Wow….Awesome thank you. The only problem I see with that is this was filmed on multiple different days so not sure if the striping is the same in every clip or not. It might be tho. Did you see my second hill test video?
Motors on a bicycle are awesome. Once you experience an ebike you’re going to wonder why you hadn’t purchased one sooner. Your experiment showed the riders weight means a lot, and a little bit of extra motor wattage provides a noticeable amount improvement power as well as strength going up hills.
And it's not just the motor part that makes it extra sick. It's the electric part with automatic full torque on demand that's so sick about ebikes. My nephew was into making gas powered ones with his buddies in his area and this Sept he came up to visit and I let him take my 1400 Watt 52v rear hub ebike for a spin. And now he wants one badly.
This was very helpful to me. As a big guy at around 270 lbs., this video told me I better stick with my side by side for dear hunting in TN. Even at your weight it couldn’t pull the hills without help.
Jeremiah you my friend think like a consumer , I was for a long time wishing someone would do this comparison , because on a flat ground we cannot really tell the difference between any ebike . hill climbing is the real world test . Thank you brother
It takes more power to move a heavier bike. Bigger and bigger batteries are heavy, full suspension is heavy, wide tires and rims are heavy. These big fat tire bikes rarely see any off-road but their weight (70+lbs. and more) definitely makes riding them slowly or moving them around the garage way more difficult. I have a Ride1Up Core 5 and even with a 48v 10.4AH battery I can go 30-45 miles and it’s light enough to ride like a regular bike with no power on flats. My friend has a big fat tire bike and I’m amazed at how heavy it feels and forget about riding it without assist.
Thanks Jeremiah for sharing your experiences of interesting ebikes you have found. There are hundreds of brands and models out there. Deciding which one best fits your needs and wallet can be a challenge and your reviews help a lot with our choices!
Excellent review. This is how the performance of an e-bike should be tested. On the level, they all go well, but not uphill. I like to follow your reviews, they are the best here. Thank you.
I like your more scientific approach to comparing these bikes. Other folks give their opinions which can be interesting, but you showed exactly what I was looking to see. Interesting that a more powerful bike MIGHT also be heavier which could impact its performance. Thank you.
Given all the variables and the fact that you chose a grassy hill, I can’t see the value of this comparison. All bikes should have been charged fully and unused prior to test. A paved incline would have helped level the traction disparities also. Maybe having your son time a fixed distance in the test climb/run would bring additional value. And then, as another poster mentioned, a final chart with the results by bike design, classification & weight. For those who are considering a folding bike for transport, know that some models have gotten to the point where the weight and bulk when folded are pretty difficult to lift and load into an SUV. I bought the Lectric XP Premium, which has 2 batteries and a claimed range of 100 miles, and as a retiree at 5-11 and 225, I find it almost impossible to lift and load alone when it is folded. Although the 80 lb. weight may seem manageable to many, when it is folded, it just becomes a very big bulky contraption with no convenient lift points when lifting alone. Looking back, maybe should have just bought a lighter weight full size to have the increased stability, comfort, and efficiencies that come with larger wheel diameters and traditional frame designs. Most of these fold-ups are using very thick heavy metal construction to regain the rigidity lost in a fold-up design. And lastly, most of the popular TH-cam reviews are compromised by kick-backs so after narrowing down your preference, find a dealer or someone who owns the model and check it out in person. Kind of embarrassing to have a fold-up that needs to be trailered or racked.
All the batteries were fully charged except for the Magicycle which I mentioned but didn’t matter because it had the most power anyway. And you make some good points that’s why I mentioned in the beginning of the video not to base your decision fully off this video alone and that there are many other factors you should consider before buying an electric bike. Thanks for your input that was one thing I was going to mention in my future video I talked about. Cheers.
I remove the batteries before I lift something like that. I am getting the dualbattery Wallke and pulling the batteries shaves almost 20Lbs off of the lift weight
ngl you testing that non electric bike was one of the best part of this video cause it gave an idea, that how much of a difference can an electric bike make going up hill
Outstanding review! The motor torque or power of an electric bike is one of my most important factors, along with price when buying an ebike. This video helps a lot. I do wish that Ariel Rider would send to you their Kepler ebike for testing because I would like to see it go head to head against the Magic cycle.
@@geemy9675 They also eat chains and sprockets, ie, more maintenance... My $849 T42 (with Jeremiah's discount) is state of the art, Hyd Disc Brakes, 80nm torque, bad to the bone for a starter bike!
@@geemy9675 EXACTLY! But, a Bafang BBS02 full kit will kick ANY non mid drive ebike under $3000 - $4000! And, you can buying them with a 14ah battery with name brand cells, for under $600 complete and shipped! (bigger batteries available, of course) IT WILL BLOW YOU MIND! And, destroy any of these ebikes he tested. It won't even be close.... :)
@@KOrnhOliO1 mid drive will win steep climbs but you re comparing diy bike which is not for everyone with stock. there are also many ways in which one bike can be "better" than another. price, value, maintenance, battery integration, range, ease of use, speed... mid drive has downsides too
I just picked up the Jansno X50 48v 14 ah battery and 750 watt motor with 25 amp controller. The latest release has superior fender systems, Packaging and it is an impressive bike. Especially the price. I pull a Nomad trailer behind it with my 12v 54 ah Dakota Lithium battery, 50 watt solar panel mounted on top along with my backpack. This totals 52.8 pounds and made a 27.6 mile trip on pedal assist 1, a few minor hills and had 51% battery left. I pedaled the entire trip, maintained 11.7 mph and was very happy
The only difference I really have seen in more affordable e-bikes comparing a hub Drive motor to a mid-drive motor is the price tags and I like the Hub motor just as well and especially if writing asphalt roads and not really anything trail riding the Hub mount in my opinion is the way to go if a person doesn't want to spend a lot of money on a good bike
I appreciate the work you put into this video. It is becoming painfully obvious to me that I might have to build my own, second E-Bike as none of these bikes really did much better than my Walmart E-bike would have done. Putting those drive systems on a 20-pound super-cycle would likely fly up that hill. I don't want to do a build, but I also do not want to spend three thousand dollars for a bike.
I can disagree with that to some extent but if you have the perfect bike already and was thinking about throwing a mid drive on it then yes you are correct that’s probably your best bet. If you don’t already have a bike that you’re happy with, Depending on the style of bike you’re looking for there are some great options out there for around $1000. for example the GeForce T 42 was recently $800 after the coupon code which is crazy cheap in my opinion. There’s a link in the description of my video to it but not sure if the coupon is still available or not.
Get a Bafang BBS02 full conversion kit. If you already have a bike you like - easily convert it to an ebike...for under $600! Aliexpress has them with a 14ah, name brand cells battery for about $575 shipped with everything, including the tools to do the conversion. Amazon has them for more money too. Anyone can do it! There are a bunch of step by step videos on TH-cam. That and any bike you choose, will destroy any of these bikes he tested....and it won't even be close! Seriously! Check it out...
I have also bought a similar electric bike, the EUY NXB. My son also likes it very much. He always rides it out to play. Electric bikes really bring us a lot of conveniences.
Nice video and comparisons! I changed out my XP 2.0 sprocket to a 11-34t and that made a big difference on the high speed and low speed for hill climbing, $31 from Amazon and bike shop charged $15 labor, well worth it!
