Doom II Nightmare! Monster Tier List (ft. Peter)

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  • How threatening is each monster during a Doom II nightmare 100% secrets run? Watch and find out.
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  • @dickkickem329
    @dickkickem329 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5314

    Ultra Violence: Why am I taking damage?
    Nightmare: W-

    • @one4910
      @one4910 4 ปีที่แล้ว +314

      Why am I dying?

    • @dutybound2211
      @dutybound2211 4 ปีที่แล้ว +191

      Wha-

    • @Khirillin
      @Khirillin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +76

      -

    • @arthurmorgan1989
      @arthurmorgan1989 4 ปีที่แล้ว +71

      Perma pain

    • @beriff5398
      @beriff5398 4 ปีที่แล้ว +100

      @@dutybound2211 korega... Requiem... Da

  • @nightcoreguy7266
    @nightcoreguy7266 3 ปีที่แล้ว +551

    Therapist: Cacodemon with chaingun doesn't exist, it can't hurt you
    Cacodemon with chaingun: 12:08

    • @aleksandrk2814
      @aleksandrk2814 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      this is VERY underrated comment!

    • @Mercenary12577
      @Mercenary12577 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      Cacogunner

    • @OblivionWalkerVerified
      @OblivionWalkerVerified ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@aleksandrk2814 a very under rated comment indeed

    • @SkippyZii
      @SkippyZii ปีที่แล้ว +21

      he even got the smug look like he's going "hehe boi"

    • @t-natehundred2438
      @t-natehundred2438 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Truly a demon beyond SS tier

  • @bulldozer6781
    @bulldozer6781 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3088

    "Archviles are kinda rare in doom 2."
    *laughs in plutonia*

  • @sideways198
    @sideways198 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2665

    Leaving a room with demons is like not eating the crust of the pizza

    • @DinnerForkTongue
      @DinnerForkTongue 4 ปีที่แล้ว +92

      Same as finishing a map without 100% kills.

    • @Gatitasecsii
      @Gatitasecsii 4 ปีที่แล้ว +319

      Yeah but on nightmare difficulty the cheesy part of the pizza respawns over and over, you don't wanna get too full, do you?

    • @spartanwar1185
      @spartanwar1185 4 ปีที่แล้ว +65

      Well i mean i'm not a big fan of pizza crust (except when having been microwaved after being refrigerated, oddly specific i know but i enjoy it better that way)
      But i do love leaving a room full of bullets, blood and corpses
      Sadly Nightmare does not allow the corpses part

    • @felynecomrade
      @felynecomrade 4 ปีที่แล้ว +65

      That's another reason why Ultra-Violence is the best difficulty. It's intense and still lets you litter the level with bodies.

    • @reloadpsi
      @reloadpsi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@spartanwar1185 The microwaved crust is actually gorgeous :)

  • @garrettk7166
    @garrettk7166 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3010

    I'm completely unsurprised that chaingunners are SS tier. Most intense hitscanners ever, even on lower difficulties.

    • @DinnerForkTongue
      @DinnerForkTongue 5 ปีที่แล้ว +180

      Blood's Fanatics are worse. So much worse.

    • @DinnerForkTongue
      @DinnerForkTongue 4 ปีที่แล้ว +108

      @@corydawson5980
      Oh god. Cultists of any kind in the water are a migraine waiting to happen.
      Also, fun fact: set a Fanatic, Zealot or Acolyte on fire and lead them to water before they die, and they'll become shotgun Cultists without changing robe colors.

    • @Nemmy72
      @Nemmy72 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      Russian Overkill.
      Still Died to them.

    • @sanctifiedsuccubus2562
      @sanctifiedsuccubus2562 4 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Chaingunners are worse than Arch-Viles. Change my mind.

    • @samragsdale2301
      @samragsdale2301 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      @@DinnerForkTongue I was very tempted to say just this. They have like 0 frame reaction times. They're so fast you generally just have to know where they are and kill them around the corner if you wish to avoid taking some damage. Bastards

  • @linguica
    @linguica 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2243

    FUN FACT: Doom (1993) was possibly the first major game to include multiple internet memes. IDSPISPOPD and Nightmare difficulty were both added as a direct response to comments from internet posters on Doom message boards.

