Nonononono! Not "Faith" kills brains, 'belief infections' eats holes in the brain and destroy all possibility of critical thought. Practicing critical thought kills any 'beliefs' attempting to take root! On the other hand, not practicing critical thought leaves one absolutely infested with beliefs!
@ It is directly antithetical to good thinking. Instead of relying on good reasoning and critical thought it goes the opposite way and accepts things as necessarily true out of hand and without confirmation and testing. It is automatically antipodal to sound reasoning where it’s a recognized fallacy(error of thought) to take something as automatically true that’s given only under authority and faith necessary accepts authority(of the church/clergy) over the truth value of each and any claim in itself. Even you accepting faith as “good” is purely under the authoritive say so of the church alone and even that you can’t question. 💁♂️
@Theosis1981Stop asking the same stupid question over and over again. Yes, every human with different beliefs than me are the evidence minds that are opposed to my beliefs. You aren't being smart, you aren't asking some awesome gotcha question, don't quit your day job.
Poor Tyler. He had all of these propositions lined up and ready to go, but got tripped up after the very first one. It was like watching a hurdler stumble on the starting blocks before ever reaching the first hurdle.
And what about the premise if god is real, it doesn't mean god created anything. How many Greek, Roman, and Hindu gods "exist" and how many of those gods had nothing to do with the creation of the earth in those faith traditions?
@Theosis1981 What "mind that is logically opposed to my political and social beliefs?" Unless you can explain this concept clearly in a way that makes logical sense, there is indeed no evidence for it. For a claim to be supported by evidence, it must, in the first instance, make logical sense.
@@amtlpaul When did you ever say "there is no evidence for a mind that is logically opposed to your political and social beliefs"? I must have missed it😏
"If God is real, then God is real." That's basically all Tyler is saying, and yes, that's pretty much a given. If a thing exists, then that thing exists, which is a meaningless statement unless you can provide some evidence that the thing exists.
History actually disproves any theistic claim, by definition magic is not real or at the very least the LEAST likely thing to happen, and the science of history depends on the MOST likely things to happen, by definition history disproves theism and theistic claims, but with history we also see the atrocities done by the religious idiology and that is a fact
I don't understand how people can't figure out: the Burden of Proof belongs to the person PROVING something!! As an atheist I'm not trying to prove anything so what am I burdened with?
@@xnoreq To say "There is no God" is a claim just as "There is a God" is a claim, both require proof. That's why I always tell theists that "I'm not saying there is no Creator, I'm just not convinced there is evidence to prove one exists"
I wonder if moral relativists didn't have a problem with religion back when 90% of the population believed it was moral. Don't they operate by consensus?
@@nameless-yd6ko So anarchism is better for determining morality, since people just create their own moralities then? That would be thinking for themselves after all.
@@theboombody So anarchism is better for determining morality, since people just create their own moralities then? ~~~ So, you are suggesting that one subjugate one's intellect to the majority? Last I saw, the 'majority' are almost always wrong! And it is a logical fallacy; ad-populum. Yet society, for pragmatic purposes, makes some things against the law. It remains with the individual to judge whether that is good or bad or vanilla, at the moment. Beeeesides, I detect a 'Xtian'. Doesn't the Bible state quite clearly "Judge not"? Is judgement not hateful and the sin of pride? You NEVER have sufficient knowledge to judge fairly. Only the Universe does that; Karma. That would be thinking for themselves after all. ~~~ Nah, a strawman fallacy isn't acceptable in these parts, padnah! ;)
Tyler was definitely the kid who, when role playing any sort of superhero/magic characters as a kid, would always select the sort of powers and abilities that would allow him to circumvent the rules. “Well my character has infinite everything! Unh-unnhh, my character is immune to your instant death ray! Etc”
Religious peop0le say this: "If god is real then YOU have to listen to me, believe what I say without question, give ME power over YOUR life and give me money! If god is real then "I", the believer, am in control of god and god does what I say and YOU have to do what god says and god says for you to give me poer over you and give me money."
APOS DK was attracted to an inmate with hair all curled And he persuaded him to raise the flag that aPot unfurled Offering another baseless assertion Apot went straight for insertion Yelling *"Sodom today! Gomorrah the World!"*
I think people who try to argue stuff into existence, are not believers *because* of that argument. You may try to *defend* your belief in that way, that's all. Nobody believes in any god because of an "argument", anybody who believes in god was indoctrinated into that belief OR he had some personal experience in life. Pardon me when I say "nobody", I'm sure there's some liar/preacher/conman that would claim otherwise.
