ASC vs ABS vs TRACTION CONTROL!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ค. 2024
- In this video, we explain how the ASC, ABS, and Traction Control features of the Mitsubishi Pajero affect its off-road capabilities. We also discuss the use of a traction control loom to turn it on and off, making the Pajero even more capable on challenging terrain. Join us as we take you on a journey through the Pajero's off-road capabilities!
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Fitted this today in my 07 X NS watched your installation video and the one on the instructions and got it in and done in about 30 minutes tested and it all works thanks 👍
That's fantastic Jai thanks so much and glad you got it in no worries 😊💯 Enjoy!🔥 Please leave a review on the website if possible thank you
@Budget 4x4 Life we hit the beach and dunes today after fitting the traction control switch yesterday, WOW these are capable little 4x4's it's been 20 years since I've driven on the sand and this little fourby would have gone everywhere my land cruiser that had 33's on it back then did
@JAI That's awesome mate so glad you like it!😜💯 Sounds like mad fun!!
Awesome work! 🔥
Thank you 😊💯
Great content
Thanks for sharing 👍
No worries Robbie😊💯
My brothers Pajero and my Sport both have Mitsubishis Super Select system which I believe takes care of a lot of this via selecting which mode you want depending on the surface that you're on.
In sand mode it will hold about 2300 rpm which is about peak torque and it seems to switch off most of the traction control as it seems to have no issues with spinning the wheels in the sand.
I'll be taking it on to a beach later this year, hopefully, so I will have a play but they are pretty damn capable if you even just let the electronics do their job.
Those super select systems are very smart. I've heard a few people saying it goes well in sand mode and doesn't interfere. Sometimes it's good to have the newer tech😄💯
@@budget4x4life Yeah it's good but I've still managed to bury it a couple of times.
I am actually really surprised at how good the high 4wd (AWD) mode is as well.
I was driving mine on some desert tracks that were really good so I switched it back to that mode to give the centre diff and motor an easier time of it on a solid surface.
I got half way up a hill and there was a dirty great patch of soft sand.
I thought I was screwed as it started to bog down but then you could feel it start to shift power to the front as well and it dragged itself out.
Did the same a bit later on a boggy patch that another 4wd we were with struggled with even when configured properly and with a good driver.
I keep hearing from old skool "good" 4wd'ers how they can do it better but I'm yet to see anyone who can feed power to any wheel in a split second or brake any wheel as needed independently.😁😁
@Old Bloke haha nice!! Yes, sometimes it's the car that helps. it doesn't matter how "good" the driver is 😄💯
@@budget4x4life Yeah the rev limiter and I did a course when I bought ours and there was an unlocked older 4wd that has quite a good reputation when off road.
We went over a crossing that lifted a front and rear wheel off the ground and that was the end of it.
Had to tow it out.
I drove mine in and it just went through without any fuss at all.
Let the other guy do it in mine and I think he was working out how much he could get for his missus to buy one.🤣🤣
@@oldbloke204 🤣🤣🤣🤣solid gold! Wish I could see that hahahaha
Hey, loved your video, but with central differential locked and ESC turned off with the button, you should not have any problem on sand. TC does not shut off engine, ESC does. Thanks for sharing!
Hey, Matey, the TC and ABS kicks in when in deep sand and wheels spinning 😊 when asc is turned off and you have momentum, then chances are less likely that excessive wheel spin will occur where tc then kicks in. Hope this helps 😊💯
@@budget4x4life yep, it definitely makes a difference. As soon as there is diffential wheel speed TC starts slowing yiu down in sand. Most noticeable at speed or over cross axles in sand. There are definitely scenarios where is works in sand, but sometimes it should just be off. Best example is when you try a sandy climb with a sharp turn. As soon as you hit that turn too hard the TC kicks in and slows the car down.
Hi there, great video. I have a same gen 4 pajero and pretty new to off-road, to drive on a sandy beach similar to your video, is it best to use 4H, 4HLC or 4LLc. Thx
It will depend a lot on the sand you're driving on and the conditions.
If it has rained recently the sand can be nice and hard but if not it can be like talcum powder.
Also different beaches can have entirely different types of sand.
Always err on the side of caution, imo, as it's a bit late to change modes when the sand is at the bottom of your door.
Also make sure you have some recovery gear and know how to use it.
Tyre pressures are also critical and can make the difference between making it easily and having to dig the bloody thing out.
Plenty of videos on TH-cam and he explained it pretty well on here as well imo.
