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Paul is a fascinating character because in the short term he's basically, like, the WORST GUY WHO HAS EVER LIVED (well, for *now*), but in the long term he's assuring the survival of humanity. He's basically stopped experiencing time in a linear way and is seeing forwards and backwards, and has come to the determination that "Whoops, the only way to save the species is to do a galaxy-wide Hitler for a few thousand years or we'll go extinct a million generations from now" But yeah in normal human terms Paul Atreides is one of the absolute worst monsters in any media ever, he makes Darth Vader and Palpatine look like humanitarians
@@SeanTanktop Yeah, 100%, the reactions were WILD I've seen folks get excited about the "THE HOLY WAR BEGINS" line which, like don't get excited about that, why are you excited about that? All of the nuance comes from Paul's internal monologue about his motivations, but in the context of the movie where we're not privy to that the motherfucker just drinks some blue raspberry Koolaid and turns into psychic intergalactic Genghis Khan. It's incredibly compelling film, but no one should be cheering at Stilgar's final, frenzied "LISAN AL GAIB" as he goes off to murder a billion people I do think that it means that Villeneuve did his job right, though...Paul is such an effective demagogue that he even fools half the damned audience.
To answer Morgan's question of why didn't Paul just nuke everyone, in the books it is pointed that the noble houses have a treaty the prohibits them from using nukes against each other (against human targets). Using the nukes directly on the Emperor and/or the Harkonnen would have two main consequences: 1) Paul would loose all the legitimacy of being the new Duke, as House Atreides would be like considered a pariah / war criminals; and 2) Retaliation, as all the other noble houses also have their own atomic arsenal and would be justified / required to retaliate. In the book, Paul is confronted about using the nukes against the city, and his response is that he did not use them on the *city*, but rather on the *wall* (mountains) around the city. 😄
That’s a false narrative and a recent one. Herbert had parts of Dune Messiah and Children Of Dune written down before the first novel was even completed. He knew what Paul’s character arc would be during the writing of Dune. From the start, he wanted readers of Book 1 to fall under Paul’s spell as the Fremen did, viewing Paul as a charismatic, traditional type of hero. In Book 2, he would show why that was a mistake. Nerd Cookies provided the proof: m.th-cam.com/video/zAvkmSslvQ0/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUZbmVyZCBjb29raWVzIGR1bmUgbWVzc2lhaA%3D%3D
it should be completely clear in this adaption, it's the entire reason Villeneuve completely rewrote Chani and very much starting with the opening of the first film takes her perspective and ends this one with her perspective as well
Paul isn’t a hero, but he isn’t Darth Vader either. He is a powerful ruler, who once ruling, is humbled to know that he is as much adrift in events as any of us. He didn’t control what happened after he gained power. Although, the movie makes it seem like he does, the book says otherwise.
@@richlisola1yeah once I read Dune Messiah I didn’t understand why people were saying he’s a big bad guy or a traditional villain. The book clearly lays out how trapped he feels by his position, and how he regrets almost everything that’s happened but can’t see a way out.
Paul isn’t evil. He is fulfilling a role he was designed for unwillingly. He really doesn’t have choices. Stilgar was more correct in his assessment than we realize at this point. This was a small reveal in Frank Herbert’s last book in the Dune series, Chapterhouse Dune (seeing the elderly couple, likely very highly evolved Facedancers curating mankind). The miraculous coincidences that helped Paul on Dune was likely staged to fulfill his role.
Yeah I hate this, "Paul is Evil Narrative". If he was Evil he would have absolutely No Remorse or Doubts about Using people to do what he needs instead he fights it every step of the way. Later in the Series the True Messiah shows up and he ends up being a monster ( the Worm Emperor) for like 50,000 years killing Millions of people for the Greater Good of the Human Empire , Hating that he has to do it but being Able to read the Future at will and seeing the destruction of all humanity if he doesn't. Being the leader of all humanity means you have to make some hard decisions.
Yeah. It's kind of a literary liberty Herbert takes in fashioning Paul (and Leto II later). Paul has larger things to worry about, beyond even the devastating casualties of the Holy War he's about to unleash. Kind of a moral cop-out in the first two books. On Planetary scale of reference, Paul is pretty evil, ready to unleash what he's know all along will happen. But in the grand Cosmic scheme, he is kind of a Hero.
I love Jessica! The best character in my opinion. Her defiance literally changed the entire universe. Sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worse.
The movie takes place over a few months. In the books it takes several years. Alia is born and Paul has a son, but Denis decided not to deal with the kids.
@@slayerje1884 If they even HAVE kids... Denis changed the story so much just so Chani wouldn't be who she really is in the books. I see no possible way of her coming back and having kids with Paul. It'd be the ultimate 180 and misdirection of who Denis tried to make her out to be in part 2.
One thing I like about this adaptation is the indication that the Atreides and Harkonnens are similar BEFORE Paul comes on to the scene is the gladitorial scene. We know from the first film that Paul's grandfather was a bullfighter. Feyd, in his fight, has a bunch of helpers to take down the prisoners using sci-fi banderillos, like peons help a matador. He'll, their helmets are even shaped like bull-heads!
Paul drinking the water gave him the power to see all possible futures by giving him knowledge of the past. It's a trap though because it forced Paul to make hard choices to avoid the worst endings. Marrying the princess and becoming Emperor was the only path they could survive, but it would also start a holy war across the universe.
@@kaleiohulee6693 If Paul had been killed by Feyd, the holy war still would have happened. The momentum had already begun. The many fanatics among the Fremen would have made Paul a martyr to their cause. They would have started the jihad in his name. Paul, alive and well after the duel, would not be able to stop the religious zealotry of the Fremen anyway.
Paul Atreides was a hero...Paul Muad'Dib is no hero at all, and in fact becomes a tyrant, who later regrets what he has done. His war leads to the death of approximately 60 billion people, the sterilization of some 90 planets, and the elimination of roughly 40 religions. His prescience shows him mankind's future, but he lacks the will to give up his humanity for the golden path. His son had no such qualms, and becomes an even greater tyrant in order to ensure humanity's continued existence.
He was a reluctant messiah. He never wanted it to go the way it ended up going. Many factors forced him into it but once he was pushed into it he went all in on what had to be done...
I loved this adaptation but the one gripe I have as a book reader is the change to Alia in the books she's born years before the battle as a full Reverend Mother so basically an adult in an infants body and she's actually the one who kills the Baron not Paul with a Gom Jabbar at like 4 yrs old and in the book its described, "Mature far beyond her four years, Alia escapes during the final battle of Arrakeen, but not before poisoning her grandfather, Baron Harkonnen, with a deadly gom jabbar. Afterwards, she wanders the battlefield of Arrakeen killing fallen Sardaukar and Harkonnen soldiers with a crysknife, earning her the holy epithet "St. Alia of the Knife."
