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Yes! This is something that almost no one ever understands when people talk about Marx and communism. It's supposed to be born out of an already industrialized nation that has an abundance of resources and advanced systems of production. Creating communism from poverty was never in his analysis.
you can't create communism from post-industrial societies yet... but you can use it as a cult to rally a pre-industrial classic peasant rebellion lol...
@@croweater1 Like basically every country that hijacked Marxism for their own political purposes. Venezuela was wealthy yes, but that was from its resources in oil not from being an industrialized nation. What's even more sad is that they were even terrible at production in spite of that resource.
This guest doesn't know enough about Chinese history to comment on how Chinese view ideologies. Confucianism was never introduced into the Chinese culture widely in its "pure form" as described by Confucius. It was almost immediately heavily modified by Menacus and then by Emperor Wudi himself before ever being introduced to mainstream Chinese culture. It has also been regularly modified, such as during the Song Dynasty. No one ever really cared about what Confucius actually originally taught. As such, why would the Chinese care about "pure Marxism"?
@@GreatEditsEveryDay You need to be careful when you suggest he is an "expert" in everything he says. Based on his comments about China, he is obviously not an expert in modern Chinese history. Instead, he seems to be just another expert on the U.S.S.R., who is willing to talk a lot about China, while only having a superficial knowledge of it.
Mao didn’t like the Soviets checking his poop while they snubbed him…I give Mao credit for being the guy who United China for the first time since the last Dynasty, good, bad or indifferent, he United Mainland China which had been fractured by The Alliance of 8 Nations during the Boxer Rebellion.
@@mrsugar2352 There isnt a single nation on earth which didnt have in some part in its history a massive death toll. Capitalist, feudal, communist, it doesnt matter. Dismissing something just on that point alone just shows how bias you have. we all have but you are on a level were you litteraly ignore history.
@@mrsugar2352you can. You either die a hero or live long enough to see you become the villain. There is nobody in history I can think of this applying more to than Mao. Mao was the greatest warrior China has had for maybe all time. Beat Chiang kai shek with 24:1 odds. Stopped America in Korea. United the country after 200 years of continuous fighting Then killed 40 million people trying to retain power and poorly understanding economics. If he has died in his late 50s, he'd have been a legend. Instead, he is put up there with Stalin who was pretty much a thug from the beginning. Mao was a heroic idealist at the beginning who won at everything. That became a bad thing in his old age when nobody could beat him even when he had stupid ideas
The single common denominator shared by Marx, Lenin, Stalin and Mao: galaxy-sized egos. Communism is the last refuge of the malignant narcissist. No surprise that dictatorships always appear in communism.
Maoism is kind of a deviation of Leninist. Marxist revolutionaries like Fidel Castro, Che Guevara and Ho Chi Minh using Mao playbook. Stalin is a staunch Marxist Leninist and not too much like competition at all. He singlehandedly purge all the old Bolsheviks including Bukharin, Kamenev and Trotsky.
Mao is a hard-core Stalinist. As far as ideology. Their tactics is different. Stalin using the Party apparatus and bureaucratic framework to get power Mao the peasantry is the Vanguard of the revolution.Mao is more grassroots.
How did Mao implement the hundred flowers campaign (1956-1957) as a "way to set things right" after losing prestige from the great leap forward (1958-1962)? The dates don't make sense.
What he’s saying is not history, not even headlines. History background? Social background? Economy background? It’s like he has a few screen shots from a movie and made a story out of it
I assumed Mao asked for criticism/ideas simply to bait opponents out. I recall later on Mao went on a purity crusade aka the "culture revolution" as another balent move against any opposition.