Dead straight. If a person has been indoctrinated they have to come up with something when their conditioned beliefs are challenged. I’m sure we could map the theist stages of denial: ‘Faith / I just know’ is stage one, ‘Arguing over definitions’ is stage two, ‘Argumentation’ is stage three, ‘Presupposition’ is the final stage.
There's still SO MANY steps between "evidence that the universe was created," and "my interpretation of ancient stories and legends based on those ancient stories is the best way to have a relationship with those creative elements." If you can't prove the first step, how do you expect the rest of what follows to make any sense?
What kind of idiotic statement is that... "if god created everything he is real"... no shit, but that thought experiment doesn't prove a damn thing. If the rainbow giraffe created everything it would be real...
It's the same "logic" as in: If i i shit in your garden i must be real. And they don't even understand that this circular "logic" doesnt convinve anybody.
Notice that throughout this entire conversation there was a if hanging around if means hypothetical meaning that we are not in the realm of actual. So this whole situation is a hypothetical and not attached to something
As a side effect, this discussion is clear evidence that god does NOT exist. Any god who would hear so much bullshit being formulated in his name would have called into the show immediately, just to put an end to the misery.
APOS DK was attracted to an inmate with hair all curled And he persuaded him to raise the flag that aPot unfurled Offering another baseless assertion Apot went straight for insertion Yelling *"Sodom today! Gomorrah the World!"*
It’s incredible that callers don’t understand the concept of the show. We know you think the atheists are wrong, that’s not the question. The question is why do you think what you believe is true, and what evidence do you have for it. But the callers still somehow get tripped up and don’t understand
...and if Odin was the one who created the world, then Yahweh didn't, and if Ra created it, then Odin and Yahweh didn't. We can go on like this and are we will be no closer to an answer.
Exactly. Even if his argument succeeded then he presupposes that this god is the christian god without presenting anything in support. Well done, he's used word salad to demonstrate that a god responsible for creation exists. Now which god is it and how does anyone determine that to be true? I say the universe was created by Hugh, the Toad God of the Andes, and you've just proved god exists ergo, it was Hugh. Prove me wrong.
"That young girl," [Marvin] added unexpectedly, "is one of the least benightedly unintelligent organic life forms it has been my profound lack of pleasure not to be able to avoid meeting."
APOS DK was attracted to an inmate with hair all curled And he persuaded him to raise the flag that aPot unfurled Offering another baseless assertion Apot went straight for insertion Yelling *"Sodom today! Gomorrah the World!"*
“Does God exist？” - “If God exists then God exists！” - “Right, if flying unicorns exist then unicorns who fly exist. But they don't, so...” - “God create everything and because there is everything then God exists！” - “And if God didn't, God didn't. Still no closer to whether God exists.” - “But if the following nonsensical statements is True or False, then I have more nonsensical statements to plead until perhaps at some point one of them suggests that God may exist if, and only if, a particular nonsensical statement cannot be shown as evidence that God doesn't exist.” - “My dog exists and has much better philisophical arguements for God.”
What’s with all the theists who call in, and then when they can’t make their case, and they get asked really straightforward questions, they start chuckling to themselves? That’s really annoying IMO. Just smug douche behavior…
His first premise had 2 statements in it. It God is not real then He did not created all matter that exist. That shouldn't be a true/false. It is deliberately worded that way to trick
"If god NEVER existed" implies time which is a product of the universe itself, so the answer to the first statement is still TRUE (not that it matters just thought I'd nitpic)
Okay so, I just want to give a minor example here to kinda give Tyler a little bit of credit, even though it's from an entirely different belief system, the analogy can still apply. Take the creation myth of the Norse, how Odin and his siblings killed their father - Ymir - and used his corpse to build the Nine Realms, using his bones for the world's and his flesh for the people's and his blood for the life force that fills the different people's. Ymir is dead and gone, everything recognizable about him destroyed and reshaped. But Ymir still exists, because his body is our Realm, his body is our world, his body is our body, and his blood is our life. Ymir is dead, but Ymir still exists, just within all that lives. Perhaps that's the mentality Tyler was TRYING to go with, but the poor sap didn't have the vocabulary, or the literary sources to provide a proper explanation. Now, I know this is not at all how the Judeo-Christian belief system explains Yhwh's existence, as they claim he's always lived and is still living and always will live but is somehow dying at the same time, but sometimes you need somebody else's words to explain yourself/your Gods/your beliefs cause no singular people or language has all the words to describe all the feelings and thoughts that fill us. Maybe Christians should try this more? Actually, no, nevermind, don't let them have any actually effective ammo to explain or justify their demented beliefs.
