Devolve is the new evolve! I’ve worked 35 years in aerospace primarily with composites. A smart engineer once told me, sometimes you gotta tell composites to take a hike!
Thank you for posting this video!! I've been waiting to see the Break-Away fully built up 🙂 It's very comforting to know that even pros don't like to touch their seat position once it's setup just right. To the viewer that boo-hoos that steel is so archaic - those steel tubes are not Home Depot water pipes - those are very advanced, triple butted, heat treated steel tubes. The thickness at some points is less than 1 mil thick. It's mind boggling how thin the tubes can be and yet still be so strong.
Thanks for adding that Ritchey bikes are not what we say in the industry straight gauge gas pipes. The only way to educate people is to offer them a test ride. 😊
Thank you for sharing the details of your break away bike build. The bike really looks nice! I'm grateful that you highlighted all the components, especially your bar and stem. I recently switched from a Zipp compact bar size 42 to a Ritchey WCS Ergo Max size 44. I really like the 4° sweep that this bar has, it definitely feels better on my gravel bike. I'm now just trying to work out the stem length fit and will switch from the Zipp service course stem to the Ritchey Toyon.
Build came out awesome. The r9100 groupset I think is the best mechanical groupset ever made and the shifters are just so crisp. It’s a thing of beauty and a shame they don’t make them anymore!
Thank You Ian! You definitely can tell the difference between Dura-Ace R9100 and Ultegra R8000. I don’t think this bike will get that much use so I think I made the right choice. If I didn’t then it will only cost me my time to swap out for D/A shifters which I have as spares for my primary bikes.
Ciao George, Nice build. Another reason to prefer the break away design over SS - the butting profile of the tubing is preserved. It's a more elegant solution to not adversely impacting the frame flex and the ride. Your flexy seatpost probably has more deflection under load than the one on the red bike. Little thing - I find the shift cable couplers tend to ping the downtube, which can be annoying. For travel, I've taken to putting a patch of duct tape or a bandaid over the tube there. Some FDs need more cable tension to shift and when dirty and I have pulled out of that grab screw. Tinning the cable end with a bit of solder seems to help make it more secure. Also for travel, definitely keep to simplest, cheapest parts. Breaking or losing exotic stuff happens a lot and the local bike shop, if there is one, may not have compatible spares. The airline or TSA broke my RD on of these bikes. Now, I always detach it when packing.
These are great tips. I was wondering what to do with the rear brake coupling because yes I hear it pinging when I hit potholes. Yes the Ergon seat post would have more travel than the Ritchey Flex Logic seat post.
Tom Ritchey loves George longtime. 😂 Next time I’ll mention your name at Ritchey’s stand at the Sea Otter Classic. Got myself a logic road because of your video
Yeah you would think there would be a partnership or sponsorship by now but Mr Ritchey doesn’t even know i exist 😂 I’ve paid for every frame myself. Which allows me the freedom to give an honest opinion on their bikes. But honestly I can’t find any faults in quality of manufacturing, geometry, ride quality, performance or value. Tell me about your experience with your Road Logic? Thanks for watching!
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Don’t worry George I’ll make sure they watch your videos. As for my Ritchey, I am still waiting for components to come in . I am hoping to get it built out this month. This is going go be my first steel bike. Even my buddy John Howard is hanging up his Bianchi for a Waterford frame. I watch your videos because you keep it real .
My stance is controversial in this day and age but the more I see the more I am disgusted with the current trends in the bike industry. The utter dependence on carbon frames, electronic shifting and disc brakes. They have taken a beautiful, simple and elegant machine and made a mess of it! 😢😢
Really nice looking bikes. I'm wondering why you didn't go with a larger frame size? You'd have a longer head tube and be able to raise your bars even higher in the future and with less spacers. A slightly longer wheelbase would be a nice bonus on longer rides too. And you could easily use a shorter stem to make up for the longer top tube. I'm sure you know all of this and just prefer the smaller frame size. I get it, I just personally prefer longer and taller frames with less seat post and stem extension than the other way around.