    • @KnjazNazrath
      @KnjazNazrath 4 ปีที่แล้ว +284

      I believe they were called "in-jokes" back then. #realboomerDOOMerhours

    • @spacetrainbaby3737
      @spacetrainbaby3737 4 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      Wait what does IDSPISPOPD mean

    • @SneedFeedAndSeed
      @SneedFeedAndSeed 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      @Mialisus >Insider -jobs-
      based

    • @johnroscoe2406
      @johnroscoe2406 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      @Mastema 2004? No. 1998.

    • @supahcomix
      @supahcomix 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @r33mote 1980s, 2004 had many memes, you were probably just too little or too old at the time

  • @ieatgarbage8771
    @ieatgarbage8771 ปีที่แล้ว +198

    The worst thing about chaingunners is that they have 70 hp, meaning a shotgun blast will *_probably_* kill them

    • @rsj2877
      @rsj2877 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yeah, they might also withstand the hit and lands some extra hits on you.

  • @predatorkingx4039
    @predatorkingx4039 4 ปีที่แล้ว +972

    What Doomguy should’ve said in Doom Eternal:
    *”The chaingunners..they are everywhere..”*

  • @FinnishGuy47
    @FinnishGuy47 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1024

    Now the same with Plutonia
    Tier F: Every other monster.
    Tier SS: Chaingunner.

    • @DinnerForkTongue
      @DinnerForkTongue 4 ปีที่แล้ว +97

      No. Revenants are SS too.

    • @vyor8837
      @vyor8837 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@DinnerForkTongue More like SSSSS tier.

    • @fbiagentmiyakohoshino8223
      @fbiagentmiyakohoshino8223 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      FG47 chaingunner is sssssssssssssss tier

    • @annhentaiuser6658
      @annhentaiuser6658 4 ปีที่แล้ว +65

      Tier F: Rest of monsters
      Tier S: Arch-Viles (The Arch-Vile Maze is proof) and Revenants
      Tier SS: Chaingunners and their impeccable sniping skills.

    • @theslayerishereboi4738
      @theslayerishereboi4738 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No the revenant in doot form is ssssssssssss++++++++++++++++

  • @odstagent1070
    @odstagent1070 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1367

    Demons: we are the strongests on the game, we literally came from hell!
    Former Humans: Hold our beers...

    • @TheGundamDude8045
      @TheGundamDude8045 4 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      basically, the demon doomguy clones en masse.

    • @felynecomrade
      @felynecomrade 4 ปีที่แล้ว +104

      Claws, teeth and fireballs are all well and good- but they can't come close to bullets.

    • @thebagg4553
      @thebagg4553 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Teeth and claws vs lead and more lead

    • @dirkkrohn1907
      @dirkkrohn1907 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Do former humans even drink beer anymore? Who knows what they do between runs

    • @dumb214
      @dumb214 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@dirkkrohn1907 Play doom

  • @truefailure6359
    @truefailure6359 3 ปีที่แล้ว +353

    Me, testing my doom maps on Nightmare: “Have you anything to say to your creator, before you strike him down?”
    The 50 chain gunners in one room: “No.”

    • @mollywantshugs5944
      @mollywantshugs5944 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I see that you are a sadist with your levels

    • @joseignaciogazzi3278
      @joseignaciogazzi3278 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      JAJAJAJAJAJA

    • @Jurgen123445
      @Jurgen123445 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Won't they teamkill each other? Chaingunners are almost as notorious for their friendly fire as for their unfriendly fire.

    • @Moleoflands
      @Moleoflands ปีที่แล้ว +17

      ​@@Jurgen123445 The thing with chaingunners is that even when infighting they fire shots so wildly they still mess you up

    • @Jurgen123445
      @Jurgen123445 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Moleoflands makes sense, imprecision goes both ways

  • @DctrJimbo
    @DctrJimbo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1338

    Me: Boy I do love doom!
    Chaingunners: no

  • @las4gna84
    @las4gna84 3 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    Fun fact: The Chaingunners' official name is Heavy Weapons Dude which, alongside their appearance, inspired Heavy Weapons Guy from TF2

  • @supersmashbro596
    @supersmashbro596 3 ปีที่แล้ว +342

    the spider mastermind is kind of like the king in chess.
    it might be behind everything, it might be the most important piece to capture, but on its own it is absolute shit.

    • @vksasdgaming9472
      @vksasdgaming9472 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      King is never captured and it can capture any other piece but Queen and other King.

