@@ecchinosama1205 More like Harakoni Warhawks, who are similar in operational methods to the Elysians, but WAY better funded, better trained, operate in small elite units, and have access to a *lot* of heavy weapons...
@@Ariana321 I literally just posted about the Harakoni Warhawks. They're like the beastmode version of the Elysians, and the Elysians already have balls of steel. The Warhawks fucking rule
@@Ariana321except Hell Diver weapons are weaker then what the elite guardsmen get so it's def Elysian as they don't get plasma or melta weapons (btw I'm saying Helldiver's don't have those guns so they would be the weaker guardsmen the Elysian)
Not really. Helldivers don't own the ship. They are quite literally just amo. They are even called down like strategems. Their drop pods are even bullet shaped. I bet, in every mission, you lose at least a dozen troops. They are nothing but amo. Expendable. Numerous. And ultimately? Cheep.
@@nolanjdon3514it doesn't matter when Imperium devolved so much in many things. Your average guardsmen is a cannon fodder that can't do shit against most enemies in the setting and heavily relies on combined arms support to do something.
@@sydorovich2532That’s because everything in the 40k universe is a planetary threat, in reality your average guardsman would have amazing equipment and good training as well as a standard issue gun that would obliterate everything in a realistic sense
@@dimieneyitemi1721 "in reality". The thing is, even in reality a lot of countries underequip their frontline soldiers(Ukraine and Russia) because there purpose is mostly just to hold the line for the artillery and mines of all kinds to blow up the incoming enemies. And now we talk about the Imperium, inefficient, cruelest regime imaginable. The imperium HAS guns that would obliterate most heavy infantry and light vehicles of xenos/chaos factions but they are EXPENSIVE and reserved mostly for assassins, inquisitors, ADmech, top of the Ecclesiarchy and nobles. Guardsmen ARE underequiped for many threats that they face, especially if we are talking about chaos(demons and chaos space marines) so Helldivers at the surface would be pretty good fighters on the level of best non-augmented humans of the Imperium. Biggest chunk of their power lies in orbital superiority over the planets that they are fighting on. Without spaceships they would be simply decent.
The main dev of Helldivers is a huge WH40k Nerd and duhhh he made an arcade shooter game where u battle the nids and the necrons (the coolest fraction) he even said the only reason why he included micro transaction was so he could get more money for minis. And i respect that !
Which is why the Automatons have Dreadnoughts as one of their top end enemies, and why the hull of the Automaton tank bears a slight resemblance to a Baneblade. Also the "Bile Titan" is literally just a hierophant Bio-Titan scaled down lol.
@@Sky_Eden yeah super earth does have the whole milky way before the wars happened. Though in 40k they might be able to get away with a few hive worlds full of factories producing ordinance
@@Sky_Edentbf any planets they invaded and brought managed Democracy to in the Emperor's name would probably be quite prosperous if they can bring in colonists from Super Earth.
40k already has helldivers. The Harakoni Warhawks. Basically the Elysian drop troops but up-armored up-gunned and as hardcore as any Kasrkin or Tempestus Scion. They are famous for kicking the dogshit out of everybody they're deployed against.
@@Make_A_ChangeKYSelf they are trained to take huge masses of land in squads of 4 they have the best equipment Super Earth has to offer and have basically unlimited budged because stratagems are expensive and they can throw 500kg bomb on a small bug and nobody will bat an eye. If they would serve in the Guard they WOULD be an elite regiment, with equipment of Tempestus Scions and probably some experimental shit made by Cawl, with constant Navy support
To who? I'd die spreading democracy before joining forces with the imperium. They quite literally run on scaring the shit out of their own population. Terra is a literal hellhole for the average person.
@@TheDeadlyBlueWolf once super earth saw one fleet of imperium there will be end of democracy in a moment. As i know warhammer first things imperium will do is extermination of automatons and bugs(as theese ones are not even close to nids) and i guarantee to you that after this super earth will surrender in a hour
@@clown1526Helldivers are kriegers pretty much, no self preservation instincts and full loyalty, give them a good gun and they will figure it out how it works in short time and start annihilating everything
They travel faster than anything that has to use the warp. Literally cross the galaxy in seconds. Otherwise very close to a rich PDF with very friendly relations to orbital gunships lol
@@rayzerot Also, if Helldivers can routinely kill Automaton Hulks, Factory Striders and Bile Titans, they can take out a Space Marine. Helldivers are rapid hit-and-fade troops. Get in, raise hell and get out before the enemy can bring everything they've got to bare and they do so routinely with massive K/D ratios in their favour
@@CrazyDutchguys Doesn't even need to land a headshot, a bolter round would probably rip a limb clean off. Anything to the torso would be instant death. I don't think an autocannon shot would be able to pierce the spacemarine armor reliably. It can't even punch through a charger's head.
Gotta compare them to guardsman regiments honestly, if they ally with the imperium of man or literally any faction I could see them adjusting fine just not as a standalone
They would work great as some sort of elite shock troops, which I suppose is basically the same role they play in their universe, even if their autorifles and knockoff lazguns pale in comparison to something like a hell gun that would be more typical of elite guardsmen.
@@nookzerdaoudidi5869 Their plasma weapons aren't great on this scale. And their ballistics are well below the standard, which are very similar to 7.62x51, with the Helldiver's standard being a 5.56x45 that would really struggle to do much here.
I feel like the Helldivers would be co-opted by the Imperium rather than wiped out. Their skill at combined arms operations and light infantry tactics would make them into one heck of a special operations regiment.
Skill?! Tactics....? lmao The only reason Helldivers work is due to being behind enemy lines. They're a menace to anyone and anything, including themselves. Combined arms warfare with them would quickly become "the Helldivers and their collateral" hah! But I agree that they would be used (or rather used up) if they just came in for free with all their ships and gear.
@vanderwallstronghold8905 halo wars was going to be an rts from the start. As it should've, halo ce was originally going to be an rts. We need an odst game like this
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@@jojo_sanders5342 a smaller round can better penetrate armor truly, the democratic scientists at the super earth weapons laboratories can plan for everything
@@theangrygermanlad1328 counterpoint, helldivers are the equivalent of tempestus scions, AKA regular humans. Space Marines cause humans to feel something called transhuman dread.
@@jojo_sanders5342 counter-counterpoint, the big-ass enemies that the helldivers face regularly dont seem to faze those glorius idiots whatsoever They will unflinchingly kill themselves off with a smile on their face
Helldiver guardsmen would be a nice addition to the Imperium of Man. Give em the right equipment and training and boom a rich regiment able to sustain itself with firepower acting as a sort of elite shocktrooper, basically Kasrkin haha
Repus Theta sends it's sons and daughters in accordance with ancient treaties. Each of the 25 specialised Savior Class corvettes can deploy a platoon of helldivers and a 1000 strong regiment of light infantry. Once they deploy their forces Savior Claas corvettes id than capable of providing support using it's wing of aircraft or space to earth weaponry.
Goddamn, why'd I have to scroll through so many comments to find this?! The analogy to Militarum Tempestus was in my head the moment I saw the thumbnail! Helldivers are basically the Storm Troopers with Imperial Navy support.
