Ep21 : This might take a few Tons : Oxygen not included
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ต.ค. 2024
- So 10 tons of Enriched Uranium, 25 tons of refined carbon and I really need to start pumping water into the rocket right about now. We have a 10kg/s limit on water input.
Credits song - Aaron Kenny - Happy Haunts
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Mods
DGSM - Duplicants Generation Settings Manager // by @Ony
True Tiles (texture mod) : by Aki
Map Seed : V-VOLCA-C-1556283541-8YL0A2-C3
Save game file :
drive.google.c...
My guess for the lensing thing would be that the value of rads becomes negative if the value for radiation resistance is over 100, so if you put a second tile it makes the negative radiation negative again, becoming positive radiation.
Overflow
Or underflow in this case
@@telioty Not really an over/underflow in the traditional sense. Crossing the boundary of what the data type can hold would be under/overflow. But what seems to happen here is mostly about the sign getting flipped, and the game treating values less than 0 as 0 without actually setting it to 0.
this also means that you could send a single rad across the map and then re-amplify it back to what it was. Rad transport exploit.
@@dustingmorgan Slight nitpick: across a certain distance, yeah; across the map, not quite. It still has a hard distance limit based on the source of the rads. And yeah, you could definitely use it to create carefully tuned radiation "corridors" for radbolt or farming purposes without exposing your dupes to too much danger.
Watching last episode makes me want Francis to bring base reviews back
I think next time just a spare set of filled atmo suits would have let that bee trip go far smoother. That move to command is so useful.
Francis: So we're just gonna do a real casual run.
*Proceeds to dunk on everyone else who plays this game*
aw come on lol everyone can do what he's doing xD
I decided to do my own version 2 of the reactor rocket, using the tips and tricks that were shown off last episode. I sacrificed the monument, but now it shouldbe way more functional with a sauna, rocket piloting station, and a berry sludge farm. especially handy is I was able to gain an entire row of tiles across the top by using refined carbon across the top of the map.
I posted this on the other video, but I investigated the radiation weirdness, and this is what I found:
I did some investigation into this "radiation lensing" and it's incredibly interesting. Radiation blocking scales linearly with the mass of a tile. First, while the display normally caps at 100% blocking, it appears that the actual radiation math uses the "true" value, even if that's over 100%. This "lensing" effect only happens when there are two or more materials with a radiation blocking of more than 100% in a line. They do not necessarily need to be adjacent. Radiation alternates between 0 and existing each time it encounters a >100% tile. First it's 0, then some, then 0, then more, etc.
A way to mitigate this is therefore to have **three** >100% tiles in a row so that the radiation is gone at the end. I believe that appropriate reconfiguring of the refined carbon and water could make every tile safe, as a workaround for the lensing.
Based on my observations, this is what I believe is actually happening in the code (note, this code is in the sim, which modders cannot easily get the code for, so this is an educated guess):
Radiation is calculated by drawing "rays" out from the source. Each tile that these rays intersect, they do math to figure out what the value is for that tile, and then store that value and move on. Radiation blocking is stored as a value where 0.0 is 0% blocking and 1.0 is 100% blocking. For each tile, a ray of radiation is going to do:
newValue = oldValue * (1.0 - blocking)
For example, if blocking is 0.6 (60%) then we want to change the value to 0.4 times (40%) its original value.
However, notice that this code has a flaw if blocking values are allowed to be above 1.0 the multiplier becomes negative, and that explains all of the weirdness that we see.
Assume a starting radiation value of 1000, and many tiles in a row that have a blocking value of 1.5 (150%)
step 1 = 1000 * (1.0 - 1.5) = -500 (negative rads stay stored as negative)
step 2 = -500 * (1.0 - 1.5) = 250 (turned positive again!)
step 3 = 250 * (1.0 - 1.5) = -125
step 4 = -125 * (1.0 - 1.5) = 62.5
and so on
The alternating nature is why we see the alternation between 0 and many rads.
It additionally looks like there's a hard cap on the amount of rads that can exist in a ray, based on the distance from the source, but I do not fully understand its mechanisms.
there's a decay since rads will decrease with distance even without any materials
If this is true, blocking of >200% will allow magnifying radiation with 2 layers.
@@2tallyGr8 FJ shows this is still true in the video. The demonstration reactor where he is showing all this has ~9k rads at 3 tiles and ~7k at 4 or 5
I really love the edited oni vids. Especially since these are both edited and a between 30-50 min vs a 15-20 min super condensed. Also francis jams it quite full and it never feels boring. And he does other things not seen like the slicksters.
hey Francis, one impt thing to note for your next step is that debris formed on a tile of the same kind will merge with the tile below until natural tile mass first.