    • @XenFPV
      @XenFPV 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@vksasdgaming9472 But it's slow and every other piece except pawn can threaten a king.

    • @vksasdgaming9472
      @vksasdgaming9472 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@XenFPV I was wrong. King can capture Queen IF Queen comes within range and is unsupported. I don't find it very likely scenario. Every piece can threaten King and that includes pawns as well.

    • @justarandomskull
      @justarandomskull ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The queen is the cyberdemon

    • @thesamejackalsniperthatkil117
      @thesamejackalsniperthatkil117 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Queen: Cyberdemon
      King: Mastermind
      Rook: Arch vile, baron of hell, pain elemental.
      Knight: Hell knight, revenant, arachnotron
      Bishop: Cacodemon, pinky, spectre
      Pawn: zombieman, shotgunner, heavy weapon dudes, Imps, lost souls, wolfenstein nazi.

  • @Phobos_Anomaly
    @Phobos_Anomaly 4 ปีที่แล้ว +304

    *Sees scene from "Imp Encounter"*
    Welp, time to go back to the therapist

    • @0neDoomedSpaceMarine
      @0neDoomedSpaceMarine 4 ปีที่แล้ว +65

      Can't spell therapist without 'the rapist'

    • @juana.marquisf.5982
      @juana.marquisf.5982 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@0neDoomedSpaceMarine .Terry?

    • @bulldozer6781
      @bulldozer6781 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      *screams*

    • @yeeoof1995
      @yeeoof1995 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@0neDoomedSpaceMarine Unspoken rule No.1: No hDoom.

    • @doomslayer6724
      @doomslayer6724 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      One Doomed Spacemarine that’s one doomed space marine.

  • @MaxRideWizardLord
    @MaxRideWizardLord 4 ปีที่แล้ว +142

    I was not even slightly surprised about chainguner being on top. Chainguner is literally Satan incarnated, it's like the final boss of original doom but with shrinked hitbox at least 50 times and placed everywhere by 50 pieces per map.

    • @CarbonRollerCaco
      @CarbonRollerCaco 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      MaxRideWizardLord Actual Satan and second-in-command Hell cyborg with infinite ammo chaingun: F tier
      Fat zombified human slob with infinite ammo chaingun: SS tier

    • @TheGundamDude8045
      @TheGundamDude8045 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      basically, take doomguy's chaingun aspect, and multiply times 50 on every map. since the former humans are evil doomguys.

  • @captainjurgh8142
    @captainjurgh8142 4 ปีที่แล้ว +225

    Hitscanners: The Pinnacle of Perforating of your body and brain

    • @dnkakusei
      @dnkakusei 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      At least it's not Capstone

  • @velocilevon
    @velocilevon 5 ปีที่แล้ว +288

    Kinda ironic how the bosses that control the demons and are the big bad dudes with what looks like rather serious weaponry are the least threatening out of all demons.

    • @DinnerForkTongue
      @DinnerForkTongue 5 ปีที่แล้ว +61

      As it's said in Brazil, "he's big but he ain't two".

    • @vaiyt
      @vaiyt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      Nightmare! does change things a lot. Shotgunners and Zombiemen are a lot less threatening when they don't shoot you relentlessly as soon as they can see you, Cacodemon projectiles are a lot slower, Pinkies are hilariously easy to avoid, Lost Souls take their time before charging you, and so on. Plus there's the fact that many of the encounters are easier without respawning because you can take your time sniping monsters from a safer position.

    • @0neDoomedSpaceMarine
      @0neDoomedSpaceMarine 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Shotgun baldies are legit and appropriately nightmarish on Nightmare

    • @GraveUypo
      @GraveUypo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This list encapsulates the threat from the entire species. So it stands to reason that more numerous species will be a larger threat than rarer ones.

    • @SoldierOfFate
      @SoldierOfFate 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      It's the way Nightmare! difficulty is set. Hitscanners aren't as threatening on Ultra-Violence because they (usually) don't start opening fire on you the moment they see your ass.

  • @ordersquamata930
    @ordersquamata930 4 ปีที่แล้ว +410

    Nobody:
    Chain gunners: Y O U R F R E E T R I A L O F E X I S T I N G H A S E N D E D

    • @claytonpactol8851
      @claytonpactol8851 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      T U R B O

    • @ordersquamata930
      @ordersquamata930 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@okie9025 I actually don't get corrected for the use of "your" or "you're" around %90 of the time. I guess this time I was being kinda stupid with my typing. I'll go and change it.