I won't be surprised if a fan will create a self made movie that use both helldiver and Warhammer 40k and showing which side they wanted to win the most
40k already has Helldivers. They're called the Harakoni Warhawks. Basically picture the Elysian drop troops but with much bigger guns and much thicker armor and a penchant for lopping off their enemies heads and parading around with them. Absolute savages I can't get enough of them
@@rayzerot It's honestly pretty damn comical, it started with 40k fanboys unironically comparing a single regular Astartes to the Doom Slayer, Darth Vader or some other wildly powerful being and acting like he has a chance and now it turned around to people thinking that Halo spartans are better supersoldiers (they are not, just more realistic), the star trek federation could totally defeat the Imperium (lmao) and other wild takes like that... Powerscaling was a mistake tbh.
Its so difficult to reliably make a comparison between these two universes. For example, we know what the Liberator assault rifle does to a bug or automaton, but have no data on how that translates to real life, where as we have more concrete evidence for W40K. For all we know, some helldiver weapons could be a decent mstch up against Ceramite
Lasgun's as the standard Guardsman rifle breaks concrete and can penetrate weak spots in space marine armor. While specific, the fact that it can also immediately cut off limbs from the weakest armor sections and space marine armor is two tons of armor if not heavier and REALLY hard to get through. The Chaos Legions alone would mop the floors with the Helldivers. World Eaters, Death Guard, Thousand Sons, and Emperor's Children would wipe out Super Earth entirely with no real way to answer. All the Chaos forces that somehow die will come back. Each Chaos Gods' ideology or what they stand for and gain power from exists in Helldivers and most mediums in one form or another. The Thousand Sons will be the biggest threat to the Helldivers as they have no answers to their sorcery, Death Guard will outlast them, World Eaters will overpower them, and Emperor's Children will do awful things to them
@@thehobbyist7275Honestly, if we go by HD1, the Illuminate had plenty psionics and Super Earth still won. Your average HD2 helldiver is a barely trained moron, but HD1 helldivers are actual elite soldiers and in HD2 there is a mission type where you basically evacuate cryopod rockets *full* of 1st Galactic War vets. The Death Guard would be a worse match up than the T.S. by far but with how *liberal* S.E. is with the Napalm, they might just squeeze out a win against them too.
@Ryliath I'm curious as to how HD1 handles the psyker might of the Thousand Sons, especially with Arihman and Magnus at the helms of command. Especially paired with the demons of Tzzeench. Like what kind of tactics do you think they'd use. Mind you, Magnus was the 2nd strongest psyker next to Emperor before the Heresy when he fell to chaos
3 things you missed MK, one their FTL is instantaneous, see enemy ship destroying other ships? Abort and run to the other side of the galaxy, two, they have other guns that COULD kill space marines like their plasma guns among others (also space marines are rare, remember that and don't make them the thing that destroys a new faction, let it be the guard at least) and 3 the helldivers and super destroyers AREN'T the only military forces of super earth, they have the main army too and the navy has stuff besides super destroyers, I don't think they could WIN in 40k but if the Tau can carve a space for themselves, so could super earth.
@@norsegypsydragon677 Space marines are RARE and on the other side of the galaxy the imperium still has enemies, they would be busy with another front until they're called as reinforcements, in the meantime Super Earth would overwhelm the SDF forces with their superior numbers and have orbital supremacy, if or when the marines come, Super Earth can just bail and go to ANOTHER corner of the galaxy, what are the space marines going to do? Follow the instantaneous FTL with their warp travel of months?
The Helldivers plasma guns don't seem to be nearly powerful enough, being very unlike the 40k equivilent, but the personal Railgun would be a viable any Astartes weapon. Not a great one due to it's low fire rate, and relatively low damage potential, worse than a Tau pulse rifle, but would be capable of killing them. The biggest thing he mistook, was this fantasy of the entire Imperium just being able to abandon all it's already desperate wars, to stomp a tiny nuisance out. The Indomitus Crusade is consuming basically every spare man and weapon available, whilst every other front line far more important that Super Earth already struggles to get the reinforcement they need. More realistically Super Earth would be pitted against the local IG reserve forces that a sub-sector governor has managed to retain for local security. That's the kind of force detachment they'd realistically face. And to be honest, the Hell Divers would probably excel at fighting a war against low grade Imperial Guard like that. They'd take planets, wave their flags and do pretty well for a while. Right up until they made enough of a mess to get a proper response, since unlike the Tau (same situation basically) their tech just isn't really good enough to face up against the Imperium's heavy hitters. As fast and precise as the Helldivers are, small teams of glorified airstrike spotters would fall off beyond a certain point. Especially once their orbital-superiority is better challenged.
@@alfieingrouille1528I don't see many Gaurdsman regiments running around with individualized destroyers and portable shield generators. Also Guardsman usually die when they get hit by multiple direct hits from rockets
@vergil5644 Well, yeah, they're normal humans. That's like asking if you or I could take that kinda damage to which the answer is no. The biggest thing the Imperial Guard also has is sheer numbers. Millions of Guardsman are sent at a time and reinforced at a time because, mind you, the Imperium is ALL of humanity under one banner. The Helldivers also don't use as much artillery as the Imperial Guard, where they bombard the forces with rockets and explosions before sending a sea of bodies to go fight. Our weapons are designed to fight chaos-infused space marines and daemons, psyker space elves, bdsm overly sexual elves, undead robots, forever evolving bugs,dwarves, ridiculously powerful orks, and Gundam mechs. And these Guardsman are the FIRST line of defense. Each regiment is used for specific environments and we also have space magic from hell. It's even worse against Space Marines because they're x20 on the strength, intellect, and specialty from legion to legion and that's without primarchs
@@alfieingrouille1528 Yeah no. The Helldivers have about 450k mid-sized starships that are FTL capable. They would be for sure the leading imperial army faction. But their ships are far too technologically inferior to a battlebarge let alone Necron or Eldar vessels. But they for sure could give a good fight against the Orks and Tau.
Autocannon, quasar, spear, rail gun, anti-mat rifle, EAT, air burst, scorcher and arc thrower. All those weapons can kill a space marine lmfao. Not to mention the ordinance that would turn them into red paint.
I agree with you: "But Space Marines beat anything!" *Calls down an orbital rail gun strike... Beholds the red paste that was a Space Marine* Everything loses to 40K but not everything loses to Space Marines. Especially when Helldivers call down orbital strikes and wings of close air support once every 45 seconds on average. Don't tell 40K fans though, they'll lose their minds lol
The rifle and air burst would just dent their armor. Auto canon might pierce weak points in standard armor. Besides it doesn’t change that they’re going to lose in warhammer with zero contest 😂
Helldiver: I was at Malevelon Creek... Imperial Guardsman: Wanna trade jobs? *BLAM* Commissar: DESERTION IS PUNISHABLE BY DEATH! Helldiver: You know what? I love my job!
Super Earth controls somewhere in the vicinity of 200 occupied planets and has standard military regiments to match those numbers. The Helldivers are an elite special forces unit that specializes in high risk missions, with an average KD ratio of something like 35:1. They also have access to instantaneous FTL and interstellar communications that don't rely at all on the warp, they don't need the astronomicon to navigate, they have black hole weapons that can collapse planets, and a thriving R&D department that actively pursues innovation to resolve battlefield problems, steals technology from enemies with zero qualms, and is actually good at reverse engineering. Not to mention energy shields, plasma weapons, and orbital laser strategems that could knock out small titans. Super Earth would be a very small contender, but they shouldn't be slept on. Their logistical advantages and ability to adapt technologies on the fly would very rapidly turn them into a human version of the Tau driven by capitalism. And come on, Tyranids? That's Tuesday for Helldivers. Necrons is Thursday. They're no posthuman supermen, but they'd stand right up there with Cadians and Catachan special forces.