Yes I still have the original lectric bike and no it would’ve not made it up the hill without pedaling. The freewheels not gonna make a difference on motor power but it will make a difference on how easy it is to help pedal. It would’ve went up just as easy as the 2.0 pedaling
THANK U FOR PUTTING YOUR SON ON BIKE!!!!! I am only 5’ and it showed me without a doubt that i could ride the bike he was on. Handlebar each etc. THANK U!!!!!! GREAT VIDEO!!
I really appreciate you making these videos. It's very time consuming I'm sure, and I hope you're getting compensated for your time however that works. Without these videos it's pretty much a shot in the dark when picking out an ebike. Thanks again, keep up the good work. - Dennis
Thank You Dennis that’s why I love making these videos. The only way I get compensated is if someone uses the link in the description of my videos to purchase a bike then we will receive a small commission.
Good video. Man, I was really considering the Engwe EP-2 because the price with an additional battery is really good. $1100 with 2 13ah batteries is just a really good deal. But I went with the Lectric bike since I live in Phoenix and can go down and test ride all of them. It's nice knowing it isn't using so much electricity since while camping it will be draining my solar setup and has roughly the same amount of power as the Engwe. I went with he xp 3 cause it was a better deal, but man was the light fun to ride. Carried me around no problem just not having any gears to worry about just made it seem so much fun to ride. I would have bought it, but once you factor in buying the stuff it doesn't come with, it's not cheaper than the bigger bikes.
I just moved from a hilly area of Georgia and my driveway is quite steep. So steep that being in my seventies I was hesitant to ride my bike. This u7 went out of the uphill driveway, and thru two neighborhood miles of up and down hills with 5 bars still showing. The hill you use for your tests must be a lot steeper than it looks, after initial disappointment with the defective flip up seat and customer no service, I can say now, I’m glad I purchased this ebike.
Great video! I would love to see the Heybike Cityscape, Ranger, and Mars all make attempts to see where they all fare. It seems many of the fat tire bikes are not able to accelerate up to speed quickly enough on your short straight away in the grass due to all that additional rolling resistance. That's why I suspect the thinner tire Cityscape may punch above its weight in terms of its 350w motor since it'll have less rolling resistance. Looking forward to seeing that!
This cityscape is significantly less powerfull And would not do nowhere near as well as any of these bikes. The Heybike Mars and Ranger Or about the same as far as power.
I really appreciate the effort you put into this video. A lot! What it tells me that most 500W - 750W e-bikes are virtually the same. Not a lot of difference. Yes, there are style differences, etc but when it boils down to getting you over that hill throttle only, they all perform mostly identical. I have the original Lectric 1.0. Been a fantastic worry free bike. I'm kinda looking for my next bike. However, your video has just told me all these new bikes are not really going to outperform what I have to any great degree. Personally, I would be looking for a substantial improvement. You have helped me now to look in a new direction whatever that may be. I'm guessing the torque of all these motors are similar. You helped educate me further. Thanks very much.
Reason the magicycle has more power is it has a 750w motor with a 900 or 1k booster in the controller. I really like my magicycle for commuting or long distance. hill climbing is also amazing. But it does not fold.
Your testing really shows that not all motors are made equal. I was especially impressed with the Vitalin with how much that bike costs. The Lectrics are also very well made motors and their 500W motors seem to be almost as good as some 750W bikes. The XP 2.0 (500W) can really rip after some tweaks to the settings! I'm ~140lbs, I thought I'd eventually want more power after getting my XP 2.0 but it's actually plenty of power for me! =)
I agree it has plenty of power for a 500 watt bike and outperforms most 500 W bikes. The electrics are you going to be excellent for most people and most people will not be going up hills like this LOL. The higher wattage bikes are nice though for maintaining a faster speed when traveling and you hit a hill the lectric will do the hill just at a slower pace.
another factor is the controller amperage may vary across bikes, leading to different performance with similar if not identical motors. It's the phase amps that influence hub motor torque for a test like this. Some manufacturers give the 750W motor a 25amp controller and they will peak at 1300 watts, and then it's a completely different beast. The wheel size will have a big impact as well, those 26" wheels are at a disadvantage climbing.
The wattage of the motor isn't a good indicator of the power of the system. Multiply your voltage by how many amps the controller pulls to find the wattage going through the motor. At best, brushless hub motors work at about 90% efficiency. To find your power, multiply volts by amps and then the answer multiply by 0.9 to accommodate efficiency losses. That will tell you the real power of the bike.
That’s not always true because even if some bikes have a larger controller the bikes can be programmed from the manufacture at a lower amp output. I have seen this on a few different bikes where adjusting that amperage in the settings doesn’t make a difference because they have it set to a specific output and that’s why I like doing these tests.
@@JeremiahMcintosh Do you think it's possible that manufacturers turn down the settings in order to comply with local laws in various countries? I easily found the info to 'tweak' the T42 you helped me get. And pedaling like crazy, I can tackle some pretty significant hills at 20mph, with the cruise taking over on the downhill sides, I often have to brake a little for speed limits...
Great video! I liked the choice of the grass hill as I think that really gives a good worst-case scenario. I thought the comparison with the normal bicycle was really great too. I feel like a lot of these ebikes are going to suffer from lack of parts availability as they age. I could be wrong but I didn't see any that seemed to have the standard 26" rims used for decades in the most common bikes such as low-end mountain bikes and touring bikes. Even the ones you showed with the 20" rims (same diameter as BMX) seem to have a wider tire so I wonder whether the rims are standard at all. Also some of those e-bikes just look massive in terms of weight. Imagine having to carry one of those up the stairs/overpass to get to the other side of the train station to catch your train!
I think they are becoming so common and popular like the Shimano 7 speeds that available parts shouldn't be an issue. Chinese manufacturers will produce replacement products as long as the demand is there.
Thanks for taking the time to make this video, I have a lot of hill here in Pennsylvania where I live this will help me with choosing my next e-bike keep up the good work.
I currently own two eBikes a Biktrix Juggernaut HD with a 1000watt mid-drive. I like this one for the exercise and I have yet to see a hill it won't handle. My other one is a Juiced RipRacer with a 750 rear hub drive, not really for exercise but great for running around town in a hurry.
I have a 500w 36v Ebike and it seems to pull Me along fine! I even went to a park with steep trails.YES I had to pedal and used max assist 5 but it got me up everything I needed to go up! But I’m 140lbs so guessing that helps a lot lol
Your review on the Vitilan i7 sold me on the features that were included. Plus, I got a great price with your discount along with the manufactures discount. But this video of different bikes was confirmation for me that I made the right choice. I wasn’t totally in need of the top of the line power, but that was an added bonus seeing the power the Vitilan i7 has, along with all the other features that I did want.
I figured the EP2 Pro wouldn't fare too well because I saw your full review, but it takes me up the more sloping hills around my house just fine, and I'm well over 200 lbs. Great review, really enjoyed the comparison!
They all seem comparable based on motor watts and weight. I built a mid drive ebike with a kit and put it on a 26inch mt bike with disc brakes and its a freaking beast. It would climb that hill like a goat with no pedaling. I have a heybike with 500 watt motor and a BPM Imports 750 watt, both rear hub motors and they are both cool bikes but the mid drive kicks butt on both of them. The 750 wat rear hub kicks butt on the 500 watt bike as expected. You get what you pay for and I have to add getting a more expensive bike is probably worth it. They skimp on important things like the quality of the battery and its components, look at battery ebike fire videos on youtube then decide if you want that cheap ass ebike. I'll pass.