    • @missingno2401
      @missingno2401 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      chain gunners: *you're exist no more*

    • @BruhMoment93_
      @BruhMoment93_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not funny

    • @ordersquamata930
      @ordersquamata930 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oof Yeet *Didn't laugh

  • @MrEvilbyte
    @MrEvilbyte 3 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    I find "Miss Tier F" is basically Tier F in most user maps as well. Many times she simply aggros everyone around her and dies to infighting.

    • @Moleoflands
      @Moleoflands ปีที่แล้ว +6

      You have to design the area around her for sure. You have to design your arena too to also either have BFG o and or prevent the player getting to very close range

    • @williamsmith666
      @williamsmith666 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's one reason why user made maps suck..

    • @1mariomaniac
      @1mariomaniac 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I've never had an issue with the Spider Mastermind, at least on Hurt Me Plenty. They take so long to realize you're there that you can easily just keep some map geometry between them and yourself and peek out to take shots.

  • @fzysknr
    @fzysknr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +370

    Every time decino refers to Cacodemons as "tomatoes", an angel gets their wings. ;)

    • @CarbonRollerCaco
      @CarbonRollerCaco 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Fuzzy Skinner What about calling Pain Elementals “meatballs”?

    • @fzysknr
      @fzysknr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@CarbonRollerCaco :D

    • @samragsdale2301
      @samragsdale2301 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@fzysknr in his recent Eviternity playthrough he gets a Caco squished and calls it tomato sauce. I died

    • @meatballphilosopher5734
      @meatballphilosopher5734 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I call Cacodemons Murderous Meatballs, and Pain Elementals are Hellish Hamburgers.

    • @BlazingShadowSword
      @BlazingShadowSword 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@CarbonRollerCaco That causes a demon to teleport directly in front of doom guy as he pulls the trigger on the super shotgun.

  • @PeterLawrenceYT
    @PeterLawrenceYT 5 ปีที่แล้ว +740

    It was great fun working on this together!
    I challenge anyone watching this video to try and beat MAP22 on Nightmare!, even with saves. Good luck!

    • @Kikiapina
      @Kikiapina 5 ปีที่แล้ว +58

      You and decino are both good fucken doom content creators, keep up the good work bois

    • @Smokecall
      @Smokecall 5 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      About the part that Nightmare being a joke, rumor has it that Romero had it added in when someone letter mailed the Id team that Ultra-Violence was too easy

    • @tbone9474
      @tbone9474 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      I'm happy beating hell revealed on ultra violence, no way I'm beating doom 2 on nightmare

    • @jochen4207
      @jochen4207 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I can barely go through that level on Ultra Violence

    • @user-xq9wm8gj8y
      @user-xq9wm8gj8y 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Pistol start is insane, i'll try that. No saves. I love how there is a difficult task you must solve, since each try is not a lot of time.

  • @missingindy
    @missingindy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +122

    “These demons will make you cosplay like a piece of Swiss cheese.” Is probably the most intense quote from anything related to doom
    Of course it’s underneath “rip and tear until it is done”

  • @patcatzgames9792
    @patcatzgames9792 4 ปีที่แล้ว +164

    Spider Mastermind: worse machine gun enemy in doom
    Chain Gunner: the most dangerous machine gun using enemy in the game
    Holy moly

    • @MrcreeperDXD777
      @MrcreeperDXD777 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      its reversed in the newer games lol

  • @Voice121
    @Voice121 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1230

    Сommander Keen for SSS tier

    • @felipekretschmera.5812
      @felipekretschmera.5812 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Y e s

    • @sometffurry
      @sometffurry 4 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      SSSSS tier doot Revanant

    • @coffee9315
      @coffee9315 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Zero Master is what then?

