Gamefreak and Nintendo will win, just because they have more money to toss around, and that will mean that a lot of people will be discouraged to try and oppose them again, which will really stifle the game industry more than what it already is, and in best case scenario Pocketpair wins, and that really inspires a ton of developers and people, to start making games and such that rival Nintendo's ideas and things, and then we get a big boom of games, and possibly Pocketpair continues to develop for Pal World, where since its still in early access the sky is really the limit for its potential. I mainly hope that nothing really happens though, since the current status quo is pretty good, and the negative outcomes are just too bad for them to become a reality.
Hold on! Ōkami's Amaterasu is NOT a kitsune! She's closer to the Ōkuchi-no-Makami, the deified Japanese wolf. The kitsune of that game, the creatively-named Nine-Tails, is an entirely different character. Edit: Just want to say I DO enjoy this vid. I just wanted to point out that one little discrepancy. Overall, good work!
Tombat is Tom from Tom and Jerry turned into a bat. The floating sushi looks like the ones from PacMan. Surprised he didn't point those out and even gave Tombat S tier.
27:28 When I was in Iceland we went on a tour and they talked about how sheep get down hills. Apparently a lot of sheep can’t climb downwards well so they tumble and roll. Does it mean Palworld was basing it off of this real world thing? No, but it’s just a thing I figured id point out
there are tons of ways to stylize a ferret, there are tons of ways palworld could have stylized chillet to make it not look like furret, but they didnt. they could have changed the shape of the front paws, gave it actual limbs, made a more clear distinction between the tail and the body, changed the shape of the feet, added claws, made the body thinner, changed the position of the front paws, literally ANY of these, but nope, they stylized it the exact same way pokemon did. heck, *i've* designed ferret creatures before, and even with my pokemon-esque art style they still turned out completely different looking than furret
@@soulcyclone360 it wasn't just one design choice, a character design is comprised of a number of components. Copying just one or two is totally fine, but when you copy nearly all of them, then it's a problem.
@@BlackTempleGaurdian hah thanks, sorry for dumping a wall of text on you, I'm a 3d modeler and character designer so this is something I'm passionate about, but I definitely realize a lot of people do not care lol
How does dragon ferret get so low on yours, but the wolf that high? Yeah, the wolf is just any anime wolf, but the dragon ferret is basically just an anime ferret with dragon features. I think of furret seeing it, but I don't actually SEE furret in it between generic anime ferret and dragon features. And there's still plenty of ways to make an anime wolf stand out more, I mean, I absolutely saw theirs and immediately thought "that's lycanroc at home."
Eh, when I first saw the wolf pal, I didn't even think about Lycanroc. The first thing that came into mind for me was Wolf Link from Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess.
Admittedly I'm extremely confused by your thought process behind most of these picks, with Eikthyrdeer it's "this is S tier because it's just a cartoon animal pokemon already did and they dont own said animal" but then with Jolthog/Chillet it's "this is F tier cuz it's just a cartoon animal pokemon already did and knowing the devs they were just ripping it off". Same with a bunch of other designs where it's "pokemon doesn't own fire horses" and "this is an ice moth so it's frosmoth" like come on lol.
I feel the whole "considering the game we're talking about" point really starts falling flat when nearly 90% of the D&F tiers use that justification for being "ripoffs" despite them being fairly generic furry/cartoon animal designs you'd see anywhere else
Especially with jolthog it a largely different concept on the same animal chillet has a better argument of it being a rip off in my opinion but not by much
@@snailymitch Well he is a youtuber and he needs something to work with which is why he had to do something like that, but from the way he was talking he did seem to be reluctant to bash on some of the designs, since the guy is really passionate about monster collecting games.
@@asimhussain8716 Yeah, I can agree to that, but at least Lockstin actually made some effort for his video, unlike most of what's currently out there for Pal World, where everyone just jumped on the hype train to make a quick buck, and there's ton of videos that are not even worth watching, such as the ones that are just cheap reaction videos.
The Bushi one was really stupid. I mean yes, a samurai isn`t overly creative, but how the hell is Bushi in any way like Mawile? They both have wide leg pants? Because that`s the only similarity i can see. High B or low A.
if what i heard is correct the tinkaton looking one should be higher. palworld had a trailer that showed it off before we knew about tinkaton's existance. whom copied whoom here?
My favorite thing about Anubis is trying to point out something actually matches Lucario aside from the silhouette The legs have a different number of joints and different pants. its hand have human fingers and arm guards. Its chest has that clothing piece. the face patter is fairly different. The tail is different. And the color scheme is different. Look at all the check features Lucario has that it doesn't. No shoulder wheels, extra spikes, fluffy shorts?, and no dread things. Rayhound is far worse imo and never gets talked about. People just hate Anubis because its on the cover and everyone really likes Lucario.
Or, you know Bothering to literally take 10 seconds googling to see what Anubis is. Dude doesn't seem to realize the Pal Anubis is just cutified Anubis, the Egyptian God. So is Lucario but Anubis is more... literally just Anubis.
For those who don't know. Sheep as well known to roll on Thier backs. When the wool gets too dense it can cause Thier balance to be thrown off and they will fall down and roll on their backs making it difficult to get back up. It is very dangerous for them to be near hills and cliffs because they can end up rolling down them. The idea of a sheep ball that rolls around comes from the cartoonist interpretation of this.
Why were FPS games able to escape the “DOOM clone” stigma, but creature collectors haven’t been able to escape the “Pokémon clone” stigma? Most of them have nothing else in common with Pokémon
Lamball doesn’t roll because woolo rolls, woolo rolls because sheep roll. They both roll because sheep are literally known for rolling onto their backs and getting stuck.
There are definitely some similarities that you can rule it was “inspired” by Pokémon but I feel like some of them are just concepts or creatures from myth that Pokémon obviously took from somewhere else too like people say lucario and Anubis. Bro it’s literally taken from Egypt mythology Anubis it isn’t just a Pokémon thing also chillet is a ice dragon ferret they look similar because it is based on the same thing Pokémon doesn’t have claim over all ferret lookalike creatures
The pal at 18:42, I don't think we can compare pals with 9g pokémon, it depend of when the pal was created before the release of Palworld as we know TInkakon only since november 2022 and Palworld is in developpment since longer
Same for the two pals at 30:40, I do think that this is a pure coincidence if they were created before the release of the trailer for Scarlet and Violet who showed Armarouge and Ceruledge. However if these two pals were created like AFTER the release of the Scarlet and Violet games, yes they are copies of Armarouge and Ceruledge but as centaurs.
The hedgehog one is literally just a cartoon hedgehog though. Hell i have one right next to me that looks exactly the same and its from a grow your own crystal hedgehog kit.
Do I have to bring up Seel the pokemon is LITERALLY a seal? Or Ratatta and Raticate are literally just rats? Butterfree is just a butterfly? Krabby is just an uninspired crab along with Kinglar? Horsea being a literal seahorse? Pokemon is littered with 'cartoon animal designs with 0 alteration' and that was me only using Gen 1 and not even the full 150.
I work at a pet store we sell a particular brand of toy called "fluff and tuff" they have a hedgehog toy that is a great example of how basic hedgehogs look. They toy lacks legs and you could slap a bush on it and sell it as shaymin.
14:00 Hard disagree on Chillet. Ferret designs aren't owned by Pokemon, and as you said, there are only so many ways to design something based on an animal without it not being that animal anymore. 14:56 Also hard disagree on Depresso. 15:30 The cloud gods are from Japanese folklore and not invented by Nintendo. 24:40 Also hard disagree on that. Nintendo doesn't own the concept of a hedgehog. 25:05 This is Leviathan concept. Nobody owns that. 25:40 Your argument "Because it's Palworld, it's a rip off" is just biased BS making me question why you did this tier list at all. 31:20 You are being ridiculous. 37:58 That's not a dog, looks more like a sheep. And Pokemon doesn't own the concept of making candy animals.
@@koruyamashimada9094 Have you never seen a ferret run or stand on its hind legs? I think they're cute and Pirate Software has like, 6 ferrets he shows on streams sometimes.
Ranking the pals on originality while pulling from so many different media is kind of an unfair move since barely anything will apear original with that many designs to compare to.
@ 12:24 he compares a design that literally doesn't exist in pokemon saying "If mawhile was a samurai". Like they literally look nothing alike other than some collor scheme slightly. I don't know pokemon vary well but I see it as it is. Nothing is similar.
@@Hugo-yz1vb according to the developers Giratina is supposed to represent antimatter. Now of course it can be multiple things, but this still means it's misleading to call it literally the devil. It also didn't rebel against Arceus, it was banished for being too violent (and only after this desired to challenge Arceus for a time).
@@Ryodraco Who says that violence wasn't him rebelling aganist Arceus? And yeah, I love the antimatter inspirations and elements as well, but the "being banished to the Shadow Realm because I did and oopsie uh oh stinky" part is too good to not be true
15:10 I disagree on pokemon inventing those cloud thing. It's a Eastern portrayal of demi gods and deity who mostly appear in the sky riding clouds. Imagine sun wukong riding on cloud, a human from below can only see above torso because the flying nimbus is covering the legs. That's why one piece kaido dragon doesn't fly but actually generate cloud that he grabs and walk.
yeah I see a lot Asian Gods depicted standing or riding clouds. Heck Lakitu has been around since Mario 1 and I think Gaijin Goombah actually covered this way back when he was on gametheory.
@@jonathanflanagan1504 yes the Japanese has those demi god depicted that way. Normal oni is just giant brutes eating humans. These magical oni have "job" as gods. Creating thunder, lightning and rain. Google raijin and fujin. One piece Enel himself with his back drum circles and luffy gear fourth smoke ribbon are a reference to these gods.
Yea...some of them started to go out there. I thought it was going to be how original they were compared to Pokemon, but then they started comparing them to other things. And then a lot of their lower placements were literally "It would be fine in any other game but because it's in Palworld, it's a blatant rip-off."
Yeah I got really confused towards the end. He started rating things based on concepts, some pokemon hasn't even done but he still rated them low. Pokemon does 'just an animal' all the time, bur he rated the kirin Pal low because it is 'just a kirin'... even though pokemon never did that creature before. Others were just 'this is the same animal as a pokemon. It isn't actually like any pokemon, but..." The t pot elephant and the electric dog ones confused the heck out of me. Somewhere someone has come up with the same concept. The execution is what matters. The other ones were comparing body parts. Like, yeah. Most fox will have a evee like tail because evee just has a fox tail, and looks like a fox. Whalelored is just a big whale. Furret is just a ferret. Anything based on those animals will look similar.
I thought it was pretty clear from the start. Yes, a good portion of the comparison is doing direct Pokemon comparisons, but he also brings in things from other franchises and otherwise bland or uninspired/unoriginal ideas. That's what the tiers are.
Good luck to anyone in the future who's trying to make not just original fictional creatures, but good creature designs, without ripping off Pokemon, Digimon, or furries.
And based off of some comments, studio ghibli, YU-GI-OH, monster hunter, every fakemon ever created, final fantasy, classic American literature, every fantasy game ever created and every animal ever drawn in a certain artstyle.
I will say in regards to the ‘Pokemon never tries anything different’ thing, there are tons of spinoffs that do try different genres with Pokemon, but they often never sell as much as the main series, and it’s not due to a lack of quality in most cases. I do agree GameFreak should take bigger steps towards evolving the series, Arceus is a prime example of what they can do if they choose to. But I can also understand that straying too far away from Pokemon’s core tends to result in numbers that don’t compare to the basic turn based battles. I do hope that this does push them to consider trying further innovation or genre experimentation. If Final Fantasy made a smooth jump from turn-based to another form of RPG, Pokemon can too.
I think the main problem with getting rid of turn based gameplay for pokemon is that at the end of the day its still made with kids in mind, and younger kids have an easier time with turn based gameplay, it allows kids to understand the game better and not get frustrated to the point of not wanting to play it, yes would it be a nice change for older gamers yes, but I think the turn based gameplay is what allows pokemon to be a game for everyone
@@manen2391something I suggested was simply improving the turn based to be more interesting but still core and easy to grasp for new players. Or better yet what many have suggested for years, difficulty settings. If they could pull off two game modes for two different difficulties for different players, it'd be perfect
I do believe it was said in a didyouknowgaming video that pokemon is purposefully made to be a game accessible to everyone. It has to be easy enough for kids to play and simple enough for old people to operate. Granted, on the old people side, we're talking mostly computer illiterate folks which was a lot of people 20-30 years ago so that might not apply as much now. On changing gameplay, it's extremely difficult because every single move is tied to the turn-based nature of the combat. Unlike Final Fantasy (and many similar games) where the turn-based combat fairly gives each side a chance to do their turns, Pokemon has turn-based combat where both sides choose their moves and the timing and order of actions is acted out. Pokemon battles then play more like Magic: The Gathering matches than traditional jrpg battles. (Put another way, pokemon battles simulate a full round of combat between the player and the enemy per action rather than doing a "my turn, your turn" thing.) Therein lies the difficulty (and also the reason why Pokemon Conquest made sense as a spin-off).
I hate they way people disrespect turn based RPGs. Pokemon being a Turn Based RPG isn't the issue, that's the series's genre, it's like being mad that mainline Mario games are platformers and not FPSs. Pokemon's issue is the severely sloppy incompetent management, half baked ideas, rushed releases, and unprofesional apathy. They are shaking up changes recently, and do have very good ideas at times, but never reach their potential due to being incompetent programmers/designers with impossible deadlines and work ethic. Scarlet/Violet have so many fantastic elements, but they're buried in a tangled mess of abyssmal coding, and half finished ideas, that ruin the experince for so many people and are a hard pill to swallow even for enjoyers. A rwal time Pokemon game cpuld be really cool, But SV's concepts were great and had creativity to them, issue is, it was never handled with any form of care, and was left a tangled broken mess without it's potential realized and so many glaring flaws weiging it down.
Chillet’s placement is by far the most egregious. I can definitely see the similarities to Furret. But they by no means look the exact same. At the very least, I’d put it in high C-tier. Also, some of your reasonings basically boil down to “this is mostly original but because it’s in Palworld it’s clearly copying Pokémon”.
I think the big thing that keeps bugging me about the Palworld vs Pokemon debate is so many people saying 'This is what Pokemon should have done already.' I wouldn't mind one bit if Pokemon made a more action/survival game as a spinoff similar to Palworld but I cannot stress enough how heartbreaking it would be to me if they just completely dropped turn-based gameplay for the mainline series. I understand it's not everyone's cup of tea, but being able to take my time, get to know what my mons can do, seeing them grow throughout the journey of the main game... It's Comfort Food gaming to me. I'd ESPECIALLY hate to see the state of Competitive Pokemon without turn-based combat, completely losing the strategic elements the system offers. I'm SO stoked folks who enjoy Third-Person-Shooter/Survival gameplay have a fun monster collector they can sink their teeth into... But I absolutely don't want mainline Pokemon to become that.
I think people are mostly talking about the open world and creature interations/animations. The guns are nice but people have wanted the above stuff more.
@@JDReC100 THIS! How are people missing this obvious point when people say "Pokemon should've done this by now". And ALWAYS people point out the survival mechanics/gameplay as some sort of deflection. XD NOBODY ever asked for pokemon to be a survival game
@@D3adCl0wnthen that distinction should be made in the first place. You don't get to call an animal shooting game inherently better than Pokemon without context.
They can keep turn base game and still make another game based on the same ip. Like league of legends has TFT and trading card game other than their moba. Blizzard World of warcraft mmo, warcraft rts, blizzard moba, hearthstone.