Mid drive e-bike wits are a wiring mess. 90% of people do not want to ride a science experiment. Yes I know there are "good" but the cost of a mid drive kit added to a "good" bike, you may as well buy new instead of tinkering.
@@bindingcurve I tucked mine nicely but your not entirely wrong but a comparable new ebike can cost twice as much or more if you already have a bike you love then the kits are great plus you can move everything to a different bike if you want. To each there own.
@@jstar1000Most of the home build bikes are based sub $500 bikes with $1500 kits on them. But no bike manufactured is going to do that. SO when you say "comparable" your not being truthful. If they are going to build a Mountain E-bike, it will be based on a $2500 full suspension bike. Well, then get a Luna X2 for $4200. If they are going to build a commuter a Ride one up Prodigy for $2300. "cheep" hub drives, the Core 5. Really cheep, the Hypers from Walmart. And I get it, cheep bikes can do a lot of what a "expensive" bike can do, My Axum was $230, and rides a lot like my $1000 Cannondale Trail. But they are NOT the same bike, not even close. Now if someone would provide good frames, I may be interested in build my own, but I think you will find there is not much of a savings.
@@bindingcurve I put a $1000 750 watt bafang kit on my Gary Fischer disc brakes bike and it's pretty awesome. I can't buy anything prebuilt for $1000 and get a middrive 750 watt set up like mine.
Thanks, its nice to see the comparisons on biles when battery is 50% and 100% because one you leave home, the battery is no longer 100%. Appreiate all the work to help us!
Thank you for this vid, I'm a large 300lb guy planning on doing some nomadic adventures and I want to make an e bike camper. So with all that weight, I need load capacity and torque so pretty much power. Thank you
Thank you for the fairest review (actual real review) published on you tube. Follow this guy and get true test reviews. There is Hope left for mankind.
It was helpful to see how well each bike did in this type scenario. We'll be using our new ebikes to casually tour while we are traveling the country in our RV. We are adventure riders by any means, but occasionally there can be a steep grade on an otherwise easy trail that will require plenty of power to make the grade. Thanks for sharing.
9-5-2023 I purchased (on Amazon) a HANEVEAR H-100, 20'' Fat tire, Folding Electric E-Bike, AWD 1500W Dual Motor (750w ea.), w/ LG 16Ah Lithium Battery & Hydraulic Brake, Full Suspension, PAS Improve 370%....It arrives in a couple days. Without finding one to test what's your best guess on performance? There's several good YT videos on it....seems to have a lot of power...so it seems like a good deal for the price....mostly 5 star reviews. Great test video! Was hoping to see my "future bike" comparison...but still learned more here than any other vid, thx!
I think with the Engine Pro, you want to be using PAS only, not using the throttle at the same time. I have an EP-2 Pro and there's definitely no power limiter when using PAS only because it flies up hills with me pedaling on level 5 PAS. Can get up to around 24-25mph up the hill leading to my house (probably around a 13% grade). I do have to put in a bit of work to maintain that speed, but I don't mind. It's a good workout 😄
Thanks for the quick response. Love the Kommoda also, it was my 1st choice after I watched your review. Then I saw the Ovia with the larger battery & higher cranks.. I'll keep looking for your review. Best regards; Fred
Could you please test some of the dual wheel powered bikes. Some of them have huge duel batteries. Some of them claim they have a maximum speed of around 41 mph with petal assist 5. Most e-bikes I’ve seen are metal. Are there any that are partially carbon fiber? They claim carbon fiber is around a quarter to a third the weight of steel. That would have a 80 pound bike weighing as little as 20 to 26 pounds. I just saw a FREEGO SHOTGUN F3 Pro Dual Battery Dual Motor - 2000 Watt, 48V ripping around like a demon. The rider claimed the dual powered wheels gave it twice as much power for climbing steep grades.
Thank you sir. While mostly 'anecdotal', due to the full vss partial charge condition, the test demos seemed to reveal what to expect from each bike. Thumb up entered!
Wow I started watching you back a few years with your first electric bike and for some reason your channel hasn’t been coming up positive today and I resubscribe and wow what a ride bikes to choose from now
Hi That was really helpful thanks for making this video I'll probably come back time and time again so thank you. What do you think of conversion kits? the ones I looked at are as much as some of the bikes, but I love my bike just would be easier if it had a bit of power Great Video!
Thank you Veronica. I have never used a conversion kit before so really can’t say but you are right sometimes they are pretty expensive depending on the components you get then you have to find a spot to mount the components like the controller and battery.
Thanks a lot, Jeremiah. I was ready to make a huge mistake. 750 watts are more than 1 hp, and that's not enough power. Maybe 1000 watts will do. But I need to see their performance against a steep hill. Those bikes look very cool, but they are terribly underpowered. Great job. Congratulations.
Great video. Im about to buy my first ebike. I have an extremely low budget though. So im going to end up with one of those 400-500 dollar amazon/walmart bikes. Ill probably do a walmart one, just so I can return it locally without paying for shipping if something is wrong with it.
Great and fair reviews of all these electric bikes. I'm undecided between Aniioki A7 Pro and Wallke H6. Likely H6 has more power and bigger/larger but I like the A7 Pro style. What's opinion? Thanks
Nice video sir. I would love to test my eBike Friday up that hill. Please. I'll bet if you asked a bunch of people with different eBikes would show up on a weekend and you could create a fun little hill climb event.
I'm REALLY surprised the Lectric XPremium mid drive performed so poorly! I would have expected more from a mid drive. I guess 500W isn't quite enough. With a BBS02 750W mid drive, you could climb that hill all day if you really wanted. Thanks for trying that again with a full battery, thats important.
I have a feeling its the controller (not delivering enough power [current]) that is holding the XPremier back. In first gear, I expected it to perform MUCH better than it did. Very disappointing.
My preferred E bike now is actually a regular bicycle where the manufacturer has added, E bike capability; that means you can use the bike with or without the battery, and there’s not as much about power when the battery is on. Depending on what you want to use it for, that’s better. By that I mean with the battery on, I can still go up hills, but I have to pedal hard, giving me a good workout that I want. On the other hand, if someone just wants to use a bike for functional purposes for example to go to work or make deliveries, A dedicated E bike with greater power that requires less effort would make more sense. You might want to consider a comparison of these two types of bikes: dedicated heavy eBikes, versus existing bike manufacturers, who have added ebike capability to conventional bikes.
Wow, nice Ebikes and a great comparison in the real world, although I am glad my 400 watt 14" can make it up hill somewhat as I am getting ready to drop that review soon. Thanks for your hard work man.
Disappointing that you didn't prep all the batteries for this test. But it's fine. Very cool you did take all the trouble to do the video. Very cool! Thanks for showing!
Thank you Kevin. The Only one that wasn’t fully charged was the magicycle cruiser pro that won so it didn’t matter and the gforce ZM which I said I’ll have to test that one again.
Hi Jeremiah, I love your videos. They are very intuitive. Is there a chance you could perhaps do a video specifically on the Vitilan U7 menu system best settings? More specifically, setting you consider to be the best to set, as the Operation Manual I received with the bike is not very intuitive. One of the changes I want to make is to change the % values of my PAS 1 through PAS 5. I was thinking of 39%--50%--75%--80%-- and 100% to speeds I think would be more suitable for me and my bike. Thank you, hope to hear back from you soon. PS I know you briefly touched on this topic in one of your videos. Cheers my friend!
