The Moment Jordan Peterson Changed My Mind
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ต.ค. 2024
- I had a conversation with Jordan Peterson, world-renowned clinical psychologist, professor, and best-selling author. Here is a clip from our 1 hour conversation about identity politics & how complex it is to discuss. Jordan breaks down the biological struggle as an arms race between parasites and hosts...do you agree? #jordanpeterson #identity #politics
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It is heartening to see two highly intelligent men, whose political opinions undoubtedly vary widely, sit down and have such an in depth and challenging discussion in a constructive manner. We need more discourse like this in our society.
My favorite vegan & my favorite carnivore figuring it all out #together #beautiful #strongertogether
Well off men can get along over a cup of coffee💊
Yes, very much needed and appreciated. Amen...Amen...Awomen! Just in case some brilliant women want to join in these types of conversations, as well. 🥰 🌎🕊️
@@baileygregg6567 indeed...the privilege of success affords them civility. And most of them are more interested in maintaining the status quo that rewards them.
@baileygregg6567 I dunno. I believe broke & even broken men can prosper together. I don't think resources are the problem. #seektruth #carnivorewisdom
Among the aspects which make their exchanges special is watching 2 people truly listening to one another. What a gift.
Are they though?
He listens so deeply
That seems to be our biggest problem, actual listening erodes more every year. Everyone loves to talk, but true listening is becoming a lost art.
Yes - Jordan Peterson is referring to a recent study . It would be expected that social media would lead to a rise in common groups ( "tribalism " for lack of better terms ) . However , the study found that social media is not representative of the general public . Rather , the study found that the 3% of the population , who are on the ASPD spectrum , are predators , and are constantly looking for immediate gratification . So they are having a dominating and negative effect on social media .
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One is listening to the other.
The other is nearly incomprehensible.
30 seconds of listening to Russel Brand - who is
as opaque as anyone can be - elicits the flight reflex in me.
my brain worked so hard to keep up with this conversation... and i'm better for it
It's only when we push outside our comfort zones that personal growth occurs.
I agree that this was mind expanding, and may take me some time to thoroughly digest.
@@ottomcannick7698 Imagine how much better we'd be if we were a part of this on an everyday basis. My brain rots.
@@grassfireu don't let that happen, it's hard to fix it.
Such intelligence and abilities are rare in today's media. I'm right there with you. I have to listen several times to get everything from just one sentence, never mind the entire answer.
Truth! Trying to follow and decipher their thoughts is such an excellent brain exercise for me! I love it...AND I often have to pause and look up words to follow along, so my vocabulary is expanding as well 😊
I love the mutual respect that permeates through this engagement between Russell and Jordan. Two intellectuals focused on exploring matters in rational debate rather than ego-driven point scoring. Just the type of debate we need more of.
Really what did we gain from this?
Russell's persona disarms the radicals on both sides. You don't assign stereotypes to RB, he'll destroy your preconceived notions at every turn...its why he's the most relevant public intellectual on YT.
The rise of the Cult CREATED this refusal to debate. I earned a Master's in Urban & Regional Planning 30 years ago as the only conservate - I was considered a superstar by every single Professor & classmate. They recognized that my points were valid, critically important, and had to be addressed - they just would never think of them themselves!
Can anyone summarise what Jordan Peterson said in this?
@vladimirspoutine1264 I will ask again. What did we learn? A few big words here snd there.
This conversation makes me realize just how lazy we’ve become in our speech. I need my dictionary close by, could definitely use a slower audio version to keep up and am so grateful for the pause button. Thank you both for stretching my awareness. (I am almost embarrassed to post such a simple response in light of their genius, but here I am!)
It's helpful to turn down the playback speed in the settings. Don't be embarrassed. I think it's really very smart to realize something like that. True of most people, probably, if we're all honest with ourselves. It's good to build vocabulary, as well, and I don't think you should ever stop. Jordan is always good for that : )
Your humility and eagerness to learn are worth far more than any amount of intellect. You are clearly intelligent and you've inspired me with your honesty. Thank you!
@@beer9638Well said. The ability to understand, that information is going over your head and to subsequently adapt to absorb that information through deliberate effort is the key. Keep up the great work, we will get through this!
Ha, Russell was properly on one here eah! 😂 It must be quite pressuring trying to sound clever enough to have a conversation with JBP. 😅
Don't feel bad, I'm not stupid and couldn't make alot of it out at speed. 😂 we all have our talents and I definitely needed a slightly slower version or pause.
"The online communications systems facilitate the parasites".
NAILED IT. TOTALLY NAILED IT.
So if this is correct who are these people. According to peterson it is big enough to take everything down so they can't be that obscure.
@@tonyclifton2230Ordinary easy to manipulate prone to emotional outburst trolls that influence the culture in a negative and toxic way through influences that have been funded by people like George Soros and Bill Gates. That's the street level. Then you have the high influence people in news and media that influence the culture in that same toxic negative way pushing towards modes of being that are self defeating and destructive for the individual and the larger population. All of this made easy to push through social media. Theirs layers to dig into here it just takes time and being that it's such a complex issue gets very convoluted.
@@tonyclifton2230 It allows more and more people to flirt with their inherent parasitical nature without repercussion. “who are these people…” It’s becoming everyone, and look around, it’s not at all obscure.
Our economic system is in the same situation. Just look at 2008.
@@MC-24 what are you talking about. Everyone. Where are you seeing this or are you being told it is happening.
When did Russell Brand become a Journalist? This is leagues ahead of all the other so-called interviews Jordan Peterson has given, because he is asked intelligent questions, allowed to answer, and then asked new questions based on what was said. Russell Brand is simply incredible here and I'm a fan all over again.
Yeah, he's still a bit full of himself and leaning hard on the mystical, but that's just ol' Russell and isn't the worst thing you can be. You have to respect him just for being sincere and open in the current climate.
Props to the closest we have to Rasputin. He's a madman, but society needs madmen for perspective on what's insane but not evil.
Where have you been for the last 15 years!
So you're saying Russel Brand is no longer a celebrity since he's now a journalist? ~Cathy Newman probably
@@speakstheobvious5769 He's definitely still a celeb, trying his hand at journalism. I think he's doing fine
@@alexkaen1701 I'm aware. I guess you didn't see the video of the Cathy and Jordon interview?