The battle system in Palworld is garbage. The type system and move pool of pals are simplistic. There is no strategy, just spam whatever designated attack the pal has and hope it dmgs enough. The pal combat was definitely an afterthought compared to even something like the building mechanic. Palworld should fix that gameplay cause it gets boring really fast.
"... and what do you make your cotton candy sweet monster? A fluffly dog? Just like Pokemon did?" A fluffly d- a dog? If anyone thinks that's a dog, no one can help you, lol. Though now that you mention it, I was starting to wonder what it was that makes dogs so different than cats, and it must be those big ram horns they all have. I mean dog horns. I've never really noticed it before now. And that fluffy wool, just like dogs too. You know, Mr. Burns from the Simpsons might have been on to something wanting to make that dog wool tux.
The rabbit hole goes even deeper. If birds are government drones, and the rights to birds are owned by Pokémon, that means that Pokémon is the shadow government
@@madnessarcade7447 On Google Images, look up Pokemon Dragonquest Copy, one of the first few pictures shows DIRECT copies of Dragonquest creatures that Pokemon were. Koffing, Ghastly, Dragonite, etc were ALREADY copies themselves. If you're going to call out Palworld, you better call out Pokemon itself too or you're just a hypocrite.
The people saying "Oh I can't wait for Nintendo to sue Palworld" really don't understand. There was the whole extremely strict Japanese copyright laws you mentioned in the video, but also the original trailer for the game came out around 2 and a half to 3 years before early access dropped with many of the "just copy paste" pals being shown off in that trailer including several of the extremely bad examples that aren't even in the early access. That means GameFreak had about 3 years to do anything but chose not to, most likely cause they can't
It is kinda funny, though, that when the Pokémon Company announced they were investigating a game that was infringing on their copyright, everyone thought it was about Palworld, when in fact it was about a completely different game that was way more blatant. The most vocal people in both communities are annoying. Pokémon fans being way too territorial over the idea of monster collection. Palworlders being weirdly gleeful over the idea that this game is somehow going to topple Pokémon, despite being a completely different experience. Thankfully both groups are just minority factions, and most people are just having fun
@@Gloomdrake Exactly, me and my friends are enjoying the hell out of playing Palworld together but we still make jabs at some of the designs for being just way too similar to pokemon. Although in some cases the similar ideas for the designs I do quite like, such as Petallia and Lyleen who give a very Lilligant vibe which, if my pfp didn't clue you in on, I love the Lilligant line. Overall though I feel some arguments are extreme stretches, like even Lockstin called out Menasting having a Giratina-like mask which I don't 100% see, it just looks like a hard mask-like structure, and so saying the design isn't original because of that when thats like 5% of the design at most is very dumb.
My only counterpoint to that would be that, if they wanted to shore up their case, they'd want to wait for the game to be released so they'd have access to the models. Then they'd be able to study them and determine the extent (if any) of any plagiarism. A more solid case backed by model evidence can only be made once those assets have been released and TPCi/Gamefreak have the ability to actually analyse them properly and put a legal case together if they thought they needed to. So to do that they've only had, like, a week at this point, not 3 years.
54:06 do your research, the guy admitted that he changed the models to fit the pals... this is just the worst. literally google his name and you'll find out... damn man. lost a lot of respect for you
20:29 Every time I see this cat monster, I think of "My Neighbor Totoro," specifically the Cat bus. That is because the bus' eyes were headlamps, and this monsters eyes perpetually glow.
That's the issue with these pokemon fans. All they know is pokemon so everything is invented by pokemon to them. It's like that story of the little brother telling his brother that he knows goku and goku is from fortnight. 🤦
@@Slade951no one says that... The complaint for it is the CAT FACE. Cheshire cats have TONS of art that don't have same faces. Suddenly 2 chesire cats doing that? That's sus.
the colour of the eyes still dont excuse the literal same eyes, let alone rest of the face, as G-Meowth. and like Lockstin said, in a game with 30 other models that are eerily reminiscent of Pokemon, the odds that the face is coincidentally the same as G-Meowth with a completely different origin and basis is highly unlikely.
Yeah I would go so far as to say that claiming any Pal is based on a gen 9 pokemon is always a stretch at best, the Pal designs were likely all finalized well before Scarlet and Violet launched.
@@BlackRaveBow By how much? The design in particular was already finalized 2 years ago. Was the dex Really leaked that early? I only started seeing dex leaks a couple months before release.
@@Jibboe0214 The pal in question wasn't revealed until game release. It wasn't in original trailers so nobody can claim in was finalized back then. There's many questionable pals that were not in original trailer.
Of course Chillet is F-tier. It looks just like a ferret if it was a dragon ice type. Wait just a damn minute... Source: I have a ferret. It looks like a ferret. Because it's a ferret. Christ on a christmas tree.
@@jukesdtj656 funny thing is I'm french and the english name always made me do a double take because that's one letter off from the french worde for ferret: "furet" so yeah it's even more egregious from that perspective lol
@@Akefia I think it was well placed. There are a lot of very different birds, but a ferret is a very specific subgroup of animals. If you want to make a ferret-inspired monster, at least don't make it have exactly the same face, proportions and size as pre-existing ones. Like, both Pangoro and the Kung Fu grass panda Pal are panda-inspired, but you can clearly see differences. Chillet is a blue Furret. You could pass it as a regional variant and I wouldn't even blink at the idea. It is cute, but that doesn't make it original.
I definitely think Chillet is one of the more original ones. It's based on ferrets, of course, but it has completely different design and animation than furret. There vibes are also very distinctive, making them cute in different ways.
Developer is based in Japan, and in their culture foxes are HEAVILY associated with fire and magic. With this in mind it is pretty normal for Japanese people to think "Hmmm... we need furry that is fire mage. What could the animal base for our design be? Obviously fox, man". So I think that Wixen design is not as much of a ripoff as you thought it was.
And now for my post video comment: I agreed with most of what Gmoggin said, but the ONE thing that made me roll my eyes was at the very end: slavery. I know its a meme, i know theres a video of the assault rifle sweatshop assembly line.. but that's not the actual game. Sure, you CAN set your base to work super hard and never feed your Pals, but no one does that. Watch any video, and youll see pepple losing their minds rhat you can pet the Pals, or that theu help you craft stuff. If you let their sanity and hunger drop, it affects their productivity, so hardcore minmax gamers arent going to let that happen. And i dont know many slave owners that give their slaves luxury beds, hot tubs, cook them steaks and cakes, or, y'know, arm them. You have squirrels and monkeys with fully automatic weapons. If they wanted to revolt, they would rebolt. Its not called Slaveworld, its called Palworld.
I mean, you realize you can also catch humans, force them to work for you, and sell them right? Do you have to? No, of course not, but it is an option, which is why that's something you'd need to take out for it to be a pokemon game. It doesn't fit with Nintendo's image.
In my gameplay, I unlocked the control tower. "Cool, what does it do?" Build it, see that it gives you options to make your pals work at an inhuman rate. Deconstruct it, never touch it again
Maybe it’s just me but going “If this was in any other game it’d be original but because this is Palworld it’s a rip off.” Like damn, so many got done dirty by that stipulation
@@megamask3158 whether they use it or not, promoting it is a disservice to the artists whose work it uses without their consent! since you understand using it is bad, i’m sure you can comprehend how praising its quality to your fanbase is also bad
@@fistbowl1848 they didn’t promote anything, the dev just thinks ai is neat and that’s the extent of it. AI quality has done nothing but increase in the past years, this is an objective truth wether you like it or not
@@fistbowl1848brother got a point. Shaming people and studios for not talking bad about the tech isnt going to stop the tech being used. There is no stopping its advancement. What you should be doing and promoting instead is getting AI regulations passed into law.
Actually, Woolliepop isn't a dog. Ive also seen people compare it to Alcreamie because of the sweets in its hair, which is also incorrect. It's a sheep made of cotton candy with peppermint horns.
Also, I don't get why people say Jolthog is way too close to Shaymin. Hedgehogs just look like that. I see jolthog and I think more of "Haha sonic the hedgehog real"
However, one could argue that by throwing so many different things from so many different places it creates its own original sort of identity. Like, the main gameplay loop revolves around using Pals, ethicaly or not, to advance industry. This is a, at least to my knowledge, never before seen type of game; even Ark's Dinosaur based collection system wasn't this indepth as the Dinos in Ark were mostly just for Transport and Boss battles with only a few dinosaurs being able to collect materials. So I would argue that its ability to successfully merge elements from many diverse sources gives its own sense of originallity.
@@MinervaMayhem07 Yeah, it can be argued Palworld is original/unique the same way something such as Undertale was in 2015. How many other turn based bullet hell mother influnced RPGs with SMT negotation can you name? Likewise, how many monster taming 3rd person shooter survival games qhere you get your brainwashed monsters to run factoriew for you with comedic tonap whiplash between adorable and morbid can you name. When you take enough things from such a large variety of seperate sources, The end result ends up being a unique concuction. No one has mixed all these spesific traits together before. That's how originaluty works, it's impossible to br entirely original, eveything has DNA of something else, so get creative with what you mix and add your own spice in the mix if you want a new experience. Plus, more of the same is perfectly fine anyway regardless.
I find it funny that everyone realises that cremis is just a small gmax eevee but I haven't seen anyone saying that it is just a small SHINY gmax eevee
When Palworld first came out, I was one of THOSE Pokemon fans, who saw the game as nothing more than a game that was likely made from spite towards the current Pokemon product, with the guns and slave labor basically being the developers saying "Look at what WE can do that you're NOT doing!" But after watching this video, especially the second half, I feel my opinion on Palworld has changed quite a lot. I've been a fan of Pokemon since Gen 2, but ever since Gen 6 or so, I've grown increasingly frustrated with the franchise for a multitude of factors. Asides from rushing each game, the franchise honestly feels stagnant, like it's permanently stuck in 1999, and still runs itself like a franchise from the 90's, with an apparent prioritization of selling merchandise over actually making quality products. It honestly feels like they are afraid to innovate, afraid to leave their comfort zone, like they're still worried about the early controversies like Jynx, Porygon and the Christian moms who thought the franchise was "Satanic", and decide to play things SUPER safe to avoid any potential controversy or lawsuits. If anything, that's why I think Palworld is so successful, partly because of the whole "Pokemon with Guns" novelty and meme, but also because it's doing things that Pokemon should have done a long time ago. Think about it, Gen 6 came out in 2013 and was the first all-3D (main series) Pokemon title, when it's contemporaries like Mario, Zelda and Sonic made the jump to 3D over 15 years earlier, back when _Gen 1_ was the current generation, when the franchise was in it's infancy. And that's just barely scraping the iceberg! We're currently in the 9th generation of Pokemon, and the 3D graphics look like they're from the Wii era. Pokemon Colosseum was released 20 years ago and it somehow looks better than Scarlet and Violet do... and that game wasn't even made by Game Freak! This is one of, if not THE biggest multi-media franchise in the world right now, it should be a leader and an innovator with that status, and yet the franchise still functions like it's an 80's toy-driven franchise from Hasbro, when even franchises from that decade like Transformers and TMNT have gotten with the times. Face it, Pokemon NEEDS to improve, and yet for some reason, it's not, and at the rate things are going, I don't think it ever will...
As an artist, the only two that actually make me cringe are Azerobe and Verdash. Verdash sucks in totality, they mangled Cinderace in the worst possible way. Azerobe just really needs different hair. I'm an art graduate, and as such I'm used to appropriation art - literally rephotographing paintings to remove them from context in some cases - being a hotly debated topic but one that is, even if you hate it, considered valid. Most of the mashups and fusions and the heavily inspired pals are still inherently creative - Broncherry is "What If Meganium was good" for example. Fengulope goes in such a different direction to Cobalion while still making people think of it. Katress makes you think of Mismagius without even remotely resembling it. Dinossom feels like goodra but uses the snail tendrils as vines. It's like a collage made of famous paintings, like listening to Daft Punk and picking out the samples. Greater then the sum of their parts. Hell, I'd go to bat for Boltmane - There's enough different (The head is smaller, the face more thin and predatory, the rear legs are completely different, the mane is more slicked back to make it look faster and more agile, It manages to look more predatory) that it calls to mind Luxray by keeping the main body the same general proportions, but After that first glance *It isn't*. It's just another big electric lion. Verdash fails at this. It's the laziest 1:1 body with things stapled on. You see it and there's not a moment you don't think "Green Cinderace". You've put him in a jesters outfit. It doesn't pass the squint test at all. Plus it's just *ugly*. That all said, If you want to know how close designs can come and still be fine, Look up the Digimon Sparrowmon. It's literally a yellow Latias with the Mega forms wing claws and more details. The body and head shape are super close. Everyone's going after Jetragon, but the true Lati Ripoff has been going strong since *2010*.
i started to play PocketPair's previous game Craftopia and I fully believe that the Anubis in Palworld is a throwback/easter egg to the Anubis in Craftopia. in Palworld, you create a statue to spend Lifmunk Essence to improve you player, and in Craftopia you can spend essence balls to improve your player by visiting Anubis. I fully believe that they weren't thinking of Lucario when creating Anubis, I think they just made the Anubis from Craftopia into a Pal and stylised it as a throwback. they're both based off Anubis, so similarities are obviously going to happen, and in this sole case when it comes to pals and pokemon, this one is pure coincidence.
There's too many Pokemon for there to never be coincidences like that yeah lol, also On Google Images, look up Pokemon Dragonquest Copy, one of the first few pictures shows DIRECT copies of Dragonquest creatures that Pokemon were. Koffing, Ghastly, Dragonite, etc were ALREADY copies themselves.
Lucario is one of the most popular pokemon of all time, and the visual similarities are pretty strong. As a big Palworld supportor, I feel it's safe to say Anubis is inspired by Lucario fairly obviously.
@@justanothersilentprotagoni9139 yep. Flopie appeared in the original Palworld reveal trailers, which came out well before Pokemon Scarlett and Violet launched.
Not to mention a lot of his lower tier placements were literally because: "In any other game, this design would be fine...but because it's in Palworld, it's a blatant rip-off".
Even if it was a dog, I've never seen Slurpuff/Swirlix as dogs tbh. The fact that anyone would is complete news to me lol, so I'd say that one's a pretty big reach when there are many much more egregious examples.
@@akkimessiah3219 because no one is ever allowed to get anything wrong? this kind of reaction is exactly what Lockstin, myself, and many other members of this community aim to avoid. we like to use sympathy and critical thinking to inform our reactions. please try to do so next time you leave a comment anywhere, you'll feel better if you do
This comment is a response to your closing statement: I feel like the sentiment "Palworld is what Pokémon should be" isn't the most accurate of ideas. What that sounds like to me is people wanting more out of the Monster Tamer/Creature Collector genre that isn't just more turn-based RPGs. Monster Taming/Creature Collecting has been stuck in this rut because the very roots of the genre, Megami Tensei, was itself a turn-based RPG. And no one has really deviated from those roots as hard as Palworld. Monster Rancher tried being different by being more of a simulation game. Didn't really stick around, though. (I think its still kind of relevant in Japan, but we haven't seen it internationally in a long time) Digimon World 1 was also more of a pet raising game, but Digimon also shifted towards turn-based RPGs as time went on. We can see a pattern begining to form. For Monster Tamer/Creature Collector games to be successful in the past, they needed to follow the trend. That trend being turn-based RPGs. Which caused the genre to stagnant. So Palworld is sort of a perfect storm of sorts. It entered early access at a time where the audience perception of the Pokémon games is at the lowest it has ever been. So people are actively looking for something different. ANYTHING DIFFERENT! And here comes Palworld to fill that void right when people were looking for it. I honestly feel that literally any game where you can catch and use monsters that wasn't a turn-based RPG would have the same people clambering for it. Palworld was just the first in a long time to see success internationally. But you also can't just make Pokémon into Palworld without the edge because Pokémon at it's very core is a turn-based RPG. That is a core part of its identity. And removing that core no longer makes it Pokémon. So the disappointment of Legends: Arceus being a turn-based RPG is honestly quite silly if you ask me. Because if people went into PLA with the expectation it wasn't going to be a turn-based RPG, then they never really wanted a Pokémon game in the first place.