Trying to decide btwn Lectric XP Step-Thru 3.0 and the Aventon Sinch.2. Have an ENZO that seems to UNrepairable and troubleshooting efforts for a sudden loss of power have been futile. Warranty, extended warranty and where to get service is my TOP priority
another great review jeremiah.i live in the uk where the motor power limit is 250w i bought a fat tyre folding bike with 500w motor 48v 16ah battery can do 28mph and it takes those banks with ease were a 250w cant so now we are out the eu id like my government to up the power of our ebike laws,well done on your video my friend.
As one of many significantly overweight people looking for an e-bike to increase their physical activity, weight capacity is key. Another thing that no other review covers is how much range, speed, and hill climbing ability are affected by the extra weight on the bike. I know that my 350 lb is going to significantly reduce all of those factors but it would be great to see some data. I would imagine the best way to test that would be with a bike trailer carrying weight. Nobody wants to wear a 200 lb backpack. 😁
I'm at 375 lbs. desiring to get an ebike and discovered that they simply don't exist in my weight category. They all seem to be for healthy light people.
Love all your reviews Jeremiah. Spot on. Keep up the great work, and I am loving my new XP 2.0. It is better than my near 3 year old XP. Does a newer battery pack more punch? Seems so.
Hey Fred great to see you here and thanks for watching! I haven’t had a chance to test the Ovia so I really can’t comment on the performance of it but I really do like the Kommoda I tested!
Thank you for the reviews. I have the Lectric 2.0 and looking for a bike rack for two of the 2.0's. I saw your link but my bikes are 65 lbs each which exceeds the bike rack/carrier. Do you recommend something different or should I remove the batteries to stay below the weight limit?
My Bafang 750W mid drive home built kit can climb that from a dead stop at the bottom. No joke. We also have a Lectric XP 2.0 step thru that my wife rides. For $999, it’s a pretty good deal and the performance is great for the price. Costs about what my Bafang kit and battery cost for an entire folding bike. Yeah, my bike can hit 34 mph on flat ground, but that’s honestly too fast for bicycle and you really should be wearing a full faced helmet at that point. I’m kinda considering trying to sell my home built bike and getting another Lectric XP for myself.
2:05 Heybike 48v 500w..... Throttle only: ~50%, W/ pedal: Cleared
2:43 Lectric Lite 48v 300w..... Throttle only: ~60%, W/ pedal: Cleared
3:22 Engwe C20 Pro 36v 250w..... Throttle only: ~38%, W/ pedal: Cleared
5:10 Regular bike Lowest gear..... Throttle only: ~75%, W/ pedal: N/a
5:55 Cyrusher Commode 48v 750w..... Throttle only: ~88% Halfway, W/ pedal: Cleared
6:22 Magicycle Cruiser Pro: 52v 750w..... Throttle only: 100%, W/ pedal: Cleared
7:10 Magicycle Cruiser: 52v 750w..... Throttle only: ~88%, W/ pedal: Cleared
8:15 Electric Bike Company Model E (?)..... Throttle only: ~88%, W/ pedal: Cleared
8:42 Lectric XPremium 48v 500w (~50% battery)..... Throttle only: ~63%, W/ pedal: Cleared
9:26 Lectric XPremium 48v 500w (100% battery)..... Throttle only: ~75%, W/ pedal: Cleared
10:33 Lectric 2.0 Step-Thru 48v 500w..... Throttle only: ~63%, W/ pedal: Cleared
11:11 G-force T42 48v 750w..... Throttle only: ~75%, W/ pedal: Cleared
11:56 Heybike Explorer 48v 750w..... Throttle only: ~88%, W/ pedal: Cleared
12:19 Snapcycle R148v 750w..... Throttle only: ~88%, W/ pedal: Cleared
12:42 Engwe EP-2 Pro 48v 750w..... Throttle only: ~50%, W/ pedal: Cleared
13:27 Engwe Engine Pro 48v 750w*..... Throttle only: ~75%, W/ pedal: Cleared
14:44 Vitilan i7 48v 750w..... Throttle only: ~99%*, W/ pedal: Cleared
15:26 G-force ZM 48v 750w (~50% battery):..... Throttle only: ~88%, W/ pedal: Cleared
16:22 Walkee H6 48v 750w..... Throttle only: ~99%*, W/ pedal: Cleared
17:32 Rattan LM750 48v 750w..... Throttle only: ~99%*, W/ pedal: Cleared
18:10 Aventon Aventure 48v 750w..... Throttle only: ~99%*, W/ pedal: Cleared
Note: Measured via the lawn striping (/8 @ 12.5% each line), starting past the wood chip trail.
Results "W/ pedal: Cleared" vary with ease.
Thanks for these tests dude.
Wow….Awesome thank you. The only problem I see with that is this was filmed on multiple different days so not sure if the striping is the same in every clip or not. It might be tho.
Did you see my second hill test video?
@@JeremiahMcintosh no I have not
What you think about wildeway 32 Ah big battery?? Hope you text. I will subscribe. For the price. Folding bike. 1300 $$ I had buy it 😅
Was the Engwe EP-2 Pro the 2022 upgraded version?
@@JeremiahMcintosh - Was the Engwe EP-2 Pro the 2022 upgraded version?
Finally an ebike video with simple facts straight to the point giving the brand, model, and specs.
This is great! Real-world comparison, 19 bikes, 19 minutes. This is what I really like to see!
Thank You.
Thnbx
I’d like this comment, but it’s currently at 19 likes which fits the 19 bikes, 19 mins 😂
Haha 20 now so you may as well make it 21 😂
@@JeremiahMcintosh Done 😆
Motors on a bicycle are awesome. Once you experience an ebike you’re going to wonder why you hadn’t purchased one sooner. Your experiment showed the riders weight means a lot, and a little bit of extra motor wattage provides a noticeable amount improvement power as well as strength going up hills.
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It's almost like a motorcycle. Yes of course it's awesome. Motorcycles are awesome. motorize 2 wheels and it kicks butt.
also means skinnier legs and bigger bellies for those average e-bike riders vs athletic bicyclists , LOL!
And it's not just the motor part that makes it extra sick. It's the electric part with automatic full torque on demand that's so sick about ebikes. My nephew was into making gas powered ones with his buddies in his area and this Sept he came up to visit and I let him take my 1400 Watt 52v rear hub ebike for a spin. And now he wants one badly.
@@jdgoesham5381 Drop the hammer on a 600cc sport bike with 120 plus HP and see what you think.
This was very helpful to me. As a big guy at around 270 lbs., this video told me I better stick with my side by side for dear hunting in TN. Even at your weight it couldn’t pull the hills without help.
Jeremiah you my friend think like a consumer , I was for a long time wishing someone would do this comparison , because on a flat ground we cannot really tell the difference between any ebike . hill climbing is the real world test . Thank you brother
That’s the mindset I try to have when making my videos and power is the hardest thing to show in a video. Glad you like it!
It takes more power to move a heavier bike. Bigger and bigger batteries are heavy, full suspension is heavy, wide tires and rims are heavy. These big fat tire bikes rarely see any off-road but their weight (70+lbs. and more) definitely makes riding them slowly or moving them around the garage way more difficult. I have a Ride1Up Core 5 and even with a 48v 10.4AH battery I can go 30-45 miles and it’s light enough to ride like a regular bike with no power on flats. My friend has a big fat tire bike and I’m amazed at how heavy it feels and forget about riding it without assist.
They are not for weight lifting, they were meant to be ridden, and they sure do their job !!!!
Fun fat tires are cool (not).