Jordan’s face as he tries to decipher Russel’s monologues 🤣🤣👂👂👂👂🫠I love both of these humans❤️
I hate Russel's monologues. They are incoherent mess, often with wrong conclusions and simplistic analysis. Jordan Peterson however is knowledgeable, but a bit too deep into culture war bubble. That became apparent when he started apply these ideas to Russian war in Ukraine. He is smart when it is about psychology, but geopolitics not so much.
@@alpha0xide9 Oh such a butthurt fan. Perhaps I watched it because of Jordan Peterson. Did that cross your mind? You want flaw in Brands analysis? How about he equates everything to conspiracies, like why is Ukraine fighting Russians? Could it be, they are fighting for their land? No it must be because of America needs make money. 😂
@@mdjey2 Well... if you understand people you know what goes on, on the ground, which is more important, morally speaking and shows what goes on on a larger scale. It's difficult anyway because we're being lied to about how the system works. It's not like politics keep the morals of citizens in mind. They primarily support industry these days, industry pays politicians and if they don't, they hit em with climate sanctions or public outrage trough the media like they do with all their opponents including Peterson. It's become a dirty business, always was, but now even more so. It's also how fascism started in germany (1935). So in the end he's right.
@@timspiker I don't see how that changes what Ukraine wants. You may not understand how geopolitics work. You are just a tiny cell in geographical location. Geography will determine how you think. Your free will is illusion. You only have limited options. To get my point there are two people I can guide to. First is Sabine Hossenfelder and specifically her video "I don't believe in free will." Second is Shirvan from CaspianReport. He has great series of Mindsets of Countries.
@@mdjey2 What the citizens of Ukraine want and what their leaders want are 2 very different things. The difference is the choices of a few will affect the lives of thousands. Personally I don't think anyone wants war, only the rich so they can get richer.
I watch Jordan Peterson a lot and most of the time he speaks frustrated to people asking suppressive questions. Its a joy to have him speek to a person of a equal understanding and see his happiness with the conversation.
I went to see him live in Saskatoon, SK, Canada. It was incredible. Unfortunately, there was so much information and no pause button to let me digest. It's very hard to keep up the same pace as the minds that work like his.
When these two minds come together, its like brain candy. You both have such eloquent articulation and depth.
Brain candy. Yes.
Intellectual cheesecake.
Long way around the barn fellas …
p t barnum also spoke eloquently...
@@maguffintop2596Yep. These conversations require a degree of concentration on our part that we,re not used to exercising. But worth every bit of effort we have to put in,!
It's such a treat to see 2 intelligent people talking who are both willing to listen and actually change their minds.
The point of dialogue. Literally _through word_
@matthewkuhl79 is it through word or against word? I mean, either way the point stands, but there might be some subtle difference to parse.
These people are trying to change *your* mind...... they're actors
Anyone who has worked in retail has had a taste of Jordan’s first point. If you lived in a small town and decided to act a fool (or a Karen) in a public place, the whole town would find out and treat you accordingly. But nowadays you can drive out of town to a store or restaurant, be a vile Karen, and then drive all the way back home, never having to face the community you were cruel to.
Internet culture is a more pernicious and parallel example of this.
Also pernicious is the singling out of "Karens" - men and women of all ages and without the hormonal fluctuations of menopause also behave badly from time to time.
Not to be rude, but did you growup before the highway act?
The lack of being challenged and therefore held accountable for the information you spew into the world. Before the internet you had to do it face to face and deal with the challenge. Today there is none of that. Loss of respect for that information and the influence has made developed countries turn into wastelands.
@@MommaARA It's a trade-off. Being able to speak anonymously enables people to say horrible things to others and to spread false information with impunity. On the other hand, not being able to speak anonymously enables people in power, such as our employers or the State, to control public discourse. Once that is established, we have no information input other than what the State sanctions. And since people in power tend to drift into corruption, we end up with the dis/misinformation police being the source of dis/misinformation that suits their desired goals, typically self-enrichment at the expense of others. In addition, anonymous people tend to say what they really think. Would you rather know and engage with what someone really thinks or what they think will somehow benefit them, e.g. virtue signaling?
However, anonymous scribblers, such as myself, have very little influence. Anyone who seeks to have a real impact on public discourse must expose their identity. I admire the courage of those who dare to speak out in spite of the consequences they too often suffer for it. I'm not sure what you meant by "held accountable", but it is ominous. Who should have the power to hold speakers accountable? Experts? How do we know the experts are infallible and immune to coercion? Isn't it possible that people who are not recognized experts can still speak truthfully and accurately on any given subject?
Given that nobody is infallible, everyone is subject to coercive pressure from various sources (e.g. a scientist who denies the severity of the climate crisis will have their career destroyed) and that we are all better off when we live by the truth, we need to have access to all information relevant to any significant issue. It's not always easy to decide which side of an argument is correct, but my rule of thumb as a starting point is that anyone who feels it is necessary to silence opposing views actually knows their argument is weak or even a total lie. They are not interested in the truth, only advancing their own agenda. So they are not to be trusted as sources of information. That eliminates a depressingly large portion of the population these days.
The solution to misinformation is not suppression of speech, it is more freedom of speech. Let all ideas stand or fall in the forge of robust public debate. In Jordan's own words, "Freedom of speech is not a right. It's a necessity. It's the precondition for all other freedoms."
idk, the social media seems to be able to bring Karen behavior back to her home.
It's incredible how fast Russell can process and communicate complex ideas
I was thinking the same thing. Had to listen to it more than once to completely follow what he was saying and was all the while impressed with his capacity to use the language so well to communicate those concepts. It's part of the reason I like to tune into his channel.
Right!? The first times I heard him discuss in these types of topics I thought he was just trying to sound profound but what he says actually makes sense. it´s just that its hard to actually follow his ideas at the pace he is communicating them.
He is great. But sometimes too intelligent for the average person. Important stuff never the less.
Good I'm not the only one. 😂
@@RBmusic2000that's the issue I'm finding and I am fairly intelligent, I just don't have the understanding of a lot of his vocabulary to keep up.
Russel: “I know that’s not a question but I also know you’ll have things to say.” 😂
Love that take.
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That stuck out to me as well
Russel: ask long questions
Peterson: answer long answers
What a duo
😂😂😂 so true it’s fascinating though.. makes u feel more intelligent when you can follow along with what they’re saying.. lol 😂
@@jen_wren_x the questions & answers could have been expressed much more succinctly. brevity is the soul of wit
Ever heard the story about the guy apologizing for the length of his written letter? "Sorry it is so long for I hadn't the time to make it shorter."
