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It is rather sad that we live in a world where talking about male representation needs to be prefaced with "this is not an attack on women". That being said, I am hopeful that things will change and that we will be able to have media where no one gender is berated.
That's because most people today have a divided/unbalanced/dualistic mindset which leads people to think and imagine things in a "us vs them", "me vs everyone else" type of thinking wich also leads to believing and seeing everything in a zero sum way. Basically if your not helping "us/me" then your helping "them/everyone else". This is also due to a lack of objective Logic and of understanding or straight up willfull ignorance of Objective Morality leading to basing right and wrong on their personal feelings and idiologies. A moral person wouldn't base right or wrong on their own feelings or biases or they wouldn't care, let's say, if the victim of a crime was of a specific gender, they would only care who was the victimizer (the immoral one) and who was the victim (the one in the right).
@@agm5424 I wouldn't say most people but yeah, even some people that I had high expectations of have proven to have a very narrow and willfully ignorant approach to things. That being said, with how badly the media that pushes "the message" is doing I'm hopeful we'll be over this craze in a few years, if we're still around by then.
The reason it’s like that is because 99% of the loudest people who talk about male representation like this *are* those kinds of people, if you really wanna solve this problem you need to crack down on them before anyone else. It’s not “ThA SjWs” that are the biggest problem, because all they’re capable of is pointing at and shrieking about those loud toxic dickheads who give as all a bad name- If we cracked down on the loudmouths first the sjw types wont have any ammunition to use against us, it deprives them of their favorite excuses.
@@EndymionTv exactly. Sadly there are people who just wants to see the world burn, starting with men. Not realizing that this will harm women and children in the long term. Weak men will never be taken seriously and for a country that has many weak men, they're just making themselves a ripe target for some malevolent organization like a rouge nation, a rebel group or a terrorist group.
@@kaih_the_viewer The fanbase is the audience?? I think the comment above is talking about the creators hating their audience not the audience hating themselves
western media companies keep hiring women and so called "male feminists" as writers who hate men and want to see them degraded. Why that is or why they feel that way I'm not sure but they keep hiring them to write and the whole thing is so obvious. Neil Druckmann is still a creative director at Naughty Dog. smh.
As a women, I'm tired of media treating men as crap. They deserved to be loved and treated like human beings. Also a lot of the recent media from Disney has HORRIBLE writing for all of their characters.
The female protagonists of movies and TV series today are mostly toxic and annoying. Nowdays the misandry rules, specially in usa, is sad 😔 (Sorry for My English) 😕
@@joshycash3936 It's ok. But you're right, many of the female protagonists are just that, toxic female characters who just mean and nasty people, but are called strong and independent women by a bunch of fools. And it is sad.
@@chubbyninja89 I agree I'm a girl as well and it's honestly just horrible because females that are portrayed as "strong" are extremely unlikable and are badly written too! This doesn't empower anyone Only puts men down and to be honest I feel like I have received my fair share of hate too because females are so misrepresented by media portraying them so toxically It's scary Literally all media needs is to treat its characters like people no matter the gender and boom! A hit!
I am a woman. I'm not American. I like well-written characters, whether male or female. Granted, I grew up in a different world. I remember when men were presented as reliable, strong, capable of protecting those who depended on them. Not brutal. Strong. Confident. Kind. Vulnerable and brave. Manly, in a word. I love Captain Kirk. I'd go to hell and back with Aragorn. One of my favorite movies to date is Joker. I had no problem identifying with his suffering. He's human and so am I.
I'm so glad this is being said. As a female myself, I hate seeing how degraded men in media has become. I grew up with great male characters and female characters. The diversity that we used to have was amazing and showed that you could have both male and female representation without any agenda behind it.
And remember when " we all come from Africa, race is a stupid concept" was the message and we thought that judging people based on the content of their character rather than their immutable traits was a good idea? Since then, we made "progress"... I think that how they call it...
What is also lost in this issue is that young girls also need flawed heroes to look up to. Female "heroes" are portrayed as having no major flaws, and if they have a flaw it's actually a positive thing that people around them just don't understand. Boys and girls need to see flawed heroes who push through adversity and overcome challenges. Not just show up and win. Unfortunately it has gone in opposing directions. Female characters are often perfect and male characters often always wrong. Outside of the effect this has on young viewers, it makes for boring films/tv/games.
It also can negatively go in the opposite direction, by taking once exciting, larger than life characters and make them flawed for the sake of being flawed. For example look at current day Lara Croft who has largely lost what once made her so appealing, and i'm not just talking about her sex appeal.
@@charmingpeasant9834 Really? I've never played the old Tomb Raider games but the new Lara Croft is ridiculously beautiful and smoking hot to be honest.
Also there is always a female character in most Male characters and is given special screen time. Whereas in a woman lead character every Men are either useless or dumb.
Coming from a girl, I'm beyond happy and grateful that you made this video. I'm tired of seeing men being degraded. Strong men are what we need to have a functioning society. Feminists need to shut up and let men have their rightful place in the media.
Glad to hear your reply. It's in womens bye interest to have strong men. More women need to speak up, because nobody's listening to men right now. Or what kind of men will there be for women to pair up with one day?
@@diosnumber1stfan That's why they are called "modern feminists" or feminazis in some circles. They took the original concept of what their idea meant and twisted it into a begrudged misandry spewing and self-entitled group that wants equality when it fits them. They are a small yet really fucking loud. Even some original feminists don't like the 3rd and up and coming 4th wave of feminists. Western women have all the same rights as men along with all their own rights of being born a woman. Yet they keep saying they don't have anything! They have power and it seems they can't keep a lid on their mess as they are in-fighting on who is more marginalized in their group (ironic if you ask me) Men and women can't be equal for many reasons, we can have equal opportunities but not equal outcomes as there is an inherent difference between men and women, and those differences make up for what each side lacks.
As a woman, I grew up with unrealistic standards for femininity due to poor representation in the media, it screwed me up real bad. Now as an adult, I'm watching my little brother go through the exact same thing with men in the media. It's heartbreaking. I never wanted anyone to go through the things I did and yet every single demon I struggled with as a teen has returned to plague my brother this time around.
Woah... that's devastating if you put it like that. My little bro and I watch almost everything together, from Disney to Marvel/DC to anime, and I only guide him to the good stuff. He's not oblivious to the concept of sexism or racism, but has enough role models to have good self-confidence. I can't imagine him consuming media that treats him badly.
@@spaghetto9836 I'm trying to steer my little brother towards similar media (he just started Dr. Stone and will probably move onto Naruto afterwards) I can't sit down and watch with him since I'm 8 years older but he always texts me when he finishes a series to ask for a new recommendation- which I think is a good sign.
@@ternach7945 I've watched a bit and I don't think the female representation is that bad since the star of the show is a boy you'd naturally want to see him succeed, but my brother needs to hear more positive things about himself right now. Living with 5 sisters has the benefit of teaching him women are people, but it results in him needing as much guy time as possible or else he'll start feeling isolated in his own home.
The biggest issue when writing a male protagonist vs female protagonist has to do with the intent to write a strong female protagonist. When writing a strong female protagonist, the goal is just to show her display strength. And if you cannot display strength, then you make all others around the woman weaker to achieve a similar effect. When men are written as a strong male protagonist, they’re written with the concept of the Hero’s journey. This direction shows the trials, failures, as the hero grows. Hollywood just needs writers that understand this.
Why not just utilize the Hero's journey for the woman? You don't have to put anyone down, just have her follow the same steps; (The ordinary world, the call to adventure, etc etc).
My advice to guys, block accounts and don’t watch content telling you you’re toxic for being a male. Don’t watch the media or any social media that spits out that agenda. Focus on yourself and your goals, if you come across women who think you’re trash don’t waste your time on them. There are honeys out there who know the value and worth of men, that’s who you should seek, not these women who believe these agendas against us. It’s your life, you decide who you want to be. Don’t consume content telling you you’re worthless
It's why I largely stay away from Instagram and Twitter. Both are feminized to the point where I literally feel like an outcast on them. So I deleted my accounts and never looked back. The older I get, the more I'm in support of things like MGTOW. Dating in this day and age is like walking on eggshells.
I’m a woman. And I love seeing strong male role models. I can relate to them regards gender. You don’t have to only like female leads as role models if you are a girl yourself. This is why I loved ben 10 growing up and more male recommended audiences. Because usually the stories and characters were better and more mature. I was a bit of a Tomboy but loved girly stuff as well. I never had a mindset of ew men. Which thanks to my family, they raised me right.
Bam! In my opinion your comment hits several nails square on the head. Especially with regards to IDENTIFICATION. What I mean is the volitive choice a person makes to align with the norms, values and behaviour of another one. As a boy, I grew up in the '80s and back then we had not quantity but at least quality on the 'strong female character' department (before they were called like that)... and I could identify with all of them, regardless of gender just like you. Princess Leia. Ellen Ripley. Sarah Connor. These were well written characters (back then) that I could understand and see as a role model because of their norms, values and behaviour, not their gender. That's actually what role models are about, ain't it? That said, I also think a very important question to ask is: what is the definition of STRONG men actually? One of the movies that really made an impact on me was 'Schindler's List', not because of the topic it displayed but the arc of Oskar Schindler (which Liam Neeson portrayed so masterfully): a man who had put himself atop the ladder of his world, saw the injustice of it and had the will and guts to act upon his change of heart, against much larger odds. That takes both strength and courage. His superpowers? Compassion and cunning. This character showed young me that 'with great power comes great responsibility' towards others, with real-world actions instead of spidey-senses. What I'm saying is, in an avalanche of super-powered characters in media, we maybe need more of these kind of role-models: the simple people that rise to a challenge and GROW throughout the process, showing us how to do it and why it is important to act upon it. So we can identify with their norms, values and behaviour, regardless of gender. My 2 cents.
@@code066funkinbird3 The sigma male meme is quite cringe to be honest. But if i look at it from a personal view, I think it captures the feeling of longing, loneliness, sadness etc. But they look strong or are willing to live. The only part i find cringe is people wanting to be Patrick Baitman. A psycho who kills people, or so we think. But I think most people have re branded his image to feel from a semi relatable stand point. Like his expressions, or adding him to POV situations as if trying to capture a metaphoric feeling us humans go through.
Great example of good female lead is Lara Croft Tomb Rider, the first remake of 2013 Tomb Rider is really good capturing Lara's journey as a female character overcoming boundaries, Lara's character still baddass and cool on par with any other male lead character/hero without sacrificing her feminism and looks
Unfortunately people who make media these days cant understand that you dont have to see someone exactly like you to relate to them, hell i doubt these people have actually spoken to a real.human outside of hollywood, i have female and gay friends who love the classic 90s xmen show and comics but they wanna change everyone into what THEY believe is what real people are. And sadly theyll just keep failing because they refuse to see past their own ignorance
I remember hearing all the calls for more "strong female characters" back in 2010 or so and thinking, "absolutely-- I'd love that". But I slowly learned that we weren't on the same page at all. When I say, "strong character", I mean a character with their own motivations, fears, strengths, and faults. That wasn't what the critics meant at all. They basically meant **literally strong**, as in the third grader interpretation of strong. Physically unstoppable, pure of heart, omniscient, fearless Mary Sues who always do what's right and never, ever make a mistake or questionable moral call.
I don't have a problem with Mary sues, when they're done right. Alot of "Mary sues" are just self richous assholes surrounded by morons. Instead of a perfect person, you have an embarrassment who looks good by comparison.
The problem is nowadays characters in popular media are never just characters: even though they're not supposed to represent that, they're perceived by the public as a statement towards the social group they're part of. Therefore a personality trait of just one female character becomes, to the audience's eyes, an indirect way of passing the message that, according to the author(s), all women possess that particular personality trait. You can easily imagine how this becomes a problem when writing any female character, which leads of course, in order to avoid ripercussions, to design said character as virtually perfect and devoid of flaws, such as a child would write it, basically the embodiment of a Saint or a God.
Honestly, I just want a CHARACTER, not a caricature or a self-insert. I want real character development. I want something to make me sympathize with them, other than the fact that we are both female homosapiens.
This, I want a woman that has to overcome her weaknesses, isn't perfect, isn't the strongest but she tries her best. I want human female who cries and can feel powerless, Shinobu Kochou is the best female writte character from shounen now
Watching incels cry and whine about representation is fun as hell. These are the same idiots that think a badly written character like Aizen is a good character. They cry about Captain Marvel busting thought a few ships but ignore Superman who can do the same with 40 other abilities that are tacked on for no reason. Hypocrisy at its finest
I am a woman and I 100% agree. Instead of aiming for female-centric or male-centric, let's aim for good-character-centric. Besides, I would think a strong female protagonist would deserve a strong male (if she likes guys) to be her foil. Also, I am the mother of a son and I 100% want him to have good role models to look up to.
Having a son who's growing up with this shit, I'm fucking terrified for him. I hate to do it but I carefully select the media he interacts with when he does. Because he doesn't need to grow up subconsciously thinking he's trash or not worth a damn. I refuse to let this industry do what it's done to so many men nowadays. Abhorrent
I don't have any kids but when I do, I want to share classic animes like yuyu Hakusho with them because that Anime inspired me as a child to look at people's good side
I believe women too need strong men as examples, it will help them see the qualities in men, see what they want in men and most importantly empathize with men
I too thought the same. I'm just 16 years old and I started writing stories when 15 on wattpad. I could do more better than them despite all are being a fanfiction and one single fantasy book. In addition, I'm working as a temporary writer on wattpad. Surprise. I also don't understand why these writer make the woman protagonist to be overpower like that. And men treated like trash... do they know what are the consequences of this? Men are truly strong and that is a fact. Women too are strong but I show it in different way. When I continue watching this. He's right. Asian is more better than Western. I prefer strong men characters and.. women as well but they must show their respect and great motivation. I also love Demon Slayer!!
The female protagonists of movies and TV series today are mostly toxic and annoying. Nowdays the misandry rules, specially in usa, is sad 😔 (Sorry for My English)
its rlly frustarting, as a girl, to like male characters or criticise a female character and someone just says "oh u just have internalised misogyny" like apparently even criticising a female character is perpetuating harmful prejudice against them or some shit.
It’s probably why so many guys turn towards anime and manga and media of the such. It actually creates a male character that they can relate to and make the feel powerful and strong in places where most media fail to provide.
I would also like to add that manga and anime has a lot of variety in the form of different types of stories that tend to different demographics, from comedy and slice-of-life to drama, crime, scifi, fantasy and a whole slew of other things. In the meantime western media seem hung up on the idea that one story should cater to everyone, and they concequently try to shoehorn _ALL_ the things into everything they make, slap on a "diversity and inclusivity" label and call it a day, with the end result being a mess that very few people likes. Then they attack their audience when things fail, and call them the negative buzzwords of the day before repeating the same mistake. In the meantime, if a manga doesn't succeed it gets booted out, and the creator have to go back to the drawing board (ha) and try again.
its funny when i see people hating on anime and manga so much. They can keep their American Netflix shows that shoe horn politcs and make men always useless. Ill stick with the medium that acutally has men being badass and even manages to have strong female characters without making the males impotent lol.