    • @speedweed683
      @speedweed683 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      You know he is Doom Guy relative

    • @68mudd
      @68mudd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@sometffurry SSSSSSSSSSSSS*

  • @kirillassasin
    @kirillassasin 5 ปีที่แล้ว +149

    Chaingunner: SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND

    • @avalonpage5985
      @avalonpage5985 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      my name is heavy weapons guy

    • @okutem2014
      @okutem2014 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@avalonpage5985 and this is my weapon

    • @swagmaster47625
      @swagmaster47625 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Avalon Page I mean, the chaingunner’s actual name (according to the gallery after Icon of Sin) is named Heavy Weapons Dude

    • @claytonpactol8851
      @claytonpactol8851 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Me, with a BFG9000: nope

    • @1mariomaniac
      @1mariomaniac 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@okutem2014 She weighs 150 kilograms and fires 200 dollar custom-tooled cartridges at 10,000 rounds per _minute._

  • @SirTroglodyte
    @SirTroglodyte 3 ปีที่แล้ว +312

    An excellent structure, a detailed methodology and overall an awesome video! Thank you!
    Could not agree more with the tier list.
    Personally I hate arch-viles the most, but it's only due to Plutonia experiment :)

    • @sekibankiplays3334
      @sekibankiplays3334 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Wait hold up...

    • @joseignaciogazzi3278
      @joseignaciogazzi3278 ปีที่แล้ว

      As im still playing Master Levels...The Plutonia experiment is the next station

    • @dronmusicsound
      @dronmusicsound ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Pluto is very bad. Especially hidden archies with chaingunners x(

  • @ESFAndy011
    @ESFAndy011 4 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    8:18 You. Don't. *EVER* pick up a partial invisibility against a Mancubus. HUGE no-no!

    • @joseph_rolli
      @joseph_rolli 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ESFAndy011 why

    • @ESFAndy011
      @ESFAndy011 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      @@joseph_rolli Because they already have a firing pattern where most of their projectiles are going to go around you when you're fully visible in an attempt to limit your dodging space. If you pick up a PI, they might miss entirely or they might increase projectiles headed straight towards you. In other words, their pattern that's already hard to read becomes even more unpredictable.

    • @smward87
      @smward87 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yup. High level Doom play is all about learning and predicting the pattern/behavior of the enemies. Partial invisibility adds an element of randomness which is the absolute last thing you want.

    • @crystalgoddess4085
      @crystalgoddess4085 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Explains why Dead Simple annoys the hell out of me, I always instinctively pick up the Partial Invisibility, now I know why I tended to catch fireballs with my face so often. I guess I'll save them if absolutely necessary for the Arachnotrons from now on.

    • @stahpman636
      @stahpman636 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      PI good against hitscans,but yeah,not against projectiles

  • @n00f
    @n00f 5 ปีที่แล้ว +345

    Lost Souls would be brutal if they could respawn, they're already so fast.

    • @DinnerForkTongue
      @DinnerForkTongue 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      And now I hear Heretic's gargoyles laughing in the distance.

    • @CRuduxypegg
      @CRuduxypegg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@DinnerForkTongue Luckily heretic gargoyles bug and get stuck in place more often than not on 5th difficulty, and nothing respawns so it isn't really a comparison to doom.

    • @DinnerForkTongue
      @DinnerForkTongue 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CRuduxypegg
      Unless you set the "Monsters respawn" CVAR to 1. Certain ports like ZDoom allow it.

    • @Llortor
      @Llortor 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If only the wall spawner made it into the actual Doom

    • @CRuduxypegg
      @CRuduxypegg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@DinnerForkTongue yes but that's not part of heretic's 5th skill level :P. I don't even want to imagine D'sparils map with respawn on.

  • @JM-zd6ml
    @JM-zd6ml 4 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    That stare on chaingunner's eyes..
    Chaingunners: We're about to ruin this man's entire run.

  • @FenrisulfrSkarr
    @FenrisulfrSkarr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +275

    please turn that chaingunner red eyes thing into a clip for the memes.

    • @union_rt2829
      @union_rt2829 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      When that happened it make me scared

  • @TheRealGears
    @TheRealGears 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I liked the part where the skeleton says *"AAAAAAAAA"* and then the chain Gunner goes *BABABABABABABAABABBABABA*

  • @borismatesin
    @borismatesin 5 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    There can be only one top boi, and of course it's the hitscanning bastard.

    • @pantheman2842
      @pantheman2842 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      But in the bottom? The other hitscanning bastard.

