Hill climbing ability is a super important aspect for many. Wow!!!! Incredible to see the wide array of results. I love this, thank you so much for organizing these for us! :)
Here's a summary of the bikes in the video that actually made it uphill without any issues or resistance-easy-peasy (not in any particular order). Several other bikes made it uphill in the video but definitely struggled so those don't count in my book. Enjoy. You're welcome. Himiway cruiser Magicycle cruiser pro Velotric Nomad 1
All your reviews are helpful to me, a first time ebike buyer. I would have liked to have seen two of the most powerful lower cost ebikes on the market now, the Ariel Rider Kepler 52v, and the WIRED Freedom Ebike 60v. Hope some day u could do a comparison review on the hill climb ability of these 2 bikes. The reason I need power is that I live in a area full of small steep hills of 20 degree inclines 50 to 100 yards long or more. 30 years ago when I moved here I brought my peddle 12 speeds and didn't have the strength to ride around here or get out of this subdivision and come back through it to get to my home. Now I'm 76, 200 lb and 6'2" and still want to ride a comfortable and powerful new tech ebike that can get me out of here and back with low effort.
@@NismoMercury I don't have one because none had the power required for me (220 lb) to get around my subdivision hills. But now it looks like Wired may have the answer. Well kind of. The new motors have over 3000 w burst power on their 1500w motors. Along with the dual batteries, this bike has the power to do these hills. I think ECell 5Star is just behind them on power (2400w peak) but only one large 20 amp battery. But both seem to be having some problems with wobble under certain loading and speed conditions. Both are the same price when u consider shipping, but the extra big battery on the Wired is more attractive to me. So now, I'm sure both companies are working to solve the wobble problem, other then tightening down the stem bolt to make it very hard to turn the front wheel. That's a BS fix if I ever heard one. Seems like they would have known about this problem before they took people's money and shipped the bikes.
@@ginginthing From what I've seen, E-Cells doesn't wobble much with only one battery on it. Wired can wobble with 2 batteries since the extra battery on the back raises the center of gravity a bit. Either bike with one battery should be OK especially if you're not going over 30 mph. Of course do your research but that's my opinion so far. I've talked to customer service at E-Cells as well as the owner and they do try to help you out. Their bikes are too big and heavy for me though since I still need to take the bus and my bus bike rack has weight and tire size limits.
Just took the 2024 Wired Freedom up a 21% gravel pipeline road grade. 300 feet elevation in 1/3 mile. PAS 5, and I was pedaling moderately. It ripped me up the hill. Motor did get to 280 degrees, warning indicator started flashing, but made it. Cooled down fairly well once i hit the top.
A summary of the results from best to worst with prices would be helpful. am the same height but a little heavier than you so some more comments on sizing/comfort would also be appreciated. Keep up the good work!
I just went to REI to look at e-bikes and they had the Cannondale Tesoro open box on sale for $2k. The bike checked all the boxes. Good equipment including a Bosch mid drive with torque sensor, hydraulic brakes and shemano derailleurs. But I live in a very hilly area and right away I was very disappointed I can’t even ride the bike around my block. Since we can’t count on the power rating, how can we tell which ones climb hills? I’d much rather have a bike that can help me climb hills even if the range and max speed were low.
I appreciate your video's! They are very helpful in deciding on an e-bile. A chart at the end of the video showing the stats on all the bikes would be fantastic.
Nice video. Subscription worthy. One extra thing to keep in mind are the torque ratings for hub motors are supplied by the hub maker and was measured at rated power. But when the bike maker puts a 22a controller with 48v on their "750 watt" hub the continuous rated power is just 11a with nominal wattage of just 528w. Many bikes never achieve the hub makers torque rating due to undersized controllers.
absolute truth, it really all comes down to what the controller can pull from the battery which can be limited by the cells discharge rate, bms, or controller. I'll continue publishing reviews showing the true capability of bikes, not just what the spec sheet claims
Appreciate the info. Your info shows the continuous power from a 22 a controller is 11 a. So when calculating continuous rated power from a controller, does one always derate the amperage draw by 50%? Or does it vary by controller/motor?
@Ann Durango Yes, the vast majority of hub motor controllers have a continuous power rating that is 50% of peak power. The controllers have a label on the case that lists their peak and rated amps separately.
This video is gold for me because i live in a zigzaging 600 meter hill with a inclination of about 15 degrees, to worsen all im pretty tall an heavy so i guess i need AT LEAST a 750 watt e bike if not a 1000 one.
Great review can you start to include stopping on a hill then restarting. I got a belt and not a rear derailer wish I had now. I cannot restart on a hill
This is a topic that should be more talked about. Most people seem to really need only torque. It's easy to pedal without any assistance on flat and downhill, even with heavy weight. It's usually quite simple to change sprocket size for more torque and less speed. I'm currently building high torque El cheapo mid drive conversion. Budget for the bike is about 150€ with 24v 350w DC kit + 36v battery (10s 6p) 250€ + 200w solar trailer 300€ :)
I have a bike that's 36v. It's name is "Inergy". It goes 20mph and about 20 miles of range. Any idea how to get more range out of 36volts? I'm not sure of the amp hr.