The problem is that they have NO WHERE EVEN CLOSE to the numbers. The imperium has over 1 million worlds with way more troops coming from each. Space marines, custodes, psykers, superior space vessels, their own means at destroying planets. And saying necrons and tyranids are anywhere near as weak as terminids or automatons is just straight up disingenuous 😂
No it’s not. For one, it’s bolt action. For two, it’s much smaller and weaker. Besides space marines have MUCH scarier guns than bolters. Also space wizards.
I mean idk lol i think the imperium would be DROOLING to have an entire planet where the mindless grunts are just as well equipped as kaskrin and make krieg soliders look cowardly 😂
@@MrPainterbob That was supposed to be a jab at some lvl 55 noobs who still can't shoot straight, apply fire discipline and use their stratagems correctly.
They'd basically be like the Harakoni Warhawks or Elysian Drop Troops but each with their own ship and theyd be specialists in fighting the nids. They'd be perfect to send as part of an imperial response to a Tyranid hive fleet incursion. They also drip harder than the Lucifer Blacks and Knight World regiments so they'd feel right at home in 40k.
Lets not forget they would also have to fight against Chaos corrupted versions of fellow Helldivers, crazy world destroyer grern skins, and weeabo space communist whit concentrated plasma guns. Although they could win maybe one or two battles
@@marshallzacyarnold3321 it's called an STC. You're also forgetting about Belisarius cawl. He'll make use of anything. Not that super earth has much tech to offer, all he'd bother with is their FTL tech. The rest is useless to the imperium
@@blacksabbath5300 Your first point I agree with. But you sound like the typical 40K fan. HDs would struggle for sure, but they most certainly have tech that can rival the main enemy they'd face - Guardsmen. Their FTL capabilities are top notch. Their ships are weaker, but its not like MK said: 1 battle barge can take down 5 HD ships. But 10? 20? No.
@@thefilthycasual448 you don’t get the point. Numbers. Super earth? Less than 200 planets. The Imperium? Over 1 million. Their main enemy of guardsmen? Trillions. There’s around 5000 space marines for each planet super earth controls. Then you have sororitas and custodes. Also space marine ships usually come in fleets so a single one is destroying five then five of those ships are destroying 25+. Also, those destroyers have most of their guns aligned for orbital bombardment, not void combat. They’re also way too small to even penetrate the armor. Their only advantage is FTL but all they can do with that is flee over and over until they run out of fuel.
@@blacksabbath5300 My point: The Tau still exist.. And there you go proving my last point. I know in a straight up head-to-head war the IoM would win obviously. But it won't be that simple or easy.
@@thefilthycasual448 yes tau exist and have superior technology to super earth as well as greater numbers with all the alien races they've taken into the fold. And all super earth can do with their FTL is run away... They're never going to be able to hold any ground from any faction. The scale of Warhammer is simply too much, everyone outnumbers them drastically plus there's super space wizards and reality warping tech that appears to be super space wizard shit anyway.
Imperial guardsmen typically don't have personal shield generators and personal air support and personal orbital strikes or their choice of laser, flamer, and plasma weaponry. Thinking they would be standard guardsmen is an insult to Super Earth. You've been reported to your local Democracy Officer
Super earth has managed democracy to protect from chaos corruption. They have the helldivers who are both zealous and are having a fun time kind of like the orks. They have around 200 important planets that the helldivers need to care about. The rest are delt with the army and other stuff. Super earth has amazing logistics. In summary super earth could do pretty good at most being stronger then the tau. If we wanna buff them more lets say every SE citizen is a blank. And another thing to note is the funny fact that every citizen of the SE is trained with firearms at the age of 16. And also they have superior researchers then the tau so take that as you will.
Bet there was world in the 40k galaxy with similar tech and firepower as the helldivers but then the Great Crusade came and the Emperor thought democracy is almost as cringe as religion.
The "managed democracy" of helldivers is just totalitarianism. That's the joke of the entire game series. They're as "democratic" as North Korea, aka the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea Also 40k has helldivers. They're the Harakoni Warhawks. Absolute badasses
@@morelstrike the moment I’m talking about is when they shoot the astartes in the shoulder POINT BLANK from their hidden positions in the hall way. Also, las guns on normal charge can blow off limbs easily, but full power lasguns don’t even scorch their armor, much less hellguns which are at least 10 times as potent and still take many shots from several soldiers to melt through their armor.
IG barely deployed ten million troops anywhere in galaxy, supported by a few hundred ships. While helldiver armada with shitload of numbers being tens of thousands parking in one planet. Unless we got large ass crusade under with logistics maniac like girlyman, we will not seeing imperium deploying thousands ships outside their prime territories, hell, the barely had hundreds fleet in fringes of imperium. And their support will likely gonna jumped into future and will arrive 40 years after the campaign ended or 40 years before the campaign began. While helldrivers can go anyone in the galaxy, instantaneously, no warp shit fuckery.
@@ric270 Yeah. I said it already. The Helldivers would, for sure, be the most powerful imperial army faction. But their power has limitations against certain foes. They dont have the technology to hurt Necrons at all or fight against Tyranids. If you know anything about 40k lore, you should realize how terrifying the Tyranids actually are. The Terminids are like regular insects in comparison to them...
you forget, the rail cannon, orbital lazers, eagles (unless they are facing the raven guard), and they even use drop pods as weapons aside from means of dropping off planet
They can't even survive. A single ACTIVE helldiver has a ship... but those ships are packed full with frozen helldivers waiting for the current "captain" to killed.
Now the thing is that super earth and 40k earth are portrayed as of having similar interests and both being ruled.. to not the best extend for a lot of people so they could possibly team up and there are a lot of people in the helldivers 2 universe so they would make a good addition to the 40k human race
The Helldivers would make a very cool Guardsmen Regiment, though. They have a great, unique aesthetic and they fit a good niche (being able to drop-pod in from orbit and rapidly reach key objectives). Basically, they enter battle in a similar manner to Space Marines, so would be a great alternative for situations where Space Marines would be overkill.
I think we are forgetting that helldivers can travel to pinpoint locations in the galaxy with an almost 100% success rate in a obscenely short amount of time relative. I could see them retreating and regrouping to the fringes of the galaxy such as the tau and hiding until being found by the imperium, then its either heresy and exterminautus, or assimilation into the empire as a type of orbital shock trooper.
Safe to assume that a missile launcher in 40k would be the same as a missile launcher in helldivers and i think the auto cannons are supposed to be a direct representation. So the helldivers have plenty of space marine killing options.
They would definitely fare somewhere between the Guard and Marines. Don't under estimate their firepower and ability to clear massive zones with just four Divers.
It’s almost like 40k has had more time to evolve and more species to copy technology from . (But seriously this is like comparing a 5 year old and a 30 year old bodybuilder in a weightlifting competition)
Helldivers would just be another form of imperial guard. They'd be a faction of normal humans that are expendable and have a boatload of resources for the battlefield.
I dunno if its as much of a stomp as that actually. For two reasons. Logistics and speed. The helldivers are portrayed as being able to get anywhere in their know galaxy almost instantly and have real time info of the galactic theatre. If they dont have one point to defend or attack they could effectively gorilla war the galaxy, hitting every soft target and leaving weeks before the space marines or larger guardsman forces arrive. If forced to fight the entire might of the Imperium at once theyd be annihilated with easy but if able to roam the galaxy like pirate's they be like a swarm of ships that appear kill and destory and steal and then disappear appearing systems away only hours later
I’m pretty sure the Imperium would figure out a way to bring the Helldivers into the general fold, giving the similarities between the Divers and the Guardsmen. They might be surprised at how the humans are able to survive getting yeeted into a planet’s surface but that surprise would fade away upon seeing the ruthless efficiency of their fighting capabilities.
