Frank Herbert's point was never to discuss whether Paul was a Messiah or not, he was, the real point was that Messiahs are bad for society. Actual quote from the book - "No more terrible disaster could befall your people than for them to fall into the hands of a hero."
Herbert was a genius. The story is very complex and I think Grace once again missed the point. But I am glad that she at least didn't "fall asleep" on this one. I loved both part One and Two. I think Chalamet was able to portray the inner turmoil that Paul has to push through. Thanks!
@@jadedspadesindeed part one and part two were amazing and part three will be for sure too. 23 books in the meantime and even comics what quite impressive. The messiah topic goes through several books and who didn’t get it in part two will certainly gets it in part three, cant wait
also the evolution of religion for good or lets be honest it's always for the worst as a Muslim i was fascinated by dune cause frank Herbert used a lot of stuff from Islam and i know it doesn't exactly puts us in the best light but that's the point
@@jurgenmathiae6682 I wouldn’t recommend reading anything in the Dune series not written by Frank Herbert(the first 6 books). Brian Herbert perverted and misfolded his father’s story into a mindless Star Wars style story for profit.
There is just a lot of nuance to so many of the scenes. For example, when Paul defeats Feyd, it's in the same way he loses to Gurney during the first movie. Paul thinks he has landed the killing blow on Gurney but Gurney's knife is already pressed up to Paul's stomach below. Feyd thinks he has Paul checkmated but then gets stabbed through the stomach.
@@Xavier-ty4jw Feyd's new blade, he asked his girls what they wanted to eat. Then he killed the servant. Second scene, he is on Arrakis, said they haven't eaten since they traveled and killed another. Each time he kills, it was to feed his harem.
Having read the book version of the gladiator scene, I thought they adapted Feyd’s whole approach to fighting so well. Cause in the book it goes into how Feyd very much respects valiant fighters and touches on the idea that if he wasn’t raised in the brutal Harkonnen world where he was taught to deal with tragedy violently, he could’ve ended up more like Paul as a more controlled patient, less impulsive figure. Also loved the way he kinda respects Paul fairly in the end, cause despite the violent front he actually might very much be the most respectful and understanding of the Harkonenns
Been waiting all week for this 😂 Watching Paul change through the movie it reminded of of Eren from Attack on Titan, with the power of seeing both the past and the future, turning them into somewhat emotionless shells of themselves that simply follow what the future has told them already would happen.
Yes! There’s a lot of similarities between the 2 with being able to see a horrific future but destined to move forward no matter what. Also a lot of political maneuvering and fanatical followers.
Paul turned full-Darth Vader by the end. I mean, the robe switch from brown to dark brown is kinda of a gimme. Dune 2 is ABSOLUTELY the Empire Strikes Back of the soon-to-be trilogy. The way Paul acknowledged the Baron as his grandfather, cemented his truth that he was Harkonnen, destined to be one with the enemy of his father and his family. I'd like to think that the Baron died in shock with the realization that even with all his scheming, a grander scheme was in place, even greater than he realized, and he dying with that knowledge. I LOVED the change that he was the one to kill the Baron vs. Lynch's Dune.
I’ve watched it TWICE, the scene that sold me was Paul’s resurrection and his speech towards the Freman leaders, I got so many chills both times such a an amazing movie!
@@AlkalineInsides all I’ve seen is comparisons of Paul to Anakin Skywalker and similar characters. So I know he is forever changed. Also that this series spans generations. I’m not sure how many movies they plan to make but it seems the first three are all the first book.
1 and 2 are based on the first book. Denis hopes to make a third based on the second book Dune: Messiah. After that Paul is no longer the central character.
The Bene Gesserit are very cynical in creating or adjusting religions to suit their purposes. Chani was right in saying that's how they are controlled by outsiders, though she became tiresome very quickly.
@@JGeeNbDZZU8k9YHfsxkcZFumFiXBhj For some reason they didn't want her to be a lovey-dovey girl that seduces Paul. I don't know why he'd be attracted to "angry girl" unless something happened in the first movie, which I haven't seen.
_God Emperor of Dune_ was my favorite of the books. But I think they don't expect a work titled "God Emperor" to do well. They also avoided "Messiah" in the title of the sy-fy series.
It's a good thing Dune 2 & Oppenheimer don't have to go up against each other @Oscars! Definitely think Denis with any 5 from both Dune movies, Sicario, Arrival, Blade Runner 2049 & Prisoners can go toe-to-toe with Nolan in a Top 5 debate :) Hoping for an $80m+ domestic opening wkend for Dune 2 🤞
Still Nolan here. Considering Batman Begins/Dark Knight EIther or, Momento, Prestige, and Interstellar. Its actually not even close. Dune 2 Rules and is still not as good as any of Nolans best.