@@Billy-cs4cc It depends. It's all about the amp hours. The industry standard is 10 Ah and it gives around 20-30 miles, depending on driving style. External battery is more easy to upgrade. But easiest way for that might be to double the range, just by adding another same size battery in parallel (positive to positive and negative to negative).
thanks for your comment! good luck on the build, hope to start customizing some of these bikes soon to boost performance etc! building and tinkering with you're own ebikes is the most fun part probably
Heybike has a 30 day free return period & so do some of the other Ebike companies. I bought an ebike last year that was defective. Heybike agreed to pay for the repairs needed but then woud pay more than a $100 discount. The purchase was disputed for breach of accepting the return & Heybike lost the credit card dispute.
i was a bit lost for awhile in this video as to what bike was the hill test but eventually got it. i appreciate these very basic test challenges for each bike. some of the time the specs are and indicator of how well it would climb your 20% grade but not all the time. i have a Lectric EXPedition with a 750w motor, 1310 peak watts and 85nm torque. some of your bike with similar torque failed the hill test. so i ask what is the biggest contributing factor on successfully going up a hill? peak power? torque "nm"? its not clear to me that simply judging the specs that we can predict which ones will climb the hill. thanks for you reviews!!!
Some model suggestions for a hill climbing ability review: Euphree City Robin X+ and Fabulous Trail Step Elite. These are very credible non-fat-tire ebikes. Except for Velotric Discover 1, you seem to avoiding reviewing the narrow tire ebikes. Some of us live in hilly places but mostly travel rural roads and don't want the fat tire experience, preferring a more nible bicycle-like ebike instead. Can do? Please? Pretty please? I've really appreciated your tough hill climb challenge for each bike you review.
Well most of his reviews are payed by brands, if those brands do not want to sponsor him, unless he pays for the bikes himself, he can't really review them
Or a biktrix xd 2300 watt mid drive 300nm torque or Biketrix ulta duo 3 1000watt 160nm torque . Either one would climb that hill and take off like they were on level ground . Try one . Take off on level ground and then try the hill , you won’t notice a difference .
i don't think any bike in this video is okay. The BBSHD would do much better on such an easy climb. Are these even e-bikes? What e-bike slows down up a hill?
I thought you'd have a list of what bikes you thought did the best in these details but I don't see one? Maybe you could attach some data? And they all should be at 100% charge to make sure that you're doing things the same each time
I weigh 300 lbs. Is it safe to assume that *any* e-bike with a 750w motor can climb a 20% incline hill as long as I'm pedaling? Update: I ended up buying the Velotric Nomad recently. I absolutely love it. I still weigh around 300 pounds but the bike can take me up my steepest hill (11% grade) without a problem (even without pedaling).
Better to look up mid drive vs hub motor for hill climbing. Electric MTBs use mid drive for hills because you can gear the motor down with your bicycle gears. Some hub motors now have a simple transmission built in.
I think the only thing we should know if one can climb or not, is the motor power not the ebike brands. Like 250W, 400W, 500W, 750W, 1,000W 0r 1,500Watts. Thanks.
I have watched many of your videos, you rock, by far the best ebike videos!! I especially like your hill test as where I live we are surrounded by hills and need a bike with enough torque. Do you have any experience with the new Cycrown CycVerve Electric Bike? It is very reasonably priced and checks off lots of the important boxes you have mentioned before, 1000watt peak motor, Hydraulic brakes, UL tested, nice lcd display, etc. Not sure if it is manufactured in Canada, the US or China. Let me know if you are familial with this bike, thank you very much, ride on!!! :)
Can you review the pedal core and pedal AWD? They're a company local to LA, and the shop is around Washington/Lincoln. You can test ride for free. Curious how they compare to everything you've tested out
I own a Qualisports Nemo. The reason being weight as I live in an old converted into apartments school building. So long wide stairs to climb. Still I’d like to see it tested on hills given it’s smallish motor 250w. I’d like to hear your opinion if you get a chance.
I'm 70 and moving to Missoula. I'm looking for an ebike for grocery runs and some steep gravel trails in town. Suggestions? What do you think about Quietkat? mid drive? direct drive? hub drive?
Himiway cruiser is a Class 2 e-bike that made it uphill in the video. Class 2 is legal for riding on sidewalks in Missoula so this might be a good one to check out.
@@chompchompfood Thanks. 6 months ago I bought a Rad Rover 6 Plus and am very happy with it. I discovered that Missoula is fairly flat so I rarely go beyond PA 2. I even had a custom mount of the rear basket I saw on Pop Rivet channel. Thanks though.
So many many bikes i cant handle so much options. I have a litle wife 160 cm. Can u advice which bike will be good for her? She need something strong cause we would like ride whole family of any roads, i dont want that any hill will defeat her. She has some problems with spine, and knee, so i am looking for bike which she just enjoy any kind of bike trip. First i though that engine pro could be perfect, but after this video i am disappointed.
I got a cheap thousand dollar bike off of Amazon with apparently no website, it weighs 130 pounds, I'm 170 pounds and it rips up hills like this at 15 mph with no rollout... so far with only 250 miles on this bike I haven't regretted a single thing about this purchase.