See I just look at super earth like a very early imperium that hasn’t colonized many worlds yet. Basically humanity on their way to the dark age of technology
Well... I wouldn't agree. The guard actively fight and keep off demons and other abominations and have unlimited numbers in comparison to the helldivers. The guard also has better equipment. The Tau are the same but with less numbers and honestly even better equipment on average. Like stealthy mechs that can rip space marines in half. Keep in mind though this isnt me saying Helldivers are trash! Its just a completely different power scale and thats okay
I'm think they can beat average PDF easily though. I mean it's PDF we're talking about even worst performing guard regiment probably curbstomp them easily.
@@mashedpotato8607 I'd say that they can Guard regiments are vary in term of number and quality. And Guard Doctrine prevent regiment from combined arms without other regiment because for example Infantry regiment don't have artillery, armored support or AA support thus they will be vulnerable to enemies that can do that. And Helldiver and SEAF are one of those. So under right circumstances SEAF do has a chance beat Imperial Guard on some occasion.
What about Orks? I think the Helldivers could hold a Forge World against Orks a lot longer than those Cadians could, and with far less casualty density
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So Elysian Drop Troops?
i immediately thought that
That’s what I thought use them as ultra marine guardsman
Helldivers are rich Kasrkin with their own ships.
No More Like Elysian Drop Troopers
@@ecchinosama1205 More like Harakoni Warhawks, who are similar in operational methods to the Elysians, but WAY better funded, better trained, operate in small elite units, and have access to a *lot* of heavy weapons...
@@Ariana321 I literally just posted about the Harakoni Warhawks. They're like the beastmode version of the Elysians, and the Elysians already have balls of steel. The Warhawks fucking rule
@@Ariana321except Hell Diver weapons are weaker then what the elite guardsmen get so it's def Elysian as they don't get plasma or melta weapons (btw I'm saying Helldiver's don't have those guns so they would be the weaker guardsmen the Elysian)
Not really. Helldivers don't own the ship. They are quite literally just amo. They are even called down like strategems. Their drop pods are even bullet shaped. I bet, in every mission, you lose at least a dozen troops. They are nothing but amo. Expendable. Numerous. And ultimately? Cheep.
They would be a fancy planet militia basically
I don’t even think that. Remember there is a 38000 year technological gap between these settings
@@nolanjdon3514it doesn't matter when Imperium devolved so much in many things. Your average guardsmen is a cannon fodder that can't do shit against most enemies in the setting and heavily relies on combined arms support to do something.
Not PDF, they would be something like Elysian Drop Troops
@@sydorovich2532That’s because everything in the 40k universe is a planetary threat, in reality your average guardsman would have amazing equipment and good training as well as a standard issue gun that would obliterate everything in a realistic sense
@@dimieneyitemi1721 "in reality". The thing is, even in reality a lot of countries underequip their frontline soldiers(Ukraine and Russia) because there purpose is mostly just to hold the line for the artillery and mines of all kinds to blow up the incoming enemies.
And now we talk about the Imperium, inefficient, cruelest regime imaginable. The imperium HAS guns that would obliterate most heavy infantry and light vehicles of xenos/chaos factions but they are EXPENSIVE and reserved mostly for assassins, inquisitors, ADmech, top of the Ecclesiarchy and nobles. Guardsmen ARE underequiped for many threats that they face, especially if we are talking about chaos(demons and chaos space marines) so Helldivers at the surface would be pretty good fighters on the level of best non-augmented humans of the Imperium. Biggest chunk of their power lies in orbital superiority over the planets that they are fighting on. Without spaceships they would be simply decent.
The main dev of Helldivers is a huge WH40k Nerd and duhhh he made an arcade shooter game where u battle the nids and the necrons (the coolest fraction) he even said the only reason why he included micro transaction was so he could get more money for minis.
And i respect that !
Really? What's it called I wanna try it
@@juanpabloarroyave5583pretty sure it's called helldivers
@@juanpabloarroyave5583yeah bro i just described Helldivers 2
Which is why the Automatons have Dreadnoughts as one of their top end enemies, and why the hull of the Automaton tank bears a slight resemblance to a Baneblade.
Also the "Bile Titan" is literally just a hierophant Bio-Titan scaled down lol.
Of if they do add microtransactions they are for a good reason
Could be a fun custom guard regiment though
I was going to say that. Also their ordinance could definitely take out space marines and 40k vehicles
Tbf, they might need their own mini empire if they can keep affording all those ordances
@@Sky_Eden yeah super earth does have the whole milky way before the wars happened. Though in 40k they might be able to get away with a few hive worlds full of factories producing ordinance
@@Sky_Edentbf any planets they invaded and brought managed Democracy to in the Emperor's name would probably be quite prosperous if they can bring in colonists from Super Earth.
@@Sky_Edenunless their planet has a couple of STCs which would explain their massive wealth and firepower
Helldivers would be an equivalent of elite Guard regiment with how specialized they are in their style of combat
40k already has helldivers. The Harakoni Warhawks. Basically the Elysian drop troops but up-armored up-gunned and as hardcore as any Kasrkin or Tempestus Scion. They are famous for kicking the dogshit out of everybody they're deployed against.
They would not be elite...
@@Make_A_ChangeKYSelf they are trained to take huge masses of land in squads of 4 they have the best equipment Super Earth has to offer and have basically unlimited budged because stratagems are expensive and they can throw 500kg bomb on a small bug and nobody will bat an eye. If they would serve in the Guard they WOULD be an elite regiment, with equipment of Tempestus Scions and probably some experimental shit made by Cawl, with constant Navy support
@@tinheart2853 they literally get like 5 minutes of training 😭
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The only training the Democratic Soldiers of Super Earth need are Actual on site Experience
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Hell divers however would be an acceptable addition to the imperium I believe if they were used and deployed correctly
They are Tempestus Scions basically
@@weldonwin Harakoni Warhawks
To who? I'd die spreading democracy before joining forces with the imperium. They quite literally run on scaring the shit out of their own population. Terra is a literal hellhole for the average person.
@TheDeadlyBlueWolf Well, that's for most of humanity in general whether you're a Space Marine or Guardsman
@@TheDeadlyBlueWolf once super earth saw one fleet of imperium there will be end of democracy in a moment. As i know warhammer first things imperium will do is extermination of automatons and bugs(as theese ones are not even close to nids) and i guarantee to you that after this super earth will surrender in a hour
I could totally see them being a well equipped PDF
Or Tempestus Scions
Helldivers are definately not PDF tier
@@clown1526Helldivers are kriegers pretty much, no self preservation instincts and full loyalty, give them a good gun and they will figure it out how it works in short time and start annihilating everything
They travel faster than anything that has to use the warp. Literally cross the galaxy in seconds. Otherwise very close to a rich PDF with very friendly relations to orbital gunships lol
@@rayzerot Also, if Helldivers can routinely kill Automaton Hulks, Factory Striders and Bile Titans, they can take out a Space Marine. Helldivers are rapid hit-and-fade troops. Get in, raise hell and get out before the enemy can bring everything they've got to bare and they do so routinely with massive K/D ratios in their favour
I could see an autocannon shot dealing a decent amount of damage to a space marine
Would probably hit with the same power as a Heavy Bolter tbh, the problem would be getting the shot off before the SM domes you
@@CrazyDutchguys Doesn't even need to land a headshot, a bolter round would probably rip a limb clean off. Anything to the torso would be instant death. I don't think an autocannon shot would be able to pierce the spacemarine armor reliably. It can't even punch through a charger's head.