I will make a video about which mode to use soon 💯
Essentially 2H on road 4H hard sand 4HLC medium soft and 4LLC for the really soft stuff. Try to keep up the momentum. You will see what mode the car likes between High and low range. It's momentum and power over torque on sand 🙂
I must investigate it further, but i think that in my vehicle when ASC is off the engine power is not cut at all - only wheel braking is being applied, even in RWD only.
When engaging diff lock - it disables all electronics, you can loose all hell then and go on full throttle just like in the 'classic' 4WD.
Good thing about the loom is when rear diff lock is engaged you can turn TC back on and have it working in the front to act as a diff lock😜💯
@@budget4x4life "the loom" is on my "dream build" list for sure. The loom is quite pricey (for people from my region at least) and what's worst - shipping probably would cost at least as much as product itself... :(
And i was not able to find any DIY solution for the problem.
@anonim1133 Ah that sucks mate. I can try help if you want to send me your region and postcode and I'll see what I can do 💯
@@budget4x4life I've dropped you an email 🙂
What will happen to ECU in case there is earth leak to car body from other source?
Are you using 18inch or 17 inch wheels? and any recommendations on the wheel size for SWB.
I am currently using 18inch stock wheels with Blackbear All Terrian Tyres
Hey matey I bought the car with the rims. They are 18". If I wanted to change I would probably go with 17" to have a bit more of tyre🙂💯
Hey mate, have you installed a torque converter clutch (TCC) lockup kit yet?
Hey mate, not just yet. Plan to do so when towing!
Hey mate question - i can engage RDL even in 4HLc, which i often do in dunes and what not. Is there some sort of speed cap we shouldnt exceed with the rear diff locked im 4HLc?
Seems like this is the best way to tackle sand as you have the momentum of 4H, a locked centre and rear diff, and no electronics
Hey mate I wouldn’t recommend using the diff lock when doing over 20km/h or when not driving in a straight line. The diff can bind up on high speeds turning and therefore damage it. I have only ever driven in 4H and 4HLC will be plenty enough with the right tyre pressures 😃
Does the handbrake light come on when “turning off” tc with that loom?
Yes🙂💯 just to show everything is disengaged
Hi, I have question regarding earthing ECU end of wire to override traction control. Is there any harm or damage to ECU if requent switching on and off?
Been used many times. No harm 🙂💯
Hi bro
Do you know, Is TC different in 3rd pajero? Can we use same detail for do it as in 4rd pajero?
Unfortunately not the same
Hey mate, nice footage but I'm going to question some of it:
As you know, I own a shorty like yours but with the rear diff lock.
We have plenty of soft talcum powder here in NZ that I've tested it on. I ran some tests extensively all on the same white sand dune.
#1: 2H - bogged basically at a standstill.
#2: 4H - bogged at the base of the dune.
#3: 4HLC - as above.
#4: 4HLC with ASC OFF - top of the hill in 1st high range.
#5: 4LLC - this switches ASC off automatically and I made it to the top of the dune as above. (2nd low range)
#6: 4LLC with rear diff locked - now this should by all accounts switch off the Traction Control. I made it to the top of the dune just fine.
My conclusion after more extensive testing: traction control being on or off really makes no difference in the sand at all. ASC, however, absolutely must be off otherwise you become bogged quickly due to engine cutting power almost immediately.
I would love to have the TC mod where I can keep my rear diff lock engaged and the front TC working!! I reckon that would turn the shortie into a little beast alright.
Anyway, that's just my 2c worth.
TLDR: Traction control being on or off makes no difference for me on soft sand. ASC needs to be off though!
Hey Alwyn! If you keep the momentum going there should be no reason for the tc to kick in when asc is turned off. It is when you're in deep sand and there's a lot of wheel spin, when the TC will kick in. Our swb cars are nice and light. When the car is fully loaded and deep sand I can guarantee your tc will kick in...like I presented in the video. If you have a good run up with momentum, then the chances are slim for the tc to kick in. So overall depends what you do. I will be keen to hear how those go in the snow with hilly terrain and if the TC interfere 🙂
Thanks for the support 💯
@@budget4x4life I see. Interesting! It just didn't seem to make a difference at all but it did exactly what happened on your videos if my ASC was kept on.
Anyway - how do I activate the 10% off that's advertised on your site for when spending above $50?
I figure I may as well support a fellow shorty owner instead of buying it from America! Haha
@Alwyn Van Der Linde Champion 🏆 please email me at info@budget4x4life.com or send me a message via FB or Insta, and I'll look after you Boet 💯
In regard to EGT in your car with the scan-gauge, did you have to get a thermo-coupling fitted to your exhaust to read the temps there or does the Pajero already have a sensor for EGTs that the scan-gauge reads?