@@DrinkWater713 more than likely they've been raised and taught to simply accept it's true rather than be taught any legitimate reasons to accept it as true. I say this, because this guy is what i sounded like back in middle school before my deconversion began. I believed because i was raised to, but when pressed about why i believed or to demonstrate my beliefs to be true, my responses came back much like his did, dancing around the questions, shifting the burden of proof, and using logical fallacies to attempt to defend my position.
Tyler; "If God is not real then God did not create all matter that exists". False, God could be real and could have rearranged existing matter and or energy to create a Universe. Now prove God is real.. Tyler; "If God created all matter that exists then God is real". False, God would not have to create all matter that exists but could rearrange existing matter and energy. Tyler still needs to prove God exists.. Tyler defining God; "God necessarily cannot cease existing". Tyler *still* needs to prove God exists.. Tyler; "Can we just assume for a second that this is an adequate definition for God". We should probably go ask God then if it's adequate for him. 🤣😂🤣 Tyler; "If all matter that exists is not physical evidence that God created all matter that exists then God did not create all matter that exists" False, again God could have existed in the singularity that expanded into the Universe that exists today. Tyler *still* needs to prove God exists. *ALL* the work is still ahead of you Tyler, get cracking.
@@Seticzech-cz There is no good definition for Consciousness, nor can there be. That leaves the implication that the Universality of Consciousness can well be called God. If you see evidence of Consciousness, then you also see (possible) evidence of 'God'. Cannot be defined because Consciousness is transcendental, non-dual, a Singularity. Just like 'God'.
@@nameless-yd6ko "There is no good definition for Consciousness, nor can there be." So what? I still can see it's outcome. 🙂 "Universality of Consciousness can well be called God" Your implication is wrong and pointless. Consciousness is consciousness, there is no reason to rename it to anything else. "Consciousness is transcendental" Any evidence supporting your claim? 😀Any evidence that transcendental is real thing?
“God cannot cease existing” For sure, definitely and without a doubt maybe “God is eternal according to the Bible so I CANNOT imagine a god ceasing to exist” You know.. I feel like our time is being wasted
A better question would be why would your god want to hide evidence that he created? How does that comport with you believe God wants people to know him? It doesn't
He got almost 17 minutes and didn't manage to construct a single coherent sentence.... I don't think he actually knows why he's a Christian in the first place.
That is a very good question😊 I am puzzled 🤨. Can God create a universe that will not provide any physical evidence that He / She ( God ) exists ? How can we know ? 😊
Also the second proposal part 2 or god created all matter that exists and there is not matter that is physical evidence that god created matter is the same as saying matter was not created and therefore is not evidenced for god
@Theosis1981The goal of every collectivist cult is to deny the existence of a collective universal hive mind that dictates what is True to all? I think you have it backwards, mate. You are the one promoting collectivism here!
ApotHead says it's not his fault That his trolling is under constant assault but he runs away from debate can't keep his bullshit straight So he'll just switch to a different alt.
What if god died and his death sparked the universe? What if we are all bacteria on the back of a giant turtle? What if the moon was your car, and Jupiter was your hairbrush?
Tyler probably thought he had a genius script before he called in😂
Bless his heart lol
For real 🤣
🎯
He probably couldn't read the crayon scrawl that's at a five-year old level.
My guess is they try it out on their own member of their church groups or whatever and then when they get positive feedback they think 'this is it'
Always loved this show, and it always gave me a near-stroke listening to the callers’ lack of basic logic. Faith kills brains.
Nonononono! Not "Faith" kills brains, 'belief infections' eats holes in the brain and destroy all possibility of critical thought. Practicing critical thought kills any 'beliefs' attempting to take root! On the other hand, not practicing critical thought leaves one absolutely infested with beliefs!
Exactly, religion poisons everything. Especially critical thinking
NO! It is not Faith but belief infections that eat holes in the brain!
