Ep17 Easier ways to fuel a rocket : Oxygen not included
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ต.ค. 2024
- Been meaning to get around to this for a while. I want to start ranching slicksters as it's sustainable long term. Also bought me a bit of time to start melting down the rockets.
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Mods
DGSM - Duplicants Generation Settings Manager // by @Ony
True Tiles (texture mod) : by Aki
Map Seed : V-VOLCA-C-1556283541-8YL0A2-C3
Save game file :
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“hope you enjoyed, and…good luck” makes me smile every time.
35:30 Here goes a bottle of a liquid super hot steel XD (I was like NOOOOOO! when I saw it)
Careful sets up area for all possibilities. Dupe carefully runs it to pump. Oops lunch break!
could use your solar farm to dispose of the carbon dioxide in a slightly closer route
Not enough throughput. Module has 1 input and he is producing 1.5 to 2 pipes worth
The industrial sauna is one of the funniest setups in ONI to me. In the real world machinery running in superheated steam would rust to hell in no time, not to mention the intense difficulty involved in operating said machines while wearing a heavy hazardous environment suit. Plus don't forget the effects it would have on the end products, and the power leakage from the batteries.
ONI is like dwarf fortress in that the more the game attempts to simulate reality the stranger the exploits, glitches, and utterly unrealistic player made contraptions get.
It's totally silly and makes no senses in real world terms, but then again moving around molten steel and magma with a pitcher pump is not very sane either.
And use liquid steel as a coolant to produce more steel xd
@@FrancisJohnYT Yeah but if you're at the point where you're filling the plastic bottles made of friendship with magma and liquid steel you're probably already doing something pretty stupid, even by the game's standards.
@@FrancisJohnYTPersonally I'd like to see the mop that can soak up and withstand the temperatures of molten steel. The plastic bottles it's stored in after are pretty impressive as well.
Just finished watching the previous episode, and now this episode is appears. Perfection! :D
Damn Franics
Ive been having a bad few weeks aswell and he's saving my sanity lol
Great video as always. I'm surprised you haven't demolished the entire map yet!
I have started venting CO2 anywhere outside steam rooms and living areas. Eventually the entire map becomes full of CO2, every other gas rises to the top and escapes to space. It takes a while but eventually the entire map is a single gas and you need way less insulated gas pipes, it a bit better for performance. Its also like playing the game in dark mode.
After a few (many) runs and setting up plastic production, I now prefer ranching glossy dreckos late game instead of using polymer presses. It does require a few mealwood plants for 8 glossy dreckos in the ranch. But then I put all the extra dreckos in another room to be sheered as well. So, I end up with over 100t of plastic before I even have a oil/petroleum boiler or start messing with space. I suppose the dirt isn't a sustainable resource for thousands of cycles. But I have yet to run out.
I generally prefer to feed them with bristle blossoms cause you generally already need to temperature control the water anyway so the farm doesn't break just from dreckos heating stuff up with their normal uh heat.
@@derekoyama501 I run a cooling loop through their ranch or use a wheezewort to keep it cooled. I think the mealwood makes them grow their scales back the fastest of all the food types they can eat too. But the higher temps would be nice.
That duplicant dropping a bottle of liquid steel is amazing!! lol 35:31
Looking forward to the episodes of the ominous "that looks dumb" game.
Have a great vacation.
Hey Francis,
In the oil well you can replace the liquid lock step with a mesh tile, that would be your liquid lock that never breaks since the oil from the well would always occupy the space. Cheers
I was thinking about that while I was waiting for the oil to build up in the liquid locks, decided if the oil would not overflow I would switch to mesh. But thankfully the oil overflowed.
Francis always fires up his contraptions while they are still being built. It is very entertaining because I get so concerned. 😅
Mercury must be in retrograde. We get an extra ONI Episode!!!! Woot!
35:31 that liquid steel grenade!!! 😅
For your trip to Edinburgh, I enjoyed the whisk(e)y at the "Whiski Rooms" on N Bank St when I visited the city a couple of years ago. For beer the Brewdog brewery is a good choice. Since you are into digging and underground places, I recommend Mary King's Close, The Banshee Labyrinth, and the national mining museum of Scotland (SE of the city). I got lucky and had a guided tour by a retired miner who used worked at the place from age of 16.
Enjoy your vacation Francis! Hope your quest for good whiskey is successful!
Great episode!