@@AnathemaMysticalcelyeah, Mark Twain. Great quote
@@XPureXProductionsX thank you!
Look and listen. They actually talk to one another and listen to one another. They don't interrupt one another. They respect one another. What a great informative conversation!
Watching people patiently wait for Russell to actually finish a question is hilarious.
I wonder how they manage to stay on point after he's finished ..like "what was the question again?.." He is on fire though...
So true. It's exhausting how verbose he is 😂
That last question was a journey. I would like to go on the show and give one word answers.
Also hilarious that Russel ends with, "I know that's not a question, but I also know you'll have things to say" hahaha
Watching people patiently wait for JP to answer a question is hilarious.
I like watching these two gentlemen. The mutual respect for each other is great. Their vocabulary is an education in itself.
It reminds me of when I first saw the scene where Neo meets the Architect.
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I love how the professor can manage to both listen and pre-load his responses in his mind. I'm not sure I could do that without taking notes.
i know right. Its hard enough to follow the question let alone formulate a response
You two are made for this. Thank you for existing together at this time.
The profoundly active mind meeting the profoundly purposeful mind... this is an intellectual spectacle and I'm grateful for it.
Perfectly said!
@@kimberlygenaw1502VEINY KOCK glistening in the moonlight. Beads of sweat drip down the shaft. 12" Diameter by 1" long Asian WEENER exposed to a frightened group of school children inside a bus. Volleyball sized BALLSAK with wings flying through the air
That was Beautiful!
Don’t you feel so lucky to have the curiosity and cognitive ability to listen in with awe and wonder? It makes me smile. I’m so grateful to see these conversations as precious displays of human excellence 🎉
@@maureenclement2553 Agreed. Our ability to receive and appreciate this stuff is the necessary complement to the ability displayed by these guys. Grateful for both, miraculous.
No one listens harder than jordan peterson listening to russel brand
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When my pea sized brain listens to Russel Brand or Jordan Peterson, I need to focus and concentrate so hard that it is almost as if every muscle, neuron, and cell in my body is constricted and straining just to keep up. Russel's questions are sooooooooo LONG and complex and rapid. I am surprised Peterson isn't taking notes.
After Russell poses his question, I always want to say, "I'm sorry, can you please repeat that?" 😂🤯
If you look closely you can see the steam coming out of his ears . From his brain on overload.
@Caledoniarose can you please repeat that, using only half the words please 😂
I’ve never felt so intellectually stimulated by a 17 minute video in my life. For so many reasons. From the manner in which they expressed their opinions or statements that forced you to listen to comprehend what was being said, to the way you can tell they are genuinely LISTENING TO HEAR to each other, rather than only listening to respond. Actually inspiring. Bravo to you both.
Try the debate between Peterson and Sam Harris. It's a 3-part debate and it's amazing.
I would recommend watching JBP's interview with Michael Malice as well. Same thing - incredible convesation, because both people are engaged in an actual discussion and trying to communicated and understand each other.
The KEY, as you very well put it, is that they listen to HEAR/UNDERSTAND, and not to RESPOND.
Jeez. That is sad.
@@colinjames2469 your right. It is sad. But I think that’s more a testament to the way society it is today, than it is anything else. People don’t speak like this anymore. And when they do, it’s to try and speak over you, not to speak to you.
Wow l love you both.
I couldn't help but notice, JBP closes his eyes when Russell asks a question, as if to block out all other stimuli, and full absorb every word.
Amazing
Typical RB channel comment. All praise for Brand, absolutely no addressing of the actual subjects being discussed. Few things in life are more predictable.
I love watching Jordan think through Russell's questions so deeply.
"When fuelled by the ego, you cannot confront the dragon sufficiently" - so well articulated Russell!
I wish someone gave a class on just this statement alone
@bperez8656 You may get your wish. Both gentlemen are recording online courses for the new Peterson Academy. 😊
Exactly, sometimes the most profound statements need not be lengthy. Russ summed it up very nicely, indeed.
These sorts of conversations are rare and precious. I miss the days when it was normal to vary in perspective and still remain open and civilized.
Four minutes in and how do you know what they're talking about? Absolute nonsense
@@BleedForTheWorld Many have not made the connection yet. But technology has advanced significantly since 1859. And if we do not learn to work together with authentic reciprocity, the massive levels of self-centeredness' in society may be verging on the precipice of collapse.
On August 28, 1859, telegraph lines went down across America. Literal fire poured from circuits in Pittsburgh. In Washington, D.C., an operator named Frederick W. Royce was severely shocked. Papers caught fire.
On Aug. 4, 1972, U.S. military pilots flying south of Haiphong harbor in North Vietnam saw something unexpected. More than two dozen sea mines suddenly-and without apparent explanation-exploding in the water.
Can you imagine how this will affect the technology of today? We're not as prepared for this as we should be...
@@dalelerette206 technology is a tool. How is this any relevant considering how nonsensical their complaints are?
@@BleedForTheWorld I find nothing nonsensical in what they say. I agree with gothic7821 above, these sorts of conversations are rare and precious. I miss the days when it was normal to vary in perspective and still remain open and civilized. An ambitious person should not be conflated with a narcissist.
1. An ambitious person is always looking for ways to improve themselves.
2. They have a strong work ethic and are willing to put in the time.
3. They set goals and make plans on how they can achieve them.
4. They are open-minded and willing to learn from others.
5. When faced with an obstacle, they use creative problem-solving skills.
6. Ambitious people know that there will be failure along the way, but they keep trying anyway.
7. They know how to take control of any situation.
8. They take calculated risks.
9. They are self-aware.
10. Ambitious people are confident.
11. They have strong willpower.
Narcissists will display all these SAME traits. But once you 'out-do them', or if you even seem to appear to be 'better than them' in almost any way, they will go to great lengths to subtly destroy your reputation so they appear better than you. The idea of reciprocating kindness and freely exchanging free energy in the Spirit of Truth is foreign to them. They want it all for themselves.
The hiss of a narcissist is spoken in the jealous whispers of the devil behind your back. People with narcissistic personality disorder generally lack the ability to understand or care about the feelings of others. They typically see the world through the 'rose colored glasses' of a sacred 'political narrative' that they feel no one has the authority to question. And if you challenge them, they will deliver their best levels of subtle evil nuance in their efforts to destroy you.