Paul cannot be a real messiah because, as far as I'm aware, there is no God in the Dune universe. Paul is the result of the Bene Gesserit's careful crossing of bloodlines, mentat training (human supercomputer) and sword training by some of the best fighters in the universe. Over the centuries, the Bene Gesserit have popularized a profecy that says there will be someone like Paul coming in the future. So when Paul comes to Arrakis and the spice boosts his mentals capacities and visions, he becomes the Kwisatz Haderach, but it's the result of planning and training, not intervention from God. Although it is hard to see how the tear situation could be engineered, I agree
Yes they seeded that propaganda and religions around the universe. But they still were designing a human mind capable of becoming superhuman and seeing through time. Which is actually true. So it’s both a story they pushed but something they were genetically engineering. If you can see the future you basically fulfill both destinies anyway.
Although I do understand your distinction - Paul is not divine, he is in fact the Messiah for the Fremen. The Bene Geserit created him and created the prophecy only be could fulfill there. He is the fulfillment of their political aspirations, but also this fulfills the religious aspirations of the Fremen. We see the distinction because we are outside observers to this universe.
As I continued to watch the movie I was amazed at the richness of the story. I genuinely got scared of Paul as he transitioned into the Messiah figure willing to go to war
I love the book story of Dune and I didnt know if Chalamet could bring the Paul I envisioned in the second half of the book to life... But he did. Incredible acting.
I'm noticing a significant portion of younger generation Z viewers are struggling to connect with the deliberate pacing and complex worldbuilding of Dune, finding it dense or dull at points rather than gripping. This could speak to broader trends around shorter attention spans and accessibility standards in media, though also highlights the challenges in adapting such a sprawling novel series. While Dune has resonated critically and with whole generations of audiences, its philosophical and political depth may not be as accessible for viewers accustomed to more straightforward plot dynamics and worldbuilding unfortunately.
In the books, the sand worms would tire out from being used as “vehicles” by the time the rider reached their destination. Much easier to get off a worm than on one. 😂
I mean, he handled it far better in the book and the rapport he has with Chani is a stark contrast with his supposed wife especially in the second book. I hope DV can explain that in the upcoming movie.
@@azmodanpcBut Messiah is set 15 years in the future, im unsure how denis is going to lead into part 3 without having a 15 year time jump at start of movie and yet still explain how chani and paul are still together.
I haven’t read Messiah (yet) but Paul said in the movie that he foresees that Chani would understand or implied some reconciliation. I was hoping to hear the line from the book that Paul would marry Irulan but she would be a wife in name only, but that obv never came.
I read the books and love how much more sophisticated they are. Nonetheless, I still appreciate the changes made for the mainstream audience. I hope it does great because I want to see the rest of the story!!
One detail the movie took out was that Chani was the daughter of a Fremen woman and an imperial planetologist. Her part in the prophecy could have been pre-arranged by the Bene Gesserit, and Paul seeing her in his vision could be his genetic memory from a past Bene Gesserit seeing one of Chani's ancestors.
BABY GOATS! What a colorful and important point Grace, I think this cast really will be looked back on as a collection of acting GOATs all in their early shine. A couple of story points you might find interesting: 1. Chani's name had originally come from "some stupid prophecy", so in a way her fulfilling the prophecy can still be seen as a Bene Gesseritt manipulation - this might point to why Jessica was so insistent on her being the one to revive Paul. 2. The sand compactors were shown by Duncan Idaho in the first movie and explain how the Fremen hide in the sand and build their tents in them - it sense out sonic vibrations in the sand that cause it to become liquid -like. The sandworms use a version of this to move through the desert - it's based on real physics! 3. This is strictly a book detail but in the novel, the Fremen have actually developed the ability to heal cuts quickly to preserve their bodies' water content - a mix of evolution and one of the health benefits of the spice melange. This is why book readers were not surprised to see Paul survive several cuts at the end.
I watchit last night and this was the best Space Opera I have seen in the theatres to date. Star Wars which heavily borrowed from the Dune series pales in comparison. It is an intelligent and artistic film.
I noticed that but I searched within myself and realized maybe I learned to expect lengthier action scenes because of all the other blockbusters I’ve seen. I learned to embrace the direction Denis had for this film and not compare it to other films. The action felt appropriate for the story trying to be told.
He is the messiah, but the messiah has nothing divine attached to it, it's manufactured by the Bene Gesserit, which also explains everything you discuss during the "he is the Nexus, at the right time", that's not by chance, even if it happens 1 generation too soon.
Great review! As a book person I love seeing something so well done even if the source material is slightly altered. This was my favorite cinematic EXPERIENCE in many years. Can’t wait to see it again in imax.
I really like how the final duel really contrasted Paul's and Fey'd characters. For Feyd pain is pleasure: he relishes and enjoys pain. Instead of quickly ending Paul when he had the upper hand he slowly approaches and wants to make the whole thing intimate almost. Whereas for Paul pain is purpose: he knew he had to get close to Feyd, pain be dammned, so he can deliver the killing blow. Fascinating stuff
SPOILER: The scene where all of the Fremen attack the emperor and the reveal of the multiple sandworms coming out of the storm? FULL BODY CHILLS. I’ve genuinely never had a movie give me such a purely emotional reaction like that. At that moment I thought to myself, “Am I seeing the LotR of my generation?” So so good.