I’m not sure I understand your comment - like seriously at all! I’m barely 5’9” or 175cm. The large frame is equivalent to a 55cm. I have very long legs for my height and a short torso. I race for years on 54cm frames with 120-140 head tubes and this Breakaway has a 170 head tube. I don’t need a taller head tube at all it’s too freaking tall as it is. I made a reference to my Paris Brest Paris experience but didn’t completely explain the fit on the bike. On my grey Road Logic I have a 160 HT and I cut the fork a decade ago with no spacers before I had ever thought I was going to do PBP. It was my group ride bike and no more than 100-150 mile bike. So that is why I had neck and shoulder pain in the last 200 km of a 1226 km event. I also said my longest ride was a 600km in April and the event was in August. I honestly have no clue what you’re talking about
The last thing I would ever do is is use a shorter stem. 120mm or longer makes the bike well balanced and very predictable in all situations especially descending. Again I have no clue what you’re talking about.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad My thoughts on your frame were based on what you show at 10:12 in the video. You say you've left extra steerer tube so you can raise your stem if you like later. It looks like about 10 mm of steerer tube left above the stem? My opinion is unless you'd like to also be able to lower your stem a bunch, which is valid, why have all the spacers under your stem? A larger frame size would mean less spacers with your current bar position, and the ability to raise your bars even more if you require in the future (not counting flipping the stem, which is also valid). Now if you feel strongly about a 120 mm stem that is a a limiting factor, which means you have to pick the frame size to work with your desired stem length. I personally have't had a issue with shorter stems.
George I remember you saying in another video that you went one size up on your SQ lab saddle and it was even more comfortable for you. Is 140 the size up for you that you run on all of your bikes or do your have 150 on some of the others?
@@agarrioone great memory and thank you for your question. Based on SQ LAB recommendations I should be riding a 13 cm saddle but instead I ride 14 cm saddles. I hope that helps.
Regarding those brake pads...orange ones...i have heard orange compound stops better but is harsh on rims...which one is recommended for dry weather and occassional downhill?
Hmm I was not aware they were harsh on rims. The compound seems softer and grippier. Logic would tell me that they will wear out faster and be gentler on rims. The standard Shimano pads are excellent 👌
Ha ha I talk about the bell often I thought people might be sick of it already 😂😂 The tire clearance is quite generous but I don’t know Pittsburgh as well as you!
That is a very good question. In fact, when customers talk to me about only being able to own one bike because of space (think apartment dwellers) or budget reasons, positioning the Break-Away as the one bike makes a lot of sense. For other people that would be sound advice. However, that would never work for me. I love having many bikes. I personify and N+1 🤣🤣🤣
Keep the videos coming. May I ask if you’re too hard on carbon? All those Ritcheys have carbon forks :) It’s not the be all end all, and it’s awful it’s not recyclable, but please give carbon a break? :)
@@lawnchair4 if you ride enough things happen! Crashes happen solo or in a group ride or in a race or in transit or or or … and as I mentioned in a previous comment a steel fork is magical with incredible ride quality but unfortunately they have been relegated to low end bikes or non road bikes and are not available for race bikes anymore 😭
@@HeyWattsUpCycling yes if you’re not racing a Ritchey is a great all around bike! But if even if you’re racing road it isn’t going to hold you back. Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
@@SeeYouUpTheRoadrespect, never would i have thought I’d see ya running tubeless. I may have missed it by what size frame are you running and may i please ask how tall you are? Thanks a million! Looking to finally build my forever bike and the breakaway is where I’ll start. 🚵♀️
@@Thegentlegoon if you’re interested in a Breakaway i would like to earn your business. I mean you’re going to buy one anyway. What size do you need? 5’9” Large 120mm stem
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I’m just under 6ft with a shorter torso. I’m currently traveling through asia, now in malang East Java riding an mtb on the road. but this build will for a trip to either somewhere in Switzerland or the Dolomites late next year, thinking late October or early November. I’m originally from the Bay Area so I’ll prob get my buddy to bring the bike for me if i don’t make it back before the trip. I’m leaning towards scoring a used option off Craigslist or eBay. I just missed out on one being sold out of Portland, older model for about 1000 bucks with the case :/ if i have to go the new route I’ll for sure reach out to ya.