I figure that having a 4-year-old running around stabbing people would have been a bit much for the uninitiated… To me the bigger loss to *this* story is that they cut out Paul and Chani’s first child (Leto II the Elder) entirely. To me, the loss of Sietch Tabr on its own didn’t seem like enough of a motivator for Paul to set aside his fears of the galaxy-spanning war his premonitions warned him about and head south. Losing a *child* to a senseless act of Harkonnen savagery, though? Yeah, at that point I could see him being absolutely DONE with trying to stave off the inevitable and seeking the justice that every cell of his body would be demanding. Having and losing a child would have made the bond between him and Chani seem that much more solid, and make their parting of ways at the end that much more of a gutpunch. As it is, their relationship almost comes off as a summer fling when it was so much more than that.
I get it probably would’ve been a hard sell for general audiences, but damn it I wanted to see 2 year old Alia talking, making snide jokes, and _leading_ fremen on the battlefield killing soldiers! I saw someone say that in Dune lore, fremen have actually learned how to orgasm without…releasing I reread the portion of the book this movie basically covers before watching it, I don’t think they cut much of Feyd. Admittedly I haven’t reread the portion the first movie covered since the first movie, so I might be forgetting an earlier introduction, but I’m pretty sure the majority of Feyd’s material is in this.
wtf?? serious? I recently got the dune book collection and finished the first book and I was thinking about it, like, what the Fremen people did in their reactions and even more so in the scene where Paul and Chani are panting lol 🤨🫦
For a little clarity: in the movies they didn’t do the couple years timeskip that they did in the books. If you notice, when irulan is narrating she dates her entry as the same year as the events of the first book, 10191. If they did the time skip, Paul’s sister would’ve already been around 2 years old since Jessica was pregnant in the first movie.
People looking at these as two seperte movies is kinda silly to me. Part 1 was kind of a slog because the needed to set the table for this bad boi. Most people who didn't like the first one was because it was dense and kinda slow to establish everything for this one
Every advanced review I read from every critic I respect made reference to this film being "a _generational_ sci-fi epic." I saw it opening night in IMAX, and I. Was. *Floored.* I'll take that experience to the grave.
Well, supposedly, in ASOIF books when Jon comes back, he is gonna be somewhat like that too, cuz each time one comes back to life, one loses some humanity..
All the Great Houses have a Great Convention, essentially a code of laws that aren't to be broken. One of these is that human life, above all, is to be preserved. This even means in war. It's why assassins and plots are used instead of full-scale warfare. (Of course, this changes with Muadib's Jihad). One of the most unbreakable laws is the use of Atomics against humans. Any House that would dare to do so would risk their annihilation. It would mean that the other Houses would pretty much turn on them immediately. So, TECHNICALLY, because Paul had them used on the shield wall (a natural feature of the planet) rather than people.. well. It's TECHNICALLY not breaking the Convention.
It hasn't been several years for gurney. its been a few months. Jessica still hasn't had her baby by the end of the movie. So the timeline of the movie is less than nine months
From what i heard, Nukes are banned in a geneva convention type thing and the penalty is the annihalation of the entire house. Paul did a loophole where he argues 'i shot at the Mountain, not at you' so thats why all the houses have a stockpile but they can attack each other with it
What’s great about Paul’s character is that you are left asking, if the prophecy was fake, why did it all come true. And, in order to save the Freeman, he knew that he must become the one thing he never wanted to be… it comes off differently in the books. But it was still well done.
The original Bene Gesserit breeding plan was for the daughter of Leto and Jessica to breed with Feyd Ruatha. THEIR child was to be the Kwisatz Haderach. I don't believe the movie covers that, but the book does. Jessica bore the Duke a son against orders because he needed an heir.
I literally cried watching this movie, not because of the story (even though it is great). I cried because of how good and in awe i was of the movie. Cried in two points of the movie. DEFINITELY will rewatch it when there’s a rerun on IMAX.
NICE! Great movie, great sequel A third film, DUNE MESSIAH, is in development for December 2026. A DUNE TV series, DUNE PROPHECY, will be released on HBO November 2024.
The sandworms can't survive water, and create spice. The Fremen can't have both their green paradise and have control of spice. I think Paul knows this - Jessica certainly does - so they've trapped the Fremen in their own fanaticism, which was in turn instilled by past Bene Gesserit...
It never gets old to me how Sean Segways into the movie or show we’re watching as if he was on the radio and we didn’t click on a video knowing exactly what we were watching 😅 it’s charming lmao
24:10 It hasn't actually been several years, it was in the books, but in this movie the time frame is compressed, which is made clear by the fact that his sister hasn't been born yet at the end of the movie, so the time frame for this movie is less than 9 months, while by that point in the books, Alia is like 2-3 years old (I don't remember exactly)
i pray they get to see it in IMAX one day....i saw it 3 times in IMAX and it was an experience every single time! also this lady is so HILARIOUS, she came in with so many LMAO hitters!
The way I've always seen it when Paul drinks the water of life he dies and awakes the Messiah, I wouldn't say if he's good or evil he's simply passed that and is something else he doesn't care for good or evil only what is nessacery, I wonder how much the "Golden Path" will be brought into the 3rd part
Not grayscale, infrared. Grayscale just removes colours, but everything stays tonally balanced. Infrared looks way different, making some darker tones turn bright white (like the Baron's and the Sisters robes), etc. It makes the whole aesthetic way more surreal, which is fitting of Geidi Prime. Also, Paul is neither a hero or a villain, he's a tragic character trapped by his visions of the future, trapped in this impossible situation with no possible "good" outcome for everyone (and in a sense, this is much closer to reality). The Holy War he foresaw and wanted to avoid was the "lesser evil" path to take, he literally saw NO better future, and so he chooses this path, but it is a disheartening choice. This is why his words to Stilgar, "Take them to paradise", sound so *utterly* defeated. The Holy War will happen no matter what, and even with ALL the power he has, he is powerless to do anything. That must be soul-crushing. He's still going to try and lessen the impact of it, but he still needs to live with that fact. This human side of him is what makes him a relatable and redeemable character to readers/watchers, even if he's essentially become a tyrant to the known universe... This humanity, however, is an "hindrance" his son won't have, going into Children of Dune/God Emperor of Dune.
God i love this movie, brought me back to being a little kid obsessing over space, consuming space media like mass effect and reading the dune books. Space man, just space. Yall should check out The Expanse if yall really fucked with this, less weird as dune but still a political thriller in space, would make a good reaction show.
Ive also only seen the 2 new Movies , personally I would describe him as tragic, all the paths he wants to take have been laid and lead him down this "prophecy". He never wanted to lead and is now tasked to navigate the whole of humanity down a ever changing path, Manipulating his sorroundings to get to the outcome in his mind. Its Ruthless and to me it does not seem like he enjoys it.