    • @CarbonRollerCaco
      @CarbonRollerCaco 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Παναγιωτης Κούσης Wouldn’t it be “the hitscanning bitch”? SM’s female. zOMG DOOM IZ SEXIZT

  • @ShinoSarna
    @ShinoSarna 5 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    14:30 I laughed when I realized you looped intro to the song to represent the monotony of dying over and over :P

  • @AlphaClip2005
    @AlphaClip2005 4 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    5:11 - I'm not gay, but that Cyberdemon is pretty *THICC*

    • @meriokid6459
      @meriokid6459 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Doomguy is really liking that a$$.

    • @annihilator247x
      @annihilator247x 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Go play HDoom if that's what you think

    • @Revelation_Mary
      @Revelation_Mary 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      true

    • @epicdoomguy1992
      @epicdoomguy1992 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@annihilator247x no

    • @humakhan80
      @humakhan80 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Clap it
      Clap it NOW (//❍/ω/❍//)

  • @edgartheslayer3
    @edgartheslayer3 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    14:01 that close up and sounds made me laugh so hard gj

    • @wolf19109
      @wolf19109 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      POV you see a chaingunner

  • @mastermind4499
    @mastermind4499 5 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    When I saw Pain Elemental in Doom Eternal trailer:
    NOOO GOD PLEASE NO! NO! NO! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
    At least Glory kill is very fitting, just so satisfying

  • @makhauser42
    @makhauser42 5 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Surprised and happy to see Caco that high. And heavy weapon dude laughs in Plutonian, they are a real hell

  • @somacruz8611
    @somacruz8611 4 ปีที่แล้ว +507

    I think we should use chaingunners to raid area 51

    • @darknewbie342
      @darknewbie342 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Then it’ll be Plutonia 2

    • @darrenmcgee6703
      @darrenmcgee6703 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      This maybe late but they'll be on their side so up have to do infighting

    • @2chill2bbored72
      @2chill2bbored72 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Use nightmare difficulty, they respawn

    • @thequoncher9154
      @thequoncher9154 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      *BuT ChAiNgUnNeRs ArEnT ReAl*

    • @sespis2r
      @sespis2r 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      If we could just get a fuckton of archviles and chaingunners we could overthrow the world government

  • @franktidepod8724
    @franktidepod8724 4 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    Doomguy: *exists*
    NM Chaingunner: *_"I diagnose you with dead."_*

  • @Laki99000
    @Laki99000 5 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    Tier SS: [PLUTONIA EXPERIMENT INSTENSIFIES]
    Jokes aside, this was a great analytic video! I don't mind you being gone for a few days just because this video is a heck of a worth it!

    • @PrinceSilvermane
      @PrinceSilvermane 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      You couldn't pay me enough to play TNT or Plutonia on Nightmare.

    • @serraramayfield9230
      @serraramayfield9230 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PrinceSilvermane Aren't those official fan packs?

    • @Kohchu
      @Kohchu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Plutonia Experiment Tier list -
      Rank FU - Chaingunner
      Rank SS - Arch Vile, Revenent
      Rank S - Shotgunner, Mancubus, Cacodemon
      Rank A - Baron of Hell, Hell Knight, Pinkies, Specters
      Rank B - Pain Elemental, Lost Soul
      Rank C - Arachnotron, Cyberdemon
      Rank D - Imp, Gunner
      Rank F - Spider Mastermind, SS, Icon of Sin (Pretty sure the SS doesn't even show up in Plutonia).
      Reasons? Chaingunners are in every map (except Map 11), and are almost always positioned in places to catch the player off guard; they always come in groups and can shred your health away faster then you can blink sometimes. Pretty sure there are more Chaingunners in Plutonia then there are Imps in standard Doom. And due to Plutonia's backtrack like nature; you have to deal with them, CONSTANTLY.
      Arch Viles and Revenents are insanely common; and often appear in large groups in Plutonia; leading to a lot of problems with taking them on directly. Revenent missiles will flood the screen, dealing massive damage; and the Arch Viles will get to work reviving all the monsters you killed; and dish out hefty burst damage that you usually can't avoid (Plutonia likes Arch Vile encounters with no cover).
      Shotgunners are irritatingly placed; often in situations where avoiding them is almost impossible; and taking them out first is usually a non-option; so you have to deal with them. Mancubus and Cacodemons are both tanky, dish out damage; and are almost always placed at chokepoints; where the respawning enemies will constantly make your life a living hell.
      Barons and Hell Knights often appear in large groups in Plutonia, making their encounters much more dangerous then before; usually forcing you to dodge their projectiles like crazy. Pinkies and Specters are both A Rank because they aren't as common in Plutonia; though when they are used; getting past them is very irritating.
      Pain Elementals often come in pairs; and fill the area with Lost Souls really quickly. But once killed they stay dead; so that is at least a bonus. While annoying; they are probably one of the least of your worries in Plutonia.
      Arachnotrons are usually placed in good spots; but their large hitboxs make them easy to deal with (Though they can block you if you're not careful); but they are usually positioned out of your way. While the Cyberdemon is more common then he was in Doom 2; he's still fairly easy to deal with as long as you take note of where he is and how he's positioned in the stages. You don't HAVE to do Cyberden or Go2It so these encounters don't effect him; he also doesn't revive.
      Imps are not commonly found; but are usually just there to be cannon fodder, so their impact isn't as well seen. Gunners are also insanely rare; in fact they basically have been replaced with the Chaingunners entirely.
      The others are Rank F due to the low encounter rate, and ease of handling.