Even if you hit a SM, all it takes is for him to hit you once and your dead, where as a SM would likely survive multiple hits to them
Gotta compare them to guardsman regiments honestly, if they ally with the imperium of man or literally any faction I could see them adjusting fine just not as a standalone
chances are theyre more like cadians, but standalone they get CLAPPED, whilst if they join the imperium they do relatively fine
They would work great as some sort of elite shock troops, which I suppose is basically the same role they play in their universe, even if their autorifles and knockoff lazguns pale in comparison to something like a hell gun that would be more typical of elite guardsmen.
You just described the Harakoni Warhawks
They also have access to arc and plasma weapons
@@nookzerdaoudidi5869 Their plasma weapons aren't great on this scale. And their ballistics are well below the standard, which are very similar to 7.62x51, with the Helldiver's standard being a 5.56x45 that would really struggle to do much here.
@@dragonseatcheese8727 where does it say the caliber for the helldivers weapons?
How many guard regiments show up with their own personal shields?
I feel like the Helldivers would be co-opted by the Imperium rather than wiped out. Their skill at combined arms operations and light infantry tactics would make them into one heck of a special operations regiment.
Skill?!
Tactics....?
lmao
The only reason Helldivers work is due to being behind enemy lines. They're a menace to anyone and anything, including themselves.
Combined arms warfare with them would quickly become "the Helldivers and their collateral" hah!
But I agree that they would be used (or rather used up) if they just came in for free with all their ships and gear.
Imagine a 40k game done in a helldivers 2 way ❤
It should've been. Honestly, 40k should've had a game exactly like this years ago.
@Secretgeek2012 same with halo.
@@thadmeboy1129halo wars should have been like this. But instead we got rts
I think the upcoming space marine 2 is the closest we getting helldivers 2 with 40k Theme
@vanderwallstronghold8905 halo wars was going to be an rts from the start. As it should've, halo ce was originally going to be an rts. We need an odst game like this
We can't even survive the helldivers universe, how are we going to survive in 40k?
This is hands down the best comment I've seen about it 😂
Not even the Space Marines survive in 40k, lol
Well they did figth a 3 way galactic battle and won, i think they would do well enough to survive
That's the neat part, you don't...
Even the C'tans cant survive in 40k
With their numbers, Hell divers could make it a regiment of astra militarum infantry
"Could Helldivers survive in 40k"
Brother, Helldivers don't survive in Helldivers
You forgot one thing
The pod
My helldiver in democracy, we are the gun
So are we, and our pods are bigger.
and we are the hammer
we are the sword in His hand.
we are the Gauntlet about His fist.
we are the Bane of His foes and the woes of the treacherous.
we are the End.
@@jojo_sanders5342 a smaller round can better penetrate armor
truly, the democratic scientists at the super earth weapons laboratories can plan for everything
@@theangrygermanlad1328 counterpoint, helldivers are the equivalent of tempestus scions, AKA regular humans. Space Marines cause humans to feel something called transhuman dread.
@@jojo_sanders5342 counter-counterpoint, the big-ass enemies that the helldivers face regularly dont seem to faze those glorius idiots whatsoever
They will unflinchingly kill themselves off with a smile on their face
Helldiver guardsmen would be a nice addition to the Imperium of Man. Give em the right equipment and training and boom a rich regiment able to sustain itself with firepower acting as a sort of elite shocktrooper, basically Kasrkin haha
Repus Theta sends it's sons and daughters in accordance with ancient treaties. Each of the 25 specialised Savior Class corvettes can deploy a platoon of helldivers and a 1000 strong regiment of light infantry. Once they deploy their forces Savior Claas corvettes id than capable of providing support using it's wing of aircraft or space to earth weaponry.
Just so people know, the Super Destroyer is not the only ship that the SEAFN has. They have larger vessels.
I was more thinking they would be a cool Guardsmen Regiment
Astra Militarum: So you beacon strategems and then die? Welcome to the Imperium, wonder what you did for the Inquisitor to call you a zealot...
Helldivers 2 is a tempestus scions simulator.
Goddamn, why'd I have to scroll through so many comments to find this?! The analogy to Militarum Tempestus was in my head the moment I saw the thumbnail! Helldivers are basically the Storm Troopers with Imperial Navy support.
I won't be surprised if a fan will create a self made movie that use both helldiver and Warhammer 40k and showing which side they wanted to win the most
40k already has Helldivers. They're called the Harakoni Warhawks. Basically picture the Elysian drop troops but with much bigger guns and much thicker armor and a penchant for lopping off their enemies heads and parading around with them. Absolute savages I can't get enough of them
And it always favors their favorite universe
Yeah, and gw will ban it😢
@@rolandedricksantosI'm watching that in action now. Lots of people on both sides who have no idea what they're talking about
@@rayzerot It's honestly pretty damn comical, it started with 40k fanboys unironically comparing a single regular Astartes to the Doom Slayer, Darth Vader or some other wildly powerful being and acting like he has a chance and now it turned around to people thinking that Halo spartans are better supersoldiers (they are not, just more realistic), the star trek federation could totally defeat the Imperium (lmao) and other wild takes like that...
Powerscaling was a mistake tbh.
They'd make a fine elite regiment, but even that is just a man with a gun against such horrors
Its so difficult to reliably make a comparison between these two universes. For example, we know what the Liberator assault rifle does to a bug or automaton, but have no data on how that translates to real life, where as we have more concrete evidence for W40K.
For all we know, some helldiver weapons could be a decent mstch up against Ceramite
The railgun would be pretty nasty against ceramite I imagine.
@@Ariana321 right?
Lasgun's as the standard Guardsman rifle breaks concrete and can penetrate weak spots in space marine armor. While specific, the fact that it can also immediately cut off limbs from the weakest armor sections and space marine armor is two tons of armor if not heavier and REALLY hard to get through.
The Chaos Legions alone would mop the floors with the Helldivers. World Eaters, Death Guard, Thousand Sons, and Emperor's Children would wipe out Super Earth entirely with no real way to answer. All the Chaos forces that somehow die will come back. Each Chaos Gods' ideology or what they stand for and gain power from exists in Helldivers and most mediums in one form or another. The Thousand Sons will be the biggest threat to the Helldivers as they have no answers to their sorcery, Death Guard will outlast them, World Eaters will overpower them, and Emperor's Children will do awful things to them
@@thehobbyist7275Honestly, if we go by HD1, the Illuminate had plenty psionics and Super Earth still won.
Your average HD2 helldiver is a barely trained moron, but HD1 helldivers are actual elite soldiers and in HD2 there is a mission type where you basically evacuate cryopod rockets *full* of 1st Galactic War vets.
The Death Guard would be a worse match up than the T.S. by far but with how *liberal* S.E. is with the Napalm, they might just squeeze out a win against them too.
