One thing (of many) that I hate about AEW, is that they just dump you into feuds with absolutely no build. Not even video packages If Tony Khan ran the MCU; Tony Stark would’ve fought Thanos in Iron Man 2.
@@CarlGonzalesGuitar exactly, you won't do this word for word, it's the spirit that matters: your matches have to make sense, they have to be consistent with characters, roles and gerarchy. That's the mistake when they copy UFC: it's fine to take inspiration, but this thing has to LOOK REAL, not BE REAL. It has its right distance from reality, where illusions live. If you get too close to reality, it ends up looking fake, dangerous and ineffective: most people don't even get what actually happens in a real boxing or jujitsu match, they think that's fake! That's a dive! That hold wasn't deep! All the time, so it does not matter. Also you can't be the real thing because every closed hold and almost every knockdown must end a match, and that's the end of wrestling. But you can't even go too far from it, doing gymnastics, if you do again this becomes dangerous, and even more importantly the suspension of disbelief doesn't work.
Good Lord do I love hearing this type of content. Every time Jim teaches wrestling in this form of fashion I feel like I am in a college auditorium listening to a master professor
It was so well described that I could see the match in my head, I've seen enough of those teams to know exactly how it would go and how they would be moving
from my small experience as a local pro wrestler you've never heard of: My buddy and I were at a small promotion, mainly just getting me some ring experience in front of an actual crowd, so we asked the promoter what he wanted. It basically went like this: Us: When do you want us out there? Him: Second match. Us: How long you need us to go? Him: (looks down his card) Gimme 10-12 minutes, give or take. Us: finish? Him: (He knows I'm green as grass) Do whatever y'all are comfortable doing, I just need the face going over. That was it.
@@redkritter1225 the indies in my area have paid training usually in tbe promoters pole barn, or a seminar with whoever the past wwe or national guy getting booked on tbe show (I trained with Tim storm and Rene Dupree before local nwa shows years ago)
@@redkritter1225 For me it was mid 2000s before TH-cam I met Indy guys at my job. They broke me in. We then watched tapes at my house. Between taping WWF, watching Indy tapes, & doing trivia, & training. I got smartened up fast. I was "brought in" because we would do trivia & they said "You know your shiet. You're not a mark." Then they exposed their secrets to me.
I'd also add what do they represent whether it be for the good or the evil & how they go about it, Character & their mindset is key. Otherwise you have Red Robot & Blue Robot punching each other.
I LOVE wrestling psychology. When Jim said “hit ricky with the double suplex earlier so when you try to give it to Robert the fans will know what you’re going for” 🤯 this is great stuff. That never would have occurred to me
This is the stuff Jim needs to be taking about. Mix this with a watch along and the classic stuff I grew up on in the 80s and I wouldn't complain. Forget the modern stuff.
Which Tony Khan probably won't learn jack $h!t. He thinks he's the second coming of Jerry Jarrett (RIP), but as Jim says TK doesn't know $h!t from apple butter about booking. There's no such thing as booking class, but if there was one, Tony would probably fail the seminar within the first two weeks and say to himself "I know how to book, I don't need this".
@@connor7036 lmao! Fucking ridiculous if I were a talent and was being wooed by aew, I'd not go on a few things but, the fact that they say they don't need advice would be my first reason not to go. It proves they don't want to get bigger as a company! It's likely why Cody split! He's like well this is as big as it gets, I want more.
The knowledge and experience of Jim Cornette is priceless, and yet, here it is free for all on TH-cam. He could be charging people $50 or more for this, but he's not. He truly wants wrestling to get better. There's no reason why someone in a position of power or influence shouldn't be able to listen and learn from Jim. The more I hear this stuff, and the more I see no one doing it, the more it kinda pisses me off. This generation is full of know it alls, who are so full of themselves, who don't take advice, and it shows via the horrible ratings, and how very little makes any actual sense. We should all take a moment to thank Jim and Brian for the gift of these professional wrestling podcasts. Not only entertaining, they are informative and insightful.
This is one of the reasons why Wrestling went downhill to me. Everyone can take it to everyone, even the champion. I remember seeing Roman Reigns get taken to the limit by Xavier Woods of all people and I was like " Why? Woods not going any higher on the card." Reigns should have beaten Woods in 7 or 8 minutes flat.
It could be either the booker or the wrestlers involved. If Vince Russo is booking a viagra on a pole match, it's a lost cause, no matter what the wrestlers do. Sometimes there are legit botches in matches and those things just happen and sometimes they're because, like in AEW, the wrestlers are trying to be circus freaks, and they end up hurting themselves or the other guy. MJF was right in his big promo - he's a smart, safe worker. He doesn't drop people on their heads. Meanwhile, half the roster in AEW I wouldn't get in the ring with if my life depended on it. They'd send me into a wheelchair - permanently.
