Converting a Carbureted Small Block to EFI on a Chevy Nova - Detroit Muscle S3, E22
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- The guys convert a carbureted small block Chevy over to port fuel injection, plus cover the Street Machine Nationals in Minnesota
PARTS USED IN THIS EPISODE:
Edelbrock: Cam and Lifters, Hydraulic Flat Tappet, Advertised Duration 309/314, Lift .464/.470, Chevy, Small Black, Kit
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Edelbrock: Edelbrock Pro-Flo 3, Fuel Injection Kit, Direct Port, SB Chevrolet, 1986 and Earlier, 625 Max HP, 35 lbHr Injectors, Satin Finish
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Edelbrock: Universal EFI Sump Kit, 60 PSI, Fuel Pump, Regulator, Wiring Harness, Fittings, Kit
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Edelbrock: Pushrods, Chromoly, Heat-Treated, 5/16 in. Diameter, 7.800 in. Length, Universal, Set of 16
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Edelbrock: Rocker Arm; Red Roller Rocker Arms; Small Block Chevy; 3/8 in.;Ratio 1.5 to 1; Qty 16
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Edelbrock: Timing Chain and Gear Set, Performer-Link, Double Roller, Iron/Steel Sprockets, Chevy, V6/Small Block, Set
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Royal Purple: Motor Oil, Break-in, Mineral, 10W30, Quart, Each
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Royal Purple: Assembly Lube, Max-Tuff, Synthetic, 8 oz, Each
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Gunk: All-purpose cleaner and degreaser
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You guys are amazing.
Gotta get Tommy, Rick and Joe on a build. They Rock! You all Rock! 🇺🇸🏁👍👍
Come to Australia for some real burnouts. Just ask the guys from 1320video.
🔧🔧🔥🔥Tommy Boshers🔥🔥🔧🔧
Is it for sale
Damn, you did a complete cam, intake and carb to EFI swap in about 3 minutes. No cursing, no mess, everything just comes apart without a fight. What am I doing wrong? This would have taken me hours and there would most likely be a trace of blood somewhere.
Video clipping works wonders doesn’t it ?
I like this format and I do not miss the goofy commentary.
Tommys impression of Joe was near spot on! 😂
That was funny!
That one tire didn’t stand a chance.
Steven D just the was it is with classics lol I like it
@midnitesquirldog1 Welded diff is useless on the street
Shoulda got the posi instead.
@@sevenhornets Who the fuck uses term posi in 2020? It's a marketing name for 60s LSD.
Love the show but I wish y'all would swap in hydraulic roller cams instead of tappet. Soooo much more power potential with hydraulic roller over tappet cams
What's the 2nd biggest development over the past couple of decades? ROLLER CAMS...flat tappets are pretty much dinosaurs.
Holley has a pretty good setup that's a throttle body injection style. And it will bolt up to almost any 4bl intake. It supports up to 550hp and it's also self tuning.
A great benefit of EFI on an older car like that one is, no troublesome cold morning startups/warmups!😉
I driven a carb car as a daily driver never had issue with cold morning starts, or hot days, as long as you have a proper rebuild carb not from a shop that only cleans it but one that remanufacturers it, or even better get a quality new one.
I converted my 351W in my 74 Bronco to EFI using Mustang parts. Best mod ever for climbing mountains at 12K ft+
18:45 all that money in that car and they did NOT install a POSI?? FAIL!!
We are living almost in the 2020 now, its LSD not some gay 50s GM term like posi traction.
@Philly's Phinest Positraction” is the trade name General Motors gave its limited slip differential units in GM and Chevrolet vehicles in the late 1950s.
I can link my sources if you link yours.
@Philly's Phinest 68 is alot later production than 50s gm. Z28 that have code g80 have posi rear. If i am correct its made by Eaton.
@Philly's Phinest but in the end all it was just a normal lsd and no one uses the term posi.
@Philly's Phinest everyone uses the term posi that i know.
The off brand "welcome to the jungle" 😂
And Highway Star and Panama, LMAO
hey you guys forgotten to mention to prime that fuel sump with fuel before connecting power to the pump in it. reason why I say that is you can fry that pump in it. after a few cranks with that mechanical pump it will have fuel in it unless you added a electrical one in the mechanical place
Thank you for the video on the popular Chevy Nova.