Since I first saw Dune 2, I thought of that Life of Brian scene and was a bit disappointed no other reactor even referenced it. You did not disappoint, thank you for that! ❤
Per Dune, Atomic weapons cannot be used to directly kill humans by treaty among all the houses. If done all the houses would unite to destroy the violator. Paul knew this & used his atomics not directly against humans, but used to remove a natural obstacle in his way (part of the Shield Wall, a natural mountain range that protects the city.
FWIW when there is a mix of those who have seen and those that have not seen a movie, I find reaction videos much more enjoyable when those who have seen the movie exercise restraint in their comments. The value of the video is in the reaction of those who have not seen the movie. Let us focus on them.
I read it as the ships all have shielding that would protect them from nuclear battery, you can see the emperor's shiny bean ships shield deflecting the blast from when Paul nukes the shield wall behind them
Oh fuck! I didn't expect this. LMAO and exactly Sean, people still don't get Paul's arc. This book series is so freaky and I love it. I feel like Denis Villeneuve's Quebecois weirdness (affectionate) really captures that but keeps it interesting.
Great reacttion! Like SeanTT I saw this three times in IMAX and it was amazing everytime. So many insightful comments from Morgan on this, and as you pointed out, she *gets* that the change and all that follows is *not good* and of course the point Herbert was trying to make. So (sadly) appropriate the "Make Arrakis Great Again" line. I will be so happy when we can move past the orange imbecil. Cheers!
In the book sequel that Villanue intends to adapt for the 3rd film, Paul has a line directly comparing himself to Hitler. Wonder if they will keep that in the film because as Sean says alot of people seemed to have missed the point of the tragedy of Paul's turn and Ascension.
yhea but that line is pretty stupid, it’s very “erm im the bad guy” which is especially silly given the larger context of the narrative, for one the idea that paul would use hitler as a example and not a in universe person like raban, is goofy, but also, frank writes paul to be to sympathetic, he tries to retcon it in the sequel dune messhia but by god emperor he retroactively makes paul more sympathetic again, like i think most people understand the idea that worshiping someone super hard is generally a bad idea, they just don’t blame paul for that, in franks own words “he’s revered for all the right reasons, he’s smart, competent and kind…” ultimately you can’t make a character that is good intentioned, very capable, and put them in a impossible situation and when things don’t turn out perfectly expect the audience take away to be, “wow that guy is evil”, paul os not hitler, it’s a silly comparison, but also using real people in general in this setting is strange lol i think they bring up van go in one of the books and it’s really odd as well.
How does Denis Villenueve's Top 5 compare with Christopher Nolan's?! With Dune 2 grossing $712m worldwide, confident that if Dune 3 by Villeneuve is on par with Dune 2, it could have a legit shot @$1bn worldwide which would be crazy for a Dune movie!
As always, I come across your reaction and I'm glad you were able to appreciate this masterpiece by Denis Villeneuve and whose Dune Work by Frank Herbert can directly and completely influence STAR WARS (almost a plagiarism Because Dune is from 1965, in that Lucas and co. did with Herbert's work, But nowadays I'm fine with it because it shows that Dune influences pop culture in a very comprehensive way.) GAME OF THRONES (it's pure Dune juice, be it the palace intrigues, religion and characters, even Martin's writing is very reminiscent of Herbert's), MATRIX and obviously AVATAR. the enthusiasm and insights were wonderful... In addition to having a perfect edition combined with a great humor
@@SeanTanktop I'm the one who's grateful for the wonderful reaction videos that you've been making for years and when I saw that you finally made Dune (it means a lot, because I've loved the books since I was 20 and they changed my life a lot), I just say congratulations.
His abilities are real; the religion built around him was implanted in Fremen culture by the Bene Gesserit specifically to be exploited by them later - it’s not real.
The super powers aren't part of the prophecy per se though. They are a bonus. It's still a scam. All the prophecy's events were set up LONG in advance for whoever the benne gesserit decided to use as a messiah figure. It's just that their plan backfired when Paul was born instead of another girl.
@Musabre their whole plan was to bring someone who had special powers. They just thought they could control him. Like are dudes like Joel Osteen scammers definitely but so is the whole idea of religion. In dune however the messiah actually has powers and isbt a charlatan. His motives and if he's right and wrong are different questions.
I'm kinda sad people don't really get Shani's reaction. It's not just "oh no, my boyfriend chose another chick", it's the concretisation of what he always told her we wouldn't do : He used her culture, and weaponised it to seize the throne of the whole galaxy, then sent almost every fremen, her family, her people, to die in a freaking holy war in his name just for the sake of power. He just stole her land, her people, and lied to her all the way through. That's why she's pissed.
and that is why she is also problematic and idiotic, because its not that simple. the fremen were going to eventually find themselves in a full-scale war regardless, they would've died in bigger numbers and lost everything without him. paul is no hero but he is also not a true villain, like he says he sees no other way, if there was a way to solve this peacefully he would take it and the houses are opposing because they see an opening for themselves to seek power making it clear that the fremen would be always invaded and constantly at war with all the other houses and they would lose.
@@zwelethumahlalela8685 It's not idiotic. The Fremen going this road was an inevitability, sure... Dosen't mean it doesn't suck that the man you love, who PROMISED to not destroy your entire culture, destroyed your entire culture. It's not because something is ultimately a given that you have to be ok with your loved one triggering the whole thing rather than trying not to be a part of it.
@@gerardlacroix6015 how is he destroying their culture? He will make their culture the most dominant in the universe. If Paul doesn't get involved do u really believe the Fremen would be better off? He is their best hope of a better future, Chani's arrogance and lack of faith in him(not the lisan al gaib but Paul the man she loves) is the problem here. Again as I was saying Paul is as much a victim of the Fremens beliefs as their are, he also has no choice and control over the rampant fanaticism and the brutal oppression they have endured that has radicalized them even more and the oppression that they will always be subjected to as long as the whole universe needs that spice.
@@zwelethumahlalela8685 You're missing it here. Dune Messiah was written for someone like you. It starts with an interview with an imprisoned historian who dared to 'document muah'dib's exploits' and SPECIFICALLY highlights how badly he has damaged or completely erased most of the Fremen culture. Such people are locked up for daring to question Paul's rule no matter how horrific things get. The Fremen culture doesn't dominate the universe bud, PAUL does. That's important. You're also falling into another trap about Paul that so many people seem to, which is again why Herbert wrote Dune Messiah, to try to undo the misunderstandings of Dune. The trap being that you are accepting everything that Paul is told through his visions and his prescience as 100% infallibly true. I see very few people question this, "What if Paul is wrong, being mislead, is misinterpreting his foresight, or is simply a liar and far more selfish than he has let on?" Chani is a viewpoint of skepticism that is needed to contrast against the total unquestioning belief of everyone else around her. The only guarantee we have that Paul's way is the only way is Paul himself. It's curcular logic, Paul is right because Paul said he is right. The fact you call Chani lacking faith and arrogant is pretty hilarious in this context. You're not meant to join in with the war council in cheering Paul on his warpath 😄, no matter how awesome he is.