31:24 so, it is salt water. The conversion to normal water is not 1:1! The conversion is more like ~2.16 liters of saltwater = 2 liters of water.
You are still safe with the 2.8, but if you want to go for 3 reservoirs, you have to use a little more 😊
With the petroleum boiler, the output of water from the petroleum generators is more than goes into the wells, so he can eventually swap over to using the water output as his reservoir input, for an infinite self-sustaining water/oil/petroleum/polluted water loop which produces more at every step than it uses.
@@yaemz123 sure ! Petboiler s water positive
I like keeping my plastic press(es) inside the industrial sauna, I just have an autosweeper set to immediately grab the freshly-made plastic and put it on a conveyer rail to leave the sauna immediately and get dropped off somewhere cooler. The new plastic won't overheat in the few seconds it takes to get out where the air is cooler. The only thing to watch for is the press directly outputs steam, so the steam pressure in the sauna very gradually increases. That's a very long-term issue though.
Literally the first time I've ever seen the automation ribbon, i was so confused what was queued up at first 😂
Hi Francis! Love the videos, you're my go-to for everything Oxygen Not Included. Had an idea for a video suggestion so thought I'd pop it here... On your next colony, every open space, unless it is another room or tank etc, has to be a nature reserve. Hope you enjoy creating an ecological paradise! :D
About Edinburgh:
I've drinked a lovely pint of Guiness in "The Black Rose Tavern". But only if you are more rocky vibes. :)
Brewhemia- Thats a good restaurant- good food, lovely staff.
I would invite you for a trip around Edinburgh, but I'm going for my holidays from this moday. Sorry, mate! :D
If you want to go above 20 kg of steam pressure in your sauna a trick that I came up with for a slush boiler that I designed a while back was to use meter valves instead of an atmo sensor. Trying to use an atmo sensor was just really erratic due to the pressure fluctuactions and not terribly pleasing from a design standpoint to me, not to mention I wanted more than 20kg of pressure to act as a larger thermal battery. The additional pressure would help with your CO2 issue I think. Basically you just calculate how much excess water you're going to be producing (3kg/s of p water for four generators, 3kg*0.99 to account for dirt, =2970g/s on the valve. You can pull this off of the turbine exhaust with the meter valve and return the excess back to the sauna like normal. You can even automate the turbines to run alongside the generators if you want so that they're only pulling out water while the generators are running, just tie them into the same automation wires as the generators. For my slush boiler power was secondary to boiling efficiency so I also blocked off a few of the turbine ports, you could get away with blocking a port on each turbine and still pull out the full amount of water and save having to reboil some of the excess exhaust
To me this is the best solution because you have a constant flow of water rather than random packets, a constant trickle of power to keep your batteries topped off, and you can run the steam room at whatever pressure you want rather than being limited to the atmo sensor's 20kg
Also, on the geothermal plant overheating, I think the bigger issue was the steam pulling heat from the abyssalite which was pulling heat from the lava rather than your transformers/batteries. A single layer of abysallite transfers heat just fine. It's slow, but it's far from nothing. It has to be double layered for it to have an insulating effect
okayoookay I don't saw that's coming BUT I going to tried !! thankss
I really liked the overview of the whole petroleum journey! Have a great vacation!
Enjoy your Holidays Francis and look forward to hearing some great stories as well :)
Without this channel F-J this game would fly over my head. Thanks for all you do. Happy Holidays.
Woah. When I saw that automation wire ribbon I had a flashback to oldschool modded minecraft. It's been a hot minute....
Seeing that duplicant drop liquid steel while you were filling the container made me jump in my chair.
"Looking forward to drinking all your Whiskey, Scottish people."
That sounds like a challenge there, Francis. ;)
Nice :D I love finishing my week with another Francis John's video :D YEEEEEPEEEEE
Another good way to consume petroleum is with the new Blastshot Maker (and by extension, the Meteor Blaster building). Note that blowing up meteors instead of letting them hit your bunker doors means that you lose 100% of whatever the meteor was made of, but might be a good way to keep your rocket area clear of debris (AND blow stuff up, Win/win). One Meteor Blaster keeps an area of 33x33 tiles above itself clear (provided it has clear sky/space light above), and the blastshot itself costs 5kg refined metal + 10kg petroleum
have a great vacation! thanks for the great videos as always.
The way to make glass forges completely break proof is to put them in a vacuum on airflow tiles.