I would moreso say all Yo-Kai Watch fans have already been through this situation where Pokémon fans called Yo-Kai Watch a Pokémon ripoff and bankrupted sales in the US even though it wasn't even a similar game to Pokémon.
It's not necessarily nostalgia. What we're seeing is people defending a brand because if nostalgia without realizing this isn't hurting their memories. Game freak is. Pokemon hasn't evolved ever. They refuse to because of this weird brand loyalty people have. If it was any other product people would have dropped it decades ago. We grew up pokemon didn't. Even the pokemon legends formula seems to be dead in the water despite johto being the perfect place to take it next.
@ralcogaming7674 yea, they've never really cared to shake things up for the games. I don't know if this makes sense, but it kinda feels to me as if Gamefreak is trying to give a "move with us or we move through you" attitude to its audience without realizing that it goes both ways. I might have no desire to play Palworld, but it has nothing to do with brand loyalty.
So much mess beause of this damn game. Like yeah I agree that they definitely "burrowed" some desgins, but can we please not send death threats? Come on people we got to stop doing it. Also its nice to see a reasonable takes on this game. I still dont think it will manage to beat pokemon but it will be nice if they will learn some things from them (except learning how do desgin creatures because my god pokemon and almost any other monster taming game out there clear them on that department with ease).
The death threats is something literally anyone famous gets, it is of course not okay, but many people pretend all valid criticism is in the same category as those and thus just label criticism as harassment. But I actually don't believe they deserve any flack because they didn't do anything wrong. If you think they should be called out for it are you calling out Pokemon as well? On Google Images, look up Pokemon Dragonquest Copy, one of the first few pictures shows DIRECT copies of Dragonquest creatures that Pokemon were. Koffing, Ghastly, Dragonite, etc were ALREADY copies themselves.
Call them out for what though? For what purpose? The designs are quite deliberate. If they claimed originality then bombs away! If they add the Luxray copy-cat Pal I can't wait for Poke-seething part two.
Personally while i believe the majority of the designs are meant to strike similarities for the sake of overall parody of the notion of pokemon. I very much enjoy this inspiration vs plagiarism tier list over others because you showed in the prior video that there are legitimate explanations to the origins of the Pals, and showed that regardless of the design itself there is thought present. You actually know what you are talking about when making these comparisons.
Couldn’t agree more with you, like there’s quite a few I would have personally moved down just based on comparing unique features in models (of the level of the Primarina hair), but there’s also a lot which are unique and its nice to see that recognised. There’s nothing I love more than fair critique. Actually there’s some I think he might have been too harsh on, and would have moved up in the tier list.
One of the best takeaways to have from a video like this is that if you're a fan of a property, you'll see it in the first person. I.e. every Pokemon is original and Palworld is stealing their designs. Except wait, Pokemon also have some too close for comfort rips from other media properties as well. Its okay to be derivative because chances are, even the most original ideas have roots from somwhere else.
Except he's a hypocrite. On Google Images, look up Pokemon Dragonquest Copy, one of the first few pictures shows DIRECT copies of Dragonquest creatures that Pokemon were. Koffing, Ghastly, Dragonite, etc were ALREADY copies themselves. I don't see him calling Pokemon out .
@@BS-gk2cb Ok buddy, pokemon ripping from other franchises is being a little to harsh. That's like saying Yo-Kai copied. One thing is using the same base/inspiration, Palwolrd does that for the majority of the designs and that's fine. As lockstin said, the designs that are clear copies are just the ones that appear on social media
Yeah, there's no way it wasn't intentional. It seems like they were going for the shock factor of pokemon-esque creatures and doing vile things with them and to them as a contrast the overly family friendly tones of pokemon/nintendo games.
Why do I feel that like half of C tier should be either in B tier according to the descriptions at the start of the video, or that there needs to be another tier in between B and C?
For real...a lot of the lower placed Pals were literally placed so low because of "In any other game, this design would be okay...but because it's specifically in Palworld, it's a blatant rip-off."
"You can't own designs and concepts in broad terms." So... like Digtoise being a mix of Blastoise and Bowser because... turtle? The amount of times I see people compare monster turtles to Blastoise and Bowser is a little ridiculous. Spiked shell? Has to resemble Bowser, he's the only turtle with spikes. Has 'toise' in the name? Must be blastoise, because he's the only tortoise monster. That's like me saying Bowser ripped off Gamera because he breathes fire and spins, or Dreadnaw is a discount Blastoise because they are both water type and turtles, lol. Don't get me wrong, I agree with most of the list, but some are being blindly labeled without giving them the fair shot. ... oh wait, there's a furry little Yu-Gi-Oh! monster that has drills on his back, my bad, Digtoise copied him after all, lol. He spins too? Straight rip off of Goofy's turtle form in Kingdom Hearts.
Yeah, but judging by how insanely fast it was taken down I don't think the Game Freak devs are unaware of Palworld, if they had any precedents to sue they would have already.
When I first laid eyes on Direhowl, I immediately got this feeling of déjà-vu, that I had seen it somewhere and I just couldn't quite remember where... then you said "an anime wolf is an anime wolf" and it hit me: it looks like a super generic wolf-type monster from a fantasy manga (and I'm pretty sure there's a manga out there with a wolf that looks like 99% like Direhowl)
I see only hardcore Pokémon fans malding over it. Is this some kind of "both sides bad" ? Because most Palworld fans don't really cared till Pokekids got salty and started bashing the game.
As I am playing palword, I usually frequent the reddit of the game pretty often for help, mainly for resources or breeding help, and yeah, the palword fans can get pretty toxic.
@ZoomerStasi Some of them act like this game is gonna be the big pokemon killer, when we all know that's not true. And whenever you have genuine criticisms for the game they go "oooh, look at the salty pokemon fanboy" it's so irritating
@@personalemail9329 Literally no Pokemon fans are malding over anything bro, all sorts of people, Pokemon fans or not, just think it's lame that the designs are so blatantly copied, that's it. Palworld fans call everyone who thinks that Palworld is unoriginal a bootlicker even when most Pokemon fans hate GameFreak too. They act like Verdash and Cinderace aren't even remotely similar and will call you a shill for thinking they are while simultaneously spamming that Dragon Quest image saying that Shell Slime and Omanyte is an example of plagiarism by Game Freak. Both sides are toxic, but Palworld fans are even more so imo.
I feel comparing palworld to the release of scarlet and violet is the only bad part of this video, while there could be some similarities for a few, the game I feel is to recent for pokemon from those games to be a proper reference to draw from.
I respect this, but I disagree with so many things in here. And the way you use your own criteria to judge the design is so inconsistent and all over the place. For starters, Leezpunk at C tier? That's literally an original design. You cited a purple pokemon that doesn't even come close to Leezpunk. This also applies to so many things there as well. Blazamut (completely unique take on Bahamut with reddish and firey theming), Lyleen, Celeray (doesn't even look nor has the same features and anatomy as Fineon), Chillet (doesn't even look like a Furret, not even anatomy or design choice, so different that it's an original design), so many more. I could list like at least 30% of this list being completely wrong. The issue is that you only consider theme as the sole indicator of originality, and not considering the actual design itself. In fact, the majority of the C-F tiers (barring obvious ones like Verdash & Cremis), have distinctive designs from the theme they are inspired at. If this is your criteria, then the majority of Pokemons should also be faced with the same level of criticism. The majority of early Pokemons are simply old monster catcher designs in a different artstyle with barely any theme changes at all, even more blatant than Palworld. At least Palworld does change the theme and design philosophy. Like Digtoise is a fusion of Leatherback & Snapping Turtle in anatomy and doesn't even share the same design or theme as Bowser nor Blastoise. Floppy is way before Tinkaton. Frostallion is a Ice Pegasus that doesn't even share design principle nor theme as Rapidash. I could go on and on and relocate most of the C-F tiers to B-S tiers barring obvious ones. And, oh my God! You even don't give them the benefit of the doubt and just jump straight to conclusion, which is the first thing that you do when judging design. You literally just said that just because the game's pal artstyle is inspired by Pokemon you automatically assumed that the majority are Pokemon ripoffs which is just plain dishonesty. You do not consider the very fact that you can have the same theme with different design approach. That's such a basic art knowledge that I'm absolutely flabbergasted that you ignore something this obvious, and makes a tierlist that just boils down to (has a Pokemon theme ≠ ripoff). I think you lean way too far in using Pokemon as the sole indicator and nitpick a lot of them. It's the same level of inaccuracy as the another design tier TH-cam video. At least with this video, it has some merits and backbone to it.
The problem in this video is like you said, it's using ideas that are vaguely similar to say that Palworld copied pokemon. But the question arises, with that same logic how many Pokemon were copied from Digimon or Dragonquest?
@@robertoorantes7346 and what's worse is that those Pokemon derivative designs are not even transformative like changing the theme and design but rather than simply changes due to a different art style. Like transliteration of a famous book. Seriously, look at the old Pokemon designs and you can tell that they are straight up simplified anime versions of the monsters that they are based on, rather than having a unique theme. They only get more original during Gen 3 and forward. Gen 1 & 2 are full of ripoffs. Don't get me wrong, Palworld has a handful of ripoff designs, but this video treated nearly half of the roster as Pokemon ripoff with a different label which irks me a lot. It's disingenuous!
@@brixxconnor3411 I will agree that some of the pals lower on the list deserves to be pushed up by a bit. the darkrai one in particular only has the color scheme and the hair. besides that, it's a really cool design. though the fire dragon things beside the "snorlax face"... screams way more monster hunter Teostra to me, just chibified... still, some hit too close to home. the one I will call out is the ferret one. though it does stand up straight, which ferrets HATE doing, just like furret... i think it should've been been put into C. the design has the same silhouette as furret... which in countries can count as copyright but regardless... the actual look of it besides the body is unique that it doesn't straight up have the same design... lockstin's opinions does tamper with some of them... but he has done A LOT of designs from other monster catchers, so we can kinda forgive him for that since... he has more then just pokemon to compare them to, like cassette beasts, digimon and a lot of others... which all have their own unique art style and designs... the art style for the pal's does feel almost pokemon like... which makes most of the pal's LOOK like they belong in pokemon, which in itself... can be really... REALLY BAD for both palworld's image and pokemon's... for the latter, since everyone is calling it "pokemon with guns", it shifts the family friendly style of pokemon into a game that parents wouldn't want their kids to play since it might come off as too mature and intense... palworld, even if i don't play it, still looks to be a decent game. Not the best, cause that's opinion based... but it certainly doesn't shy away from being too close to the style of pokemon, even if the CEO never intended it. palworld, however, does harm the image of pokemon... sorry for coming off as a bit... rude or even difficult. I'm simply.. on the artists side. i wouldn't want their hard work, even if it's "technically" owned by a big company, to be a potentially stolen asset... i won't rule out the chance they are wholly unique but i will try to remain neutral. again, sorry if i came off too strong
@@Payton-Deese a comment section is where you comment about the content? I made my valid criticism in concise manner. And simply saying that "Why don't you do it?" is nothing but a deflection that does nothing but poison the well. So, if you have nothing noteworthy to say at all, don't comment at all. I'm not even being toxic at all. Why you are so riled up for him?
@@Payton-Deese this is just a "consoomer" comment. He makes content to be consumed and be criticized. Otherwise, why bother making content at all, subjective or not?
Thank you for pointing out that Grimtale is based on the Cheshire Cat. I've seen other videos, like 2 or 3, and they keep saying it's Galarian Meowth. Both Grimtale and the Cheshire Cat are purple cats with yellow eyes and an evil smile. It's the first thing I saw when I seen Grimtale.
you can't get mad with pokemon fans noticing the model similarities, like do you guys remember how enrage pokemon fans about how pokemon keep using the same 3d model of their own games until gen 8? yeah can't blame them.
On Google Images, look up Pokemon Dragonquest Copy, one of the first few pictures shows DIRECT copies of Dragonquest creatures that Pokemon were. Koffing, Ghastly, Dragonite, etc were ALREADY copies themselves, so if you're going to get mad at Palworld for copying, you better also be mad at Pokemon.
On Google Images, look up Pokemon Dragonquest Copy, one of the first few pictures shows DIRECT copies of Dragonquest creatures that Pokemon were. Koffing, Ghastly, Dragonite, etc were ALREADY copies themselves, so if you're going to get mad at Palworld for copying, you better also be mad at Pokemon.
Yeah because that’s one of the main reasons why Gamefreak said the national dex was cut. They lied and the game still looked bad. Palworld is a monster catching anime game. Some design tropes and body plans just work better than others so that’s why they look similar even if they can be more different for some examples.
I love how measured this list is with mythology in consideration and benefit of the doubt applied. And then chillet sits at the bottom as if Gamefreak owns the likeness to an actual, real life ferret.
It's different enough, but tbf there's a few different ways that a ferret body can be depicted (wasn't there a ferret mob in dragon quest? that one's very different).
Love how everyone ONCE AGAIN are pinning the blame SOLELY on Game Freak, when I'm pretty sure it's THE POKEMON COMPANY who is FORCING them to pump these games out EVERY SINGLE YEAR, from a team they REFUSE to give MORE WORKERS for, and people think that massive time crunch is gonna magically make Pokemon games good? The problem is Game Freak CAN'T make Pokemon good because they DON'T HAVE THE TIME to do so. TPC needs to stop constantly expecting the games to be a yearly release so that GF can actually have TIME to work on them. Either that, or they need to bring in ANOTHER STUDIO to aid them (like, say, MONOLITH SOFT??? The arguable KING when it comes to open-world exploration games (Xenoblade, anyone?)). Do I want Pokemon to be good? Yes. See Legends Arceus. While rough around the edges, I still had SOOO much fun with that game and I WANT them to make more Legends games and IMPROVE upon each one. But will TPC loosen their grip around GF's proverbial waist to allow them the time to make said improvements? NO. Cause all they care about is money. (and I presume they have to hold the 34+% percent to be the final say in every decision despite being a partial owner of Pokemon with Nintendo and GF, because if GF was truly the biggest shareowner, would they not have said "We are releasing Pokemon when we want to release it"? (especially given their other game they are STILL working on, btw) Or Nintendo? (Since Nintendo allows all their other IPs to be worked on and released WHEN THEY'RE READY to release)) I WANT GF to make Pokemon better and better. But until TPC lets go of their "We MUST release games annually because they HAVE to be connected to the merch/card game/anime/etc" mentality, then I don't know what GF can do outside of asking for more workers, more studios to help, or putting their foot down and demanding more time.
38:53 as opposed to a small whale? It's like you say, Pokemon doesn't own concepts and "giant flying whale" is actually quite generic when you search for it.
I think Killamari might be based on 2 things: 1: Cute mascot hats. The long tendrils and the droopy ear-like things and big eyes really make me think it wants to be worn. 2: Mindflayers: Mindflayers are squid-like brain eaters, and its Pal entry seems to suggest it does this very thing. The hat-like appearance might lure in unsuspecting victims into putting it on where its razor-blade teeth take care of the rest. It could also take ideas from Metroids which are also tentacled beings that eat brains, but the first two ideas presented are definitely more direct.