What is it that leads you to think faith kills brains????
@
It is directly antithetical to good thinking.
Instead of relying on good reasoning and critical thought it goes the opposite way and accepts things as necessarily true out of hand and without confirmation and testing.
It is automatically antipodal to sound reasoning where it’s a recognized fallacy(error of thought) to take something as automatically true that’s given only under authority and faith necessary accepts authority(of the church/clergy) over the truth value of each and any claim in itself.
Even you accepting faith as “good” is purely under the authoritive say so of the church alone and even that you can’t question.
💁♂️
Word salad is not evidence for god.
@Theosis1981What does that question even mean?
What does that tell you about the thought processes of a theist to even go there?
@@Specialeffecks TBH, nothing new.
@Theosis1981Stop asking the same stupid question over and over again. Yes, every human with different beliefs than me are the evidence minds that are opposed to my beliefs. You aren't being smart, you aren't asking some awesome gotcha question, don't quit your day job.
@Theosis1981 "Is there evidence for a mind that is logically opposed to your political and social beliefs?"
almost certainly not
If elves from Mars invented Smurf village, and Smurfs are blue, does Gargamel still feed Azrael!?? Answer, Snorks! 😂
My answer was furgle burgle. Now we must go to war for several millennia.
Jesus- SNORKS!!! That just unlocked some deep childhood memories lol. F^ckin Snorks lol
@Theosis1981what does that mean?
If memory is at the head what the past is, can we access it at six? Yes, no, zbradaraldjan?
My answer is Juggle Mubs, it's clearly the correct answer.
Holy crap. Every single Christian I've ever heard explain their beliefs sounds completely insane to me. It's so sad.
i feel its because they get them as children, and even as adults when questioned on the subject they respond like children
Poor Tyler. He had all of these propositions lined up and ready to go, but got tripped up after the very first one. It was like watching a hurdler stumble on the starting blocks before ever reaching the first hurdle.
I liken it to a 4-year old trying to convince its parents that Santa Claus is real
If god didn't do it then god didn't do it and If god did it, then god did it.... uh, sure,doesn't get us anywhere, but sure.
And if god isn’t real it does nothing anyway.
The ontological argument is not a real argument. It's just a delusion wearing the clothing of one.
And what about the premise if god is real, it doesn't mean god created anything. How many Greek, Roman, and Hindu gods "exist" and how many of those gods had nothing to do with the creation of the earth in those faith traditions?
Some people don't seem to be understand the concept of other people being under no obligation to believe what they say just because they say it.
@Theosis1981 For example?
@Theosis1981 What "mind that is logically opposed to my political and social beliefs?" Unless you can explain this concept clearly in a way that makes logical sense, there is indeed no evidence for it. For a claim to be supported by evidence, it must, in the first instance, make logical sense.
@@amtlpaul When did you ever say "there is no evidence for a mind that is logically opposed to your political and social beliefs"?
I must have missed it😏
@@ookekklibarianbornagain6708 So did I
@@amtlpaul Sweet, I know my memory is getting tired, but I'm bloody sure I would recall you say that🍻
Using faith to propose the existence of an imaginary being never ends well.
If I feel like something exists, then, in my wanky brain, surely it exists. Uhhhh...
There was no step in his little flow chart for your answers.
DERAILED!!!🤣
He probably doesn't even know what a flow chart is.
@@xnoreqI like to think he accidentally created a flow chart, and Tyler unironically believes he invented something new.
To quote Bilbo Baggins "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve"
DO NOT TAKE ME FOR SOME CONJURER OF CHEAP TRICKS
"If God is real, then God is real."
That's basically all Tyler is saying, and yes, that's pretty much a given. If a thing exists, then that thing exists, which is a meaningless statement unless you can provide some evidence that the thing exists.
*laughs condescendingly ..but I’m not here to do that. Im just here to grill you with nonsense so I don’t have to question myself
Theist: "why do I have to show you evidence of my god?"
Also Theist: TRUST ME BRO!!
🤣🤣🤣
history
History actually disproves any theistic claim, by definition magic is not real or at the very least the LEAST likely thing to happen, and the science of history depends on the MOST likely things to happen, by definition history disproves theism and theistic claims, but with history we also see the atrocities done by the religious idiology and that is a fact
I don't understand how people can't figure out: the Burden of Proof belongs to the person PROVING something!! As an atheist I'm not trying to prove anything so what am I burdened with?