BTW, I bought the loom off your prior video on it. Still haven't had a chance to experiment with it, though 🤦♂
Hey Karl!
Yes, it can read the pajero's cat sensor, which is used for the exhaust temps 🙂 Not sure if this helps, but I will have the Ultraguage on my store soon and have a 10% off prroduct release promo if interested to get in the future.
Haha, no way! It's been close to a year then 🤣 cmon matey! Haha
@@budget4x4life Cheers for the fast reply. My NW doesn't have a cat, so it looks like its off to the exhaust joint to get a thermo-couple welded in.
Absolutelycorrect on it being a year. And while I can't offer a complete excuse, between work and my car being in the smash repairs for 4 months waiting for parts from Japan afer someone ran into me... ummm, yeah, I gotta get out there.
Edit update: was meant to go out tomorrow with friends but it got cancelled 🤷♂🤦♂Looks like I gotta get a new plan!
@Karl Oh true! Yeah maybe get an exhaust shop to make a hole for you to add a sensor in. Are you sure you don't have a cat? Check under the bash plate it might be hiding there.
Haha fair call mate that's just unlucky I hope you are okay and that the car is good to go! You should treat yourself away sometime with the ol girl😊💯😄
@@budget4x4life For the record, I'm pretty sure we're both referring to a DPF filter and not a catalitic converter. But, yeah, I'm quite sure my my model is DPF free.
"sometime away with with the ol' girl" made me piss myself laughing. If I was still married I'm 100% sure I'd tell her you were referring to her 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Nevertheless, point taken and a few days away is certainly in order, as well as trying out the traction control mod.
@Karl Haha I'm glad you had a good laugh mate 🤣
No I am definitely referring to the cat😄 on mine it is in front of the dpf. About 50cm away. So just check haha.
Have a good one mate, thanks for the chat 💯
Is the traction control loom only required for automatic transmissions?
Manual and auto mate 🙂💯
My nx 2017, doesn’t have asc button idk why
Just the traction button? What does it turn off when you press it?
@@budget4x4life only the traction control not asc
When are you going to have some merch on your site?
Hey Paul! I am in the process of getting Merch. I am trying out a few styles to make sure the quality is great 💯 I am seeing someone local soon, which will be good. Do you prefer something Pajero related or a shirt with my logo on? I will try to make both, tho 🙂 Thanks man
@@budget4x4life would be cool to get some stuff with the logo. Magnetic/Velcro coolers, velcro patches, shirts , hats etc
@Paul Holyoak Will work on it 🙂💯
@@budget4x4life use as-colour shirts, leaves the rest for dead
@mick457 Thanks mate. Already got one coming from AS to test 💯
What beach were you at?
Bribie🏝
Title says stopped getting bogged but my mighty paj has never been stuck
Yeah they good mate but if you're in thick sand no momentum it's a different story 😄
@@budget4x4life I did ngkala rocks twice with just an ebay bashplate, otherwise stock
@cal6252 yeah it's good fun mate. Right tyre pressures and you shouldn't have a problem 💯
Pro tip, when you turn ASC Off and lightly press the brake pedal, it turns off TC in Pajero's.
=)
I don't think that's true mate. I would think if you press lightly on the pedal it will actually help the TC by locking up the spinning wheel and drive the car forward with the wheels that have traction? Please send info from where you got that info 🙂
You mean to press break while pushing accelerator pedal?
Its always sunny in Australia 😂
Hahaha depends where you are😜😄
Apparently it rains a lot in Tully, town in Queensland.
Definitely not
Just ordered the loom damn $35 for postage is a bit steep
Awesome thanks Jai. I don't make up the shipping prices, it is straight from the supplier 🙂 unfortunately it does come from overseas so shipping will be expensive 😬
@@budget4x4life oh that explains it thought it was shipped from Brisbane all good as long as it works 👍
@JAI Haha no worries mate. It's the same as what I have in my car. It will arrive between 10-30 days as it is made up per order. Cheers 💯😊
Where in QLD are you based?
Brisbane🙂
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@@budget4x4life not sure why the first message didn’t send. We arrived in Nov. Got our Paj and started our adventures. If you keen to do a trip sometime, let me know. Got a schedule setup for the rest of the year
@@brydonwebster1600 Awesome mate! I reckon a Paj trip will be great!💯😃
I thing for Gen 3 😞