It's why I don't get the hate guys like Randy Orton or The Miz get. They're proper good pro wrestlers. They're safe, know what they're doing in ring, I can't say either have ever had a seriously terrible match. I mean there must be a reason it's always The Miz who's put with celebrity or showcase guys they bring in because they obviously trust him to call a match to not make it look stupid regardless of how green the guy he's in there with. If I was a booker I'd kill to have guys like MJF and The Miz on my roster. Great promos, safe workers, know how to put on a good match and can generate real heat.
Wrestling’s like porn: it used to have plots broken up with occasional sex scenes, now people just want to go straight to clips of the hardcore action.
The funniest was TNA building matches up to make it seem like the two guys wanted to kill each other. And then they get in the ring and start doing flips.
There are multiple factors that go into a match being good or bad. The 2 wrestlers may or may not work well together. The booker could put over the wrong guy or even write a bad finish. A great match could turn bad just from how horrible the ending is. A count out or DQ is often seen as a cop out finish to protect both guys. Even a roll up finish can be seen as cheap because the fans want to see matches end with a big move of some sort.
I mean dq's are only thought of that way now. Back in the late 90's in the WWF almost every single TV main event would end in a DQ or screwy finish. Because it protects all their top talent, keeps the feuds going and keeps people wanting to watch. If you just have a clean finish between two top guys on TV why will anyone care about seeing them so it again? They've already seen who won.
In the Attitude era for a good 2 years every single TV main event would involve some combination of Stone Cold, The Rock, HHH or The Undertaker and none would ever have a clean finish.
I've seen matches where you think on Paper these 2 could work & it turns out "Oil & Water" maybe they get it down pat down the line but other times it just doesn't cut it. Sometimes there's also cases of Sandbagging from one talent
@@NY32986 every Flair Vs Savage match was like this, it never worked and every match I saw them have was the total shits, the Wrestlemainia 8 match was one I was so looking forward too but it was awful, actually worse than Hogan Vs Sid
Sort of like the question for a football play - was it the coordinator for calling a play or the players for either making it happen or not. If the wrestlers believe in the "match plan" they will try and carry it out. As Jim says - part of it is making sense. If you've never used a table but suddenly bring one out, that does not make sense
13:00 Its changed now. all these guys wanna do is be on TV and hurt themselves. Jerry Jarrett said "they'd pay me to get into the ring". Scott Hall preaches slow down. Put a hold on the jobber to show your dominance. Let the jobber get in some moves but then cut him off quick. 5 minutes is an eternity
@@tylerneckbeard4294 he is a booker. He owns an indie wrestling company and a training center in texas. He trained roxanne oerez of nxt and athena of aew ampng others..he is a booker.
Basically, think of it like improv comedy, as seen on Whose Line is It Anyway? (though Second City is a better venue for it). You give the performer a premise, maybe a line of dialogue to incorporate and then the performer improvises everything you see.. Pro wrestling is, or was, improvisational theater. Now, it has become scripted theater, complete with elaborate choreography, which falls into the same formulaic patterns as a weekly sitcom. Guess which people came out to see, more often than not?
I don't get the media scrum thing. It's not like you can talk to wrestler about what he did or came up with to beat his opponent or why he did this or that to get the win. It's not like other sports where a player is like well I read this defense and seen this player covering this or that so I decided to call an audible etc etc. All the can talk about is how they scripted the match out before it happened and what did you think of the booking or writing for the gimmick and feuds.If they did that would be ruining kayfabe. If Tony just wants to sit there and talk about the gate or where the next event is and answer questions about where the companys direction is heading going forward or wrestlers he might wanna sign or re sign and that stuff. Just the idea you're gonna talk to the wrestlers about their win or loss seems so dumb.
Booker T's Booker asked for a Bookkeeper to keep Book of Booker T's Bookings, so Booker T's Booker can keep track of Booker T's Bookings, while he Books other superstars. He also likes reading Books.
To add to this, they plan out every step and spot so that it looks extremely rehearsed…which means if something happens that goes a little different than planned, instead of what logically comes next and improvising, they stick to the script even if it no longer makes sense. It’s like if you messed a line up in a play, the next person would reply sticking to script with a line that no longer makes sense. It ruins the immersion.
I don't want to be that guy, but this one of the most basic understandings of pro wrestling. I don't know why so many people conflate the booker's role with that of the agent's and the wrestlers.