A lot of these bikes go up this hill like my bike with me and another rider on the back of it. I would really recommend the bike I got off Amazon even though it feels kind of sketchy to purchase something that has NO website that I could find
@@nolanr1400 20% you can accelarate to 30mph with pedal assist, and 30% again you can fly up 30degrees from speed of 0 to speed of like 15mph in just a few seconds, combining motor and pedals, it does drain the battery fast, so only use the full power when needed, I got up to 37mph speed on a flat, with mountain bike tyre 2.6 x 29 inch, with road bike tyres 40mph shouldnt be hard to achieve, and this is a 48 volt motor controller, you can also buy 52 volt motor which will have another 200 watts of power, without needing any tuning, that should get you close to 40mph without even pedalling i think... with pedalling im guessing like 41 or 42mph but you need a big enough chain ring so you are not ghost pedalling... like 46T and 29 inch tyres, my bike has 42T and I can reach 37 mph, while pedalling still adds a little bit of power... would need at least a 46T to get up to 40mph with a 29 inch wheel... and 11T on the rear cassette... you can get a 46T chainring for bafang m620 but it is a fatbike chainring, so it looks different..
What a great video this is, I wish somebody in England would do this test on a steep hill with a laughable 250 watt motor ( The Law) it would put a lot of people off buying an electric bike and wasting their money
Love the vid, almost got josen q7 but I'm in a hilly area. So you can only imagine what you saved from. I did notice you don't have a review on the fucare Gemini X. If you do happen to get one and do a review would you mind tagging me in it?
very cool video brother!! I think you need to go ahead and spend some cash .. Get you an Ariel Rider Kepler.. A Wicked bike and a couple dual battery Wallke bikes.. Maybe a Amp Rides folder. Just sell them later👍 Easy for me to say right?😂 My Kepler shows 46 mph rear tire lifted. You should be able to rent out these bikes and sell bikes for just a hundred or so less than you paid if they only have a few miles on them. You are a vlogger testing bikes and buyers can get a bike with all the bugs worked out.. Free assembly and info if they watch your videos.. You won't lose much selling bikes or renting them out for a few days.
Space is the real problem here in west LA paying well over $3k/month for a shoebox. I'm already renting an extra storage unit just to have breathing room here 😆 but don't worry, this spring/summer is going to be 🔥🚲💨⚡️
great channel maybe you could give me some advice. looking to purchase 2 ebikes one for me and one for my beautiful wife, im 5 foot 11 275 lbs and she is 5 feet tall 145 lbs. mainly road trips about 25 miles at a time maximum $ 1500 per bike budget we live in canada but will be shipping bikes to portugal ebikes very expensive in portugal any feedback would be greatly appreciated
If you don't care about the size of the bike my himiway cruiser has still been a great bike and the range for the price and power u get is great especially for a big bike like that. You do need some muscles to move the thing around but once moving it's been great and everyone ask about what I'm riding.
I had a little trouble getting this delivered th-cam.com/users/postUgkxn_jUDSlprMIeubd9rHdEAnv59nKfjcKv and eventually had to pick it up from local UPS location, but customer service was really nice and helped me get it before the estimated delivery date. They even gave me a partial refund for my trouble. Thanks Paige! The actual bicycle is just as advertised, and had no damage or scratches. This is an excellent commuter bike for most people. I did a few modifications to make it even better for me personally. I added fenders from my old bicycle. They weren't for disc brakes, but after adding longer bolts and about an inch of spacers the supports no longer interfered with the brakes. I like to pedal HARD and go FAST, so I switched the chain rings to Vuelta Corsa Pro Crankset, Black, 175mm 53/39T Square Taper. This has longer crank arms too, so its kind of 2 upgrades in 1. The front derailleur had to be readjusted so it would stay on only the 2 chain rings until I get a different shifter. I also switched the cassette to one with 11T high gear and a larger low gear. With larger gears on the front and back I also had to get a longer chain. I probably couldn't race this bike unless i got a different cassette with gears closer in size relative to each other, but I can still go plenty fast on flats and downhill while still being able to climb steep hills. For going to and from work and the grocery store this is a great bike. It even looks good. I also added a rear rack and panniers for grocery trips. Now it has great storage capacity especially paired with a backpack. Very happy with my purchase.
They’re similar to Engwe, which is in this video about half way thru if I remember correctly. The Engwe has Regenerative brakes, not sure if the Lectric does. Need to review one soon, they’re popular for sure.
@@TailHappyTV Lectric uses geared hubs. Only direct drive hubs can do regenerative braking. And regen isn't very effective on ebikes due to a lack of mass and a lot of aerodynamic drag. Lectric ebikes are my common recommendation to friends looking for a first ebike. I know of equivalent bikes that sell for less but the Lectric is well known and will be easy to sell if they decide to upgrade to a fancier ride.
@@jimmyjames8736 until recently, direct drive hub motors were the only ones that could do regen breaking, however, there has been a technology breakthrough that is trickling into the market. I currently have two gear hub motor electric bikes that are capable of regen braking, one of which has brake lever activated regenerative braking rear hub motor, it’s pretty neat review will be posted soon
@@TailHappyTV I will look forward to seeing it. I like regen braking on direct drive for quiet and smooth braking. It will be interesting to hear what a gear motor sounds like trying to regen.