Which is built up too rigid - over 3x as much as it should be just to pass testing. I would prefer to have a steel fork which is significantly more comfortable than a carbon fork. All carbon frames are doomed to crack before a steel frame. Thanks for watching!
Thanks Ian and sorry to hear about your 4 broken carbon frames - I have broken WAY more than 4 carbon frames in the last 20 years. Both Jess’s carbon frames are cracked. That’s why she’s riding steel now. I have at least 3 of my broken carbon frames in the shop just from a few years ago I’d have more but the majority of my riding in the last 5 years has been on steel bikes. People are fooling themselves when they buy carbon bikes and think it’s their “forever bike” 😊
dura ace cranks crack big recall. the sram axs carbon have suffered no cracks. LOL luddite channel . i have seen dozens of old steel frames the crack from rust. titanium is the best material for long term durability . ritchey does not make ti frames LOL
If it’s a Luddite channel why are you watching? Ah yes because you come to be schooled and learn something that contradicts your beliefs. I get it. I have not had any of my (7) Dura-Ace cranks crack or (3) Ultegra cranks. None of my steel bikes have rust or cracks on them. That might happen for a rider ‘s negligence or bikes left outside etc. Spraying Frame Saver once a year when you do an overhaul prevents any rust. All new Ritchey frames are ED treated so you don’t need to use Frame Saver but it doesn’t hurt. Titanium is over priced and doesn’t perform any better than steel. But you know this already because every time you troll me on these videos I respond with the same responses 😂 I can do this ALL day 😂 but anyways thanks for watching 😊
Devolve is the new evolve!
I’ve worked 35 years in aerospace primarily with composites. A smart engineer once told me, sometimes you gotta tell composites to take a hike!
Yep - the more things change the more things stay the same 😊 I’ll just ride my steel bikes and be happy 😊
Thank you for posting this video!! I've been waiting to see the Break-Away fully built up 🙂
It's very comforting to know that even pros don't like to touch their seat position once it's setup just right.
To the viewer that boo-hoos that steel is so archaic - those steel tubes are not Home Depot water pipes - those are very advanced, triple butted, heat treated steel tubes. The thickness at some points is less than 1 mil thick. It's mind boggling how thin the tubes can be and yet still be so strong.
Thanks for adding that Ritchey bikes are not what we say in the industry straight gauge gas pipes. The only way to educate people is to offer them a test ride. 😊
Thank you for sharing the details of your break away bike build. The bike really looks nice! I'm grateful that you highlighted all the components, especially your bar and stem. I recently switched from a Zipp compact bar size 42 to a Ritchey WCS Ergo Max size 44. I really like the 4° sweep that this bar has, it definitely feels better on my gravel bike. I'm now just trying to work out the stem length fit and will switch from the Zipp service course stem to the Ritchey Toyon.
@@rfesta1 You’re Welcome and thank you for watching please consider subscribing
Build came out awesome. The r9100 groupset I think is the best mechanical groupset ever made and the shifters are just so crisp. It’s a thing of beauty and a shame they don’t make them anymore!
Thank You Ian! You definitely can tell the difference between Dura-Ace R9100 and Ultegra R8000. I don’t think this bike will get that much use so I think I made the right choice. If I didn’t then it will only cost me my time to swap out for D/A shifters which I have as spares for my primary bikes.
What a lovely bike!
The Ergon seatpost is a spring, it sag under the load. That is why it needs adjustment.
🚲🚲 ❤
Thanks for watching!
