No idea what you did with the zip ties? Did you just tighten the spring with two zip ties together? Also the riser plate did you install the bolts from underneath?
You put the zip tie through the center of the spring and use another zip tie to lock it in place. This doesn’t allow the spring to stretch which disables the governors ability to pullback on the throttle. On the plate, bolts through the top and nuts on the bottom to secure the riser to the frame. The engine bolts are from the top and bolts are already welded into the riser.
@@andrewdowney760 Correct, I was just happy where it is. I ride with my kids so 35-40 is good for me. I also have replacement springs in yellow that also change the driven side response, just had not had a need for them yet.
Do u think the engine risers that comes as an option with torque converter can clear chain guard brackets or do I need the engine plate that u have in your video?
I just got a CT200U. Can I install a torque converter without cutting the chain guard bracket. Not sure if the frame arrangement is the same as the 200EX in this video.
You can, but the 196cc stock motors usually have 5/8” shafts and need an adapter to work. There is a significant difference in power. You will only notice it if you weigh over 175lbs.
Does anyone know what size the clutch boat is on the Predator 212 I have a Coleman 200 that I was riding and lost my clutch screw and I can't seem to find out the right
Do you happen to know the size of bolts used to bolt the engine to the riser plate I ordered a kit from omb warehouse and the bolts that came with the kit do not fit inside the riser plate so I was wondering if you would happen to know the size of bolts I would need to mount the engine to the plate in the kit
where did you get the engine mounting plate? Is there a link or did you custom make the plate? Also, do you have the link for the torque converter kit you used? Thank you for the video.
Great vid. Did you have to grind the torque converter mounting plate? I've noticed some people have to grind them so it won't interfere with the oil fill. Thanks!
The chain guard isn’t on the bike after the install? Are you referring to cutting the U shaped bar that the chain guard mounts to? Reason is because the adapter plate he used not only raises the engine 1 inch, but it also moves it forward allowing you clearance for that U shaped bar.
The length ? Bc I’m about to do the same thing to mine and I don’t wanna purchase a small chain so I was wondering how long it is ? Feet? Or how many links ??
That's not correct about the governor pulling back on full throttle. The governor does nothing on full throttle until it is able to overcome the spring tension near max governed RPM. The throttle on the carb will stay at full throttle until then. Saying that the bike accelerates better with a zip tie has been a myth for quite a while. The zip tie is not needed on Coleman 200's with a torque converter and stock gearing. You would be lucky to get 3600 (stock governed) RPM out of that bike. That's about 45 MPH.
I don’t know where you are getting that from. The zip tie absolutely changes the throttle response and running bikes side by side there is a considerable difference off the line. You can do as you please, but it does make a difference.
@@Sunshone7311 It's just basic knowledge on how the throttle linkage works. These kids tested this and got the same acceleration as expected. th-cam.com/video/UJRDKtfDmAM/w-d-xo.html
Hey guy im not trying to be a jerk or anything but you do know the hisun 196cc engine is a predator right hisun makes the honda clones and there sold by harbor freight as predator engines other people sell them under different names if you look in predator manual youll find that the manual says that the motor is built by hisun even the mini bike frame is built by hisun you can read this on the little tag under the seat... also coleman powersports isnt coleman at all these mini are imported by godfrey and associates d.b.a. coleman powersports ... im sure Godfrey and assiciates licensed the name coleman i hope i didnt come across as a jerk
Yeah I could never understand why people swap out a good engine like this. These engines are just as upgradable as the harbor freight engines and arguably better quality. The 212 does have slightly more torque than the 196's. If I wanted to do this to my bike I would buy a $30 crankshaft, I wouldn't buy a new engine. They must have recently made the change of manufactures for the Predator. I thought they were made by a different company that I can't think of at the moment.
Well why does the Hisun have a plastic cam gear an predator has a metal cam gear? Im just saying. I don't run with one of those engines I run Tillotson 212 more Torque an Horsepower than Hisun Predator an Honda.
@@jacobsebastien3910 i couldnt tell you that but i can say this ive got a predator 212cc on a pressure washer original hisun 196cc engine on the coleman and a northern tools branded ironton 208 cc engine on a homemade alternator generator theres no noticeable difference in power in the engines
@@jacobsebastien3910 The plastic cam gear is not a problem at all and has been spun 7000+ RPM. Some regularly see 5800 RPM. It would get replaced anyway if you want real power. I have a Hisun apart now. Pretty decent clone.