Most Anime doesn't tell stories based on agenda narratives most of the time. its just stories with good characters both male and female. And it is why i prefer it now to most other entertainment media because it the same as it mostly always was.
As a woman, I can agree with pretty much everything you've said. I'm tired of seeing "strong female lead characters" it was cool at first to see women take the predominantly male lead spots for strong badass women, but it was and is a novelty. Men get shunned simply for existing and that is frankly sad. We went from Captain America to she hulk, we went from Luke to Rey and it just doesn't make any sense. I can relate to the strong male just as much as I can relate to the strong female, if they're done correctly. I cannot imagine being a man or young boy seeing everyone hate them just because they were born. That has to be the single saddest things to experience, my heart goes out to all of you, and it's not right.
Its life and you know what I never even hated the stereotype that Men were leaders in fiction that give out orders and women were followers that would at times be dimsels in distress.But that wouldn't be necessarily bad unless the characters were not written right and hadn't had more nuance in their character besides being typical 🙄stereotypes because I believes its not about being strong or weak but more on how good your character is in terms of overcoming struggles. So basically since Western Media have proven to be no different than the writers in the past that over stereotype women and men in specific scenes based of off gender.Rather than just working on the characters strengths,goals and weakness regardless of how their portrayed.Because that's what matters the most🤷♂
@@Tanaka-kun9313 Men are leaders and give out orders. Men have led both industry and war. An overwhelming majority of major scientific discoveries have been discovered by men. Every single war has had men at the head, leading others into battle. It is more fiction for women to have these roles. I have never seen a woman be as capable as a man in any type of battle-- ever.
I'm happy people are realizing that media is trying to corrupt both men & women. Hopefully everyone knows that you're worth it regardless of gender or occupation, we are the gaming industry, and if we continue choosing the best then eventually the industry will be fixed.
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Arcane is my favorite example of a show that has brilliantly written strong female characters without emasculating or reducing male characters to jokes or villains. The male characters are all as interesting, empowering and just all around badass and likeable without it being a competition with the female characters. On top of that the show is just a masterpiece in general and has inspired me to pursue animation and storytelling.
Absolutely agree. Each character in Arcane were incredibly well defined just on their own. Some might have a backstory with another, but you don't need a backstory for just the characterization. Each one could have their own story that Never mentions another established character, and Still be good characters. And to be able to mesh these characters together so that they play off each other, and help each other grow as characters in the world building is Such a difficult task to do in writing. I went in to Arcane expecting it to be shit, and to tear it a new asshole. But after 10 minutes I completely forgot about that and was just engrossed in the characters, world, story.
Same here, i was inspired to write my own fantasy story... Tbh there are three strong male protagonists and strong female side characters in my books and in today's world, that's not the way to go. After all, i write for my self and ppl who like it 😄
And it never once talks down to you. It doesn’t judge you, attack or assume it knows better. And it was a smashing success, surprise surprise am I right?
The protagonist went full circle and went to a fucking insane person, which I'm cool with. Yes, he was doing terrorist actions but I get why, doesn't stop him being wrong in almost putting innocent people in jeopardy, but I got it. He was a very grey character. I understood 100% why he did what he did but I can also see from a civilian point of view, that dude was a true danger to society. And that is what made the show good. Nobody was the good guy in that. Maybe in the beginning but further we went the more and more his actions became bad. Which he thought himself as well but he couldn't stop his mission because he literally had nothing left to lose but get his revenge.
As a 90's kid, I can confidently say I grew up with Xena the Warrior Princess and that show, compared to the shit we see today, is a masterclass on how to empower a character by treating them as human beings, not reminding us that "thEy ArE wOmEn"
Whoever is strong doesn’t need to be strong by pushing others down. Gray Man is a good example because the “strong woman” basically saved his ass in his most times of need. The only difference is that it never came off like pandering. He was the main character but she helped him, it was just done appropriately. Can’t see why you can’t have it both ways.
The key thing is "in his time of need" Every human can be strong, but you show your humanity threw your vulnerability. Having someone help you doesn't make you less strong, it means you're human.
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@@grinko1222 I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic, honestly. But they helped each other, ultimately. She saved his ass, he saved hers. He shaved her ass, she shaved his.
A few months ago I got called an idiot for claiming that the Yakuza games were themed around Japanese men and masculinity, and that having a main-line female led game would be terribly condesending. Such are the times.
I love the yakuza games, kiryu (as well as many of the other main characters) are fantastic not just in them being strong but likable and interesting as well
I don't care about any of what came before if the game is interesting. This is why there needs to be a preface saying "It's not an attack to women, but actually it would suck because women just don't fit Yakuza as protagonists" which is just random and undeserved, skilled writers can do whatever they want and if Yakuza got to this point they'll make it work, I have that sort of trust.
The demonization of "strong Men" in Western Media has made me completely move to watching mostly Asian Movies/TV Shows and playing older video games (playing through the Yakuza Series for the 1st time from 0-Like a Dragon. Currently on Yakuza 3 remastered) or being VERY selective with which new games to purchase.
Same here. As a woman, I am beginning the find the strong flawless woman types kinda boring, and not as relatable, I was recently replaying the Witcher 3 for the second time and I found myself relating more to gearlt than any modern female lead the media can produce. And I am also playing through neir automata, with both a male and female lead, 2b and 9s, both of them relatable, and flawed, and strong in their own ways. Pleas bring back flawed leads, of both genders.
@@peridotpockygod.9080 Amazing point. I think the overriding issue is that Hollywood/Western writing either party or fully because of “3rd wave feminism” don’t know how to write compelling but flawed (aka relatable) female Characters (I think Lara Croft in the recent trilogy is a huge exception). They can only write either “Mary Sue” characters *cough Captain Marvel and Rey from Star Wars cough* or completely demonize even straight man around that character. In my mind that does BOTH sexes a huge disservice. Personally I love good compelling storytelling regardless of the characters gender but will completely avoid any content that’s going to preach/talk down to me because I’m a man.
@@CornG4397 💯 agree, compelling and flawed characters with good writing regardless of gender are relatable to both sexes. It’s almost like writing for western entertainment forgot the point of “compelling story first” instead of “agenda checkboxes over everything else.” Or most writers just suck now and can only pander to the twitter blue check marks and games “journalists” lol.
I'm a girl and I agree 100%! While I appreciate that more male characters are written to show emotions and vulnerability more often these days, a lot of female characters are unfortunately written to be the exact opposite... They show very little vulnerability and have barely any flaws. I suspect that some writers may be afraid to write female characters who can be emotional and sensitive due to the stereotype of women being 'overly emotional', because having emotions is 'weak' apparently...? 😐 Personally, I believe it's very important for people and especially impressionable children to have great female AND male role models to look up to, in the real world as well as the media.
I agree with everything you said. Why do we so rarely see male and female characters working together? Now I'm supposed to get excited for a female hero just because she's female. It's ridicilous.
I was depressed enough as a kid without the world telling me my entire gender was weak and problematic. I can't even imagine what kids like me are feeling now.
Thankfully you played MegaMan X as a kid. X is a great character and a good role model imo. Very compassionate, yet strong willed and is willing to do what it takes to defend the people he cares about. He has flaws, as he gets bodied by Vile and told he sucks, then becomes stronger after some growth and maverick exterminating, and one shots him with a hadoken. X also loses someone close to him in X1, which is something I believe a lot of people can relate to.
I randomly watched this video out of curiosity, but thank you for voicing out male's problem in today’s society. While I’m female, I have a younger brother who is struggling through life and withdrawing from everyone. This video from a male’s perspective helps me understand him and his problem a bit more.
I marathoned Edgerunners yesterday, and it was nuts how David and Lucy were handled. They have a genuinely loving relationship, are both badasses, and are both likeable. Edit: I also am still looking forward to Callisto Protocol
And that's a big reason why Manga wins over Western comics. They don't do this misandric "woke" crap that put men down just because. Anime and Manga has always had strong Female characters from long ago (e.g. Sailor Moon, Evangelion, Puella Magi Madoka Magica), and they NEVER needed to put men down ala-feminist-like like in today's Hollywood stuff.
@@ReimaruArt Eeeh...anime and manga may not be as woke, but there's PLENTY of misandry in different forms. The number of male characters that suffer often horrific abuse from female characters as a laugh isn't just a trope, it practically created the trope.
What’s worse is I think little boys and girls are both being taught to hate each other for who they are through the twisted representation being given today. For men it’s being told you’re supposed to be weak, submissive, subservient to all women regardless of how you’re treated. For women it’s being told you need to be emotionless, stoic, completely flawless and taught that all men are creepers or need to be beaten down at every opportunity. That’s at least what I’ve seen, and that’s incredibly sad to think about. No wonder loneliness is on the rise for my and the next generation.
As a woman… or no… as a writer and lover of good storytelling, thank you. I always make sure to have my male characters be strong even with their flaws, because that’s the type of men I grew up with and have learned about. I can’t imagine being a child growing up and growing up with these crappy stories where men are bad and women are instantly perfect and good. When I have kids I want to show them media I grew up with and males I look up to, including creating my own with strong characters.
Even male characters that people often cite as Gary Stus are not really Gary Stus, like Rambo for example, people say he has no flaws but really forget the scene of him breaking down and crying while talking about his trauma at Vietnam.
@@CatBxtchNami That scene is literally my clearest memory of the movie. Even though I had already been rooting for him, it wasn't until then that I realised how much he was going through. It's the reason I still love him as a character - he was allowed to break down and be a human
It's just too bad that they write perfect female characters. The characters who are not allowed to make any mistakes are not realistic at all. Male or female, it doesn't matter. Just write them as human.
@@CatBxtchNami I think you'd be hard pressed to find a single Gary Stu that hasn't gone through the ringer, he pretty much doesn't exist. Classic Lara Croft isn't a Mary Sue despite being incredibly capable, wealthy and self assured. For one, while I played her, she was a total clutz (frickin gravity), but more than that, she faced opposition, she wasn't loved by all and she had equals in skill and wit. I mean, she's Indianna Jones with a tissue box up his shirt, not a Mary Sue. Even looking to the movies, she could almost be described as such, but doesn't quite fit the bill. Her first scene shows her eventually getting overwhelmed by her own training dummy, so from the off we know that as good as she is, she's not unbeatable. It just goes to show, you can have skilled women, you can barely explain that talent and still avoid a Mary Sue. All it takes is actual obstacles that she has to adapt to to overcome. If she already has the skills needed for the exact situation being portrayed, why are we even here?
@@mobbs6426 Sorry, I don't understand your slang, what do you mean by 'ringer'? Second, why respond to me? I did not state any opinion that contradicts yours or about Lara Croft itself. Your comment doesn't even add to mine.
personally i think that Guts from berserk is the perfect example of how to write a strong, sure his power and strength is extreme and godlike compared to normal humans of the series he swings a sword that weigh more than 100kg or about 300lbs but he struggles so much that earth is like hell for him he is really emotional and is driven by his feelings for vengeance and is probably fiction’s most tragic character but he still keeps on going. his love Casca was a strong but emotional female character that struggled.
That guy is in league of his own,a lot of anime characters like Goku,Saitama,Superman shows great personality that I would love my kids to look up to n leave the ones degrading men.
As a female and mother to two girls and 2 boys....I've tried so hard to be a good role model for all 4. But it's so hard as a single mom to teach the boys to be strong males when I'm not a male. They know that women are strong, flawed and resilient and human. I don't have anyone around anymore that was teaching them how to be a strong flawed male human in today's world that teaches them they're irrelevant and toxic as their future step dad had passed from cancer last year. They had two years with him and learned a lot but not enough in today's world.
The fact that this disclaimer has to even be a thing is sad asf, this desperately needs to change. Men and women can be stronge not one or the other and people seriously need to understand that but anyway this is an amazing vid and keep preaching the good message.
Very true, just your message should go without saying, but sadly some people talk out of their ass before watching the actual video. I don't think you said anything wrong tbh. Pardon my language
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You showed the clip of Aloy telling the cook to stand up for himself. And I think one of the biggest things over looked in Horizon is Rost. How important Rost is to Aloy. How Rost taught her everything she knows. His guidance made her the capable young woman she is today.
I feel like of all forms of media, Novels suffer from this topic the least. If you're looking for refreshing media that depicts male and female characters equally as humans first and gender/sexuality aren't as important, I'd recommend picking up a Brandon Sanderson novel sometime. Character writing is something he excels in, and especially in the Mistborn series, the characters feel refreshingly human. Even when he writes characters who are overtly feminist, they do so in a way that empowers female characters without degrading male ones, and his writing never once talks down to its audience. Edit: Particularly Era 2, the Wax and Wayne series. The first doesn't struggle with strong men but does struggle with strong women that aren't its protagonist
100% agree! Also,to find good female protagonists and villains as well as and good male secondaries and villais pick up 'the book of the ancestor' trilogy by Mark Lawrence.
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This is why I looked into self publishing because the traditional houses are indoctrinated by that women policy. Male weak. Female must be empowered. No female must be villain
As a straight woman, I miss strong men in media and in real life. The beauty of male and female relationships of all kinds is the balance. We are both strong in different, but equally necessary ways. Like Yin and Yang, we compliment each other and are incredibly powerful together.
Another character is from Arcane too, Ekko the leader of the Firelight is such a great character he doesn’t have a lot of screentime but when he’s here you know that he’s here. He literally have an episode named with his surname. The episode shows us how this kid was left alone but fought for his life to became the respected a loved leader that he is. We need more of those type of character.
When you mentioned how "Batman Begins" is about a flawed Bruce Wayne overcoming his fears and trauma to become something more, I thought of "The Batman" and how it shows a similar message. In this movie, Bruce's actions lead to the creation of the Riddler, his trauma and fear giving him the misguided idea that he must be Vengeance to strike fear in the hearts of the criminals. But by doing so he only makes things worst and Gotham only begins healing once he goes past his flaw, face his trauma and understands that he CANNOT be anger and fear, he must rise above it. He must be the hope for the fearful, the light that shines through to the lost souls of a decayed city. I am really glad that they took such a risk and made Batman a flawed, yet good man. It makes me hopeful that even though there's this trend of making weak men in media, some people still strive to do better and give us heroes to strive towards. "The Batman" shows us perfectly how a flawed man can rise above his weaknesses and become something greater and I hope more young boys took it as an example on what to become.
The Batman was much better than I thought it would be. Kudos to the filmmakers for not making Selina Kyle some perfect invincible grrrrl power character either. She's believable, has flaws, takes hits, and doesn't just automatically win everything, much like Batman himself.
Its a brilliant movie ,a very well done Bruce Wayne and Batman.It gives you a feeling of hope , the want to do good and help others.The last scenes of Batman helping the civilians in flood was so symbolic and beautiful.
I still prefered how batman begins treated this over The Batman, because batman begins focused more on The man behind the mask, something the batman doesnt.