As soon as he opens his mouth, you'd know that he doesn't understand China nor Mao. You need better guest, Lex. Much of what happened in China was/is the result of attempts to solving real problems, the historical background for the formation of the Communist Party of China is that since the late Qing, Westerners started to dump opium to China by gun boats and then by 8-nation coalition forces to take ports/compensation from Qing. Qing was wealthy but weak in technology and military--it was the beginning of the Century of Humiliation starting at the first Opium War launched by the British in 1840, many unequal oppressive and exploitive treaties to follow, lands were taken and great amount of silver were taken. Patriotic youth sought to change that sad and unfortunate situ--even the ppl before CPC, the founding party of ROC (the gov lost Chinese civil war and fled to Taiwan and remains in Taiwan now) KMT party, the founding father's slogan was to drive away the foreign invaders, and resume China. Also because of such history of humiliations imposed by foreign countries on Chinese sovereignty, Mao later was very insistent on the independent sovereignty of China, against the strong and contemptuous wills of Stalin and his successors, which insistence also led to the final breakdown of Sino-USSR relationship (as USSR wanted to set up long wave radio to keep surveillance on the US camp, and a joint navy and Mao insisted that USSR clarify who they are controlled and contended for Chinese control of the long wave radio on Chinese territory). Your guest's skillful labelling and light accusations show that he doesn't understand the nuances at all, what he has is the Western "consensus of labels". It was very complicated and nuanced. It wasn't a plot of Mao to adapt Marxism. China was an agricultural country, more than 95% of its population were agriculture. Some early CPC members did try to follow USSR, but Mao realized that it didn't suit China's specific circumstances. Mao was sidelined for many years until the Red Army was almost destroyed by KMT military, and it had to start the very famous Long March (or you can understand it as strategic flee, but the result turned out to be okay). USSR advisor was proven to be no good for China and almost destroyed the Red Army, and Mao was elected to be the leader in 1935 (b/c nothing else worked and he proved he was right, for the survival of the Red Army). From the establishment of the CPC to defeating the ROC (which fled to Taiwan) and establishing the PRC, it spanned 28 years. KMT military had 4 million ppl, and the CPC side had very few ppl, when the Long March ended in 1935, there were at most 10,000 ppl arrived at Yan An. It's quite miraculous--the most important characteristic about the CPC is seeking truth from facts (always based on reality and pragmatic, they remain this way till today--that's also how CN accomplished the economic miracle in human history). Much of it is rooted in 5000-year Chinese culture. Mao was a very complicated figure--like all great men, actually he wasn't that ideological, all the ideas were derived from solving real problems, including the Cultural Revolution, some were taken to the extreme by ppl under him, not him. Westerners can't understand Mao--one must understand Chinese history (from which Mao drew insight for governing--CN demolished the feudal system, but it had no blue prints to follow to build a modern country), Chinese contemporary history, the specific circumstances of China, the geopolitical environment/international situ at the time, China had 500mil and later 800mil ppl, and very poor with virtually no industry and ROC in Taiwan now stole all China's reserves of gold/silver/FX and relics and shipped them to Taiwan, so PRC was left with nothing--it's a large, poor and very complicated country, anyone sitting in Mao's chair would be responsible for feeding so many ppl first--USSR o/c forced China to do what it desired, but Mao wouldn't have it for China, so USSR turned its back and the US was sanctions/embargoing China--without understanding all those, ideology-based labelling and smearing are too superficial. One must have an attitude of humbleness that we can't really know him, but we can try--not the glib "expert-like" sticking of labels. Chinese are forever grateful to Mao b/c w/o him, China wouldn't have been able to keep independence in front of USSR's pressure/brute force. In addition, if one objectively examine why India hasn't worked but China has, the foundation of every single factor that determined that economic miracle was laid down during Mao's era: land reform, eradicating illiteracy (China had very high rate of illiteracy in 1949, now close to zero), man-woman equality, marriage of free will, laying down a comprehensive foundation of all industries and building infrastructure (this is historically Chinese too)...The West was much more hostile to Mao due to ideology and nefarious motivation projected on Mao, which is born of ignorance/arrogance. Mao changed China and Chinese forever, for the better.
