A Western Developer Uses Racism To Discredit Elden Ring's Success
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ต.ค. 2024
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You know the old saying “haters gonna hate”. Imagine struggling to equip armour in Elden Ring. It takes a special kinda………..special.
@@DiscoFinalBoss That’s one way to put it 😂
@@EndymionTv so they can be retarded…??? And that’s okay?
These people are wack honestly who really cares what these kind of people think everybody has balls to say stuff over the internet since they can hide behind their keyboards and sound off about things they would never have the backbone irl or at least not in front of people outside of their little corny groups of like minded chump friends
So
May I suggest shitting on Quantum TV's take but only with playing audio without showing video footage?
"For Asians" is nonsense, the original Demon's Souls flopped in Japan. Sony refused to publish it in the West, Atlas & Namco picked it up and it was a huge success. We (western gamers) literally "chose" this genre because it matched the sensibilities of a decent portion of our gamers. Elden Ring has 1 million(ish) sales in japan, the rest of that 13 million+ in sales is everywhere else. This style of game is very much for us, even if that wasn't the original intention.
It's funny knowing that Western gamers essentially created the most influential game since Doom simply by enjoying a game that it's intended audience didn't. Something about Souls-Likes connects with Western gamers in a special way. Look at all the indie souls-likes, essentially all of them are made by Western developers out of appreciation for a game style perfected by (the first half of) Dark Souls.
Wait so you’re telling us that the western market kept the souls game alive? Honestly that’s surprising I thought it was also popular in the Japanese market.
Gotta be slightly fair there, the 1 million sales of a niche type game that requires a beefy system to play well (or a console that is also hard to get) in Japan is probably good. Thats almost 1% of their entire population buying a single video game. Keeping in mind that their 125m population is around 1:60 of the population of the world so if the rest of the world only bought 13 million copies compared to their 1 million they have far outdone most places.
Basically there's the stereotype that asian ppl are perfect at everything, i mean lool at the footage of rhythm games in japan. So makes sense a hard af came would come from there too. Its just funny that they were more obsessed with dating sims than demon souls when it came out.
@@jhm3346 I made a whole video about it like 2 weeks ago. It’s about how from software was PlayStation’s greatest failure
The irony here is that, these people are claiming the design is stupid due to "oriental people's limited mental ablities" when it's them who can't figure out that an EQUIPMENT tab has EQUIPMENT in it lol.
you would think that equipment and inventory tabs are pretty clear 😂
It's more organized.
I don't agree with the post of that dev at all, BUT this video incorrectly interprets what that dev was saying. Mental models are things developers build in order to try and create UI that accommodates the user base that will be using the product. Saying that Japanese developers might be using different mental models than western developers is not the equivalent to saying "oriental people have limited mental abilities". Its simply saying that Japanese devs might using different mental models to western devs (which is probably true). I still disagree with their point about the UI being bad, ER UI is great. However, this video does a disservice by not properly understanding the terminology that developers use and making it sound like the dev was saying Japanese people are dumb or something.
Seriously I want to know what imaginary inventory system he was thinking of that would possibly be any better than Elden Rings. Correct me if I'm wrong but havent JRPG's been using equipment tabs since the super nintendo days?
Hell even games like Zelda have their own equipment tab in the menu.
Hes probably more upset that the game doesnt pause when you open the menu.
For whatever reason this reminded me of a post I saw about the Abyss Watchers OST in DS3. Something along the lines of "Why are the Japanese better at making this music than the country that f***ing invented it"
It’s amazing how much drama there’s been over this game. Just for being a great game. Their only crime was working hard and achieving excellence. That makes them the enemy of a certain group.
It’s astounding to see
Have you seen Hot Fuzz? In the opening act they transfer Simon Pegg From London Police to middle of nowhere because he was too good at his job and he was making others look bad. I am getting the exact same feeling from this whole situation. ER is making their worn out formula look bad so they're shunning it to take out frustration
It kinda reminds me of when the fellowship of the ring came out. Hollywood was like what the fuck!! It’s no explosions and nudity or A plus actors.
@@chblegendary165 Wait, they really reacted that way?
@@chblegendary165 That is a big disrespected toward Sir Ian, among many other.
Laziness and lack of creativity are the western dev worst enemy.They put all the markers on their games to show where the players should go because those are the places they put the game assets while fromsoftware put their games assets all over the place so players could have fun exploring the world they created.
And don't even mention Pay2Play/Win in some games. Paying to play less of the game itself lmao. Why do the journey when you can just buy the destination? Imagine paying money to get to the place with those assets, oh wait you don't have to imagine actually. Looking at you WOW 90 levels boost just for 79 bucks
The problem with Western media is that political activism > creativity imo
Money first and fun after. Pretty sure that's the moto for western devs.
The opposite goes for Asian devs.
The only thing worse than a western, AAA dev is a western journalist.
I think journo’s should have to post their trophies/achievement lists when reviewing a game. So we know how far they got/if they beat it
Western journalists literally said Ukraine is a big deal because they are civilized unlike Syria which is craaaaazy.
@@zkf5448 wtf and they're from the country that caused Syria to be in that state. I'm surprised they haven't been cancelled for that, thats just disgusting to say
@@EndymionTv Considering they are given to them by their peers, who are just as bad as they are, that wouldn't be proving much.
@@hawkeyedsentinel4648 I am surprised that there are people who actually think like that, pretty evil.
Elden Ring forces devs to consider the possibility of making more money by making a good game rather than one full of predatory monetization 😂
Elden Ring forces Devs to consider the possibility of making a good game.
That alone is heresy to western development.
Cope+ ratio
@@VENENOSEASON massive ratio fail 😂
same with BG3 western media hate.
@@viperdemonz-jenkins To be fair, I hate BG3 because its turn based. Not because of where its from.
Elden Ring though is my ideal perfect game. Or as close to it as reality allows
Skull and Bones unironically looks like the "if Ubisoft made Elden Ring" meme, lol.
Couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw it
The meme was funny because it was 100% on point
@@thecompanioncube4211 Literally
@@EndymionTv and ubi devs are SO PLUCKED about it ahahah
Skull and Bones UI is probably what boatman (Tibia Mariner) sees on screen trying to fight us. Blind as shit furiously mashing in Konami code while clicking down adds for dubloons, and his moves are paywalled. Rip boatman not having enough Diablo Immoral gems to stop Waterfowl Dance.
I love how salty some devs are that Fromsoftware is blowing them out of the water.
Japanese devs make games for gamers. Western devs make games for investors.
That last part is what CDPR learned the hard way... Hope they learned their lesson
Depends, gachas are super popular in Asia.
yeah keep believing that
These western Devs need to put their foolish ambitions to rest
Oh, most certainly.
Perhaps when they are on their last limbs of funds. They shall have it put on their grave. “Fell by morgott, last of all kings.”
Wait till Mohg finds their games
What a sad state of affairs.
An overly cramped UI cannot become a lord. Not even you, Ubisoft.
It is quite interesting to see people specifically refer to "japanese videogames" when japan was basically the birthplace of videogames as we know them. If anything, western videogames should be specifically refered to.
Not really. There were many American made computers and computer games before Nintendo was conceptualized. The first video game is believed to be made by an American using old radar equipment
@@kman9884 he said video games how we know them
Now. He didn’t say they created them but as we know them know !!
@@kman9884I’ll say it better they started making games people actually wanted to play
I'd like to point out that Knights of the Old Republic, a Bioware game, also has you equip armor and weapons in the Equipment tab instead of the Inventory tab. These "developers" sound like your typical game journalist who thinks they're all knowing.
Gideon is a game journalist. I knew it
Honestly the inventory menu in kotor is useless. They should have turned it into a notes section or added a tab in the journal section. I think about the same thing elden ring. Make it simpler.
@@Kris-wo4pj Why make it simpler in Elden ring when each piece of armor actually does something, and nobody other than you and a small minority of people want these games to be simpler. Everyone else who buys their games wants them to be bigger and more complex. So maybe instead of trying to force them to make what you want to play, just play it and enjoy it or don't. Pretty simple, if you want it to be easier and simpler, don't buy another Fromsoft game would be my recommendation.
Western UI developers: "Eastern UI is trash"
Also Western UI developers: "I'mma implement an stick controlled mouse curser"
I swear, I saw that in the recent Assassin's Creed game and thought it was so stupid.
@@lmahu6627 Origins had it, right alongside bullet/sword sponge enemies
Lost me around the 35 hour mark, spent most of it as the Eagle
That’s the worst recent trend of UI. It’s lazy porting
What makes this even more ironic is that western mythology/fantasy has inspired so much of fromsoftware’s work. I cannot imagine being so mad about people liking a thing. I really really hope it takes the GOTY award. I don’t care about that show at all but I just want it to sting them even more.
It’s going to go to God of War, Mark my words. If only to spite the Asian market & have a western dev win. I love Sony Santa Monica, they’re a great studio, but yeah.
@@EndymionTv God of War was exactly the game on my mind as I typed that original comment. And Ragnarok is probably going to be a great game in it’s own right that deserves the award as well. I was low key hoping for a 2023 delay for it.
@@Pumba424 It’s going to be a battle between Ragnarok & Elden Ring for sure. I don’t see anything else coming even remotely close to those two
If there is a place I can vote I'll vote for Elden Ring just to shove it up those haters' asses.
@@EndymionTv It doesn't even have to be as good as Elden Ring, just good enough for them to vote for it.
As someone who had never played a single soulsborne game before elden ring, I had no clue how anything worked or any of the stats/equipment when I first started. It was fun having to figure it out because it was well designed
As someone who has played DS II, III, Bloodborne and Sekiro, it wasn't until Elden Ring that I learned how magic/fire/lightning etc added to the overall stats of a weapon LOL
As a westerner trying to be gamedev/artist, I need to express something...
In the last few months I've seen these discussions about western professionals criticizing Elden Ring's UI for being "bad", when in fact it's just clean (it gives you the information you need to play and react fast and simple, and you get rewarded for playing - unlike Assassins Creed, where icons mark the distance between you and objectives, has quest lists that accumulate in a hell of 'same things' ; in games like FS games, BOTW, some Capcom you are rewarded for exploring or just playing, and is fun).
And it's all this Western Criticism is for a very simple reason (apart from envy): we have a weird "there's only one way to do something right" way of thinking. And the most bizarre thing is when you realize it's just illogical! I see a lot in the community here (artist, gamedev and schools) talking about "if you're going to make art, don't overdesign the character/object; keep it simple because 'less is more'" and often it just results in more of the same (a knight / green goblin / scifi soldier / the cartoon furry; all with a style emulating Blizzard art... in this you have a hypocritical artist from Bioware criticizing Tree Sentinel's design for it being golden and being an enemy because is a basic rule that "gold is good"). At the same time, when they talk about UI in game dev schools, it's like "read the line that says not to pollute the interface... now throw that away, let's overdesign it and put a lot of information that gives the player a illusion that he is progressing and he has a LOT to do (even if they are the same type of missions)!"
There are fundamentals, but they don't stop you from distorting them or doing something "creative", as long as it's to give a better user experience and with purpose (which here between us, seems to be rare in large western industries lately..." Did you know that Disney is going to make a live action movie out of yet another animation?"). In the end, if you make a dirty interface in a game that is sometimes forgettable and you are complaining that another game is dominating the audience by doing something different... it just shows that you are not creative (and you if your awnser is being racist/xenophobic, it just shows that you have a rotten brain)!
Thank you for this rant, it’s good to see. A lot of western games look the same to me. The Blizzard art direction especially. Thanks for watching & commenting 🤘🏻
@@EndymionTv It was a good video! I think it's always valid to observe some problematic behavior or tendency in something we like, and talk about it!
I would say BOTW still has the Ubisoft problem from taking the same Open World design as em.
I saw that coment about the Golden Knight. Damn I laughed so hard 🤣 . It is like a cardinal sin to create a Golden Knight as a villain or something like that.
@@LiloDemon Fun fact: the first photo in her portfolio is the "Hero of Ferelden" wearing the Grey Warden Silver armor.