A strong character who happens to be a woman or man is something that always stuck with me. Like take for example Han So-Hee's character in My Name, her character is well written and it doesn't matter if she was a man or a woman, she struggles but pushes on, not just in combat alone.
That's the point these morons keep missing. What makes a character compelling is making a strong CHARACTER. Their gender, sexuality, etc etc, should be something you tack on AFTER you've made the strong foundation
Women being depicted as strong and masculine warriors is disgusting and silly. Men being depicted as feminine is just as repulsive as women being depicted as masculine
Honestly Kdramas are frequently superior in terms of writing characters than Hollywood - they manage to make strong male and female characters without a feminist agenda or diversity nonsense
I agree with you wholeheartedly mate. As a wife of an awesome guy and the mum of a wonderful young son I am grieved at what the world is trying to say to them. We need to return to a space where we encourage and build up- to ask and challenge guys to be the best version of themselves and recognise how needed and powerful good men are.
I hope your son embraces his masculinity & uses it to better the world around him. I hope you are all doing well & thank you for watching. It means a lot 🤘🏻🔥❤️
Mangas such as Berserk, Sun Ken Rock, Holyland, Vagabond, Vinland Saga etc. Are filled with strong men and i recommend anyone who hasn't seen any of them or have seen a few of them should check out the rest. I highly recommend them because they inspired and taught me lots of good things
And Cyborg 009, don't forget about that. The titular character as well as the cast as a whole has many strong male characters. It's also one of the most influential manga in history, so there's that as well.
More videos like this need to exist from more online creators to spread this message, and change things for the better. Great video man just keep it up.
This is why I loved Dragon Ball so much. My context was me being tried of marvel and dc and wanting something better that didn’t infuriate me. I started watching DB and seeing such good, flawed, strong characters was truly uplifting
They even got the strong independent woman right: Chi Chi, and Bulma (who's literally the female version of Tony Stark). And most of all, most of the characters have families (Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Krillin) and it's not toxic relationships.
I've become very skeptical of female led medias, games and tv/movies, because of this. Besides Horizon, tomb raider, and single player games to customize myself as female, I rarely engage in other female games. Like you said, it's demeaning and insulting to see men get put down and neutered in the pursuit of female empowerment. I used to love the marvel movies, but I haven't seen a single female led superhero movie (watched Black Widow because of friends) because they are always terrible. Why would men watch or engage in media that actively insults and disrespects them?
I'm sure a masochist enjoys watching that, but that doesn't make it good. It's unhealthy and toxic If I have a son - or Hell, a child of any sex - I will surround them with the best possible media. Tell them stories about earning rewards through effort; treating others with compassion; thinking on your feet; etc.
I've never fully enjoyed media with female leads I'm not a female so my innate responses, reactions, ideas and means of survival are completely different and they're never that relatable Plus when I project into a story I don't project myself into a woman because I'm not a woman
Even Horizon Zero Dawn depicts men as either weak, evil, or effeminate. The only remotely good male character there is Erend and even then he is depicted as being lesser than his sister.
@@OmegaF77 I'm sad cause I was actually loving the game so far, before finding about its "feminist" subtext, and then it clicked in my mind: certain dialogues, certain jokes, certain characters. The funny thing is, there were some jokes on men I actually enjoyed, because I thought they were simply that, just jokes, and not some subtle and smug way of passing the same old anti-men message. I mean, laughing and poking fun at male characters can be really entertaining, but not so much when behind the jokes there is an actual intent to look down on and ridicule a certain social group.
In recent years I've suffered from severe depression which has lead to being suicidal due to having autism and feeling like everyone hates me for both being white and male. This video has been a breath of fresh air, so thanks for that :)
hope your'e doing ok man, but just let me say this, you shouldn't think too much about what others think, try keep your mind free from stuff like that, just be yourself and be kind to others, so if others have a problem with you know its not your fault, its theirs.
@@Spillow-C Ok, this may sound like a joke but... man, we live in a society. I mean, what other people think of you is important because we live in a society, not caring what others think of you is poor advice by a person with likely not a lot of experience in life, no offense. Better advice would be: Choose well whose opinion is actually important.
@@CatBxtchNami i said, you shouldn't think "too much", not "at all" or something, because thinking too much about that it makes you under pressure and constantly nervous, and it becomes sickness, especially if you are a introvert or a weak person in general
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I wish I could like this video a million times. You said so well what I've struggled to put into words the past few years. Growing up there were so many amazing characters (male and female) I looked up to. I genuinely worry for my son and his generation. They are constantly shown nothing but unrelatable, flawless "strong women" and weak, stupid men. The media loves to blame men for all of society's ills, and yet at the same time they give them nothing to aspire to. I'm trying to get my son into gaming as, like you mentioned, there are still some really well written characters there. Still, I worry even those will end up being replaced at the behest of the woke mob. I just want good stories about relatable, interesting characters. Is that so much to ask?
Finally someone spoke up, finally someone had the force and courage to talk about this. As a young man myself I feel this happening every day. And I was wondering why I don't enjoy movies and video games anymore.
I’ve been watching you since your Elden Ring lore videos and everytime I get a notification about a new video, I have to watch. Thanks for making days better 🎉
Thank you for the video about the modern media's attack on strong men. As a man, I am glad you spoke the truth with your video and its inspiration to be a strong man and create strong male characters for my future creative projects as a creative.
Just stumbled upon your channel. Happy to say I'm a new subscriber now. I never had a brother, but I love my father, uncles, husband, nephews and childhood bros very much. I am grateful for them! I'm sorry for the hate that good men get, please know not all women hate all men.
Demonizing young men will lead to lots of angry young men with nothing to lose and no guidance on how to compose themselves to fight this cultural battle. This will lead to a lost generation which could lead to violence and actually move us backwards.
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If you think showing a female character as more powerful and capable then a male character is "demonizing young men", that's just you being paranoid and oversensitive
Wow it’s almost like parents and other role models should guide and nurture young boys into good men, not some movie, tv show, or video game. 😂 lol I’m so glad I have parents.
Your content has absolutely warranted a subscription... I really appreciate your take on the current state of the gaming industry, it's truly shocking how quickly society is becoming so misandristic with hardly any sign of easing up any time soon...
yeah I don't understand why they try to feminize us so mutch we don't wanna be emotional we don't wanna be physically weak we don't wanna talk about our problem everytime that's just how we are.
@@sole008 they don't understand what it is to be a man. Just because we do not cry does not mean we do not feel pain, just because we don't talk about our problems doesn't mean we don't feel burdened by them and just because we have strength it doesnt mean we will harm others with it. So what is it to be a man? It is not something that can be defined with words, it is what we are and we must answer that question by simply being ourselves.
U have a point, (as female not against emotional or vulnerable men, I think there also important) about the whole “the only way the entertainment media thinks they make a strong female character is to surround herself with weak men or praise upon her” which is something what I’ve been thinking for quiet a while and it’s frustrating how they think in that way.
The female protagonists of movies and TV series today are mostly toxic and annoying. Nowdays the misandry rules, specially in usa, is sad 😔 (Sorry for My English i'm latino) 😕
Yes, and that's not a good example. Strong female and strong male characters can coexist and work. What exactly does it gain us if a masculine female character is beating all the silly scripted male characters around her in a cool way? Also, such female characters don't feel powerful at all. They act as if strong male and female characters can't be together. I hate this.
I'm trying to write a story that has both strong male and female characters and I'm doubtful it will get any traction due to how the media is pushing their poor materials.
All I gotta say is don't worry about the gender. Just work on your characters. Readers/audiences care more about the person's character rather than their gender.
The destruction of Joel from The Last of Us is such a great recent example (and as a woman I was so angry with how the sequel treated him, particularly as bits of him reminded me of my late grandfather) the sequel doesn't exist to me. I watched and read the TLOU2 leaks and brought Ghost of Tsushima out of spite and loved it, I loved Jins character and his journey.
@@KuariThunderclaw By your logic in the post apocalyptic world of The Last of Us, every character should just go on revenge quests after killing to survive.
@@KuariThunderclaw "Killing a bunch of people has consequences" that was your statement, how many people that Ellie killed deserve their revenge on her? Since you said Joel deserved the 'reality' of what he got.
There are no words to describe how much your video means to me. I'm not in a great place in my life right now. Gaming and Dancing are my identity and even those worlds are being tainted by being told either directly or indirectly how toxic I am as a man. Your video gives me hope where I feel like I should just give up or become the monster they label me as. Thank you for your video and your message. I hope you have great success in your future!
That's why I really enjoy stories set in history and classic fantasy novels. The male characters in there are mostly strong and something to admire. The female characters, if done well, they're depicted as strong as well while still being feminine. You know, the realistic depiction of most women from history. Take LOTR for example. You've got Aragorn, Boromir, Faramir, Sam, Frodo, etc. They are strong male characters that aren't perfect and go through hell together. The females in that story, like Eowyn, Arwen and Galadriel are strong in their own right and have satisfying character arcs. The world is medieval and their roles in those stories make sense. They're respected as feminine characters and not fake masculine ones, which we see in so many bad stories these days. I relate to Eowyn and Arwen despite being a man. Their struggles make sense in the world they inhabit. I consider LOTR timeless, and I do not consider recent entertainment timeless.
Adam Jensen is one of my favorite protagonists. He’s a competent man of sheer determination and will (and a literal Übermensch after getting cybernetics), hates terrorism, but can be focused to a fault often rubbing people the wrong way. He also doesn’t hesitate to help the little guy and stand up to injustice (if you play him that way).
It is sad that now when I see a strong and/or competent man, I feel excited and elated. Its so uncommon now... I went back and watched an anime recently and it is so pleasant seeing truly good male characters
I also want to add that you cant make strong women by making all the men around them useless and weak. That doesn’t make them strong, at best it makes them mediocre or sub par. If a hero is only as good as his strongest villains then a female protagonist should also be only as strong as the strongest men around her
pause. if the argument is that "a hero is only as good as its strongest opponent" then wouldn't framing the issue as "a female protagonist is only as good as the strong men around them" intrinsically link the "men around them" with the "strong antagonist?"
@@fwwaller then your comparison just falls flat. The line between Protagonist and Antagonist is not the same as the one between Lead and Supporting Cast. Those comparisons aren't even parallel.
It's why I enjoy eastern media in general so much more than western, because (as far as the games I play), eastern games want to tell a story, not make a social statement. I just don't understand why anyone would think that the only way to make yourself look better is by putting down and *oppressing* them, the exact stuff they accuse men off.
Agree. When a character, male or female, is 'truly' strong - they don't need to push the other down. Many characters from LOTR trilogy like Aragorn or Éowyn are good examples.
@@User-jp1sj Only if your idea of "better" is "smugly looking down, mocking and attacking everyone who doesn't agree with me": that's not a strong character, that's an insecure, childish, self-absorbed asshole, regardless of gender or any other personal traits.
@@EndymionTv Eh, I respectfully disagree. I’ve played and beaten Arise and while there were some good things about it, overall there were cons that I couldn’t overlook. To me it felt like a discount Tales of Symphonia game which dealt with the same themes, but Symphonia did it better. Story wasn’t that good and lots of details needed explaining. And not much content. Game felt… too short and rushed through each region to leave an lasting impact and character relationships felt shoehorned and forced. I ended up despising Rinwell in the end and that was due to one skit about pillows. The story and characters had potential, but everything was grandiose for the sake of it and combat felt the most neutered in the series. And I played a lot of Tales games. Still I’m happy did find enjoyment with the game. I just wish it was better.
Whats ridiculous about it all to me is that you can even have a "strong" female and a "weak" male as the leads and still have them both be awesome, well liked characters. My example of this would be Nier Automata's 2B and 9S. 9S isn't exactly "weak", but in comparison to 2B, he is. However it isn't shown in a demeaning way. And it lends to this extremely badass female character, and a male character who still feels "real", without talking down to anyone.
It's heartening, and a positive sign, that this video is still online and receiving positive feedback - nevermind being created in the first place. Just 5 or 6 years ago, you'd have been attacked and canceled, only to have the video removed. It's hard to see it sometimes, but we've come a long way on the road back to Reason. Not there yet, but definitely making progress.
I’m glad people have been mostly positive towards the video, some negative for sure but that’s okay. I plan to make more stuff like this...and I hope people keep a level headed mind while watching. Thanks for watching! 🤘🏻🔥
I don't trust this society. Once an npc, always an npc. These are the same people that were lighting people on fire because they thought there was a witch infestation. They can try to change their colors, but they are always an npc to me.
Agree, there's been some good things to come out of some of these recent movements, but it's gone into the arena of over-correction and ignoring reality/logic/facts. Hollywood and media are slow to catching up with the fact people are over this wokeness era and media's need to pit groups of ppl against each other. Tired of the divisiveness everywhere, espescially in our politicians as well. Can't stand all of these stupid election commercials rn.
My mom raised me on an extreme version of this, being her only son of 3 children. She beat me every day for years, me alone. She told me constantly how men are terrible and women are amazing and can do no wrong. That looking at a woman and thinking she was pretty, even, was pure evil. My sister joined in on all this, beating me in turn, knowing that if I fought back I would be beat more by my mother because "you never hit a woman" My farther was always gone, and now that I'm an adult, I'm depressed, and never had a role model to look up to and I just don't know what to even do with my life.
Cut them out of your life ASAP. The sooner you do, the sooner you can start healing. If there's any around, join a gym and build yourself up. Rise from the ashes of the old you!
Yes. Strong male leads are important. I'm raising three boys who need to know that men are not stupid and dumb as portrayed in media. I'm tired of seeing men as weak minded individuals that are only comic relief. I want my boys to know that they can be strong and funny. This world has so many things backward. As a mom I have to be tough, but I receive negative comments because I raise my children to be independent and strong. Thank you for sharing this video. Very helpful .
this is one of the main reasons why i loved rrr so much...not only are the protagonists really (outlandishly) strong men, but they are also not afraid to be grounded and real when needed, like showing their emotions actually for a change and not just "shed a single tear at the darkest point of your life" kind of masculine
RRR actually shows what masculinity and femininity are according to classical Indian philosophy. The masculine is steadfast, blunt, overwhelming and powerful whereas the feminine is intricate, flowing, compassionate and graceful. The two protagonists combine both masculine and feminine qualities across their actions which make them so much likeable.
One thing that I find disappointing in modern western media and in western society in general is that men are encouraged to be emotional, but only when that emotion is love or sadness. A man isn't allowed to get justifiably angry at something or someone anymore. There's a pressure for stoic men to be more vocal about feelings that would make them vulnerable, but if they get angry with their wife, they are now evil. Men frequently share their more tender feelings -- but it's not always verbal. It could just be in an expression or an action. And anger is a natural human reaction that shouldn't be demonized. True, being destructive because of your anger is unhealthy, but anger in itself is not unhealthy. Just as holding back emotion is not unhealthy. A stoic man is not a toxic one.