Yeah, you can see her manner become increasingly tense the further along the final act goes, she is already a knife's edge away from turmoil and that final gambit from Paul is just the last straw. Personally i thought it was very clearly done and obvious but I can't pretend everyone sees something the way I did, but it is kinda sad more people don't pick up on that, as it;s masterclass directing and acting from Denis and Zendaya. You can even see how conflicted she is about it when Paul is seemingly losing and about to die, it's more than just a petty boyfriend betrayal lol.
Paul more off an antihero than a hero but loved both films even if it bit different from the books because chani in the books is pauls concubine just like lady Jessica was the concubine to his father Jessica tells chani that “they will not see her as his wife unlike us concubines will be remembered as his wife’s” and chani in the books supports Paul and Jessica fully compared in the movie which I think brought a different prospective to show that he is an antihero not the hero.
Sean has seen this 3 times and Morgan was still correct on a first time viewing and he wasn't 🤣 The Harkonnen soldier was shot by another Harkonnen soldier so it was indeed a oopsie...
I liked the reaction. A little too much narration from the dude who’s seen it before but I ain’t mad atcha. I’m the same way with newbie’s. This is my LOTR of sci-fi which is a major compliment in my opinion. ✌️
He's not the bad guy im so tired of this discourse after the movie came out oh my god. He saw the possible futures and this is the one that ensures their survival who the fuck would sit down and die bruh? Chani never believed he saw visions. Everyone is judging Paul as an outsider waiting to receive his bombs, as if we dont know that this path is the one that we would all take to survive and prevent annihilation.
24:09 Its suppose to be but It cant be years though because Alia isnt even born yet they compressed the timeline by years which ties into my other comment.
They did Chani dirty, because in the books, one she wasn't so petulent, she was a loyal fremen through and through. And she absolutely knew the marriage was for show. And Irulan does want Paul, but never gets him. Paul doesn't get the reverend mother memories, he gets the MALE line memories. 'the carbon footprint is zero on those worms' I don't know, imagine the methane...
I agree they did do Chani dirty. But it wasn't for no reason. It was to try and drive Herbert's point home. It's incredible that it still didn't work for so many people. Paul still registers as out and out hero for so many viewers. You can lead a horse to water... 🤷
@@TomVCunningham There is no reason to dothe character dirty and make major changes. He helps start a holy war murdering people across the universe. What a conceit that Denis thinks he can improve the story and somehow make Herberts point more clear better than Herbert in this ridiculous manner. Herbert did that just fine in the next book and Denis should have just shown it with the third film.
@@cliveklg7739 Denis never assumed, smartly IMHO, that he was going to get another film. Nothing is assured in Hollywood. Least of all getting the opportunity to do a sequel.
I'm sorry the "let's start with the weaker ones" is straight up more pointing to the left. That is their mo. Use your brain please. Small government isn't a bad thing.
Are you going to check out the Dune Prophecy show that is a prequel about the Bene Gessuits developing and manipulating the houses leading up to this prophecy.
I liked that the Freman made their reservoir of water sacred. In the book, it was part of a Freman plot to save up the water to be released en masse to jumpstart Dune's ecosystem. As for the Harkonnen servant women who the Baron killed, it wasn't to make a point. In the books, the guy is a lecherous predator who gets his rocks off killing and violating. Paul's sister (Alia) is born while their mother is in the south, raised and close to 5-years-old by the books climax. Despite her young age, she possesses an awareness on par with her reverend mother, making her something of a pariah by the Freman. She is taken prisoner by Baron Vladimir Harkonnen, but in the chaos of the final attack, she pricks him with the Gom Jabbar needle.
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I believe the author of the books made it clear that Paul was never meant to be a hero
Paul is a fascinating character because in the short term he's basically, like, the WORST GUY WHO HAS EVER LIVED (well, for *now*), but in the long term he's assuring the survival of humanity. He's basically stopped experiencing time in a linear way and is seeing forwards and backwards, and has come to the determination that "Whoops, the only way to save the species is to do a galaxy-wide Hitler for a few thousand years or we'll go extinct a million generations from now"
But yeah in normal human terms Paul Atreides is one of the absolute worst monsters in any media ever, he makes Darth Vader and Palpatine look like humanitarians
don't tell that to 90% of the reactor community, lol
@@SeanTanktop Yeah, 100%, the reactions were WILD
I've seen folks get excited about the "THE HOLY WAR BEGINS" line which, like
don't get excited about that, why are you excited about that?
All of the nuance comes from Paul's internal monologue about his motivations, but in the context of the movie where we're not privy to that the motherfucker just drinks some blue raspberry Koolaid and turns into psychic intergalactic Genghis Khan.
It's incredibly compelling film, but no one should be cheering at Stilgar's final, frenzied "LISAN AL GAIB" as he goes off to murder a billion people
I do think that it means that Villeneuve did his job right, though...Paul is such an effective demagogue that he even fools half the damned audience.
@SeanTanktop Sean I'm going to have to correct you the most fuckable popcorn bucket is the deadpool and wolverine one actually 😅
Paul yelling "SILENCE" hit like cannonfire in the IMAX theater
Abomination.....
To answer Morgan's question of why didn't Paul just nuke everyone, in the books it is pointed that the noble houses have a treaty the prohibits them from using nukes against each other (against human targets). Using the nukes directly on the Emperor and/or the Harkonnen would have two main consequences: 1) Paul would loose all the legitimacy of being the new Duke, as House Atreides would be like considered a pariah / war criminals; and 2) Retaliation, as all the other noble houses also have their own atomic arsenal and would be justified / required to retaliate.
In the book, Paul is confronted about using the nukes against the city, and his response is that he did not use them on the *city*, but rather on the *wall* (mountains) around the city. 😄
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Frank Herbert had to write Dune Messiah to to drive the point home that Paul is not a hero. Now Villeneuve has to do the same 😂
That’s a false narrative and a recent one. Herbert had parts of Dune Messiah and Children Of Dune written down before the first novel was even completed. He knew what Paul’s character arc would be during the writing of Dune. From the start, he wanted readers of Book 1 to fall under Paul’s spell as the Fremen did, viewing Paul as a charismatic, traditional type of hero. In Book 2, he would show why that was a mistake.
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it should be completely clear in this adaption, it's the entire reason Villeneuve completely rewrote Chani and very much starting with the opening of the first film takes her perspective and ends this one with her perspective as well
Paul isn’t a hero, but he isn’t Darth Vader either. He is a powerful ruler, who once ruling, is humbled to know that he is as much adrift in events as any of us.