I still wanna know who killed WCW w/the way Starcade Sting/Hogan was called. My favorite angle/build up ever somehow ended with probably the worst main event ever. (yes I'm still mad about this whenever it crosses my mind) Bischoff has made contradictory statements about his role ("I couldn't let Sting be the face of the company when he showed up for a meeting w/out a tan" vs "I left it up to the talent") and it looked sort of like a typical Hogan match but much worse than normal. And was totally inconsistent w/all the Sting matches leading up to it. How that was messed up so badly in so many ways boggles the mind. I blame everyone.
I think I see it. He assumes that the wrestlers are competent and trained how to just accomplish laying out a match in the ring. Let's be honest... these wrestlers don't get trained to do that. Though that IS a good thing about one of the promotion games that's out there: Adam Ryland's Total Extreme Warfare has a space for all the matches being set up, and let's be honest, it has a basic drop down for intensity, the amount of time, who wins, and how, and is it clean or not. Everything else is based on the 'chemistry' stats that basically said Bryan Danielson and CM Punk could have a good match with anyone, same with Nick Dinsmore in the earliest versions if you can remember, but other people have to have similar knowledges of similar styles, and the styles have to go along with what the general style of the promotion is. Makes sense to me, anyway.
I'm thinking that this particular fan doesn't need this explained. They need to just enjoy wrestling for a little while longer before digging in the mechanics.
READ the ENTIRETY of what I’m about to say.. Shows and Topics like these are what’s killing the business, This is in NO WAY saying Jim isn’t BRILLIANT and correct about what majority of what he says. Jim Cornette is wrestling ROYALTY! but this exposes so much of what we’re watching to the point where fans don’t have any imagination left & are starting to view wrestling from such an overly logical point that it’s not entertaining anymore. Granted lazy booking and immature wrestlers are to blame too! But the overly insight on the business takes away from the fun and imagination of wrestling. Very unpopular opinion but just consider it
If you ask the marks, it's the performers they don't like(not "heel heat", actual "they should be fired heat"). Personally, I don't really care...as long as a plausible story can be made out of it.
I would love to see a modern promotion try booking like the example Jim provided. Throw the wrestlers in the deep end with this kind of stuff and see who sinks and swims. The guys that follow along will get over and the stubborn ones that don't, won't. And then logically the guys that got over will get bigger pushes as they become the stars. The guys that insist on going toe-to-toe with lower card guys with a million false finishes will subconsciously look weaker to the audience than the guys that get dominant wins at the expense of a "good match".
You got a thousand USD? You two can book a professional wrestling match. I guarantee there is an independent promoter somewhere not too far from your state, if you're in the states, who will let you book an entire card if you're willing to pay enough. I've done, more than once. Hannibal wasn't just booking matches, but his OWN matches on cards all over the country on the regular. If you have five figures to spend you can run your own promotion outright. If you're any good at it you might get your money back, maybe even make some. If you aren't good enough to make anything, then just run cards for what the locals think is a worthy charity.
The fact that Jim has to even explain this to what is perceived to be "SMART FANS" is all the proof you need to understand how far wrestling, their fans, and their knowledge has fallen. We really will never have wrestling be as good and as big as it was, will we?
A great match is like savage vs steamboat. A poor match is usually a lot of modern matches. I think the issue is, that wrestlers today dont care for the craft than those of old. Owen hart is the best example of a guy who literally put on a great show with anyone and also put on a stinker intentionally just because he was bored.
After listening to corny here. Time to give Hogan some props. Say what you want. But all his matches story wise made sense and always had crowd palm of his hand
I suppose you could say the match was the bookers fault and it doesn't makes sense if they arranged a unrealistic match with a unbelievable finish. For instance they book a match where the tiny inexperienced dude is supposed to beat the crap out of the popular humongous guy and then the big guy puts the little guy over. That match makes no sense at all and it would be the fault of the booker.
I listen to this and I think, this is the standard for the format of what wrestling should be. Then I think, why cant the tradition of wrestling evolve? Then you look at many things in life, they follow a specific formula over the years or centuries but evolve. But when you look at the state of wrestling now, when fans and wrestlers who are marks for themselves shout THIS IS WRESTLING. It may use certain ingredients for what wrestling is but maybe they should call it something else. ATHLETIC COMBATS or something. So then traditional wrestling can prevail and still make sense.