What a beautiful geometry! Good vibes for his owner.
Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
Wow looks awesome George.. I’ve been looking forward to seeing this vid.. 😊 really nice my friend 🚴♀️🚴🏻👍Pete
Thank You Pete! It rides very well! ❤ thanks for watching!
Ciao George, Nice build. Another reason to prefer the break away design over SS - the butting profile of the tubing is preserved. It's a more elegant solution to not adversely impacting the frame flex and the ride. Your flexy seatpost probably has more deflection under load than the one on the red bike. Little thing - I find the shift cable couplers tend to ping the downtube, which can be annoying. For travel, I've taken to putting a patch of duct tape or a bandaid over the tube there. Some FDs need more cable tension to shift and when dirty and I have pulled out of that grab screw. Tinning the cable end with a bit of solder seems to help make it more secure. Also for travel, definitely keep to simplest, cheapest parts. Breaking or losing exotic stuff happens a lot and the local bike shop, if there is one, may not have compatible spares. The airline or TSA broke my RD on of these bikes. Now, I always detach it when packing.
These are great tips. I was wondering what to do with the rear brake coupling because yes I hear it pinging when I hit potholes. Yes the Ergon seat post would have more travel than the Ritchey Flex Logic seat post.
Cool build. Waiting for the ride review from you and Jess❤
@@bb-r5710 thanks for watching. I am collecting my thoughts for the ride review
Tom Ritchey loves George longtime. 😂 Next time I’ll mention your name at Ritchey’s stand at the Sea Otter Classic. Got myself a logic road because of your video
Yeah you would think there would be a partnership or sponsorship by now but Mr Ritchey doesn’t even know i exist 😂 I’ve paid for every frame myself. Which allows me the freedom to give an honest opinion on their bikes. But honestly I can’t find any faults in quality of manufacturing, geometry, ride quality, performance or value.
Tell me about your experience with your Road Logic?
Thanks for watching!
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Don’t worry George I’ll make sure they watch your videos. As for my Ritchey, I am still waiting for components to come in . I am hoping to get it built out this month.
This is going go be my first steel bike. Even my buddy John Howard is hanging up his Bianchi for a Waterford frame. I watch your videos because you keep it real .
My stance is controversial in this day and age but the more I see the more I am disgusted with the current trends in the bike industry. The utter dependence on carbon frames, electronic shifting and disc brakes. They have taken a beautiful, simple and elegant machine and made a mess of it! 😢😢
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad It's like you said after you let someone test ride a good steel bike - is a modern carbon really worth 2-3x the price?
hardly ever is a carbon bike worth 2-3X the price but it’s not going to give you 2X-3x more performance 😊
Beautiful build! You may find the combination of the active saddle and seatpost flexing is why you had to increase your seat height measurement….
Possibly! Thanks for watching Patrick!
Very cool!
Indeed! Thanks for watching!
Really nice looking bikes. I'm wondering why you didn't go with a larger frame size? You'd have a longer head tube and be able to raise your bars even higher in the future and with less spacers. A slightly longer wheelbase would be a nice bonus on longer rides too. And you could easily use a shorter stem to make up for the longer top tube. I'm sure you know all of this and just prefer the smaller frame size. I get it, I just personally prefer longer and taller frames with less seat post and stem extension than the other way around.
I’m not sure I understand your comment - like seriously at all! I’m barely 5’9” or 175cm. The large frame is equivalent to a 55cm. I have very long legs for my height and a short torso. I race for years on 54cm frames with 120-140 head tubes and this Breakaway has a 170 head tube. I don’t need a taller head tube at all it’s too freaking tall as it is.
I made a reference to my Paris Brest Paris experience but didn’t completely explain the fit on the bike. On my grey Road Logic I have a 160 HT and I cut the fork a decade ago with no spacers before I had ever thought I was going to do PBP. It was my group ride bike and no more than 100-150 mile bike. So that is why I had neck and shoulder pain in the last 200 km of a 1226 km event. I also said my longest ride was a 600km in April and the event was in August.