There’s an interaction tile where outgoing molten glass will thermal exchange. Place one of the new vacuum heat exchangers on any tile but that one to cool it with your loop.
Thank for the video, i wasnt expecting it. On point to my lunch, what a timing
Enjoy your vacation, I'm sad no ONI for a week or so but still happy for you to explore!
It's unfortunate there will be no oxgen not included, however have a great time. You rock
Visited Scotland before Covid... Spayside is the whiskey part... A family trip around Glenfiddich distillery was nice, Chivas Regal destilary was close also... A cooper shop... Reminds me of the good old times :)
Comment is too late, but Edinburgh is a great night out and a decent pint in many a place. Hope you enjoyed it my friend. The Guinness can’t ever be as good as Ireland though, that’s an impossible goal.
I was mostly drinking whiskey but you do want a pint now and then to clear the pallet.
@@FrancisJohnYT There are some great Japanese whiskeys floating around right now.
By the way I'm binging all your content. Thank you! I found you via rimworld but now you made me buy ONI and I'm brand new into the game but can't stop playing. 1st colony. About 500 cycles into the game so far. Almost died a few times but somehow I'm stable and thriving at the minute haha. You taught me loads!
Oh neat. I initially thought this was yesterday's episode, then I realized it was a different number. sweet.
Maybe using carbon skimmers at the bottom of the steam room would be more efficient and easier. You could use the excess output from the steam turbines and dump the polluted water output down there to basically recirculate the water once more, you'd also get some dirt out of it, instead of just venting the CO².
After 23 years of using liquid locks that always have a chance of failing, I have decided to always use the airlock mod. Hands down my favorite mod since Klei "procured" the pliers mod :)
Alternatively I recommend designing elaborate over-engineered self-repairing liquid lock systems. Never mind that they're large, expensive, slow to walk through, and not actually that reliable because they aren't tested very often…
Forgotten auto sweeper between the Rock crushers.
This episode makes me miss the industrial freezer block
Have you ever tried Compressed Fluid Storage?
It's been a while but it involves using several automated doors to push your gas/liquid down in a small area with pumps in it for extraction. If you use airflow tiles for fluids (and strong tiles for gas) you can fit thousands and thousands of tons into a 4x6 or 4x8 space.
looks like one of the gas pipes for your food-chilling thermal regulator is running through your industrial sauna. could this cause problems?
"that water goes to the oil well, as well" Francis 2023.
Can’t bloody believe you’ll be in Edinburgh the week I’m away! I live a short train trip and would’ve loved to buy you a pint!
Only proper Guinness I’ve seen poured was by my Irish friend in a bar called the Royal Oak, near the Royal Mile. That was 12/14 years back so can’t tell you if they still do it good.
Been out of the city for too long but Hanging Bat was a good one for beer selections (other comment’s recommended it as well).
great video, can't wait to see the madness of your rocket exploration
Hey Francis John! Great video 😁
I was thinking about the automation of the petroleum tanks. If you combine both wires coming from the tanks into an OR gate. That way you can besure that all 4 petroleum generators are activated to burn the overflow :)
Another sustainable cycle that could be added to yours is, instead of throwing all the CO2 away, combine some of it with the excess water from the steam engines to make more polluted water that can be fed directly into pincha pepper plants in a Drecko ranch (who will drop the phosphorus needed for the plants). The rest of the CO2 and water can then be used with the pincha peppers to make espresso (or whatever)... You get the idea...
You can combine CO2 and water to make polluted water?
@@geeksdo1tbetter Yes, with the carbon skimmer. It'll remove 300g/s of CO2, turning 1000g of water into 100g of polluted water.
How am I supposed to survive a week without you Francis?? Enjoy your holiday!
Edinburgh is my favourite city!
Suggested Attractions:
Camera Obscura (optical illusion attraction on the royal mile)
Mary King's Close (Historical attraction on the royal mile)
Underground Vaults.
The Castle (walk up to the esplanade at night!)
Palace of Holyrood House (if you like that sort of thing)
Scottish Parliament (if you like that sort of thing)
There's a hidden away wild west TV set down a back street somewhere (google it)
Suggested Pubs/Bars:
Deacon Brodie's Tavern (On The Mile)
The Hanging Bat (Amazing Selection of Beers)
Brewdog Cowgate (Small and friendly)
The Auld Hoose (Order the nachos - you wont be disappointed!)
I'll doubtless be able to think of more if you're interested!