...but, but, but the atheist says "THERE IS NO GOD!" 🤣
@@xnoreq To say "There is no God" is a claim just as "There is a God" is a claim, both require proof.
That's why I always tell theists that "I'm not saying there is no Creator, I'm just not convinced there is evidence to prove one exists"
theists love circular arguments as a matter of self-deceiving their confirmation bias.
Same as atheists.
I wonder if moral relativists didn't have a problem with religion back when 90% of the population believed it was moral. Don't they operate by consensus?
@@theboombody No, some people can actually think for themselves! It's all 'relative', if you (can) think about it. ;)
@@nameless-yd6ko So anarchism is better for determining morality, since people just create their own moralities then? That would be thinking for themselves after all.
@@theboombody So anarchism is better for determining morality, since people just create their own moralities then?
~~~ So, you are suggesting that one subjugate one's intellect to the majority? Last I saw, the 'majority' are almost always wrong! And it is a logical fallacy; ad-populum.
Yet society, for pragmatic purposes, makes some things against the law. It remains with the individual to judge whether that is good or bad or vanilla, at the moment.
Beeeesides, I detect a 'Xtian'. Doesn't the Bible state quite clearly "Judge not"? Is judgement not hateful and the sin of pride? You NEVER have sufficient knowledge to judge fairly. Only the Universe does that; Karma.
That would be thinking for themselves after all.
~~~ Nah, a strawman fallacy isn't acceptable in these parts, padnah! ;)
Tyler was definitely the kid who, when role playing any sort of superhero/magic characters as a kid, would always select the sort of powers and abilities that would allow him to circumvent the rules.
“Well my character has infinite everything!
Unh-unnhh, my character is immune to your instant death ray!
Etc”
OMG yes 😆 Reminds me of the D&D episode of Community (Pierce) 😂
My minotaur necromancer in D&D lmao
I had to relisten to so many sentences in this one. Dis sound like absolute top tier gibberish. That was miiiildly annyoing and exhausting.
I am still waiting for the best evidence for a god. Will someone please call in with proof for a god, any god.
There has never been a religious argument that stands up to rational scrutiny.
Religious peop0le say this: "If god is real then YOU have to listen to me, believe what I say without question, give ME power over YOUR life and give me money! If god is real then "I", the believer, am in control of god and god does what I say and YOU have to do what god says and god says for you to give me poer over you and give me money."
APOS DK was attracted to an inmate with hair all curled
And he persuaded him to raise the flag that aPot unfurled
Offering another baseless assertion
Apot went straight for insertion
Yelling *"Sodom today! Gomorrah the World!"*
@Theosis1981has yet to explain what that accusation even means
@Theosis1981go back to school
I think people who try to argue stuff into existence, are not believers *because* of that argument.
You may try to *defend* your belief in that way, that's all.
Nobody believes in any god because of an "argument", anybody who believes in god was indoctrinated into that belief OR he had some personal experience in life.
Pardon me when I say "nobody", I'm sure there's some liar/preacher/conman that would claim otherwise.
Dead straight. If a person has been indoctrinated they have to come up with something when their conditioned beliefs are challenged. I’m sure we could map the theist stages of denial: ‘Faith / I just know’ is stage one, ‘Arguing over definitions’ is stage two, ‘Argumentation’ is stage three, ‘Presupposition’ is the final stage.
Hi Dave! Sending love x
"I'm not saying I have evidencr. I'm not saying I have no evidence."
Ok, so then share your evidence with us, caller.
Caller: No! Why should I?
FFS. 😏
Yeah the part of the exchange where Dave went: "You have no evidence ... say it."
Caller: "I'm not gonna say it."
made me laugh out loud.
There's still SO MANY steps between "evidence that the universe was created," and "my interpretation of ancient stories and legends based on those ancient stories is the best way to have a relationship with those creative elements." If you can't prove the first step, how do you expect the rest of what follows to make any sense?
Exactly! They think if you get to “something created everything” then automatically anything you want takes the place of that “something”.
Tyler should have run his script past someone intelligent before calling the show.
Maybe his ten year old neighbor boy.
I wonder why he didn't ask his god what to say.
Yeah he could have asked chatgpt first lol
$20 days he doesn’t know anyone that meets that requirement.