Zendaya’s Chani is my favorite character. She’s the most grounded character to me. She falls in love with Paul when he shows his sincerity in wanting to fight with the Fremen. But once she sees that Paul’s ambitions are outgrowing her desires to free her people, she abandons him, choosing not to follow him. She sees through all the Bene Gesserit manipulation and constantly questions and pushes back against the “miracles” she witnesses.
Actually the black & white palette for the harkonnen world is because they orbit a black sun. If you noticed when the Bene Gesserits step into the sunlight area of the arena, their cloaks turn from black to white. And when they are inside buildings, we see everyone in color.
Even with the changes from the book, Denis Villeneuve managed to make Dune Part 2 an amazing cinematic experience. I'm eagerly waiting for Part 3 to come out to see how his vision for this epic story will conclude. Hans Zimmer also upped his game in this sequel, which I partially listened to before watching the movie. Wow. Zimmer's score is just stunning. Anyone going out to see this movie, really owes it to themselves to see this in IMAX if possible
They did a lot of 'popping up out of the sand' in the first movie too ❤ I did love how the Giedi Prime 'black sun' made everything black & white (though indoors was pretty monochrome too, with only hints of blue & green) 😄
I would actually compare this movie more to TROY starring Brad Pitt, Orlando Bloom and Eric Bana (which came out 20 years ago!) moreso than Batman and TDK.
@@matiasdevaglia4541 yes I know but I actually enjoyed Dune Part 1 more. Maybe its just my taste, or maybe i went in with misplaced ideas from the excellent 2nd trailer and the "glow up" comparisons from BB to TDK, but the analogy just doesn't fit imo. But throughout the entire movie I kept thinking of Troy. The war to please a ruler's hubris, the reluctant warrior, the love of a good woman being the only motivation to keep going despite all odds, etc.
Troy is the movie that changed Brad Pitts career. He hated it so much he refused to do a blockbuster after that. He refuses to watch it. He considered it the opposite type of movie he wanted to be remembered for.
@@MaxxRemKing1 LOL youre saying he thinks Mr & Mrs Smith is a better product of his film career? idts. Troy is the last big movie he got to make before wasting his life on Angelina
wow great review Grace, but the messiah I think ending with Chani not agreeing with what is going on, show how Paul is going through the wrong path, I like this change from the book
yes I think the way they will do the next movie, is that she's pregnant with the twins, Paul come back to her after the war, and princess Florence gives her birth control so Shani dosent get to have the heirs of Paul but fails and is responsible of shani's death after giving birth to the twins
I've been a fan of Timothee Chalamet since I first saw him in "Call Me By Your Name." He is just incredible. He and his agent deserve some awards because they have outstanding taste in film projects. I think Dune could make a good Game of Thrones-type HBO series at some point. I've also become a huge fan of Dene Villanova and his aesthetic.
My most anticipated part of Paul's story is the moment when a student outperform their teachers and infuse all that lessons in Arrakis which makes him the real deal. What i found surprising is despite everyone call him the real deal, he doesn't want to just take that title the easy way, he wants to do the hardwork to prove to mostly himself (and others) that earn it, and that also speaks to his long term thinking that by doing that, he'll be able to convince the skeptics in the Fremen to accept him as their own and gain an absolute loyalty from the whole Fremen. That's a quality trait of leadership
After drinking the blue liquid, Paul can see various paths to completing his mission. He recognizes a hard option path, which is why he repeatedly tells Chani that he loves her to death. Because this difficult path involves challenging the emperor and especially marrying Princess Irulan.
He saw multiple outcomes . Just choose the one the thought had less “ bad “ consequences for the Universe. Even if it was the worse for his own person and family .
I thought a little differently about the end fight wish they did longer shots so u can see the good choreo clearer. The editing is so choppy. Maybe they had to cut it up so much bc they had to use stunt doubles too much. But the sound design was so good u really felt the hits and when they got stabbed amazing.
WHY do so many people boil down the end with Chani's reaction as just a "haha yay you go girl!" woman scorned moment...? She was drastically different from the book, but even the movie version of Chani is deeper than so many (at least in the scope of critics/reviews) people seem to realize. I absolutely LOVE that I can watch someone call this an intellectual blockbuster, while at the same time providing surface level "hur dur thats my girl boss" forms of commentary.
I didn't see part one; was she nice and charming in that movie? I can't see Paul falling for such a b**** in this movie when there would have been so many women fawning over him as this religious figure, though the women shown with Chani were scorning and mocking him.
I love what they did with Zendaya's character, and I like Zendaya as an actress, but I really think she was bad in this film. She felt like a Californian among the Fremen.
I never read the books, but its been implied that paul became almost invinsible or immortal after drinking the water of life. Thus beaing able to sustain two blade wounds and surviving so many battles.
I liked Dune part 2 more than part 1 but I'm disappointed that they completely changed the ending. They shortened the final battle drastically and I thought Walken as the Emporer fell flat. They completely eliminated the Guild navigators as well. These are crucial elements to the story. The duel with Feyd Rautha as well was dramatically changed. The fight scenes were great but key elements were changed which upset me. They chose to highlight Paul's accension as the Messiah which was important, but they needed to flesh out imperial politics more.