As a female, I hate it how men are portrayed nowadays. It's like an inverse to the 'Nuclear Family' stereotype from the 50s, except with the housewife as a bigot, while the husband does all the dirty work from her. I grew up with cartoons like Ben 10, TMNT 2012, Avengers Earth's Mighiest Heroes and video games like Kingdom Hearts, Super Mario and during teenhood Devil May Cry. They all have male protagonists that are well-written! In entertainment, it doesn't mean you're "woke" for having a female protagonist, or having LGBTQ themes and ethnicity, it's the botched execution.
As a man I get what you’re saying. I also believe not only do we need good male and female leads. We also need variety of strong leads men and women need to know there’s more then on way to be strong and impactful besides being physically strong and stoic, because not everyone is like that or has the desire to be. You can have characters be quirky, tomboyish, mental strong, empathic, introverted, not traditional attractive , but still be competent and confident and just fun to watch. You can still be powerful while still being an individual and using your gifts and interest in ways that benefit you the most. That’s just my thoughts though nothing wrong with more traditional characters. I just dont think we should limit our creativity to that only to inspire others both men and women.
I am trying to become a writer for my first story. I'm having three male leads and a female lead (it takes place over many years). Once that was done for the second book, I am hoping to make strong male and female leaders as they are twins not just to balance it out but also hope that some people could be their role model
Thank God I was a teenager in the 90s nothing gonna move my beliefs but what I'm even more thankful is that both my sons are very clear about the role of man! Not only that they totally hate this trend/ agenda and the funny thing is they both came to that conclusion on their own!
Thank you thank you so much dude, we need to spread the word that not all men are bad and were not trying to diminish strong women. Young boys need strong role models just as much as young girls do but we shouldn't put down or demonize the other to accomplish what we're all striving towards: Equality.
As a husband and father now 40, I am old enough that the young guys are more like sons. And God, they are listless. I’m a master electrician, and my apprentices are young guys, 18, 20 years old. What they think a man should be is learned from media and school, because their own father was not in the home. They start out parroting this conception of being a man - they want to be aggressive, won’t own fuckups, overly emotional, shun responsibility. But it doesn’t take long for the dormant manhood in them to come out with a little persuasion. I had one young guy last summer who was making up for his lack of confidence with the “I don’t give a fuck” attitude. He would slow walk into the job, meander around, not pay attention, etc. I knew what I had to do. When a task came up that was important (running a wire tugger) I said out loud that this other guy should do it, the apprentice doesn’t want to be anything more than a gopher, getting materials and whatnot. I knew it would piss the kid off, and it did, he started arguing that no one teaches him anything, etc. I asked him if he was in my place, would he put any time into him? He stormed off to the break area, but I knew I had him. He even left the job early. I didn’t call him or anything, just waited to see if he could find his balls that night or not. Sure enough, he showed up the next morning and started putting in effort. I didn’t say anything about him leaving for a couple months. When it came time for his first report, he thought I was going to shit on him, but nope. I told him the truth. He has the ability, he has the smarts. He just needed to put some ass into it, and he’ll be a great electrician. These kids don’t have fatherly models. I’m not perfect, God knows. You don’t have to be. Young men today - just like throughout history - want to know when they bust their asses and take life’s punches on the chin that it is the right path for them. That it means something. That they are valuable and needed. Media used to supply this. When a super hero gets his ass kicked, or has to own up to his actions and words, even when it is far easier not to, that’s a life lesson. That is what men must do. That stubbornness and aggression every man has inside him is there for a reason, and a man must choose whether to turn it to good or evil. Modern media teaches these kids that their natural aggression and stubbornness is wrong, and that’s bullshit.
Man, I feel bad for non-Islamic people, not in a condescending way. Almost all of them don’t know what a man should be like. At least for us Muslim men, we have a clear role model who we should emulate, which is the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) - literally the greatest man who ever lived. I know the saying you can’t teach an old dog new tricks (no offense, mister!), but I think you should read about him and learn from his wisdom. God knows all young men should. Thank you for helping that kid.
When I grew up I had Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone, Harrison Ford, Robin Williams and later Jackie Chan. What do these kids have now? TH-cam influencers. Beta males who “transitioned”. Modern media telling them that traditional male masculinity is wrong and it should be shunned. No wonder so many kids today are messed up.
I worry about my baby brother. He’s 2 and he’s gonna grow up in this shit. I barely missed the downfall we’ve seen, and since I grew up away from my dad, a strong male role model was necessary for me. Without that, I’m not sure where I’d be. While my baby brother has his dad with him, he’ll be growing up in the world we are seeing today. I hope it changes for the better before it affects him.
My friend shared this in our discord, and me being curious I clicked on it the fact you had to say to watch before commenting and to have a open mind really shows the world we live in. I didn't really think that hard about the media and how the fact most of it today does in fact make us men look bad and weak in order for the women to look strong. I really enjoyed this and you really have a sense of confidence when speaking which I think really pulled this all together. I agree most of the stuff I enjoyed was a mix of strong male role models like robocop, robocop is my batman begins, and also films that respected both the male and female characters equally. Thank you I now will definitely be pickier about what movie and game I give money to moving forward.
Good point,YES...and The female protagonists of movies and TV series today are mostly toxic and annoying. Nowdays the misandry rules, specially in usa, is sad 😔💔 (Sorry for My English, i'm latino)
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@Rugie624 ! well it depends , if your protecting them from actual harm than that's good. but if your trying to ""protect"" them from non dangerous stuff than it be toxic.
Had thoughts a couple of days ago, when someone showed the usual ‘boo, male fantasy’ rhetoric about RDR2, alongside Marston building his farmhouse for his wife… What matters in my ‘fantasy’ is mattering. I want to matter to the people around me, and for my actions to matter, to have value, either in life or death. Whether on the battlefields, or the home, my fantasy is to matter, and to have value to the people in my life. Everything else is window dressing.
Im a woman,but I totally get ur point and totally agree! Besides I would go even further why all the "strong females" are just females mostly with traits that some would call toxic in a man, but in a woman she's just a strong female. We can have strong male and strong female characters,and because men and women are different and even the stories and situations the characteristics of those characters should be different!
Yeah, thats right, The female protagonists of movies and TV series today are mostly toxic and annoying. Nowdays the misandry rules, specially in usa, is sad 😔 (Sorry for My English i'm latino)
True, I'm a girl and all modern "strong" women films try to make me feel bad and insecure about being physically weak and feminine. But screw them, I ain't buying into misandry to feel better about myself.
@I am Fighterman Honestly, being horrible to equally horrible women isn't really the way to change the modern dating scene. Men sleeping around isn't really a pinnacle of chivalry and respect, and the same goes for women.
Nowadays with western media so heavily falling into downplaying or demonizing men there are a few bastions of hope. I know you mentioned The Terminal List which was a great show that I absolutely loved every minute of. Also two more shows that do this are Jack Reacher and Invincible. Invincible was an incredible show that also got me extremely emotional with a strong, human male lead as well as Jack Reacher, a great thriller and action show that had an amazingly crafted plot. Both shows of course, had a second (and in Invincible’s case third) season green lit shortly after release. I honestly can’t recommend these shows more they’re so amazing.
A lot of people in the comments have told me to watch Reacher, which I will at some point now. Invincible was fun as hell too. That train scene in the last episode was nucking futs 😂
Journalists were obsessed with trying to force people not to like Terminal List. They failed miserably. Great show. Amazon has been carrying the strong male leads lately. (lets ignore Rings of Power though, lol)
If you want a good old school example watch Paths of Glory (1957). It shows how a lawyer in the French army in WW1 is willing to stand up for what is right against his morally corrupt superiors and their selfish ambitions at the cost of innocent lives.
I think the issue with male vs female lead roles, is that it is very important for your lead character to have struggles, trials and tribulations. It’s easy to show a man’s flaws , but people think in order to be a strong female you can’t have any flaws. Therefore you don’t grow with the character you don’t learn to love them because you can’t relate. Look at how people love the protagonist from Alien. We saw her her struggle to get through a situation and people love her for it. Now look at characters like she hulk or even the female Hawkeye. We saw the struggles of the male leads for those roles, but somehow she hulk and female Hawkeye are beating up triad members with no training? Stop the cap lol
the problem is bad writers. too much focus on agendas than narrative. thisbisnwhy anime is destroying western media right now. there's stringnwomen who can be cute and now butch lesbians who hate men. and men can be string men but vulnerable. vulnerable men btw are very appealing for girls. just look at why kpop is so popular. they're pretty but they are string asf.( aka muscles masculine)- even a lot of military cop themes. Japan's own society has a lot ofnproblems which is why their art medium creates ideal humanity. - we aren't just gender. and even if we are- girls can be sexy cute and still be string and love guys. same with guys can be string or cute and love girls (denji from chainsaw whole mission is to touch boobs- the female Makino is 100 onncontrol)...
She-hulk did have character flaws, the writers are just so bad though, they made her extremely unlikable and the overall show just terrible. I don't get how they allowed this project to be released or who it was supposed to appeal to. Even though Ms. Marvel didn't get great viewing numbers, it's a much better show and wish it got more attention than whatever she-hulk was supposed to be.
Yes, I hate this. The fact that the female leads are perfect creates a great pressure on the audience. Girl viewers feel inadequate. She has no development, no thoughts or goals. Just beating someone by acting masculine and being perfectly beautiful is not writing good female characters. No one can learn anything from such characters. It's also disgusting that They're crushes each other to make male and female characters shine. That's why men and women who know a job very well in the society cannot take place together. Because people compare and try to show power. In the future, boys and girls will be our children in this society. Let's act accordingly and treat the opposite gender accordingly.... Sorry for my english :)
Absolutely this my dude. It’s good to see someone else who feels the same that’s not from specifically labeled social circles. I hope this video gets the traction it deserves.
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It is rather sad that we live in a world where talking about male representation needs to be prefaced with "this is not an attack on women". That being said, I am hopeful that things will change and that we will be able to have media where no one gender is berated.
It will only change if we stop attacking each other & understand we need each other to keep existing
That's because most people today have a divided/unbalanced/dualistic mindset which leads people to think and imagine things in a "us vs them", "me vs everyone else" type of thinking wich also leads to believing and seeing everything in a zero sum way. Basically if your not helping "us/me" then your helping "them/everyone else".
This is also due to a lack of objective Logic and of understanding or straight up willfull ignorance of Objective Morality leading to basing right and wrong on their personal feelings and idiologies. A moral person wouldn't base right or wrong on their own feelings or biases or they wouldn't care, let's say, if the victim of a crime was of a specific gender, they would only care who was the victimizer (the immoral one) and who was the victim (the one in the right).
@@agm5424 I wouldn't say most people but yeah, even some people that I had high expectations of have proven to have a very narrow and willfully ignorant approach to things. That being said, with how badly the media that pushes "the message" is doing I'm hopeful we'll be over this craze in a few years, if we're still around by then.
The reason it’s like that is because 99% of the loudest people who talk about male representation like this *are* those kinds of people, if you really wanna solve this problem you need to crack down on them before anyone else.
It’s not “ThA SjWs” that are the biggest problem, because all they’re capable of is pointing at and shrieking about those loud toxic dickheads who give as all a bad name- If we cracked down on the loudmouths first the sjw types wont have any ammunition to use against us, it deprives them of their favorite excuses.
@@EndymionTv exactly. Sadly there are people who just wants to see the world burn, starting with men. Not realizing that this will harm women and children in the long term. Weak men will never be taken seriously and for a country that has many weak men, they're just making themselves a ripe target for some malevolent organization like a rouge nation, a rebel group or a terrorist group.
It's hard to respect your audience when you hate your audience.
Exactly right
how to sum up the MHA fanbase in one sentence
@@kaih_the_viewer The fanbase is the audience?? I think the comment above is talking about the creators hating their audience not the audience hating themselves
western media companies keep hiring women and so called "male feminists" as writers who hate men and want to see them degraded. Why that is or why they feel that way I'm not sure but they keep hiring them to write and the whole thing is so obvious. Neil Druckmann is still a creative director at Naughty Dog. smh.
As a women, I'm tired of media treating men as crap. They deserved to be loved and treated like human beings. Also a lot of the recent media from Disney has HORRIBLE writing for all of their characters.
The female protagonists of movies and TV series today are mostly toxic and annoying.
Nowdays the misandry rules, specially in usa, is sad 😔
(Sorry for My English) 😕
even the women are not portrayed like human beings, it is sickening
@@joshycash3936
It's ok.
But you're right, many of the female protagonists are just that, toxic female characters who just mean and nasty people, but are called strong and independent women by a bunch of fools. And it is sad.
I'm stuck between desiring companionship
and strong feelings of fear and distrust.
By that same token, my scope of
sympathy is extremely narrow.
@@chubbyninja89 I agree
I'm a girl as well and it's honestly just horrible because females that are portrayed as "strong" are extremely unlikable and are badly written too! This doesn't empower anyone
Only puts men down and to be honest I feel like I have received my fair share of hate too because females are so misrepresented by media portraying them so toxically
It's scary
Literally all media needs is to treat its characters like people no matter the gender and boom! A hit!
I am a woman. I'm not American. I like well-written characters, whether male or female. Granted, I grew up in a different world. I remember when men were presented as reliable, strong, capable of protecting those who depended on them. Not brutal. Strong. Confident. Kind. Vulnerable and brave. Manly, in a word. I love Captain Kirk. I'd go to hell and back with Aragorn. One of my favorite movies to date is Joker. I had no problem identifying with his suffering. He's human and so am I.
"I'm not American"
CHAD
@@methylenedioxymethamphetamine1 7+b billion people can agree
Aragorn is one of the best male characters I've ever seen.
@@methylenedioxymethamphetamine1 🤓🤓🤓
@@Inv1cto Am American, love Aragorn.
I'm so glad this is being said. As a female myself, I hate seeing how degraded men in media has become. I grew up with great male characters and female characters. The diversity that we used to have was amazing and showed that you could have both male and female representation without any agenda behind it.
Thank you for being understanding & thanks for watching 🤘🏻🔥
And remember when " we all come from Africa, race is a stupid concept" was the message and we thought that judging people based on the content of their character rather than their immutable traits was a good idea? Since then, we made "progress"... I think that how they call it...
Remember the days of GOOD STORYTELLING. Crazy how we’ve strayed so far from that concept
Exactly.
Best male character is godzilla
What is also lost in this issue is that young girls also need flawed heroes to look up to. Female "heroes" are portrayed as having no major flaws, and if they have a flaw it's actually a positive thing that people around them just don't understand. Boys and girls need to see flawed heroes who push through adversity and overcome challenges. Not just show up and win. Unfortunately it has gone in opposing directions. Female characters are often perfect and male characters often always wrong. Outside of the effect this has on young viewers, it makes for boring films/tv/games.
It also can negatively go in the opposite direction, by taking once exciting, larger than life characters and make them flawed for the sake of being flawed.
For example look at current day Lara Croft who has largely lost what once made her so appealing, and i'm not just talking about her sex appeal.
@@charmingpeasant9834 Really? I've never played the old Tomb Raider games but the new Lara Croft is ridiculously beautiful and smoking hot to be honest.
@@charmingpeasant9834 Lara croft is boring.
Also there is always a female character in most Male characters and is given special screen time. Whereas in a woman lead character every Men are either useless or dumb.