If you have 2545kg of coal on top of a 2545kg refined carbon tile, the coal will be merged into the refined carbon tile until it reach 4000kg first before it start forming the new tile
to get a tick clock to pulse anything real fast you can just plug not gate into itself!
So a Minecraft redstone in ONI?
I was poking around, and realized it's probably easier to make a radiation shield by melting lead, pouring it into a puddle containing 2500 kg and then refreezing it, given how long the refined carbon method took. Depleted Uranium would be even easier to melt and re-freeze, since it's melting point is only 132C, but getting 2500kg once is hard enough, let alone for a whole radiation shield
I need to doing some playing around with the Tepedizer I think they nerfed it when you reload which is why it took me so long.
15:25 In some update they changed the lander footprint to only one tile to avoid the problem when you couldn't send dupes to the asteroid if there wasn't enough flat space ;D
That's good to know, thanks! I've had that problem in the past with the shove-vole asteroid, sitting in space with 3 rockets (2 landers and a colonizer) for dozens of cycles waiting for the regolith to shift in a way that lets one land.
Oh damn, thanks youtube for recommending this literal seconds after it comes out. Today is a good day.
Regarding the refined carbon - build a coal tempshift plate right next to something hot enough in vacuum - instant refined carbon. As a bonus, if at a corner - it will be at the minimal conversion temperature
He needed more mass
Add mass into the refined carbon tile after it is formed
@@leonidmolochnikov4147 and how would you do that without the debug tool?
A Hellblade playthrough on this channel? Unexpected, but not unwelcome. One of my favorite games, looking forward to it!
That was an extremely scuffed space mission and I enjoyed every minute of it!
The most typical casual style, finally!
ONI remains my favorite series that you do. I'm very glad to see this back on the schedule!
7:45 i had fun testing the melting point of a dup using this long long time ago(when i knew how to play this game), only issue is the game does have a temperature for melting point for a dup but not a state so the game crashes once you hit like 2000c or somthing
That poor tepidizer was screaming! Dupes are expendable, but abusing that memory toggle is truly horriffic!
I used a metal refinery to heat up the carbon. It was significantly faster. But because I'am a masocihst I gave my rocket a refined carbon roof too. That was slow as hell, because I couldn't build at the top where I wanted the roof, so I couldn't give them drywall to submerge them in liquid.
You did grab some Saturn traps for food production, right? Gotta give those bees something useful to do once the uranium is gone.
Loved that bee mission, made me think about the movie Armageddon. ONI needs high stakes asteroid missions.
senua's sacrifice is interesting. its slow and story-like though. definitely something very different for this channel.
oh wow, thats gonna take a long time until that coal is refined^^
My suggestion for the new super spaceship and to follow the age old tradition of naming ships after people, the DSS (Dupe Spaceship) Francis John
Always enjoy your videos!
Now this is the part where narcolepsy becomes a major annoyance. Really adds a bit of a challenge, but in exchange for humor to the content which makes it enticing to watch. Hoping for a new series, starting from a different type of asteroid (maybe max difficulty, if you dare try) with all your dupes being anemic. Would actually try your challenge in the skewed asteroid, see how far I can survive 😆
Oh my, it's been a while since I saw the tepidizer pulse exploit used for any interesting purposes :)
11:26 I hope your landing modules are both the same metal, otherwise you won’t be building that 800kg landing pad!
They kept gasping for breath even in oxygen rich atmosphere because they wore empty atmosuits. You should have make them unequip the suits.
You might want to try turning clothing into refined carbon. I did it accidentally and I think it was at a low temperature.
@@2tallyGr8 Yes
@@2tallyGr8 Basically you do everything Francis has showed but you replace coal with a piece of clothing in the storage bin.
This works, but you have to factor the time creating enough clothing _per tile_ to get 100% rad resistance, and you still need a huge amount of energy to heat up that much clothing.
That story is soooo good.