That quiet ridiculous that a top sportsmen can make about 700 W for a few dozens of seconds but these 750 , 1000 ,2000 W motors are much less powerful in comparison. And you need much more to make this hill climbing easy
Seriously, why wouldn't you organize your results at the end of your video in a list from best to worst. I'd also suggest doing a better job of standardizing the test and your analysis. In some of these you start assist pedaling and others you turn to reduce the grade. There is clearly a more granular set of results than "yes/no up the hill". Some didnt even make it 10 feet, others failed at the very top. People want to know and compare these differences. WTF why would you do all this work just to fail so hard on sharing the results effectively.
Now I don’t feel so bad about getting angina on a three quarter mile hill like this. I’m slowly getting to know the people who live on the hill as I sit there trying to catch some energy to get to the top of the hill.
@@TailHappyTV So far they’ve all been nice people. Usually three stops per climb. The dogs of the unoccupied homes aren’t so friendly, but they also can’t get to me. Always an adventure!
@damienblack1734 maybe because those bikes tend to have mid drive motors which can easily climb hills, but also tend not to have throttles so pedaling is required.
that Hill is babys, it just shows that hubrives are garbage. middrive with proper gearing would eat a hill like this, on mine the limit is traction, and looping out the back, not the motors torque. if you want torque get a mid drive. you can also go faster, just shift up. middrive is like having your cake and eating it too.
I see that you start on level ground. How about starting on the incline? That will be the real world situation when you happen to stop going uphill. Assuming you you have no throttle.
I have a full review of each of these bikes on my channel, that was supposed to be just a quick round up, showing their hill, climbing ability for somebody who might be in the market for one of the bikes I have reviewed in depth on the channel
@Twinnzllc dude, I made a comment now stfu. Get a life and move on. He responded, "Now leave it alone. All you incels are the same. Angry and looking for attention.
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Any chance you can do an updated version of this?
Hill climbing ability is a super important aspect for many. Wow!!!! Incredible to see the wide array of results. I love this, thank you so much for organizing these for us! :)
thanks for watching!
Dude, you need a chart or spread sheet. The data you probided was so scattered i have NO IDEA which ones passed or failed
I’ll consider that, I mean, the video literally shows exactly what happens for each bike here 😆
@@TailHappyTV Sure, however without a notepad, and pausing to take notes, (and to try to understand some of the garbles words) it is hard to tell.
@@courtneykachur9487nothing is stopping you from watching and making the spreadsheet yourself? 🫨
It would be sooo helpful to compare. Ranks from weakest to Surron. And also 0-20 times. Great videos!
Don’t be such an entitled modern woman that you expect him to do it all for you. Why don’t you take the notes yourself
Here's a summary of the bikes in the video that actually made it uphill without any issues or resistance-easy-peasy (not in any particular order). Several other bikes made it uphill in the video but definitely struggled so those don't count in my book. Enjoy. You're welcome.
Himiway cruiser
Magicycle cruiser pro
Velotric Nomad 1
You forgot the hovsco hovalpha, the lyric voodoo
All your reviews are helpful to me, a first time ebike buyer. I would have liked to have seen two of the most powerful lower cost ebikes on the market now, the Ariel Rider Kepler 52v, and the WIRED Freedom Ebike 60v. Hope some day u could do a comparison review on the hill climb ability of these 2 bikes. The reason I need power is that I live in a area full of small steep hills of 20 degree inclines 50 to 100 yards long or more. 30 years ago when I moved here I brought my peddle 12 speeds and didn't have the strength to ride around here or get out of this subdivision and come back through it to get to my home. Now I'm 76, 200 lb and 6'2" and still want to ride a comfortable and powerful new tech ebike that can get me out of here and back with low effort.
I know this is old but how is it having a e-bike? Im about to be a first time buyer too
@@NismoMercury I don't have one because none had the power required for me (220 lb) to get around my subdivision hills. But now it looks like Wired may have the answer. Well kind of. The new motors have over 3000 w burst power on their 1500w motors. Along with the dual batteries, this bike has the power to do these hills. I think ECell 5Star is just behind them on power (2400w peak) but only one large 20 amp battery. But both seem to be having some problems with wobble under certain loading and speed conditions. Both are the same price when u consider shipping, but the extra big battery on the Wired is more attractive to me. So now, I'm sure both companies are working to solve the wobble problem, other then tightening down the stem bolt to make it very hard to turn the front wheel. That's a BS fix if I ever heard one. Seems like they would have known about this problem before they took people's money and shipped the bikes.
@@ginginthing From what I've seen, E-Cells doesn't wobble much with only one battery on it. Wired can wobble with 2 batteries since the extra battery on the back raises the center of gravity a bit. Either bike with one battery should be OK especially if you're not going over 30 mph. Of course do your research but that's my opinion so far. I've talked to customer service at E-Cells as well as the owner and they do try to help you out. Their bikes are too big and heavy for me though since I still need to take the bus and my bus bike rack has weight and tire size limits.
Just took the 2024 Wired Freedom up a 21% gravel pipeline road grade. 300 feet elevation in 1/3 mile. PAS 5, and I was pedaling moderately. It ripped me up the hill. Motor did get to 280 degrees, warning indicator started flashing, but made it. Cooled down fairly well once i hit the top.
A summary of the results from best to worst with prices would be helpful. am the same height but a little heavier than you so some more comments on sizing/comfort would also be appreciated. Keep up the good work!