It's been awhile since I read the book or watched the Sy-Fy series, but I sensed something was off in the finale. He was supposed to put down Princess Irulan, for instance, saying he'd never give her his heir.
Hollywood loves recycling the same actors. The trailers playing before this movie, I was thinking where are all the thousands of actors trying to make it.
My big question is that we saw how the rider gets on one of those worms, so how do others get on for transportation? Do the worms make a pit stop and wait for other ppl to hop aboard?
Finally saw Dune 2 on it's second week. Avoided spoilers (I have never read the books) but it was worth it. Since you mention 4DX experience, I am very temped to see it again in 4DX for that experience.
So grateful Grace continues to be such an intelligent, thoughtful, and fun content creator in this space! I keep coming back and evangelizing this channel ❤
Thank you for the review and work done Grace ! Your optimism almost made me smile at this movie but couldn’t enjoy it as much you did , read the books , first book it’s not my favorite , though I do enjoy the princess ark through her actions in the empire , and I hope this saga can keep growing more opportunities for other stories that take more updated content
Frank Herbert's point was never to discuss whether Paul was a Messiah or not, he was, the real point was that Messiahs are bad for society. Actual quote from the book - "No more terrible disaster could befall your people than for them to fall into the hands of a hero."
Herbert was a genius. The story is very complex and I think Grace once again missed the point. But I am glad that she at least didn't "fall asleep" on this one. I loved both part One and Two. I think Chalamet was able to portray the inner turmoil that Paul has to push through. Thanks!
@@jadedspadesindeed part one and part two were amazing and part three will be for sure too. 23 books in the meantime and even comics what quite impressive. The messiah topic goes through several books and who didn’t get it in part two will certainly gets it in part three, cant wait
@@jurgenmathiae6682 same. I am so looking forward to watching part 2 again and Messiah. Can not wait. Make it now, lol.
also the evolution of religion for good or lets be honest it's always for the worst as a Muslim i was fascinated by dune cause frank Herbert used a lot of stuff from Islam and i know it doesn't exactly puts us in the best light but that's the point
@@jurgenmathiae6682 I wouldn’t recommend reading anything in the Dune series not written by Frank Herbert(the first 6 books). Brian Herbert perverted and misfolded his father’s story into a mindless Star Wars style story for profit.
There is just a lot of nuance to so many of the scenes. For example, when Paul defeats Feyd, it's in the same way he loses to Gurney during the first movie. Paul thinks he has landed the killing blow on Gurney but Gurney's knife is already pressed up to Paul's stomach below. Feyd thinks he has Paul checkmated but then gets stabbed through the stomach.
Wow I didn't catch that! So coool
Saw it today on IMAX in Sydney. Visually stunning, but I think if you don’t already know the story, the narrative is missing.
@@willcc3I don't think it's missing. But, just like with the first movie, you do need to actually think about things.
Great use of foreshadowing
An question. Paul got stab twice how come he didn't die? and looks less built-up(he is skinny)
The Bene Gesserit did such a good job planting the seeds that they have almost convinced Grace that Paul is the Messiah
Grace: "That's great writing." Dune Book Readers: "We know. We've been saying it for years." 🤣
This film is not from Dune book 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@radeknekola9040 yes it is 🥴🥴
@@irish6783 no stop this🤭🤣🤣
@@radeknekola9040you may need to read it again then
Many lines in the film are directly from the book. The book explores many complex ideas, this being why it has been so hard to adapt.
Did you notice.... Fayd's harem were cannibalistic?
How so?
@@Xavier-ty4jw Feyd's new blade, he asked his girls what they wanted to eat. Then he killed the servant.
Second scene, he is on Arrakis, said they haven't eaten since they traveled and killed another. Each time he kills, it was to feed his harem.
Ya you’re correct hahah. Pretty simple to understand
His harpies were sooo cool. Little details like them make it
I wondered if that was a general Harkonen thing. So it was just them?
The speech Paul gave to the southern Fremon deserved to be mentioned. Very powerful moment.
One of the few moments of cinema where I literally got goosebumps.
Bill Pullman did it better
That was my favorite scene in this movie full of incredible scenes!
@@jrm371 same
About the mouse scene with the snorkels, you can hear a muffled Paul tell the mouse to go away but it’s BARELY audible. At least in my showing
Subtitles helped.
Having read the book version of the gladiator scene, I thought they adapted Feyd’s whole approach to fighting so well. Cause in the book it goes into how Feyd very much respects valiant fighters and touches on the idea that if he wasn’t raised in the brutal Harkonnen world where he was taught to deal with tragedy violently, he could’ve ended up more like Paul as a more controlled patient, less impulsive figure. Also loved the way he kinda respects Paul fairly in the end, cause despite the violent front he actually might very much be the most respectful and understanding of the Harkonenns
Been waiting all week for this 😂
Watching Paul change through the movie it reminded of of Eren from Attack on Titan, with the power of seeing both the past and the future, turning them into somewhat emotionless shells of themselves that simply follow what the future has told them already would happen.
Yes! There’s a lot of similarities between the 2 with being able to see a horrific future but destined to move forward no matter what. Also a lot of political maneuvering and fanatical followers.