Carb will always be able to support more power nothing can dump as large of an load of fuel as a carb and if tuned right they can be reliable find you an old school hot rodder and learn from them
@Dave Micolichek okay cool I'm old school I like carburetors I find production efi system aggrivating to work on, simple as that I think efi looks ugly under a hood I like to use a screwdriver to work on my fuel system not a team of nasa scientists
I think you guys are being really misleading when you say that you had to pull that cam out and that it wouldn't work with that ECU... that's just not true. What it boils down to is the ECU wouldn't know what cam it is because you guys probably didn't know what it is and that's why you swap it out for something more efficient to match the rest of the setup and that makes sense. Whomever is coming up with what you guys say on the show needs to realize that car guys watch this stuff.
It works sure,with a shity idle, if The partners mentioned it already tested, arent?
Just the EFI helps an old Chevy Biggy. FI? Super sweetness. Yum. What a beauty. My first Nova was a 73 350 plain Jane. So much fun to drive. Dialed in 4barrel with EFI.
my fav nova model
America: These cats take burnout competitions to a whole new level.
Australia: Hold my beer!💨
yeah nah, we just laugh at them
False.....an Aussie would NEVER let someone hold their beer!!
@@williamminter7057 True, we only need to steer one handed.
@@PiDsPagePrototypes even when holding the big can of Fosters?
@@bmstylee lookup... "Darwin Stubby" 😉
That Roadmaster though! LT1 powa.
I like how they used a "knockoff store brand" version of Stranglehold as their background music
Generic Ted Nugent
@@KayakTN "ned tugent"
Stranglehold........Equate Brand.
As well as Three Lock Box, and Welcome to the Jungle...
@@TheKiltedYaksman1 never caught the generic 3 Lock Box one. Will have to listen closer.
The foghorn was great on that buick
Must be nice to have a big ol shop likke that for your projects. I like the music your using on this episode, has that Van Halen kind of sound.
Power Nation .... we all speak the same
EFI + roller rockers + a cam set, but they couldn't have stretched a little more for a roller cam?
Agree. I see no reason to hassle with a flat tappet cam anymore. Roller cam is by far a better choice.
It's dyed purple , must be good.😂
I like how he did the Elmore closing scene impersonation
Get better EFI and overlap isn't a problem. I ran 288* cams and open ITBs on a 4 cylinder with megasquirt. Never had an issue with overlap, or lack of vacuum signal. My bike has been converted to EFI, and pulls a max vacuum of 60Kpa. Runs fine, and is even fully sequential.
7:22 Sheesh! That’s a bad ass looking gen1 Challenger..
With how much all that costs, would it not be more cost effective to purchase a used LS engine? I know it’s ‘boring’ but watching this seeing all the stuff you need to buy I can’t help thinking it.
This is just a thinly disguised ad for Edelbrock and RP, and if you add up all the costs involved, you'll see it is a lot of money. An iron LS from the boneyard with a turbo setup would blitz this thing. To be fair, they said they were after reliability, and I would hope the aftermarket EFI would provide that. While the EFI was said to support up to 550 horsepower, they decided to detune the 350 with a milder cam. So, cruiser.
Half the $$, 50% more hp with the LS
Should have left it alone!!!
@@Gothamauto Fuck those LS s !! Goddamn piece of aluminum ingot a d plastic!!!!
Why don't you guys collapse the hood hinges? It's a ridiculously easy and FAST process, and then theres no hinge sticking up to poke you in the eye, or get in your way! It was always standard procedure in my shop to pop off the springs, and lay those hinges flat, if the hood was off.
So how about the significance of Camshaft Break-in ?
I know just placing Royal Purple "break in oil" in the pan will not substitute for that . We know recieving freebies is great to toss something together but better details next time guys
I tried EZ EFI on my cleveland. I was not impressed at all. It could not learn the accelerator pump shot worth a shit. Even after a few weeks driving it as a daily driver. It always had a lean spot off idle. (just like the damn Holley I replaced) I bought the EFI because I had such a hard time tuning out the lean spot on a Holley....as many people have the same problem and no clear answer for it. The EFI just didn't have the punch a Holley has. So I shelved the damn thing. Put the Holley back on. AFter 2 more years I FINALLY got the Holley tuned and no lean stumbles or flat spots. Just raging power right from the first throttle tip in. These (self learning) EFI systems are garbage. If you get a EFI system.... plan on having it professionally tuned or just be happy with less punch. The only benefit I got was the ECU maintaining idle. And with cold starts.