With current social acceptance level being so high in the west, it is very important to meet the idea of communism head on, (if freedom of speech is still intact). Especially when topic is wrapping around current biggest self claimed communist country in the world, self claimed, that is, and it applies to every communist country in the history. Do you think their current leadership believes in their holy grail? You think they still believes in something that never brought prosperity to any country that adopted its form, and they themselves also tried and failed then was forced to (“reform” in 1980) abandoned and forced to open its market to integrate with free market society in order save themselves from overthrow by another idealist regime? Chinese communist party did it in purely for the purpose of mako sure they stays in power! They promised the peasants to give up their life in the process of overthrow Nationalist, but couldn’t live up to their promises, tried Soviets model, didn’t worked; tried their own model (“feeling the rock as crossing the river” is what they called it in their own textbooks), failed again, in the last desperate attempt with hope to prevent another revolution and end up in their worst nightmare, they were forced to adopt free market economics, so people can stop dying and to have chace to survive, basically they had already gave up on pursuing communism then, that’s why they call themselves “communist with Chinese Characteristics”. They have to keep their original slogan “Communism” alive, even though everyone knows it already as dead as coffin nails. That’s why as symbols that they didnt do anything wrong, they still have to kept Mao body in display in Beijing, even he directly cause 40 millions deaths in Great Leap Forward and Culture revolution along. Rest of world had overlooked one of largest body of state that’s outside of free world for too long. Part of west naively thinks that by integrating them economically, that its people will start to change it’s govern body, where they had forgot that Chinese communism party also understood it and maybe that might do something to prevent it from happening? You have to remember, they killed more than 40 million people under their rule after they took power, and they still haven’t got overthrown, maybe that tell you something about how CCP was and is still able to control the people. CCP used the west in last 30-40 years as break time, a break time from getting overthrown by potential rivals from within, a break from another catastrophic revolution, a break from masses start to realize they are just another power hungry dictatorship regime, more importantly, it was an opportunity not only they solidified they power at home, but am golden opportunity strengthen their power on global scale. From a enemy state that west try to stop it from spreading, which back then it just came out of WWII and civil war that follows, with millions and millions casualties and a broken country, to a superpower now, that constantly challenges world rules and orders, cornering and elbowing neighbors, seeing themselves as on path to revivification of Chinese nation, but ultimately librating the world as ultimate purpose and goal of so called communism. Do you know China CCP possess the largest naval force in the world currently? Even it’s not yet the strongest, but the largest? I can’t believe west had not see that coming.
give you some idea, the meaning of China is Nations Centre, the people inside the centre is highly civiliz, the Nations around the centre is sub civilized, outside those Nations are Barbarian. so the people in the centre have higher status, its no reason to bring the lower status people to gain higher status. thats why china do everything pushing outsider come in. aslo 1000 years ago, chinese understand even win the war, always spend more gain less, but trade always making profit. and its CPC, not CCP you cant even get this right.....
He studied at a western university. most communist leaders get an education at a western university, they get brainwashed by the left, then they go and spread communism.
Mao planted the seeds for today's China which is an economic superpower. Millions have went to university and obtained degrees & ended up stuck in some office building. Then they retire & die. Nobody will remember them. We still talk about Mao till this day😀
“Cull ALL the Birds!”-Mao Zedong “Egg Fried Rice anyone?-Mao Anying “Me like left nostril most!”-Mao Xinyu “I’LL plan the economy!”-Mao Jinpork “China is safest county in world!”-Xu Ganlu “Corruption is rampant in China!”-Victor Gao “This is an isolated incident.” - Various CCP officials
Vejas got the time a bit mixed up here. The Hundred Flowers Campaign (百花齊放) was a period from 1956 to 1957. On the other hand, the Great Leap Forward (大躍進) was from 1958 to 1962.
Mao Zedong era From 1971 to 1980, the World Bank's statistics on China's GDP increased threefold from 99.8 billion US dollars (1971) to 306.2 billion US dollars (1980), a contribution from the Mao Zedong era; From 99.8 billion to 306.2 billion, the average annual growth rate over the past decade has been 11.86%. Deng Xiaoping Era From 1981 to 1990, the World Bank's statistics on China's GDP ranged from US$289.6 billion (1981) to US$394.6 billion (1990), an increase of only 36% in ten years. This was a contribution from the Deng Xiaoping era; The average annual growth rate during this decade was approximately 3.14%.