Hellblade is an amazing game, definitely recommend doing it in one sitting if possible for the full effect. Headphones are a must too and have fun
The expedition to the other planet was so worth it. 😀
I find it better to keep the bees in separate cells after they've formed a hive. That way the resources are distributed more evenly (bees sometimes seem to cross the entire room to pick up ore rather than the tonne right next to them) and dupes are less likely to be stung by 800 bees all at the same time. Also, did you bring back saturn critter trap seeds? Infinite hydrogen from bee tinys being eaten is just peak ONI for me! :)
FJ, have you seen "Meet Your Maker"? It is a new game that involves creating some sort of dungeon for other players to beat. And the point is to engineer the most deadly dungeon possible. I think you would like it. At least you can add it to your wheel :)
Oh I have seen it, looks like torture. Either spend ages making a horrible nearly unbeatable maze or try beating a horrible nearly unbeatable maze. I don't think I hate myself enough 😁
On this Ep21 I've decided for good that this ONI playthrough was absolutely NOT casual. How to dare playing myself after all this...
4:55 Why you heat all those bottom metal tiles ?
19:27 that's a big pocket for 2 dupes, 5kg in each tiles, not a geode but still a lot of oxygen.
Would be interesting to put a beeta hive inside the nuclear rocket
edit: before someone says the last video already featured it, I was talking about for refinement, not hydrogen
In the bedroom!
24:30 - That's what happens, Francis, when you try to play quick and dirty :)
I've managed to get the same toggling of automation by connecting the not gate inputs and outputs. Easier setup ;)
OMG I absolutely loved Hellblade. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. :)
I don't really understand why you need more uranium, I mean grab this one to start the reactor, then move the whole rocket to the other asteroid and refuel there, bees are producing so fast that you shouldn't need more than a hundred of cycles to have a decent production facility
thanks for save f
ile, i appreciate it bro, already subcribe
11:10 You can make a rocket platform using 1 steel trailblazer module and 1 steel rover module
Unless they have changed it you can run a a wire thru a not gate to get a tepadizer above there normal temp.
I know you can still leave them in their atmo suits, it is a bit slower but they will not die.
1:17
Oh no, someone take away his screwdriver
That bee wrangling sure was frustrating
are you going to do a play through on the lab map after this? as it turns out there are a lot of weird quirks in the map like little puzzles (and time bombs) that are scatter through out the map that you dont normally get in a randomly generated map seed.
I think It's to late to do a lab run, well not so much to late as if I stated the comments would tell me everything to expect.
I will have to do some base lovin on the map to see how everyone approached it.
Can you just so Frostpunk?
You'll love it, its exactly your type of game. AND frostpunk 2 is going to come out soon too
I'm going to stick with the wheel of torment and it's ever expanding list of games.
I'm finding the variety entertaining.
I don’t understand how you manage your dupe stress so we’ll but I am so crazy impressed, my dupes have lived on hundreds of cycles of 82-100% stress and it is a STRUGGLE lol
basic rooms, including a nature reserve which they pass through every day, and lots of decor in places they hang around for long periods every day. I choose to farm abyss bugs, it's free and easy. The decor bonus gets averaged per day, so they only have to spend like a minute or so in a 2000+ decor environment in order for their daily decor bonus to be the maximum 120, even if they spend the whole day working near ugly debris and heavi-watt wire.
I really like this series 🔝👍
Thanks for the video
Oxygenating the rocket with liquid oxygen solves the cold bee problem
wait why did Francis heat up the coal in such a manner? When he deleted Steel tiles?
okay he answered my question lol. You can use a metal refinery to do the same thing.
just paint that crap in lol... could you not just drop in magma on top of it? small quantities of course.. I am gonna figure that one out
I was waiting for this
damn, heat signature is a great game and would've been an excellent pick, i think. very easy to pick up and put down as and when.
As an amateur apiculturists, I can conquer, bees thrive in vacuum.
Just watched the trailer for *spoilers* and I think the vibe is cool.
I see this as the literal opposite of that "cutesie" game from, it turns out, longer back than I thought, but still remember.
It might bring balance, lol.
HellBlade Senua's Sacrifice is a fucking amazing game. Its about 8-10 hours long and my god what a ride it is I really hope you like it, its definitely a single player story game but for an exception to the style of games you play it is an amazing exception
@@d.6325 variety is the spice of life my friend.
So after about 5 hours of play time I can safely say it does not suit the channel at all but I have loved playing it so far. Generated way to much footage recording it though.
@@FrancisJohnYT glad youre liking the game! you could always just upload a mega episode of you playing it from start to finish!
It looks like it puts negative radiation on the next block, which reverse it with any form radiation blocks.
5k - 150% would be -2.5k, which when blocked again at 150% returns to 5k.
Untested guess.