Is the auld house a student bar? Did you send me to a student bar 🤣🤣🤣
@FrancisJohnYT oh, ha maybe a bit, yes. Sorry! Still, envious of those nachos!
@@garybrooks4462 we were a bit stuffed when we arrived so no nachos. Will pop back in the next day or two and devour a bowl they looked amazing.
Good call, the nachos were amazing.
Love your videos!
My favorite pub in Edinburgh is Brass Monkey on Drummond Street, It's got a great vibe
Just finished yesterdays episode, ahh a good day.
Flaking is definitely intended. And the best-stupid source of Tungsten (~melting Abyssalite) :D
Enjoy Edinburgh. I loved visiting it a few years back.
Always love your ONI playthroughs. I learned everything I know about the game from you and Brothgar. I wanted to suggest that since you now have a ton of excess power, apply some good old fashioned Brute Force And Ignorance to some problem. What is a simple problem you could solve efficiently if you wanted to, but could instead solve by just throwing 1000 kW at it?
Have an awesome vacation FJ! Make sure not to drink so much you don't remember it! LOL
Hey, just a thought, but do you think doing a "no long commute" colony would be interesting/challenging? Or with the way they prioritise tasks, would it just lead to idling.
Should the plastic presses also be controlled by automation, so they don't use up your petroleum reserves?
Highly recommend Glen Goyne Distillery. Has a great tour and tasting and is an easy drive from Edenborough
i always get excited when i see you have a new oxygen not included video:)
Just a possible tip.
I usually do the plastic production inside the sauna, and do use of automation to take it out of the sauna before could melt!
you may need to take more care with the petroleum temperature, I think.
If your traveling up near stirling theres a little village callled Deanston that has a very old Distillary. They do tours and tastings and theres a wee bothy for lunch. Good place to visit. its not miles up north and its not one of these new modern distillarys like most of the central belt has. I live there also haha
You can do some crazy things inside melted rockets. Like: a ranch, water tank, infinite food storage,cooling loop, oxygen generation, solar power, a barracks, latrine, great hall, park, and can sustain 4 dupes for 160 cycles without adding in more water.
if you happen to take a day trip to Glasgow there's a pub called The Pot Still that has more whisky on the wall than any other pub in the UK
Francis John is ONI royalty
Enjoy your time in Edinburgh. I'd offer to meet up with you as a fellow Irish man but I'm not knowledgable about whisky and my bases though over 1k cycles more than yours are way less developed. Its an amazing city and there is loads to see. I'd say its expensive but your used I presume to Irish prices. Thanks for the entertainment.
Not going to lie, back at episode 1 when i've heard that you're going to have a casual playthrough, i didn't expect neither industrial sauna, nor petroleum boiler. And definitely not underground solar farm. I guess some things are just getting engrained in the brain after some time, and you can never go back to refining crude oil manually, etc.
The definition of "casual playthrough" - Do I need to do it... No. Do I want to... Yes!
"I'm doing a whole bunch of experimenting on the side." Yup, still just keeping it casual.
Enjoy your trip, Francis! It'll be sad to lack your ONI videos but it's for a good cause as you drink your whiskery 😉 looking forward to the dumb looking game 😄
If you’re going for a no stress play through and going threw the effort of melting the rockets for more space and self sustaining rockets why not go for a liquid duplicator, just for the rockets to produce water infinitely for crops and oxygen to have a truly fully sustainable rocket that can go anywhere!
Whoah, this episode came fast, and is very welcome
1:10 wouldn't it be fine for putting plastic presses right underneath the steam turbine outputs (with a solid floor*)? that way you can get take advantage of the heat deletion thing you mentioned when you setup the geothermal power plant a couple episodes ago.
24:31 you could probably just use a filter gate instead, it might be more reliable because it wouldn't activate if two blobs of carbon dioxide touch the sensors at the same time. Of course that would be very unlikely, but If you have a filter gate set to 10 seconds or something, it's basically impossible for it to activate when there's no CO2 below it.
Francis, what do you think about the new Klei game "Mind over Magic"? Will you be trying that one to see if you like it?
It looks to be a different games company to Klei but Klei are publishing it.
The game company is Sparkypants and their only game of note looks to be Dropzone.
Very similar looking game.
store.steampowered.com/app/572520/Dropzone/
01:45 - "just to make sure nothing crazy goes wrong" annnnnnd that about sums up ONI
I just finished the last video and I see this pop up, seems like you've got the hunger again :P
Have a great holiday, Francis!