A pet peeve of mine when i watched wrestling regularly was that frequently lower match guys were looking competitive with the higher up guys. I think maybe they should get a few desperation shots in but usually your % or ratio of offense should be lower than other main eventers. When anderson silva fought people that didnt belong in there with him, he didnt get beat up for 2 rounds before making a lucky comeback, there were a few mins of figuring his opponent out then he would make short work of them
it would be both booker and the wrestlers fault for a bad match , but mostly the wrestlers fault, Jim if he wanted to he could be an awesome coach for NXT but i doubt he would put up with the WWE bull crap again, dude would give such master classes in wrestling
I always looked at it as it’s the Booker’s job to get the long term big picture of the story right and set the chapters. It’s the wrestler’s job to right the words of those chapters once they get in the ring. Get either one wrong and the story sucks. And this is why Jim has disdain for the AEW product. You have a booker that doesn’t know how to lay out chapters in a coherent way and wrestlers that write the words in nonsensical prose like children by leaning on high spots and garbage death matches. The result is usually a story that has little logic and comes off as juvenile.
@@danielburger1775 almost every match done by Jey and Jimmy this year Corny pretty much broke down how the heel work based on structure of what is asked
One thing (of many) that I hate about AEW, is that they just dump you into feuds with absolutely no build. Not even video packages If Tony Khan ran the MCU; Tony Stark would’ve fought Thanos in Iron Man 2.
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Tony Khan wrote the first Fantastic Four movie with Silver Surfer and Galactus.
Then don’t watch it?
@crunchberries3587 That’s a brilliant retort. Your parents who live upstairs must be so proud.
Best response I've heard in a long time. Great analogy 😂
This Jim guy sounds like he knows a little bit about pro wrestling. Good stuff.
Jim has been in business for a long time
You new? Jim been a booker, manager, been in the business for 40 yrs
Oh the marks that don't understand sarcasm
Just a little bit 😉
@@mistanderson r/woosh
THIS IS GOLD. Basically Jim giving a masterclass on wrestling. People should listen to this and take notes from this.
He's been giving free wrestling 101 since of the days of soulless sex bot co-host. This is like the 5th time he's gone over this concept.
Its the OLD THOUGH! This aint the old nomore understand that.
@@ASCUMBAGWh0re nothing wrong with the old tho. Jim has some legitimate good points here.
@@CarlGonzalesGuitar exactly, you won't do this word for word, it's the spirit that matters: your matches have to make sense, they have to be consistent with characters, roles and gerarchy.
That's the mistake when they copy UFC: it's fine to take inspiration, but this thing has to LOOK REAL, not BE REAL.
It has its right distance from reality, where illusions live.
If you get too close to reality, it ends up looking fake, dangerous and ineffective: most people don't even get what actually happens in a real boxing or jujitsu match, they think that's fake! That's a dive! That hold wasn't deep! All the time, so it does not matter. Also you can't be the real thing because every closed hold and almost every knockdown must end a match, and that's the end of wrestling.
But you can't even go too far from it, doing gymnastics, if you do again this becomes dangerous, and even more importantly the suspension of disbelief doesn't work.
That's exactly what I was thinking so I did
I feel like Tony Khan hears all of the criticism Corny throws his way but THIS is the stuff he ought to be listening to...
Good Lord do I love hearing this type of content. Every time Jim teaches wrestling in this form of fashion I feel like I am in a college auditorium listening to a master professor
"Slip him over" basically 123 kid vs razor ramon
Jim put a better match together in a couple minutes than any of these companies can do these days
It was so well described that I could see the match in my head, I've seen enough of those teams to know exactly how it would go and how they would be moving
Can we get a Dutch & Corny tag team experience please!!
from my small experience as a local pro wrestler you've never heard of:
My buddy and I were at a small promotion, mainly just getting me some ring experience in front of an actual crowd, so we asked the promoter what he wanted. It basically went like this:
Us: When do you want us out there?
Him: Second match.
Us: How long you need us to go?
Him: (looks down his card) Gimme 10-12 minutes, give or take.
Us: finish?
Him: (He knows I'm green as grass) Do whatever y'all are comfortable doing, I just need the face going over.
That was it.
I’ve always wanted to be a local wrestler. Howd you find out a booker and did you train in wrestling school?
@@redkritter1225 most guys train or get on via buddy system
@@redkritter1225 the indies in my area have paid training usually in tbe promoters pole barn, or a seminar with whoever the past wwe or national guy getting booked on tbe show (I trained with Tim storm and Rene Dupree before local nwa shows years ago)
Well don't leave us hanging.. howd it go?
@@redkritter1225 For me it was mid 2000s before TH-cam I met Indy guys at my job. They broke me in. We then watched tapes at my house.
Between taping WWF, watching Indy tapes, & doing trivia, & training. I got smartened up fast. I was "brought in" because we would do trivia & they said "You know your shiet. You're not a mark." Then they exposed their secrets to me.
This was a damned fine seminar on how wrestling is SUPPOSED to be booked.