To be honest, they will also screech at western devs if they find success with a game that does things differently. And they always find a reason. When "Ghost of Tsushima" was widely acclaimed - they raged about "cultural appropriation"; when "Kingdom Come - Deliverance" was successful - they raged about "devs racist cause no people of color", etc.
ghost of tsushima is not western...
@@Mk-it6cr sucker punch productions is definitely a western game studio
These people live on being outraged. If something isn't there to complain about they create a problem that was never there to begin with.
@@Mk-it6cr The developers are a western company. The outrage was that they "dared" to make a succesful game in a Japanese setting while being westerners. Look it up.
@@warheadx2889 Ghost Of Tsushima was created by Westerners who are into the samurai culture, history and way of life. I would hardly call such cultural admiration "cultural appropriation". True appropriation is done with malice not love.
It's been like 5 months. Amazing they are still hating
The Japanese are well known for making new and experimental video games. They are artists while over here devs follow a stale script for all games.
Yeah I know, when I saw his comment I was like, “REALLY” I knew I had to cover it
Seriously🏆 So many studios making games to experience instead of just products to sell. I love how Nintendo has always done wild stuff just to see what gaming can become.
Experimental games, huh?
...
I really miss Armored Core.
@VyzeeXTC if it was demon souls 6 then it wouldn't be open world at all or be nice enough to give ya a healing flask. It's open world dark souls so dark souls 4 obviously gotta be a moron not to realize that. Since dark souls is the baby/easy version of demon souls.
@VyzeeXTC and you are one online player who still defend assain, fifa, wow what a rare creature! If you did play Demon souls, Dark souls 1,2,3, you can see that games are different not like concept but how it was made. And In other hand we have games that is the same as it was when ea started make p2w titles and fucking donate in single player games.
I love how Western devs are blaming literally anything that is superior to their games as racist. They cannot cope with the fact most gamers don't want their forced microtransactions and politics in their games.
Bro, Souls games are full of politics to the brim lmao
@@arthurdossantos6826 the plot of the first game literally is if you will do as asked by the ruling class or if you will go against them, politics!
@@ShieniLicksOnLemons Well, let's see. Demons Souls: Spoiler rich people would rather end the world than struggle to make the world a better place.
Dark Souls: the ruling class are hiding what humans really are pitting them against each other, while pretending the current system is only good one and will sacrifice countless people to keep themselves in power.
Elden Ring: Colonialism is bad for everyone, the colony doesn't care about you and your culture, they have destroyed your way of being and killed almost everyone for the sake of their "order".
All of the above hit very close to home to me, a latino boy.
@@arthurdossantos6826 ye, I just decided to tell the very bare bones dumbed down version of the first game. But yeah, all of those hit close to the real world and will be clearer to those who have actually been the targets of colonialism etc, why a lot of white people tend to think the games are apolitical because they have never actually had to see the effects colonialism has had on the world and how it still heavily affects the countries that used to be colonised. They see it as fantasy basically because it's something so absurd for them to think of
@@arthurdossantos6826 Oh I didn't know Souls game have LGBTQ+ rights, BLM, and pro-choice in it. How stunning and brave. Maybe their next game will have Anita Sarkesian as their savior to fight against the evil gamergaters.
The only real ui" problem" I have with elden ring is the fact there's no "favorites" options for equipment. For all the armor, weapons, consumables, etc you have, an easy to sort and swap between them would be nice. Instead of memorizing where it is. I mean, they give you that option for graces, why not your equipment?
Somebody is not sorting his chest I see 😉
... The reason why Japanese games have a different 'mental model' this American games is because Japanese gamers are primarily console gamers, not PC gamers.
The UIs are different because there is a different base assumption on how it should work. You can't implicitly expect to 'drag and drop' from an inventory when you are using a controller.
That is probably hitting the nail on the head. Western games are often made, seemingly, with PC interfaces in mind, first. Japanese developers make things seemingly with console interfaces in mind.
The heck...? Is this some weird console war logic or something, or do you just have no idea about PC gaming; because this sounds so completely nonsensical to me.
The western AAA game industry is still HEAVILY focused around the console market; the PC port situation has gotten a lot better, but most interfaces are still very much designed around controller input. Even then, the typical UI problems with western AAA has nothing to do with 'drag and drop' interfaces; it's about flooding the player's field of view with too much information because they don't trust the players intelligence.
@@blaze595 no joke... I mean... Look at base skyrim's ui... That is a series that started on pc, was ported to xbox, and then developed for console first! There's a reason why one of the most common mods on pc for Skyrim is a ui replacer.
I think the most ridiculous part about the equipment argument is the fact that they're acting like you have to change equipment in the middle of battle. In reality, armor stats don't really make that much of a difference.
Yeah, I still hate that you still can't upgrade armor like in ds1 and ds2
@The Lonely Stank Muncher Having gotten through Elden Ring, I can say that I was somewhat incorrect, very few armor sets and combinations can make the game easier but there are some combos i.e, The Wall who while making it impossible to run, does make you nearly impossible to kill since you have ridiculous armor rating and pretty much infinite poise. I've heard of people using The Wall in PVP who feel the need to willingly lower themselves to half health before fighting with the slow speed ironically making them even more intimidating than they already are.
@@thelonelystankmuncher8879 so that’s why I always feel something is missing, armor upgrading!
Can confirm, I'm racist and love our Honorary Aryan FromSoft genius allies.
We've all said stupid or regrettable things, myself included. But this guy literally linked eastern game UI to insulting asian intelligence, like I can't what
@@EndymionTv Miyazaki is smarter than 90% of all people of any race, naturally the inferior are threatened by genius, by greatness.
@@EndymionTv that dev also exposed their intelligence(or lack of).
Word.
o/
the sad news for you " Aryans " is that there's no " Aryan civilization " Historically speaking and those Aryans are in the middle east brown people not Ba-ckward norse Europeans.
