Optimised Color Mixing and Picking - Shapez 2 MAM Build EP14
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ก.ย. 2024
- In this episode of our Shapez 2 MAM build, with a functional prototype of the completed 4 layer MAM it's time to tune and optimise everything. We start with the color mixer and try to compact the process to speed up the MAM
FULL PLAYLIST: • Shapez 2 - MaM Build
BLUEPRINTS: drive.google.c...
Seeing everybody's mam designs would be a lot of fun
I agree that would be lots of fun!!!
I like the idea of mixing colors in the MAM to save some space/length and switched to it from my previous seven color setup. I think however that I found a slightly simplified setup in terms of pipeing and especially logic: I mix all 4 colors in two 2x1 blocks and at the very end select the color to use from 3x7 pipes with 21 pipe gates to feed 3 launchers. This eliminates the need for any mixing logic at the cost of individual mixers: 24 instead of just 12. This also allows for a very short output pipe which has to drain when the requested color is changed.
You should check the throughput a single pipe can handle. You can pretty much link up 4 fluid launchers/catchers to one pipe, removing the need to cross over 3 pipes of color to the next module
Pipe Gate in the wires section reduces fluid by 50% for some reason. Even though it says it should let all out, it doesn't. So one color going through multiple gates brings it down again by 50%. So a 100% starter pipe can easily be reduced to 12.5% by the time it gets to the painter. Adding more fluid gates in the same area for some reason allows the full amount through.
I really love your dynamic color mixer. Other people's MAM's I've seen input every color and it seems like a huge waste. This way is super compact and totally sufficient (especially now!). I'd really like a copy of it when you get a chance to push to main ;). I've been using your blueprints and optimized the Top Half/Bottom Half/Final Shape to include the logic and rotation, and also put the rotation on to the quarterers (so far). Maybe Crystalizer next? Keep up the great work!
Oh yes, okay I was just going to blueprint the final MAM 2.0 after ep 18 but sure I can blueprint each section if you like
I completely agree, the dynamic color mixer is the one thing i want to add to my current MAM! I didnt even think about it until he did it!
@@DataEngineerPlays I've used a couple of different blueprints as modules from other TH-camrs to build my MAM as I find different designs I like, its fun to watch people build things and instead of just yelling at my screen about something I think you could have done differently I can just go grab the blueprint and do it myself :D. I know its kinda a pain to update each blueprint then upload them, so I really appreciate anyone that has them available when they can. Thanks again!
You can fit your paint mixing in a 1x3! Someone probably already said it but 4 jumper fills 1 pipe
Not sure if you have but you could reduce the size of your shape selector to a 1x4 or a 2x4 if you use all 4 lanes going out instead of using the same one then you could use a single full 12 belt painter by just combining all of you mixer output onto a single space pipe with each mixer sectuon being a single column of the paint. Might have to switch from combine the pipes horizontally on the painter to vertically to reduce pipe amount.
No I don't think I ever manage to get it that compact. I could iterate on the design for 40 more episodes if I really wanted to honestly!
you don't need to reduce the platform when you're compressing designs. Build everything on a 3x3, then just compress the components then you can fit multiple parts on the same platform, your only limited by the number of ports on a 3x3 for the amount of modules you can squeeze in.
also 1 3x3 has more tiles than 9 1x1s due to the border space being filled in
c'mon 1:05 - "I dont have all of that";
clearly you're underestimating the power of a discord chat.
Haha one day. Maybe in a couple weeks after I get back from vacation I'll set one up!
@@DataEngineerPlays xD take your time, I'm just mocking
Why not pass output of a painter through the color mixer? That's one belt. Just make sure it jumps all the way to pass it asap.
Just waiting for the final thing as a complete new guy to shapez and not knowing at all how to make a mam or know the whole wiring thing, I wish I did though
would it be possible to put ALL the logic on discrete platforms and only pass the signals?
Loving this content!
Probably misinterpreting, but wouldn't that mean your MAM is wider/longer with more platforms? the more platforms the slower the MAM
@@DataEngineerPlays Depends where you put them, I suppose. Sometimes I just have too much logic to fit on a single platform that's already full of belts and machines. So I put an adjacent platform that only contains the logic gates and wiring, then send the signal over to the other and just wire it into the gates.
You were testing Color Mixing too close to your camera, so sneaky Pipe Gates pass all what they can, but if you move your camera away for awhile they start slacking -_-
Yes I wish they fix that soon
How do you make it smaller? Stop wasting 12 pipes of floor space when 3 pipes will do. 4 launchers saturate a pipe. 1 pipe per floor. Every launcher has its own mini vat that must fill and drain. That's a huge source of your lag. Route pipes up and down in a knotwork of pipes and hop them as little as possible.
I hate how you take the single source signal, do the logic once, and then triplicate the routing across each floor. You have 12 signal transmitters (some sitting in the hopped space of a pipe!!) instead of one hop and splitting a wire at the pipe gates. You test EQ White on all three floors instead of running a wire up.
You're too hung up on having 3 similar planes with 2 color mixers on it (per floor) instead of realizing that all 6 color mixers' output is 3/4 of a single pipe and can all fit on one floor. This also gives you more flexibility to route the wiring and pipe work. (per platform)
A 1 space tile platform isn't three 14 by 14 planes. It is a single 14 by 14 by 3 volume.
I think my brain just defaults to "do things once copy things up 3 floors" but you're right... I should try to think more vertically as well, if I have 6 mixers across 3 levels they could totally share 1 pipe
The signal sourcing thing is definitely just laziness... I know I can do the logic once and take the signal up
@@DataEngineerPlays Same. I dislike routing things on upper levels and prefer to have them all on one layer so everything can be simply copied upwards. But I've slowly come to realise that that only makes sense for shape belts. For pipes, it seems much better to avoid fluid launchers since you need 4 launchers (1800/m) for each full pipe (7200/m) and each launcher has a buffer which takes time to fill and discharge.
hi, how many lines do you have at the end of production?
3x4=12 lines?
correct
@@DataEngineerPlays even if you have a perfect circle with 4 different colors?
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@@floriandrone I believe that wouldn't be an issue unless I've done something very wrong with my maths.
I have 12 belts of circles inputting.
It would take 3 belts for the top left, quarter into a full belt of 12
3 belts for the top right, quarter into full 12 belts
3 belts for bottom left etc etc etc
It would consume the entire input of 12 belts of circles, but should produce a full 12 belts of circles in return
@@DataEngineerPlays from my point of view if you have 3 belts per corner. you will have 3 belts left for your final piece.
because you have 3 lines per corner that you merge to have a complete piece.
3*4*(1/4)=3
@@floriandrone each belt of 3 goes through a 1 to 4 quartering process after they get painted turning 3 belts to 12 belts. Which happens on each quarter. So there will be 48 belts of quarter circled that get pieced back together to 12 belts of full circle
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