Agree fully with this comment so go ahead and do it yourself. But when you do please post it for my ease 😊
Please let us know when you have that spreadsheet ready. Thanks
Bro! This hill-climb test is GREAT!
I just went to REI to look at e-bikes and they had the Cannondale Tesoro open box on sale for $2k. The bike checked all the boxes. Good equipment including a Bosch mid drive with torque sensor, hydraulic brakes and shemano derailleurs.
But I live in a very hilly area and right away I was very disappointed I can’t even ride the bike around my block.
Since we can’t count on the power rating, how can we tell which ones climb hills? I’d much rather have a bike that can help me climb hills even if the range and max speed were low.
I appreciate your video's! They are very helpful in deciding on an e-bile. A chart at the end of the video showing the stats on all the bikes would be fantastic.
I hope you find the truth here TruthSeeker, thanks for the suggestion!
This is an excellent channel. I love the way you test ebikes & do so many! Thanks!
Nice video. Subscription worthy. One extra thing to keep in mind are the torque ratings for hub motors are supplied by the hub maker and was measured at rated power. But when the bike maker puts a 22a controller with 48v on their "750 watt" hub the continuous rated power is just 11a with nominal wattage of just 528w. Many bikes never achieve the hub makers torque rating due to undersized controllers.
absolute truth, it really all comes down to what the controller can pull from the battery which can be limited by the cells discharge rate, bms, or controller. I'll continue publishing reviews showing the true capability of bikes, not just what the spec sheet claims
Appreciate the info. Your info shows the continuous power from a 22 a controller is 11 a. So when calculating continuous rated power from a controller, does one always derate the amperage draw by 50%? Or does it vary by controller/motor?
@Ann Durango Yes, the vast majority of hub motor controllers have a continuous power rating that is 50% of peak power. The controllers have a label on the case that lists their peak and rated amps separately.
@@jimmyjames8736I have an awd krusader which shares a 20a controller. Not near enough power
Nice compilation video.
This video is gold for me because i live in a zigzaging 600 meter hill with a inclination of about 15 degrees, to worsen all im pretty tall an heavy so i guess i need AT LEAST a 750 watt e bike if not a 1000 one.
Great review can you start to include stopping on a hill then restarting. I got a belt and not a rear derailer wish I had now. I cannot restart on a hill
How about 3 wheel ebike 500 watts ..still can climb incline road?
This is a topic that should be more talked about. Most people seem to really need only torque. It's easy to pedal without any assistance on flat and downhill, even with heavy weight. It's usually quite simple to change sprocket size for more torque and less speed.
I'm currently building high torque El cheapo mid drive conversion. Budget for the bike is about 150€ with 24v 350w DC kit + 36v battery (10s 6p) 250€ + 200w solar trailer 300€ :)
I have a bike that's 36v. It's name is "Inergy". It goes 20mph and about 20 miles of range. Any idea how to get more range out of 36volts? I'm not sure of the amp hr.
Thanks
@@Billy-cs4cc It depends. It's all about the amp hours. The industry standard is 10 Ah and it gives around 20-30 miles, depending on driving style. External battery is more easy to upgrade. But easiest way for that might be to double the range, just by adding another same size battery in parallel (positive to positive and negative to negative).
@@Kangsteri Thank you
thanks for your comment! good luck on the build, hope to start customizing some of these bikes soon to boost performance etc! building and tinkering with you're own ebikes is the most fun part probably
How does your custom electric bike company climb hills
This is a review we need. These manufacturers dont think about the hill climbing capability
I'm looking at purchasing my first ebike .Very informative video
Heybike has a 30 day free return period & so do some of the other Ebike companies. I bought an ebike last year that was defective. Heybike agreed to pay for the repairs needed but then woud pay more than a $100 discount. The purchase was disputed for breach of accepting the return & Heybike lost the credit card dispute.
i was a bit lost for awhile in this video as to what bike was the hill test but eventually got it. i appreciate these very basic test challenges for each bike. some of the time the specs are and indicator of how well it would climb your 20% grade but not all the time. i have a Lectric EXPedition with a 750w motor, 1310 peak watts and 85nm torque. some of your bike with similar torque failed the hill test. so i ask what is the biggest contributing factor on successfully going up a hill? peak power? torque "nm"? its not clear to me that simply judging the specs that we can predict which ones will climb the hill. thanks for you reviews!!!
Can you please do a hill climbing test with the juilet electric bike
I live in the foothills of the orzarks, so it must be able to handle some hills.
Some model suggestions for a hill climbing ability review: Euphree City Robin X+ and Fabulous Trail Step Elite. These are very credible non-fat-tire ebikes. Except for Velotric Discover 1, you seem to avoiding reviewing the narrow tire ebikes. Some of us live in hilly places but mostly travel rural roads and don't want the fat tire experience, preferring a more nible bicycle-like ebike instead. Can do? Please? Pretty please? I've really appreciated your tough hill climb challenge for each bike you review.
Well most of his reviews are payed by brands, if those brands do not want to sponsor him, unless he pays for the bikes himself, he can't really review them
Or a biktrix xd 2300 watt mid drive 300nm torque or Biketrix ulta duo 3 1000watt 160nm torque . Either one would climb that hill and take off like they were on level ground . Try one . Take off on level ground and then try the hill , you won’t notice a difference .