Making a big deal of the 70% (三七开）shows a complete ignorance of the Chinese language or even worse malicious mocking of that culture. You just exposed your own shallowness, Lex.
This guy's knowledge of China & Chinese history is poor. If I want to know about the history of great nations like China, Russia etc I listen to Professor John Mearshimer or Noam Chomsky.
Something interesting I hear many people say (Chinese and non Chinese alike) is China has this ancient culture, 5000 years of continuity. Chinese culture was destroyed, erased, and reforged into something else under Mao’s reign and whatever China was before the CCP came to power does not even bear a superficial resemblance to what they were before it. The campaign against the Four Olds (old customs, old habits, old culture, and old ideas) effectively severed the link between what China was and what it turned into. It wasn’t just destruction of vases, paintings, manuscripts .. it was the wholesale reprogramming of an entire generation and those would couldn’t be reprogramed were killed. To use a more modern marxist phrase China is now “unburdened by what has been”. Ironically, for the CCP at any rate, the only link to traditional Chinese culture can be found in Taiwan.
Bullshit. Taiwan lost it with their form of democracy. Mainland banish the serfdom system, the foot binding., and many more stupid old idees. Mainland more chinese than Taiwan will ever be. Taiwan can't even recognise what a women is. Lol. Some idee are stupid and therefor should be abolish. Taiwan has yet to abolish the feudal system. Mainland did 😂
@@Jin-o9umao encouraged the destruction of ancient artifacts and anything to do with the old dynasty because while they’re buried in these fancy graves, the people are starving. He was blaming their poverty on people who were dead for more than 100 years
@@Jin-o9u you know what’s ironic about people like you is you come and live in the west and then spend all this energy defending the CCP. If it’s so great then just go back.
I don't think punishing outliers is a unique feature of communism, based on historical evidence. However, it's often the case that less competent societies are overconfident enough to implement this model, which could be seen as a classic example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
@@derekgrefsheim2542 what’s the purpose of pointing that out though, cause that i get, but it’s valid to sympathize for people who in a way we don’t know how their ignorance turned them so rotten. It’s saddening wouldn’t you think
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Mao发起大跃进的口号是“赶英超美”，很明显没有把苏联作为目标。这个嘉宾对于Mao的认知太过于幼稚了。
Yes! This is something that almost no one ever understands when people talk about Marx and communism. It's supposed to be born out of an already industrialized nation that has an abundance of resources and advanced systems of production. Creating communism from poverty was never in his analysis.
Like Venezuela?
so then it doesnt work lmaaooooooo most countries arent abundant in all its necessities
you can't create communism from post-industrial societies yet...
but you can use it as a cult to rally a pre-industrial classic peasant rebellion lol...
@@croweater1 Like basically every country that hijacked Marxism for their own political purposes. Venezuela was wealthy yes, but that was from its resources in oil not from being an industrialized nation. What's even more sad is that they were even terrible at production in spite of that resource.
@@p1xelshooter287Russia is probably the most resource abundant nation on the planet. China is no slouch in resources. When does the excuses end?
My paternal grand mom would have died in China during the great leap backward if not for the repeal of the Magnuson Act in 1965.
@@_jamesdphillips if 10 seconds of your life is too much, consider living a simpler life.
This guest doesn't know enough about Chinese history to comment on how Chinese view ideologies. Confucianism was never introduced into the Chinese culture widely in its "pure form" as described by Confucius. It was almost immediately heavily modified by Menacus and then by Emperor Wudi himself before ever being introduced to mainstream Chinese culture. It has also been regularly modified, such as during the Song Dynasty. No one ever really cared about what Confucius actually originally taught. As such, why would the Chinese care about "pure Marxism"?
Best comments, well said
sure you know more than a world-renowned expert and professor on the topic
Lol 😂@@GreatEditsEveryDay
@@GreatEditsEveryDay You need to be careful when you suggest he is an "expert" in everything he says. Based on his comments about China, he is obviously not an expert in modern Chinese history. Instead, he seems to be just another expert on the U.S.S.R., who is willing to talk a lot about China, while only having a superficial knowledge of it.