@Ryliath I'm curious as to how HD1 handles the psyker might of the Thousand Sons, especially with Arihman and Magnus at the helms of command. Especially paired with the demons of Tzzeench. Like what kind of tactics do you think they'd use. Mind you, Magnus was the 2nd strongest psyker next to Emperor before the Heresy when he fell to chaos
I always thought this was a weird question, like there are a lot of 40k things that can't survive 40k 😂
3 things you missed MK, one their FTL is instantaneous, see enemy ship destroying other ships? Abort and run to the other side of the galaxy, two, they have other guns that COULD kill space marines like their plasma guns among others (also space marines are rare, remember that and don't make them the thing that destroys a new faction, let it be the guard at least) and 3 the helldivers and super destroyers AREN'T the only military forces of super earth, they have the main army too and the navy has stuff besides super destroyers, I don't think they could WIN in 40k but if the Tau can carve a space for themselves, so could super earth.
Don't try to talk sense to a fanatic. Just report them to your local Democracy Officer
Oh, you wanted to win 1 battle? Yes, you can. But a war? There are space marines on that other side of the galaxy too, you know..
@@norsegypsydragon677 Space marines are RARE and on the other side of the galaxy the imperium still has enemies, they would be busy with another front until they're called as reinforcements, in the meantime Super Earth would overwhelm the SDF forces with their superior numbers and have orbital supremacy, if or when the marines come, Super Earth can just bail and go to ANOTHER corner of the galaxy, what are the space marines going to do? Follow the instantaneous FTL with their warp travel of months?
@@rayzerotOnly works til the Democracy Officer starts muttering about skulls for the Skull Throne.
The Helldivers plasma guns don't seem to be nearly powerful enough, being very unlike the 40k equivilent, but the personal Railgun would be a viable any Astartes weapon. Not a great one due to it's low fire rate, and relatively low damage potential, worse than a Tau pulse rifle, but would be capable of killing them.
The biggest thing he mistook, was this fantasy of the entire Imperium just being able to abandon all it's already desperate wars, to stomp a tiny nuisance out. The Indomitus Crusade is consuming basically every spare man and weapon available, whilst every other front line far more important that Super Earth already struggles to get the reinforcement they need.
More realistically Super Earth would be pitted against the local IG reserve forces that a sub-sector governor has managed to retain for local security. That's the kind of force detachment they'd realistically face.
And to be honest, the Hell Divers would probably excel at fighting a war against low grade Imperial Guard like that. They'd take planets, wave their flags and do pretty well for a while. Right up until they made enough of a mess to get a proper response, since unlike the Tau (same situation basically) their tech just isn't really good enough to face up against the Imperium's heavy hitters. As fast and precise as the Helldivers are, small teams of glorified airstrike spotters would fall off beyond a certain point. Especially once their orbital-superiority is better challenged.
The eruptor is basically a bolt action bolter
I wouldn't bother. They don't want to hear it
Without the fire rate, magazine size, or nearly as much power. The shells are much smaller.
@@rayzerotit’s just wrong. Similar mechanism but way, WAY weaker.
But if they were part of the imperium tho, they would definitely be top 5 guardsmen regiment
We already have Helldivers. They're called the Harakoni Warhawks.
Top 100 at best
@@alfieingrouille1528I don't see many Gaurdsman regiments running around with individualized destroyers and portable shield generators. Also Guardsman usually die when they get hit by multiple direct hits from rockets
@vergil5644 Well, yeah, they're normal humans. That's like asking if you or I could take that kinda damage to which the answer is no. The biggest thing the Imperial Guard also has is sheer numbers. Millions of Guardsman are sent at a time and reinforced at a time because, mind you, the Imperium is ALL of humanity under one banner. The Helldivers also don't use as much artillery as the Imperial Guard, where they bombard the forces with rockets and explosions before sending a sea of bodies to go fight. Our weapons are designed to fight chaos-infused space marines and daemons, psyker space elves, bdsm overly sexual elves, undead robots, forever evolving bugs,dwarves, ridiculously powerful orks, and Gundam mechs. And these Guardsman are the FIRST line of defense. Each regiment is used for specific environments and we also have space magic from hell. It's even worse against Space Marines because they're x20 on the strength, intellect, and specialty from legion to legion and that's without primarchs
@@alfieingrouille1528 Yeah no. The Helldivers have about 450k mid-sized starships that are FTL capable. They would be for sure the leading imperial army faction. But their ships are far too technologically inferior to a battlebarge let alone Necron or Eldar vessels. But they for sure could give a good fight against the Orks and Tau.
Autocannon, quasar, spear, rail gun, anti-mat rifle, EAT, air burst, scorcher and arc thrower. All those weapons can kill a space marine lmfao. Not to mention the ordinance that would turn them into red paint.
I agree with you:
"But Space Marines beat anything!"
*Calls down an orbital rail gun strike... Beholds the red paste that was a Space Marine*
Everything loses to 40K but not everything loses to Space Marines. Especially when Helldivers call down orbital strikes and wings of close air support once every 45 seconds on average. Don't tell 40K fans though, they'll lose their minds lol
The rifle and air burst would just dent their armor. Auto canon might pierce weak points in standard armor. Besides it doesn’t change that they’re going to lose in warhammer with zero contest 😂
@@rayzerot Imperium calls in for life eater viral bombing*
Goodbye helldivers and buggies.
@@rayzerotNot to argue at all, but I would say the Xelee from Xelee Sequence would absolutely obliterate Warhammer 40k.
Helldiver: I was at Malevelon Creek...
Imperial Guardsman: Wanna trade jobs? *BLAM*
Commissar: DESERTION IS PUNISHABLE BY DEATH!
Helldiver: You know what? I love my job!
Super Earth controls somewhere in the vicinity of 200 occupied planets and has standard military regiments to match those numbers.
The Helldivers are an elite special forces unit that specializes in high risk missions, with an average KD ratio of something like 35:1.
They also have access to instantaneous FTL and interstellar communications that don't rely at all on the warp, they don't need the astronomicon to navigate, they have black hole weapons that can collapse planets, and a thriving R&D department that actively pursues innovation to resolve battlefield problems, steals technology from enemies with zero qualms, and is actually good at reverse engineering.
Not to mention energy shields, plasma weapons, and orbital laser strategems that could knock out small titans.
Super Earth would be a very small contender, but they shouldn't be slept on. Their logistical advantages and ability to adapt technologies on the fly would very rapidly turn them into a human version of the Tau driven by capitalism.
And come on, Tyranids? That's Tuesday for Helldivers. Necrons is Thursday.
They're no posthuman supermen, but they'd stand right up there with Cadians and Catachan special forces.
Also excel spreadsheets. Logistics win wars
The problem is that they have NO WHERE EVEN CLOSE to the numbers. The imperium has over 1 million worlds with way more troops coming from each. Space marines, custodes, psykers, superior space vessels, their own means at destroying planets. And saying necrons and tyranids are anywhere near as weak as terminids or automatons is just straight up disingenuous 😂
@@uncanny3637numbers win wars. Super earth doesn’t have nearly big enough numbers.
@@blacksabbath5300 not gonna work if it takes literal months and years to transport those numbers.
@@blacksabbath5300
Tau don't have numbers either, and they do okay. Numbers aren't everything.
Wait aren't you the save guy that claimed a single Space Marine could take the Doom Slayer? Lol
Bro the JAR-Dominator is LITERALLY a bolt gun. It fires an explosive, jet propelled round... and the Eruptor is an upgraded version of that.
No it’s not. For one, it’s bolt action. For two, it’s much smaller and weaker. Besides space marines have MUCH scarier guns than bolters. Also space wizards.