You should do some sales/giveaways of that storage unit full of old bikes! Could be a great way to grow the channel or make a charitable contribution!
Thoughts on the quality and performance of trek allant 7
This is the real test for ebikes! Thanks for that
You need mid drive motor that has gears. Right gear will give you a lot of torque because motor can go to high RPM.
Do you have a review on the orbea kemen suv
would love to see review of Gotrax Tundra
Interesting info. Thanks! 👍👍👍👍
Love your reviews!
how in rainy days which is the best for commuting to work?
i don't think any bike in this video is okay. The BBSHD would do much better on such an easy climb. Are these even e-bikes? What e-bike slows down up a hill?
I thought you'd have a list of what bikes you thought did the best in these details but I don't see one?
Maybe you could attach some data?
And they all should be at 100% charge to make sure that you're doing things the same each time
I weigh 300 lbs. Is it safe to assume that *any* e-bike with a 750w motor can climb a 20% incline hill as long as I'm pedaling?
Update: I ended up buying the Velotric Nomad recently. I absolutely love it. I still weigh around 300 pounds but the bike can take me up my steepest hill (11% grade) without a problem (even without pedaling).
Better to look up mid drive vs hub motor for hill climbing. Electric MTBs use mid drive for hills because you can gear the motor down with your bicycle gears. Some hub motors now have a simple transmission built in.
I think the only thing we should know if one can climb or not, is the motor power not the ebike brands. Like 250W, 400W, 500W, 750W, 1,000W 0r 1,500Watts. Thanks.
And the gear ratio just like pedalling.
I have watched many of your videos, you rock, by far the best ebike videos!! I especially like your hill test as where I live we are surrounded by hills and need a bike with enough torque. Do you have any experience with the new Cycrown CycVerve Electric Bike? It is very reasonably priced and checks off lots of the important boxes you have mentioned before, 1000watt peak motor, Hydraulic brakes, UL tested, nice lcd display, etc. Not sure if it is manufactured in Canada, the US or China. Let me know if you are familial with this bike, thank you very much, ride on!!! :)
Wow , those mid-drive motors are unbeatable.
Does anyone have a Cannondale speed? It's near impossible to find reviews on it
No mid drives?
I recommended that Freesky send you a Himalaya e-bike for review, Louis.
Can you review the pedal core and pedal AWD? They're a company local to LA, and the shop is around Washington/Lincoln. You can test ride for free. Curious how they compare to everything you've tested out
I actually rode this bike and made a video on my other channel last year,
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I need a bike that can handle a monster hill, there and back for at least 3 days a week… any recommendations???
Ridstar q20 pro?
Hi. The bike @ 45 sec, can you tell me the seat name if possible plz and thank you.
hi, why don't you try the EKX X21?
I own a Qualisports Nemo. The reason being weight as I live in an old converted into apartments school building. So long wide stairs to climb. Still I’d like to see it tested on hills given it’s smallish motor 250w. I’d like to hear your opinion if you get a chance.
I'm 70 and moving to Missoula. I'm looking for an ebike for grocery runs and some steep gravel trails in town. Suggestions? What do you think about Quietkat? mid drive? direct drive? hub drive?
Himiway cruiser is a Class 2 e-bike that made it uphill in the video. Class 2 is legal for riding on sidewalks in Missoula so this might be a good one to check out.
@@chompchompfood Thanks. 6 months ago I bought a Rad Rover 6 Plus and am very happy with it. I discovered that Missoula is fairly flat so I rarely go beyond PA 2. I even had a custom mount of the rear basket I saw on Pop Rivet channel. Thanks though.
So many many bikes i cant handle so much options. I have a litle wife 160 cm. Can u advice which bike will be good for her? She need something strong cause we would like ride whole family of any roads, i dont want that any hill will defeat her. She has some problems with spine, and knee, so i am looking for bike which she just enjoy any kind of bike trip. First i though that engine pro could be perfect, but after this video i am disappointed.
I got a cheap thousand dollar bike off of Amazon with apparently no website, it weighs 130 pounds, I'm 170 pounds and it rips up hills like this at 15 mph with no rollout... so far with only 250 miles on this bike I haven't regretted a single thing about this purchase.
A lot of these bikes go up this hill like my bike with me and another rider on the back of it. I would really recommend the bike I got off Amazon even though it feels kind of sketchy to purchase something that has NO website that I could find
any suggestions on what bike will be best for me to use on mountain trails. with semi steep hills.
Have you looked at Rambo e bikes. Designed by hunters, to go into the mountains to hunt, and pack out game.
Dude, at least include how much watts the motors have
Hey, do you think E-scooters can handle steepness or is it preferable to base it torque of your bike?
Almost all of the dual motor electric scooters can, check out my other channel Juiced Joyrides, I review a lot of Scooters on that channel
Bro can you add the specs like Nm and important shit like that in the text when you introduce the bikes?
Usually, I don’t bother saying what they claim on the website, rather I actually review and show what the bike can do
Super real life test on these underpowered bikes!!!!
Love ur videos. great stuff thx 🙏🏼
Love ur comment. great stuff thx 🙏
The list please.
i got a bike with a bafang m620 1500w motor, it flies up the steep hills, given you use an easier gear
Which gear on a 20% steep ?