@@GreatEditsEveryDay I am not sure if he can read the original Chinese history documents. If not he has no way to claim as an expert on China.
Mao didn’t like the Soviets checking his poop while they snubbed him…I give Mao credit for being the guy who United China for the first time since the last Dynasty, good, bad or indifferent, he United Mainland China which had been fractured by The Alliance of 8 Nations during the Boxer Rebellion.
Problem is you can’t just give him credit without acknowledging his massive death toll can you
@@mrsugar2352 There isnt a single nation on earth which didnt have in some part in its history a massive death toll. Capitalist, feudal, communist, it doesnt matter. Dismissing something just on that point alone just shows how bias you have. we all have but you are on a level were you litteraly ignore history.
@@mrsugar2352you can.
You either die a hero or live long enough to see you become the villain.
There is nobody in history I can think of this applying more to than Mao. Mao was the greatest warrior China has had for maybe all time. Beat Chiang kai shek with 24:1 odds. Stopped America in Korea. United the country after 200 years of continuous fighting
Then killed 40 million people trying to retain power and poorly understanding economics. If he has died in his late 50s, he'd have been a legend. Instead, he is put up there with Stalin who was pretty much a thug from the beginning.
Mao was a heroic idealist at the beginning who won at everything. That became a bad thing in his old age when nobody could beat him even when he had stupid ideas
The single common denominator shared by Marx, Lenin, Stalin and Mao: galaxy-sized egos. Communism is the last refuge of the malignant narcissist. No surprise that dictatorships always appear in communism.
I bet you even don't understand Marx!!
. And dont forget Adolf, George Bush, and your founding father
@Jin-o9u
@@jaripekkajekunen2713 sorry my bad
Communism fuels egotism
Maoism is kind of a deviation of Leninist. Marxist revolutionaries like Fidel Castro, Che Guevara and Ho Chi Minh using Mao playbook. Stalin is a staunch Marxist Leninist and not too much like competition at all. He singlehandedly purge all the old Bolsheviks including Bukharin, Kamenev and Trotsky.
so what do you think is the difference between mao and stalin
Mao is a hard-core Stalinist. As far as ideology. Their tactics is different. Stalin using the Party apparatus and bureaucratic framework to get power Mao the peasantry is the Vanguard of the revolution.Mao is more grassroots.
communism is the end point of humanity according to Marx?
Thank you for sharing this
How did Mao implement the hundred flowers campaign (1956-1957) as a "way to set things right" after losing prestige from the great leap forward (1958-1962)? The dates don't make sense.
It is that a speech mistake, hundred flowers campaign (1956-1957) created the great leap forward (1958-1962).
I'm here last
What he’s saying is not history, not even headlines. History background? Social background? Economy background? It’s like he has a few screen shots from a movie and made a story out of it
like make a story from few pages of power point.
@@jxmai7687 it worse than that imo. Feels like that you are splitting hairs between a novel writer and those so called experts nowadays lol
Lysencoism is making a comeback in the West
Absolutely
I assumed Mao asked for criticism/ideas simply to bait opponents out. I recall later on Mao went on a purity crusade aka the "culture revolution" as another balent move against any opposition.
As soon as he opens his mouth, you'd know that he doesn't understand China nor Mao. You need better guest, Lex.