The 3 main important things in my opinion are...
Why are they wrestling
Who won
How did they win
I'd also add what do they represent whether it be for the good or the evil & how they go about it, Character & their mindset is key. Otherwise you have Red Robot & Blue Robot punching each other.
I LOVE wrestling psychology. When Jim said “hit ricky with the double suplex earlier so when you try to give it to Robert the fans will know what you’re going for” 🤯 this is great stuff. That never would have occurred to me
Now everyone understands why Jim laughs when Tony’s “Booker of the Year” Observer awards are mentioned.
Those "awards" are given by Dave Meltzer of all people.
This is the stuff Jim needs to be taking about. Mix this with a watch along and the classic stuff I grew up on in the 80s and I wouldn't complain. Forget the modern stuff.
Yeah. He needs to do what others say. This way, he may become someone... someday.
Yes 💯. Stop the aew and WWE reviews...... they're bad...we know.... stop beating the horse, it's already dead.
Tony can learn alot from this 18 minutes.
Which Tony Khan probably won't learn jack $h!t. He thinks he's the second coming of Jerry Jarrett (RIP), but as Jim says TK doesn't know $h!t from apple butter about booking. There's no such thing as booking class, but if there was one, Tony would probably fail the seminar within the first two weeks and say to himself "I know how to book, I don't need this".
@@connor7036 lmao! Fucking ridiculous if I were a talent and was being wooed by aew, I'd not go on a few things but, the fact that they say they don't need advice would be my first reason not to go. It proves they don't want to get bigger as a company! It's likely why Cody split! He's like well this is as big as it gets, I want more.
Why does this not have millions of views? This video should be shared and posted on every wrestling media website/channel/forum etc.. etc.. 🔥🔥👌👌👍👍
Shine, Heat, Comeback, Finish is as basic as it gets and guys never cease to f it up
Or shine, heat, comeback, finish attempt thwarted by cheating manager, heel win finish.
Most modern wrestlers think this is the formula for shining shoes sadly and not an actual match layout.
Nothing like smoking a fatty and listening to Jim drop hilarious knowledge
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Same here, just hit the sativa pen a couple times 👌
The knowledge and experience of Jim Cornette is priceless, and yet, here it is free for all on TH-cam. He could be charging people $50 or more for this, but he's not. He truly wants wrestling to get better. There's no reason why someone in a position of power or influence shouldn't be able to listen and learn from Jim. The more I hear this stuff, and the more I see no one doing it, the more it kinda pisses me off. This generation is full of know it alls, who are so full of themselves, who don't take advice, and it shows via the horrible ratings, and how very little makes any actual sense. We should all take a moment to thank Jim and Brian for the gift of these professional wrestling podcasts. Not only entertaining, they are informative and insightful.
Does he suck at business or something?
Asking because he doesn't have his own promotions anymore.
@@Ticketman99 he's older now, he's in his 60s. He doesn't need a job anymore.
This is one of the reasons why Wrestling went downhill to me. Everyone can take it to everyone, even the champion. I remember seeing Roman Reigns get taken to the limit by Xavier Woods of all people and I was like " Why? Woods not going any higher on the card." Reigns should have beaten Woods in 7 or 8 minutes flat.
5..... 5 minutes flat.
Not even 7 minutes. Reigns should be destroying Woods in 3 minutes
@@J.D.1. Woods was getting the KOTR push at the time. 8 minutes and a little outside fuckery works.
Lol I agree, matches are too competitive.
It’s very rare to see one wrestler dominate these days, but it does still happen rarely
Riho immediately comes to mind as someone who shouldn't be taking it to anyone.
Putting a Face over flat in the middle of the ring..
and then Jericho Puts over Action Andretti last night on Dynamite
it just goes to show how modern wrestling is so different now that the question was even asked in the first place...
It could be either the booker or the wrestlers involved. If Vince Russo is booking a viagra on a pole match, it's a lost cause, no matter what the wrestlers do. Sometimes there are legit botches in matches and those things just happen and sometimes they're because, like in AEW, the wrestlers are trying to be circus freaks, and they end up hurting themselves or the other guy. MJF was right in his big promo - he's a smart, safe worker. He doesn't drop people on their heads. Meanwhile, half the roster in AEW I wouldn't get in the ring with if my life depended on it. They'd send me into a wheelchair - permanently.
Yea, bro. But, bro, the boys need the blue pill, bro. For all them ring rats, bro.
It's why I don't get the hate guys like Randy Orton or The Miz get. They're proper good pro wrestlers. They're safe, know what they're doing in ring, I can't say either have ever had a seriously terrible match. I mean there must be a reason it's always The Miz who's put with celebrity or showcase guys they bring in because they obviously trust him to call a match to not make it look stupid regardless of how green the guy he's in there with.