He shouted it at the pigeons in the park and they seemed to like it 🤷♂️
Is this guy just trying to create sentences that have so many what ifs and whatnot that nobody can follow him? Like Deepak Chopra on crack.
What kind of idiotic statement is that... "if god created everything he is real"... no shit, but that thought experiment doesn't prove a damn thing. If the rainbow giraffe created everything it would be real...
It's the same "logic" as in: If i i shit in your garden i must be real.
And they don't even understand that this circular "logic" doesnt convinve anybody.
When Tyler clears his throat it is unnerving.
Is Dave still with us? I miss him so much 😢
We'd have heard. But he's probably not well. Breaks me up.
I really like Dave, one of the best
@@antwetteroth He's doing the last part not out loud.
Notice that throughout this entire conversation there was a if hanging around if means hypothetical meaning that we are not in the realm of actual. So this whole situation is a hypothetical and not attached to something
As a side effect, this discussion is clear evidence that god does NOT exist. Any god who would hear so much bullshit being formulated in his name would have called into the show immediately, just to put an end to the misery.
Hypothetically, an omnipotent and omniscient being should have infinite tolerance to a finite amount of bull. Hence the divine hidden-ness, perhaps.
@Theosis1981 We call that phobia indoctrination and vindictive blind faith, which is obvious, not difficult to see.
APOS DK was attracted to an inmate with hair all curled
And he persuaded him to raise the flag that aPot unfurled
Offering another baseless assertion
Apot went straight for insertion
Yelling *"Sodom today! Gomorrah the World!"*
This guy makes a door nail look like a genius
30 Seconds in and I smell a presupp. Let's see if I'm right.
Or perhaps you trod in some dog dirt?
Sounds like Tyler hasn't been challenged before.
5:00 and Tyler's brilliant word trap is already derailed.
A simple yes or no question? The answer is probably no. Else, it's yes.
It's quite easy to debunk a theist, the problem arises when they refuse to LISTEN!
There has never been a religious argument that stands up to rational scrutiny.
Anything that has evidence of its existence will never need to be defined into existence.
definition/perception is existence.
All they’ve got is wordplay … and they’re not even good at it.
Everything that exists is defined.
What exists is perceived, what is perceived, exists.
@@nameless-yd6ko Talk about missing the point 🤣
@@twowardrobeswardrobes1536 How helpful your comment is. 0/10
It’s incredible that callers don’t understand the concept of the show. We know you think the atheists are wrong, that’s not the question. The question is why do you think what you believe is true, and what evidence do you have for it. But the callers still somehow get tripped up and don’t understand
Presups are just like sovereign citizens.
😂😂😂
I wonder if he is related to that guy who called in a few years ago claiming that he had a “flawless syllogism?”
Nope that's Billy, who is his own can of crazy
its always amazing the hubris of callers who make claims of knowledge they could have zero chance or ability to know about like god.
This guy tried to come with a "Gotcha"... and forgot to bring the "Gotcha"
Dave has a nice smile and he is good looking
His god is the hide and seek champion of the universe.
15:25 BECAUSE *YOU* CALLED IN 🤨🤣
This is why children shouldn't skip science classes or they will end up like this caller.
Dude started out saying that he's gonna be quick
...and if Odin was the one who created the world, then Yahweh didn't, and if Ra created it, then Odin and Yahweh didn't. We can go on like this and are we will be no closer to an answer.
Exactly. Even if his argument succeeded then he presupposes that this god is the christian god without presenting anything in support.
Well done, he's used word salad to demonstrate that a god responsible for creation exists. Now which god is it and how does anyone determine that to be true? I say the universe was created by Hugh, the Toad God of the Andes, and you've just proved god exists ergo, it was Hugh. Prove me wrong.
He's so convinced God is real, but can't even answer simple questions or provide any evidence.
This caller wasn’t so bad. I prefer him to most of the other theists that call.
I love how these callers use logic like words but obviously have no capability to comprehend logic. They are good at running in circles.
The caller flops like an unwanted catfish ... that threw itself into a bass boat.
2.26 "If god was never real.....er what was that you said again?"
Not an A game.
Which god, man has invented many.
"That young girl," [Marvin] added unexpectedly, "is one of the least benightedly unintelligent organic life forms it has been my profound lack of pleasure not to be able to avoid meeting."
Why do I have to give you evidence lol
@Theosis1981 I’m an atheist I was laughing at the caller.