@@nolanr1400 20% you can accelarate to 30mph with pedal assist, and 30% again you can fly up 30degrees from speed of 0 to speed of like 15mph in just a few seconds, combining motor and pedals, it does drain the battery fast, so only use the full power when needed, I got up to 37mph speed on a flat, with mountain bike tyre 2.6 x 29 inch, with road bike tyres 40mph shouldnt be hard to achieve, and this is a 48 volt motor controller, you can also buy 52 volt motor which will have another 200 watts of power, without needing any tuning, that should get you close to 40mph without even pedalling i think... with pedalling im guessing like 41 or 42mph but you need a big enough chain ring so you are not ghost pedalling... like 46T and 29 inch tyres, my bike has 42T and I can reach 37 mph, while pedalling still adds a little bit of power... would need at least a 46T to get up to 40mph with a 29 inch wheel... and 11T on the rear cassette... you can get a 46T chainring for bafang m620 but it is a fatbike chainring, so it looks different..
What a great video this is, I wish somebody in England would do this test on a steep hill with a laughable 250 watt motor ( The Law) it would put a lot of people off buying an electric bike and wasting their money
Give us the list.
Do you have 36 V 500w battery T plug input thank you
Never heard of it
@@TailHappyTV thank you
Love the vid, almost got josen q7 but I'm in a hilly area. So you can only imagine what you saved from. I did notice you don't have a review on the fucare Gemini X. If you do happen to get one and do a review would you mind tagging me in it?
Man buns are the mullets of the 2020's
Looking for Ariel rider Kepler video see what you think need a rating man kinda my first choice not sure yet
I really wanna try one, seems Ariel is too 😎 to talk to creators these days
This is nothing compared to some hills i ride up.
Yikes kinda scared of getting an e-bike now.
Test a biktrix 1000 watt mid drive 160nm torque instead of all of those toys u tested
No p
hilodo h8. It did awesome on your video
I have like 27% grade hills or maybe stepper, how well would your top model handle this?
750w mid drive bafang kit would do it probaby but 27% is veeery steep. I guess gears in any ebike wont like it
@@bobikbobikowy5458 Ty
Have you done a review on the Magicycle cruiser pro or just the deer?
Yes I've done the cruiser: th-cam.com/video/eEPBubXWVdQ/w-d-xo.html
I've owned a few e-bikes, but the M340 is by far the most stylish and eye-catching one I've ridden.
The tricycle?
That’s an interesting opinion. Not many out there find trikes very attractive!
I believe Chariot is the more accurate term
It appears the Magicyle is the one to get for hill domination correct?
Velotric Nomad 1 in my opinion, reviewed it on this channel
Great Videos bro. Have you tested any mid drive fat tire ebike on this hill yet?
My 72v surron 😜, I should have some mid drives coming soon. All mid drives should be able to eat this hill for breakfast, I would think anyway
very cool video brother!! I think you need to go ahead and spend some cash .. Get you an Ariel Rider Kepler.. A Wicked bike and a couple dual battery Wallke bikes.. Maybe a Amp Rides folder. Just sell them later👍 Easy for me to say right?😂 My Kepler shows 46 mph rear tire lifted. You should be able to rent out these bikes and sell bikes for just a hundred or so less than you paid if they only have a few miles on them. You are a vlogger testing bikes and buyers can get a bike with all the bugs worked out.. Free assembly and info if they watch your videos.. You won't lose much selling bikes or renting them out for a few days.
Space is the real problem here in west LA paying well over $3k/month for a shoebox. I'm already renting an extra storage unit just to have breathing room here 😆 but don't worry, this spring/summer is going to be 🔥🚲💨⚡️
@@TailHappyTV Need to rotate some bikes I think.. Sell a half dozen.
wow, I didn't expect Engwe is that bad
Excellent! Now do a top speed one just like this.
great channel maybe you could give me some advice. looking to purchase 2 ebikes one for me and one for my beautiful wife, im 5 foot 11 275 lbs and she is 5 feet tall 145 lbs. mainly road trips about 25 miles at a time maximum $ 1500 per bike budget we live in canada but will be shipping bikes to portugal ebikes very expensive in portugal any feedback would be greatly appreciated
If you don't care about the size of the bike my himiway cruiser has still been a great bike and the range for the price and power u get is great especially for a big bike like that. You do need some muscles to move the thing around but once moving it's been great and everyone ask about what I'm riding.
No Aeriel Rider bikes? Why not?
They won't reply to any of my emails, but I have a friend who has an x-class, I'll see if I can get that on the channel soon.