It would only return 1.25k in that case, and it wouldn't really explain how it seems to always cap at the same value as if there was zero absorption - though that might just be an existing safety feature
@@shadamethyst1258My guess is that it doesn't calculate rads incrementally, it calculates the combined absorbtion multiplier and then merges that with the distance falloff. The final absorbtion value is capped between 0 and 1, but the per tile values aren't checked, which is why the lensing effect happens. The cap at 1 is why it's never more than the unblocked value.
I'm just surprised you didn't grab those Saturn traps
Could have just sent a robot with the dup. It has a lander.
Oh my god, you're playing Hellblade? OHOHOHOHOH! You're in for one wild ride... It'll give you a chance to flex that RTX card of yours a little
I think you might be able to land a rocket with one dupe? I think if you use one lander and one rover that's enough to build the landing platform and then it's down to whether or not you can remote tell the rocket to land without a dupe onboard.
8:50 what do you mean theyre exploitative?
We literally use this kinda stuff in electronics. Oh wait I guess its the tepidiser part
you can combo the trailblazer module with the rover and colonize a planet with a single dupe. Also: wtf happened to the teleporter thingies on the other planetoid?
We turned off the teleporters on game creation to make things more interesting.
That's the reason I avoid them, said he. Yes, Francis, you totally avoided that, sure, lol.
Dont you have a little bit of Molten Steel somewhere to bring a bit of temperature into your refined Carbon?
The steel is very hot but it has very low specific heat capacity. Even if I poured 800kg of 3000C steel on the 25,000 kg of coal it would make very little difference.
isnt there an orbital delivery module that would have fired steel down to the planet surface from orbit?
You can but it will land randomly all over the surface and you still have to drop a dupe to build the platform. I just found it faster and more reliable to send down two dupes.
Why strip-mining? Weren't it more efficient if bees mine it themselves?
Oh it is, but we don't need a lot of enriched Uranium to get started. We will have enough from this to run one reactor for 1000 cycles which is plenty of time to strip mine the Uranium asteroid or start space mining.
You should add Cosmoteer to that list! It's a bit like Starsector
Added to the list, a list I am sure I will never get to the end of.
@FrancisJohnYT I know you already have too many of them, but I can't help it. Have you ever played Spacechem and Opus Magnum? They are games where you have to solve a problem by building something and you have to deal with a trade-off between cost and efficiency. I would love to see how you would solve them, and I think you would enjoy them, if you want to check them out. There's also Human Resource Machine, which is more like programming.
looking good
32:43 What was that plume of steam? The fluid-shunt bug again?
Not sure, it seems to happen during saves and changing screens to view the rocket interior.
It does not appear to cause as problems to the map so I tend to just ignore it.
Isn't the bee planet the one with the teleporter on it? Couldn't you have just thrown them the resources?
Pretty sure he has the teleporter turned of from the start.
For oxygen fill and destroy water tanks with polluted water an obscene number of times on air flow tiles and put a row of deodorizers along the exit.
1:05 there is a mod called (improved AI) completely solves this problem
Never clicked a yt notification so fast
Same
GG Francis
Did that petroleum line get reconnected to the generators off camera?
Yes I remembered to hook that back up, I should have been less casual about disconnecting that line.
25:31 max Speed is not helping there, I think
Nice one
I've that Hellblade is a good game I personaly got it from my Humble Bundle subscription. Well I have been too busy playing ONI so I haven't tried out Hellblade yet. So will be interesting to see you play it then.
I am getting close to have 7K hours clocked in ONI by now. XD
Moar!
dont you lose half of the materials when u mine it, didn't u lose half of your uraniam on the map
yes. yes he did. he will have more. *SOON.*
You lose half, but the bees can load it 10x faster.
@@AlexSwavely i see
We will end up with enough uranium to keep a reactor running for 1000 cycles. We could have increased that to 2000 with on site bees but that would have required an awful lot of work to make the areas safe for beed. Easier to make it in the vacuum of space.
Plus when you start space mining Uranium we can just drop it in the space bee enclosure.
Yay. More Francis and ONI.
Also Happy 'MU&RICA Day.
RIm WORld?
the MOST interesting
YES !
25:33 Боже, да сними ты с них скафандр.
Francis, ditch the game wheel and just play Avorion!
Can you please name a Dup after me, I would really like a engineer please
pogis new video
Man, it really bothers me how he pronounces it "bay-ta" when it's literally spelled "bee-ta"
Will Hellblade be the first non-sandbox game on this channel?
Well I have done some Shipbreaker and an episode of Stalker, but not full playthroughs.
I just connected a timer to tempedizer to cheese it up. Memory switch fells like a straight up vandalism over game engine. :D