@Theosis1981 ok nazi
APOS DK was attracted to an inmate with hair all curled
And he persuaded him to raise the flag that aPot unfurled
Offering another baseless assertion
Apot went straight for insertion
Yelling *"Sodom today! Gomorrah the World!"*
An all powerful omnipresent being would be able to create something that isn’t at that same time. It could create something in the future or past.
Why are the people who call in so arrogant, especially when they express so little intelligence on subject
I imagine alot is the Dunning Kruger effect. The bane of scientists everywhere.
“Does God exist？” - “If God exists then God exists！” - “Right, if flying unicorns exist then unicorns who fly exist. But they don't, so...” - “God create everything and because there is everything then God exists！” - “And if God didn't, God didn't. Still no closer to whether God exists.” - “But if the following nonsensical statements is True or False, then I have more nonsensical statements to plead until perhaps at some point one of them suggests that God may exist if, and only if, a particular nonsensical statement cannot be shown as evidence that God doesn't exist.” - “My dog exists and has much better philisophical arguements for God.”
Tyler tried this on a fb dbate pages and was shredded like cabbage
"Philosophically, I am an advocate of reason."
-Ayn Rand-
You broke his brain.
Religion broke his brain
God never calls in.
…only people with imaginary friends do.
Now that you say that, I wonder has anyone ever called in claiming to be god? Lol
He’s probably been working on this for months and can’t get past the first question 😂😂
14:30 "What's the answer to life, the universe and everything?"
Well the answer is clearly 42 :)
It's much needle for a god to go harder for a kingdom than it is to enter a person through a camels eye. Never forget that.
What’s with all the theists who call in, and then when they can’t make their case, and they get asked really straightforward questions, they start chuckling to themselves?
That’s really annoying IMO. Just smug douche behavior…
42 angels on a pin head.
42 sides on a tetracontadigon.
The only number retired at Collingwood.
Square root of 42 squared.
Why is it always 42?
6+6x6=42
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@@canderson5098Or if you’re Douglas Adams 6 x 9 = 42
@@jimyoung6271 Because 42 has long been known to be the answer to life, the universe and everything.
If you don't believe me, Google it.
Never eat the peanuts from the bowl of a toothless old woman.
And watch where the huskies go, don't eat the yellow snow.
If I can not show you that god exists, then that is proof that god does exists.
His first premise had 2 statements in it. It God is not real then He did not created all matter that exist.
That shouldn't be a true/false. It is deliberately worded that way to trick
"If god NEVER existed" implies time which is a product of the universe itself, so the answer to the first statement is still TRUE (not that it matters just thought I'd nitpic)
Okay so, I just want to give a minor example here to kinda give Tyler a little bit of credit, even though it's from an entirely different belief system, the analogy can still apply. Take the creation myth of the Norse, how Odin and his siblings killed their father - Ymir - and used his corpse to build the Nine Realms, using his bones for the world's and his flesh for the people's and his blood for the life force that fills the different people's. Ymir is dead and gone, everything recognizable about him destroyed and reshaped. But Ymir still exists, because his body is our Realm, his body is our world, his body is our body, and his blood is our life. Ymir is dead, but Ymir still exists, just within all that lives. Perhaps that's the mentality Tyler was TRYING to go with, but the poor sap didn't have the vocabulary, or the literary sources to provide a proper explanation. Now, I know this is not at all how the Judeo-Christian belief system explains Yhwh's existence, as they claim he's always lived and is still living and always will live but is somehow dying at the same time, but sometimes you need somebody else's words to explain yourself/your Gods/your beliefs cause no singular people or language has all the words to describe all the feelings and thoughts that fill us. Maybe Christians should try this more? Actually, no, nevermind, don't let them have any actually effective ammo to explain or justify their demented beliefs.
Who cares if there is a creator? we still don’t have souls , prayers are useless, miracles never happen and faith will get you conned ✌🏽
Listening to the word CONTRAPOSITION fall out of the mouth of someone who so clearly requires assistance when feeding himself, is really .....curious
i, i can't answer your yes or no questions 😭
I shouldn't have listened to this while having a headache. Tyler needs to learn how to apply actual logic to arguments.
Why do you even presuppose that the matter was created?
Oh Tayler. Oh dear
this is just a really really dumbed down version of Darths shtick.
complete with the dancing around of having to demonstrate his own position to be true.