Thanks Jeremiah for sharing your experiences of interesting ebikes you have found. There are hundreds of brands and models out there. Deciding which one best fits your needs and wallet can be a challenge and your reviews help a lot with our choices!
Excellent review. This is how the performance of an e-bike should be tested. On the level, they all go well, but not uphill. I like to follow your reviews, they are the best here. Thank you.
Thank You. I agree but as you can see with a little pedaling they all did well and many of them will be just fine for a lot of people.
I like your more scientific approach to comparing these bikes. Other folks give their opinions which can be interesting, but you showed exactly what I was looking to see. Interesting that a more powerful bike MIGHT also be heavier which could impact its performance. Thank you.
Thank You and Your welcome. I like to physically show what I’m talking about in my videos. Glad you found it helpful!
Given all the variables and the fact that you chose a grassy hill, I can’t see the value of this comparison. All bikes should have been charged fully and unused prior to test. A paved incline would have helped level the traction disparities also. Maybe having your son time a fixed distance in the test climb/run would bring additional value. And then, as another poster mentioned, a final chart with the results by bike design, classification & weight.
For those who are considering a folding bike for transport, know that some models have gotten to the point where the weight and bulk when folded are pretty difficult to lift and load into an SUV. I bought the Lectric XP Premium, which has 2 batteries and a claimed range of 100 miles, and as a retiree at 5-11 and 225, I find it almost impossible to lift and load alone when it is folded. Although the 80 lb. weight may seem manageable to many, when it is folded, it just becomes a very big bulky contraption with no convenient lift points when lifting alone. Looking back, maybe should have just bought a lighter weight full size to have the increased stability, comfort, and efficiencies that come with larger wheel diameters and traditional frame designs. Most of these fold-ups are using very thick heavy metal construction to regain the rigidity lost in a fold-up design. And lastly, most of the popular TH-cam reviews are compromised by kick-backs so after narrowing down your preference, find a dealer or someone who owns the model and check it out in person. Kind of embarrassing to have a fold-up that needs to be trailered or racked.
All the batteries were fully charged except for the Magicycle which I mentioned but didn’t matter because it had the most power anyway. And you make some good points that’s why I mentioned in the beginning of the video not to base your decision fully off this video alone and that there are many other factors you should consider before buying an electric bike. Thanks for your input that was one thing I was going to mention in my future video I talked about.
Cheers.
I remove the batteries before I lift something like that.
I am getting the dualbattery Wallke and pulling the batteries shaves almost 20Lbs off of the lift weight
RATTAN LM 750 48V/13AH 750W FAT TIRE ELECTRIC BIKE.....Best buy or? Thank you.
Outstanding review with a excellent cross section of eBikes! I appreciate you using bikes with throttles, something I consider an essential feature.
ngl you testing that non electric bike was one of the best part of this video cause it gave an idea, that how much of a difference can an electric bike make going up hill
Outstanding review! The motor torque or power of an electric bike is one of my most important factors, along with price when buying an ebike. This video helps a lot. I do wish that Ariel Rider would send to you their Kepler ebike for testing because I would like to see it go head to head against the Magic cycle.
I agree that would be a good test. Honestly I’ve been dying to review their grizzly lol.
hub vs mid drive matters even more than the torque for climbing, mid drives climb efficiently and without overheating but they're less affordable
@@geemy9675 They also eat chains and sprockets, ie, more maintenance... My $849 T42 (with Jeremiah's discount) is state of the art, Hyd Disc Brakes, 80nm torque, bad to the bone for a starter bike!
@@geemy9675 EXACTLY! But, a Bafang BBS02 full kit will kick ANY non mid drive ebike under $3000 - $4000! And, you can buying them with a 14ah battery with name brand cells, for under $600 complete and shipped! (bigger batteries available, of course)
IT WILL BLOW YOU MIND! And, destroy any of these ebikes he tested. It won't even be close.... :)
@@KOrnhOliO1 mid drive will win steep climbs but you re comparing diy bike which is not for everyone with stock.
there are also many ways in which one bike can be "better" than another. price, value, maintenance, battery integration, range, ease of use, speed... mid drive has downsides too
I just picked up the Jansno X50 48v 14 ah battery and 750 watt motor with 25 amp controller. The latest release has superior fender systems, Packaging and it is an impressive bike. Especially the price. I pull a Nomad trailer behind it with my 12v 54 ah Dakota Lithium battery, 50 watt solar panel mounted on top along with my backpack. This totals 52.8 pounds and made a 27.6 mile trip on pedal assist 1, a few minor hills and had 51% battery left. I pedaled the entire trip, maintained 11.7 mph and was very happy
Man, I thought for sure the mid drive would have kicked butt....but no, Im very surprised. Thanks for the video! Great work!
Yeah it still did pretty well but a 750 or 1000w Mid-Drive motor would have been way better!
Most would!
The only difference I really have seen in more affordable e-bikes comparing a hub Drive motor to a mid-drive motor is the price tags and I like the Hub motor just as well and especially if writing asphalt roads and not really anything trail riding the Hub mount in my opinion is the way to go if a person doesn't want to spend a lot of money on a good bike
Really helpful for someone like myself that lives in a very hilly area, north Georgia mountains. (Yes we have mountains in Georgia!)
I appreciate the work you put into this video.
It is becoming painfully obvious to me that I might have to build my own, second E-Bike as none of these bikes really did much better than my Walmart E-bike would have done. Putting those drive systems on a 20-pound super-cycle would likely fly up that hill. I don't want to do a build, but I also do not want to spend three thousand dollars for a bike.
I can disagree with that to some extent but if you have the perfect bike already and was thinking about throwing a mid drive on it then yes you are correct that’s probably your best bet.
If you don’t already have a bike that you’re happy with, Depending on the style of bike you’re looking for there are some great options out there for around $1000. for example the GeForce T 42 was recently $800 after the coupon code which is crazy cheap in my opinion.
There’s a link in the description of my video to it but not sure if the coupon is still available or not.
Get a Bafang BBS02 full conversion kit. If you already have a bike you like - easily convert it to an ebike...for under $600! Aliexpress has them with a 14ah, name brand cells battery for about $575 shipped with everything, including the tools to do the conversion. Amazon has them for more money too. Anyone can do it!
There are a bunch of step by step videos on TH-cam. That and any bike you choose, will destroy any of these bikes he tested....and it won't even be close! Seriously! Check it out...
I have also bought a similar electric bike, the EUY NXB. My son also likes it very much. He always rides it out to play. Electric bikes really bring us a lot of conveniences.
Nice video and comparisons! I changed out my XP 2.0 sprocket to a 11-34t and that made a big difference on the high speed and low speed for hill climbing, $31 from Amazon and bike shop charged $15 labor, well worth it!
What's an 11-34t mean? I'm new to this
I agree it’s definitely worth the upgrade.
It’s the freewheel that goes on the back hub. I actually made a video about this on my old Lectric bike make sure you check it out.
@@JeremiahMcintosh Do you still have that bike Jeremiah? Also do you think that would have made that hill with tha upgrade?
Yes I still have the original lectric bike and no it would’ve not made it up the hill without pedaling. The freewheels not gonna make a difference on motor power but it will make a difference on how easy it is to help pedal. It would’ve went up just as easy as the 2.0 pedaling
I have the Electric 2.0 ST, and a big uphill climb to a stop sign near my home. Thanks so much for showing a new rider this 'how-to.'