It’s why so many girls now has unbearable egos
As a man I've learned to ignore what society says about men and I do my best to become the best version of myself no matter what anyone else says
Your right... But I fear for little boys who don't know any better.
@@donvee2000 it’s our job to teach them
@@JCardo2502 based af
@@donvee2000 teach them to not be lil bi tches.
Yep! You're doing "being a man" correctly. People can hate all they want, it's not going to stop real, good men.
Coming from a girl, I'm beyond happy and grateful that you made this video. I'm tired of seeing men being degraded. Strong men are what we need to have a functioning society. Feminists need to shut up and let men have their rightful place in the media.
What do you think of gow ragnarok
@@joshjonson2368 It was dogshit.
Glad to hear your reply. It's in womens bye interest to have strong men. More women need to speak up, because nobody's listening to men right now. Or what kind of men will there be for women to pair up with one day?
@@diosnumber1stfan That's why they are called "modern feminists" or feminazis in some circles. They took the original concept of what their idea meant and twisted it into a begrudged misandry spewing and self-entitled group that wants equality when it fits them. They are a small yet really fucking loud. Even some original feminists don't like the 3rd and up and coming 4th wave of feminists.
Western women have all the same rights as men along with all their own rights of being born a woman. Yet they keep saying they don't have anything! They have power and it seems they can't keep a lid on their mess as they are in-fighting on who is more marginalized in their group (ironic if you ask me)
Men and women can't be equal for many reasons, we can have equal opportunities but not equal outcomes as there is an inherent difference between men and women, and those differences make up for what each side lacks.
It’s not the feminists it’s the feminazis.
As a woman, I grew up with unrealistic standards for femininity due to poor representation in the media, it screwed me up real bad. Now as an adult, I'm watching my little brother go through the exact same thing with men in the media. It's heartbreaking. I never wanted anyone to go through the things I did and yet every single demon I struggled with as a teen has returned to plague my brother this time around.
Woah... that's devastating if you put it like that. My little bro and I watch almost everything together, from Disney to Marvel/DC to anime, and I only guide him to the good stuff. He's not oblivious to the concept of sexism or racism, but has enough role models to have good self-confidence. I can't imagine him consuming media that treats him badly.
@@spaghetto9836 I'm trying to steer my little brother towards similar media (he just started Dr. Stone and will probably move onto Naruto afterwards) I can't sit down and watch with him since I'm 8 years older but he always texts me when he finishes a series to ask for a new recommendation- which I think is a good sign.
When he gets old enough for serious stuff, you can recommend him Berserk.
@@eepyinSpring well tbh naruto is probably not the best for that, even though there are strong female characters theyre usually used as a fodder
@@ternach7945 I've watched a bit and I don't think the female representation is that bad since the star of the show is a boy you'd naturally want to see him succeed, but my brother needs to hear more positive things about himself right now. Living with 5 sisters has the benefit of teaching him women are people, but it results in him needing as much guy time as possible or else he'll start feeling isolated in his own home.
The biggest issue when writing a male protagonist vs female protagonist has to do with the intent to write a strong female protagonist. When writing a strong female protagonist, the goal is just to show her display strength. And if you cannot display strength, then you make all others around the woman weaker to achieve a similar effect.
When men are written as a strong male protagonist, they’re written with the concept of the Hero’s journey. This direction shows the trials, failures, as the hero grows.
Hollywood just needs writers that understand this.
Easier said than done unfortunately but yes you hit the nail on the head
@@EndymionTv especially when you look at most of the writers previous work. It seems Hollywood is shopping at Dollar General for quality.
Why not just utilize the Hero's journey for the woman? You don't have to put anyone down, just have her follow the same steps; (The ordinary world, the call to adventure, etc etc).
Rey Skywalker : I bypassed the hero journey
@@mainstreetsaint36 because the feminists can’t show women struggling. That goes against their “women are good at everything” narrative.
"Maybe it's because attacking your audience is a surefire way to make sure your projects never suceed ever." Lmao that was too good of a line bro
And they never learn
My advice to guys, block accounts and don’t watch content telling you you’re toxic for being a male. Don’t watch the media or any social media that spits out that agenda. Focus on yourself and your goals, if you come across women who think you’re trash don’t waste your time on them. There are honeys out there who know the value and worth of men, that’s who you should seek, not these women who believe these agendas against us.
It’s your life, you decide who you want to be. Don’t consume content telling you you’re worthless
Excellent advice
It's why I largely stay away from Instagram and Twitter. Both are feminized to the point where I literally feel like an outcast on them. So I deleted my accounts and never looked back.
The older I get, the more I'm in support of things like MGTOW. Dating in this day and age is like walking on eggshells.
That's most of all media and entertainment.
Have you ever actually learned what toxic masculinity means?
@@gavo7911 While feminine malignancy is celebrated.
I’m a woman. And I love seeing strong male role models. I can relate to them regards gender. You don’t have to only like female leads as role models if you are a girl yourself. This is why I loved ben 10 growing up and more male recommended audiences. Because usually the stories and characters were better and more mature. I was a bit of a Tomboy but loved girly stuff as well. I never had a mindset of ew men. Which thanks to my family, they raised me right.
Bam! In my opinion your comment hits several nails square on the head. Especially with regards to IDENTIFICATION. What I mean is the volitive choice a person makes to align with the norms, values and behaviour of another one. As a boy, I grew up in the '80s and back then we had not quantity but at least quality on the 'strong female character' department (before they were called like that)... and I could identify with all of them, regardless of gender just like you. Princess Leia. Ellen Ripley. Sarah Connor. These were well written characters (back then) that I could understand and see as a role model because of their norms, values and behaviour, not their gender. That's actually what role models are about, ain't it? That said, I also think a very important question to ask is: what is the definition of STRONG men actually? One of the movies that really made an impact on me was 'Schindler's List', not because of the topic it displayed but the arc of Oskar Schindler (which Liam Neeson portrayed so masterfully): a man who had put himself atop the ladder of his world, saw the injustice of it and had the will and guts to act upon his change of heart, against much larger odds. That takes both strength and courage. His superpowers? Compassion and cunning. This character showed young me that 'with great power comes great responsibility' towards others, with real-world actions instead of spidey-senses. What I'm saying is, in an avalanche of super-powered characters in media, we maybe need more of these kind of role-models: the simple people that rise to a challenge and GROW throughout the process, showing us how to do it and why it is important to act upon it. So we can identify with their norms, values and behaviour, regardless of gender. My 2 cents.
Like on sigma male meme?
@@code066funkinbird3 The sigma male meme is quite cringe to be honest. But if i look at it from a personal view, I think it captures the feeling of longing, loneliness, sadness etc. But they look strong or are willing to live. The only part i find cringe is people wanting to be Patrick Baitman. A psycho who kills people, or so we think.
But I think most people have re branded his image to feel from a semi relatable stand point. Like his expressions, or adding him to POV situations as if trying to capture a metaphoric feeling us humans go through.
Great example of good female lead is Lara Croft Tomb Rider, the first remake of 2013 Tomb Rider is really good capturing Lara's journey as a female character overcoming boundaries, Lara's character still baddass and cool on par with any other male lead character/hero without sacrificing her feminism and looks
Unfortunately people who make media these days cant understand that you dont have to see someone exactly like you to relate to them, hell i doubt these people have actually spoken to a real.human outside of hollywood, i have female and gay friends who love the classic 90s xmen show and comics but they wanna change everyone into what THEY believe is what real people are. And sadly theyll just keep failing because they refuse to see past their own ignorance
I remember hearing all the calls for more "strong female characters" back in 2010 or so and thinking, "absolutely-- I'd love that". But I slowly learned that we weren't on the same page at all. When I say, "strong character", I mean a character with their own motivations, fears, strengths, and faults. That wasn't what the critics meant at all. They basically meant **literally strong**, as in the third grader interpretation of strong. Physically unstoppable, pure of heart, omniscient, fearless Mary Sues who always do what's right and never, ever make a mistake or questionable moral call.
I don't have a problem with Mary sues, when they're done right. Alot of "Mary sues" are just self richous assholes surrounded by morons. Instead of a perfect person, you have an embarrassment who looks good by comparison.
The problem is nowadays characters in popular media are never just characters: even though they're not supposed to represent that, they're perceived by the public as a statement towards the social group they're part of. Therefore a personality trait of just one female character becomes, to the audience's eyes, an indirect way of passing the message that, according to the author(s), all women possess that particular personality trait. You can easily imagine how this becomes a problem when writing any female character, which leads of course, in order to avoid ripercussions, to design said character as virtually perfect and devoid of flaws, such as a child would write it, basically the embodiment of a Saint or a God.
Honestly, I just want a CHARACTER, not a caricature or a self-insert. I want real character development. I want something to make me sympathize with them, other than the fact that we are both female homosapiens.
This, I want a woman that has to overcome her weaknesses, isn't perfect, isn't the strongest but she tries her best. I want human female who cries and can feel powerless,
Shinobu Kochou is the best female writte character from shounen now
Watching incels cry and whine about representation is fun as hell. These are the same idiots that think a badly written character like Aizen is a good character. They cry about Captain Marvel busting thought a few ships but ignore Superman who can do the same with 40 other abilities that are tacked on for no reason. Hypocrisy at its finest
I am a woman and I 100% agree. Instead of aiming for female-centric or male-centric, let's aim for good-character-centric. Besides, I would think a strong female protagonist would deserve a strong male (if she likes guys) to be her foil. Also, I am the mother of a son and I 100% want him to have good role models to look up to.
Thank you for being understanding. I’m glad you liked the video & I hope your son gets the positive representation he needs in media 🤘🏻🔥
She doesn't even need to like guys to have a male foil. He could be a brother, a best friend, a father/uncle for mentorship role, or even a rival
@@zachrabaznaz7687 Yes! I agree.
Is sad but misandryc rules nowdays...especially in usa and spain.
(Sorry for My English guys, i'm latino)
@@joshycash3936 Ahhh...but not the other way around? You need to get out more or stop watching those toxic manzone, MGTOW, INCEL channels
I'm a woman and I want strong male characters back, give us Clint Eastwood type of men back.
W woman
Ah yes Clint Eastwood who was close to attacking women at the Oscars. Very good male role models 😂
@@FelineTomfoolery69 Attacking? When did he attack women?
W Woman
@@satines6045 Look at the phrasing "was close to attacking" basically it never happened but it "looked" to whoever said this it happened😂
Having a son who's growing up with this shit, I'm fucking terrified for him. I hate to do it but I carefully select the media he interacts with when he does. Because he doesn't need to grow up subconsciously thinking he's trash or not worth a damn. I refuse to let this industry do what it's done to so many men nowadays. Abhorrent
yeah its hard not to fear athe future where society is quite literally failing men, ultimately a lot of us are going to suffer the consequences.
I don't have any kids but when I do, I want to share classic animes like yuyu Hakusho with them because that Anime inspired me as a child to look at people's good side
The society is pushing gay agenda and transgender
I feel this way about my daughters.
I believe women too need strong men as examples, it will help them see the qualities in men, see what they want in men and most importantly empathize with men
As a woman I completely agree with everything you said. Many of my favorite characters in media are men and hate how modern media will/have ruin them.
To be fair modern western media doesn’t like women anymore than it likes men.
I too thought the same. I'm just 16 years old and I started writing stories when 15 on wattpad. I could do more better than them despite all are being a fanfiction and one single fantasy book. In addition, I'm working as a temporary writer on wattpad. Surprise.
I also don't understand why these writer make the woman protagonist to be overpower like that. And men treated like trash... do they know what are the consequences of this? Men are truly strong and that is a fact. Women too are strong but I show it in different way.
When I continue watching this. He's right. Asian is more better than Western. I prefer strong men characters and.. women as well but they must show their respect and great motivation.
I also love Demon Slayer!!
The female protagonists of movies and TV series today are mostly toxic and annoying.
Nowdays the misandry rules, specially in usa, is sad 😔
(Sorry for My English)
@@joshycash3936 seen so many examples of that with modern entertainment. Very good example of that are both She-Hulk and Galadriel of Rings of Power.
its rlly frustarting, as a girl, to like male characters or criticise a female character and someone just says "oh u just have internalised misogyny" like apparently even criticising a female character is perpetuating harmful prejudice against them or some shit.
It’s probably why so many guys turn towards anime and manga and media of the such. It actually creates a male character that they can relate to and make the feel powerful and strong in places where most media fail to provide.
Thats the reason why Demon Slayer mugen train & Weathering with you are bangers. Because in Japan art comes before politics
I would also like to add that manga and anime has a lot of variety in the form of different types of stories that tend to different demographics, from comedy and slice-of-life to drama, crime, scifi, fantasy and a whole slew of other things. In the meantime western media seem hung up on the idea that one story should cater to everyone, and they concequently try to shoehorn _ALL_ the things into everything they make, slap on a "diversity and inclusivity" label and call it a day, with the end result being a mess that very few people likes. Then they attack their audience when things fail, and call them the negative buzzwords of the day before repeating the same mistake. In the meantime, if a manga doesn't succeed it gets booted out, and the creator have to go back to the drawing board (ha) and try again.
its funny when i see people hating on anime and manga so much. They can keep their American Netflix shows that shoe horn politcs and make men always useless.
Ill stick with the medium that acutally has men being badass and even manages to have strong female characters without making the males impotent lol.
Most Anime doesn't tell stories based on agenda narratives most of the time. its just stories with good characters both male and female. And it is why i prefer it now to most other entertainment media because it the same as it mostly always was.
As a woman, I can agree with pretty much everything you've said. I'm tired of seeing "strong female lead characters" it was cool at first to see women take the predominantly male lead spots for strong badass women, but it was and is a novelty. Men get shunned simply for existing and that is frankly sad. We went from Captain America to she hulk, we went from Luke to Rey and it just doesn't make any sense. I can relate to the strong male just as much as I can relate to the strong female, if they're done correctly. I cannot imagine being a man or young boy seeing everyone hate them just because they were born. That has to be the single saddest things to experience, my heart goes out to all of you, and it's not right.
Ripley, Connor and Trinity come to mind.
Its life and you know what I never even hated the stereotype that Men were leaders in fiction that give out orders and women were followers that would at times be dimsels in distress.But that wouldn't be necessarily bad unless the characters were not written right and hadn't had more nuance in their character besides being typical 🙄stereotypes because I believes its not about being strong or weak but more on how good your character is in terms of overcoming struggles. So basically since Western Media have proven to be no different than the writers in the past that over stereotype women and men in specific scenes based of off gender.Rather than just working on the characters strengths,goals and weakness regardless of how their portrayed.Because that's what matters the most🤷♂
@@Tanaka-kun9313 Men are leaders and give out orders. Men have led both industry and war. An overwhelming majority of major scientific discoveries have been discovered by men. Every single war has had men at the head, leading others into battle.
It is more fiction for women to have these roles.
I have never seen a woman be as capable as a man in any type of battle-- ever.
@ojonasar
Who is trinity?