I’m on my ng+ with 3 hours in and I just beat the game 2 days ago. I’ve never done that before and I’ve been gaming for 30 years now. The amount of detail and passion shows out for Elden Ring in every area of the game. It’s a masterpiece and without money hungry micro transactions. I can actually tell that the developers and the entire staff who worked on it, all wanted to create a timeless classic. They have my money for any DLC that hopefully releases one day
Dw, fromsoft always release souls dlc within a year. And USUALLY, they are worth it.
@@pepsiboy4274 thanks for the heads up, I’m looking forward to it. This my first fromsoft game
@@chblegendary165 Try the other games too especially Bloodborne (if possible, PS Only), the other games aren’t as big as Elden Ring but have even more details and (for me) are better to play over and over again than ER
@@Yuxuss I switched to Xbox back when the 360 came out, so no bloodborne or Sekiro until I get a ps5 but I’ve been thinking about playing demon souls then going to the dark souls games
Its not even a case of exaggerating what these people say, they are genuinely being racist because they’re butthurt that someone didn’t do the bare minimum for a game and were successful because of it
Which is also funny because Elden Ring has the bare miminum for what can be considered a story, but they nailed the other core elements so well it doesn't matter
@@libertyprime6932 ER has one of the best stories what are you on about? Not every game needs to express it's story through cinematics. And i haven't seen many games having deeper story and lore than elden ring.
@@libertyprime6932 it’s a different form of storytelling, not for everyone but it’s part of the reason for the series success
@@RespectTheSourceMaterial to be fair Elden Ring's story in comparison to the other Souls games is on the weaker side but it's still better than most games released in the past decade.
@@thegamerfe8751 well i just saw a detailed 40 minute video about the perfumers their role and how they helped the war. That's detail and storytelling that's equal with the storytelling of great fantasy authors imo.
But i have to admit the story of ds, especially 3,will always be my favorite.
I think western devs have adopted the clutter UI because philosophically they view you has a pilot playing their game. They want to throw all the information at the pilot, just like a real pilot in a plane. That is why they put "gauges" all over the screen. Where ER took an open world approach where you are not a pilot but an adventurer. Their main purpose was to make you "feel" your way through a game, like a person riding a pedal bike.
I feel like AAA western devs straight up don't know how to convey information. I'm a writer, and one of the first things you learn is to trust your readers to understand what you are conveying. This applies to essentially every medium of information.
Your players aren't braindead morons who need a pacifier shoved in their mouths at all times, we don't need to be handholded to such a degree that we can't see what's going on behind all the different popups. If your UI is noticed by players, you have failed in your job. Throwing 50 Skinner boxes on the screen is not the way to engage players. If the method of conveying information is noticed before the actual information, you have a serious problem.
But they want the braindead moron audience. They want their money and don't care about making a game worth remembering. In their eyes, if it's not a tool to milk more money from the audience, then it's bad.
It's why games don't trust gamers with figuring out anything; they're after those who can't figure out anything.
You say that...but after five minutes of watching Dean Takahashi's Doom Eternal gameplay I'm not so sure it's necessarily the devs' fault
Для западных разработчиков геймеры это домохозяйки и мужчины за 50 которые считаю что игры для дебилов нр разок сыграть можно. Именно из за них индустрия начала менятся в 2008.
Возьмите игры инди или где нет игровой индустрии, они опираются на то что игрок если ему не понятно пойдёт на форум и найдут что ему надо (ведь это он виноват что не догадался). Я помню как в играх появилась метка куда идти и потом автобег до неё. И разработчики так и не смогли ответить а в чём смыл игры тогда? Если ваш гейм дизайн заставляет придумывать такие исправления.
For Western developers, gamers are housewives and men over 50 who believe that games for morons can be played once. It is because of them that the industry began to change in 2008.
Take indie games or where there is no gaming industry, they rely on the fact that the player, if he does not understand, will go to the forum and find what he needs (after all, it's his fault that he did not guess). I remember how in games there was a label where to go and then a car race to it. And the developers have not been able to answer and what washed away the game then? If your game design forces you to come up with such fixes.
They’re just sore because FromSoftware has been steadily destroying them in game development and innovation for over a decade now, which is a hell of a feat considering all their games follow a similar formula to each other yet are unique and interesting every time. UI clutter and quest development are the two biggest weaknesses of Western Developers, so it’s always hilarious to see them projecting their own failures. Maybe if they started listening to their fan base instead of rehashing the same old tired formula, they may find themselves in the position of FromSoftware instead of being reduced to slinging insults like impotent SJW’s…
you can pay 1.99 dollars or 1.67 euros to submit your recomendation 😂
I bet they're far less pissed that From is successful than they are that From dares to be successful while not bilking the player with microtransactions. They're giving fans the idea that a game doesn't need that shit, and it's killing them.
Speaking of Fromsoft games following a similar formula, I'm hoping they someday decide to go back to some of their older titles, like Armored Core.
@@ASNS117Zero I believe Armoured Core is the latest game they’re currently working on, so I think you may very well be in luck with that request 👍🏽
@@PsyKOtiC_79 God I hope so. That game was my jam as a kid, after Mechwarrior kind of fell out of vogue.
Elden Ring should be GOTY, even though we still needs to wait and see the new GoW and I believe GoW Ragnarok will be an amazing hell of a game, I still vote for Elden Ring to be GOTY, Fromsoftware deserve it.
Yeah but unfortunately it’s up to game industry people to choose who wins. I have a feeling Ragnarok will win at the game awards just so Elden Ring doesn’t win.
Even though Sekiro won in 2019, which was deserved.
Same here
I doubt GOW Ragnarock will beat Elden Ring unless some funny business goes on behind the scenes at the game awards show. GOW 2018 is extremely overrated imo. Not a bad game at all, just not this 10/10 masterpiece mainstream gaming media pretends it was. Elden Ring earned its standing and then some.
Most of the games I've thoroughly enjoyed in my life are from "Asian" companies. Armored core and samurai warriors was my childhood. Blood will tell, dynasty warriors, dragons dogma, monster hunter, dark souls, all are some of all time favorite games/series.
i mean literally all the old school classics like castlevania metroid mario pokemon dragon quest etc as well as
silent hill,
dmc,
resident evil,
metal gear
etc all are asian games
@@btchiaintkidding7837 You mean Japanese games
I looked at the UI for that pirate game for three seconds and then just went blind immediately because it was preferable over seeing that monstrosity for even one more second.