Nice Video Bro' ✅ I have the Same forward rise engine mount from OMB warehouse. Have my Tillotson 212 on it on my Colman BT200x with torque converter an 60 tooth rear sprocket' 💪
You can weld washers on to the kickstand so it doesn't lean over so much.
Hey buddy, did you say that you could not run your headlight with the predator engine ?
Can you install the OEM chain guard or the one that comes with the Torque Converter?
No guard for me
No idea what you did with the zip ties? Did you just tighten the spring with two zip ties together? Also the riser plate did you install the bolts from underneath?
You put the zip tie through the center of the spring and use another zip tie to lock it in place. This doesn’t allow the spring to stretch which disables the governors ability to pullback on the throttle. On the plate, bolts through the top and nuts on the bottom to secure the riser to the frame. The engine bolts are from the top and bolts are already welded into the riser.
Where did you find that gas can spout?
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Great vid
Thanks
Did you see a increase in acceleration and top speed?
What spring and hole?
Acceleration is night and day better as well as top speed. I used the stock configuration on the spring and hole.
@@Sunshone7311 apparently if you move your spring to the third hole you can gain some top speed
@@andrewdowney760 Correct, I was just happy where it is. I ride with my kids so 35-40 is good for me. I also have replacement springs in yellow that also change the driven side response, just had not had a need for them yet.
Do u think the engine risers that comes as an option with torque converter can clear chain guard brackets or do I need the engine plate that u have in your video?
1” square iron risers will work.
@@Sunshone7311 i think I will go with the plate u have. To paint that plate u think regular rustoleum rattle can will work?
@@l.a.m7645 Yes, I used the industrial paint (color + clear) since it’s oil resistant.
I just got a CT200U. Can I install a torque converter without cutting the chain guard bracket. Not sure if the frame arrangement is the same as the 200EX in this video.
What chain does this require
420
are there any differences between this ct 200 u-ex r ant the regular ct 200 u-ex (the camo one) other than the paint scheme
No difference besides color. But you have a better chance of getting the newer better quality motor on the exr.
where u gona rising mount
Great video man I will be using this as a reference when doing installs on these frames👍🏼
Can you do it without the predator or can these 196 engines not handle it?
You can, but the 196cc stock motors usually have 5/8” shafts and need an adapter to work. There is a significant difference in power. You will only notice it if you weigh over 175lbs.
@@Sunshone7311 and it won’t be to much power?
You helped me put my omb kit in thanks
Does anyone know what size the clutch boat is on the Predator 212 I have a Coleman 200 that I was riding and lost my clutch screw and I can't seem to find out the right
Do you happen to know the size of bolts used to bolt the engine to the riser plate I ordered a kit from omb warehouse and the bolts that came with the kit do not fit inside the riser plate so I was wondering if you would happen to know the size of bolts I would need to mount the engine to the plate in the kit
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Did they change the look of 212 engines it looks different than mine and my engine is only like a year old
Justin Woods Yeah, updated for emissions. Supposedly a more aggressive cam to warm up faster.
THAT is not a PREDATOR 212. THAT is a HISUN 196cc motor that comes factory with the coleman.
@@THECHOSENONE-bk7xg towards the end it is a predator
@@justinwoods240 i didn't get that far. Distracted and moved on. Thanks for the correction
Can u give me the link to the kit used on the video for the coleman ct200 ex kit for belt to chain
What exactly did you do with the zip tie
where did you get the engine mounting plate? Is there a link or did you custom make the plate? Also, do you have the link for the torque converter kit you used? Thank you for the video.
I bought the kit from OMB warehouse www.ombwarehouse.com/mini-bike-parts/coleman-powersports-mini-bike-parts/ct200-ex-bt200x/
@@Sunshone7311 Thank you very much!
Great vid. Did you have to grind the torque converter mounting plate? I've noticed some people have to grind them so it won't interfere with the oil fill. Thanks!
I didn’t have a problem.
That bike stand is fricken awesome! Got specs for that? Loved the video too!