@@fishertheadore6095From The Matrix.
I'm happy people are realizing that media is trying to corrupt both men & women. Hopefully everyone knows that you're worth it regardless of gender or occupation, we are the gaming industry, and if we continue choosing the best then eventually the industry will be fixed.
We need to uplift each other & not tear each other down
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@@EndymionTv Strong white men? Where? Incels don't seem strong
@@EndymionTv no we need to rise up and boycott any of these media
Well said
Arcane is my favorite example of a show that has brilliantly written strong female characters without emasculating or reducing male characters to jokes or villains. The male characters are all as interesting, empowering and just all around badass and likeable without it being a competition with the female characters. On top of that the show is just a masterpiece in general and has inspired me to pursue animation and storytelling.
I LOVED arcane
Arcane is incredible. What a breath of fresh air that was amongst all the crap Disney and Marvel have been pushing out these days.
Absolutely agree. Each character in Arcane were incredibly well defined just on their own. Some might have a backstory with another, but you don't need a backstory for just the characterization. Each one could have their own story that Never mentions another established character, and Still be good characters. And to be able to mesh these characters together so that they play off each other, and help each other grow as characters in the world building is Such a difficult task to do in writing.
I went in to Arcane expecting it to be shit, and to tear it a new asshole. But after 10 minutes I completely forgot about that and was just engrossed in the characters, world, story.
Same here, i was inspired to write my own fantasy story... Tbh there are three strong male protagonists and strong female side characters in my books and in today's world, that's not the way to go. After all, i write for my self and ppl who like it 😄
anime is the last island of conservatism
This is why I enjoyed the Terminal List so much. A male protagonist that keeps pushing through the pain to achieve his goals
And it never once talks down to you. It doesn’t judge you, attack or assume it knows better. And it was a smashing success, surprise surprise am I right?
@@EndymionTv
It's what happens when the usual suspects aren't the ones writing, producing and directing.
The protagonist went full circle and went to a fucking insane person, which I'm cool with. Yes, he was doing terrorist actions but I get why, doesn't stop him being wrong in almost putting innocent people in jeopardy, but I got it.
He was a very grey character. I understood 100% why he did what he did but I can also see from a civilian point of view, that dude was a true danger to society.
And that is what made the show good. Nobody was the good guy in that. Maybe in the beginning but further we went the more and more his actions became bad. Which he thought himself as well but he couldn't stop his mission because he literally had nothing left to lose but get his revenge.
The book series is pretty good.
Just started it. It feels refreshing to watch
As a 90's kid, I can confidently say I grew up with Xena the Warrior Princess and that show, compared to the shit we see today, is a masterclass on how to empower a character by treating them as human beings, not reminding us that "thEy ArE wOmEn"
i remember that show, it was cool
Gabrielle too :D
That'll be Kim Possible for me. I like what I got, didn't matter Kim is a gal and her sidekick's a goofy guy in Ron.
Whoever is strong doesn’t need to be strong by pushing others down. Gray Man is a good example because the “strong woman” basically saved his ass in his most times of need. The only difference is that it never came off like pandering. He was the main character but she helped him, it was just done appropriately. Can’t see why you can’t have it both ways.
Exactly you don’t need to tear someone down to bring someone else up
The key thing is "in his time of need"
Every human can be strong, but you show your humanity threw your vulnerability.
Having someone help you doesn't make you less strong, it means you're human.
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Wait, doesn't that make him a damsel in distress? Someone said to be capable shouldn't need so much saving. Did the woman herself ever need saving?
@@grinko1222 I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic, honestly. But they helped each other, ultimately. She saved his ass, he saved hers. He shaved her ass, she shaved his.
A few months ago I got called an idiot for claiming that the Yakuza games were themed around Japanese men and masculinity, and that having a main-line female led game would be terribly condesending. Such are the times.
I love the yakuza games, kiryu (as well as many of the other main characters) are fantastic not just in them being strong but likable and interesting as well
Yakuza go hard bruh
But a game with a female lead would be interesting though 👀
@@Mash.Potatoes Absolutely! That's why I recommended it as a spin-off rather than a main title.
I don't care about any of what came before if the game is interesting. This is why there needs to be a preface saying "It's not an attack to women, but actually it would suck because women just don't fit Yakuza as protagonists" which is just random and undeserved, skilled writers can do whatever they want and if Yakuza got to this point they'll make it work, I have that sort of trust.
The demonization of "strong Men" in Western Media has made me completely move to watching mostly Asian Movies/TV Shows and playing older video games (playing through the Yakuza Series for the 1st time from 0-Like a Dragon. Currently on Yakuza 3 remastered) or being VERY selective with which new games to purchase.
Same here. As a woman, I am beginning the find the strong flawless woman types kinda boring, and not as relatable, I was recently replaying the Witcher 3 for the second time and I found myself relating more to gearlt than any modern female lead the media can produce. And I am also playing through neir automata, with both a male and female lead, 2b and 9s, both of them relatable, and flawed, and strong in their own ways. Pleas bring back flawed leads, of both genders.
@@peridotpockygod.9080 it's almost like humans are capable of relating to chatacters of the opposite sex
@@peridotpockygod.9080 Amazing point. I think the overriding issue is that Hollywood/Western writing either party or fully because of “3rd wave feminism” don’t know how to write compelling but flawed (aka relatable) female Characters (I think Lara Croft in the recent trilogy is a huge exception).
They can only write either “Mary Sue” characters *cough Captain Marvel and Rey from Star Wars cough* or completely demonize even straight man around that character.
In my mind that does BOTH sexes a huge disservice. Personally I love good compelling storytelling regardless of the characters gender but will completely avoid any content that’s going to preach/talk down to me because I’m a man.
@@CornG4397 💯 agree, compelling and flawed characters with good writing regardless of gender are relatable to both sexes. It’s almost like writing for western entertainment forgot the point of “compelling story first” instead of “agenda checkboxes over everything else.”
Or most writers just suck now and can only pander to the twitter blue check marks and games “journalists” lol.
@@RippedTideGames female characters overall are boring and pathetic actually. You won't find any strong Male character in a female lead movie.
I'm a girl and I agree 100%!
While I appreciate that more male characters are written to show emotions and vulnerability more often these days, a lot of female characters are unfortunately written to be the exact opposite... They show very little vulnerability and have barely any flaws. I suspect that some writers may be afraid to write female characters who can be emotional and sensitive due to the stereotype of women being 'overly emotional', because having emotions is 'weak' apparently...? 😐
Personally, I believe it's very important for people and especially impressionable children to have great female AND male role models to look up to, in the real world as well as the media.
I agree with everything you said. Why do we so rarely see male and female characters working together? Now I'm supposed to get excited for a female hero just because she's female. It's ridicilous.
Female characters are basically written to be hypermasculine men.
I was depressed enough as a kid without the world telling me my entire gender was weak and problematic. I can't even imagine what kids like me are feeling now.
You're absolutely right.... It's causing terrible problems and will only get worse.
Maybe parents need to spend more time with their children and stop letting media teach them. Thats where it all went wrong.
That is not what the media is telling u lmaooo
Thankfully you played MegaMan X as a kid. X is a great character and a good role model imo. Very compassionate, yet strong willed and is willing to do what it takes to defend the people he cares about. He has flaws, as he gets bodied by Vile and told he sucks, then becomes stronger after some growth and maverick exterminating, and one shots him with a hadoken. X also loses someone close to him in X1, which is something I believe a lot of people can relate to.
I randomly watched this video out of curiosity, but thank you for voicing out male's problem in today’s society. While I’m female, I have a younger brother who is struggling through life and withdrawing from everyone. This video from a male’s perspective helps me understand him and his problem a bit more.
Maybe he's gay...Have you bothered to ask what his problem is? And if not why not and what are your parents doing about it?
@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax
Where did gay come from?
It's just being a guy in general
@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax See, comments like these are what threaten the notion that "most men are just your normal guy". Stop.
@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax everything this about sexuality now days isn’t it …
@@dizzyheads I'm gay. Been through the withdrawing from people who are supposed to look out for you. This is a simple example of it
I marathoned Edgerunners yesterday, and it was nuts how David and Lucy were handled. They have a genuinely loving relationship, are both badasses, and are both likeable.
Edit: I also am still looking forward to Callisto Protocol
The anime is the sole reason i installed cyberpunk
And that's a big reason why Manga wins over Western comics. They don't do this misandric "woke" crap that put men down just because.
Anime and Manga has always had strong Female characters from long ago (e.g. Sailor Moon, Evangelion, Puella Magi Madoka Magica), and they NEVER needed to put men down ala-feminist-like like in today's Hollywood stuff.
In the Cyberpunk video game itself I feel like it has a good Male/Female lead in V and also Johnny Silverhand.
@@ReimaruArt Eeeh...anime and manga may not be as woke, but there's PLENTY of misandry in different forms. The number of male characters that suffer often horrific abuse from female characters as a laugh isn't just a trope, it practically created the trope.
@@ReimaruArt
Edgerunners isn't a manga. It was created by Rafał Jaki, who considers himself a feminist.
What’s worse is I think little boys and girls are both being taught to hate each other for who they are through the twisted representation being given today. For men it’s being told you’re supposed to be weak, submissive, subservient to all women regardless of how you’re treated. For women it’s being told you need to be emotionless, stoic, completely flawless and taught that all men are creepers or need to be beaten down at every opportunity. That’s at least what I’ve seen, and that’s incredibly sad to think about. No wonder loneliness is on the rise for my and the next generation.
All according to the Davos agenda. A smokescreen so no one unites enough to challenge their bs.
As a woman… or no… as a writer and lover of good storytelling, thank you. I always make sure to have my male characters be strong even with their flaws, because that’s the type of men I grew up with and have learned about. I can’t imagine being a child growing up and growing up with these crappy stories where men are bad and women are instantly perfect and good. When I have kids I want to show them media I grew up with and males I look up to, including creating my own with strong characters.
Even male characters that people often cite as Gary Stus are not really Gary Stus, like Rambo for example, people say he has no flaws but really forget the scene of him breaking down and crying while talking about his trauma at Vietnam.
@@CatBxtchNami That scene is literally my clearest memory of the movie. Even though I had already been rooting for him, it wasn't until then that I realised how much he was going through. It's the reason I still love him as a character - he was allowed to break down and be a human
It's just too bad that they write perfect female characters. The characters who are not allowed to make any mistakes are not realistic at all. Male or female, it doesn't matter. Just write them as human.
@@CatBxtchNami I think you'd be hard pressed to find a single Gary Stu that hasn't gone through the ringer, he pretty much doesn't exist.
Classic Lara Croft isn't a Mary Sue despite being incredibly capable, wealthy and self assured. For one, while I played her, she was a total clutz (frickin gravity), but more than that, she faced opposition, she wasn't loved by all and she had equals in skill and wit. I mean, she's Indianna Jones with a tissue box up his shirt, not a Mary Sue.
Even looking to the movies, she could almost be described as such, but doesn't quite fit the bill. Her first scene shows her eventually getting overwhelmed by her own training dummy, so from the off we know that as good as she is, she's not unbeatable.
It just goes to show, you can have skilled women, you can barely explain that talent and still avoid a Mary Sue. All it takes is actual obstacles that she has to adapt to to overcome. If she already has the skills needed for the exact situation being portrayed, why are we even here?
@@mobbs6426
Sorry, I don't understand your slang, what do you mean by 'ringer'?
Second, why respond to me?
I did not state any opinion that contradicts yours or about Lara Croft itself.
Your comment doesn't even add to mine.
personally i think that Guts from berserk is the perfect example of how to write a strong, sure his power and strength is extreme and godlike compared to normal humans of the series he swings a sword that weigh more than 100kg or about 300lbs but he struggles so much that earth is like hell for him
he is really emotional and is driven by his feelings for vengeance and is probably fiction’s most tragic character but he still keeps on going.
his love Casca was a strong but emotional female character that struggled.
That guy is in league of his own,a lot of anime characters like Goku,Saitama,Superman shows great personality that I would love my kids to look up to n leave the ones degrading men.
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Thank you for mentioning The Terminal List. I didn’t expect Chris Pratt had it in him to play a non comedic and broken character
As a female and mother to two girls and 2 boys....I've tried so hard to be a good role model for all 4. But it's so hard as a single mom to teach the boys to be strong males when I'm not a male. They know that women are strong, flawed and resilient and human. I don't have anyone around anymore that was teaching them how to be a strong flawed male human in today's world that teaches them they're irrelevant and toxic as their future step dad had passed from cancer last year. They had two years with him and learned a lot but not enough in today's world.
my condolences. Always sad to see someone pass to early. I wish everyone health. Have a nice day!
The fact that this disclaimer has to even be a thing is sad asf, this desperately needs to change. Men and women can be stronge not one or the other and people seriously need to understand that but anyway this is an amazing vid and keep preaching the good message.
If I don’t put a disclaimer things would get sour real quick
Very true, just your message should go without saying, but sadly some people talk out of their ass before watching the actual video. I don't think you said anything wrong tbh. Pardon my language
@@fmltwice8533 all good man!
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This whole thing Is Made on porpuse to weaken male from countries whit this woke bs so when the War comes it's easier to take over
You showed the clip of Aloy telling the cook to stand up for himself. And I think one of the biggest things over looked in Horizon is Rost. How important Rost is to Aloy. How Rost taught her everything she knows. His guidance made her the capable young woman she is today.
I feel like of all forms of media, Novels suffer from this topic the least. If you're looking for refreshing media that depicts male and female characters equally as humans first and gender/sexuality aren't as important, I'd recommend picking up a Brandon Sanderson novel sometime. Character writing is something he excels in, and especially in the Mistborn series, the characters feel refreshingly human. Even when he writes characters who are overtly feminist, they do so in a way that empowers female characters without degrading male ones, and his writing never once talks down to its audience.
Edit: Particularly Era 2, the Wax and Wayne series. The first doesn't struggle with strong men but does struggle with strong women that aren't its protagonist
Kaladin is one of the most badass written characters ever. Sanderson is working on pure magic with him.
100% agree! Also,to find good female protagonists and villains as well as and good male secondaries and villais pick up 'the book of the ancestor' trilogy by Mark Lawrence.
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Brandon Sanderson is a blessing to this world. I recommend everyone to try his books.
This is why I looked into self publishing because the traditional houses are indoctrinated by that women policy. Male weak. Female must be empowered. No female must be villain
As a straight woman, I miss strong men in media and in real life. The beauty of male and female relationships of all kinds is the balance. We are both strong in different, but equally necessary ways. Like Yin and Yang, we compliment each other and are incredibly powerful together.
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Damn right also a dude on here called us devils like wtf
Another character is from Arcane too, Ekko the leader of the Firelight is such a great character he doesn’t have a lot of screentime but when he’s here you know that he’s here. He literally have an episode named with his surname. The episode shows us how this kid was left alone but fought for his life to became the respected a loved leader that he is. We need more of those type of character.