Yeah mindflayers are the first thing I thought of when I saw the lamprey mouth, it's not far off when you consider they're both squids and that d&d is one of the most popular games of all time (alongside Pokemon)
I feel like a lot less people would be complaining if there was more diversity in the Pals' inspirations. Most of them always seem to be the same animals well known Pokemon or other decently large monster catcher games. It'd be nice if they threw in some more obscure animals and myths instead of copying a lot of popular concepts in other Japanese games. Though admittedly if the Pals didn't look like Pokemon, I feel a lot less people would be talking about, and playing it. It's all in all a double edged sword.
I find it a missed chance Palworld doesn’t have any pals that are part weapon, or like organically that, that’d be cool. Plus one of the tower bosses is canonically experimenting on pals, and that’s why the bird silvally exists, so they easily could explain there being cyberorganic pals. My point here is they could’ve had a pal that was like the shitpost gunwolf galar third legendary
The Pals are actually all based on Gods and Norse mythology. Pokemon takes their ideas from anime characters (like mew two is inspired by a dragon ball z character, Dino mons are based on godzilla, etc). Some of the referenced are super obscure. The goat demon is a reference to campus and a pan. Pokemon never made a straight up plague doctor mon or anything either. I think people are getting thrown off by the similar art style and missing how different the designs and concepts actually are for most of them.
@@zellaus2649The issue would be people would claim it was ripping off Digimon then, because that is literally what digimon is. Simple ot complicated cartoon monsters with built in guns.
@1faithchick7 Palworld has a couple designs that already look very close to Pokémon, and one that’s even being compared to yokai watch by some people(even by those on this comment section), so I don’t think it’d really matter if people compared these theoretical ones to digimon, it’d be kinda whatever at that point. And if it did, maybe palworld could do better to actually make its own aesthetic identity, make it harder to compare. also, Pokémon doesn’t only reference anime characters? Multiple are mythological or folklore references, some are just objects, some are just animals mixed together with another concept. I as well idk if every Dino Pokémon is a Godzilla reference, that feels almost dismissive of the variety of origins Dinosaur based Pokémon can have, like I don’t really see any Godzilla in tyrantrum or the craniodos line or archeops or.. I won’t rant on, but my point is they’re all very different, I get your point but it’s an oddly phrased point.
That was exactly what I thought looking at the screen and even after the final picture I was still like "uuuuh... yeah, I can *kinda* see that" This is a complete joke
At the end of the day, everyone on both sides should agree that nobody deserves death threats, doxxing or any other kind of harassment over this
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also your id is 694206661337
Damm right!
"Step 1: Shut up."- Lockstin 2024
@@Meals-sh9fsI'm stealing that quote for personal use
@ZoomerStasithey’re fake fans then because the series they praise go against that behavior
"Sheep don't roll"
Your sheep are far smarter then the ones in the uk then, the rolling is rarely intentional but they certainly roll.
LMAOOOOO
The sheep over here are dumb too, I was about to say. You put a herd on a hill, and a couple are probably gonna trip lmao
As a brit, I have seen many farmers having to go out and roll some unlucky sheep upright 😂
Sheep do indeed roll :P Sometimes even intentional.
also rollout is an old pokemon attack, used by elephants and cows, so basically any round animal that rolls would be a rip off
Ameterasu from Okami is NOT based on a kitsune! The kitsune does appear in the game, but Ameterasu is the name of the sun goddess and the form she has taken is a wolf, not a fox. Japanese wolves are extinct. Wolves were thought to have mystical powers and some were even worshipped as either deities or messengers of deities. The reason Ammy is fiery is solely because she's supposed to be the sun goddess.
thank you
in fact, quite literaly, ookami means a wolf and kitsune means a fox. Even without any mythical context, and just name of the animals.
i was confused about that. thank you
I thought ius was because of a pun. Okami means wolf but it also means great god so they just mixed the two together
is the fur/face paint not the same design element as like the ones on kitsune & other traditional masks/art though? i assumed that's the connection he was making
"The fluffy cotton candy pal is a dog just like Pokémon"
Lockstin, that's a sheep.
It’s not. It’s a poodle. I thought the same at first
@@Franklin-vx2tj It has "wool" in its name and big old ram horns, how is it not a sheep?
@@MandalorianRaider *Takes a closer look at Woolipop*
Oh yeah, you are right! Those are lollipop horns on it's head!
Yeah...
Beep Beep
I will go to bat for Floppie; it was shown in a trailer before Tinkaton's design was publicly known or even leaked. It could not possibly have been based on Tinkaton and the fact they look anything alike is simply a huge coincidence. It deserves to move up one tier at least, possibly even two because without the "Tinkaton fusion" elements it's not really that much like Sylveon either.
I don't even think they look particularly alike, except their both pink. Tinkaton looks like a cute goblin, Floppie like a bunny
You think tinkaton was only thought of when it was revealed?
For all we know it could have been thought of during red/blue era
@@bastionsea2829 and how were the Palworld devs supposed to know about it in order to plagiarize it, then?
Garbage tierlist. But then again, it's a Pokemon fanboy channel.
@@LichCrypt exactly my point, something could be apparently 'pokemon inspired' while the devs didn't see it, but Twitter will still claim it was copied
Also, calling Lockstin a 'pokemon fanboy channel' is being REALLY shortsighted
@@LichCrypt The CEO of Pocketpair used to work for Nintendo.
Sheep rolling is based off the fact that sheep get so wooly they will roll down hills. That’s not a Pokémon thing that’s a real life thing
And coincidentally sheep who grow a ton of wool on them become round and fluffy in shape. People saying "There are so many ways to draw a cartoon ship and they picked this one" are just ignoring the entire concept of caricature...
elden ring sheeps roll too ye
yeah I've seen sheep mons that used rolling attacks in multiple RPGs. it's not exclusively pokemon. Heck, some of the are even way before gen 8 even released.
Yeah, when I saw Lamball, I did realise it is sorta similar to Wooloo, but while Wooloo is a great and beloved pokemon, the aspects of "sheep but round and rolling" is not original enough. And apart from this detail, Lamball has pretty much no copied aspects
ye i've seen other games even on mobile ones that have sheep that roll [literall sheep not sheep like monsters]
The real crime here is that “Penking” is not called “Kinguin.”
Nah, I’m fine with penking. However they DEFINITELY should have renamed Digtoise to either Rotortoise or Rotatoise. I mean it’s a tortoise that rotates really fast!
Agreed 100%, huge missed opportunity lol
I guess they didn't want to be associated with a key reseller site
There's already a brand named Kinguin
@@heyfell4301
Ah, that explains it. So they couldn't use that name because it's already trademarked.
While opinions differ on the tier list, I think we can agree that the closing discussion couldnt have been said better
Same. It would be great if the online discussion over Palworld design was more like correcting a rough draft of a good paper. It’s a paper that would get a C or B as is, but with some polish it could be thesis material.
I want to point out that flopie was in one of the first trailers that released before scarlet and violet were and before we knew what tinkaton looked like.
This kind of stuff just makes me wonder if it's less Palworld stealing from Pokemon, and more just Pokemon having a ton of super generic designs and over a thousand Pokemon (and especially counting megas, g-max, and Hisuan/Alolan versions) so you could have someone who has never heard of Pokemon or seen one in their life draw an anime creature with some sort of elemental gimmick and it would look just as much like a Pokemon.
@@blackfang0815 The fact over 1000 of them exist makes it easy to claim any "catchable monster" looks like a pokemon. Game Freak will eventually do gen 10 and even more designs will come along which fanboys will claim can't be stolen/copied/derived from.
@@blackfang0815 Wrong. They're not genericm stupido. They are all well though. Palword stole like 80% designs form Pokemon.
@@armantrto180 Nintendo isn't gonna f*ck you no matter how hard you simp for them.
@@devonm042690 Sorry, I am not homo like you, I am just saying that Pokemon are well thought out, unlike copy paste Pals
I gonna bat for Jolthog here. Its not that its just copying Shaymin, its that they are both uninspired designs. They are both just an actual hedgehog, but the spikes are an element. Heck, pokemon made a better hedgehog inspired pokemon with Togademaru, the hedgehog is clear, but different enough. Shaymin is lazy in that its just hedgehog but literally hedge, the hedgehog shape doesn't even change, its head, its back, its legs, its all just real life hedgehog. If Jolthog had a another Pal thats supposed to be its counterpart, and that counterpart looks more like a deer, like how Shaymin sky form is, then fine I will accept thats its a copy. But it doesn't, its just an electric hedgehog. So in my opinion, its shouldn't be F tier. I do think that "Since its palworld" criticism is coming a bit too much in some of these.
Yeah maybe a bit to far but it should probably still be kept in concentration
Jolthog is amazing. Just because Shaymin is a hedgehog does not mean no other monster collector game can use hedgehogs.
I love the distinction that they're both unoriginal.
Call it what it is. PalWorld is just Pokemon with guns. Down to the philosophy of stealing ideas. Pot taking notes from Kettle. That's what this is, and people need to stop pretending Pokemon is this innocent IP that hasn't done the exact same thing for a long time.
You can love the games and series, and find originality in both, but there are clearly a lot of uninspired ideas here and there. If we don't have the courage to call them out, can we really take ourselves seriously as gamers?
6:59 Never forget this.
Also, I love the design of Jolthog, and it may have one of my favorite abilities. I can forgive it's lack of originality for the ability to throw an exploding hedgehog at dudes.
Electric Hedgehog --Pokemon-- Pal, you say? ZAP TO THE EXTREME!
@@Aflay1 This is unrelated to the bulk of your comment but I want to say, I really liked "Pot taking notes from the kettle" i'm absolutely using that phrase going forward
About Chillet: how would you make a ferret creature? ferrets look a certain way regardless. there's no way around it, it will look like Furret in shape
Give it horns and claws.
Ferrets don't look exactly like furret. Chillet exaggerates the exact same features furret does.
I agree furret is such an unoriginal design of a ferret. all it does is change the fur pattern and flaten the face. At least chillet has a much more dynamic design and combination of creatures with the clear influence from axolotls and with far more exaggerated ears and a far more exaggerated facial structure and more sculpted body with a clearly thinner neck that expands into the body. Chillet is far more creative and original than furret.
@@TopOfAllWorldsby "the exact same features" do you mean the body? Cause that's really the only similarity between them, is long body, which is just what ferrets are known for. It isn't even the same type
don't you know? According to internet people (who are defo real people and not bots farming outrage clicks), Nintendo owns shapes of all anime-fied animals, color schemes and fantasy concepts.
No, literally, try drawing anything, and there's some asshat with nothing better to do run it against 1000+ pokemon and xyz million fakemon to prove you stole something because the shape of the curve you used somewhere is similar to how someone else did a curve.
At what point do people stop caring about baseless accusations? If everything is plagiarized, nothing is. You have several times bigger chance of winning a lottery than coming up with a completely original thing nobody ever thought of before. There are countless billions of pictures on the internet. And just how ppl stopped caring about being called nazis on the internet by the lefty activists for... literally everything under the sun, most people also stopped caring if something looks vaguely similar to something else. Except for ppl whose lives are so empty they have nothing better to do.
And if it's parody, it's even more clear cut. It's just internet slobs have no sense of humor, only an incessant need for internet upvotes (or downvotes, clicks are clicks)
In defense of Chillet, both it and Furret are basically just big ferrets so I wouldn't say that Chillet is just a pokemon when the pokemon is just an animal.
On Google Images, look up Pokemon Dragonquest Copy, one of the first few pictures shows DIRECT copies of Dragonquest creatures that Pokemon were. Koffing, Ghastly, Dragonite, etc were ALREADY copies themselves.
Yeah that's the one I DISAGRRE WITH STRONGLY. So many pal that look identical to pokémon but that one's a ferret come on it's not literally furret it's fairly original
prob is that it hve almsot the same standing position
something real ferrets dont really do like that
I'm bothered by his opinion of that white electric porcupine being F tier. Yes, it may share some similarities, but in no way is it a ripoff, because, palworld.
@crushfun9623 as someone who has seen plenty of ferret, they do indeed stand like that sometimes
So far the only ones I hard disagree with are Chillet (It's an ice ferret Dragon. Pokemon don't own ferrets. by your other metrics, this one is being done injustice.) And Flopie For literally being revealed before Tinkaton.
Also, Loupmoon has Absols face.
Orzerk has Garchomps head, bodyshape and stance - It's an Electric Orca Dragon instead of a Ground Shark Dragon, so it's literally the inverse, which is neat honestly.
Some of these thou, they're clearly getting ranked higher or lower then they should b/c of your personal opinion, which is fine honestly.
Yeah, him going "Arsox is pretty unique, but this one random ass fangame did something similar, so it's a blatant copy." Like huh?! I wanted to stop watching right then and there, but I had to finish it. Then Chillet, my precious little boi. I don't even want to talk about Chillet.
"There is no such thing as bad publicity If you want something to fail follow these steps simply; Number one shut up." Is maybe the most iconic thing Lockstin has ever said.
BARS
I just hope people don't start parroting this without context just so they can rebutt on an argument online regardless if it's applicable or not. It's still okay to call out immoral acts as long as we're doing so with honesty (his words as well). It'd be harmful if people just stopped speaking up in moments where it's much needed.
Lots of people go into online debates only to one-up the other guy, so they would use every quote and post they've seen as ammunition rather than having an honest discussion, much like how both sides of the palworld v pokemon debate goes, and much like the potential misuse of this particular quote from Lockstin as well.
There is bad publicity. A studio can totally ruin their reputation.
@@spacejunk2186 yess, and it's called infamy. Unfortunately, people don't necessarily support/withdraw support for something because it's moral or not, and so most of the time infamy only really separate those who don't care from those who do, and not push away a whole fanbase entirely.
On wixen, you know vixen is a word for a female fox right? It's not a play on braixen, it's a combo of vixen and wiccan.
Yeah, I think the the similar naming is more on the heads of whoever translated the names. Don't know the Japanese names though.
Kinda like how simba and kimba are both based on the word lion.
I thought it was wixen, wick and wizard xD
He gets SO MANY facts wrong in this video it's insane. Like, his accuracy is below 70%
@@aohige first thing that stood out to me is that the Egyptians didn't invent boxing. Like, easy mistake right? But do your research man.
Only question I got is, how many ways can you really draw a cartoonish ferret?
Like, yeah, they are similar, because they're ferrets...
Right? The only similarity is that they are both long. Which is the defining thing about ferrets that tells you it is a ferret. There is no way to make a ferret monster short. It wouldn't be a ferret anymore.
There are many , it's considered a copy when a lot . I mean a lot of design elements match up
Like the espurr eyes thing, that's dumb . But ferret , yeah that's copy
@@sinnohperson8813but why? He didn't point out any similarities besides the arms which don't look or act the same.
@@sinnohperson8813 "design elements match up??" Jesus guys yall have to be blind to not see the different between a brown furret and a blue dragon chillet holy crap, even he compares that electric hedgehog and it still gets a higher rank than chillet
@@lawless7512comparing furret to other cartoon ferrets, the hands, legs ( generally ferret designs have bigger legs), standing pose and especially the big tail is quite unique to furret. I think chillet looks like an edited furret 3d model with different head design. They have the same iconic furret walking animation.
i would make an argument for some of these just being irl animals and neither design being all that original. chillet is just a ferret, jolthog is just a hedgehog, direhowl is just a wolf. those pals looking like furret, shaymin, and lycanroc are just because they are also just a ferret, hedgehog, and wolf.
They should have made Wixen a dog pyromancer so the Wixen and Katress rivalry made sense and so it wouldn't be so close to looking like the Delphox line.
Foxes are dogs
Katress looks more like a Rabbit wearing a Catskin robe to me tbh.
Issue with that.. vixen is last half of the name. If you gotta change the species then gotta change the name too.. Wog?.. dizard?.. dozard?.. I dk what name would work in that.