Much of what happened in China was/is the result of attempts to solving real problems, the historical background for the formation of the Communist Party of China is that since the late Qing, Westerners started to dump opium to China by gun boats and then by 8-nation coalition forces to take ports/compensation from Qing. Qing was wealthy but weak in technology and military--it was the beginning of the Century of Humiliation starting at the first Opium War launched by the British in 1840, many unequal oppressive and exploitive treaties to follow, lands were taken and great amount of silver were taken. Patriotic youth sought to change that sad and unfortunate situ--even the ppl before CPC, the founding party of ROC (the gov lost Chinese civil war and fled to Taiwan and remains in Taiwan now) KMT party, the founding father's slogan was to drive away the foreign invaders, and resume China. Also because of such history of humiliations imposed by foreign countries on Chinese sovereignty, Mao later was very insistent on the independent sovereignty of China, against the strong and contemptuous wills of Stalin and his successors, which insistence also led to the final breakdown of Sino-USSR relationship (as USSR wanted to set up long wave radio to keep surveillance on the US camp, and a joint navy and Mao insisted that USSR clarify who they are controlled and contended for Chinese control of the long wave radio on Chinese territory).
Your guest's skillful labelling and light accusations show that he doesn't understand the nuances at all, what he has is the Western "consensus of labels".
It was very complicated and nuanced.
It wasn't a plot of Mao to adapt Marxism. China was an agricultural country, more than 95% of its population were agriculture. Some early CPC members did try to follow USSR, but Mao realized that it didn't suit China's specific circumstances. Mao was sidelined for many years until the Red Army was almost destroyed by KMT military, and it had to start the very famous Long March (or you can understand it as strategic flee, but the result turned out to be okay). USSR advisor was proven to be no good for China and almost destroyed the Red Army, and Mao was elected to be the leader in 1935 (b/c nothing else worked and he proved he was right, for the survival of the Red Army).
From the establishment of the CPC to defeating the ROC (which fled to Taiwan) and establishing the PRC, it spanned 28 years. KMT military had 4 million ppl, and the CPC side had very few ppl, when the Long March ended in 1935, there were at most 10,000 ppl arrived at Yan An.
It's quite miraculous--the most important characteristic about the CPC is seeking truth from facts (always based on reality and pragmatic, they remain this way till today--that's also how CN accomplished the economic miracle in human history). Much of it is rooted in 5000-year Chinese culture.
Mao was a very complicated figure--like all great men, actually he wasn't that ideological, all the ideas were derived from solving real problems, including the Cultural Revolution, some were taken to the extreme by ppl under him, not him.
Westerners can't understand Mao--one must understand Chinese history (from which Mao drew insight for governing--CN demolished the feudal system, but it had no blue prints to follow to build a modern country), Chinese contemporary history, the specific circumstances of China, the geopolitical environment/international situ at the time, China had 500mil and later 800mil ppl, and very poor with virtually no industry and ROC in Taiwan now stole all China's reserves of gold/silver/FX and relics and shipped them to Taiwan, so PRC was left with nothing--it's a large, poor and very complicated country, anyone sitting in Mao's chair would be responsible for feeding so many ppl first--USSR o/c forced China to do what it desired, but Mao wouldn't have it for China, so USSR turned its back and the US was sanctions/embargoing China--without understanding all those, ideology-based labelling and smearing are too superficial. One must have an attitude of humbleness that we can't really know him, but we can try--not the glib "expert-like" sticking of labels.
Chinese are forever grateful to Mao b/c w/o him, China wouldn't have been able to keep independence in front of USSR's pressure/brute force. In addition, if one objectively examine why India hasn't worked but China has, the foundation of every single factor that determined that economic miracle was laid down during Mao's era: land reform, eradicating illiteracy (China had very high rate of illiteracy in 1949, now close to zero), man-woman equality, marriage of free will, laying down a comprehensive foundation of all industries and building infrastructure (this is historically Chinese too)...The West was much more hostile to Mao due to ideology and nefarious motivation projected on Mao, which is born of ignorance/arrogance. Mao changed China and Chinese forever, for the better.