Wish you would have tested the Lectric XP as well. Would have been nice to see how it did against the other two Lectrics you tested.
It’s pretty much the same power as the 2.0 that’s why I didn’t include it but maybe I’ll include it in the next one.
Lectrics have crap for batteries
THANK U FOR PUTTING YOUR SON ON BIKE!!!!! I am only 5’ and it showed me without a doubt that i could ride the bike he was on. Handlebar each etc. THANK U!!!!!! GREAT VIDEO!!
Thank you. Glad you found it helpful.
I really appreciate you making these videos. It's very time consuming I'm sure, and I hope you're getting compensated for your time however that works. Without these videos it's pretty much a shot in the dark when picking out an ebike. Thanks again, keep up the good work. - Dennis
Thank You Dennis that’s why I love making these videos. The only way I get compensated is if someone uses the link in the description of my videos to purchase a bike then we will receive a small commission.
Please give pricesif you can
There are links in the description where you can see all the current prices of each model in this video.
The motor on the Rattan 750 is extremely powerful. It takes me up very steep hills carrying heavy0 groceries with ease.
Good video. Man, I was really considering the Engwe EP-2 because the price with an additional battery is really good. $1100 with 2 13ah batteries is just a really good deal. But I went with the Lectric bike since I live in Phoenix and can go down and test ride all of them. It's nice knowing it isn't using so much electricity since while camping it will be draining my solar setup and has roughly the same amount of power as the Engwe. I went with he xp 3 cause it was a better deal, but man was the light fun to ride. Carried me around no problem just not having any gears to worry about just made it seem so much fun to ride. I would have bought it, but once you factor in buying the stuff it doesn't come with, it's not cheaper than the bigger bikes.
I just moved from a hilly area of Georgia and my driveway is quite steep. So steep that being in my seventies I was hesitant to ride my bike. This u7 went out of the uphill driveway, and thru two neighborhood miles of up and down hills with 5 bars still showing. The hill you use for your tests must be a lot steeper than it looks, after initial disappointment with the defective flip up seat and customer no service, I can say now, I’m glad I purchased this ebike.
Great video! I would love to see the Heybike Cityscape, Ranger, and Mars all make attempts to see where they all fare. It seems many of the fat tire bikes are not able to accelerate up to speed quickly enough on your short straight away in the grass due to all that additional rolling resistance. That's why I suspect the thinner tire Cityscape may punch above its weight in terms of its 350w motor since it'll have less rolling resistance. Looking forward to seeing that!
This cityscape is significantly less powerfull And would not do nowhere near as well as any of these bikes. The Heybike Mars and Ranger Or about the same as far as power.
@@JeremiahMcintosh I'd still love to see it!
Thank you for all the different ebike text you do for us views as it makes it easier to know what Voltage ebike to buy
I really appreciate the effort you put into this video. A lot! What it tells me that most 500W - 750W e-bikes are virtually the same. Not a lot of difference. Yes, there are style differences, etc but when it boils down to getting you over that hill throttle only, they all perform mostly identical. I have the original Lectric 1.0. Been a fantastic worry free bike. I'm kinda looking for my next bike. However, your video has just told me all these new bikes are not really going to outperform what I have to any great degree. Personally, I would be looking for a substantial improvement. You have helped me now to look in a new direction whatever that may be. I'm guessing the torque of all these motors are similar. You helped educate me further. Thanks very much.
Make sure you check out my newest Hill test video with 26 bikes and you may think differently. Let me know what you think if you watch it.
I THINK PERSONALLY THESE BIKES LIKE THE BAKCOU SCOUT THOSE BACKCOUNTRY BIKES ARE PROBABLY WORTH LOOKING INTO . I LIKE THE SCOUT PERSONALLY.
What about FIIDO T1 PRO & HITWAY Electric Bike? Thanks.
Awesome video! Time stamps for each bike would’ve been great 😅
Reason the magicycle has more power is it has a 750w motor with a 900 or 1k booster in the controller. I really like my magicycle for commuting or long distance. hill climbing is also amazing. But it does not fold.
Your testing really shows that not all motors are made equal. I was especially impressed with the Vitalin with how much that bike costs. The Lectrics are also very well made motors and their 500W motors seem to be almost as good as some 750W bikes. The XP 2.0 (500W) can really rip after some tweaks to the settings! I'm ~140lbs, I thought I'd eventually want more power after getting my XP 2.0 but it's actually plenty of power for me! =)
I agree it has plenty of power for a 500 watt bike and outperforms most 500 W bikes. The electrics are you going to be excellent for most people and most people will not be going up hills like this LOL. The higher wattage bikes are nice though for maintaining a faster speed when traveling and you hit a hill the lectric will do the hill just at a slower pace.
another factor is the controller amperage may vary across bikes, leading to different performance with similar if not identical motors. It's the phase amps that influence hub motor torque for a test like this. Some manufacturers give the 750W motor a 25amp controller and they will peak at 1300 watts, and then it's a completely different beast. The wheel size will have a big impact as well, those 26" wheels are at a disadvantage climbing.
The wattage of the motor isn't a good indicator of the power of the system. Multiply your voltage by how many amps the controller pulls to find the wattage going through the motor. At best, brushless hub motors work at about 90% efficiency.
To find your power, multiply volts by amps and then the answer multiply by 0.9 to accommodate efficiency losses. That will tell you the real power of the bike.
That’s not always true because even if some bikes have a larger controller the bikes can be programmed from the manufacture at a lower amp output. I have seen this on a few different bikes where adjusting that amperage in the settings doesn’t make a difference because they have it set to a specific output and that’s why I like doing these tests.
@@JeremiahMcintosh Do you think it's possible that manufacturers turn down the settings in order to comply with local laws in various countries? I easily found the info to 'tweak' the T42 you helped me get. And pedaling like crazy, I can tackle some pretty significant hills at 20mph, with the cruise taking over on the downhill sides, I often have to brake a little for speed limits...
Try the G20 PRO AND H20 PRO Foldable Electric Bike.
Great video! I liked the choice of the grass hill as I think that really gives a good worst-case scenario. I thought the comparison with the normal bicycle was really great too.
I feel like a lot of these ebikes are going to suffer from lack of parts availability as they age. I could be wrong but I didn't see any that seemed to have the standard 26" rims used for decades in the most common bikes such as low-end mountain bikes and touring bikes. Even the ones you showed with the 20" rims (same diameter as BMX) seem to have a wider tire so I wonder whether the rims are standard at all.
Also some of those e-bikes just look massive in terms of weight. Imagine having to carry one of those up the stairs/overpass to get to the other side of the train station to catch your train!
I think they are becoming so common and popular like the Shimano 7 speeds that available parts shouldn't be an issue. Chinese manufacturers will produce replacement products as long as the demand is there.
Thanks for taking the time to make this video, I have a lot of hill here in Pennsylvania where I live this will help me with choosing my next e-bike keep up the good work.
I currently own two eBikes a Biktrix Juggernaut HD with a 1000watt mid-drive. I like this one for the exercise and I have yet to see a hill it won't handle. My other one is a Juiced RipRacer with a 750 rear hub drive, not really for exercise but great for running around town in a hurry.
I have a 500w 36v Ebike and it seems to pull
Me along fine! I even went to a park with steep trails.YES I had to pedal and used max assist 5 but it got me up everything I needed to go up! But I’m 140lbs so guessing that helps a lot lol
Your review on the Vitilan i7 sold me on the features that were included. Plus, I got a great price with your discount along with the manufactures discount. But this video of different bikes was confirmation for me that I made the right choice. I wasn’t totally in need of the top of the line power, but that was an added bonus seeing the power the Vitilan i7 has, along with all the other features that I did want.