Check out the videos on my page, I have the video on how to build one.
@@Sunshone7311 Really nice videos and so cool I get to learn from your experience! Thanks!
Where did you get the motor mount from?
You can get them on eBay, look up “predator adapter plate”
Did you loosen the axle nut then loosen rear adjusters, then tighten them and the nut?
Victor Reyes yes, you have to adjust back and forth to get it right. I initially overtightened and had to back the adjuster off a little.
@@Sunshone7311 did you make sure to loosen nut on the right side of bike that holds the brake on?
I noticed you didn’t have to cut your chain guard like most people do when installing the torque converter
The chain guard isn’t on the bike after the install? Are you referring to cutting the U shaped bar that the chain guard mounts to? Reason is because the adapter plate he used not only raises the engine 1 inch, but it also moves it forward allowing you clearance for that U shaped bar.
It raises the engine over a inch like a inch an a half. I have one on my bike
What size chain is that ???
40
The length ? Bc I’m about to do the same thing to mine and I don’t wanna purchase a small chain so I was wondering how long it is ? Feet? Or how many links ??
???
@@MarioHernandez-xz5vk It came with the kit, I didn’t measure it.
Thanks for the video.
Thanks for the info
That's not correct about the governor pulling back on full throttle. The governor does nothing on full throttle until it is able to overcome the spring tension near max governed RPM. The throttle on the carb will stay at full throttle until then. Saying that the bike accelerates better with a zip tie has been a myth for quite a while. The zip tie is not needed on Coleman 200's with a torque converter and stock gearing. You would be lucky to get 3600 (stock governed) RPM out of that bike. That's about 45 MPH.
I don’t know where you are getting that from. The zip tie absolutely changes the throttle response and running bikes side by side there is a considerable difference off the line. You can do as you please, but it does make a difference.
@@Sunshone7311 It's just basic knowledge on how the throttle linkage works.
These kids tested this and got the same acceleration as expected. th-cam.com/video/UJRDKtfDmAM/w-d-xo.html
@@Sunshone7311 my ct200 ex went from 24 mph to 33.9 mph after the ziptie method!! No other mods done fully stock
Hey guy im not trying to be a jerk or anything but you do know the hisun 196cc engine is a predator right hisun makes the honda clones and there sold by harbor freight as predator engines other people sell them under different names
if you look in predator manual youll find that the manual says that the motor is built by hisun
even the mini bike frame is built by hisun you can read this on the little tag under the seat... also coleman powersports isnt coleman at all these mini are imported by godfrey and associates d.b.a. coleman powersports ... im sure Godfrey and assiciates licensed the name coleman i hope i didnt come across as a jerk
Yeah I could never understand why people swap out a good engine like this. These engines are just as upgradable as the harbor freight engines and arguably better quality. The 212 does have slightly more torque than the 196's. If I wanted to do this to my bike I would buy a $30 crankshaft, I wouldn't buy a new engine.
They must have recently made the change of manufactures for the Predator. I thought they were made by a different company that I can't think of at the moment.
Well why does the Hisun have a plastic cam gear an predator has a metal cam gear? Im just saying. I don't run with one of those engines I run Tillotson 212 more Torque an Horsepower than Hisun Predator an Honda.
@@jacobsebastien3910 i couldnt tell you that but i can say this ive got a predator 212cc on a pressure washer original hisun 196cc engine on the coleman and a northern tools branded ironton 208 cc engine on a homemade alternator generator theres no noticeable difference in power in the engines
@@jacobsebastien3910 The plastic cam gear is not a problem at all and has been spun 7000+ RPM. Some regularly see 5800 RPM. It would get replaced anyway if you want real power. I have a Hisun apart now. Pretty decent clone.
Nice Video Bro' ✅
I have the Same forward rise engine mount from OMB warehouse. Have my Tillotson 212 on it on my Colman BT200x with torque converter an 60 tooth rear sprocket' 💪
I just got my SunF Power 2
Tires. Anxious to put them on'
Oil the chain
Do not oil the chain, use chain wax or dry lube spray
It would be a Bigg Difference in Torque if you put a 60t sprocket on rear bro"
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An you won't lose Top End with 60t sprocket because of the torque converter.
What size chain is that?