和他们讲这些简直是对牛弹琴，这些人根本对中国的实际情况不感兴趣或不愿意去深究。谈论这个话题只是为了强调他们西方所谓的价值观才是正确的，其它都是异端、邪恶的。以前我还会驳斥他们，但现在我放弃了，他们能听懂的只有实力。终归还是尊严只在剑锋之上，真理只在大炮射程之内。
Maybe you should be a guest on his show. I mean, by the book you just wrote you sure do know a lot, all according to you of course 😂
Beautifully said
he is totally wrong
With current social acceptance level being so high in the west, it is very important to meet the idea of communism head on, (if freedom of speech is still intact). Especially when topic is wrapping around current biggest self claimed communist country in the world, self claimed, that is, and it applies to every communist country in the history. Do you think their current leadership believes in their holy grail? You think they still believes in something that never brought prosperity to any country that adopted its form, and they themselves also tried and failed then was forced to (“reform” in 1980) abandoned and forced to open its market to integrate with free market society in order save themselves from overthrow by another idealist regime? Chinese communist party did it in purely for the purpose of mako sure they stays in power! They promised the peasants to give up their life in the process of overthrow Nationalist, but couldn’t live up to their promises, tried Soviets model, didn’t worked; tried their own model (“feeling the rock as crossing the river” is what they called it in their own textbooks), failed again, in the last desperate attempt with hope to prevent another revolution and end up in their worst nightmare, they were forced to adopt free market economics, so people can stop dying and to have chace to survive, basically they had already gave up on pursuing communism then, that’s why they call themselves “communist with Chinese Characteristics”. They have to keep their original slogan “Communism” alive, even though everyone knows it already as dead as coffin nails. That’s why as symbols that they didnt do anything wrong, they still have to kept Mao body in display in Beijing, even he directly cause 40 millions deaths in Great Leap Forward and Culture revolution along. Rest of world had overlooked one of largest body of state that’s outside of free world for too long. Part of west naively thinks that by integrating them economically, that its people will start to change it’s govern body, where they had forgot that Chinese communism party also understood it and maybe that might do something to prevent it from happening? You have to remember, they killed more than 40 million people under their rule after they took power, and they still haven’t got overthrown, maybe that tell you something about how CCP was and is still able to control the people. CCP used the west in last 30-40 years as break time, a break time from getting overthrown by potential rivals from within, a break from another catastrophic revolution, a break from masses start to realize they are just another power hungry dictatorship regime, more importantly, it was an opportunity not only they solidified they power at home, but am golden opportunity strengthen their power on global scale. From a enemy state that west try to stop it from spreading, which back then it just came out of WWII and civil war that follows, with millions and millions casualties and a broken country, to a superpower now, that constantly challenges world rules and orders, cornering and elbowing neighbors, seeing themselves as on path to revivification of Chinese nation, but ultimately librating the world as ultimate purpose and goal of so called communism. Do you know China CCP possess the largest naval force in the world currently? Even it’s not yet the strongest, but the largest? I can’t believe west had not see that coming.
give you some idea, the meaning of China is Nations Centre, the people inside the centre is highly civiliz, the Nations around the centre is sub civilized, outside those Nations are Barbarian. so the people in the centre have higher status, its no reason to bring the lower status people to gain higher status. thats why china do everything pushing outsider come in. aslo 1000 years ago, chinese understand even win the war, always spend more gain less, but trade always making profit. and its CPC, not CCP you cant even get this right.....
Mastery over Nature by sheer acts of will, disasterous attempt
misconception, a hundred flowers campaign was before the great leap which was resulted by crushing down the different voices or the hundred flowers.
Did Mao spend even one day in school?
He studied at a western university. most communist leaders get an education at a western university, they get brainwashed by the left, then they go and spread communism.
Mao planted the seeds for today's China which is an economic superpower. Millions have went to university and obtained degrees & ended up stuck in some office building. Then they retire & die. Nobody will remember them. We still talk about Mao till this day😀
Xue Hua Piao Piao
Not 69 😂
“Cull ALL the Birds!”-Mao Zedong
“Egg Fried Rice anyone?-Mao Anying
“Me like left nostril most!”-Mao Xinyu
“I’LL plan the economy!”-Mao Jinpork
“China is safest county in world!”-Xu Ganlu
“Corruption is rampant in China!”-Victor Gao
“This is an isolated incident.” - Various CCP officials
"L.Mao" Mao Lafing
I m here first
Good for you
@@HeilwoodBeagleshistory requires pioneers to trailblaze the way for the rest of us.