He didn’t control what happened after he gained power. Although, the movie makes it seem like he does, the book says otherwise.
@@richlisola1yeah once I read Dune Messiah I didn’t understand why people were saying he’s a big bad guy or a traditional villain.
The book clearly lays out how trapped he feels by his position, and how he regrets almost everything that’s happened but can’t see a way out.
@@SunsetRogue THANK YOU.
"The humiliation kink. It's everyone's undoing at the end of the day."
Many wise Morgan proverbs in this one.
Paul isn’t evil. He is fulfilling a role he was designed for unwillingly. He really doesn’t have choices. Stilgar was more correct in his assessment than we realize at this point. This was a small reveal in Frank Herbert’s last book in the Dune series, Chapterhouse Dune (seeing the elderly couple, likely very highly evolved Facedancers curating mankind). The miraculous coincidences that helped Paul on Dune was likely staged to fulfill his role.
Yeah I hate this, "Paul is Evil Narrative". If he was Evil he would have absolutely No Remorse or Doubts about Using people to do what he needs instead he fights it every step of the way. Later in the Series the True Messiah shows up and he ends up being a monster ( the Worm Emperor) for like 50,000 years killing Millions of people for the Greater Good of the Human Empire , Hating that he has to do it but being Able to read the Future at will and seeing the destruction of all humanity if he doesn't. Being the leader of all humanity means you have to make some hard decisions.
Yeah. It's kind of a literary liberty Herbert takes in fashioning Paul (and Leto II later). Paul has larger things to worry about, beyond even the devastating casualties of the Holy War he's about to unleash. Kind of a moral cop-out in the first two books. On Planetary scale of reference, Paul is pretty evil, ready to unleash what he's know all along will happen. But in the grand Cosmic scheme, he is kind of a Hero.
I love Jessica! The best character in my opinion. Her defiance literally changed the entire universe. Sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worse.
She knew Leto's seed was worth it.
RIP
The movie takes place over a few months. In the books it takes several years. Alia is born and Paul has a son, but Denis decided not to deal with the kids.
Save that for Messiah... into Children of Dune
its for the best
Yeah, I guess they didn't wanna tackle the infant genocidal maniac just yet.
@@slayerje1884 If they even HAVE kids... Denis changed the story so much just so Chani wouldn't be who she really is in the books. I see no possible way of her coming back and having kids with Paul. It'd be the ultimate 180 and misdirection of who Denis tried to make her out to be in part 2.
One thing I like about this adaptation is the indication that the Atreides and Harkonnens are similar BEFORE Paul comes on to the scene is the gladitorial scene.
We know from the first film that Paul's grandfather was a bullfighter. Feyd, in his fight, has a bunch of helpers to take down the prisoners using sci-fi banderillos, like peons help a matador. He'll, their helmets are even shaped like bull-heads!
This is personal my favorite Dune movie that I absolutely like most.
For me 10/10
totally!
Paul drinking the water gave him the power to see all possible futures by giving him knowledge of the past. It's a trap though because it forced Paul to make hard choices to avoid the worst endings. Marrying the princess and becoming Emperor was the only path they could survive, but it would also start a holy war across the universe.
@@kaleiohulee6693 If Paul had been killed by Feyd, the holy war still would have happened. The momentum had already begun. The many fanatics among the Fremen would have made Paul a martyr to their cause. They would have started the jihad in his name. Paul, alive and well after the duel, would not be able to stop the religious zealotry of the Fremen anyway.
Exactly @@SunsetRogue
Yep
Paul Atreides was a hero...Paul Muad'Dib is no hero at all, and in fact becomes a tyrant, who later regrets what he has done. His war leads to the death of approximately 60 billion people, the sterilization of some 90 planets, and the elimination of roughly 40 religions. His prescience shows him mankind's future, but he lacks the will to give up his humanity for the golden path. His son had no such qualms, and becomes an even greater tyrant in order to ensure humanity's continued existence.
Good opening line. He’s truly gone once he drinks from Dr. Noodles juice
Its clear that Paul isnt a hero but he's also not a villain which I love because thats how the world works
He was a reluctant messiah. He never wanted it to go the way it ended up going. Many factors forced him into it but once he was pushed into it he went all in on what had to be done...
yep and gets shit or it bunch people who don't get what the alternative was which was a way worse.
I didn't knew what the hell was Dune and I completely fell in love with the first movie. A masterpiece. Both.
I loved this adaptation but the one gripe I have as a book reader is the change to Alia in the books she's born years before the battle as a full Reverend Mother so basically an adult in an infants body and she's actually the one who kills the Baron not Paul with a Gom Jabbar at like 4 yrs old and in the book its described, "Mature far beyond her four years, Alia escapes during the final battle of Arrakeen, but not before poisoning her grandfather, Baron Harkonnen, with a deadly gom jabbar. Afterwards, she wanders the battlefield of Arrakeen killing fallen Sardaukar and Harkonnen soldiers with a crysknife, earning her the holy epithet "St. Alia of the Knife."
I figure that having a 4-year-old running around stabbing people would have been a bit much for the uninitiated…
To me the bigger loss to *this* story is that they cut out Paul and Chani’s first child (Leto II the Elder) entirely. To me, the loss of Sietch Tabr on its own didn’t seem like enough of a motivator for Paul to set aside his fears of the galaxy-spanning war his premonitions warned him about and head south. Losing a *child* to a senseless act of Harkonnen savagery, though? Yeah, at that point I could see him being absolutely DONE with trying to stave off the inevitable and seeking the justice that every cell of his body would be demanding. Having and losing a child would have made the bond between him and Chani seem that much more solid, and make their parting of ways at the end that much more of a gutpunch. As it is, their relationship almost comes off as a summer fling when it was so much more than that.
Paul's approval rating as emperor quickly fell by 61 billion votes.
I saw it 3 times, twice in 70mm and once in Dolby.
10/10
“Silencing women…” Those women are the villains! I mean Paul before that too but the Bene Gesserit are the ancient baddies.
*becomes that
she kind of joking..) that what they do on this show is make silly comments during the movie
Paul: *breathes*
Stilgor: LISAN AL-GAHIB!!
Who is Stilgor?
I get it probably would’ve been a hard sell for general audiences, but damn it I wanted to see 2 year old Alia talking, making snide jokes, and _leading_ fremen on the battlefield killing soldiers!