When you mentioned how "Batman Begins" is about a flawed Bruce Wayne overcoming his fears and trauma to become something more, I thought of "The Batman" and how it shows a similar message. In this movie, Bruce's actions lead to the creation of the Riddler, his trauma and fear giving him the misguided idea that he must be Vengeance to strike fear in the hearts of the criminals.
But by doing so he only makes things worst and Gotham only begins healing once he goes past his flaw, face his trauma and understands that he CANNOT be anger and fear, he must rise above it. He must be the hope for the fearful, the light that shines through to the lost souls of a decayed city.
I am really glad that they took such a risk and made Batman a flawed, yet good man. It makes me hopeful that even though there's this trend of making weak men in media, some people still strive to do better and give us heroes to strive towards. "The Batman" shows us perfectly how a flawed man can rise above his weaknesses and become something greater and I hope more young boys took it as an example on what to become.
I love The Batman it was a great film and rewatch it twice.
The Batman was much better than I thought it would be. Kudos to the filmmakers for not making Selina Kyle some perfect invincible grrrrl power character either. She's believable, has flaws, takes hits, and doesn't just automatically win everything, much like Batman himself.
Its a brilliant movie ,a very well done Bruce Wayne and Batman.It gives you a feeling of hope , the want to do good and help others.The last scenes of Batman helping the civilians in flood was so symbolic and beautiful.
I still prefered how batman begins treated this over The Batman, because batman begins focused more on The man behind the mask, something the batman doesnt.
The Batman was great. Way better then I expected (was esp impressed by the pacing. Despite being almost 3hrs it didn't drag for me at any point)
A strong character who happens to be a woman or man is something that always stuck with me. Like take for example Han So-Hee's character in My Name, her character is well written and it doesn't matter if she was a man or a woman, she struggles but pushes on, not just in combat alone.
That's the point these morons keep missing. What makes a character compelling is making a strong CHARACTER. Their gender, sexuality, etc etc, should be something you tack on AFTER you've made the strong foundation
Women being depicted as strong and masculine warriors is disgusting and silly. Men being depicted as feminine is just as repulsive as women being depicted as masculine
Honestly Kdramas are frequently superior in terms of writing characters than Hollywood - they manage to make strong male and female characters without a feminist agenda or diversity nonsense
Arcane is the perfect blueprint of how to write a piece of media that empowers both men and women without diminishing either
I agree with you wholeheartedly mate. As a wife of an awesome guy and the mum of a wonderful young son I am grieved at what the world is trying to say to them. We need to return to a space where we encourage and build up- to ask and challenge guys to be the best version of themselves and recognise how needed and powerful good men are.
I hope your son embraces his masculinity & uses it to better the world around him. I hope you are all doing well & thank you for watching. It means a lot 🤘🏻🔥❤️
Mangas such as Berserk, Sun Ken Rock, Holyland, Vagabond, Vinland Saga etc. Are filled with strong men and i recommend anyone who hasn't seen any of them or have seen a few of them should check out the rest. I highly recommend them because they inspired and taught me lots of good things
And Cyborg 009, don't forget about that. The titular character as well as the cast as a whole has many strong male characters. It's also one of the most influential manga in history, so there's that as well.
Fist of the north star ✨
Highschool of the Dead, Rising of Shield Hero, Shinchou Yuusha, Konosuba, Golgo 13, Hajime no Ippo, Armed Girls Machiavellism.
And Jojo
More videos like this need to exist from more online creators to spread this message, and change things for the better. Great video man just keep it up.
This is why I loved Dragon Ball so much. My context was me being tried of marvel and dc and wanting something better that didn’t infuriate me. I started watching DB and seeing such good, flawed, strong characters was truly uplifting
I'm watching DBZ,right now,i never got the chance to watch even the whole original series as a kid,because now we have websites for it.
@@kostadinpanov4596 kinda same but they still keep a good power system too
They even got the strong independent woman right: Chi Chi, and Bulma (who's literally the female version of Tony Stark). And most of all, most of the characters have families (Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Krillin) and it's not toxic relationships.
@@tkraid2575 exactly this. It’s almost like when you’re a good writer people like your stuff
I've become very skeptical of female led medias, games and tv/movies, because of this. Besides Horizon, tomb raider, and single player games to customize myself as female, I rarely engage in other female games. Like you said, it's demeaning and insulting to see men get put down and neutered in the pursuit of female empowerment. I used to love the marvel movies, but I haven't seen a single female led superhero movie (watched Black Widow because of friends) because they are always terrible. Why would men watch or engage in media that actively insults and disrespects them?
I'm sure a masochist enjoys watching that, but that doesn't make it good. It's unhealthy and toxic
If I have a son - or Hell, a child of any sex - I will surround them with the best possible media. Tell them stories about earning rewards through effort; treating others with compassion; thinking on your feet; etc.
I've never fully enjoyed media with female leads
I'm not a female so my innate responses, reactions, ideas and means of survival are completely different and they're never that relatable
Plus when I project into a story I don't project myself into a woman because I'm not a woman
On the bright side, most women are bothered and don’t want to see it either. She hulk is right over there, along with rings of power.
Even Horizon Zero Dawn depicts men as either weak, evil, or effeminate. The only remotely good male character there is Erend and even then he is depicted as being lesser than his sister.
@@OmegaF77 I'm sad cause I was actually loving the game so far, before finding about its "feminist" subtext, and then it clicked in my mind: certain dialogues, certain jokes, certain characters. The funny thing is, there were some jokes on men I actually enjoyed, because I thought they were simply that, just jokes, and not some subtle and smug way of passing the same old anti-men message. I mean, laughing and poking fun at male characters can be really entertaining, but not so much when behind the jokes there is an actual intent to look down on and ridicule a certain social group.
In recent years I've suffered from severe depression which has lead to being suicidal due to having autism and feeling like everyone hates me for both being white and male. This video has been a breath of fresh air, so thanks for that :)
Hope you’re doing ok nowadays.
Seek a therapist, this may sound like obvious advice but a lot of people with mental problems don't realize how much good therapy can do for them.
hope your'e doing ok man, but just let me say this, you shouldn't think too much about what others think, try keep your mind free from stuff like that, just be yourself and be kind to others, so if others have a problem with you know its not your fault, its theirs.
@@Spillow-C
Ok, this may sound like a joke but... man, we live in a society.
I mean, what other people think of you is important because we live in a society, not caring what others think of you is poor advice by a person with likely not a lot of experience in life, no offense.
Better advice would be: Choose well whose opinion is actually important.
@@CatBxtchNami i said, you shouldn't think "too much", not "at all" or something, because thinking too much about that it makes you under pressure and constantly nervous, and it becomes sickness, especially if you are a introvert or a weak person in general
100% agree with you. I am glad that someone started talking about this problem
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I wish I could like this video a million times. You said so well what I've struggled to put into words the past few years.
Growing up there were so many amazing characters (male and female) I looked up to. I genuinely worry for my son and his generation. They are constantly shown nothing but unrelatable, flawless "strong women" and weak, stupid men. The media loves to blame men for all of society's ills, and yet at the same time they give them nothing to aspire to. I'm trying to get my son into gaming as, like you mentioned, there are still some really well written characters there. Still, I worry even those will end up being replaced at the behest of the woke mob.
I just want good stories about relatable, interesting characters. Is that so much to ask?
Finally someone spoke up, finally someone had the force and courage to talk about this.
As a young man myself I feel this happening every day. And I was wondering why I don't enjoy movies and video games anymore.
I’ve been watching you since your Elden Ring lore videos and everytime I get a notification about a new video, I have to watch. Thanks for making days better 🎉
I’m happy you enjoy the content, it exists because of viewers like yourself so thank you 🤘🏻🔥
So true man, don't stop you're a real one love all your vids ❤️
Thanks dude! More on the way!
Thank you for the video about the modern media's attack on strong men. As a man, I am glad you spoke the truth with your video and its inspiration to be a strong man and create strong male characters for my future creative projects as a creative.
Thank you for commenting & watching, I hope this video helps people & I’m glad people enjoyed it like yourself 🤘🏻🔥
Just stumbled upon your channel. Happy to say I'm a new subscriber now. I never had a brother, but I love my father, uncles, husband, nephews and childhood bros very much. I am grateful for them! I'm sorry for the hate that good men get, please know not all women hate all men.
Thank you! I’m glad you enjoyed the video 🤘🏻🔥
Appreciate all yuor points, dude.
I feel the same as you, it's unhealthy to push people down like this media people does nowadays.
I’m not about pushing down, but uplifting. Stand together, not apart
Demonizing young men will lead to lots of angry young men with nothing to lose and no guidance on how to compose themselves to fight this cultural battle.
This will lead to a lost generation which could lead to violence and actually move us backwards.
It’s regression on a societal & emotional level yes
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Plus, how many corrupt politicians and their allies are going to exploit this to push for their insane agendas?
If you think showing a female character as more powerful and capable then a male character is "demonizing young men", that's just you being paranoid and oversensitive
Wow it’s almost like parents and other role models should guide and nurture young boys into good men, not some movie, tv show, or video game. 😂 lol I’m so glad I have parents.
Your content has absolutely warranted a subscription... I really appreciate your take on the current state of the gaming industry, it's truly shocking how quickly society is becoming so misandristic with hardly any sign of easing up any time soon...
You know what the problem of being a strong man is today? It's that everyone tries to make you weak.
yeah I don't understand why they try to feminize us so mutch we don't wanna be emotional we don't wanna be physically weak we don't wanna talk about our problem everytime that's just how we are.
@@sole008 they don't understand what it is to be a man.
Just because we do not cry does not mean we do not feel pain, just because we don't talk about our problems doesn't mean we don't feel burdened by them and just because we have strength it doesnt mean we will harm others with it.
So what is it to be a man? It is not something that can be defined with words, it is what we are and we must answer that question by simply being ourselves.
@@oranguman9360 your words could belong to a book 📖 I am taking it bro. Thanks 👍 your are absolutely right
I'm a female and I agreed with everything you said thank you for sharing
Thank you for watching and understanding 🤘🏻
U have a point, (as female not against emotional or vulnerable men, I think there also important) about the whole “the only way the entertainment media thinks they make a strong female character is to surround herself with weak men or praise upon her” which is something what I’ve been thinking for quiet a while and it’s frustrating how they think in that way.
The female protagonists of movies and TV series today are mostly toxic and annoying.
Nowdays the misandry rules, specially in usa, is sad 😔
(Sorry for My English i'm latino) 😕
Yes, and that's not a good example. Strong female and strong male characters can coexist and work. What exactly does it gain us if a masculine female character is beating all the silly scripted male characters around her in a cool way? Also, such female characters don't feel powerful at all. They act as if strong male and female characters can't be together. I hate this.
strong men built the world, we will continue with the help of strong women
Great way to put it 🤘🏻🔥
I'm trying to write a story that has both strong male and female characters and I'm doubtful it will get any traction due to how the media is pushing their poor materials.
Go for it, ya kno be the change lol
Just do it! :) Don't let media hold you back
Keep at. Remember the fans.
All I gotta say is don't worry about the gender. Just work on your characters. Readers/audiences care more about the person's character rather than their gender.
Go for it
The destruction of Joel from The Last of Us is such a great recent example (and as a woman I was so angry with how the sequel treated him, particularly as bits of him reminded me of my late grandfather) the sequel doesn't exist to me. I watched and read the TLOU2 leaks and brought Ghost of Tsushima out of spite and loved it, I loved Jins character and his journey.
yeah i feel you in that one.
the last of woke 2 never existed ✊
@@KuariThunderclaw By your logic in the post apocalyptic world of The Last of Us, every character should just go on revenge quests after killing to survive.
@@KuariThunderclaw "Killing a bunch of people has consequences" that was your statement, how many people that Ellie killed deserve their revenge on her? Since you said Joel deserved the 'reality' of what he got.
@@GemGames3 Don't bother replying mate, dude throw the rock and now hides the hand.
Agreed wholeheartedly!
There are no words to describe how much your video means to me. I'm not in a great place in my life right now. Gaming and Dancing are my identity and even those worlds are being tainted by being told either directly or indirectly how toxic I am as a man. Your video gives me hope where I feel like I should just give up or become the monster they label me as. Thank you for your video and your message. I hope you have great success in your future!
That's why I really enjoy stories set in history and classic fantasy novels. The male characters in there are mostly strong and something to admire. The female characters, if done well, they're depicted as strong as well while still being feminine. You know, the realistic depiction of most women from history.
Take LOTR for example. You've got Aragorn, Boromir, Faramir, Sam, Frodo, etc. They are strong male characters that aren't perfect and go through hell together. The females in that story, like Eowyn, Arwen and Galadriel are strong in their own right and have satisfying character arcs. The world is medieval and their roles in those stories make sense. They're respected as feminine characters and not fake masculine ones, which we see in so many bad stories these days. I relate to Eowyn and Arwen despite being a man. Their struggles make sense in the world they inhabit. I consider LOTR timeless, and I do not consider recent entertainment timeless.
Great to see a video on this awful work days, thanks my bro
Enjoy!
Adam Jensen is one of my favorite protagonists. He’s a competent man of sheer determination and will (and a literal Übermensch after getting cybernetics), hates terrorism, but can be focused to a fault often rubbing people the wrong way. He also doesn’t hesitate to help the little guy and stand up to injustice (if you play him that way).
He never asked for this, and yet he did his best with what he got.
It is sad that now when I see a strong and/or competent man, I feel excited and elated. Its so uncommon now... I went back and watched an anime recently and it is so pleasant seeing truly good male characters
I'm glad you made this video, I needed this
I also want to add that you cant make strong women by making all the men around them useless and weak. That doesn’t make them strong, at best it makes them mediocre or sub par. If a hero is only as good as his strongest villains then a female protagonist should also be only as strong as the strongest men around her
Wonderfully said
pause.
if the argument is that "a hero is only as good as its strongest opponent"
then wouldn't framing the issue as "a female protagonist is only as good as the strong men around them" intrinsically link the "men around them" with the "strong antagonist?"
@@zacharybosley1935 no,it wouldn’t
@@fwwaller then your comparison just falls flat. The line between Protagonist and Antagonist is not the same as the one between Lead and Supporting Cast. Those comparisons aren't even parallel.
Why is it ok when strong men are surrounded by women who are useless and weak?
It's why I enjoy eastern media in general so much more than western, because (as far as the games I play), eastern games want to tell a story, not make a social statement.
I just don't understand why anyone would think that the only way to make yourself look better is by putting down and *oppressing* them, the exact stuff they accuse men off.
Agreed if I'm playing a game starring a woman it's most likely a Japanese game like Automata or Bayonetta .
Agree. When a character, male or female, is 'truly' strong - they don't need to push the other down. Many characters from LOTR trilogy like Aragorn or Éowyn are good examples.
It's amazing how there's so many people who unironically believe this
And I think the idea that you can't ever have a strong female character who's better then the male character is kind of stupid
@@User-jp1sj Only if your idea of "better" is "smugly looking down, mocking and attacking everyone who doesn't agree with me": that's not a strong character, that's an insecure, childish, self-absorbed asshole, regardless of gender or any other personal traits.