@@serfandterf 😆
This guy is Brilliant and 💯 percent correct! Thank You Lex
Don't forget Fauci science.
800 million people were uplifted out of poverty because of him.
Anyone else seeing the parallels with today’s leadership in China? 🫵Looking at you XJ.
Vejas got the time a bit mixed up here. The Hundred Flowers Campaign (百花齊放) was a period from 1956 to 1957. On the other hand, the Great Leap Forward (大躍進) was from 1958 to 1962.
i'm here at the top
Mao Zedong era
From 1971 to 1980, the World Bank's statistics on China's GDP increased threefold from 99.8 billion US dollars (1971) to 306.2 billion US dollars (1980), a contribution from the Mao Zedong era;
From 99.8 billion to 306.2 billion, the average annual growth rate over the past decade has been 11.86%.
Deng Xiaoping Era
From 1981 to 1990, the World Bank's statistics on China's GDP ranged from US$289.6 billion (1981) to US$394.6 billion (1990), an increase of only 36% in ten years. This was a contribution from the Deng Xiaoping era;
The average annual growth rate during this decade was approximately 3.14%.
Making a big deal of the 70% (三七开）shows a complete ignorance of the Chinese language or even worse malicious mocking of that culture. You just exposed your own shallowness, Lex.
This guy's knowledge of China & Chinese history is poor. If I want to know about the history of great nations like China, Russia etc I listen to Professor John Mearshimer or Noam Chomsky.
I am tired of so called China experts who don't even know the timeline of major events in contemporary China.
only by listening the first 3 mins he will be wrong and wrong and wrong. talking about something part by part, can never be right.
I’m here in the middle
Something interesting I hear many people say (Chinese and non Chinese alike) is China has this ancient culture, 5000 years of continuity. Chinese culture was destroyed, erased, and reforged into something else under Mao’s reign and whatever China was before the CCP came to power does not even bear a superficial resemblance to what they were before it. The campaign against the Four Olds (old customs, old habits, old culture, and old ideas) effectively severed the link between what China was and what it turned into. It wasn’t just destruction of vases, paintings, manuscripts .. it was the wholesale reprogramming of an entire generation and those would couldn’t be reprogramed were killed. To use a more modern marxist phrase China is now “unburdened by what has been”. Ironically, for the CCP at any rate, the only link to traditional Chinese culture can be found in Taiwan.
Bullshit. Taiwan lost it with their form of democracy. Mainland banish the serfdom system, the foot binding., and many more stupid old idees. Mainland more chinese than Taiwan will ever be. Taiwan can't even recognise what a women is. Lol. Some idee are stupid and therefor should be abolish. Taiwan has yet to abolish the feudal system. Mainland did 😂
So Feudal system and foot binding is something to admire? Also you tell me how Taiwan has preserved the culture better than mainland?
@@Jin-o9umao encouraged the destruction of ancient artifacts and anything to do with the old dynasty because while they’re buried in these fancy graves, the people are starving. He was blaming their poverty on people who were dead for more than 100 years
Well said comrade 👏
@@Jin-o9u you know what’s ironic about people like you is you come and live in the west and then spend all this energy defending the CCP. If it’s so great then just go back.
I don't think punishing outliers is a unique feature of communism, based on historical evidence. However, it's often the case that less competent societies are overconfident enough to implement this model, which could be seen as a classic example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
It baffles me how Lex can listen quietly to such bullshit without calling this guy out. Typical western arrogance.
‘Western arrogance.’ Typical from you guys.
You must not have watched him lately. He's known for not pushing back!
Hey Lex, just curious you have any plan to visit China? Probably you will have some new ideas
This guy seems like a sympathizer by his descriptions and word choice
Elaborate
He's speaking in the way the communists write it. He's explaining the mindset and reasoning of mao... your just not cultured yet
@@derekgrefsheim2542 what’s the purpose of pointing that out though, cause that i get, but it’s valid to sympathize for people who in a way we don’t know how their ignorance turned them so rotten. It’s saddening wouldn’t you think