It is quite funny that one of the Western cult classic series, Legacy of Kain, have the UI even more minimalistic than Elden Ring, and I don't remember anyone berate them for it.
It's "berated" now, but back then it was standard operating procedure because you didn't have +100 other things competing for your time and attention and could spare the extra several hours backtracking with no progress to figure out where to go. While Soul Reaver often had pretty good level design to show you where to go, you still could get lost.
Don't use games of yore for comparisons to current practices, since those change based on the available technology at the time as well, instead, use current titles, like Tunic for example.
Its the same as when someone hears that a game was made in Japan and its automatically a "weeb" game.
That word has been thrown around like free giveaways from Oprah, it eventually lost meaning.
Every YTer ever with a cold: "I may sound a little weird..."
Me, EVERY time: 🤷♂️
Western games usually have only one stat on armor, usually a number called armor. It's needed to have a saparated window for weapons and armor when you have so many variables to consider, I can't see how where you're born affects this.
In most games, when you open the inventory, there's a separate tab for each piece of equipment anyway. It's almost more convenient to have all of your equipment spots in one menu rather than having them each in a different menu under the inventory.
I hate it when the damn item pick up tab shows up in the middle of screen
to block my view during combat. The idiot wants to add crap to block the screen..ffs
I dont like the Hp/Fp/stamina or boss HP meter being as big as it is.
It would be nice if there's option to scale it down.
I call that respecting the players intelligence.
I guess to elaborate, if an npc says look to the north and you will see a giant tower in the distance go there. They respect you enough to use that info alone to make it to the tower. Regardless of what obstacle they put in your way they know so long as you can see that tower somewhere in the horizon, you will make it there. Meanwhile those western devs would likely put not only a giant neon crazy taxi arrow on the top of the screen, but also a glowy trail pointing you towards the easiest path which won't let you even see there was a giant canyon you can't cross normally, and big letters on the left or right of the screen saying "go to the tower" while your character says "I should hurry and make my way to that tower" while also muttering about every little thing you pass and having a big camera zoom like a cutscene as you approach the 1 Bridge in the area that will let you cross that canyon.
Maybe it's just me but I liked randomly finding half a medallion telling me where the other half might be so I can use a lift, only to find yet another way up to altas while just randomly exploring.
@@Vulcanfaux man, you just describe Horizon lol.... It's still a damn good game tho...
I feel like these devs are just farming the attention at this point
Literally one of the most basic things you learn in pvp in Souls games is to hotswap weapons to reduce load because equipment is SO easy to access that you can do it in combat
This... I mean, the Dev is so salty he can't even be bothered trying the game out and dissecting why the UI elements were built a certain way. Playing DS and ER you'd know hot swapping especially in PVP is as easy as 1 2 3!
elden ring's UI is probably the best i've ever seen in a video game. it's so easy to use that people often swap equipment in the middle of riding on torrent or in the middle of a fight.
Only two things to improve: double pad tap to close map and don't ask confirmation for reviving Torrent.
That's it. That's the only UI qualms i have with the game.
Which, for the status of modern gaming, is a massive achievement
Eh... I can understand different design paradigms being rooted in culture. The existence of JRPGs as a subgenre of RPGs originating in Japan demonstrates this. While many Western RPGs embraced the idea of making one's own character unique, with a degree of player-driven choices in dialogue and personality, JRPGs focused on tightly defined protagonists and linear character development paths (though at times with choice in advancement paths). Even with a strong overlap in markets, the distinction between these two paradigms remains and one cannot ignore their cultural-geographical origins. For that reason, I wouldn't say that the claim that From's UI design may be rooted in Japanese culture (specifically, game design culture) is necessarily bigoted. The problem is more that these Western devs are so wedded to the paradigms that they've been taught that they cannot stand anything from outside the box they've place themselves within. It's certainly narrowminded, but not necessarily racist.
I have seen a pattern on TH-cam. Content that scratches the surface gets a lot of views and lots of affirming comments. You will only find critical comments when sorting by newest. It's basically become the news media, where sensational stuff gets pushed to the maximum 🤷🏻
But anyways, I too think that the dev might not have meant it in a racist way, and this dude just interpreted it from his pov (he seems to really like japanese culture and seems to be quite defensive about it to me).
Swear yall its honestly kinda bizarre to see so many people hype it up when it heavily assumption based but i suppose thats kinda the whole point of virtue signaling lol. I just dont see the need to twist things that one extra step to get these devs hate they are already hated on account of the bad developing lol
@@IAmSuyogJadhav it's good someone had the same interpretation as mine, i guess people love to hate on something nowdays, that's why these videos about AAA devs are blowing in views.
I was just about to type out something similar and now I dont have to. I agree that the dev probably wasnt/isnt racist and is merely coping and seething at the success of something outside what he understands as a good game. We really shouldnt just assume someone is horribly racist and put words in their mouth. Good comment.
Yep, came here to say this. The concrete example he gave is that you can't equip from the inventory screen, which is true and would have been nice. Another example is that the button to open the map is not the same as the one to close it. Is it a big deal, no, but it would be a quality of life improvement. Everyone just assumed that he meant that everything about the UI is bad, when he never said or alluded to that.
Further, the mental model that he was talking about has a specific meaning in UI/UX, which is the way people process data in their heads and the interface may have been developed with that in mind. For example, reading left to right vs reading right to left, or top to bottom. That's just one example of how different cultures may process info differently and therefore the thought process is different. It does not mean he was somehow being racist or ridiculing Japanese devs for creating UI that makes sense to them but not westerners, and I'd argue not even necessarily narrowminded (depending on what exact issues he's talking about of course) since to me this feels like a post having a whinge rather than a serious critique of the game.
I agree though that some of these devs may have overestimated the importance of UI in the overall experience or thought that people could not adapt to a different mental model, and therefore it must be bad.