@@zuziiice8907 maybe something like... arcanine 😏
@@Hide_Me that wouldn't work cuz pokemon already got that. Nice joke though ngl.
I completely lost it when I saw you pick up the firefox and use it as a flamethrower. It's a perfect combination of cartoon antics and that machinegun cat meme, and I have no idea why I have never seen this concept executed with Pokemon.
As a die hard pokemon fan that also understands GF needs to improve in their ways, thank you for making this video. You have eloquently put into video form all the arguments as to why i love palworld AND pokemon and why whatever happens in the end (lawsuit or not) this is for the BETTER of the monster taming community. It is literally a WIN-WIN for everyone.
Its ok guys, you are allowed to enjoy both Pokemon and Palworld while also recognizing one needs to put in more effort like they used to in the past, and the other one SEVERELY lacks originality (at best lmao).
Thank you so so much for this Lockstin!
They should actually do more of these 99% copy Pals. The Verdash copy is actually a 10 for me as I prefer Sepak Takraw to Football, so I have this head-canon that he weaves ratan balls for his attacks.
This one right here.
At this point the lawsuit and all the legal stuff going in the background are just rumours and threats, I hope that this never reaches a courtroom, because in worst case scenario Gamefreak and Nintendo will win, just because they have more money to toss around, and that will mean that a lot of people will be discouraged to try and oppose them again, which will really stifle the game industry more than what it already is, and in best case scenario Pocketpair wins, and that really inspires a ton of developers and people, to start making games and such that rival Nintendo's ideas and things, and then we get a big boom of games, and possibly Pocketpair continues to develop for Pal World, where since its still in early access the sky is really the limit for its potential. I mainly hope that nothing really happens though, since the current status quo is pretty good, and the negative outcomes are just too bad for them to become a reality.
Hold on! Ōkami's Amaterasu is NOT a kitsune! She's closer to the Ōkuchi-no-Makami, the deified Japanese wolf. The kitsune of that game, the creatively-named Nine-Tails, is an entirely different character.
Edit: Just want to say I DO enjoy this vid. I just wanted to point out that one little discrepancy. Overall, good work!
Isn’t a kitsune a fox??
Ameterasu is very obviously not a fox
@@pemanilnoob i have not played the game but ametarasu looks more like a wolf to me. when i see her in art, i think of dog and princess mononoke wolf
@@Thesmusshe literally just is. She even howls and emotes like one (/a dog)
@@Thesmusthe word Okami literally means wolf in japanese
Tombat: someone’s sonic OC that they tried to turn into a Kirby boss
-lockstin
Tombat is Tom from Tom and Jerry turned into a bat. The floating sushi looks like the ones from PacMan. Surprised he didn't point those out and even gave Tombat S tier.
27:28 When I was in Iceland we went on a tour and they talked about how sheep get down hills. Apparently a lot of sheep can’t climb downwards well so they tumble and roll. Does it mean Palworld was basing it off of this real world thing? No, but it’s just a thing I figured id point out
I don't think it's fair to put Chillet in F tier because of the similarities to Furret, given Furret is also literally just a ferret.
there are tons of ways to stylize a ferret, there are tons of ways palworld could have stylized chillet to make it not look like furret, but they didnt.
they could have changed the shape of the front paws, gave it actual limbs, made a more clear distinction between the tail and the body, changed the shape of the feet, added claws, made the body thinner, changed the position of the front paws, literally ANY of these, but nope, they stylized it the exact same way pokemon did.
heck, *i've* designed ferret creatures before, and even with my pokemon-esque art style they still turned out completely different looking than furret
@@rikacreature You are entitled to your opinion.
@@rikacreatureso because pokemon made a certain design choice no one else can do it?
@@soulcyclone360 it wasn't just one design choice, a character design is comprised of a number of components. Copying just one or two is totally fine, but when you copy nearly all of them, then it's a problem.
@@BlackTempleGaurdian hah thanks, sorry for dumping a wall of text on you, I'm a 3d modeler and character designer so this is something I'm passionate about, but I definitely realize a lot of people do not care lol
“Is it Tuesday? I don’t want to get emotional involved in that mess”
I felt that
How does dragon ferret get so low on yours, but the wolf that high? Yeah, the wolf is just any anime wolf, but the dragon ferret is basically just an anime ferret with dragon features. I think of furret seeing it, but I don't actually SEE furret in it between generic anime ferret and dragon features. And there's still plenty of ways to make an anime wolf stand out more, I mean, I absolutely saw theirs and immediately thought "that's lycanroc at home."
not just that but the electric dog that just has Shiny Lucario's head copypasted is 2 tiers above Chillet
Eh, when I first saw the wolf pal, I didn't even think about Lycanroc. The first thing that came into mind for me was Wolf Link from Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess.
For Chillet I think its like if Furret and Chien Pao had a baby
Totally agree. The similarity was way over blown by Lockstin
Wouldn't mind me a lycanroc at home...
Is nobody gonna tell him that the content candy pal is a sheep not dog?
Edit, oi what’s yall favorite pal? Mines dinasome (spelled wrong my b)
I don’t think it’s my favorite but I think the mini gmax Eevee is super cute and I want one
@@rugbug531 o I love that one two
Lovander 🥵🤤
quivern is my favourite pal! fluffy dragon is silly and i love it
Admittedly I'm extremely confused by your thought process behind most of these picks, with Eikthyrdeer it's "this is S tier because it's just a cartoon animal pokemon already did and they dont own said animal" but then with Jolthog/Chillet it's "this is F tier cuz it's just a cartoon animal pokemon already did and knowing the devs they were just ripping it off".
Same with a bunch of other designs where it's "pokemon doesn't own fire horses" and "this is an ice moth so it's frosmoth" like come on lol.
I feel the whole "considering the game we're talking about" point really starts falling flat when nearly 90% of the D&F tiers use that justification for being "ripoffs" despite them being fairly generic furry/cartoon animal designs you'd see anywhere else
Especially with jolthog it a largely different concept on the same animal chillet has a better argument of it being a rip off in my opinion but not by much
@@snailymitch Well he is a youtuber and he needs something to work with which is why he had to do something like that, but from the way he was talking he did seem to be reluctant to bash on some of the designs, since the guy is really passionate about monster collecting games.
@@asimhussain8716 Yeah, I can agree to that, but at least Lockstin actually made some effort for his video, unlike most of what's currently out there for Pal World, where everyone just jumped on the hype train to make a quick buck, and there's ton of videos that are not even worth watching, such as the ones that are just cheap reaction videos.
The Bushi one was really stupid. I mean yes, a samurai isn`t overly creative, but how the hell is Bushi in any way like Mawile?
They both have wide leg pants? Because that`s the only similarity i can see.
High B or low A.
Woolipop is a sheep, not a dog, it has horns on the head, that's why they have a completely different texture from the rest of the hair
I mean I called it a candy mareep but it's still adorable even if it's looks like type swapped mareep.
Exactly. Blazehowl is also not a dog.
I fully thought that woolipop was just a candy poodle.
It's living cotton candy, no one tell Willy Wonka.
The idea that Woolipop is “literally Alcremie” is so stupid.
if what i heard is correct the tinkaton looking one should be higher. palworld had a trailer that showed it off before we knew about tinkaton's existance.
whom copied whoom here?
Sometimes great minds think alike.
My favorite thing about Anubis is trying to point out something actually matches Lucario aside from the silhouette
The legs have a different number of joints and different pants. its hand have human fingers and arm guards. Its chest has that clothing piece. the face patter is fairly different. The tail is different. And the color scheme is different.
Look at all the check features Lucario has that it doesn't. No shoulder wheels, extra spikes, fluffy shorts?, and no dread things.
Rayhound is far worse imo and never gets talked about. People just hate Anubis because its on the cover and everyone really likes Lucario.
Or, you know
Bothering to literally take 10 seconds googling to see what Anubis is.
Dude doesn't seem to realize the Pal Anubis is just cutified Anubis, the Egyptian God.
So is Lucario but Anubis is more... literally just Anubis.
@@aohige Exactly that.
To be honest, I think Anubis is a better design than Lucario. For one thing, its mouth is actually ON its snout instead of BELOW it.
For those who don't know. Sheep as well known to roll on Thier backs. When the wool gets too dense it can cause Thier balance to be thrown off and they will fall down and roll on their backs making it difficult to get back up. It is very dangerous for them to be near hills and cliffs because they can end up rolling down them. The idea of a sheep ball that rolls around comes from the cartoonist interpretation of this.
So there should have plenty of sheep creatures that roll around in other media right?
Rolling on purpose?
Why were FPS games able to escape the “DOOM clone” stigma, but creature collectors haven’t been able to escape the “Pokémon clone” stigma? Most of them have nothing else in common with Pokémon
Your not the only one who hates this the genre should be called 4 what it is.🙄 I'm tired of people calling it Ripoff or Clones.
It's because nothing except for palworld has equalled pokemon in popularity and the type of game is few and far between
@@Shyguy5104 TH-cam lag has been really bad lately, yeah?
Sorry about that my phone lagged and i spamed the post button in frustration
@FTChomp9980 agreed, alot of monster taming games from what i have seen and experienced play nothing like pokemon at all
Lamball doesn’t roll because woolo rolls, woolo rolls because sheep roll. They both roll because sheep are literally known for rolling onto their backs and getting stuck.
Oh they roll, they all roll down here.
Yeah but both of them doing it on purpose is kind of sus
@@TheKJFIhow do you think the sheep roll? They do it on their own and very much on purpose.
@freddycashbear2164 because the real animal accidentally does that. Not on purpose.
He might have tried to be fair, but this guy is still Poke'brain at the end of the day. it's 90% of his content.
There are definitely some similarities that you can rule it was “inspired” by Pokémon but I feel like some of them are just concepts or creatures from myth that Pokémon obviously took from somewhere else too like people say lucario and Anubis. Bro it’s literally taken from Egypt mythology Anubis it isn’t just a Pokémon thing also chillet is a ice dragon ferret they look similar because it is based on the same thing Pokémon doesn’t have claim over all ferret lookalike creatures
The pal at 18:42, I don't think we can compare pals with 9g pokémon, it depend of when the pal was created before the release of Palworld as we know TInkakon only since november 2022 and Palworld is in developpment since longer
Same for the two pals at 30:40, I do think that this is a pure coincidence if they were created before the release of the trailer for Scarlet and Violet who showed Armarouge and Ceruledge. However if these two pals were created like AFTER the release of the Scarlet and Violet games, yes they are copies of Armarouge and Ceruledge but as centaurs.
@@daraen673digimon royal knights? Dukemon and kentaurosmon
It depends what resources pocket pair had 🤷♂️ if they had connections to pokemon & their assets
The hedgehog one is literally just a cartoon hedgehog though. Hell i have one right next to me that looks exactly the same and its from a grow your own crystal hedgehog kit.
Exactly, the pal looks like a hedgehog. It's not a "blatant rip-off" of the Pokémon just because that's based on a hedgehog, too.
Sounds like your kit ripped off Pokemon
Do I have to bring up Seel the pokemon is LITERALLY a seal? Or Ratatta and Raticate are literally just rats? Butterfree is just a butterfly? Krabby is just an uninspired crab along with Kinglar? Horsea being a literal seahorse?
Pokemon is littered with 'cartoon animal designs with 0 alteration' and that was me only using Gen 1 and not even the full 150.
I work at a pet store we sell a particular brand of toy called "fluff and tuff" they have a hedgehog toy that is a great example of how basic hedgehogs look. They toy lacks legs and you could slap a bush on it and sell it as shaymin.
"A fluffy dog" >Clearly a ram
I will be honest, I saw a poodle. I thought the horns were hair pins or something.
"The best thing to do to your comment section, is to piss off both sides."
I could not contain my laughter.
14:00
Hard disagree on Chillet. Ferret designs aren't owned by Pokemon, and as you said, there are only so many ways to design something based on an animal without it not being that animal anymore.
14:56
Also hard disagree on Depresso.
15:30
The cloud gods are from Japanese folklore and not invented by Nintendo.
24:40
Also hard disagree on that. Nintendo doesn't own the concept of a hedgehog.
25:05
This is Leviathan concept. Nobody owns that.
25:40
Your argument "Because it's Palworld, it's a rip off" is just biased BS making me question why you did this tier list at all.
31:20
You are being ridiculous.
37:58
That's not a dog, looks more like a sheep. And Pokemon doesn't own the concept of making candy animals.
Did my boy Chillet dirty, calling it just a furret they made ice/dragon is disingenuous since furret is *LITERALLY JUST A CARTOON FERRET*
They can walk too
It has the exact same idle and walking animations though
@@koruyamashimada9094 how different can it really be given its design?
@@koruyamashimada9094 Do you want a ferret to slither or something?
@@koruyamashimada9094 Have you never seen a ferret run or stand on its hind legs? I think they're cute and Pirate Software has like, 6 ferrets he shows on streams sometimes.
Ammy isn't based on a Kitsune. She's an... Okami, a wolf.
exactly! one of the bosses is a kitsune, but Ammy Herself? nope! She's a very good girl!
Ranking the pals on originality while pulling from so many different media is kind of an unfair move since barely anything will apear original with that many designs to compare to.
That was his point... 🙄🙄🤣
@ 12:24 he compares a design that literally doesn't exist in pokemon saying "If mawhile was a samurai".
Like they literally look nothing alike other than some collor scheme slightly.
I don't know pokemon vary well but I see it as it is. Nothing is similar.
21:15 “something edgy pokemon would never do”
Are we talking about the same Pokemon who has many game plots contain different forms of mass genocide
@ZoomerStasi Giratina IT'S literally JUST The Devil, Lucifer, rebellling aganist it's father and creator, all that crap
All those are a fair bit more vague than a literal noose though is I think his point.
@@Hugo-yz1vb according to the developers Giratina is supposed to represent antimatter. Now of course it can be multiple things, but this still means it's misleading to call it literally the devil. It also didn't rebel against Arceus, it was banished for being too violent (and only after this desired to challenge Arceus for a time).
@ZoomerStasi Nice! Gun Pokémon real confirmed
@@Ryodraco Who says that violence wasn't him rebelling aganist Arceus? And yeah, I love the antimatter inspirations and elements as well, but the "being banished to the Shadow Realm because I did and oopsie uh oh stinky" part is too good to not be true
15:10 I disagree on pokemon inventing those cloud thing. It's a Eastern portrayal of demi gods and deity who mostly appear in the sky riding clouds. Imagine sun wukong riding on cloud, a human from below can only see above torso because the flying nimbus is covering the legs.
That's why one piece kaido dragon doesn't fly but actually generate cloud that he grabs and walk.
Just look at Goku riding on flying Nimbus
He was referring to them specifically also being oni though, wasn't he?
Right but do they all go shirtless with cloud hair and no lower body but the cloud?
yeah I see a lot Asian Gods depicted standing or riding clouds. Heck Lakitu has been around since Mario 1 and I think Gaijin Goombah actually covered this way back when he was on gametheory.
@@jonathanflanagan1504 yes the Japanese has those demi god depicted that way.
Normal oni is just giant brutes eating humans. These magical oni have "job" as gods. Creating thunder, lightning and rain. Google raijin and fujin.
One piece Enel himself with his back drum circles and luffy gear fourth smoke ribbon are a reference to these gods.
Halfway through the video I couldn't tell if you were rating them based on how similar they were to pokemon or similar to an idea that already exists.
Yea...some of them started to go out there. I thought it was going to be how original they were compared to Pokemon, but then they started comparing them to other things. And then a lot of their lower placements were literally "It would be fine in any other game but because it's in Palworld, it's a blatant rip-off."