Paul turned full-Darth Vader by the end. I mean, the robe switch from brown to dark brown is kinda of a gimme. Dune 2 is ABSOLUTELY the Empire Strikes Back of the soon-to-be trilogy.
The way Paul acknowledged the Baron as his grandfather, cemented his truth that he was Harkonnen, destined to be one with the enemy of his father and his family. I'd like to think that the Baron died in shock with the realization that even with all his scheming, a grander scheme was in place, even greater than he realized, and he dying with that knowledge. I LOVED the change that he was the one to kill the Baron vs. Lynch's Dune.
Thats interest! Who killed the Baron in the the David Lynch film?
I’ve watched it TWICE, the scene that sold me was Paul’s resurrection and his speech towards the Freman leaders, I got so many chills both times such a an amazing movie!
I paused the review to say “if the Met gala had fight sequences” is great and I agree.
Met gala is high art? Hmm. One learns something new about American culture everyday.
The Bene Gesserit are so fascinating to me I don't think I can wait anymore to spoil the full story for a part 3
What will part 3 be like ?
@@AlkalineInsides all I’ve seen is comparisons of Paul to Anakin Skywalker and similar characters. So I know he is forever changed. Also that this series spans generations. I’m not sure how many movies they plan to make but it seems the first three are all the first book.
1 and 2 are based on the first book. Denis hopes to make a third based on the second book Dune: Messiah.
After that Paul is no longer the central character.
The thing is that Paul IS the Kwisatz Haderach; the Messiah myth is clearly a fabrication of the Bene Gesserit.
Not leto 2 is the real KH
Exactly
The Bene Gesserit are very cynical in creating or adjusting religions to suit their purposes. Chani was right in saying that's how they are controlled by outsiders, though she became tiresome very quickly.
@@sandal_thong8631 Perfectly said. It is also tiresome how cynical she is about Paul, even though she loves him.
@@JGeeNbDZZU8k9YHfsxkcZFumFiXBhj For some reason they didn't want her to be a lovey-dovey girl that seduces Paul. I don't know why he'd be attracted to "angry girl" unless something happened in the first movie, which I haven't seen.
This is probably the peak of this franchise. It doesn't get better than this.
The 2nd movie in a good trilogy is always the best.
Nahh part one is better.
@@Denariusjay It's like saying the Star Wars prequels are better because we get to know the characters.
@@Denariusjay More action in Part Two
_God Emperor of Dune_ was my favorite of the books. But I think they don't expect a work titled "God Emperor" to do well. They also avoided "Messiah" in the title of the sy-fy series.
I thought the stare down looks between the reverend mothers was hilarious.
I love that part when Paul say to Feyd:
“May Thy Knife Chip & Shatter”
And he smirks & says it right back to Paul
Literally just got out of the theatre for this movie
Yeah i got out at 1am and popped on Dune on Max as soon as I got home.
Was it worth the effort?
It's a good thing Dune 2 & Oppenheimer don't have to go up against each other @Oscars! Definitely think Denis with any 5 from both Dune movies, Sicario, Arrival, Blade Runner 2049 & Prisoners can go toe-to-toe with Nolan in a Top 5 debate :) Hoping for an $80m+ domestic opening wkend for Dune 2 🤞
I mean Denis last 5 movies are better than Nolan’s.
Still Nolan here. Considering Batman Begins/Dark Knight EIther or, Momento, Prestige, and Interstellar. Its actually not even close. Dune 2 Rules and is still not as good as any of Nolans best.
I never read the books, but I gotta say, this definitely was an epic sci fi movie. Surprisingly well shot, directed and acted.
this may be one of the best adaptations of a book i’ve ever seen. you can term it was made with love and reverence for the source material
Paul cannot be a real messiah because, as far as I'm aware, there is no God in the Dune universe. Paul is the result of the Bene Gesserit's careful crossing of bloodlines, mentat training (human supercomputer) and sword training by some of the best fighters in the universe. Over the centuries, the Bene Gesserit have popularized a profecy that says there will be someone like Paul coming in the future. So when Paul comes to Arrakis and the spice boosts his mentals capacities and visions, he becomes the Kwisatz Haderach, but it's the result of planning and training, not intervention from God. Although it is hard to see how the tear situation could be engineered, I agree
Yes they seeded that propaganda and religions around the universe. But they still were designing a human mind capable of becoming superhuman and seeing through time. Which is actually true. So it’s both a story they pushed but something they were genetically engineering. If you can see the future you basically fulfill both destinies anyway.
Although I do understand your distinction - Paul is not divine, he is in fact the Messiah for the Fremen. The Bene Geserit created him and created the prophecy only be could fulfill there. He is the fulfillment of their political aspirations, but also this fulfills the religious aspirations of the Fremen. We see the distinction because we are outside observers to this universe.
As I continued to watch the movie I was amazed at the richness of the story. I genuinely got scared of Paul as he transitioned into the Messiah figure willing to go to war
I love the book story of Dune and I didnt know if Chalamet could bring the Paul I envisioned in the second half of the book to life... But he did. Incredible acting.