I’m asian, I have 500+ hours on Elden Ring and Dark Souls 3, and I never actually noticed that I can’t equip armor from inventory menu because who tf would scroll two extra times when the first thing on the list of menu is the equipment tab. Also equipping it from the equipment tab that already sort out the items that can be equip for you is so much easier than scrolling through all of your items to find that one armor you want to equip. What kind of game do these western dev make?
I've been hearing about The Witcher 3 since it came out...
After playing Elden Ring for 3 months I decided to try The Witcher 3 yesterday and dropped it in about an hour with the menus and navigation being one of the main reasons (absolutely not THE main one but still major)...
As a person new to gaming in general I think Elden Ring's menus, gameplay and HUD setup are some of the most intuitive and unobtrusive that I've seen...
Additionally, I absolutely love that it's a straightforward game where you go around and kill monsters or bad guys without distractions like finding a job in a new area in order to make money with whch to purchase ingredients with which to go to someone to make a potion with which to complete a sidequest thus making it possible to complete a bigger sidequest(not saying that such games are bad but obviously there are people like me who still want to play a dark fantasy rpg and who find all those steps unnecesary)...
As someone who's played Witcher and souls games
I personally prefer the UI design of all the souls games fromsoft games because of how immersive it feels
You should try go back to Witcher 3, I was on the same boat as you, I had just finished DS3 and wanted to try W3, but since it's so different I got bored and left it. I went back and I got hooked. If you're on PC, use mods to get rid of annoying stuff like weight limit or durability, it makes the game better.
The added screen clutter on Elden Ring made me lol 😂 thing is I see my kids playing Fortnite and the clutter on their screen is crazy, I don’t know how they focus on the actual gameplay
When you can't make a cool game. Hate on a guy who can instead of taking not only good notes that help you as a company, but a beggar. Go as low as racism to be salty instead of listening to fans. That leads to great success as a American gaming company. 😆🤣😂Totally makes you sound totally cool especially when you have people continue to pay for even when your games are mostly crap.
As a fresh web dev i find this take funny since i was taugh that the best way for UX(at least for web design) is the simplified one where each functions is made clear and grouped by uses then sepreated by whitespace which ER's UI is. And as someone who enjoy games for the longest time a lot of game now a day seem like that they will hold your hand until you reached either mid game or end game and treat user like a child which a lot of time pissed the user off.
Wow i am at a lost for words im a American and just hearing this genuinely aggravates me i love elden ring the audacity for devs to do that is just wrong on every level
1:28
western devs when there's no map, health bar, money counter, souls counter, weapon status, enemy's health bar, No arrows on the screen indicating where a certain thing is, your mission, how left for the mission to be done, a timer for no reason,
I don't like anime's aesthetics and storytelling, doesn't make me racist!
Wow. Imagine releasing a game that feels complete and reinforcing the stalwart loyalty of their fans. What a surprise.
If they somehow found something racist in Elden Ring, that should tell us how delusional they really are
These people would shit on everything that have for example a color in someone's name due to being racist, looking at you Maliketh 😆
"you mainly judge the value of a person over two things: how they treat people below than them, and how they look at those above"
It's actually not "racism" it's actually Xenophobic. I'm sick of hearing people describe this issue poorly. They're not hating all Asians, they're hating on foreign developers.
When did he say "primitive and can't handle too much information at once"???
Now, western devs are just proving elden ring that they’re all as maidenless as me
Even if were true who cares if a game was made for a specific demographic?? This idea that a game MUST appeal to all ages, demographics, religions, and sexual identities is why western gaming sucks right now.
It just occurred to me that most of the high quality games I bought are Asian in one war or another. SquareEnix is the only AAA I still buy from (for now). Dyson Sphere Project comes to kind as well, and that developer is Chinese.
Yep me too. Most quality games I play are usually Japanese made.
I just don't see how you can look at the number of concurrent players and then still go "this game is not want people want, I would have done it differently". The numbers speak for themselves.
Completely agree with the content creator here. I believe that Western developers should focus on their craft instead of either just financial gain or superficial virtue. Western civilization was a civilization because it could identify problems and solve them. Now we create problems and end those that try to identify them
I love minimal UI, especially with Dead Space.
It doesn’t fucking blind me.
I love listening to Elden Ring takes whether plausible or whimsical. I also love hearing other people in the community react to takes as well. Another Great Vid in the books. 👍🏼
Is that what he’s actually saying with “mental model”? It sounds more like he’s talking about the standards of game development in Asian countries, not their intelligence or capability.
I hope Elden Ring wins this year's goty. Miyazaki deserves it.
Agree
From how many anime’s and Japanese video games I play that must mean that I can’t process anything at all!
Great Break Down Endymion. It's disappointing and frustrating to see developers choose to disparage their competitors with racism, Instead of looking at themselves to see what improvements they can make. I'm so excited to see From Software have so much success with Elden Ring. No micro transactions, no season pass and an amazing, complex game upon release. 🤩
I think you're blowing this way out of proportion. All the developer is trying to say is that there is a different mind set with Japanese games then western games.
If every culture thought the same it would make the world and gaming industry very boring it doesn't make one culture Smarter or Dumber.
Personally I'm glad there is different mindsets in the gaming industry.
100% western devs want an "optimize equipment" button, they love handholding, thats why their game UIs are always so cluttered, god forbid their players have to use even a single braincell
13:07 😂 Are we not going to talk about how the dog just gets sideswiped by its ally
An addendum to my previous comment: Someone ought to show these western devs the "Open World Fatigue: Elden Ring & the Ubisoft Formula" video on DX's channel. It actually has some constructive criticism they could learn from in it!
Jesus Christ this was over blown
....I thought it was going to be an actual racism.
People just can’t grasp that it’s ok for some games to not be for everyone
These are the same people that would cry for diversity and inclusion in their games.
2:20 The supposed "UI Problem" can easily be explained by the game being developed from the ground up as a console game. It seems they wanted a CRPG style inventory screen, where the UI is an overlay and the items and equipment slots are on the same page. This is doable only because of the mouse, which lets you drag and drop items as you want. Furthermore, with the mouse you can float over an item and the item description appears. Obviously, this is difficult with a controller.
4:00 If that is even remotely true, then Diablo and MMORPGs should never be popular in Asia. Ergo, wrong. Korea alone probably developed half of all MMORPGs of the 2000s and 2010s.