Yeah I got really confused towards the end. He started rating things based on concepts, some pokemon hasn't even done but he still rated them low. Pokemon does 'just an animal' all the time, bur he rated the kirin Pal low because it is 'just a kirin'... even though pokemon never did that creature before. Others were just 'this is the same animal as a pokemon. It isn't actually like any pokemon, but..." The t pot elephant and the electric dog ones confused the heck out of me. Somewhere someone has come up with the same concept. The execution is what matters. The other ones were comparing body parts. Like, yeah. Most fox will have a evee like tail because evee just has a fox tail, and looks like a fox. Whalelored is just a big whale. Furret is just a ferret. Anything based on those animals will look similar.
I thought it was pretty clear from the start. Yes, a good portion of the comparison is doing direct Pokemon comparisons, but he also brings in things from other franchises and otherwise bland or uninspired/unoriginal ideas. That's what the tiers are.
Good luck to anyone in the future who's trying to make not just original fictional creatures, but good creature designs, without ripping off Pokemon, Digimon, or furries.
And based off of some comments, studio ghibli, YU-GI-OH, monster hunter, every fakemon ever created, final fantasy, classic American literature, every fantasy game ever created and every animal ever drawn in a certain artstyle.
I will say in regards to the ‘Pokemon never tries anything different’ thing, there are tons of spinoffs that do try different genres with Pokemon, but they often never sell as much as the main series, and it’s not due to a lack of quality in most cases. I do agree GameFreak should take bigger steps towards evolving the series, Arceus is a prime example of what they can do if they choose to. But I can also understand that straying too far away from Pokemon’s core tends to result in numbers that don’t compare to the basic turn based battles. I do hope that this does push them to consider trying further innovation or genre experimentation. If Final Fantasy made a smooth jump from turn-based to another form of RPG, Pokemon can too.
I think the main problem with getting rid of turn based gameplay for pokemon is that at the end of the day its still made with kids in mind, and younger kids have an easier time with turn based gameplay, it allows kids to understand the game better and not get frustrated to the point of not wanting to play it, yes would it be a nice change for older gamers yes, but I think the turn based gameplay is what allows pokemon to be a game for everyone
@@manen2391something I suggested was simply improving the turn based to be more interesting but still core and easy to grasp for new players. Or better yet what many have suggested for years, difficulty settings. If they could pull off two game modes for two different difficulties for different players, it'd be perfect
I do believe it was said in a didyouknowgaming video that pokemon is purposefully made to be a game accessible to everyone. It has to be easy enough for kids to play and simple enough for old people to operate. Granted, on the old people side, we're talking mostly computer illiterate folks which was a lot of people 20-30 years ago so that might not apply as much now.
On changing gameplay, it's extremely difficult because every single move is tied to the turn-based nature of the combat. Unlike Final Fantasy (and many similar games) where the turn-based combat fairly gives each side a chance to do their turns, Pokemon has turn-based combat where both sides choose their moves and the timing and order of actions is acted out. Pokemon battles then play more like Magic: The Gathering matches than traditional jrpg battles. (Put another way, pokemon battles simulate a full round of combat between the player and the enemy per action rather than doing a "my turn, your turn" thing.) Therein lies the difficulty (and also the reason why Pokemon Conquest made sense as a spin-off).
I hate they way people disrespect turn based RPGs.
Pokemon being a Turn Based RPG isn't the issue, that's the series's genre, it's like being mad that mainline Mario games are platformers and not FPSs.
Pokemon's issue is the severely sloppy incompetent management, half baked ideas, rushed releases, and unprofesional apathy.
They are shaking up changes recently, and do have very good ideas at times, but never reach their potential due to being incompetent programmers/designers with impossible deadlines and work ethic.
Scarlet/Violet have so many fantastic elements, but they're buried in a tangled mess of abyssmal coding, and half finished ideas, that ruin the experince for so many people and are a hard pill to swallow even for enjoyers.
A rwal time Pokemon game cpuld be really cool,
But SV's concepts were great and had creativity to them, issue is, it was never handled with any form of care, and was left a tangled broken mess without it's potential realized and so many glaring flaws weiging it down.
Chillet’s placement is by far the most egregious. I can definitely see the similarities to Furret. But they by no means look the exact same. At the very least, I’d put it in high C-tier.
Also, some of your reasonings basically boil down to “this is mostly original but because it’s in Palworld it’s clearly copying Pokémon”.
I think the big thing that keeps bugging me about the Palworld vs Pokemon debate is so many people saying 'This is what Pokemon should have done already.'
I wouldn't mind one bit if Pokemon made a more action/survival game as a spinoff similar to Palworld but I cannot stress enough how heartbreaking it would be to me if they just completely dropped turn-based gameplay for the mainline series. I understand it's not everyone's cup of tea, but being able to take my time, get to know what my mons can do, seeing them grow throughout the journey of the main game... It's Comfort Food gaming to me. I'd ESPECIALLY hate to see the state of Competitive Pokemon without turn-based combat, completely losing the strategic elements the system offers.
I'm SO stoked folks who enjoy Third-Person-Shooter/Survival gameplay have a fun monster collector they can sink their teeth into... But I absolutely don't want mainline Pokemon to become that.
I think people are mostly talking about the open world and creature interations/animations.
The guns are nice but people have wanted the above stuff more.
@@JDReC100 THIS! How are people missing this obvious point when people say "Pokemon should've done this by now". And ALWAYS people point out the survival mechanics/gameplay as some sort of deflection. XD NOBODY ever asked for pokemon to be a survival game
@@D3adCl0wnthen that distinction should be made in the first place. You don't get to call an animal shooting game inherently better than Pokemon without context.
They can keep turn base game and still make another game based on the same ip.
Like league of legends has TFT and trading card game other than their moba.
Blizzard World of warcraft mmo, warcraft rts, blizzard moba, hearthstone.
The battle system in Palworld is garbage. The type system and move pool of pals are simplistic. There is no strategy, just spam whatever designated attack the pal has and hope it dmgs enough. The pal combat was definitely an afterthought compared to even something like the building mechanic. Palworld should fix that gameplay cause it gets boring really fast.
"... and what do you make your cotton candy sweet monster? A fluffly dog? Just like Pokemon did?"
A fluffly d- a dog? If anyone thinks that's a dog, no one can help you, lol. Though now that you mention it, I was starting to wonder what it was that makes dogs so different than cats, and it must be those big ram horns they all have. I mean dog horns. I've never really noticed it before now. And that fluffy wool, just like dogs too. You know, Mr. Burns from the Simpsons might have been on to something wanting to make that dog wool tux.
Exactly, that is a sheep through and through.
"Pokemon own the rights to birds" - Lockstin 2024
The rabbit hole goes even deeper. If birds are government drones, and the rights to birds are owned by Pokémon, that means that Pokémon is the shadow government
No but Pokémon owns their interpretation of those animals
And palworld is imitating Pokemon’s interpretation not the animals in general
Probably
Pokemon doesn't own the rights to any animal but I get he was doing it as a sarcastic joke still funny though.
@@madnessarcade7447 On Google Images, look up Pokemon Dragonquest Copy, one of the first few pictures shows DIRECT copies of Dragonquest creatures that Pokemon were. Koffing, Ghastly, Dragonite, etc were ALREADY copies themselves. If you're going to call out Palworld, you better call out Pokemon itself too or you're just a hypocrite.
@madnessarcade7447 unlike anyother interpretations of cartoon animal's
Dude, what does that mean?
Bro. Chillet looks nothing like Furet and Pokemon doesn’t own ferrets
The people saying "Oh I can't wait for Nintendo to sue Palworld" really don't understand. There was the whole extremely strict Japanese copyright laws you mentioned in the video, but also the original trailer for the game came out around 2 and a half to 3 years before early access dropped with many of the "just copy paste" pals being shown off in that trailer including several of the extremely bad examples that aren't even in the early access. That means GameFreak had about 3 years to do anything but chose not to, most likely cause they can't
It is kinda funny, though, that when the Pokémon Company announced they were investigating a game that was infringing on their copyright, everyone thought it was about Palworld, when in fact it was about a completely different game that was way more blatant.
The most vocal people in both communities are annoying. Pokémon fans being way too territorial over the idea of monster collection. Palworlders being weirdly gleeful over the idea that this game is somehow going to topple Pokémon, despite being a completely different experience.
Thankfully both groups are just minority factions, and most people are just having fun
@@Gloomdrake Exactly, me and my friends are enjoying the hell out of playing Palworld together but we still make jabs at some of the designs for being just way too similar to pokemon. Although in some cases the similar ideas for the designs I do quite like, such as Petallia and Lyleen who give a very Lilligant vibe which, if my pfp didn't clue you in on, I love the Lilligant line.
Overall though I feel some arguments are extreme stretches, like even Lockstin called out Menasting having a Giratina-like mask which I don't 100% see, it just looks like a hard mask-like structure, and so saying the design isn't original because of that when thats like 5% of the design at most is very dumb.
@@the_godbodor7026 Michael Bay Optimus Prime has the same face mask thing Girantina does, so I'm not gonna make a fuss over it
My only counterpoint to that would be that, if they wanted to shore up their case, they'd want to wait for the game to be released so they'd have access to the models. Then they'd be able to study them and determine the extent (if any) of any plagiarism. A more solid case backed by model evidence can only be made once those assets have been released and TPCi/Gamefreak have the ability to actually analyse them properly and put a legal case together if they thought they needed to. So to do that they've only had, like, a week at this point, not 3 years.
What was the completely different game?@@Gloomdrake
54:06 do your research, the guy admitted that he changed the models to fit the pals... this is just the worst. literally google his name and you'll find out... damn man. lost a lot of respect for you
20:29 Every time I see this cat monster, I think of "My Neighbor Totoro," specifically the Cat bus. That is because the bus' eyes were headlamps, and this monsters eyes perpetually glow.
That's the issue with these pokemon fans. All they know is pokemon so everything is invented by pokemon to them.
It's like that story of the little brother telling his brother that he knows goku and goku is from fortnight. 🤦
@@Slade951no one says that...
The complaint for it is the CAT FACE.
Cheshire cats have TONS of art that don't have same faces.
Suddenly 2 chesire cats doing that? That's sus.
the colour of the eyes still dont excuse the literal same eyes, let alone rest of the face, as G-Meowth. and like Lockstin said, in a game with 30 other models that are eerily reminiscent of Pokemon, the odds that the face is coincidentally the same as G-Meowth with a completely different origin and basis is highly unlikely.
@@beckhampang191 3 cat then if you count the catbus..
@@Slade951 I'm a Pokemon fan and I saw this same thing, although Delcatty's body a bit. But the face I saw was the Cat Bus.
18:42 this alwas bugs me because floppy was shown long before scarlet and violet came out
Yeah I would go so far as to say that claiming any Pal is based on a gen 9 pokemon is always a stretch at best, the Pal designs were likely all finalized well before Scarlet and Violet launched.
I will say that the Pokémon in SCVT were leaked ahead of release
@@BlackRaveBow By how much? The design in particular was already finalized 2 years ago. Was the dex Really leaked that early? I only started seeing dex leaks a couple months before release.
@@Jibboe0214 The pal in question wasn't revealed until game release. It wasn't in original trailers so nobody can claim in was finalized back then. There's many questionable pals that were not in original trailer.
@@BlackRaveBow are you sure? I could swear it was in the trailer but I might be misremembering
Chillet is F tier? You've made an enemy for life!
Of course Chillet is F-tier. It looks just like a ferret if it was a dragon ice type. Wait just a damn minute...
Source: I have a ferret. It looks like a ferret. Because it's a ferret. Christ on a christmas tree.
@@JbearTheHappyPanda Oh my god Furret is a Ferret who would have seen that coming.
Yeah, that placement was weird.
It's the same as with the birds. Pokemon doesn't own ferrets.
Or hedgehogs.
@@jukesdtj656 funny thing is I'm french and the english name always made me do a double take because that's one letter off from the french worde for ferret: "furet" so yeah it's even more egregious from that perspective lol
@@Akefia I think it was well placed. There are a lot of very different birds, but a ferret is a very specific subgroup of animals. If you want to make a ferret-inspired monster, at least don't make it have exactly the same face, proportions and size as pre-existing ones. Like, both Pangoro and the Kung Fu grass panda Pal are panda-inspired, but you can clearly see differences. Chillet is a blue Furret. You could pass it as a regional variant and I wouldn't even blink at the idea. It is cute, but that doesn't make it original.
I definitely think Chillet is one of the more original ones. It's based on ferrets, of course, but it has completely different design and animation than furret. There vibes are also very distinctive, making them cute in different ways.
Developer is based in Japan, and in their culture foxes are HEAVILY associated with fire and magic. With this in mind it is pretty normal for Japanese people to think "Hmmm... we need furry that is fire mage. What could the animal base for our design be? Obviously fox, man". So I think that Wixen design is not as much of a ripoff as you thought it was.
And I mean, he knows where fire foxes came from, he explained it in a previous video, THAT'S LITERALLY THE NAME OF A BROWSER FOR GOODNESS'S SAKE.
And now for my post video comment:
I agreed with most of what Gmoggin said, but the ONE thing that made me roll my eyes was at the very end: slavery.
I know its a meme, i know theres a video of the assault rifle sweatshop assembly line.. but that's not the actual game. Sure, you CAN set your base to work super hard and never feed your Pals, but no one does that. Watch any video, and youll see pepple losing their minds rhat you can pet the Pals, or that theu help you craft stuff. If you let their sanity and hunger drop, it affects their productivity, so hardcore minmax gamers arent going to let that happen. And i dont know many slave owners that give their slaves luxury beds, hot tubs, cook them steaks and cakes, or, y'know, arm them. You have squirrels and monkeys with fully automatic weapons. If they wanted to revolt, they would rebolt.
Its not called Slaveworld, its called Palworld.
I mean, you realize you can also catch humans, force them to work for you, and sell them right? Do you have to? No, of course not, but it is an option, which is why that's something you'd need to take out for it to be a pokemon game. It doesn't fit with Nintendo's image.
In my gameplay, I unlocked the control tower.
"Cool, what does it do?"
Build it, see that it gives you options to make your pals work at an inhuman rate. Deconstruct it, never touch it again
My biggest takeaway from this is: Man, at 30 hours in there are still a ton of pals I haven't seen.
That's honestly the only good takeaway from this mess of a video
Maybe it’s just me but going “If this was in any other game it’d be original but because this is Palworld it’s a rip off.” Like damn, so many got done dirty by that stipulation
thats what happens when your devs openly post about how much they like ai generated pokemon on their public twitters
@@fistbowl1848 “They said they like ai, that must mean their games are ai!” Top tier logic, no flaws whatsoever
@@megamask3158 whether they use it or not, promoting it is a disservice to the artists whose work it uses without their consent! since you understand using it is bad, i’m sure you can comprehend how praising its quality to your fanbase is also bad
@@fistbowl1848 they didn’t promote anything, the dev just thinks ai is neat and that’s the extent of it. AI quality has done nothing but increase in the past years, this is an objective truth wether you like it or not
@@fistbowl1848brother got a point. Shaming people and studios for not talking bad about the tech isnt going to stop the tech being used. There is no stopping its advancement. What you should be doing and promoting instead is getting AI regulations passed into law.
Actually, Woolliepop isn't a dog. Ive also seen people compare it to Alcreamie because of the sweets in its hair, which is also incorrect. It's a sheep made of cotton candy with peppermint horns.
Also, I don't get why people say Jolthog is way too close to Shaymin. Hedgehogs just look like that. I see jolthog and I think more of "Haha sonic the hedgehog real"
@@musicsheep9816and then it's alternate gorn is blue? Clearly a Sonic rip off!