@Aeternalis Armentarius Actually I have the FiTech unit. EZ EFI is just what sticks in my head.
1200hp boost capable unit.
If you like the FI Tech unit I'll trade you it for a Holley system. It has less then 1k miles on it. The new holley systems cost the same as this did.
Anyone else caught a glimpse of that beautiful Javelin @ 6:19
Not a bad build at all, you can’t go to crazy on cam because of the stock heads, but I still probably would have went roller cam even though it’s not necessary. But this would be a great and reliable cruiser!
Air Date: October 23, 2016 .... I just heard that a large group of hotrod magazines just went under last week.. Car Craft is one.. Lowrider is another... its sad this is lost on today's generations
I can't believe it. The one thing I'm on the fence about the sniper was the ecu is built into the throttle body...then you install that ecu onto the header....
Who else thinks that new cam now has flat lobes?
Yeah I was wondering about the cam break in? Lol
Maybe the breakin oil helped ?
I don't know about that, it's a very lazy lobe but I wish they would have dynoed before and after to see how much power you loose for $4000.00 +. Those cam specs are pathetic and should not be needed for any decent modern day EFI.
They prob do their break ins off camera
Ok! Your installing a fuckin fancy ass port fuel injection unit. Yet it can't handle the "lumpy" cam that's in it?! Wtf?! Too sensitive??!!
Every comparison I've seen on these conversions has not netted more than 1 HP and 2 MPGs
So there isn't a lot of gains for that massive price tag !!!
How about a locker for that one tire fire lol
I think Tom is cool.
I wonder if variable duration lifters would have helped--they calm the cam down until around 3,000 RPM, which may be when most EFI goes into WOT mode? Certainly, the mild cam should have been offset with at least Vortec heads. Bigger ports don't create a vacuum issue like tons'o overlap--unless you screw up a gasket :) What I do know--don't use a gear drive in place of a timing chain. The vibrations can set off a knock sensor screwed into the block.
Your guys music knock off’s are hysterical!
Nice car, nice stance. I suggest that you install the optional stainless drip rail mouldings on the roof rails. Just that little will much improve the curb appearance, give it a more finished look.
I didn't know you could remove the timing cover with the oil pan in place. I was sure it would leak after.
It's a 2 piece timing cover
@@marshdonald1134 looks like a one piece cover to me. they do a lot of things here we don't hear about, because they want us to think the changeover is easier than it really is.
You can get the cover out but not back in with out triming the timeing cover bottom lip were the oil pan gasket is
@@crankychicken1151 yep thats true, but not without a lot of Permatex Ultra Black silicone gasket maker, and hope for the best.
Get rid of those front drum brakes
What in royalty free Stranglehold is going on with the music? OMG GNR too!!
I hope you broke that flat tapped cam in better than you are showing.
Hell no
Anybody wanna buy a flat small block Chevy cam..slightly used?
Royal Purple BIO is great stuff! ;)
Breaking in a new cam with a new fuel injection system trying to learn its tuning is a real challenge. I guess the cam only needed to last long enough for a couple of beauty shots and some wheel spin.
My dream car 🚘 Chevy nova “
such a good drag conversion car
@@maxwelllevy5760 They're lovely. Then again I don't think I've met a fun car I didn't like.
Jaime Cervantes , mine has a built 327 , aluminum high rise intake , 750 cfm carb , MSD distributor and MSD multi spark box , stainless steel headers , ,steel SFI flywheel , 11 inch heavy duty clutch , M-21 Muncie 4 speed trans , 12 bolt posi Trac rear end with 4:11 gears , traction bars , rear trunk mount battery and radiator
My buddy spent $3000 to lose 28 HP. It ran good and ETed about the same but I think the money would have been better spent elsewhere
you guys need a posi in that thing
At 2:27 there was a huge fuel spill. I cannot believe you showed this since we all know it happened in California.
What about breaking the camshaft in?
quatre5555 they put in breaking oil first. If that helps lol
quatre5555 I’m sure this wasn’t all done in one day
Check out uncle Tony’s garage or Nick’s garage
All these guys have through the same speech class. They all have the same word count per minute.