Any questions?
basicsbybecca.com/blog/ambitious-person
@@BleedForTheWorld i disagree with most of jps stuff but like 'what they're talking about' comment just tells me you can't comprehend english lol like russells questions were wordy af and i had to concentrate to not loose track of thought but it's not nonsense... do you have adhd possibly?
I absolutely love that you remind people it's okay to RESPECTFULLY agree to disagree
Conversational intellect is about being very clear of what you mean. These two gentlemen are the best, living examples of exactly that. I can guarantee you that both Russell and Jordan are learning from this as much as we are. Thank you both
"Conversational intellect is about being very clear of what you mean." WOW! - This will never leave my memory now that i have heard it. Thank You***
"the best" "i can guarantee" "as much as we are" are all meaningless platitudes. practice what you preach. say what you mean instead of using hyperbole and speaking for billions of people you've never met.
Paterson yes. Brand no. He uses 10 words when he only needed 2.
@@rumfordcLike the comment you replied to, you to are not contending with the ideas discussed but rather criticising people's way of talking. It is the narcissism of small differences that makes for the most boring of conformity.
..."Narcism of small differences....' , another fine piece of linguistic expression 🙏
"To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize" - Voltaire
Jordan wont go there.
You can criticize us. Your blame will of course be misplaced, but I'd probably be tempted to make the same error in judgment if the shoe were on the other foot so it's understandable.
Jews
I doubt that LGTBQRSTUVWXY&Z is the ruler lol.
Jokes aside, keep in mind that if there's a group in charge of the world ,they're probably quite clever, and they'd have acess to all the info you have access to, plus much more. So I'd imagine that they've heard that quote, they might even know how many times exactly that people have posted that quote as a comment (they love data). So it would be likely that they'd cover their tracks and muddy the waters ..probably even have a false ruler class that takes all the blame
Not Voltaire, Strom
Love you Russell and Dr. Peterson!! You are the heroes changing this one-sided narrative!!
At both ends, of the pendulum.
Yes, but sometimes very hard to follow the extravagantly convoluted questions and answers. 🤔
Russel don’t to the loud and stupid sound ‘s . Slow down we Love You 👌💕❣️
Ditto!
Yes, the one side that has all the proof, and Brand's side which has zero provable facts, but said with such conviction, SOME people are actually believing it.
I needed thesaurus, six theological books from various religions, the complete works of Carl Jung, and google search just to be able to translate what they said. Thanks guys for making my head hurt and pushing me to ask better questions.
The more I listen to both of them, the easier it is!!
👍😂 So true! I know I need to come prepared with all the tools and aides available when listening to Brand or Peterson.
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You forgot to add the complete works of Aristotle my man 😅
The more Jordan Peterson content that i consume, the more I realize that i"ll need to study Carl Jung to really understand him
Absolutely brilliant. I couldn’t stop thinking about the level of IQ that we’re witnessing in this video. More please!
Not so much about IQ. This is more about Critical Thinking. Skills I was taught in school in the 60’s and 70’s in British Columbia, Canada. We learned how to think, how to see things from different positions, how to think globally, empathy, debating skills AND all done while showing respect to others. THAT was the purpose of EDUCATION. Sad world now.
@@pocho689so why did your generation produce what we have today?
@@pocho689 more like word salad from an aficionado Jordan peterson.
Six figure digit IQs
@@pocho689 not sure you're aware that critical thinking or cognitive thought process are major factors in determining an IQ score..🤓
Two brilliant minds from different cultures joined in the search for common good. What a refreshing and intelligent moment in an ever increasingly confused world.
Love it that Russel has someone to share his nuttiness with, and it's appreciated.
My god I have missed conversations of this level since Christopher Hitchens died. I am absolutely stoked that two men who are both highly intelligent yet have had sometimes opposing views can sit down espouse their argument to each other, listen to each other and respectfully discuss the merits and flaws of each other's argument and not once is there any conflict or ego disrupting the intellectual discourse. I need much more of you two discussing everything. Anyone can sit down and watch you discuss issues and at the end of it come away with a sense that you witnessed a balanced argument that allows you to make an informed choice when formulating your own opinion. This is true power wielded responsibly. My hat is off to both of you fine gentlemen.
Christopher Hitchens Never used a platform such as this for mumbo jumbo word salad fests. Russell asks 20 questions in one breath and you come away never really getting a solid resolution on any of the 20 points...
This is exactly what we do not do in science
You need to go outside touching grass@@matalostodos
Hitchens was never on this level. He was really good at speaking and writing, but what I've seen of his conversations about religion hasn't given me the impression any of those were deep. It was all pretty superficial.
Hitchens, like Terrence McKenna would have ripped the crap out of these chaps. All rhetoric and no rigour.
More of Jordan Peterson please.
I cannot stress enough how deeply I enjoy and need the conversations you and Jordan have. It IS so profound, honest, open and important. Thank you!
Amen brother, feel hugely uplifted listening to these two amazing people have a civilised and respectful discussion
oh no way! Im so surprised reading this highly genuine comment.
Couldn't put it better m8
Woah bro
What a great matchup, these two!
I like how Russell is a little less polished, a little less scripted, more conversational.
I love the fact that Jordan knows he's talking to a really sharp guy and speaks to Russell like they are just two veteran doctors at a psychologist's convention🤣🤣
What I learned from the first three minutes of this video: Jordan Peterson is a very patient man.
The amazing part of this discussion is that I understood most of it. What an honor to see these two minds bouncing such brilliance off of one another.
The language is complex, but the concepts are basic. The simplest ideas are the hardest to explain but also the easiest to understand.
The analysis is interesting. But what are the solutions ?
I mean OK, the Christian culture is half dead, and bad ideas are replacing it (like wokism).
So now what ? Do we revert back to old-school religion ? Or invent something brand new ?
I understand it all, but ask me to recite what they meant and I’d struggle articulating😂.
7:00 is a funny example
Me too, perhaps not every word I'm not that intelligent, but I completely understood what they were explaining.
It isn't often that I feel the need to rewatch a statement multiple times to fully digest and understand it. These men are able to process and articulate such complex ideas so quickly. This segment required some real active listening, certainly couldn't listen to this in the background while working out like I initially intended. Great stuff Mr. Brand!