THIS! For the life of me I don't understand why people think something named WOOLipop is a dog, like cmon.
These are my thoughts on the ferret dragon. Like, I guess both are big ferrets, but they are so different otherwise.
cotton candy is a sweet same with pepermint candies.
Palworld is a hodgepodge of all sorts of other games mixed together, it isn't all that original, however it is still very fun to play.
However, one could argue that by throwing so many different things from so many different places it creates its own original sort of identity. Like, the main gameplay loop revolves around using Pals, ethicaly or not, to advance industry. This is a, at least to my knowledge, never before seen type of game; even Ark's Dinosaur based collection system wasn't this indepth as the Dinos in Ark were mostly just for Transport and Boss battles with only a few dinosaurs being able to collect materials. So I would argue that its ability to successfully merge elements from many diverse sources gives its own sense of originallity.
@@MinervaMayhem07
Yeah, it can be argued Palworld is original/unique the same way something such as Undertale was in 2015.
How many other turn based bullet hell mother influnced RPGs with SMT negotation can you name?
Likewise, how many monster taming 3rd person shooter survival games qhere you get your brainwashed monsters to run factoriew for you with comedic tonap whiplash between adorable and morbid can you name.
When you take enough things from such a large variety of seperate sources,
The end result ends up being a unique concuction.
No one has mixed all these spesific traits together before.
That's how originaluty works, it's impossible to br entirely original, eveything has DNA of something else, so get creative with what you mix and add your own spice in the mix if you want a new experience.
Plus, more of the same is perfectly fine anyway regardless.
I find it funny that everyone realises that cremis is just a small gmax eevee but I haven't seen anyone saying that it is just a small SHINY gmax eevee
Seriously I feel like the eevee clone is the worst offender but is almost never the first example people give towards plagiarism
When Palworld first came out, I was one of THOSE Pokemon fans, who saw the game as nothing more than a game that was likely made from spite towards the current Pokemon product, with the guns and slave labor basically being the developers saying "Look at what WE can do that you're NOT doing!" But after watching this video, especially the second half, I feel my opinion on Palworld has changed quite a lot.
I've been a fan of Pokemon since Gen 2, but ever since Gen 6 or so, I've grown increasingly frustrated with the franchise for a multitude of factors. Asides from rushing each game, the franchise honestly feels stagnant, like it's permanently stuck in 1999, and still runs itself like a franchise from the 90's, with an apparent prioritization of selling merchandise over actually making quality products. It honestly feels like they are afraid to innovate, afraid to leave their comfort zone, like they're still worried about the early controversies like Jynx, Porygon and the Christian moms who thought the franchise was "Satanic", and decide to play things SUPER safe to avoid any potential controversy or lawsuits.
If anything, that's why I think Palworld is so successful, partly because of the whole "Pokemon with Guns" novelty and meme, but also because it's doing things that Pokemon should have done a long time ago. Think about it, Gen 6 came out in 2013 and was the first all-3D (main series) Pokemon title, when it's contemporaries like Mario, Zelda and Sonic made the jump to 3D over 15 years earlier, back when _Gen 1_ was the current generation, when the franchise was in it's infancy. And that's just barely scraping the iceberg!
We're currently in the 9th generation of Pokemon, and the 3D graphics look like they're from the Wii era. Pokemon Colosseum was released 20 years ago and it somehow looks better than Scarlet and Violet do... and that game wasn't even made by Game Freak! This is one of, if not THE biggest multi-media franchise in the world right now, it should be a leader and an innovator with that status, and yet the franchise still functions like it's an 80's toy-driven franchise from Hasbro, when even franchises from that decade like Transformers and TMNT have gotten with the times.
Face it, Pokemon NEEDS to improve, and yet for some reason, it's not, and at the rate things are going, I don't think it ever will...
If you don't mind me asking, what changes would that be?
As an artist, the only two that actually make me cringe are Azerobe and Verdash. Verdash sucks in totality, they mangled Cinderace in the worst possible way. Azerobe just really needs different hair. I'm an art graduate, and as such I'm used to appropriation art - literally rephotographing paintings to remove them from context in some cases - being a hotly debated topic but one that is, even if you hate it, considered valid.
Most of the mashups and fusions and the heavily inspired pals are still inherently creative - Broncherry is "What If Meganium was good" for example. Fengulope goes in such a different direction to Cobalion while still making people think of it. Katress makes you think of Mismagius without even remotely resembling it. Dinossom feels like goodra but uses the snail tendrils as vines. It's like a collage made of famous paintings, like listening to Daft Punk and picking out the samples. Greater then the sum of their parts.
Hell, I'd go to bat for Boltmane - There's enough different (The head is smaller, the face more thin and predatory, the rear legs are completely different, the mane is more slicked back to make it look faster and more agile, It manages to look more predatory) that it calls to mind Luxray by keeping the main body the same general proportions, but After that first glance *It isn't*. It's just another big electric lion.
Verdash fails at this. It's the laziest 1:1 body with things stapled on. You see it and there's not a moment you don't think "Green Cinderace". You've put him in a jesters outfit. It doesn't pass the squint test at all. Plus it's just *ugly*.
That all said, If you want to know how close designs can come and still be fine, Look up the Digimon Sparrowmon. It's literally a yellow Latias with the Mega forms wing claws and more details. The body and head shape are super close. Everyone's going after Jetragon, but the true Lati Ripoff has been going strong since *2010*.
Glad to see someone who knows better than me confirm just what I was thinking.
i started to play PocketPair's previous game Craftopia and I fully believe that the Anubis in Palworld is a throwback/easter egg to the Anubis in Craftopia. in Palworld, you create a statue to spend Lifmunk Essence to improve you player, and in Craftopia you can spend essence balls to improve your player by visiting Anubis. I fully believe that they weren't thinking of Lucario when creating Anubis, I think they just made the Anubis from Craftopia into a Pal and stylised it as a throwback. they're both based off Anubis, so similarities are obviously going to happen, and in this sole case when it comes to pals and pokemon, this one is pure coincidence.
There's too many Pokemon for there to never be coincidences like that yeah lol, also On Google Images, look up Pokemon Dragonquest Copy, one of the first few pictures shows DIRECT copies of Dragonquest creatures that Pokemon were. Koffing, Ghastly, Dragonite, etc were ALREADY copies themselves.
Yeah, like, Anubis would've 100% existed without Lucario existing first
Also, Nintendo doesn't own Anubis.
Lucario is one of the most popular pokemon of all time, and the visual similarities are pretty strong.
As a big Palworld supportor, I feel it's safe to say Anubis is inspired by Lucario fairly obviously.
People always comparing Grizzbolt to Electabuzz give themselevs away as having never seen a Zangoose.
THANK YOU!!! I was looking for this comment
@@Belzabond Haha, it's WILD how many of these vids all say it or have the thumbnail 😂
Drives me nuts - at least get your accusations correct, right?
Damn i didn't even think of that, i keep forgetting that zangoose exist unfortunately, you are quite right.
I love zangoose so much.
i love how everyone throws flopie as *its tinkaton+ sylveon, and noone brings to mention that its doing the lake trio pose
Well there have been statements that, that design was done before Tinkaton was even revealed
@@justanothersilentprotagoni9139 yep. Flopie appeared in the original Palworld reveal trailers, which came out well before Pokemon Scarlett and Violet launched.
@@lightningstrike9876do you got a link to the trailer
@@johnedwards4313 Just look up Palworld trailer and watch the one that is like 2-3 years old.
@@johnedwards4313look it up, not hard
i would have loved for this video to have more than 12 seconds of research.
especially at the meme portion at the end
What do you mean?
This commenter has 0 analysis skills
I was with you right up until comparing Bushi with Mawhile, and then I just stared at my screen blinking for a few minutes
yeah i dont get where he get the idea that bush is mawile LOLOL. i dont understanddddd
I don’t get it either. I just don’t see it.
I guess the pants/ legs both look similar? That’s the extent of it though
This video was hella rushed and inconsistent
Not to mention a lot of his lower tier placements were literally because: "In any other game, this design would be fine...but because it's in Palworld, it's a blatant rip-off".
NGL man, the Woolipop= Slurpuff feels like reaching, sure they both cottan candy, but woollypop is absolutely a goat/sheep not a dog
its a poodle but yes like sheep poodle
@@TCG313 WOOLipop
Most of this is reaching.
@TCG313, it is a sheep
Even if it was a dog, I've never seen Slurpuff/Swirlix as dogs tbh. The fact that anyone would is complete news to me lol, so I'd say that one's a pretty big reach when there are many much more egregious examples.
"what do you make your cotton candy sweet monster? a fluffy dog??" its name is literally Woolipop. It's another sheep, not a dog. :-)
Perhaps it is a sheep-dog. Ba-dump, tiss! 🥁
It’s apparently both?
I stopped watching as soon as he said that
@@akkimessiah3219 because no one is ever allowed to get anything wrong? this kind of reaction is exactly what Lockstin, myself, and many other members of this community aim to avoid. we like to use sympathy and critical thinking to inform our reactions. please try to do so next time you leave a comment anywhere, you'll feel better if you do
You wouldn't get this wrong if you used critical thinking lmao they look nothing alike @@pizzzaeater1425
This comment is a response to your closing statement:
I feel like the sentiment "Palworld is what Pokémon should be" isn't the most accurate of ideas. What that sounds like to me is people wanting more out of the Monster Tamer/Creature Collector genre that isn't just more turn-based RPGs. Monster Taming/Creature Collecting has been stuck in this rut because the very roots of the genre, Megami Tensei, was itself a turn-based RPG. And no one has really deviated from those roots as hard as Palworld.
Monster Rancher tried being different by being more of a simulation game. Didn't really stick around, though. (I think its still kind of relevant in Japan, but we haven't seen it internationally in a long time) Digimon World 1 was also more of a pet raising game, but Digimon also shifted towards turn-based RPGs as time went on. We can see a pattern begining to form.
For Monster Tamer/Creature Collector games to be successful in the past, they needed to follow the trend. That trend being turn-based RPGs. Which caused the genre to stagnant.
So Palworld is sort of a perfect storm of sorts. It entered early access at a time where the audience perception of the Pokémon games is at the lowest it has ever been. So people are actively looking for something different. ANYTHING DIFFERENT! And here comes Palworld to fill that void right when people were looking for it.
I honestly feel that literally any game where you can catch and use monsters that wasn't a turn-based RPG would have the same people clambering for it. Palworld was just the first in a long time to see success internationally. But you also can't just make Pokémon into Palworld without the edge because Pokémon at it's very core is a turn-based RPG. That is a core part of its identity. And removing that core no longer makes it Pokémon. So the disappointment of Legends: Arceus being a turn-based RPG is honestly quite silly if you ask me. Because if people went into PLA with the expectation it wasn't going to be a turn-based RPG, then they never really wanted a Pokémon game in the first place.
12:18 Hisuian Decidueye when Lockstin says Pokémon hasn't done a ronin: 🤨
But isn't Hisuian Decidueye more of a martial artist?
Its design is based on one, but it's also an owl, whereas the Pal is humanoid.
12:17 All Yokai Watch fans known this Pal is just the Yokai Sheen. Even has the same damn hat flame.
Now that we know they will take designs from other monster capture games, we should look into it.
Yes, it looks exactly like it with minor tweaks!!
Truuuue
I would moreso say all Yo-Kai Watch fans have already been through this situation where Pokémon fans called Yo-Kai Watch a Pokémon ripoff and bankrupted sales in the US even though it wasn't even a similar game to Pokémon.
Yea I noticed that too, I still want to play Palworld whenever I will get the chance
So, what I'm getting from all this is:
Nostalgia is a cancer.
It's not necessarily nostalgia. What we're seeing is people defending a brand because if nostalgia without realizing this isn't hurting their memories. Game freak is. Pokemon hasn't evolved ever. They refuse to because of this weird brand loyalty people have. If it was any other product people would have dropped it decades ago. We grew up pokemon didn't. Even the pokemon legends formula seems to be dead in the water despite johto being the perfect place to take it next.
@ralcogaming7674 yea, they've never really cared to shake things up for the games. I don't know if this makes sense, but it kinda feels to me as if Gamefreak is trying to give a "move with us or we move through you" attitude to its audience without realizing that it goes both ways. I might have no desire to play Palworld, but it has nothing to do with brand loyalty.
So much mess beause of this damn game. Like yeah I agree that they definitely "burrowed" some desgins, but can we please not send death threats? Come on people we got to stop doing it.
Also its nice to see a reasonable takes on this game. I still dont think it will manage to beat pokemon but it will be nice if they will learn some things from them (except learning how do desgin creatures because my god pokemon and almost any other monster taming game out there clear them on that department with ease).
The death threats is something literally anyone famous gets, it is of course not okay, but many people pretend all valid criticism is in the same category as those and thus just label criticism as harassment. But I actually don't believe they deserve any flack because they didn't do anything wrong.
If you think they should be called out for it are you calling out Pokemon as well?
On Google Images, look up Pokemon Dragonquest Copy, one of the first few pictures shows DIRECT copies of Dragonquest creatures that Pokemon were. Koffing, Ghastly, Dragonite, etc were ALREADY copies themselves.
Call them out for what though? For what purpose? The designs are quite deliberate. If they claimed originality then bombs away! If they add the Luxray copy-cat Pal I can't wait for Poke-seething part two.
Personally while i believe the majority of the designs are meant to strike similarities for the sake of overall parody of the notion of pokemon. I very much enjoy this inspiration vs plagiarism tier list over others because you showed in the prior video that there are legitimate explanations to the origins of the Pals, and showed that regardless of the design itself there is thought present. You actually know what you are talking about when making these comparisons.
Couldn’t agree more with you, like there’s quite a few I would have personally moved down just based on comparing unique features in models (of the level of the Primarina hair), but there’s also a lot which are unique and its nice to see that recognised. There’s nothing I love more than fair critique.
Actually there’s some I think he might have been too harsh on, and would have moved up in the tier list.
One of the best takeaways to have from a video like this is that if you're a fan of a property, you'll see it in the first person. I.e. every Pokemon is original and Palworld is stealing their designs. Except wait, Pokemon also have some too close for comfort rips from other media properties as well. Its okay to be derivative because chances are, even the most original ideas have roots from somwhere else.
Except he's a hypocrite. On Google Images, look up Pokemon Dragonquest Copy, one of the first few pictures shows DIRECT copies of Dragonquest creatures that Pokemon were. Koffing, Ghastly, Dragonite, etc were ALREADY copies themselves. I don't see him calling Pokemon out .
@@BS-gk2cb Ok buddy, pokemon ripping from other franchises is being a little to harsh. That's like saying Yo-Kai copied. One thing is using the same base/inspiration, Palwolrd does that for the majority of the designs and that's fine. As lockstin said, the designs that are clear copies are just the ones that appear on social media
Yeah, there's no way it wasn't intentional. It seems like they were going for the shock factor of pokemon-esque creatures and doing vile things with them and to them as a contrast the overly family friendly tones of pokemon/nintendo games.
Why do I feel that like half of C tier should be either in B tier according to the descriptions at the start of the video, or that there needs to be another tier in between B and C?
For real...a lot of the lower placed Pals were literally placed so low because of "In any other game, this design would be okay...but because it's specifically in Palworld, it's a blatant rip-off."
@@bloodwolfgaming9269 it's literally bias! This entire video is just bias!
"You can't own designs and concepts in broad terms."
So... like Digtoise being a mix of Blastoise and Bowser because... turtle? The amount of times I see people compare monster turtles to Blastoise and Bowser is a little ridiculous. Spiked shell? Has to resemble Bowser, he's the only turtle with spikes. Has 'toise' in the name? Must be blastoise, because he's the only tortoise monster.