If I was a booker I'd kill to have guys like MJF and The Miz on my roster. Great promos, safe workers, know how to put on a good match and can generate real heat.
@@apostolostvable Remember Kidman post-match Backstage with all the ladies coming up to him & he was leaving with them?
Booker to Ultimate Warrior: Start the match with a step over toe hold. Warrior: Huh?
(Notices Dutch Mantell)
Me: If ya do what ya always did your gonna get what ya always got
A bad match is always The Young Bucks fault. Always has been, always will be.
I always feel cheated if I don't get an incredible 15 minutes of jim PLUS an ad read.. That's how good a corny ad read is lol
Wrestling’s like porn: it used to have plots broken up with occasional sex scenes, now people just want to go straight to clips of the hardcore action.
I hope Tony Khan listens to this and TAKES NOTE
I doubt it honestly. Even if he did take notes you're going to have the EVPs in his ear to do otherwise because in their minds it's entertaining
The funniest was TNA building matches up to make it seem like the two guys wanted to kill each other.
And then they get in the ring and start doing flips.
It’s amazing that Jim calling a fake match on the fly is more intriguing and entertaining than 90% of modern wrestling
There are multiple factors that go into a match being good or bad. The 2 wrestlers may or may not work well together. The booker could put over the wrong guy or even write a bad finish. A great match could turn bad just from how horrible the ending is. A count out or DQ is often seen as a cop out finish to protect both guys. Even a roll up finish can be seen as cheap because the fans want to see matches end with a big move of some sort.
I mean dq's are only thought of that way now. Back in the late 90's in the WWF almost every single TV main event would end in a DQ or screwy finish. Because it protects all their top talent, keeps the feuds going and keeps people wanting to watch. If you just have a clean finish between two top guys on TV why will anyone care about seeing them so it again? They've already seen who won.
In the Attitude era for a good 2 years every single TV main event would involve some combination of Stone Cold, The Rock, HHH or The Undertaker and none would ever have a clean finish.
I've seen matches where you think on Paper these 2 could work & it turns out "Oil & Water" maybe they get it down pat down the line but other times it just doesn't cut it. Sometimes there's also cases of Sandbagging from one talent
@@NY32986 every Flair Vs Savage match was like this, it never worked and every match I saw them have was the total shits, the Wrestlemainia 8 match was one I was so looking forward too but it was awful, actually worse than Hogan Vs Sid
Sort of like the question for a football play - was it the coordinator for calling a play or the players for either making it happen or not. If the wrestlers believe in the "match plan" they will try and carry it out. As Jim says - part of it is making sense. If you've never used a table but suddenly bring one out, that does not make sense
Get ‘em Jim
13:00 Its changed now. all these guys wanna do is be on TV and hurt themselves. Jerry Jarrett said "they'd pay me to get into the ring". Scott Hall preaches slow down. Put a hold on the jobber to show your dominance. Let the jobber get in some moves but then cut him off quick. 5 minutes is an eternity
The buck stops at the promotor, but if a wrestler goes off the wagon on purpose you can always blame more than one person
My favorite booker was Booker T..
Well shucky ducky quack quack
Would've been funny if he became an actual booker.
@@tylerneckbeard4294 he is a booker. He owns an indie wrestling company and a training center in texas. He trained roxanne oerez of nxt and athena of aew ampng others..he is a booker.
“………… was that the question again?” LOL 😂
Simply the most informative video from Mr.cirnette I have seen.
Well now I want Ben to wrestle Joe
We could have Shelton Benjamin vs Samoa Joe?
Ben Dover versus Joe Mama?
Joseph vs Benavidez?
omg...as soon as he said "Dick vs. Harry" a YT ad popped up for Harry & David lol
Dude, Jim’s knowledge of the business is par to none. I enjoyed the breakdown in this video.
Travis, it looks like pissed off Jim and chuck Norris lol
Wresting is like your typical job. It all starts with whose running the show. It’s nobody gets along the quality of the product goes down
Basically, think of it like improv comedy, as seen on Whose Line is It Anyway? (though Second City is a better venue for it). You give the performer a premise, maybe a line of dialogue to incorporate and then the performer improvises everything you see.. Pro wrestling is, or was, improvisational theater. Now, it has become scripted theater, complete with elaborate choreography, which falls into the same formulaic patterns as a weekly sitcom. Guess which people came out to see, more often than not?
Lance Storm will have you know that pro wrestling is an actual sport. In fact, I've heard he said it was the same as mixed martial arts.