I love Russel, he is so funny and intelligent. When he asks questions though, he scrambles my brain trying to keep up...I'm like "what??"
Dr. Peterson has a gift for explaining complex ideas in a way that almost anyone can understand and keeps you wanting to hear more of what he has to say. It's inspiring listening to this interaction of 2 brilliant individuals. ❤
My god, high level conversation never heard on youtube before. Crazy !
It is heartening to see such discussions still taking place. The two of you are asking the important questions and still looking for answers that benefit us all. Keep at it.
Sometimes, especially in this video, Russell asks long-winded and complicated questions, and statements intertwined, but Jordan is able to answer Russell's questions/ inquiries in a way that I am able to understand. That's Jordans brilliance. I couldn't even keep up with what Russell was saying at times, yet Jordan is able to stay focused and answer the questions thoughtfully.
When the fingers twiggle, a master of simplification to an understanding is being conjured, and as short form as deemed necessary for the occasion
because Jordan is like 5 steps ahaed you can see it he pressure.. he just flex on the bro
@@DJeMoSpoken as awkwardly as a true JP student. It's like trying to read old English.
I'm glad I'm not the only one 😮
Russell speaking like he's a slam poet in a balckadder sketch 🤣
I love and respect how you can see Jordan genuinely listening
Lol squinting through to make sense of Russel's trademark multi-claused-first-act-of-blackadderIII-megasentences
Dr. Peterson is the most deliberate and methodical listener I have ever seen. That is the basis of his super power. He responds to what people are actually saying.
@@_Shadbolt_amazing description x'D
@@haldorasgirson9463 Both Mr Brand and Mr Peterson use that super power in their presentations. There are a few other pundits who display active listening; but only very few.
agreed, that's his pure intention@@haldorasgirson9463
This was an absolutely lovely and enjoyable conversation. I want more conversations to be more like this. Ask a question make a statement whilst the one to whom you are speaking with is patient and understanding with a sincere desire to truly understand what your communicating; then when it is their turn to do the same the same amount of patience and understanding with equal desire to comprehend what the other is communicating is felt, seen, and clear to all. Wow, bravo gentlemen.
This reminds me of.
Great minds talk about ideas
Average minds talk about events
Small people talk about people
We need more great mind conversations.
People go to where their effect is most magnified. Roi.
@@xaviermagnus8310 the truth is what our mere mortal limitations allow for us to accept. Reality is everything, both within what we know as true and beyond.
@@gargoyled_drake And bs is what we spew when we think we've found the truth but are still a long way from realizing how little we even remotely comprehend...
This is what happens when you actually seek truth without any political bias or ulterior motives.
Confirmation Bias is tearing us apart. ✌
But he is a Mason so I listen to him. he has really changed these two years I have been watching. RED PILLED
@@jeremymaxwell8466Who's a (free?) Mason?
Calm down. Literally everyone has significant bias, including these two.
@@jonshasteen3474 That's the same as saying everyone is the same. Nonsense. Like saying everyone is special. More nonsense. Everyone is unique.
Moreover, @nighthawk0077 was not showing any signs of agitation.
This conversation was brilliant and so fascinating to listen to! Thank you Russell for pushing the conversations into new and interesting places
Gen Z, this is what's called a Conversation, it's when people talk to each other, listen to each other, and reply to what's being said. There are speeches and rhetoric, but then reactions and replies which develop throughout the dialog. Two people can come together, argue about a matter, and walk away enlightened. A man can say publicly "This conversation changed my mind" without shame or regret. It is not a crime or failing to change what you believe, it is wisdom.
Ah yes, I really do appreciate having my entire generation of approximately two and a half billion people spoken to like we're children.
I must ask though, should I like you, also start all of my statements and conversations with a generalization and phrase it in a way that is demeaning to the intended audience?
Would you speak to me like that in person or would you rather, point out how thoughtful the debate was for both sides and how it was a nice change from what we see in the mainstream. Thereby opening up the conversation for both my generation and yours to agree in. All with the intent to bring us together rather then to push us away and harbour more distaste for each other.
I'm only a young adult but, I've noticed that those who profess to see wisdom or define it are often the same people who fail to convey it in any meaningful way.
If we're ever to have a productive debate injudicious attacks cannot be placed at the start of something as simple as an introduction. Apologies for any offence taken but I'm just sick of seeing the continues cycle of "this new generation is terrible" or "this generation is the problem for issue A,B,C".
Peace.
@@Flowspinner Yes, we'll treat your generation as children until you accomplish something to prove otherwise
@@alexkaen1701 It's easy to take the accomplishments of others for yourself but to actually contribute something meaningful as an individual is a rather difficult thing to define; especially in the context of societal contributions.
My generation lacks a vision of the future, something that can unite us in a common cause. Because of this lack of a unifying vision, we'll see the mass adoption of nihilism, antinatalism, and anarchy. I believe this is why Jordan Peterson is so popular amongst my generation as he gives a vision to the future and something to strive for. Even more so with The Alliance for Responsible Citizenship.
The issues we face are multi-generational in scope and all societies have had to deal with them. Most, failing as shown throughout history time and time again due to a loss of value systems, corruption from powerful individuals (looking at you WEF members), and a loss of vision.
I've opperated in opposition to many leftwing ideologies and know many others in my circle who do the same. I'm also close friends with those who hold the opposite views to mine.
I have a few questions I'd like to get your thoughts on since you're standing on the high horse. The last three I'm personally still figuring out, but given your age I'm sure you will have a well thoughtout thorough adult response.
1, What exactly would you hope gen z achieve that would satisfy your requirement of the passage into adulthood if not age, education, or self sufficiency?
2, How do we facilitate the development of a responsible and educated citizenry?
3 What is the proper role for the family, the community, and the nation in creating the conditions for prosperity?
4 How do we govern our corporate, social and political organizations so that we promote free exchange and abundance while protecting ourselves against the ever-present danger of cronyism and corruption?
@@FlowspinnerMe personally I'd just ask a few very basic things of your generation. Grow up, realize the world isn't what you want it to be, work hard and honestly (stop trying to be video game streamers and OnlyFans models) and have a sense of moral fiber, or develope a moral compass if you will. Realize what is right and wrong, strive to live within values that respect others and yourselves because I'm literally watching what happens to a society without God in real time.