It was so much more impactuful than I imagined. Holy shit this movie.
this movie will become the biggest litmus test for who lacks media literacy for years to come
🤡
I'm noticing a significant portion of younger generation Z viewers are struggling to connect with the deliberate pacing and complex worldbuilding of Dune, finding it dense or dull at points rather than gripping. This could speak to broader trends around shorter attention spans and accessibility standards in media, though also highlights the challenges in adapting such a sprawling novel series.
While Dune has resonated critically and with whole generations of audiences, its philosophical and political depth may not be as accessible for viewers accustomed to more straightforward plot dynamics and worldbuilding unfortunately.
@@WeylandLabs Dune Part 1 was dull most of the time.
@@aryaman98 Fully disagree! I found Dune Part One to be rich and deliberate.
@@nathanhittle348 Yeah it was deliberate in being dull and boring.
The opening scene alone with the floating soliders was enough to sell me on the movie.
Amazing movie!! I just want to know… was anyone else wondering how they got off of the sand worms when they were riding them??
In the books, the sand worms would tire out from being used as “vehicles” by the time the rider reached their destination. Much easier to get off a worm than on one. 😂
1) He traded up for the Emperor's Daughter
2) Heaven hath no fury like a woman scorned (Zendaya)
I mean, he handled it far better in the book and the rapport he has with Chani is a stark contrast with his supposed wife especially in the second book. I hope DV can explain that in the upcoming movie.
@@azmodanpcBut Messiah is set 15 years in the future, im unsure how denis is going to lead into part 3 without having a 15 year time jump at start of movie and yet still explain how chani and paul are still together.
I haven’t read Messiah (yet) but Paul said in the movie that he foresees that Chani would understand or implied some reconciliation. I was hoping to hear the line from the book that Paul would marry Irulan but she would be a wife in name only, but that obv never came.
I absolutley loved the changes they made. I also absolutley adore everything in this movie
I read the books and love how much more sophisticated they are. Nonetheless, I still appreciate the changes made for the mainstream audience. I hope it does great because I want to see the rest of the story!!
Its an impressive adaptation for sure
One detail the movie took out was that Chani was the daughter of a Fremen woman and an imperial planetologist. Her part in the prophecy could have been pre-arranged by the Bene Gesserit, and Paul seeing her in his vision could be his genetic memory from a past Bene Gesserit seeing one of Chani's ancestors.
BABY GOATS! What a colorful and important point Grace, I think this cast really will be looked back on as a collection of acting GOATs all in their early shine.
A couple of story points you might find interesting:
1. Chani's name had originally come from "some stupid prophecy", so in a way her fulfilling the prophecy can still be seen as a Bene Gesseritt manipulation - this might point to why Jessica was so insistent on her being the one to revive Paul.
2. The sand compactors were shown by Duncan Idaho in the first movie and explain how the Fremen hide in the sand and build their tents in them - it sense out sonic vibrations in the sand that cause it to become liquid -like. The sandworms use a version of this to move through the desert - it's based on real physics!
3. This is strictly a book detail but in the novel, the Fremen have actually developed the ability to heal cuts quickly to preserve their bodies' water content - a mix of evolution and one of the health benefits of the spice melange. This is why book readers were not surprised to see Paul survive several cuts at the end.
I watchit last night and this was the best Space Opera I have seen in the theatres to date. Star Wars which heavily borrowed from the Dune series pales in comparison. It is an intelligent and artistic film.
They probably used exploding ink due to how explosives and bullets work on thier shield systems explained in part 1
I kid you not, the movie finished I got this notification. 🔥🔥🔥film
I actually got scared of Feyd-Ratha. And when he got the cape?! OH MY GOD!
Rewatched Part One before and after watching Part Two and the through lines are incredible and meticulous. Strongly recommend!
The black and white outdoors is because of their sun.
That was super cool
The black sun, it was so badass.
My only complaint is that some action scenes (except the third act) felt too brief, epic but brief
Yes that battle scene had the qualities to go to toe with lord of the rings battle scenes but it quite literally falls short
I noticed that but I searched within myself and realized maybe I learned to expect lengthier action scenes because of all the other blockbusters I’ve seen. I learned to embrace the direction Denis had for this film and not compare it to other films. The action felt appropriate for the story trying to be told.
Sitting waiting to watch this now in Liverpool! Will be sure to check out the video when I'm out!
He is the messiah, but the messiah has nothing divine attached to it, it's manufactured by the Bene Gesserit, which also explains everything you discuss during the "he is the Nexus, at the right time", that's not by chance, even if it happens 1 generation too soon.
The Fremen believe in Shai-Hulud: the worm that is God.
Came here after rigjt finally i get to see this amazing movie . Love your spoiler review Grace. Greetings from Guatemala. 🇬🇹
Great review! As a book person I love seeing something so well done even if the source material is slightly altered. This was my favorite cinematic EXPERIENCE in many years. Can’t wait to see it again in imax.