Still pretty new at this but lately I've been coring out the oil biome and I was wondering why you build the oil well with a bit of structure around it. Is it just to get a vacuum? Can gas pressure stop it from working?
Maybe to keep the natural gas from floating around?
And another giant liquit tank begins^^
18:17 Tbh that's Brothgar levels of overengineering. Personally I hooked a pipe feeding my boiler to a tank and a liquid shut off, when it's full, the crude stops flowing, clearing the radiant pipe in the boiler (to avoid the possibility of the crude turning in to petroleum while sitting in the counter flow pipe if I would shut off the liquid vent instead.). I have more water than I could reasonably use from other sources anyway, so I like having the boiler on an on/off switch. Probably one of the reasons I personally never attempted an industrial sauna.
Wish you a good time in Scotland and many nice drinks :3
Have an amazing holiday FJ! We'll watch some reruns while you're gone. Make sure to leave some whiskey for the Scotts :D
Please show us the melted oil reservoirs boiler, I could not find it online and I am dying to see weird oni tech!
This is the one I glanced at, the bit that interests me is melting the reservoir to remove it's hit box.
www.reddit.com/r/Oxygennotincluded/comments/13yiix9/meet_spell_the_smallest_selfpowered_petroleum_well/
You mentioned crude oil as a liquid lock. I'm still exploring all the options here at different phases of the game and I see that petroleum has a wider temperature range. Is the reason not to use petroleum here just that it is more work for the same effect? Does petroleum versus oil have other notable considerations?
They are basically equivalent for liquid lock purposes unless you've got 1 side of the lock that exceeds the boiling point of crude oil. Petroleum would be better in that instance. Crude is just easier to source earlier in the game.
Hey Francis, have a nise weekend there! Hope you'll share some stories from your little vacation in the next episode.
Hope you'll have a nice vacation.
Question about the Large Power Transformers, they say they output 4kw, don't they pop the electric wires since they only carry 2kw?
They do not pop the wires themselves, but they will allow enough draw to pop the wires behind them. Their main use is: You have 2k worth of consumers on one side of them, and a 10, 20, 50k spine coming from your source. You can go heavy to normal wires from the main line, and so long as there isn't more than 2k of consumption then you're fine. 4k is only what it limits it to.
Once you have access to the superconductive planetoid, I think you should be able to expedite the rocket module melting process. I'm thinking drop magma inside the module until it's around 1400 celcius (slightly under magma solidifying temperature) and then finish the job with liquid niobium straight from the liquid niobium volcano.
I wish you did the cryo version as well. Cpuld actually help with the plastic presses. You could do two levels, one floor being industrial sauna, the other cryo brick?
The liquid glass inside the glassforge doesn't exchange heat anylonger - they fixed that a while back
I really need to know, I read there used to be a steam deletion bug with the polluted water flashing to steam out the Petroleum generator. Is this not an issue anymore?
Oh I think you need to keep the petroleum generators surrounded by steam, if we keep them in CO2 it can delete the polluted water steam coming out of the petroleum generators.
@@FrancisJohnYT ah thanks, that sounds reasonable, as the steam on spawn won't need to fight for a tile and just merge with existing steam.
How about a whiskey review of all the bottles you buy on your trip? Or maybe a drinking challenge - one drink of whiskey every time a dupe drops something down the ladder when they take a nap. Would require an alerting system, but I'm sure it would be a fun addition for a casual playthrough.
The Abyssalite is probably bleeding heat into your geothermal plant. Not a big deal if running but your solar farm is handling most of the load so its building up a bit.
Your overflow wire enables 1 generator when it should enable all 4.
Then extend it to meter out excess co2/steam at the same time/rate. More reliable imo than the atmo sensor because of pressure spikes.
Awe no oxygen next week. You'd better have a good time drinking the whiskeys 😆 🤣
Bed time viewing great way to end the day
Just out of curiosity, why did you run a gas pipe all the way to space to get rid of the CO2 instead of just using a carbon skimmer? Because of the filtration medium cost of the water sieve?
no he could just put the polluted water in the steam room but that might be too much water.
Just had an idea, what if you had a drain block or machine that could be toggled to let fluids trough with a signal. Is this something that has been done before?
buffer gate for the CO2 sensor so if it detects for x secs then it goes on along with a pressure sensor on an And gate is great for co2 levels being maintained