I saw someone say that in Dune lore, fremen have actually learned how to orgasm without…releasing
I reread the portion of the book this movie basically covers before watching it, I don’t think they cut much of Feyd. Admittedly I haven’t reread the portion the first movie covered since the first movie, so I might be forgetting an earlier introduction, but I’m pretty sure the majority of Feyd’s material is in this.
wtf?? serious? I recently got the dune book collection and finished the first book and I was thinking about it, like, what the Fremen people did in their reactions and even more so in the scene where Paul and Chani are panting lol 🤨🫦
I've seen people in real life who can orgasm without releasing haha
For a little clarity: in the movies they didn’t do the couple years timeskip that they did in the books. If you notice, when irulan is narrating she dates her entry as the same year as the events of the first book, 10191. If they did the time skip, Paul’s sister would’ve already been around 2 years old since Jessica was pregnant in the first movie.
People looking at these as two seperte movies is kinda silly to me. Part 1 was kind of a slog because the needed to set the table for this bad boi. Most people who didn't like the first one was because it was dense and kinda slow to establish everything for this one
I for one (Sean) loved pt, but I knew this was a Fellowship thing. This was set up, nowhere near a conclusion.
I feel like he didn't need tears at all. Mom just did it to fit in with prophecy
Pretty sure in the book it’s that way. He’s already conscious but he waits until Chani cries on purpose
@@a.j.1819 ah so i guessed correct
Every advanced review I read from every critic I respect made reference to this film being "a _generational_ sci-fi epic."
I saw it opening night in IMAX, and I. Was. *Floored.* I'll take that experience to the grave.
Hell yeah! I want that 3 Ninjas Kick Back reaction now! 😂😂
The guys: "man this is epic"
Morgan: "cut up his stillsuits and key his worm"
Well, supposedly, in ASOIF books when Jon comes back, he is gonna be somewhat like that too, cuz each time one comes back to life, one loses some humanity..
All the Great Houses have a Great Convention, essentially a code of laws that aren't to be broken. One of these is that human life, above all, is to be preserved. This even means in war. It's why assassins and plots are used instead of full-scale warfare. (Of course, this changes with Muadib's Jihad). One of the most unbreakable laws is the use of Atomics against humans. Any House that would dare to do so would risk their annihilation. It would mean that the other Houses would pretty much turn on them immediately. So, TECHNICALLY, because Paul had them used on the shield wall (a natural feature of the planet) rather than people.. well. It's TECHNICALLY not breaking the Convention.
It hasn't been several years for gurney. its been a few months. Jessica still hasn't had her baby by the end of the movie. So the timeline of the movie is less than nine months
ahhhh, shit. well that seems a lil weird then. like, why does it SEEEM like years tho. Maybe thats the old book knowledge conflating in my brain.
In the book it is years so yeah probably
From what i heard, Nukes are banned in a geneva convention type thing and the penalty is the annihalation of the entire house. Paul did a loophole where he argues 'i shot at the Mountain, not at you' so thats why all the houses have a stockpile but they can attack each other with it
Paul Atredies will save us all
What’s great about Paul’s character is that you are left asking, if the prophecy was fake, why did it all come true. And, in order to save the Freeman, he knew that he must become the one thing he never wanted to be… it comes off differently in the books. But it was still well done.
Paul became LISAN Al-GAHIB to save Morgan?!
Alright I'll leave.
The original Bene Gesserit breeding plan was for the daughter of Leto and Jessica to breed with Feyd Ruatha. THEIR child was to be the Kwisatz Haderach. I don't believe the movie covers that, but the book does. Jessica bore the Duke a son against orders because he needed an heir.
I literally cried watching this movie, not because of the story (even though it is great). I cried because of how good and in awe i was of the movie. Cried in two points of the movie. DEFINITELY will rewatch it when there’s a rerun on IMAX.
Same, cried both times I went to see it in the cinema
NICE!
Great movie, great sequel
A third film, DUNE MESSIAH, is in development for December 2026.
A DUNE TV series, DUNE PROPHECY, will be released on HBO November 2024.
The sandworms can't survive water, and create spice. The Fremen can't have both their green paradise and have control of spice. I think Paul knows this - Jessica certainly does - so they've trapped the Fremen in their own fanaticism, which was in turn instilled by past Bene Gesserit...
It never gets old to me how Sean Segways into the movie or show we’re watching as if he was on the radio and we didn’t click on a video knowing exactly what we were watching 😅 it’s charming lmao
24:10 It hasn't actually been several years, it was in the books, but in this movie the time frame is compressed, which is made clear by the fact that his sister hasn't been born yet at the end of the movie, so the time frame for this movie is less than 9 months, while by that point in the books, Alia is like 2-3 years old (I don't remember exactly)
i pray they get to see it in IMAX one day....i saw it 3 times in IMAX and it was an experience every single time!
also this lady is so HILARIOUS, she came in with so many LMAO hitters!
spice withdrawal is fatal, and lots of people take it as it keeps you healthy and extends your lifespan. so destroying the spice would kill billions.
The Baron's bath is a bath made with spices since it is a very beneficial drug for human health apart from the fact that it lengthens their life.
The way I've always seen it when Paul drinks the water of life he dies and awakes the Messiah, I wouldn't say if he's good or evil he's simply passed that and is something else he doesn't care for good or evil only what is nessacery, I wonder how much the "Golden Path" will be brought into the 3rd part
This is probably my favorite movie of the last decade.
Not grayscale, infrared. Grayscale just removes colours, but everything stays tonally balanced. Infrared looks way different, making some darker tones turn bright white (like the Baron's and the Sisters robes), etc. It makes the whole aesthetic way more surreal, which is fitting of Geidi Prime.
Also, Paul is neither a hero or a villain, he's a tragic character trapped by his visions of the future, trapped in this impossible situation with no possible "good" outcome for everyone (and in a sense, this is much closer to reality). The Holy War he foresaw and wanted to avoid was the "lesser evil" path to take, he literally saw NO better future, and so he chooses this path, but it is a disheartening choice. This is why his words to Stilgar, "Take them to paradise", sound so *utterly* defeated. The Holy War will happen no matter what, and even with ALL the power he has, he is powerless to do anything. That must be soul-crushing. He's still going to try and lessen the impact of it, but he still needs to live with that fact. This human side of him is what makes him a relatable and redeemable character to readers/watchers, even if he's essentially become a tyrant to the known universe... This humanity, however, is an "hindrance" his son won't have, going into Children of Dune/God Emperor of Dune.
You guys...the comments in the reaction were next level. Just great!
God i love this movie, brought me back to being a little kid obsessing over space, consuming space media like mass effect and reading the dune books. Space man, just space. Yall should check out The Expanse if yall really fucked with this, less weird as dune but still a political thriller in space, would make a good reaction show.
Ive also only seen the 2 new Movies , personally I would describe him as tragic, all the paths he wants to take have been laid and lead him down this "prophecy". He never wanted to lead and is now tasked to navigate the whole of humanity down a ever changing path, Manipulating his sorroundings to get to the outcome in his mind. Its Ruthless and to me it does not seem like he enjoys it.