I really like how the final duel really contrasted Paul's and Fey'd characters. For Feyd pain is pleasure: he relishes and enjoys pain. Instead of quickly ending Paul when he had the upper hand he slowly approaches and wants to make the whole thing intimate almost. Whereas for Paul pain is purpose: he knew he had to get close to Feyd, pain be dammned, so he can deliver the killing blow. Fascinating stuff
SPOILER:
The scene where all of the Fremen attack the emperor and the reveal of the multiple sandworms coming out of the storm? FULL BODY CHILLS. I’ve genuinely never had a movie give me such a purely emotional reaction like that. At that moment I thought to myself, “Am I seeing the LotR of my generation?”
So so good.
I was in disbelieve. I couldn’t believe what I was witnessing.
Zendaya’s Chani is my favorite character. She’s the most grounded character to me. She falls in love with Paul when he shows his sincerity in wanting to fight with the Fremen. But once she sees that Paul’s ambitions are outgrowing her desires to free her people, she abandons him, choosing not to follow him. She sees through all the Bene Gesserit manipulation and constantly questions and pushes back against the “miracles” she witnesses.
Actually the black & white palette for the harkonnen world is because they orbit a black sun. If you noticed when the Bene Gesserits step into the sunlight area of the arena, their cloaks turn from black to white. And when they are inside buildings, we see everyone in color.
A black sun? How ridiculous!
Even with the changes from the book, Denis Villeneuve managed to make Dune Part 2 an amazing cinematic experience. I'm eagerly waiting for Part 3 to come out to see how his vision for this epic story will conclude. Hans Zimmer also upped his game in this sequel, which I partially listened to before watching the movie. Wow. Zimmer's score is just stunning. Anyone going out to see this movie, really owes it to themselves to see this in IMAX if possible
They did a lot of 'popping up out of the sand' in the first movie too ❤
I did love how the Giedi Prime 'black sun' made everything black & white (though indoors was pretty monochrome too, with only hints of blue & green) 😄
It's unreal. 10/10
I watched this film in DBox and atmos. What an experience!!! I would encourage anyone and everyone to watch this movie in atmos and DBox.
I would actually compare this movie more to TROY starring Brad Pitt, Orlando Bloom and Eric Bana (which came out 20 years ago!) moreso than Batman and TDK.
She means the jump in quality from Dune Part 1 to Dune Part 2 is similar to the one from Batman Begins to The Dark Knight
@@matiasdevaglia4541 yes I know but I actually enjoyed Dune Part 1 more. Maybe its just my taste, or maybe i went in with misplaced ideas from the excellent 2nd trailer and the "glow up" comparisons from BB to TDK, but the analogy just doesn't fit imo. But throughout the entire movie I kept thinking of Troy. The war to please a ruler's hubris, the reluctant warrior, the love of a good woman being the only motivation to keep going despite all odds, etc.
Troy is the movie that changed Brad Pitts career. He hated it so much he refused to do a blockbuster after that. He refuses to watch it. He considered it the opposite type of movie he wanted to be remembered for.
@@MaxxRemKing1 LOL youre saying he thinks Mr & Mrs Smith is a better product of his film career? idts. Troy is the last big movie he got to make before wasting his life on Angelina
Grace using a picture of SpongeBob to represent her taking her notes lmao I can't 😂 Grace is SpongeBob your spirit animal?
wow great review Grace, but the messiah I think ending with Chani not agreeing with what is going on, show how Paul is going through the wrong path, I like this change from the book
Doesn’t she die in Messiah
yes I think the way they will do the next movie, is that she's pregnant with the twins, Paul come back to her after the war, and princess Florence gives her birth control so Shani dosent get to have the heirs of Paul but fails and is responsible of shani's death after giving birth to the twins
I saw Dune : Part Two tonight. ❤
Looking forward to Dune : Part Three or Messiah, or However they title it.
With your point about the prophecy about the desert spring tears you have to remember that the Bena-Jezeri are the ones who wrote the prophecy
I just got out of the movie, your review was just waiting for me. Thank you Grace
I've been a fan of Timothee Chalamet since I first saw him in "Call Me By Your Name." He is just incredible. He and his agent deserve some awards because they have outstanding taste in film projects. I think Dune could make a good Game of Thrones-type HBO series at some point. I've also become a huge fan of Dene Villanova and his aesthetic.
Pugh reminded me of the princess in the never ending story
Yes!
The cast was soooo good,these are the future of Hollywood legends!!
Dune Part TWO was AMAZING!!!!! That stealthy desert action was so good!!!!
Did anyone notice Paul held on to Feyd-Rauthas knife after their fight? Little moment that was really interesting to me
YESSS GRACE BOOM, BABY. SO GOOD WITH MY GRACE CONTENT TODAY
the black and white is due to the type of star, it's a wonderful aspect of the book translated into visual art.
This is a great perspective Grace! But we need more haha do a breakdown or spoiler review part 2 please!!!!
The Benet Jeseret CREATED the Fremen Religion by scriying into the future.
My most anticipated part of Paul's story is the moment when a student outperform their teachers and infuse all that lessons in Arrakis which makes him the real deal.