Please find this poor little Nova a 427cu in BB with a M22 4 speed maybe a Dana 60 with some 4.88 gears on a 31 inch tire.
By the way the 427 will need a 1050 Dominator to keep it pulling to the end of the 1/4 mile.
I really like this efi system. I'm thinking about it for my sbf.
Disclaimer, this is an advertisement for Edelbrock and should not be seen as an actual upgrade with the exception of cold start and financial reduction to your bank account that no fuel savings could ever recover.
Iv always wanted a nova like this but black on color
Nice peg leg burnout 18:45.
That is a very mild cam, I wish we knew some info on the original. I run a more aggressive cam and carb and having to swap out cam (potentially) would be a deal breaker for me, personally.Static Compression, stall, gear eetc...none of that is going to change with a convert to EFI but the DCR most certainly will with that new cam
Dave Micolichek thank you for this info. Very helpful. I appreciate it
I would've loved to use this system on my dad's old 76 Pontiac Grand Prix with the 350. He sold it over 10 years ago and he misses it to death.
My dad has the same car I remember when he brought it home . It was brand new and I remember it was a really hot day
Damn that's beautiful
3:08 Nice rip-off of Finish What ya Started by Van Halen playing there, LOL
If I ended up with this car first thing I'd do is take the efi and anything that's not OEM or factory putting it back to stock.
Why? What makes stock so great?
Burnout at Floyd and Bailey, now I know who did it!
That's awesome 👍🏾 but could I win all the old part's as I like old school carby , but probably go with a roller cam 🤔🤔
Did you break in the cam properly after installing the pro-flo 3 efi before taking it out on the road?
Great looking car epic fail on the 1tire fire 🔥
3000 _4000 I use a good carb I'm good
Or do a ls swap with a 6 liter
Ls. Stlye lq 9 or lq 4
St. Paul?? Where's "A Guy" (Derek) from Vice Grip Garage?
1972 - Traded my '70 RoadRunner for a Nova.....biggest POS I've ever driven....pumping oil at 30K....so light in the ass end that it would switch ends on you in a microsecond. Paint fell of in pieces the size of potato chips. Other guys loved theirs.....mine must have been made on a Monday..... That is a really sweet EFI kit....everything is done for you....bet it's costly.
Real question is this....Will the tablet play Angry Birds?
I love my Toronto but I know where the fun is at
That whole new fuel injection "kit" probably cost as much as the rest of the car.. I'll pass... Btw... Why didn't you get rid of those crappy heads and put on a set of Vortec heads?
Please add the original air date in the info section. Thanks for all the vids.
Great example of why powernation was a big fall for me. Why put in the middle a car show that had 0 to do with the build? 2ndly, why not do a dyno after the build? There were so many instances of a build being started then either never getting completed or were but multiple episodes later. They were never really focused either. Engine power doing front end builds, Detroit muscle doing engine builds. The only one that seemed to have a focus was the off road show, but they got rid of that guy. Oh well.
Notice there was no video of them breaking in the flat tappet cam? Or adjusting the lash on the new rockers?
@@TwentytenS4B8 good point, likely because they had to do the car show. I really liked the guys on all the shows, but, the producers never understood their viewers like you who likes to see a real build or like me who wanted to learn. Like I noted, the only show that had their act together was the off road show, that guy was phenomenal.
@@paddle_shift Check out "Engine Masters" on Motor Trend On Demand. You'll learn much the right way as they dyno everything. It's only 5 bucks a month.
I’d keep the original setup, not one thing wrong with it.
Why use a flat tappet cam.you need zinc adative.o2 sensors do not like zinc
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That '64 Corvette looked so low for a sec I thought it was a C3 Corvette
outstanding!!!
Sorry mate but that isn’t a burnout competition. Come to Australia. Well show ya 🇦🇺
Better reliability?. Dude do you even carb?. Even when a carb is shot it will still get you home. Hell the EFI a fuse blows and your stuck.