I have the Vitalan v3 and it seems powerful enough.amazing ride.
I have a V3 no issues with going up 30 Degree hills here in Pa...Great Bike!
Their tech support is excellent 👍
Two thumbs up 👍👍A great video for reviewing multiple e bike brands. Content worthy of your time and consideration.✌😎
I figured the EP2 Pro wouldn't fare too well because I saw your full review, but it takes me up the more sloping hills around my house just fine, and I'm well over 200 lbs. Great review, really enjoyed the comparison!
It’s not bad but it’s more comparable to my 500w bikes.
That thing was so underpowered it was noticeable even before it hit the slope. Took off from a stop very very slowly.
@@JeremiahMcintosh pleasw try to test Ariel rider bikes
@@JeremiahMcintosh hi, also if you could test dual motor fat bikes at same hill to see how they climb
Yes I would love to but don’t currently have any dual motor bikes possibly in the future tho!
That 250 watt did as good as the 300 and 500 watt lectrics on just throttle. Gives my Ancheer 350 watt bike some hope. Thanks so much for the review!
If you like the bike you have and it works for you that's all that matters.
They all seem comparable based on motor watts and weight. I built a mid drive ebike with a kit and put it on a 26inch mt bike with disc brakes and its a freaking beast. It would climb that hill like a goat with no pedaling. I have a heybike with 500 watt motor and a BPM Imports 750 watt, both rear hub motors and they are both cool bikes but the mid drive kicks butt on both of them. The 750 wat rear hub kicks butt on the 500 watt bike as expected. You get what you pay for and I have to add getting a more expensive bike is probably worth it. They skimp on important things like the quality of the battery and its components, look at battery ebike fire videos on youtube then decide if you want that cheap ass ebike. I'll pass.
Mid drive e-bike wits are a wiring mess. 90% of people do not want to ride a science experiment. Yes I know there are "good" but the cost of a mid drive kit added to a "good" bike, you may as well buy new instead of tinkering.
@@bindingcurve I tucked mine nicely but your not entirely wrong but a comparable new ebike can cost twice as much or more if you already have a bike you love then the kits are great plus you can move everything to a different bike if you want. To each there own.
@@jstar1000Most of the home build bikes are based sub $500 bikes with $1500 kits on them. But no bike manufactured is going to do that. SO when you say "comparable" your not being truthful. If they are going to build a Mountain E-bike, it will be based on a $2500 full suspension bike. Well, then get a Luna X2 for $4200. If they are going to build a commuter a Ride one up Prodigy for $2300.
"cheep" hub drives, the Core 5. Really cheep, the Hypers from Walmart. And I get it, cheep bikes can do a lot of what a "expensive" bike can do, My Axum was $230, and rides a lot like my $1000 Cannondale Trail. But they are NOT the same bike, not even close. Now if someone would provide good frames, I may be interested in build my own, but I think you will find there is not much of a savings.
@@bindingcurve I put a $1000 750 watt bafang kit on my Gary Fischer disc brakes bike and it's pretty awesome. I can't buy anything prebuilt for $1000 and get a middrive 750 watt set up like mine.
@@jstar1000 How much was the bike when it was NEW in 2022 dollars? Again, your fooling yourself into thinking its a $1000 bike
Very helpful. I'm shopping around for the best bike for the hills around my area. Thank you so much!
Thanks, its nice to see the comparisons on biles when battery is 50% and 100% because one you leave home, the battery is no longer 100%. Appreiate all the work to help us!
Thank you for this vid, I'm a large 300lb guy planning on doing some nomadic adventures and I want to make an e bike camper. So with all that weight, I need load capacity and torque so pretty much power. Thank you
Thank you for the fairest review (actual real review) published on you tube.
Follow this guy and get true test reviews.
There is Hope left for mankind.
Always Have to keep it honest no matter what!
It was helpful to see how well each bike did in this type scenario. We'll be using our new ebikes to casually tour while we are traveling the country in our RV. We are adventure riders by any means, but occasionally there can be a steep grade on an otherwise easy trail that will require plenty of power to make the grade. Thanks for sharing.
9-5-2023 I purchased (on Amazon) a HANEVEAR H-100, 20'' Fat tire, Folding Electric E-Bike, AWD 1500W Dual Motor (750w ea.), w/ LG 16Ah Lithium Battery & Hydraulic Brake, Full Suspension, PAS Improve 370%....It arrives in a couple days. Without finding one to test what's your best guess on performance? There's several good YT videos on it....seems to have a lot of power...so it seems like a good deal for the price....mostly 5 star reviews.
Great test video! Was hoping to see my "future bike" comparison...but still learned more here than any other vid, thx!
I think with the Engine Pro, you want to be using PAS only, not using the throttle at the same time. I have an EP-2 Pro and there's definitely no power limiter when using PAS only because it flies up hills with me pedaling on level 5 PAS. Can get up to around 24-25mph up the hill leading to my house (probably around a 13% grade). I do have to put in a bit of work to maintain that speed, but I don't mind. It's a good workout 😄
Thanks for the quick response. Love the Kommoda also, it was my 1st choice after I watched your review. Then I saw the Ovia with the larger battery & higher cranks.. I'll keep looking for your review.
Best regards; Fred
Jeremiah, quick ride to the top in more ways than one. Congratulations
Now, do a test on actual powerful ebikes that run on 1000w motors! That's the test everybody wants to see!
Could you please test some of the dual wheel powered bikes. Some of them have huge duel batteries. Some of them claim they have a maximum speed of around 41 mph with petal assist 5. Most e-bikes I’ve seen are metal. Are there any that are partially carbon fiber? They claim carbon fiber is around a quarter to a third the weight of steel. That would have a 80 pound bike weighing as little as 20 to 26 pounds. I just saw a FREEGO SHOTGUN F3 Pro Dual Battery Dual Motor - 2000 Watt, 48V ripping around like a demon. The rider claimed the dual powered wheels gave it twice as much power for climbing steep grades.
Thank you sir. While mostly 'anecdotal', due to the full vss partial charge condition, the test demos seemed to reveal what to expect from each bike. Thumb up entered!
What an effort doing the review for all these bike!!! You rock man!
Wow I started watching you back a few years with your first electric bike and for some reason your channel hasn’t been coming up positive today and I resubscribe and wow what a ride bikes to choose from now
Great to see you back! Thank You!
This was a very good video !!!thank you. It is pretty awesome to see which bikes climb better than others on such a steep hill.
Thank You
@@JeremiahMcintosh do you not have the Tesco 1000 watt bike anymore? I would have liked to seen it climb this hill
Hi That was really helpful thanks for making this video I'll probably come back time and time again so thank you. What do you think of conversion kits? the ones I looked at are as much as some of the bikes, but I love my bike just would be easier if it had a bit of power Great Video!
Thank you Veronica. I have never used a conversion kit before so really can’t say but you are right sometimes they are pretty expensive depending on the components you get then you have to find a spot to mount the components like the controller and battery.
I have the Aventure and I am very pleased with your testing.
Thanks John!
Great video. All of your videos are very informative. Thanks.
Thanks a lot, Jeremiah. I was ready to make a huge mistake. 750 watts are more than 1 hp, and that's not enough power. Maybe 1000 watts will do. But I need to see their performance against a steep hill. Those bikes look very cool, but they are terribly underpowered.