I mean idk lol i think the imperium would be DROOLING to have an entire planet where the mindless grunts are just as well equipped as kaskrin and make krieg soliders look cowardly 😂
I can easily say they would boldly make their attempt.
Attempt
To be fair, the Helldivers can barely survive their own world, let alone the hectic madness of 40K
Well i would say a helldiver is closer to a really good guardsman not a space marine
I've seen better enlisted in the imperial guard than some of the full-fledged helldivers.
@@kronos661 well duh not the best guardmen just good ones
@@MrPainterbob
That was supposed to be a jab at some lvl 55 noobs who still can't shoot straight, apply fire discipline and use their stratagems correctly.
They'd basically be like the Harakoni Warhawks or Elysian Drop Troops but each with their own ship and theyd be specialists in fighting the nids. They'd be perfect to send as part of an imperial response to a Tyranid hive fleet incursion. They also drip harder than the Lucifer Blacks and Knight World regiments so they'd feel right at home in 40k.
FOR THE MANAGED DEMOCRACY!
FOR THE EMPEROR
FOR THE IMPERUIM OF MANKIND!
FOR LIBER-TEA!
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
Let's just say a space-marine is a hulk on steroids fitted with a new athletic running suit, keeping the armour and removing the back weak spot.
given the spacemarine's pack actually powers the suit, then yes... they are just hulks
"Single bolt from a space marine would kill a helldiver"
Nah, I'd dive.
The average helldiver might just be a little bit better than a guardsmen
They're pretty much the Harakoni Warhawks. Big guns, big armor, big balls and an absurdly huge killcount.
Lets not forget they would also have to fight against Chaos corrupted versions of fellow Helldivers, crazy world destroyer grern skins, and weeabo space communist whit concentrated plasma guns. Although they could win maybe one or two battles
Those horns…. They remind me of something
those are wings
I know they are… but they still look like berzerker horns from 40K
"Necrons are just atomatons right?"
"yeeaaahhhh"
"The fuck you mean, yeeeaaaahhh?"
Bruh........no amount of armour can save you from Necrons weaponry, one shoot and you are basically rip apart atom by atom.
Super Earth steals their technology so I think they'll be alright
they calls Imperium space caveman for nothing, my man ;)
They have 200 worlds. The imperium has over a million. Case closed.
@blacksabbath5300 yes but the imperium doesn't know how to build shit they lost that ability super earth will steal that
@@marshallzacyarnold3321 it's called an STC. You're also forgetting about Belisarius cawl. He'll make use of anything. Not that super earth has much tech to offer, all he'd bother with is their FTL tech. The rest is useless to the imperium
@@marshallzacyarnold3321 Assuming they'll find it. Most were taken and utilized by Votann, which I presume they aren't up against.
I think that Imperium already has an analogue of Helldivers. They are called "Harakon Warhawks".
My man, Kriegsman fight with shovels. The Helldivers would slap.
You’re either trolling or just an idiot 😂
You’re trolling or just have no clue what you’re talking about 😂
Shovels for the fronts, thousands of artilleries from the back line.
Helldivers would be a very competent help for guardsmen
Didn't super earth concerned a galaxy?
Conquer? Yeah, a galaxy with far fewer and weaker factions without any warp bullshit to worry about. They’re getting steam rolled in warhammer.
@@blacksabbath5300 Your first point I agree with. But you sound like the typical 40K fan.
HDs would struggle for sure, but they most certainly have tech that can rival the main enemy they'd face - Guardsmen. Their FTL capabilities are top notch. Their ships are weaker, but its not like MK said: 1 battle barge can take down 5 HD ships. But 10? 20? No.
@@thefilthycasual448 you don’t get the point. Numbers. Super earth? Less than 200 planets. The Imperium? Over 1 million. Their main enemy of guardsmen? Trillions. There’s around 5000 space marines for each planet super earth controls. Then you have sororitas and custodes. Also space marine ships usually come in fleets so a single one is destroying five then five of those ships are destroying 25+. Also, those destroyers have most of their guns aligned for orbital bombardment, not void combat. They’re also way too small to even penetrate the armor. Their only advantage is FTL but all they can do with that is flee over and over until they run out of fuel.
@@blacksabbath5300 My point: The Tau still exist.. And there you go proving my last point.
I know in a straight up head-to-head war the IoM would win obviously. But it won't be that simple or easy.
@@thefilthycasual448 yes tau exist and have superior technology to super earth as well as greater numbers with all the alien races they've taken into the fold. And all super earth can do with their FTL is run away... They're never going to be able to hold any ground from any faction. The scale of Warhammer is simply too much, everyone outnumbers them drastically plus there's super space wizards and reality warping tech that appears to be super space wizard shit anyway.
They would produce new weapons from the mary poppins illiminate mystery box like it's a cod zombies match
Any fight between the imperium and super earth would just be the clip of the salamander absolutely destroying kriegsman
They would basically be Tempestus Scions with drop pods.
There are very few sci fi settings that could fight 40k.
A Helldiver will be nothing more than a
GUARDSMAN
in the 40K universe.
In other words - cannon fodder.
The guardsmen do 99% of the military stuff. Don't disrespect a little guy just because they're not super soldiers.
Most worlds dont have the luxury of having space marines to protect them
They are canon fodder too in their own universe. Super Earth literally just throw millions of them and calls it a day
Imperial guardsmen typically don't have personal shield generators and personal air support and personal orbital strikes or their choice of laser, flamer, and plasma weaponry. Thinking they would be standard guardsmen is an insult to Super Earth. You've been reported to your local Democracy Officer
Guardsman with enough firepower to level a city.
Super earth has managed democracy to protect from chaos corruption. They have the helldivers who are both zealous and are having a fun time kind of like the orks. They have around 200 important planets that the helldivers need to care about. The rest are delt with the army and other stuff. Super earth has amazing logistics. In summary super earth could do pretty good at most being stronger then the tau. If we wanna buff them more lets say every SE citizen is a blank. And another thing to note is the funny fact that every citizen of the SE is trained with firearms at the age of 16. And also they have superior researchers then the tau so take that as you will.
Bet there was world in the 40k galaxy with similar tech and firepower as the helldivers but then the Great Crusade came and the Emperor thought democracy is almost as cringe as religion.
The "managed democracy" of helldivers is just totalitarianism. That's the joke of the entire game series. They're as "democratic" as North Korea, aka the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea
Also 40k has helldivers. They're the Harakoni Warhawks. Absolute badasses
Oh? There was a human planet that had near-instantaneous intergalactic travel that didn't involve the warp?
They would make a good addition to the astra militarum.
Oh majorkill you poor fool this is the covenant vid all over again 😂
Yet he’s not wrong in the SLIGHTEST here
@@blacksabbath5300 counterpoint: weaponized drop pods
@@MazdaTiger counter point: space marines use bigger drop pods
i think the autocanon can do wonders again SM, an 30mm AP explosive shot must be quite painful.
The astartes animation shows anti tank rifles merely denting space marine armor
@@blacksabbath5300 It missed in that animation.
@@morelstrike the moment I’m talking about is when they shoot the astartes in the shoulder POINT BLANK from their hidden positions in the hall way. Also, las guns on normal charge can blow off limbs easily, but full power lasguns don’t even scorch their armor, much less hellguns which are at least 10 times as potent and still take many shots from several soldiers to melt through their armor.