I honestly have no clue what you’re talking about
The last thing I would ever do is is use a shorter stem. 120mm or longer makes the bike well balanced and very predictable in all situations especially descending.
Again I have no clue what you’re talking about.
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad My thoughts on your frame were based on what you show at 10:12 in the video. You say you've left extra steerer tube so you can raise your stem if you like later. It looks like about 10 mm of steerer tube left above the stem? My opinion is unless you'd like to also be able to lower your stem a bunch, which is valid, why have all the spacers under your stem? A larger frame size would mean less spacers with your current bar position, and the ability to raise your bars even more if you require in the future (not counting flipping the stem, which is also valid). Now if you feel strongly about a 120 mm stem that is a a limiting factor, which means you have to pick the frame size to work with your desired stem length. I personally have't had a issue with shorter stems.
@@Orgakoydthanks for watching please consider subscribing
George I remember you saying in another video that you went one size up on your SQ lab saddle and it was even more comfortable for you. Is 140 the size up for you that you run on all of your bikes or do your have 150 on some of the others?
@@agarrioone great memory and thank you for your question. Based on SQ LAB recommendations I should be riding a 13 cm saddle but instead I ride 14 cm saddles. I hope that helps.
It seems there are subtle geometry differences between the standard and breakaway frames. Interestingly. What's your experience?
@@andrewhamilton3486 it feels amazing to me 😁
Hello dad, can you do a frame-pump demo on the shorts section?
thanks for watching
Those people I pedaled by that you know, had a Ritchey tandem break away.
Cool bike and concept! It’s very costly to put S&S couplings on a tandem.
Hi George....
Which kool stop pads?
Is the max spacers between stem and headset cap 30mm?
@@mr.rodriguez3512 salmon Kool Stops. Yes 30mm
Regarding those brake pads...orange ones...i have heard orange compound stops better but is harsh on rims...which one is recommended for dry weather and occassional downhill?
Hmm I was not aware they were harsh on rims. The compound seems softer and grippier. Logic would tell me that they will wear out faster and be gentler on rims. The standard Shimano pads are excellent 👌
Great video, thank you.
No mention of the bell and that tire clearance looked pretty tight for potholed Pittsburgh.
Ha ha I talk about the bell often I thought people might be sick of it already 😂😂
The tire clearance is quite generous but I don’t know Pittsburgh as well as you!
Hi George
55 frame. Is that the L for Ritchey ?
Yes sorry! I totally forgot they call them Small, Medium and Large
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad S M L and XL they have..so 55 is L I assuming, is that right
If it rides similarly as the “main” red Road Logic, why not just keep the Ritchey breakaway as both the main and travel bikes?
That is a very good question. In fact, when customers talk to me about only being able to own one bike because of space
(think apartment dwellers) or budget reasons, positioning the Break-Away as the one bike makes a lot of sense. For other people that would be sound advice.
However, that would never work for me. I love having many bikes. I personify and N+1 🤣🤣🤣
Break it down and put it in a box for us
Indeed! That will be a video in the future!
Keep the videos coming. May I ask if you’re too hard on carbon? All those Ritcheys have carbon forks :) It’s not the be all end all, and it’s awful it’s not recyclable, but please give carbon a break? :)
@@lawnchair4 if you ride enough things happen! Crashes happen solo or in a group ride or in a race or in transit or or or … and as I mentioned in a previous comment a steel fork is magical with incredible ride quality but unfortunately they have been relegated to low end bikes or non road bikes and are not available for race bikes anymore 😭
Agree :) Still have my caad12 in the stable tho it will dent like a tin can vs steel :)
ha ha !!
Frame builders still do them if you really want one.