Lol
Don’t “producers” lay out matches these days? How much is actually called in-ring?
Damn. Being Booker is a lot of work. Geez
This was excellent.
I don't get the media scrum thing. It's not like you can talk to wrestler about what he did or came up with to beat his opponent or why he did this or that to get the win. It's not like other sports where a player is like well I read this defense and seen this player covering this or that so I decided to call an audible etc etc. All the can talk about is how they scripted the match out before it happened and what did you think of the booking or writing for the gimmick and feuds.If they did that would be ruining kayfabe. If Tony just wants to sit there and talk about the gate or where the next event is and answer questions about where the companys direction is heading going forward or wrestlers he might wanna sign or re sign and that stuff. Just the idea you're gonna talk to the wrestlers about their win or loss seems so dumb.
Masterclass from a wrestling Maestro.
Booker T's Booker asked for a Bookkeeper to keep Book of Booker T's Bookings, so Booker T's Booker can keep track of Booker T's Bookings, while he Books other superstars. He also likes reading Books.
To add to this, they plan out every step and spot so that it looks extremely rehearsed…which means if something happens that goes a little different than planned, instead of what logically comes next and improvising, they stick to the script even if it no longer makes sense. It’s like if you messed a line up in a play, the next person would reply sticking to script with a line that no longer makes sense. It ruins the immersion.
If I was in charge of Aew I would use Jim Ross for the job he . been in the wrestling for a long time
🤣😂Great artwork 🎨 Travis!🤙
Brilliant👏, promoters I beg you all to take note.
I don't want to be that guy, but this one of the most basic understandings of pro wrestling. I don't know why so many people conflate the booker's role with that of the agent's and the wrestlers.
I still wanna know who killed WCW w/the way Starcade Sting/Hogan was called. My favorite angle/build up ever somehow ended with probably the worst main event ever. (yes I'm still mad about this whenever it crosses my mind) Bischoff has made contradictory statements about his role ("I couldn't let Sting be the face of the company when he showed up for a meeting w/out a tan" vs "I left it up to the talent") and it looked sort of like a typical Hogan match but much worse than normal. And was totally inconsistent w/all the Sting matches leading up to it. How that was messed up so badly in so many ways boggles the mind. I blame everyone.
how can you contact jim ? i 'd have a few wrestling questions i'd like to ask
I think I see it. He assumes that the wrestlers are competent and trained how to just accomplish laying out a match in the ring. Let's be honest... these wrestlers don't get trained to do that. Though that IS a good thing about one of the promotion games that's out there: Adam Ryland's Total Extreme Warfare has a space for all the matches being set up, and let's be honest, it has a basic drop down for intensity, the amount of time, who wins, and how, and is it clean or not. Everything else is based on the 'chemistry' stats that basically said Bryan Danielson and CM Punk could have a good match with anyone, same with Nick Dinsmore in the earliest versions if you can remember, but other people have to have similar knowledges of similar styles, and the styles have to go along with what the general style of the promotion is. Makes sense to me, anyway.
😂 that's how you do it
Damn if only there was some animation with some of the action jim gives 👏👏👏👏
Corny great as always.
I'm thinking that this particular fan doesn't need this explained. They need to just enjoy wrestling for a little while longer before digging in the mechanics.
READ the ENTIRETY of what I’m about to say.. Shows and Topics like these are what’s killing the business, This is in NO WAY saying Jim isn’t BRILLIANT and correct about what majority of what he says. Jim Cornette is wrestling ROYALTY! but this exposes so much of what we’re watching to the point where fans don’t have any imagination left & are starting to view wrestling from such an overly logical point that it’s not entertaining anymore. Granted lazy booking and immature wrestlers are to blame too! But the overly insight on the business takes away from the fun and imagination of wrestling. Very unpopular opinion but just consider it
Every bad match can be blamed on Russo.
If you ask the marks, it's the performers they don't like(not "heel heat", actual "they should be fired heat").
Personally, I don't really care...as long as a plausible story can be made out of it.
I would love to see a modern promotion try booking like the example Jim provided. Throw the wrestlers in the deep end with this kind of stuff and see who sinks and swims. The guys that follow along will get over and the stubborn ones that don't, won't. And then logically the guys that got over will get bigger pushes as they become the stars. The guys that insist on going toe-to-toe with lower card guys with a million false finishes will subconsciously look weaker to the audience than the guys that get dominant wins at the expense of a "good match".
The assistant booker looks like Keanu Reeves
Ads in middle of matches ruin it for me, especially picture in picture
TK is scribbling down notes like crazy!