Pretty sure even the Imperial Guard clears Super Earth relatively easily
Do you remember these bastards are fighting off massive squads of bugs and robots. The average inmperal guard stand no chance
IG barely deployed ten million troops anywhere in galaxy, supported by a few hundred ships. While helldiver armada with shitload of numbers being tens of thousands parking in one planet. Unless we got large ass crusade under with logistics maniac like girlyman, we will not seeing imperium deploying thousands ships outside their prime territories, hell, the barely had hundreds fleet in fringes of imperium. And their support will likely gonna jumped into future and will arrive 40 years after the campaign ended or 40 years before the campaign began. While helldrivers can go anyone in the galaxy, instantaneously, no warp shit fuckery.
@@hellblaze10 just another tuesday for the imperial guard.
@@m.j.e.5245 even on kreig the guard struggled to kill millions over the course of several years, the helldivers killed 2 billion bots in a week
@@ric270 Yeah. I said it already. The Helldivers would, for sure, be the most powerful imperial army faction. But their power has limitations against certain foes. They dont have the technology to hurt Necrons at all or fight against Tyranids. If you know anything about 40k lore, you should realize how terrifying the Tyranids actually are. The Terminids are like regular insects in comparison to them...
That said, give the Helldivers access to 40k’s aresenal, and I think they can match the stormtrooper guys. The Tempestus Scions I think?
If I'm playing Helldivers and within all the laser storm I see a green beam, I'm OUT cus I ain't fighting what I think I'm up against
Necrons? Yeeeeah don't get hit by their weapons......kuz you gonna feel everything if you get hit.
you forget, the rail cannon, orbital lazers, eagles (unless they are facing the raven guard), and they even use drop pods as weapons aside from means of dropping off planet
They can't even survive. A single ACTIVE helldiver has a ship... but those ships are packed full with frozen helldivers waiting for the current "captain" to killed.
bro why is this even a question
Reported to my nearest democracy officer
And even they would agree they stand zero fucking chance
it's like a sh*t ton of money meets a sh*t ton of warcrimes
Now the thing is that super earth and 40k earth are portrayed as of having similar interests and both being ruled.. to not the best extend for a lot of people so they could possibly team up and there are a lot of people in the helldivers 2 universe so they would make a good addition to the 40k human race
"A single bolt shell will oneshot a helldiver"
Setting the bar low now are we
A Helldiver-style 40k game would be dope.
This comparison feels like comparing Alexander III's companion cavalry vs an Iowa Class Battleship
Think about how crazy it would be to have hell divers team up with astares and custodians in and fight
The Helldivers would make a very cool Guardsmen Regiment, though. They have a great, unique aesthetic and they fit a good niche (being able to drop-pod in from orbit and rapidly reach key objectives).
Basically, they enter battle in a similar manner to Space Marines, so would be a great alternative for situations where Space Marines would be overkill.
I think we are forgetting that helldivers can travel to pinpoint locations in the galaxy with an almost 100% success rate in a obscenely short amount of time relative. I could see them retreating and regrouping to the fringes of the galaxy such as the tau and hiding until being found by the imperium, then its either heresy and exterminautus, or assimilation into the empire as a type of orbital shock trooper.
Imagine Tau Vs Super Earth....
Okay I would love to see a full video about this idea! Including full scenarios with the Helldivers encountering WH40k factions.
Space marine 2 needs what hell divers is doing with over or a firefight mode like halo
Safe to assume that a missile launcher in 40k would be the same as a missile launcher in helldivers and i think the auto cannons are supposed to be a direct representation. So the helldivers have plenty of space marine killing options.
I always thought of them as a tough as fuck Guardsmen regiment with it's own fleets and weapons
They would definitely fare somewhere between the Guard and Marines. Don't under estimate their firepower and ability to clear massive zones with just four Divers.
It’s almost like 40k has had more time to evolve and more species to copy technology from .
(But seriously this is like comparing a 5 year old and a 30 year old bodybuilder in a weightlifting competition)
Helldivers would just be another form of imperial guard. They'd be a faction of normal humans that are expendable and have a boatload of resources for the battlefield.
Helldiver in 40k setting: +++Genobomb Denied+++... unfair!
I dunno if its as much of a stomp as that actually. For two reasons. Logistics and speed.
The helldivers are portrayed as being able to get anywhere in their know galaxy almost instantly and have real time info of the galactic theatre.
If they dont have one point to defend or attack they could effectively gorilla war the galaxy, hitting every soft target and leaving weeks before the space marines or larger guardsman forces arrive.
If forced to fight the entire might of the Imperium at once theyd be annihilated with easy but if able to roam the galaxy like pirate's they be like a swarm of ships that appear kill and destory and steal and then disappear appearing systems away only hours later
All speed will let them do is run away. Logistics only get you so far being outnumbered 1 to a million.
I’m pretty sure the Imperium would figure out a way to bring the Helldivers into the general fold, giving the similarities between the Divers and the Guardsmen. They might be surprised at how the humans are able to survive getting yeeted into a planet’s surface but that surprise would fade away upon seeing the ruthless efficiency of their fighting capabilities.
Say that to my Guardsman conversion you philistine!
They certainly have the zeal to compete in the 40k universe. They might have a shot depending on what they're fighting.
you throw your best weapon at a orc and it will laugh and say “OOMİES HAVE FUN LİGHT SHOWS”
orcs would love to fight against helldivers that is for sure
See I just look at super earth like a very early imperium that hasn’t colonized many worlds yet. Basically humanity on their way to the dark age of technology
My arc thrower would beg to differ
Imagine a necro invasion wiping out the illuminates XD
Super Earth's only option is resuming compliance with the Imperium. Imagine: Helldiver Marines
Helldivers are just a super rich and well equipped drop assault guard regiment.
To be fair, they would stand a fair chance against the guard and maybe the tau. But thats about it.
Well... I wouldn't agree. The guard actively fight and keep off demons and other abominations and have unlimited numbers in comparison to the helldivers. The guard also has better equipment. The Tau are the same but with less numbers and honestly even better equipment on average. Like stealthy mechs that can rip space marines in half. Keep in mind though this isnt me saying Helldivers are trash! Its just a completely different power scale and thats okay
I'm think they can beat average PDF easily though. I mean it's PDF we're talking about even worst performing guard regiment probably curbstomp them easily.
@@inquisitorsteele8397 Fair enough, nothing but a pdf and not a proper guard unit they could probably beat
@@mashedpotato8607 I'd say that they can Guard regiments are vary in term of number and quality. And Guard Doctrine prevent regiment from combined arms without other regiment because for example Infantry regiment don't have artillery, armored support or AA support thus they will be vulnerable to enemies that can do that. And Helldiver and SEAF are one of those. So under right circumstances SEAF do has a chance beat Imperial Guard on some occasion.
@@mashedpotato8607I'm so confused when you say that the Guard is better equipped than the Helldivers
My friend asked me "4 helldiver's vs 1 space marine who'd win" I just laughed my ass off
Orbital Rail Cannon goes brrr
What about Orks? I think the Helldivers could hold a Forge World against Orks a lot longer than those Cadians could, and with far less casualty density
Until Orks do Ork things and make shit the Helldivers have never seen before
@@thehobbyist7275 fair enough lol
Until they start screaming WAAAAAAAGH in unison
Yeeeeah good luck trying to clean a world where the ork died.......
Helldivers joining chaos however.
Super Earth? Now we have a spare Terra
Hell diver's are my Rogue trader fiefdom forces. For the Thrones!
Good comparison. Imagine if the IG had an endless budget 😎