I have a NCM venice, 250w hub motor, 48volt and 13 amp battery, delivers 624 watts power….i can get up this hill no worries
nice! happy riding :)
I had a little trouble getting this delivered th-cam.com/users/postUgkxn_jUDSlprMIeubd9rHdEAnv59nKfjcKv and eventually had to pick it up from local UPS location, but customer service was really nice and helped me get it before the estimated delivery date. They even gave me a partial refund for my trouble. Thanks Paige! The actual bicycle is just as advertised, and had no damage or scratches. This is an excellent commuter bike for most people. I did a few modifications to make it even better for me personally. I added fenders from my old bicycle. They weren't for disc brakes, but after adding longer bolts and about an inch of spacers the supports no longer interfered with the brakes. I like to pedal HARD and go FAST, so I switched the chain rings to Vuelta Corsa Pro Crankset, Black, 175mm 53/39T Square Taper. This has longer crank arms too, so its kind of 2 upgrades in 1. The front derailleur had to be readjusted so it would stay on only the 2 chain rings until I get a different shifter. I also switched the cassette to one with 11T high gear and a larger low gear. With larger gears on the front and back I also had to get a longer chain. I probably couldn't race this bike unless i got a different cassette with gears closer in size relative to each other, but I can still go plenty fast on flats and downhill while still being able to climb steep hills. For going to and from work and the grocery store this is a great bike. It even looks good. I also added a rear rack and panniers for grocery trips. Now it has great storage capacity especially paired with a backpack. Very happy with my purchase.
If you want a hill climber, just get a front wheel conversion kit. as long as the motor is 1000w, 1500w or more. 48v
What are you opinion on lectric bikes?
They’re similar to Engwe, which is in this video about half way thru if I remember correctly. The Engwe has Regenerative brakes, not sure if the Lectric does. Need to review one soon, they’re popular for sure.
@@TailHappyTV Lectric uses geared hubs. Only direct drive hubs can do regenerative braking. And regen isn't very effective on ebikes due to a lack of mass and a lot of aerodynamic drag. Lectric ebikes are my common recommendation to friends looking for a first ebike. I know of equivalent bikes that sell for less but the Lectric is well known and will be easy to sell if they decide to upgrade to a fancier ride.
@@jimmyjames8736 until recently, direct drive hub motors were the only ones that could do regen breaking, however, there has been a technology breakthrough that is trickling into the market. I currently have two gear hub motor electric bikes that are capable of regen braking, one of which has brake lever activated regenerative braking rear hub motor, it’s pretty neat review will be posted soon
@@TailHappyTV I will look forward to seeing it. I like regen braking on direct drive for quiet and smooth braking. It will be interesting to hear what a gear motor sounds like trying to regen.
Engwe Engine Pro Review - REGEN Brake on a Folding Ebike!
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This bike is a geared hub with Regenerative brake
That quiet ridiculous that a top sportsmen can make about 700 W for a few dozens of seconds but these 750 , 1000 ,2000 W motors are much less powerful in comparison. And you need much more to make this hill climbing easy
Seriously, why wouldn't you organize your results at the end of your video in a list from best to worst. I'd also suggest doing a better job of standardizing the test and your analysis. In some of these you start assist pedaling and others you turn to reduce the grade. There is clearly a more granular set of results than "yes/no up the hill". Some didnt even make it 10 feet, others failed at the very top. People want to know and compare these differences. WTF why would you do all this work just to fail so hard on sharing the results effectively.
Now I don’t feel so bad about getting angina on a three quarter mile hill like this. I’m slowly getting to know the people who live on the hill as I sit there trying to catch some energy to get to the top of the hill.
😆 this comment is hilarious, forced social breaks!
@@TailHappyTV So far they’ve all been nice people. Usually three stops per climb. The dogs of the unoccupied homes aren’t so friendly, but they also can’t get to me. Always an adventure!
Glad we didnt get that engwe engine pro
90% of the brands are not known to me. You have to pedal to be able to generate power right
this lil one garage climb utilize like 40% battery capacity
Why no mid drive bikes? I thought they were known for hill climbing.
There was one in there, more coming to the channel soon. Hub drives are less expensive and most people choose them for there economical benefits.
Mid drive too expensive and wears the drivetrain.
I'm just wondering why you're only showing cheap bikes but not the more expensive brands like Specialized, Giant or Trek?
@damienblack1734 maybe because those bikes tend to have mid drive motors which can easily climb hills, but also tend not to have throttles so pedaling is required.
Instead of such a short test just come over to my place in San Francisco. The hill we ride every day is 6 blocks of 31.5% grade, lol.
Velotric Nomad 1-1200 watt power!
I think all of them would have did it with maybe a 10-ft running start.
Be nice to have a section that lists which did better to worse.
good idea
Please let us know when you make that list for us
that Hill is babys, it just shows that hubrives are garbage. middrive with proper gearing would eat a hill like this, on mine the limit is traction, and looping out the back, not the motors torque. if you want torque get a mid drive. you can also go faster, just shift up. middrive is like having your cake and eating it too.
So a 350watt won’t ever climb my hills 😭
I see that you start on level ground. How about starting on the incline?
That will be the real world situation when you happen to stop going uphill.
Assuming you you have no throttle.
Really not a good comparison. Without specs and price no way to get a real feel for actual quality per dollar.
I have a full review of each of these bikes on my channel, that was supposed to be just a quick round up, showing their hill, climbing ability for somebody who might be in the market for one of the bikes I have reviewed in depth on the channel
This video isn’t about all that obviously. Maybe you should get your expectations in check and learn to do better research on specific information
Maybe lose your attitude.
@@Twinnzllc
@@mikemanzolina9237 just checking you for criticizing someone bc you’re entitled self wanted what you wanted in the video.
@Twinnzllc dude, I made a comment now stfu. Get a life and move on. He responded, "Now leave it alone. All you incels are the same. Angry and looking for attention.
i wanna buy the annioki aq177 XD