What i found surprising is despite everyone call him the real deal, he doesn't want to just take that title the easy way, he wants to do the hardwork to prove to mostly himself (and others) that earn it, and that also speaks to his long term thinking that by doing that, he'll be able to convince the skeptics in the Fremen to accept him as their own and gain an absolute loyalty from the whole Fremen. That's a quality trait of leadership
After drinking the blue liquid, Paul can see various paths to completing his mission. He recognizes a hard option path, which is why he repeatedly tells Chani that he loves her to death. Because this difficult path involves challenging the emperor and especially marrying Princess Irulan.
He saw multiple outcomes . Just choose the one the thought had less “ bad “ consequences for the Universe. Even if it was the worse for his own person and family .
He drank Blue Milk? I'm not watching it now.
@@davidjames579 The girls call it worm-piss in the movie.
I thought a little differently about the end fight wish they did longer shots so u can see the good choreo clearer. The editing is so choppy. Maybe they had to cut it up so much bc they had to use stunt doubles too much. But the sound design was so good u really felt the hits and when they got stabbed amazing.
Desert power ✅
WHY do so many people boil down the end with Chani's reaction as just a "haha yay you go girl!" woman scorned moment...? She was drastically different from the book, but even the movie version of Chani is deeper than so many (at least in the scope of critics/reviews) people seem to realize. I absolutely LOVE that I can watch someone call this an intellectual blockbuster, while at the same time providing surface level "hur dur thats my girl boss" forms of commentary.
I didn't see part one; was she nice and charming in that movie? I can't see Paul falling for such a b**** in this movie when there would have been so many women fawning over him as this religious figure, though the women shown with Chani were scorning and mocking him.
Had the pleasure of watching this in 4DX and i gotta say i wasn't disappointed and yes grace those sandworm riding scenes are extra epic
I love what they did with Zendaya's character, and I like Zendaya as an actress, but I really think she was bad in this film. She felt like a Californian among the Fremen.
Just got out. Master piece, feel like im coming down off a high.
I never read the books, but its been implied that paul became almost invinsible or immortal after drinking the water of life. Thus beaing able to sustain two blade wounds and surviving so many battles.
They Need to find a Role for Robert Pattionson to play. Him and Chalomet are an awesome collaboration, poroven sans"the King".
I wouldn’t be surprised if his role in the king got him the audition for Paul initially
Just finished watching Dune 2 it was epic and I can’t wait to watch your Review 😊❤
Ms.Grace did you watch the 1984 Dune version with a young Patrick Stewart (Gurney Halleck) 🤔
I liked Dune part 2 more than part 1 but I'm disappointed that they completely changed the ending. They shortened the final battle drastically and I thought Walken as the Emporer fell flat. They completely eliminated the Guild navigators as well. These are crucial elements to the story. The duel with Feyd Rautha as well was dramatically changed. The fight scenes were great but key elements were changed which upset me. They chose to highlight Paul's accension as the Messiah which was important, but they needed to flesh out imperial politics more.
It's been awhile since I read the book or watched the Sy-Fy series, but I sensed something was off in the finale. He was supposed to put down Princess Irulan, for instance, saying he'd never give her his heir.
What a FANTASTIC review Grace!!! Thanks for covering it so throughly!
Hollywood loves recycling the same actors. The trailers playing before this movie, I was thinking where are all the thousands of actors trying to make it.
I wanted this last night and OMG I cant believe ive been sleeping on this movie! That was a cinematic EXPERIENCE
You're my favorite reviewer!
My big question is that we saw how the rider gets on one of those worms, so how do others get on for transportation? Do the worms make a pit stop and wait for other ppl to hop aboard?
The rider steers the worm to a place near the passengers and passengers use hooks to get on the worm.
23:49 Sorry but Zendaya was miscast. Also why is she the only Fremen that speaks in an American accent?
Janis spoke in a American accent
I don't know what role she's _supposed_ to be cast as. I'm skipping _Challengers._
Best movie in years
i watched it in 4dx!! the sandworm riding scene was soooo good but all the action sequences played so well i felt like i was there!
Finally saw Dune 2 on it's second week. Avoided spoilers (I have never read the books) but it was worth it. Since you mention 4DX experience, I am very temped to see it again in 4DX for that experience.
So grateful Grace continues to be such an intelligent, thoughtful, and fun content creator in this space! I keep coming back and evangelizing this channel ❤
It’s so cinematic. Every frame is a work of art.
Gosh i wanna watch this so bad but i don’t get to see the movie until Sunday 😭
Dave Batista should’ve got a mention here
I wish that the last Star Wars trilogy had taken it's time when it came to character and story development like the dune franchise has done so far.
Thank you for the review and work done Grace ! Your optimism almost made me smile at this movie but couldn’t enjoy it as much you did , read the books , first book it’s not my favorite , though I do enjoy the princess ark through her actions in the empire , and I hope this saga can keep growing more opportunities for other stories that take more updated content
The tears thing was the waters of life+ tears was acting like an ammonia salt to wake him up
Grace , I enjoy the fun way you talk in your videos, I think you deserve your place on youtube!
I think the future trend of Hollywood is Epics. This movie was phenomenal.
Paul is supposed to be presented as the Al Gaib, but he ends up not being it in future books
This was so good. Stilgar was hilarious.
CAN'T WAIT FOR PART 3!