You can have all the beef with God you want but the values invested in the ten commandments such as thou shall not commit adultery is on the same level as thou shall not kill. If you believe that murder is wrong, you should also believe that sex outside marriage is also wrong, especially to indulge in it. Sex outside marriage breeds conflict and contempt, it can lead to jealousy and it can lead to anger which leads to hate and leads to murder. Now that's not to say to be perfect because no one is, but there was a time when people strived to avoid these things and now our society fully and openly embraces adultery.
I think just striving to do these things even while failing at it would be a hugely noticeable improvement on society. In regards to your questions directed at the other person in this thread, I believe you are smart enough to think of these things without input from someone who won't even respond to you.
I'm not as eloquent as many others but I hope this makes sense and it's not to make you feel bad about yourself, you sound like a fine person. I'd also like to say this could apply to generations before us too because our society's trajectory did not start with yours. These things would give me hope for the future as I'm sure you and I can agree that the path our generations are on aren't on a good one.
@@OriginalDrGonzo I don't believe you understand that what's depicted of our generation is false and limited to social media. Most of us don't get on social media because we've sacrificed our own live for the sake of our parents and grandparents. Only to be left with nothing and no family. Ostracized by our peers and the previous generations before us. It's no shock we turned to idle distraction given to us by a society that tells us to mature. We lack purpose and in truth God could restore that to previous generations if it weren't for the fact that our generation has seen that purpose of God be twisted and formed into various facets of disinformation and control in the name of progress and liberty. Our generation was born into the orwellian nightmare that is the plot of 1984. At the end of the day "Growing Up" means nothing if you are always a slave so why not partake? That is the trap Gen Z lives every waking moment with no foreseeable end. May God Help Us.
The problem we have is, most people don’t use our new technologies to educate themselves in history, psychology and philosophy, thus cannot keep up with such thinking. What a conversation though, thank you Mr Brand and Dr Peterson.
Some of this conversation has to be with people who are less concept oriented and less equipped to think critically, because they are here too, in droves, and they are making demands.
Too much information is static.
Right on the money.
We have unfettered access to sacred, secret texts from the East and the West.
We are able to learn from the sages since the dawn of the written word.
Just focusing on that is mind-blowing. The parallels from the I Ching, Tao Te Ching, The Bible, Buddha, etc, all written in close proximity in time yet penned in different nations. Yet many of the sayings are virtually identical.
Indeed, it's time for humanity to grow up and walk down the road less traveled.
Otherwise, humanity's ego will destroy humanity.
The problem is most are too lazy to develop to such an extent. Most humans never reach their potential.
Most people don't have the attention span to finish watching this video let alone try to understand what's being said
watching two intelligent people discuss these fundamental topics in such a calm, respectful and insightful manner... how can anything get more refreshing and totally mind blowing! Thank you both.
Almost as if getting angry and getting personal is an inherently stupid thing to do
Edit: not being sarcastic just agreeing
It's hard to say Brand is calm though. He's a textbook manic personality who isn't nearly as smart as he thinks he is. Even Jordan got lost in several points here.
Jordan Peterson is for sure articulate, but he isn't intelligent on any measure
@@wanjirumuruha26 I'd say that is not necessarily true. I tend to find that most people who claim one is "articulate" or "well spoken" and their synonyms but not intelligent or the like, tend to not actually give said person a fair shot and truly listen. One could say that being articulate means knowing how to use big vocabulary properly, which he does, is a sign of intelligence. Can you with all honesty say that you truly gave him a shot?
it is also important to say that one can be intelligent and still be wrong. This is especially the case when you consider the implications that arise when this idea is not true.
@@wanjirumuruha26this is hilarious - I’m guessing you’re a very intelligent person right? But have nothing in life to show for it? Saying Peterson isn’t intelligent is ridiculous.
Dr. Peterson is simply brilliant…the way how he connect the dots when it comes to social issues through his linguistic skills give us a better understanding of where we stand in our society.💙🙏🏼
Nonsense. The guy is word salad.
@tonyclifton2230 It's not word salad, you're just too unintelligent to register what he's saying and you disagree with his views as a whole (likely as a result of said unintelligence and the capacity to be easily influenced by those around you) so you'll find any way to discredit him without needing to counter his arguments
@@hellotherekenobi2156 what arguments please give me one. Petersons answers word salad socialism is bad word salad. Don't worry about the climate crises. Word salad negative point about the trans community. It's weird how peterson fans can only try and insult me while never bringing up a point. I think it is because you like someone speaking in depth about something it doesn't matter where it goes or if it meanders off into nowhere.
@@tonyclifton2230 Right there you have demonstrated either your inability to comprehend complex and nuanced topics, or your unwillingness to listen
You're just reducing all of his points down to "this is bad", "that is bad" and quite frankly it makes you look like an even bigger fool
Tell you what, I'll even play your game. You brought up the trans community, which even ties in nicely to the topic of this video that you just watched (though doubtful you actually listened)
One of the points being made, is that the increased focus on individualism and focus on the "self" rather than others, particularly in that people are forming their entire identities around a single hedonistic desire (their sexuality for example) for which their entire world revolves around, and the demanding of others around them to affirm and conform to this identity, is destructive to society
He references the hero archetype, which he does often. The reason why he does this is because he likes to to talk about how myth and religion are an extention and manifestation of us as humans at large. He argues that the hero archetype is a representation of the ideal path we should strive to follow. That's why it resonates with us to such a degree in stories and movies even to this day. We identify with it, fundamentally
The hero archetype describes a person slaying a dragon (which JP references a lot as a challenge that you must conquer to progress as a person) and from that, you obtain its treasures. And then you re-distribute those treasures amongst your community.
This links back to previous point, because it shows us that it's not just about focusing on the self (which politics, the media and education system are all pushing us to do). It's about focusing on helping the people around you once you have overcome your own challenges
Jordan is a great example of someone who does this. He has slain his own dragons in life, and now distributes the treasures he's obtained to the world (through his TH-cam videos, podcasts, talks and books)
Focusing and constructing your entire identity around your gender or sexuality, does nothing to benefit the community at large. And by dismantling communities by having everybody focus on themselves, it gives rise to a tonne of issues. Such as, increased crime (from a lack of communal accountability whereby everybody in a community knows each other), increased loneliness which can lead to depression and rage etc.
I got all of this by listening to the video ONE TIME. An hour ago. Distracted whilst cooking my dinner. I didnt even really get the chance to fully digest the information contained in it as much as I could have.