I have contacted everyone you mentioned, personally. I told them a TH-camr sent me
Based.
Westerner here I love elden ring still playing it almost everyday
It's not racist to have a preference. If you don't prefer japanese style games that isn't racist. I prefer japanese games over western games, but that doesn't make me racist.
Woah dude, no. I love your videos, but no. You have absolutely twisted those words to push a narrative. There is a TON of evidence that people in different countries see things differently. This is well known by designers. To generalize - Asian countries tend to have a more 'wholistic' way of breaking down information while western countries are more 'compartmentalized.' For example: If you look at the From Software level up screen, it presents a very large amount of information at once from resistances to health to damage per attack to scaling, etc.; now, look at the average western 'skill tree' where each little box presents its one thing it does when selected but otherwise there is no info on screen. I don't want to get into why this happens, because that's an essay, but it's very much a cultural thing.
Now, the dev's comment of suffering to equip is ridiculous, but to say the different cultures have different approaches to UI is 100% true and is backed by science and basic observation. However, you have thoroughly stuffed words into his mouth about 'Asians being lesser.' He's effectively saying that he struggles with the UI because it's different than what he is used to. Also, the tweet was specifically talking about inventory management and you've gone on to compare it to the HUD and how western game HUDs are busy. Bo is basically arguing that the FromSoftware UI for inventory management is TOO COMPLEX and the argument you're making in this video boils down to "Bo is racist because he thinks Japanese people need a simpler HUD because they're stupid." It's both backward and off base. The mental gymnastics here are nutso.
He also didn't 'dismiss Elden Ring because it was made by Asian people,' he literally just complained about a single UI feature. It's not racist to dislike a specific style of UI. Am I racist because I don't like minimaps? Which country invented minimaps? Apparently, I hate those people.
TLDR: The mental gymnastics you performed to twist this guy's words into something racist are honestly really awful. It makes me feel like you're arguing in bad faith and, overall, it's a bad take. You are doing the exact type of thing you claim to hate - pure hypocrisy. You've lost a sub.
Your a psychopath if you go to the inventory tab to look through your weapons and armor.
It’s about ego - I built it you must see it all my work must be seen
From Software just gives you a shovel and find the x spot yourself
Makes me think of SNES Zelda 🤩 Finding the right place to use that shovel was pure dopamine 🤣
Awesome summary of whats going on. Really good job. Thanks for putting this together!
Was watching and waiting for the racism. All I saw in the end was an overreaction.
Mental Model is a UI/UX term that demonstrates how a certain type of person might react differently from someone else. Like the mental model of UK drivers is to drive on the left while the mental model of americans is to drive on the right. Making an American drive on the left will shock that mental model and may result in the product forcing this behaviour to fail. Nothing about what the guy said was remotely racist. It was a genuine question. Go play some Asian MMOs and you'll find in many of them, equipping gear can be as complicated as it is troublesome. Is that a mental model thing? That's what the dev was asking.
Personally, I find the equipping of gear to be cumbersome in Elden Ring. There are other games that do it better. And Elden Ring also does some things better than others. Is it a big deal? No. Does it shake my mental model? Absolutely. Why? Because I'm not a mono-gamer. I don't just play the one game and have that be my entire construct of what games are.
Just wanted to end off with, when you see racism everywhere, you're going to use it as a crutch to enforce your own opinion. Trust me, I know. I'm asian, living in Asia and not the right kind of asian. I know racism better than I know my own hand.
And I know my hand a lot ;)
Western developers can't wrap their heads around it. Gamers want: 1. No microtransactions/monetization, 2. No overt political messaging, 3. game at least 95% finished on release. 4. good gameplay and not handholding idiocy. Western developers refuse to adapt to us and want to shove waht they want down our throats. We'll vote with our dollars and play games like Elden Ring, ff7 remake, or Tales of Arise.
There's nothing wrong with political/philosophical messages in a game IMO. Most kinds of games are forced to display political views of some sort, people just complain when said views aren't main-stream enough. For example, very few people complain about CoD for overtly supporting U.S. imperialism yet people complain that killing Nazis is glorified in a series like Wolfenstein. Otherwise, I wholeheartedly agree.
@@yeetgrenade7492FromSoft offerings are replete with philosophical messages (especially Dark Souls II), I mean specifically political ones. And yes, I mean specifically woke messaging These are almost "too mainstream" such that we play games to escape this barrage of messaging.
@@VastChoirs I just believe it’s near impossible to make an a-political game. Just like every other form of media, it’s impossible to remove bias. It’s just that some forms of bias are more accepted than others. A better comparison would be between a cod: modern warfare game in which you kill (usually arabic) ‘terrorists’ en mass is seen as fine whereas a game like Fursan al-aqsa which has you kill idf soldiers sparked quite a bit of outrage despite its very small presence. I think political messaging is only problematic when it messes with other aspects of the game. For example. Cod: vanguard has the team names as “friendly team” and “enemy team” as they don’t want people to play as the nazis and that’s outright stupid. Mainstream ‘wokeness’ is problematic because it never pushes for real change. It’s a pathetic attempt to make it look like they are trying to appease social progressives while staying well in the field of commercial acceptability. As I’ve already established that all types of media are subject to bias, I’ll use the counter-example of the show squid games, which is overtly anti-capitalist with how it displays the dystopian situation the characters face. While it succeeded, most other similarly political works have not, and that is why we ended up with the ‘wokeness’ that everyone seems to hate.
@@yeetgrenade7492 I'd call every offering from Fromsoft as "apolitical". But my version of apolitical basically means no overt messaging about modern western topics. Many other things could be regarded as political within these games if you looked hard enough, but its very far from overt.
@@VastChoirs I haven’t played any fromsoft games other than elden ring, but as far as elden ring goes I’d agree. Due to the game’s setting it would be pretty difficult and obnoxious to put political messages in the game, apart from the obvious allegory of caelid clearly being inspired by Ohio and Brazil. Jokes aside, while I completely agree as far as elden ring being a-political, I think it mostly has to do with the games scale. Elden ring operates on the scale of your actions affecting all living things. Each of the endings influences the fate of all life in the lands between, not just one nationality, sex, race, or class etc. Therefor, it deals with issues more perceived as philosophical rather than political. To be clear, I don’t disagree with you about from’s games. I just think that most settings will force games to deal with at least some amount of political argument and to reject all of said arguments would be futile.