Maybe the only part that could fail on Road Logic in fact.
thanks for watching Mathieu!
never rode anything like that. actually never rode anything but road race bikes and XC mtb. I should probably get some sort of more basic all arounder
@@HeyWattsUpCycling yes if you’re not racing a Ritchey is a great all around bike! But if even if you’re racing road it isn’t going to hold you back. Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
Tubeless for the road?
Now that I’m riding 30’s tubeless is working finally
@@SeeYouUpTheRoadrespect, never would i have thought I’d see ya running tubeless. I may have missed it by what size frame are you running and may i please ask how tall you are? Thanks a million! Looking to finally build my forever bike and the breakaway is where I’ll start. 🚵♀️
@@Thegentlegoon if you’re interested in a Breakaway i would like to earn your business. I mean you’re going to buy one anyway. What size do you need?
5’9” Large 120mm stem
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I’m just under 6ft with a shorter torso. I’m currently traveling through asia, now in malang East Java riding an mtb on the road. but this build will for a trip to either somewhere in Switzerland or the Dolomites late next year, thinking late October or early November. I’m originally from the Bay Area so I’ll prob get my buddy to bring the bike for me if i don’t make it back before the trip. I’m leaning towards scoring a used option off Craigslist or eBay. I just missed out on one being sold out of Portland, older model for about 1000 bucks with the case :/ if i have to go the new route I’ll for sure reach out to ya.
Yeah you have a problem 5 ritchey bikes😅
@@DonkeysRChaos ha ha “Hello my name is George and I have not purchased the Ritchey since last week”
Haha, i have 3 looking for a 4th 😅@@SeeYouUpTheRoad
sold all my carbon bikes
@@andrewhamilton3486 I have them but don’t ride them anymore
@@andrewhamilton3486 what can I sell you 😇
Can you still get NOS Dura Ace 11sp mechanical??
@@michaelminasi2182 not really
Campag 12 speed mechanical is much more available 😊
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad Did George just suggest Campy!?!? I must be hallucinating 😮
@@MrSandperson0 ha ha
All carbon bikes are not doomed to crack. Also, your steel Ritchey’s have carbon forks!
Which is built up too rigid - over 3x as much as it should be just to pass testing. I would prefer to have a steel fork which is significantly more comfortable than a carbon fork.
All carbon frames are doomed to crack before a steel frame.
Thanks for watching!
I’ve had 4 carbon frames, 4 steel frames, one Titanium frame. All 4 carbon frames have suffered cracks.
Thanks Ian and sorry to hear about your 4 broken carbon frames - I have broken WAY more than 4 carbon frames in the last 20 years. Both Jess’s carbon frames are cracked. That’s why she’s riding steel now. I have at least 3 of my broken carbon frames in the shop just from a few years ago I’d have more but the majority of my riding in the last 5 years has been on steel bikes.
People are fooling themselves when they buy carbon bikes and think it’s their “forever bike” 😊
dura ace cranks crack big recall. the sram axs carbon have suffered no cracks. LOL luddite channel . i have seen dozens of old steel frames the crack from rust. titanium is the best material for long term durability . ritchey does not make ti frames LOL
If it’s a Luddite channel why are you watching? Ah yes because you come to be schooled and learn something that contradicts your beliefs. I get it.
I have not had any of my (7) Dura-Ace cranks crack or (3) Ultegra cranks. None of my steel bikes have rust or cracks on them. That might happen for a rider ‘s negligence or bikes left outside etc. Spraying Frame Saver once a year when you do an overhaul prevents any rust. All new Ritchey frames are ED treated so you don’t need to use Frame Saver but it doesn’t hurt.
Titanium is over priced and doesn’t perform any better than steel. But you know this already because every time you troll me on these videos I respond with the same responses 😂
I can do this ALL day 😂 but anyways thanks for watching 😊
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad i like some of your content / reviews but when you talk NONSENSE i call you out.
@@spartanbike2260 Ritchey made titanium in the past both road and cross on breakaway form. Titanium also cracks. Nothing is indestructible