And you don't have to look far for the information I've just provided, as it's literally IN THE VIDEO UNDER WHICH WE ARE COMMENTING
And so, that's just further prove that you're either too stupid, or too disingenuous and unwilling to listen to get any of what was said in the video
Damn! Great reply!! 💯💥
"I know that's not a question, but I also know you'll have things to say" 😂
Being a Self-aware accountable human in this world is so hard! You can literally see Jordan fist-fighting his own brain during this segment. He's such a brilliant, well thought person! I could listen to him for hours...and have! Awesome interview, Russell! As always! 🙏 Love you, too, Mr. Peterson!!!!
He is wonderful
I have listened to almost everything he has published online. I listen to him whenever I drive to and from work. Regardless of weather you agree or disagree with his points of view, I struggle to understand how anyone can not conclude that he is an incredible and lovely man.
@@mascall87 First be a lovely person, then you will realize that JP is lacking in love.
@@sandleparf what?
@@mascall87 They are hedonistic leftists. They are completely opposed to Jordan’s message of personal responsibility and sacrificing short term pleasure for long term success.
Jordan talks often about how important attentive listening is with unconditional positive regard (taught by Carl Rogers.) You can see how focussed he is on listening. What a lovely way to show love and respect to Russel. Good on you Jordan.
The Title of this is elusive - come on Russel, could you spell out how exactly you have changed your mind as a result of this conversation - changed your mind about what precisely?! 🙂
Showing more empathy to Russels almost manic questions, perhaps a form of competition , a little like a good father to a scattered son, pauses help process the content for most speakers and listeners ? The Rogerian unconditional positive regard is good though yet such empathy might not always be enough ? We dont have a clear idea what ‘changed’ Russels mind? Identity politics can be like a cultural narcissism in itself…
One of my favorite interviews! Such a necessary and truthful conversation!🏆🏆🏆
I love listening g to someone who speaks as fast as I do! It’s AMAZING! Plus the excitement!!!! It’s a chefs kiss of a discussion!
May God bless these men!
Russell Brand continues to surprise me. He is growing and growing in his learning through his seemingly tireless drive to truly understand. It's getting hard to follow, at times, but I am really enjoying the journey. Thanks very much for forging ahead.
I quite agree, he argues in good faith for truth that isn't his or theirs.
Oh he's holding back to.
That was one of the most eloquent and precise viewpoints on how society should view I've ever heard.
Many people don’t “hear” what Dr Peterson says. It frustrates me since he’s a sane and wise man and that’s rare nowadays.
Thank you Russell.
❤🙏🏻❤️
To be fair, both of these guys speak on a high level. I'm pretty decent at following along, but I have to rewind and listen to things twice sometimes. There are simpler ways to say the same things, and it kind of creates a barrier to entry. Often that barrier leads to people only hearing what they want to hear while missing the greater message.
I can hear; he's always shouting
@@limitisillusion7 Classic Peterson word-salad. Lots of words, little content.
Most people are ignorant, they don’t “ hear” because they don’t understand. Ignorance is the most dangerous weapon a group of people can have to completely eliminate humanity.
@limitisillusion7 seriously? They're not that deep.
HAD TO GIVE THIS ONE SEVERAL WATCHES.... WOW.
ABSOLUTLY BEAUTIFUL, A CIVIL AND OBEDIANT ROLES THESE TWO ARE ABLE TO MAINTAIN.
MORE DEBATES SHOULD BE PREFORMED IN THIS MANNER.
Somebody opened the curtains, the dawn has broken, the sun is beaming and I am awoken. Great conversation between 2 great minds. Thank you.
So eloquently put ❤
I love these two in conversation. The basic linguistics is even fascinating. I tell my students to listen to these men to expand their vocabulary and cadence. It honestly helps.
It’s a little complex but you can use chat gpt to analyze your writing style and compare it - even have it recommend improvements based in writers and speakers you identify.. I’ve been using it to amazing results. :) if you’re interested I can show you the prompt I used to set it up
Brilliant!! I love hearing actual dialog and intelligent questions. Too rare in our society.
That was very well done. I enjoy listening as it reminds me that I must practice my own delivery and eloquence in discussion of complex ideas. Your ability to rapidly put forth multiple posits is amazing. Jordan's ability to coalesce the information and expand the discussion is wonderful. In my opinion you are both moving toward the only logical conclusion; Jordan is perhaps already aware, I am not sure. Thank you very much, and best success to you in the quest.
I absolutely love the conversation here. Mutual respect, no talking over one another, no personal criticisms. Please keep it up, love you both!!! ❤
No talking over because they are mutually busy in exalting each other’s intellectual image so the plebeian masses will gasp in awe.
These discussions really highlight how much our daily communications have broken down. Thoughtful and well articulated are understatements with RB and JBP.
To its absolute lowest common denominator in terms of many trump supporters.
Just when I began to become lost in the words and the questions, the concepts and answers become clear. I'm going back to listen to this segment again.
Wow. Just wow.
Absolutely correct! I usually get more understanding of these indepth conversations with each subsequent viewing.
I will be watching this a couple of times.
I am so glad I was recommended this vid. Rarely am I faced with conversational content that resonates so congruently to my speech patterns & understanding. Absolutely smash up job & awe inspiring to say the least. This has definitely helped me gain leverage on complex subject matter that I've been trudging through, seemingly alone. 💜💜💜
~ Peace, be well.
I was in academia for a long time and I saw how identity politics ruined discourse. It was so suffocating that I left even before it became popular to be anti identity politics now I dip in when I talk to friends who are still there and I think “damn , you guys are soooooo detached from reality”
Peterson is being dishonest though. He isnt against identity politics for everyone.
@@bobkebob9980 hey interesting. Could you expand?
@@Story_Fuelits just another finger-pointing detractor without arguments. We see lots around here.
So you were “in academia” and decided to leave when you saw it being infiltrated and overthrown by identity politics and the lackeys that spout its nonsense? Have you not the armaments for this fight? Or is it the courage of conviction which you lack?
@@hahajones I decided my time is better spent elsewhere. So I left and started working in the charity sector. It had been so long since I had been “useful” to society.
"Somewhere within us there is some fractal interface between our relative insignificance and our total omniscience.
All reality takes place within my consciousness yet materially I’m borderline irrelevant"
Beautiful
Love Jordan Peterson
Love Russell Brand
Excellent video, highly constructive.