The envy of these people is strong
One thing I absolutely love is seeing those websites for buying items in Elden, where in the old days and still now, people just trade those items for a weapon they want, souls, etc.
Look I won't argue that the West is pretty fucking racist. But with the term "mental model" it seems to me he's acknowledging cultural differences in design philosophy, which is definitely a thing that exists. I don't think acknowledging that is the same as "Japanese people need simple UIs because Asians are stupid" like you're making it out to be. It may have been a poor word choice and a bad take, but I don't think he was trying to insult the Japanese as people.
The other comments thoough aren't excusable. And honestly I have been seeing stuff like this a lot more lately. Heck it has come to a point where Westerners are openly calling Asians white supremacists and saying a lot of stupid stuff like that. Me and many other Filipinos were called fascists over our controversial president being elected.
I agree but even then it’s just a self report for incredibly poor taste and a lack of understanding of what works - him saying most Japanese games have a UI problem is willful ignorance and kind of a lack of empathy / thinking from other perspectives. that being said I do agree that it probably isn’t race based or even culturally based but rather based on different design philosophies which exist across all forms of art on a variety of points, including region of origin (example in film - Dutch angles. some people hate them but not because it’s a Dutch thing)
You know, there's a reason Pride is listed as one of the 7 deadliest sins. These people are fckn lost. Perhaps instead of taking your hubris to the grave...
TAKE NOTES
There are VERY good reasons that Elden Ring is successful. Can confirm having never even played it. My brother does - Just WATCHING someone else play is fun.
I am playing through tiny tinas right now, and I don't even feel like looking through my inventory because of how cluttered it is. I love the way from software does it instead. This is a wild garbage take.
Now that you mention this, I just realized that the UI in these games is one of the reasons I fall in love with these games. They are way more intuitive than other western games to me.
Dumbest take ever. I think the journalist is wrong, but he's CLEARLY not being racist. Different "cultures" (his words) DO tend toward specific tastes/preferences. Not EVERYone has the same opinion, but that's not what he was saying. Dude can be wrong without being racist.
If only those journalists will give you the same benefit of doubt as you before they call Sucker Punch's Ghost of Tsushima as "cultural appropriation".
Elden Ring is arguably the best game I’ve ever played in my life, the last like 4 major western dev AAA games I bought I deleted after 10
Minutes and tried to refund
I don't believe there is a racist intent with the original twitter post. The person is obviously a little tone deaf. I think they meant that the Asian Market has a preference to a certain style and he doesnt agree or like it. Its how I read it but the Dev has obviously been locked in a cupboard too long and doesn't understand how to construct a decent sentence. I could he wrong and there was malice behind it but I don't know.
In regards to the commentary in this vid, I love you man but you have filled in a lot of gaps with assumptions and used a lot on inflammatory language, because like you say you support the Asian style of games and have come out in defence rather than looking at it in a balanced and objectified view.
And it is a little blind to say that there aren't any differences in cultures and beliefs. There are huge differences and rather trying to get anyone thinking and acting the same we should embrace those differences. So if the Asian want (I'm not a market expert on gaming but I do work for a big car manufacturer and know what we have to develop and sell in the Asian markets in much different way to Europe and America) to have simplified UI, so what, just because it might be a culture thing that less is more, doesn't insinuate your are dumb. The same as Americans thinking excess and overindulgence shows wealth (it doesnt).
I was thinking the same thing! The way he tried to inflame the original poster's likely meaning was a little off-putting, seeing as he didn't stop to consider if their comment truly was malicious, or was just worded incorrectly. I assume he went all in on trashing on the guy for being racist to increase viewership and be able to title the video with something more click-baitey, which I can understand.
@@Jaust1 I don't think it was for the clicks, I think it was a genuine emotional response. When emotions are thrown into the mix sometimes you can't see the woods for the trees as the saying goes.
It's more like "I have been thaught that MY WAY is the best way. Look at EA and Ubisoft? If anything becomes successful that is different from what I learned, it horrible." In fact its even worse. It's people who just can't accept anything that deviates what they have learned. Fragile people.
Japanese games are better im not afraid to admit it.
as an filipino born grown up in the netherlands, what stood out to me particulary is that western media always stay traditional, always following the same world, rules and ethics, where as asian media aren't afraid to explore deeper themes or to show the brutality and unfairness of the world
Not racist tbh, but still an insane take over exaggerating.
A true look at Japanese games would be looking at the many games were character use text but the model of the characters barely moving their mouths (if that).
This man is just starting to milk whatever comes out of ER, hope we get news on DLC cause the content is recicles and dry. Since we had the same tweets many times and they all mention UI and difficulty.
I don't think it's racist either. But it's still a terrible take that needs to be torn into
It does still need to be called out though. It is better to resolve this issue now than it growing to become a problem later on
What issue? You are just another SJW. So what if the devs don't like Japanese games or don't like Japanese people?
The reason why Demon Slayer outsold American comics is because American comics are rebooted every year or so because their writers are very political and suck balls at telling a compelling story. It's like every one of them has this weird chip on their shoulder.
The takes were shit, but you’re just putting words in their mouths over and over again and then attacking said words
I remember playing COD-MW3 and being led by the "follow this character" prompt. There was no freedom to explore. Months later I was watching a game awards show where "follow" won character of the year. To me that was the start of the hand holding and more cluttered UI. I enjoy games like RE and Dead Space that make things like health level passive by showing your character limping or lights on a suit that changed color due to low health. Developers could aim for more subtle touches like that. Instead of the just cluttering UI.
You are reading way too much into these comments dude. And then you quote your own interpretions as if these things were actually said by other poeple. At least use correct quots in your takes.
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The whole optimize equipment thing is stupid. You can use any weapon you want in any souls game and still beat them. Zerolenny is a testament to that.