This was fascinating. Even if it’s common sense Jim explained it so well
You got a thousand USD? You two can book a professional wrestling match. I guarantee there is an independent promoter somewhere not too far from your state, if you're in the states, who will let you book an entire card if you're willing to pay enough. I've done, more than once. Hannibal wasn't just booking matches, but his OWN matches on cards all over the country on the regular. If you have five figures to spend you can run your own promotion outright. If you're any good at it you might get your money back, maybe even make some. If you aren't good enough to make anything, then just run cards for what the locals think is a worthy charity.
The fact that Jim has to even explain this to what is perceived to be "SMART FANS" is all the proof you need to understand how far wrestling, their fans, and their knowledge has fallen.
We really will never have wrestling be as good and as big as it was, will we?
A great match is like savage vs steamboat. A poor match is usually a lot of modern matches.
I think the issue is, that wrestlers today dont care for the craft than those of old.
Owen hart is the best example of a guy who literally put on a great show with anyone and also put on a stinker intentionally just because he was bored.
Just enjoy listening
After listening to corny here.
Time to give Hogan some props.
Say what you want. But all his matches story wise made sense and always had crowd palm of his hand
I suppose you could say the match was the bookers fault and it doesn't makes sense if they arranged a unrealistic match with a unbelievable finish. For instance they book a match where the tiny inexperienced dude is supposed to beat the crap out of the popular humongous guy and then the big guy puts the little guy over. That match makes no sense at all and it would be the fault of the booker.
Love it
I always thought shine him up meant beat him up so he's shined up i.e. bruised up lol. If you get a shiner it's a black eye where I'm from haha.
This was a great clip
How it should be done
Leave poor old Booker T alone.
I listen to this and I think, this is the standard for the format of what wrestling should be.
Then I think, why cant the tradition of wrestling evolve?
Then you look at many things in life, they follow a specific formula over the years or centuries but evolve.
But when you look at the state of wrestling now, when fans and wrestlers who are marks for themselves shout THIS IS WRESTLING.
It may use certain ingredients for what wrestling is but maybe they should call it something else. ATHLETIC COMBATS or something.
So then traditional wrestling can prevail and still make sense.
A pet peeve of mine when i watched wrestling regularly was that frequently lower match guys were looking competitive with the higher up guys. I think maybe they should get a few desperation shots in but usually your % or ratio of offense should be lower than other main eventers. When anderson silva fought people that didnt belong in there with him, he didnt get beat up for 2 rounds before making a lucky comeback, there were a few mins of figuring his opponent out then he would make short work of them
The fight with chael sonnen wouldn't have been so captivating if that was every match he had
This is the shit that I love to hear about
This is way AEW is fk up they need a guy like Jim
Jim despises AEW except for some of the guys (Bryan Danielson and CM Punk and MJF), but all others (Kenny Omega, Young F*cks, etc) he loathes.
Ppl shit on sports entertainment but if DONE RIGHT sports entertainment can be useful in telling the story of a feud.
It can be done will if its pro wrestling with a *few* elements of sports entertainment
I thought that they were supposed to still at least have the match themselves
The Avengers would have formed, had civil war, and than beat Thanos in the same movie actually.
Is the answer Tony?!?
Would you get heels that would enjoy working with baby faces and vice verser?
it would be both booker and the wrestlers fault for a bad match , but mostly the wrestlers fault, Jim if he wanted to he could be an awesome coach for NXT but i doubt he would put up with the WWE bull crap again, dude would give such master classes in wrestling
All I wanna know, Jim, is how many times have you told a grown man to "fuck him!"? (cue The Rock's eyebrow raise)
Corny’s verbal booking of a tag match is more compelling than actually watching most modern, non-FTR/Briscoes tags
I always looked at it as it’s the Booker’s job to get the long term big picture of the story right and set the chapters. It’s the wrestler’s job to right the words of those chapters once they get in the ring. Get either one wrong and the story sucks.
And this is why Jim has disdain for the AEW product. You have a booker that doesn’t know how to lay out chapters in a coherent way and wrestlers that write the words in nonsensical prose like children by leaning on high spots and garbage death matches. The result is usually a story that has little logic and comes off as juvenile.
The USO are doing this in every match now
What?
@@danielburger1775 almost every match done by Jey and Jimmy this year Corny pretty much broke down how the heel work based on structure of what is asked
"Its like every Indie outlaw mudshow match" - Jim Cornette
I don't think Jim ever got this email, and he just wanted to go on an almost 20 minute tirade on booking today lmao
Huh ... Tony is asking serious question ... Maybe he cares about booking of his circus
I feel smarter.
Dick vs harry 🤣🤣🤣 only Jim could make it this funny