I saw this movie in theaters…. 11 times 😅
Villeneuve has also expressed hope that other directors and writers will continue the series after Messiah.
one of the best sequels ever made for sure
Since I first saw Dune 2, I thought of that Life of Brian scene and was a bit disappointed no other reactor even referenced it. You did not disappoint, thank you for that! ❤
Gremlins 2> Gremlins
Fight me
you've got a safe space here friend.
Holy! Awesome pick, didn't expect this reaction at all :D
Per Dune, Atomic weapons cannot be used to directly kill humans by treaty among all the houses. If done all the houses would unite to destroy the violator. Paul knew this & used his atomics not directly against humans, but used to remove a natural obstacle in his way (part of the Shield Wall, a natural mountain range that protects the city.
FWIW when there is a mix of those who have seen and those that have not seen a movie, I find reaction videos much more enjoyable when those who have seen the movie exercise restraint in their comments. The value of the video is in the reaction of those who have not seen the movie. Let us focus on them.
Rabban is a bad boss. Stilgar is my favorite.
I read it as the ships all have shielding that would protect them from nuclear battery, you can see the emperor's shiny bean ships shield deflecting the blast from when Paul nukes the shield wall behind them
The sleepers at the bar have awakened!
almost perfect; you guys also got that the emperor was probably miscast
Oh fuck! I didn't expect this. LMAO and exactly Sean, people still don't get Paul's arc. This book series is so freaky and I love it. I feel like Denis Villeneuve's Quebecois weirdness (affectionate) really captures that but keeps it interesting.
Will you guys be reacting to the HBO series Dune: Prophecy when it premiers later this year?
they show paul deciding to go south and drink the water of life after his vision of Chani's death if he stayed in the north and refused the godhead.
Incredible restraint on your part not to use The Voice to make everyone like and subscribe.
(shudders) ......abomination
In the book Paul and Jessica both told Chani the marriage was just political.
But instead the director wanted to create extra drama.
Great reacttion!
Like SeanTT I saw this three times in IMAX and it was amazing everytime.
So many insightful comments from Morgan on this, and as you pointed out, she *gets* that the change and all that follows is *not good* and of course the point Herbert was trying to make.
So (sadly) appropriate the "Make Arrakis Great Again" line. I will be so happy when we can move past the orange imbecil.
Cheers!
In the book sequel that Villanue intends to adapt for the 3rd film, Paul has a line directly comparing himself to Hitler. Wonder if they will keep that in the film because as Sean says alot of people seemed to have missed the point of the tragedy of Paul's turn and Ascension.
yhea but that line is pretty stupid, it’s very “erm im the bad guy” which is especially silly given the larger context of the narrative, for one the idea that paul would use hitler as a example and not a in universe person like raban, is goofy, but also, frank writes paul to be to sympathetic, he tries to retcon it in the sequel dune messhia but by god emperor he retroactively makes paul more sympathetic again, like i think most people understand the idea that worshiping someone super hard is generally a bad idea, they just don’t blame paul for that, in franks own words “he’s revered for all the right reasons, he’s smart, competent and kind…” ultimately you can’t make a character that is good intentioned, very capable, and put them in a impossible situation and when things don’t turn out perfectly expect the audience take away to be, “wow that guy is evil”, paul os not hitler, it’s a silly comparison, but also using real people in general in this setting is strange lol i think they bring up van go in one of the books and it’s really odd as well.
How does Denis Villenueve's Top 5 compare with Christopher Nolan's?! With Dune 2 grossing $712m worldwide, confident that if Dune 3 by Villeneuve is on par with Dune 2, it could have a legit shot @$1bn worldwide which would be crazy for a Dune movie!
Paul is actually Eren Yeager
I think the reason the harks skin is almost pure white is because of the black sun on there planet but I could be completely wrong
As always, I come across your reaction and I'm glad you were able to appreciate this masterpiece by Denis Villeneuve and whose Dune Work by Frank Herbert can directly and completely influence STAR WARS
(almost a plagiarism Because Dune is from 1965, in that Lucas and co. did with Herbert's work, But nowadays I'm fine with it because it shows that Dune influences pop culture in a very comprehensive way.)
GAME OF THRONES (it's pure Dune juice, be it the palace intrigues, religion and characters, even Martin's writing is very reminiscent of Herbert's), MATRIX and obviously AVATAR. the enthusiasm and insights were wonderful...
In addition to having a perfect edition combined with a great humor
Thank you so much!!!
@@SeanTanktop I'm the one who's grateful for the wonderful reaction videos that you've been making for years and when I saw that you finally made Dune (it means a lot, because I've loved the books since I was 20 and they changed my life a lot), I just say congratulations.
That was a real eclipse at the beginning. Cool tidbit.
Dune 2 was great and I cant wait to see Dune Messiah (Dune 3).
That literally the point of the Bene Gesserit Morgan. They play the very long con. 😟
Its not exactly a scam though he actually does have super powers etc
His abilities are real; the religion built around him was implanted in Fremen culture by the Bene Gesserit specifically to be exploited by them later - it’s not real.
The super powers aren't part of the prophecy per se though. They are a bonus. It's still a scam. All the prophecy's events were set up LONG in advance for whoever the benne gesserit decided to use as a messiah figure. It's just that their plan backfired when Paul was born instead of another girl.
@Musabre their whole plan was to bring someone who had special powers. They just thought they could control him. Like are dudes like Joel Osteen scammers definitely but so is the whole idea of religion. In dune however the messiah actually has powers and isbt a charlatan. His motives and if he's right and wrong are different questions.
I'm kinda sad people don't really get Shani's reaction.
It's not just "oh no, my boyfriend chose another chick", it's the concretisation of what he always told her we wouldn't do : He used her culture, and weaponised it to seize the throne of the whole galaxy, then sent almost every fremen, her family, her people, to die in a freaking holy war in his name just for the sake of power.
He just stole her land, her people, and lied to her all the way through.
That's why she's pissed.
and that is why she is also problematic and idiotic, because its not that simple. the fremen were going to eventually find themselves in a full-scale war regardless, they would've died in bigger numbers and lost everything without him. paul is no hero but he is also not a true villain, like he says he sees no other way, if there was a way to solve this peacefully he would take it and the houses are opposing because they see an opening for themselves to seek power making it clear that the fremen would be always invaded and constantly at war with all the other houses and they would lose.
@@zwelethumahlalela8685 It's not idiotic. The Fremen going this road was an inevitability, sure... Dosen't mean it doesn't suck that the man you love, who PROMISED to not destroy your entire culture, destroyed your entire culture.
It's not because something is ultimately a given that you have to be ok with your loved one triggering the whole thing rather than trying not to be a part of it.