Bro I’m so glad you mentioned Tales of Arise. That game was so amazing. The story was truly engaging and I truly felt for the characters.
Everything about that game was amazing-besides the last 10% of its story, but yeah it’s awesome
@@EndymionTv Eh, I respectfully disagree. I’ve played and beaten Arise and while there were some good things about it, overall there were cons that I couldn’t overlook.
To me it felt like a discount Tales of Symphonia game which dealt with the same themes, but Symphonia did it better. Story wasn’t that good and lots of details needed explaining.
And not much content.
Game felt… too short and rushed through each region to leave an lasting impact and character relationships felt shoehorned and forced. I ended up despising Rinwell in the end and that was due to one skit about pillows.
The story and characters had potential, but everything was grandiose for the sake of it and combat felt the most neutered in the series. And I played a lot of Tales games.
Still I’m happy did find enjoyment with the game. I just wish it was better.
Whats ridiculous about it all to me is that you can even have a "strong" female and a "weak" male as the leads and still have them both be awesome, well liked characters. My example of this would be Nier Automata's 2B and 9S. 9S isn't exactly "weak", but in comparison to 2B, he is. However it isn't shown in a demeaning way. And it lends to this extremely badass female character, and a male character who still feels "real", without talking down to anyone.
It's heartening, and a positive sign, that this video is still online and receiving positive feedback - nevermind being created in the first place. Just 5 or 6 years ago, you'd have been attacked and canceled, only to have the video removed.
It's hard to see it sometimes, but we've come a long way on the road back to Reason. Not there yet, but definitely making progress.
I’m glad people have been mostly positive towards the video, some negative for sure but that’s okay. I plan to make more stuff like this...and I hope people keep a level headed mind while watching.
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I don't trust this society. Once an npc, always an npc. These are the same people that were lighting people on fire because they thought there was a witch infestation. They can try to change their colors, but they are always an npc to me.
Agree, there's been some good things to come out of some of these recent movements, but it's gone into the arena of over-correction and ignoring reality/logic/facts. Hollywood and media are slow to catching up with the fact people are over this wokeness era and media's need to pit groups of ppl against each other. Tired of the divisiveness everywhere, espescially in our politicians as well. Can't stand all of these stupid election commercials rn.
My mom raised me on an extreme version of this, being her only son of 3 children. She beat me every day for years, me alone. She told me constantly how men are terrible and women are amazing and can do no wrong. That looking at a woman and thinking she was pretty, even, was pure evil. My sister joined in on all this, beating me in turn, knowing that if I fought back I would be beat more by my mother because "you never hit a woman"
My farther was always gone, and now that I'm an adult, I'm depressed, and never had a role model to look up to and I just don't know what to even do with my life.
Cut them out of your life ASAP. The sooner you do, the sooner you can start healing. If there's any around, join a gym and build yourself up. Rise from the ashes of the old you!
What your Instagram me and you can talk about your problems
I'm sorry for what you suffered
FIGHT BACK. FIGHT BACK. FIGHT THEM BACK.
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Yes. Strong male leads are important. I'm raising three boys who need to know that men are not stupid and dumb as portrayed in media. I'm tired of seeing men as weak minded individuals that are only comic relief. I want my boys to know that they can be strong and funny. This world has so many things backward. As a mom I have to be tough, but I receive negative comments because I raise my children to be independent and strong. Thank you for sharing this video. Very helpful .
The idea of men being weak are one of the many reasons why I’m depressed….
this is one of the main reasons why i loved rrr so much...not only are the protagonists really (outlandishly) strong men, but they are also not afraid to be grounded and real when needed, like showing their emotions actually for a change and not just "shed a single tear at the darkest point of your life" kind of masculine
What does rrr stand for
@@analt2379 rise roar and revolt...its an indian movie released earlier this year....it is over the top and bonkers but i love it for that!
@@cutcookie4490 oh ok thanks
RRR actually shows what masculinity and femininity are according to classical Indian philosophy. The masculine is steadfast, blunt, overwhelming and powerful whereas the feminine is intricate, flowing, compassionate and graceful. The two protagonists combine both masculine and feminine qualities across their actions which make them so much likeable.
One thing that I find disappointing in modern western media and in western society in general is that men are encouraged to be emotional, but only when that emotion is love or sadness. A man isn't allowed to get justifiably angry at something or someone anymore. There's a pressure for stoic men to be more vocal about feelings that would make them vulnerable, but if they get angry with their wife, they are now evil. Men frequently share their more tender feelings -- but it's not always verbal. It could just be in an expression or an action. And anger is a natural human reaction that shouldn't be demonized. True, being destructive because of your anger is unhealthy, but anger in itself is not unhealthy. Just as holding back emotion is not unhealthy. A stoic man is not a toxic one.
As a female, I hate it how men are portrayed nowadays. It's like an inverse to the 'Nuclear Family' stereotype from the 50s, except with the housewife as a bigot, while the husband does all the dirty work from her. I grew up with cartoons like Ben 10, TMNT 2012, Avengers Earth's Mighiest Heroes and video games like Kingdom Hearts, Super Mario and during teenhood Devil May Cry. They all have male protagonists that are well-written! In entertainment, it doesn't mean you're "woke" for having a female protagonist, or having LGBTQ themes and ethnicity, it's the botched execution.
Ok, then give me one example of these "female" characters that have a biggoted opinion please.
As a man I get what you’re saying. I also believe not only do we need good male and female leads. We also need variety of strong leads men and women need to know there’s more then on way to be strong and impactful besides being physically strong and stoic, because not everyone is like that or has the desire to be. You can have characters be quirky, tomboyish, mental strong, empathic, introverted, not traditional attractive , but still be competent and confident and just fun to watch. You can still be powerful while still being an individual and using your gifts and interest in ways that benefit you the most. That’s just my thoughts though nothing wrong with more traditional characters. I just dont think we should limit our creativity to that only to inspire others both men and women.
100% agree and like!
I am trying to become a writer for my first story. I'm having three male leads and a female lead (it takes place over many years). Once that was done for the second book, I am hoping to make strong male and female leaders as they are twins not just to balance it out but also hope that some people could be their role model
Thank God I was a teenager in the 90s nothing gonna move my beliefs but what I'm even more thankful is that both my sons are very clear about the role of man! Not only that they totally hate this trend/ agenda and the funny thing is they both came to that conclusion on their own!
Thank you thank you so much dude, we need to spread the word that not all men are bad and were not trying to diminish strong women. Young boys need strong role models just as much as young girls do but we shouldn't put down or demonize the other to accomplish what we're all striving towards: Equality.
As a husband and father now 40, I am old enough that the young guys are more like sons. And God, they are listless.
I’m a master electrician, and my apprentices are young guys, 18, 20 years old. What they think a man should be is learned from media and school, because their own father was not in the home. They start out parroting this conception of being a man - they want to be aggressive, won’t own fuckups, overly emotional, shun responsibility. But it doesn’t take long for the dormant manhood in them to come out with a little persuasion.
I had one young guy last summer who was making up for his lack of confidence with the “I don’t give a fuck” attitude. He would slow walk into the job, meander around, not pay attention, etc. I knew what I had to do. When a task came up that was important (running a wire tugger) I said out loud that this other guy should do it, the apprentice doesn’t want to be anything more than a gopher, getting materials and whatnot. I knew it would piss the kid off, and it did, he started arguing that no one teaches him anything, etc. I asked him if he was in my place, would he put any time into him? He stormed off to the break area, but I knew I had him. He even left the job early. I didn’t call him or anything, just waited to see if he could find his balls that night or not. Sure enough, he showed up the next morning and started putting in effort. I didn’t say anything about him leaving for a couple months. When it came time for his first report, he thought I was going to shit on him, but nope. I told him the truth. He has the ability, he has the smarts. He just needed to put some ass into it, and he’ll be a great electrician.
These kids don’t have fatherly models. I’m not perfect, God knows. You don’t have to be. Young men today - just like throughout history - want to know when they bust their asses and take life’s punches on the chin that it is the right path for them. That it means something. That they are valuable and needed. Media used to supply this. When a super hero gets his ass kicked, or has to own up to his actions and words, even when it is far easier not to, that’s a life lesson. That is what men must do. That stubbornness and aggression every man has inside him is there for a reason, and a man must choose whether to turn it to good or evil. Modern media teaches these kids that their natural aggression and stubbornness is wrong, and that’s bullshit.
Man, I feel bad for non-Islamic people, not in a condescending way. Almost all of them don’t know what a man should be like. At least for us Muslim men, we have a clear role model who we should emulate, which is the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) - literally the greatest man who ever lived.
I know the saying you can’t teach an old dog new tricks (no offense, mister!), but I think you should read about him and learn from his wisdom. God knows all young men should.
Thank you for helping that kid.
When I grew up I had Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone, Harrison Ford, Robin Williams and later Jackie Chan.
What do these kids have now? TH-cam influencers. Beta males who “transitioned”. Modern media telling them that traditional male masculinity is wrong and it should be shunned.
No wonder so many kids today are messed up.
I worry about my baby brother. He’s 2 and he’s gonna grow up in this shit. I barely missed the downfall we’ve seen, and since I grew up away from my dad, a strong male role model was necessary for me. Without that, I’m not sure where I’d be.
While my baby brother has his dad with him, he’ll be growing up in the world we are seeing today. I hope it changes for the better before it affects him.
My friend shared this in our discord, and me being curious I clicked on it the fact you had to say to watch before commenting and to have a open mind really shows the world we live in. I didn't really think that hard about the media and how the fact most of it today does in fact make us men look bad and weak in order for the women to look strong. I really enjoyed this and you really have a sense of confidence when speaking which I think really pulled this all together. I agree most of the stuff I enjoyed was a mix of strong male role models like robocop, robocop is my batman begins, and also films that respected both the male and female characters equally. Thank you I now will definitely be pickier about what movie and game I give money to moving forward.
Good point,YES...and The female protagonists of movies and TV series today are mostly toxic and annoying.
Nowdays the misandry rules, specially in usa, is sad 😔💔
(Sorry for My English, i'm latino)
AMEN BROTHER.
As a man I always want to step up and “protect” especially woman and children. If that’s toxic…idk what hope is left for us.
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well it depends , if your protecting them from actual harm than that's good.
but if your trying to ""protect"" them from non dangerous stuff than it be toxic.
Had thoughts a couple of days ago, when someone showed the usual ‘boo, male fantasy’ rhetoric about RDR2, alongside Marston building his farmhouse for his wife…
What matters in my ‘fantasy’ is mattering. I want to matter to the people around me, and for my actions to matter, to have value, either in life or death.
Whether on the battlefields, or the home, my fantasy is to matter, and to have value to the people in my life. Everything else is window dressing.
What do you want to protect them against?
I greatly appreciate your voice speaking up and out for us
Im a woman,but I totally get ur point and totally agree! Besides I would go even further why all the "strong females" are just females mostly with traits that some would call toxic in a man, but in a woman she's just a strong female. We can have strong male and strong female characters,and because men and women are different and even the stories and situations the characteristics of those characters should be different!
Yeah, thats right, The female protagonists of movies and TV series today are mostly toxic and annoying.
Nowdays the misandry rules, specially in usa, is sad 😔
(Sorry for My English i'm latino)
True, I'm a girl and all modern "strong" women films try to make me feel bad and insecure about being physically weak and feminine. But screw them, I ain't buying into misandry to feel better about myself.
@I am Fighterman You are sick 😐
@I am Fighterman misoginy and mysandri are Bad, both are wrong.
@I am Fighterman Honestly, being horrible to equally horrible women isn't really the way to change the modern dating scene. Men sleeping around isn't really a pinnacle of chivalry and respect, and the same goes for women.
Nowadays with western media so heavily falling into downplaying or demonizing men there are a few bastions of hope. I know you mentioned The Terminal List which was a great show that I absolutely loved every minute of. Also two more shows that do this are Jack Reacher and Invincible. Invincible was an incredible show that also got me extremely emotional with a strong, human male lead as well as Jack Reacher, a great thriller and action show that had an amazingly crafted plot. Both shows of course, had a second (and in Invincible’s case third) season green lit shortly after release. I honestly can’t recommend these shows more they’re so amazing.
A lot of people in the comments have told me to watch Reacher, which I will at some point now. Invincible was fun as hell too. That train scene in the last episode was nucking futs 😂
Too bad he didn't realize that amber was a toxic pos that should have been given the boot.
Journalists were obsessed with trying to force people not to like Terminal List. They failed miserably. Great show. Amazon has been carrying the strong male leads lately. (lets ignore Rings of Power though, lol)
If you want a good old school example watch Paths of Glory (1957). It shows how a lawyer in the French army in WW1 is willing to stand up for what is right against his morally corrupt superiors and their selfish ambitions at the cost of innocent lives.
As a young boy myself, i'm used to being told that i'm pathetic and should change who i am, and i listen to them because i have nothing else to do
The God of War franchise is every feminists nightmare
Good
I think the issue with male vs female lead roles, is that it is very important for your lead character to have struggles, trials and tribulations. It’s easy to show a man’s flaws , but people think in order to be a strong female you can’t have any flaws. Therefore you don’t grow with the character you don’t learn to love them because you can’t relate.
Look at how people love the protagonist from Alien. We saw her her struggle to get through a situation and people love her for it. Now look at characters like she hulk or even the female Hawkeye. We saw the struggles of the male leads for those roles, but somehow she hulk and female Hawkeye are beating up triad members with no training? Stop the cap lol
the problem is bad writers. too much focus on agendas than narrative.
thisbisnwhy anime is destroying western media right now. there's stringnwomen who can be cute and now butch lesbians who hate men. and men can be string men but vulnerable.
vulnerable men btw are very appealing for girls. just look at why kpop is so popular. they're pretty but they are string asf.( aka muscles masculine)- even a lot of military cop themes.
Japan's own society has a lot ofnproblems which is why their art medium creates ideal humanity.
- we aren't just gender. and even if we are- girls can be sexy cute and still be string and love guys. same with guys can be string or cute and love girls (denji from chainsaw whole mission is to touch boobs- the female Makino is 100 onncontrol)...
She-hulk did have character flaws, the writers are just so bad though, they made her extremely unlikable and the overall show just terrible. I don't get how they allowed this project to be released or who it was supposed to appeal to. Even though Ms. Marvel didn't get great viewing numbers, it's a much better show and wish it got more attention than whatever she-hulk was supposed to be.
Yes, I hate this. The fact that the female leads are perfect creates a great pressure on the audience. Girl viewers feel inadequate. She has no development, no thoughts or goals. Just beating someone by acting masculine and being perfectly beautiful is not writing good female characters. No one can learn anything from such characters. It's also disgusting that They're crushes each other to make male and female characters shine. That's why men and women who know a job very well in the society cannot take place together. Because people compare and try to show power. In the future, boys and girls will be our children in this society. Let's act accordingly and treat the opposite gender accordingly.... Sorry for my english :)
Absolutely this my dude. It’s good to see someone else who feels the same that’s not from specifically labeled social circles. I hope this video gets the traction it deserves.