They just want to confuse themselves into believing
@@DrinkWater713 more than likely they've been raised and taught to simply accept it's true rather than be taught any legitimate reasons to accept it as true. I say this, because this guy is what i sounded like back in middle school before my deconversion began. I believed because i was raised to, but when pressed about why i believed or to demonstrate my beliefs to be true, my responses came back much like his did, dancing around the questions, shifting the burden of proof, and using logical fallacies to attempt to defend my position.
Tyler; "If God is not real then God did not create all matter that exists".
False, God could be real and could have rearranged existing matter and or energy to create a Universe. Now prove God is real..
Tyler; "If God created all matter that exists then God is real".
False, God would not have to create all matter that exists but could rearrange existing matter and energy. Tyler still needs to prove God exists..
Tyler defining God; "God necessarily cannot cease existing". Tyler *still* needs to prove God exists..
Tyler; "Can we just assume for a second that this is an adequate definition for God". We should probably go ask God then if it's adequate for him. 🤣😂🤣
Tyler; "If all matter that exists is not physical evidence that God created all matter that exists then God did not create all matter that exists"
False, again God could have existed in the singularity that expanded into the Universe that exists today. Tyler *still* needs to prove God exists.
*ALL* the work is still ahead of you Tyler, get cracking.
No fair!! You won't voluntarily walk into my trap!!!
God has the same level of "evidence" as vampires, werewolves, wizards and fire breathing dragons... people make *claims* but none can *prove* anything
Depends on definition!
Some see God as Consciousness, do you dispute Consciousness? Do you see evidence of Consciousness?
@@nameless-yd6ko "Some see God as Consciousness" Why to rename consciousness?
"Do you see evidence of consciousness?" Yes.
@@Seticzech-cz There is no good definition for Consciousness, nor can there be. That leaves the implication that the Universality of Consciousness can well be called God.
If you see evidence of Consciousness, then you also see (possible) evidence of 'God'.
Cannot be defined because Consciousness is transcendental, non-dual, a Singularity. Just like 'God'.
@@nameless-yd6ko "There is no good definition for Consciousness, nor can there be." So what? I still can see it's outcome. 🙂
"Universality of Consciousness can well be called God" Your implication is wrong and pointless. Consciousness is consciousness, there is no reason to rename it to anything else.
"Consciousness is transcendental" Any evidence supporting your claim? 😀Any evidence that transcendental is real thing?
Some don't.@@nameless-yd6ko
God's life span is 3 9:14 Trillion years. How does God know he has only 1 trillion years left before he disintegrates?
This guy seems way too honest to work his pre suppositional wander down the garden path to a huge compost heap.
“God cannot cease existing”
For sure, definitely and without a doubt maybe
“God is eternal according to the Bible so I CANNOT imagine a god ceasing to exist”
You know.. I feel like our time is being wasted
Stumble in his words, then plays time ...............
I don’t know about god but can someone explain how Kyle Reese can be John Connor’s dad I fill like the proof of god and John Conner are linked
A better question would be why would your god want to hide evidence that he created? How does that comport with you believe God wants people to know him? It doesn't
"If God exists... then God exists"
I've been told that God is timeless, so he didn't do shit.
Tyler blah blah blah blah... THUMBS UP, PLEASE
Just let him ask his dumb questions without interrupting
He got almost 17 minutes and didn't manage to construct a single coherent sentence....
I don't think he actually knows why he's a Christian in the first place.
That is a very good question😊
I am puzzled 🤨.
Can God create a universe that will not provide any physical evidence that He / She ( God ) exists ?
How can we know ? 😊
Also the second proposal part 2 or god created all matter that exists and there is not matter that is physical evidence that god created matter is the same as saying matter was not created and therefore is not evidenced for god
@Theosis1981The goal of every collectivist cult is to deny the existence of a collective universal hive mind that dictates what is True to all? I think you have it backwards, mate. You are the one promoting collectivism here!
ApotHead says it's not his fault
That his trolling is under constant assault
but he runs away from debate
can't keep his bullshit straight
So he'll just switch to a different alt.
its a big argument from ignorance
Very funny!
So many theists make the god proposition far too nuanced. It really does boil down to "what do you believe and why?"
WTAF is this guy babbling on about
What if god died and his death sparked the universe? What if we are all bacteria on the back of a giant turtle? What if the moon was your car, and Jupiter was your hairbrush?