@@gerardlacroix6015 how is he destroying their culture? He will make their culture the most dominant in the universe. If Paul doesn't get involved do u really believe the Fremen would be better off? He is their best hope of a better future, Chani's arrogance and lack of faith in him(not the lisan al gaib but Paul the man she loves) is the problem here.
Again as I was saying Paul is as much a victim of the Fremens beliefs as their are, he also has no choice and control over the rampant fanaticism and the brutal oppression they have endured that has radicalized them even more and the oppression that they will always be subjected to as long as the whole universe needs that spice.
@@zwelethumahlalela8685 You're missing it here. Dune Messiah was written for someone like you. It starts with an interview with an imprisoned historian who dared to 'document muah'dib's exploits' and SPECIFICALLY highlights how badly he has damaged or completely erased most of the Fremen culture. Such people are locked up for daring to question Paul's rule no matter how horrific things get. The Fremen culture doesn't dominate the universe bud, PAUL does. That's important.
You're also falling into another trap about Paul that so many people seem to, which is again why Herbert wrote Dune Messiah, to try to undo the misunderstandings of Dune.
The trap being that you are accepting everything that Paul is told through his visions and his prescience as 100% infallibly true. I see very few people question this, "What if Paul is wrong, being mislead, is misinterpreting his foresight, or is simply a liar and far more selfish than he has let on?"
Chani is a viewpoint of skepticism that is needed to contrast against the total unquestioning belief of everyone else around her. The only guarantee we have that Paul's way is the only way is Paul himself. It's curcular logic, Paul is right because Paul said he is right.
The fact you call Chani lacking faith and arrogant is pretty hilarious in this context. You're not meant to join in with the war council in cheering Paul on his warpath 😄, no matter how awesome he is.
Yeah, you can see her manner become increasingly tense the further along the final act goes, she is already a knife's edge away from turmoil and that final gambit from Paul is just the last straw. Personally i thought it was very clearly done and obvious but I can't pretend everyone sees something the way I did, but it is kinda sad more people don't pick up on that, as it;s masterclass directing and acting from Denis and Zendaya.
You can even see how conflicted she is about it when Paul is seemingly losing and about to die, it's more than just a petty boyfriend betrayal lol.
Paul more off an antihero than a hero but loved both films even if it bit different from the books because chani in the books is pauls concubine just like lady Jessica was the concubine to his father Jessica tells chani that “they will not see her as his wife unlike us concubines will be remembered as his wife’s” and chani in the books supports Paul and Jessica fully compared in the movie which I think brought a different prospective to show that he is an antihero not the hero.
Sean has seen this 3 times and Morgan was still correct on a first time viewing and he wasn't 🤣 The Harkonnen soldier was shot by another Harkonnen soldier so it was indeed a oopsie...
Yes, about as perfect as it can get. Dying for part 3!
Emperor Walken is Debate Biden
Fact.
I liked the reaction. A little too much narration from the dude who’s seen it before but I ain’t mad atcha. I’m the same way with newbie’s. This is my LOTR of sci-fi which is a major compliment in my opinion. ✌️
Walter White: "Look at all he did for his family"
He's not the bad guy im so tired of this discourse after the movie came out oh my god. He saw the possible futures and this is the one that ensures their survival who the fuck would sit down and die bruh? Chani never believed he saw visions. Everyone is judging Paul as an outsider waiting to receive his bombs, as if we dont know that this path is the one that we would all take to survive and prevent annihilation.
24:09 Its suppose to be but It cant be years though because Alia isnt even born yet they compressed the timeline by years which ties into my other comment.
They did Chani dirty, because in the books, one she wasn't so petulent, she was a loyal fremen through and through. And she absolutely knew the marriage was for show.
And Irulan does want Paul, but never gets him.
Paul doesn't get the reverend mother memories, he gets the MALE line memories.
'the carbon footprint is zero on those worms' I don't know, imagine the methane...
Sandworms exhale oxygen. On Arrakis, they serve the same role that trees do on Earth, since there’s scant plant life over there.
@@SunsetRogue EXHALE. Methane doesn't come from breathing dumbass.
I agree they did do Chani dirty.
But it wasn't for no reason.
It was to try and drive Herbert's point home.
It's incredible that it still didn't work for so many people.
Paul still registers as out and out hero for so many viewers.
You can lead a horse to water...
🤷
@@TomVCunningham There is no reason to dothe character dirty and make major changes. He helps start a holy war murdering people across the universe.
What a conceit that Denis thinks he can improve the story and somehow make Herberts point more clear better than Herbert in this ridiculous manner.
Herbert did that just fine in the next book and Denis should have just shown it with the third film.
@@cliveklg7739 Denis never assumed, smartly IMHO, that he was going to get another film.
Nothing is assured in Hollywood.
Least of all getting the opportunity to do a sequel.
So while they're able to shut off blood vessels to stop bleeding and stuff
Wait, they turned these movies into books? 😈
The shallowness and naivety of your interpretation is amazing. :) Very entertaining though.
Your Tepid and forced imperiousness is funny to us as well. Jfc
It’s The Imperium, or The Empire-Get outta here with that Federation ish, this ain’t Star Trek Captain Picard.
I'm not seeing a part 1 reaction on your channel.
A small thing, but it's worth listening to the song "Zendaya is Meechee" to learn to pronounce "Zendaya."
I'm sorry the "let's start with the weaker ones" is straight up more pointing to the left. That is their mo. Use your brain please. Small government isn't a bad thing.
Are you going to check out the Dune Prophecy show that is a prequel about the Bene Gessuits developing and manipulating the houses leading up to this prophecy.
i think we're gonna see how the reviews are and if it's clicking! If it rules we'll for sure check it out!
I liked that the Freman made their reservoir of water sacred.
In the book, it was part of a Freman plot to save up the water to be released en masse to jumpstart Dune's ecosystem.
As for the Harkonnen servant women who the Baron killed, it wasn't to make a point.
In the books, the guy is a lecherous predator who gets his rocks off killing and violating.
Paul's sister (Alia) is born while their mother is in the south, raised and close to 5-years-old by the books climax.
Despite her young age, she possesses an awareness on par with her reverend mother, making her something of a pariah by the Freman.
She is taken prisoner by Baron Vladimir Harkonnen, but in the chaos of the final attack, she pricks him with the Gom Jabbar needle.
I much prefer the first one and still can't pinpoint the reason
Video title says "Near perfect" while some of you are very clearly bored watching this movie.
I mean, come on, it's fine to admit you didn't like it. You want clicks that much?
They don't seem bored. What the hell are you on about? I think Sean doing enough talking for all three of them was enough lol.
I’m always flappin them jowls
Water weed Dune hair, bapa
Dune 2 is one big promotion for abortion rights. Js
You should have a "fuck" and "fuckin" count meter
the fuck are you talking about?
Martin Steven Young Michelle Davis Dorothy
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