That's like me saying Bowser ripped off Gamera because he breathes fire and spins, or Dreadnaw is a discount Blastoise because they are both water type and turtles, lol.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with most of the list, but some are being blindly labeled without giving them the fair shot.
... oh wait, there's a furry little Yu-Gi-Oh! monster that has drills on his back, my bad, Digtoise copied him after all, lol. He spins too? Straight rip off of Goofy's turtle form in Kingdom Hearts.
a good thing to remember about that mod that got taken down was that it was behind a paywall which is why it was taken down i believe
Yeah, but judging by how insanely fast it was taken down I don't think the Game Freak devs are unaware of Palworld, if they had any precedents to sue they would have already.
I'm pretty sure it was also full of models ripped direct from either Sword and Shield or Scarlet and Violet, which is probably why it got the axe.
When I first laid eyes on Direhowl, I immediately got this feeling of déjà-vu, that I had seen it somewhere and I just couldn't quite remember where... then you said "an anime wolf is an anime wolf" and it hit me: it looks like a super generic wolf-type monster from a fantasy manga (and I'm pretty sure there's a manga out there with a wolf that looks like 99% like Direhowl)
It reminds me of the monster rancher Tiger breed, but without the horns obv.
It looks like Wolf Link
It looks like Wolf Link
I mean, it could be argued that Direhoul is Twilight Princess Wolf Link form. It's very generic.
Let's not look at one part of the design (proceeds to look at one part of the design specifically the talons)
Summary, the drama online about Palworld is extremely overbloated by people on both sides of the argument
100% agreed! 👍
I see only hardcore Pokémon fans malding over it. Is this some kind of "both sides bad" ? Because most Palworld fans don't really cared till Pokekids got salty and started bashing the game.
As I am playing palword, I usually frequent the reddit of the game pretty often for help, mainly for resources or breeding help, and yeah, the palword fans can get pretty toxic.
@ZoomerStasi Some of them act like this game is gonna be the big pokemon killer, when we all know that's not true. And whenever you have genuine criticisms for the game they go "oooh, look at the salty pokemon fanboy" it's so irritating
@@personalemail9329 Literally no Pokemon fans are malding over anything bro, all sorts of people, Pokemon fans or not, just think it's lame that the designs are so blatantly copied, that's it. Palworld fans call everyone who thinks that Palworld is unoriginal a bootlicker even when most Pokemon fans hate GameFreak too. They act like Verdash and Cinderace aren't even remotely similar and will call you a shill for thinking they are while simultaneously spamming that Dragon Quest image saying that Shell Slime and Omanyte is an example of plagiarism by Game Freak. Both sides are toxic, but Palworld fans are even more so imo.
18:40 LOCKSTIN NOOO FLOPIE EXISTED BEFORE TINKATON!
wait what? damn that is funny.
I feel comparing palworld to the release of scarlet and violet is the only bad part of this video, while there could be some similarities for a few, the game I feel is to recent for pokemon from those games to be a proper reference to draw from.
Wait where was Flopie seen before the SV release
@@johnedwards4313 From memory it was in early trailers.
If anything, I wonder how the game will look after early access.
I respect this, but I disagree with so many things in here. And the way you use your own criteria to judge the design is so inconsistent and all over the place.
For starters, Leezpunk at C tier? That's literally an original design. You cited a purple pokemon that doesn't even come close to Leezpunk. This also applies to so many things there as well. Blazamut (completely unique take on Bahamut with reddish and firey theming), Lyleen, Celeray (doesn't even look nor has the same features and anatomy as Fineon), Chillet (doesn't even look like a Furret, not even anatomy or design choice, so different that it's an original design), so many more. I could list like at least 30% of this list being completely wrong.
The issue is that you only consider theme as the sole indicator of originality, and not considering the actual design itself. In fact, the majority of the C-F tiers (barring obvious ones like Verdash & Cremis), have distinctive designs from the theme they are inspired at. If this is your criteria, then the majority of Pokemons should also be faced with the same level of criticism. The majority of early Pokemons are simply old monster catcher designs in a different artstyle with barely any theme changes at all, even more blatant than Palworld. At least Palworld does change the theme and design philosophy. Like Digtoise is a fusion of Leatherback & Snapping Turtle in anatomy and doesn't even share the same design or theme as Bowser nor Blastoise. Floppy is way before Tinkaton. Frostallion is a Ice Pegasus that doesn't even share design principle nor theme as Rapidash. I could go on and on and relocate most of the C-F tiers to B-S tiers barring obvious ones.
And, oh my God! You even don't give them the benefit of the doubt and just jump straight to conclusion, which is the first thing that you do when judging design. You literally just said that just because the game's pal artstyle is inspired by Pokemon you automatically assumed that the majority are Pokemon ripoffs which is just plain dishonesty.
You do not consider the very fact that you can have the same theme with different design approach. That's such a basic art knowledge that I'm absolutely flabbergasted that you ignore something this obvious, and makes a tierlist that just boils down to (has a Pokemon theme ≠ ripoff).
I think you lean way too far in using Pokemon as the sole indicator and nitpick a lot of them. It's the same level of inaccuracy as the another design tier TH-cam video. At least with this video, it has some merits and backbone to it.
The problem in this video is like you said, it's using ideas that are vaguely similar to say that Palworld copied pokemon. But the question arises, with that same logic how many Pokemon were copied from Digimon or Dragonquest?
@@robertoorantes7346 and what's worse is that those Pokemon derivative designs are not even transformative like changing the theme and design but rather than simply changes due to a different art style. Like transliteration of a famous book.
Seriously, look at the old Pokemon designs and you can tell that they are straight up simplified anime versions of the monsters that they are based on, rather than having a unique theme. They only get more original during Gen 3 and forward. Gen 1 & 2 are full of ripoffs.
Don't get me wrong, Palworld has a handful of ripoff designs, but this video treated nearly half of the roster as Pokemon ripoff with a different label which irks me a lot. It's disingenuous!
@@brixxconnor3411 I will agree that some of the pals lower on the list deserves to be pushed up by a bit. the darkrai one in particular only has the color scheme and the hair. besides that, it's a really cool design. though the fire dragon things beside the "snorlax face"... screams way more monster hunter Teostra to me, just chibified... still, some hit too close to home. the one I will call out is the ferret one. though it does stand up straight, which ferrets HATE doing, just like furret... i think it should've been been put into C. the design has the same silhouette as furret... which in countries can count as copyright but regardless... the actual look of it besides the body is unique that it doesn't straight up have the same design... lockstin's opinions does tamper with some of them... but he has done A LOT of designs from other monster catchers, so we can kinda forgive him for that since... he has more then just pokemon to compare them to, like cassette beasts, digimon and a lot of others... which all have their own unique art style and designs...
the art style for the pal's does feel almost pokemon like... which makes most of the pal's LOOK like they belong in pokemon, which in itself... can be really... REALLY BAD for both palworld's image and pokemon's... for the latter, since everyone is calling it "pokemon with guns", it shifts the family friendly style of pokemon into a game that parents wouldn't want their kids to play since it might come off as too mature and intense... palworld, even if i don't play it, still looks to be a decent game. Not the best, cause that's opinion based... but it certainly doesn't shy away from being too close to the style of pokemon, even if the CEO never intended it. palworld, however, does harm the image of pokemon... sorry for coming off as a bit... rude or even difficult. I'm simply.. on the artists side. i wouldn't want their hard work, even if it's "technically" owned by a big company, to be a potentially stolen asset... i won't rule out the chance they are wholly unique but i will try to remain neutral.
again, sorry if i came off too strong
@@Payton-Deese a comment section is where you comment about the content?
I made my valid criticism in concise manner. And simply saying that "Why don't you do it?" is nothing but a deflection that does nothing but poison the well.
So, if you have nothing noteworthy to say at all, don't comment at all. I'm not even being toxic at all. Why you are so riled up for him?
@@Payton-Deese this is just a "consoomer" comment. He makes content to be consumed and be criticized. Otherwise, why bother making content at all, subjective or not?
Thank you for pointing out that Grimtale is based on the Cheshire Cat. I've seen other videos, like 2 or 3, and they keep saying it's Galarian Meowth. Both Grimtale and the Cheshire Cat are purple cats with yellow eyes and an evil smile. It's the first thing I saw when I seen Grimtale.
you can't get mad with pokemon fans noticing the model similarities, like do you guys remember how enrage pokemon fans about how pokemon keep using the same 3d model of their own games until gen 8? yeah can't blame them.
On Google Images, look up Pokemon Dragonquest Copy, one of the first few pictures shows DIRECT copies of Dragonquest creatures that Pokemon were.
Koffing, Ghastly, Dragonite, etc were ALREADY copies themselves, so if you're going to get mad at Palworld for copying, you better also be mad at Pokemon.
That’s called future proofing that’s not the samething
On Google Images, look up Pokemon Dragonquest Copy, one of the first few pictures shows DIRECT copies of Dragonquest creatures that Pokemon were.
Koffing, Ghastly, Dragonite, etc were ALREADY copies themselves, so if you're going to get mad at Palworld for copying, you better also be mad at Pokemon.
Yeah because that’s one of the main reasons why Gamefreak said the national dex was cut. They lied and the game still looked bad.
Palworld is a monster catching anime game. Some design tropes and body plans just work better than others so that’s why they look similar even if they can be more different for some examples.
@@madnessarcade7447 Wow shilling a bit ?
I love how measured this list is with mythology in consideration and benefit of the doubt applied.
And then chillet sits at the bottom as if Gamefreak owns the likeness to an actual, real life ferret.
This is definitely not giving benefit of the doubt.
13:56 ah yes ofc... game freak invented Ferets, i forgot about that
It's different enough, but tbf there's a few different ways that a ferret body can be depicted (wasn't there a ferret mob in dragon quest? that one's very different).
@@MusicComet i guess you are right, irrelevant tho
It’s a ferret, kind of hard for it to stay as a ferret looking animal if it no longer looks like a ferret.
normal ferrets don't stand upright like that
@@alexanderguevara5405 words mean things, but what do be?
"But will this finally Pokémon to do something different? Only time will tell..."
That hits different...
Love how everyone ONCE AGAIN are pinning the blame SOLELY on Game Freak, when I'm pretty sure it's THE POKEMON COMPANY who is FORCING them to pump these games out EVERY SINGLE YEAR, from a team they REFUSE to give MORE WORKERS for, and people think that massive time crunch is gonna magically make Pokemon games good? The problem is Game Freak CAN'T make Pokemon good because they DON'T HAVE THE TIME to do so. TPC needs to stop constantly expecting the games to be a yearly release so that GF can actually have TIME to work on them. Either that, or they need to bring in ANOTHER STUDIO to aid them (like, say, MONOLITH SOFT??? The arguable KING when it comes to open-world exploration games (Xenoblade, anyone?)).
Do I want Pokemon to be good? Yes. See Legends Arceus. While rough around the edges, I still had SOOO much fun with that game and I WANT them to make more Legends games and IMPROVE upon each one. But will TPC loosen their grip around GF's proverbial waist to allow them the time to make said improvements? NO. Cause all they care about is money. (and I presume they have to hold the 34+% percent to be the final say in every decision despite being a partial owner of Pokemon with Nintendo and GF, because if GF was truly the biggest shareowner, would they not have said "We are releasing Pokemon when we want to release it"? (especially given their other game they are STILL working on, btw) Or Nintendo? (Since Nintendo allows all their other IPs to be worked on and released WHEN THEY'RE READY to release))
I WANT GF to make Pokemon better and better. But until TPC lets go of their "We MUST release games annually because they HAVE to be connected to the merch/card game/anime/etc" mentality, then I don't know what GF can do outside of asking for more workers, more studios to help, or putting their foot down and demanding more time.
Comparing Jolthog to Shaymin is kinda unfair. The only similarity is that their both hedgehogs 24:41
if you want a better comparison look up Herissmon and its like very much obvious where some design influence came from
@@LostStarCelestial Thank you someone finally said it.
He agrees too. He literally says at the end “but it’s Palworld so it’s F tier” like bruuuhhhhh
We can add togedemaru (is it how this pokemon called?) and Jolteon spikes
38:53 as opposed to a small whale? It's like you say, Pokemon doesn't own concepts and "giant flying whale" is actually quite generic when you search for it.
Dragon Quest XI comes to mind
The wind fish from links awakening
The Space Whale ship from Final Fantasy 4
So now we start the waiting game for TerminalMontage and Lockstin to make the Palworld battle royale.
That would be fun, but how would you even do that since the battle mechanic is so simple?
I think Killamari might be based on 2 things:
1: Cute mascot hats. The long tendrils and the droopy ear-like things and big eyes really make me think it wants to be worn.
2: Mindflayers: Mindflayers are squid-like brain eaters, and its Pal entry seems to suggest it does this very thing.
The hat-like appearance might lure in unsuspecting victims into putting it on where its razor-blade teeth take care of the rest. It could also take ideas from Metroids which are also tentacled beings that eat brains, but the first two ideas presented are definitely more direct.
Yeah mindflayers are the first thing I thought of when I saw the lamprey mouth, it's not far off when you consider they're both squids and that d&d is one of the most popular games of all time (alongside Pokemon)
I feel like a lot less people would be complaining if there was more diversity in the Pals' inspirations.
Most of them always seem to be the same animals well known Pokemon or other decently large monster catcher games. It'd be nice if they threw in some more obscure animals and myths instead of copying a lot of popular concepts in other Japanese games.
Though admittedly if the Pals didn't look like Pokemon, I feel a lot less people would be talking about, and playing it. It's all in all a double edged sword.
This. The only reason this game is as popular as it is is because of how similar the designs are to Pokémon.
I find it a missed chance Palworld doesn’t have any pals that are part weapon, or like organically that, that’d be cool. Plus one of the tower bosses is canonically experimenting on pals, and that’s why the bird silvally exists, so they easily could explain there being cyberorganic pals.
My point here is they could’ve had a pal that was like the shitpost gunwolf galar third legendary
The Pals are actually all based on Gods and Norse mythology. Pokemon takes their ideas from anime characters (like mew two is inspired by a dragon ball z character, Dino mons are based on godzilla, etc). Some of the referenced are super obscure. The goat demon is a reference to campus and a pan. Pokemon never made a straight up plague doctor mon or anything either. I think people are getting thrown off by the similar art style and missing how different the designs and concepts actually are for most of them.
@@zellaus2649The issue would be people would claim it was ripping off Digimon then, because that is literally what digimon is. Simple ot complicated cartoon monsters with built in guns.
@1faithchick7 Palworld has a couple designs that already look very close to Pokémon, and one that’s even being compared to yokai watch by some people(even by those on this comment section), so I don’t think it’d really matter if people compared these theoretical ones to digimon, it’d be kinda whatever at that point. And if it did, maybe palworld could do better to actually make its own aesthetic identity, make it harder to compare.
also, Pokémon doesn’t only reference anime characters? Multiple are mythological or folklore references, some are just objects, some are just animals mixed together with another concept. I as well idk if every Dino Pokémon is a Godzilla reference, that feels almost dismissive of the variety of origins Dinosaur based Pokémon can have, like I don’t really see any Godzilla in tyrantrum or the craniodos line or archeops or.. I won’t rant on, but my point is they’re all very different, I get your point but it’s an oddly phrased point.
"If you change all the colours, stretch it in photoshop, then add another stretched image on top of it, it kind of looks similar. Plagiarism" okay
That was exactly what I thought looking at the screen and even after the final picture I was still like "uuuuh... yeah, I can *kinda* see that"
This is a complete joke
Where was that?
@@MusicComet Astagon, at about 10 minutes in