Great job. Congratulations.
Great video! What app are you using on your phone?
Great video. Im about to buy my first ebike. I have an extremely low budget though. So im going to end up with one of those 400-500 dollar amazon/walmart bikes. Ill probably do a walmart one, just so I can return it locally without paying for shipping if something is wrong with it.
This is a really good comparison in real world conditions. Kudos to you sir!
Great and fair reviews of all these electric bikes. I'm undecided between Aniioki A7 Pro and Wallke H6. Likely H6 has more power and bigger/larger but I like the A7 Pro style. What's opinion? Thanks
Oh, I just posted day ago one up hill test 360 video and was about to make the up hill test video with about 8 ebikes but 19 ebikes is amazing..
Great to see some power up hill...RANGE and SPEED is what most people are looking for..Well Done😊
Appreciate your effeort and time used in making this informative video👍🏽
Nice video sir.
I would love to test my eBike Friday up that hill. Please. I'll bet if you asked a bunch of people with different eBikes would show up on a weekend and you could create a fun little hill climb event.
I'm REALLY surprised the Lectric XPremium mid drive performed so poorly! I would have expected more from a mid drive. I guess 500W isn't quite enough. With a BBS02 750W mid drive, you could climb that hill all day if you really wanted. Thanks for trying that again with a full battery, thats important.
Yeah I figured it would’ve been good to show at 50% charge and then 100%.
I have a feeling its the controller (not delivering enough power [current]) that is holding the XPremier back. In first gear, I expected it to perform MUCH better than it did. Very disappointing.
Love this video it was very informative keep up the great work thank you.
My preferred E bike now is actually a regular bicycle where the manufacturer has added, E bike capability; that means you can use the bike with or without the battery, and there’s not as much about power when the battery is on. Depending on what you want to use it for, that’s better. By that I mean with the battery on, I can still go up hills, but I have to pedal hard, giving me a good workout that I want. On the other hand, if someone just wants to use a bike for functional purposes for example to go to work or make deliveries, A dedicated E bike with greater power that requires less effort would make more sense. You might want to consider a comparison of these two types of bikes: dedicated heavy eBikes, versus existing bike manufacturers, who have added ebike capability to conventional bikes.
Wow, nice Ebikes and a great comparison in the real world, although I am glad my 400 watt 14" can make it up hill somewhat as I am getting ready to drop that review soon. Thanks for your hard work man.
Nicely done, and useful. I’m considering an e-bike. There’s a lot of competition, which is a good thing.
This is the only video with a bill test that I have found helpful.
I’m in the process of making a second hill test and I think it will be very helpful as well.
Thanks for putting this together! Great video!
Thank You!
Always looking for a good comparison of Ebikes. Thanks, Jeremiah!
Thank you! Make sure you check out my second hill test video because it’s a little bit different!
Disappointing that you didn't prep all the batteries for this test. But it's fine. Very cool you did take all the trouble to do the video. Very cool! Thanks for showing!
Thank you Kevin. The Only one that wasn’t fully charged was the magicycle cruiser pro that won so it didn’t matter and the gforce ZM which I said I’ll have to test that one again.
Loved this video, trying to decide on an ebike and i just moved to a house on the hill LOL but its at a 80 degree angle and this helped alot
Hi Jeremiah, I love your videos. They are very intuitive. Is there a chance you could perhaps do a video specifically on the Vitilan U7 menu system best settings? More specifically, setting you consider to be the best to set, as the Operation Manual I received with the bike is not very intuitive. One of the changes I want to make is to change the % values of my PAS 1 through PAS 5. I was thinking of 39%--50%--75%--80%-- and 100% to speeds I think would be more suitable for me and my bike. Thank you, hope to hear back from you soon. PS I know you briefly touched on this topic in one of your videos. Cheers my friend!
This is exactly what I needed to know, thank you so much. 👍🏻
You are most welcome!
awesome educ video. would love to see a all terrain e baike video. Especially now that mid drive is the hot new thing. Thx for great video
Marvelous! Thank you for sharing your hard work!
Thank You!
What ebike is best for RV's, size important for storage as well as power, etc for older adults.
Very well put video
Trying to decide btwn Lectric XP Step-Thru 3.0 and the Aventon Sinch.2.
Have an ENZO that seems to UNrepairable and troubleshooting efforts for a sudden loss of power have been futile.
Warranty, extended warranty and where to get service is my TOP priority
Great editing! Easy to follow even with 19 bikes!
another great review jeremiah.i live in the uk where the motor power limit is 250w i bought a fat tyre folding bike with 500w motor 48v 16ah battery can do 28mph and it takes those banks with ease were a 250w cant so now we are out the eu id like my government to up the power of our ebike laws,well done on your video my friend.
Thank you Colin. Yeah that sucks about the Ebike laws there!
Given the popularity of the Rad Bike line, it would have been interesting to add one or two Rad Ebikes into the mix
Unfortunately I have not had a chance to test out any rad bikes.
As one of many significantly overweight people looking for an e-bike to increase their physical activity, weight capacity is key.
Another thing that no other review covers is how much range, speed, and hill climbing ability are affected by the extra weight on the bike.
I know that my 350 lb is going to significantly reduce all of those factors but it would be great to see some data. I would imagine the best way to test that would be with a bike trailer carrying weight. Nobody wants to wear a 200 lb backpack. 😁
Thank You for the suggestions.
I'm at 375 lbs. desiring to get an ebike and discovered that they simply don't exist in my weight category. They all seem to be for healthy light people.
Love all your reviews Jeremiah. Spot on. Keep up the great work, and I am loving my new XP 2.0. It is better than my near 3 year old XP. Does a newer battery pack more punch? Seems so.
It could depending how much degradation your old battery has.
Love your video's > I'm a newbie at 82 yrs young, the Cyrusher Ovia looks inviting as my first ebike. Any thoughts?
Hey Fred great to see you here and thanks for watching! I haven’t had a chance to test the Ovia so I really can’t comment on the performance of it but I really do like the Kommoda I tested!
Thank you for the reviews. I have the Lectric 2.0 and looking for a bike rack for two of the 2.0's. I saw your link but my bikes are 65 lbs each which exceeds the bike rack/carrier. Do you recommend something different or should I remove the batteries to stay below the weight limit?
I used the overdrive sport rack and I’ve been happy with it. Typically I remove both batteries and seats to keep the weight down to the correct limit.
My Bafang 750W mid drive home built kit can climb that from a dead stop at the bottom. No joke. We also have a Lectric XP 2.0 step thru that my wife rides. For $999, it’s a pretty good deal and the performance is great for the price. Costs about what my Bafang kit and battery cost for an entire folding bike. Yeah, my bike can hit 34 mph on flat ground, but that’s honestly too fast for bicycle and you really should be wearing a full faced helmet at that point. I’m kinda considering trying to sell my home built bike and getting another Lectric XP for myself.
I was ready to pull then trigger on a Lectric XPremire mid drive until I saw this video. Very disappointing performance.
I will also have a second hill test video on a different hill coming out soon that should help show the differences more.
Awsome review Jeremiah thanks for all your hard work....
Thank You
I love it man! Great place to test in case you need a soft landing! Keep up the great job and thanks!
Thank You. I should have part two out soon!
Would you make a full comparison with the electric x 3.0 vs walked h6?... Or the best 3 foldable ebikes? Or best 2 dual motor foldable ebike?