EFI is way more reliable I got almost 400 000km on my 5.7 vortec Silverado and I'm just now getting to the point we're I want upgrade the injectors as I got one getting bad. I used to own a piece of shit carbureted Chevy Silverado 5.7 and that fuckin carb was always giving me problems was always needing rides to work cause it wouldn't start. Don't remind me of if you had to go somewhere and it didn't get to warm up for 20 min in the winter time first the bitch would usually stall halfway out of the drive way or the first stop sing and block traffic and dam near flood the bitch trying to get it going again. And o how I don't miss that pos 5.7 carbureted Silverado in the winter even plugged in it was always a stubborn piece of shit I sold that 85 Silverado 4x4 tie rod and eat piece of shit manual hub solid front axle pile of shit and jumped into a 98 Z71loaded Silverado with the fuel injected 5.7 vortec and push button 4x4 I love it ten times the truck that 85 Silverado carbureted pos was and no more frozen fuckin hubs to try and turn either hell when it's -55C I make my morning coffee grab my key fob push a button and the prick starts no more having to go out and put my coffee down and fight with a shit carbureted truck and baby sit it for 15 min in the cold. Best thing I ever did was give up on carburetors and move into fuel injection never will I ever go back too a stupid carburetor ever again in my life.I did look at doing a EFI swap and a 4l80e and a locking rear end and bunch of other stuff then I seen a clean 98 Z71 loaded with way more options for a great price and thought hell I'll spend thousands apong thousands on this 85 Silverado and it'll still never be the truck that 98 Z71 is and the 98 is ready to just hop in and go so bought the 98 and sold the 85 and couldn't be happier.
@@taylorh3930 I prefer manual locking hubs tho lol
I thin its amusing that EVERYONE is now using the Pontiac split lobe lift design.
Seems like a smallish cam, I have an efi small block running a .520/.520 cam and it runs great.
His speil about needing a smaller cam for EFI is total BS, EFI can handle much wilder cams.
@Dave Micolichek - then the logic is, get a better EFI system, not a smaller Cam.
@Dave Micolichek - compare the cost of labor to strip things down, remove old cam, fit new cam, put everything back together, plus cost of cam,... versus by a better EFI ECU.
Bet the ECU is a more cost effective option once you include all the costs.
Deck stripes next!!
Great video! I gotta ask though... what is the name of that red on the Nova? Looks incredible!
I hear that the fuel sump can run dry during hard driving.
Can i buy the nova
Wonder what the benefit is from running an MPI like these guys did vs a TBI like a FiTech?
Like the knock off sammy hagar and strangle hold n jungle. Hilarious
Anyone else notice the music sounds remotely close to "Finish What Ya Started" by Van Halen and "Welcome To The Jungle" by Guns N Roses?
Great video!!! is it necessary to change out original camshaft when installing the PF4?
7:35 Why does "she" have an adams apple????
Would a setup like this still make that blissful 4 barrel roar at wide open?
What are you taking about the cam is too radical for the EFI?! Tune it, you don't just throw it on and go. Amateurs.
@Clinton Beck You know NOTHING about me, my career or my experiences period.
@Clinton Beck I'm sure you're a Carb guy also...
@Clinton Beck Just to shut you up, there are NO big camed cars with EFI, uh, yea, bye bye.
In the first few years of people doing EFI conversations, swapping the cam for something with less valve overlap was required because the computers just weren't as good as they are now. Now you can tune an ECM to run just about anything you want. Fuel injection and ECM tuning are infinitely better than they were in the 90s when modding computer controlled engines really started taking off.
@@therealist4006 you seem angry...
I'M Canadians to know how to roll 💪
To bad you didn't check hpower before and after, as well as mpg
All that and they didn't even give it vortec heads - pretty dumb
Heads are cheap, intake for mpfi is very expensive, roller rockers are self aligning, again a little more $$.
those aren't the end all of heads...but they are pretty good!
Me personally, I'd have went for a roller cam retrofit.
talon0863 there are better heads out there than vortec. They’re not all that crack proof either. I’d take some world sr torquers over vortec any day.
@@theeoddments960 Very true, I'm saying for the money they threw at it maybe some better flowing heads and roller cam conversion would be justified. Still what they did is cool and me calling them dumb is unfair because they don't get to pick what car parts they are selling.
Not hard you just gotta take the whole motor apart
What was the height of the cowl induction hood you installed on the 72 Nova, 2 inch or 4 inch?
looks like a 2 inch at first glance
couldn't afford the pro-flo 4 huh