Two most excellent minds on display. Thoroughly enjoyable!!
Can we just appreciate how these two can discuss without being rude, you can see they are truly listening and have respect for each others pov?
Much of the bigger words fly over my head, but the gist sticks.
I'm a man. I used to be a boy. I've had a satisfying and full life experience and I'm happy with my lot going into the sunset of my life.
I'm also mixed African/European living in South Africa. All this is what I was born as and they have never bothered me even in a deeply divided society.
There's something wrong with the kids and ALL those problems they are going through have come out of universities.
It's my personal view that the next generation are going to have to take a long hard look at what universities are contributing to society today.
Cool story bro
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@@cremdilly7176cool overused joke bro😂
@@cremdilly7176Feel better? 😅
South Africa... what's your opinion on the gangs shooting farmers and boiling alive 3 year olds because they happen to be white?
Madonna a celebrity icon still acting like she’s in her 20’s.
Russell growing and maturing having deep conversations with one of the most intelligent people of my time.❤
I love that you both have such an articulate gift for communication. You both have to pause to actually analyze the questions being asked so you can form adequate responses.
This is such a rare sight it is almost jarring.
Love your discourses with Dr. Peterson. Please keep them coming. ❤❤
I am awestruck at the intellectual brilliance of these two men. They are both so articulate and eloquent I can’t keep up. When Russell poses a question it’s so long and convoluted I’ve lost the thread, but JP is obviously right along with him and ready with another mind blowing discourse - I need some brain expansion exercises, bring out the Scrabble board lol!
Yeah! I reckon I understood 30% of what was said and not very deeply 😢
Same if I’m being honest
@@sidequestsally lol, I wish they were a bit more gentle to the audience...
At least you ARE listening and trying to keep up. Intellectual curiosity is a big part of intelligence and growth 👍
@@patriciofernandez6500 Good to know I'm not alone!
I love how TRULY open minded you are. I agree 100% with your concept of challenging your understanding of things. I appreciate your attempts to encourage open dialogue.
This is absolutely awesome, it brought me a lot of perspective to my own dilemmas and how to resolve conflict . Reminded me of the greater good and of a higher power that loves it's creations . Gave me insight to resolve a very delicate situation no one was able to advise on. So thanks so much, I also watched the full talk in Rumble 🎉
I’ve studied similar to Peterson, and had some chances to review some of his work.
He isn’t wrong.
Thanks for having him on Russell. I’m terrified of what Canada has become. And even more what it’s becoming.
This needs to be discussed in big ways.
Fellow Canadian here.
Russell may not want to hear this, but the current Canadian tragedy playing out repeats a 20th century problem: you can vote your way into socialism, but you’ll need a war to get out of it.
@@Krusty-kl5ej without any world powers to pretend to war against it, perhaps this time.
@@Krusty-kl5ejUnfortunately, over time, you've got loads of new voters, who are unaware of all this and there defining Emotion is that which emanates from gratitude towards the authority that enabled their immigration
@@parrotshootist3004I believe the human spirit is too strong to be subdued by Authoritarianism. Eventually, it will win. What varies is how long it takes and what horrors it commits.
@@Rowlph8888 I agree with you for the first few years they’re here. What I’m observing now though is for those a few years in, the benefits have disappeared and there’s no opportunities besides low wage jobs and limited good jobs trade opportunities. Many of these new arrivals of course fled tyranny and are generally religious with conservative values. I’ve heard some in my area that are severely disappointed in the direction the country is heading. They left that crap and don’t want to see it again
This is the kind of discussion that we desperatly need in our society right now, something we rarelly get on TV or Main Stream Media. That why they fight it so hard, they are loosing to something far better and they know that there days are counted. People thrive for meaning, you guys are an oasis in the dessert of ideas. ♥
Lots of respect for both of you....wish you both best of this world and next ❤
This was one of the most profound discussions I have ever had the pleasure to listen in on. Thank you, Russell, and Dr. Peterson.
Russel you are truly making a different in the world! Keep up the good fight!
I love how articulate and lingustically skilled they both are, and coming from very different backgrounds. The way they use language to manifest their ideas is very inspiring.
Mutual respect is key so well done Russell and Dr Peterson
I'm watching in recording. Thank you very much for sharing with us. Two most honest people shering their political opinions. ❤
Mr. Peterson is a global treasure. What a great mind...
Probably the reason Canada was trying to silence the man
bro how about you show the respect he deserves then.. it is Dr. Peterson.
@@nikherder9565 Or just Jordy.. or Jojo
Global?
@MrEmikk now i want to see a picture of Dr. Peterson Jojo style. An anime intro even!
It is such a gift to have access to two of today's most brilliant and articulate philosophers. This is great stuff!
Awesome to see these two intellectuals having a discussion
What did you learn from this discussion.
Can you summarise what Jordan Peterson said?
In Russell's case, and whilst undoubtedly intelligent. Let's not confuse knowing lots of words and speaking for a long time with being an intellectual.
@@tonyvoxu2 yeah and he is the smart one in this conversation. Peterson is still looking for that conversation with chomsky.
translation: i didn't learn anything from this
Just subscribed Mr. Brand I enjoy watching you talk to people. The video with you being interviewed on a news channel and you just destroy them is my personal favorite 😂😂
These guys make a great team. The mutual intelligence, difference in tone between the 2 changes it up so nothing feels monotone while digging deep (a common issue for intellectuals on youtube), and the dry humor they both share is a match made in heaven one might say.
What makes prof. P's ideology so powerful is that it has no external hidden agendas. It is an honest inspection of life, reality and reason.
The Truth is powerful.
And his bias is pro human.
Most modern scientists are pro hysteria and anti human.
spot on
@GrantWigchester?
@GrantWigchesterCare to elaborate?
Wow! This has to be one of the most probing , and transient deeper discussions about descending camps of hedonism, sexualization, and identity politics pitted against ascending spiritualism that is happening in society today. I am really impressed with Russell’s commentary and thought structure throughout this conversation and the ability he has to bring out the very best from such an amazing and beautiful mind as Dr. Jordan Peterson’s.
I only know Russel Brand from a movie from like a decade ago. I had no idea he was this thoughtful, insightful, and intelligent. You really can’t judge a book by it’s cover. His questions are long, but that’s because he is asking Mr. Peterson extremely specific questions. Jordan’s responses show how insightful Russel’s questions truly are.