    • @SoldierOfFate
      @SoldierOfFate 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Kohchu "Rank FU"
      Sounds about right because nothing says a big "F*CK YOU" to your run like a wall lowering and then 6 Chaingunners turning you into bloody ribbons within 2 seconds.

  • @ADR69
    @ADR69 5 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    decino and Peter "you technically only need 1% health" Slayer teaming up. what a time to be alive.

  • @hankbackofen8000
    @hankbackofen8000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    4:42 when you killed all of the barons and said I am good
    But you forgot the cyberdemon

  • @oDisasterpieceO874
    @oDisasterpieceO874 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Not gonna lie that "AAAAHHHH" jpg when the revenant was revealed got me pretty good.

  • @johnsimon8457
    @johnsimon8457 4 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    It’d be neat to have an engine mod that shows where everyone died on each map alá Mario Maker

    • @clonefighter1996
      @clonefighter1996 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Also ala Doom 2016, perhaps?

    • @budge3035
      @budge3035 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don’t know if pc has this but on ps4 I can see the bodies from other players

    • @SoldierOfFate
      @SoldierOfFate 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@budge3035 PC does indeed have this feature, but it's exclusive to the Ultra Nightmare difficulty.

    • @Moleoflands
      @Moleoflands 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Just be pile in front of the chaingunners

  • @D41k1r1
    @D41k1r1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    Revenant and chaingunner presentation Made me laugh hard, i'm loving the fact of peter being added to the videos, Nice commenting duo there. Keep it up decino, as always, loving your videos.

    • @xynxyebbln6801
      @xynxyebbln6801 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ретер ргиффин

    • @DinnerForkTongue
      @DinnerForkTongue 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@xynxyebbln6801
      Anuuu cheeki breeki i v damke!

  • @ProtoBlueGaming
    @ProtoBlueGaming 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    *Chaingunner roar*
    *CHAINGUN INTENSIFIES*
    Your absolute worst nightmare.

  • @Mephisto28890
    @Mephisto28890 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    9:42 They made the same shutter in Doom3 - maybe as a reference?
    I was like - hey, stop, you know that thing, just in another game.

  • @I_Punch_Demons
    @I_Punch_Demons 5 ปีที่แล้ว +303

    Ahh yes the real nazi's of the video game world, Chaingunners. Also, the fetish dreams of the Casili brothers.

    • @0neDoomedSpaceMarine
      @0neDoomedSpaceMarine 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      Plutonia was intended to be a real ballbuster by design, so I mean they had to make frivolous use of chaingunners, to the point of hidden archies constantly rezzing them on one or two maps.
      Their approach to difficulty was that they'd revise an encounter or even large parts of a level if they found it wasn't giving them a tough enough time on Ultra-Violence.
      Some of the encounters come off a bit cheap this way, but that was the plan.

    • @lyrimetacurl0
      @lyrimetacurl0 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The invisible drillers in Descent were probably SS tier too.

    • @wisemankugelmemicus1701
      @wisemankugelmemicus1701 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      🙋‍♀️
      What about the actual Doom 2 Nazis? They're basically chaingunner imps.

    • @I_Punch_Demons
      @I_Punch_Demons 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      In all reality, they are reskinned chaingunners.

    • @wisemankugelmemicus1701
      @wisemankugelmemicus1701 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@I_Punch_Demons yes..I said that

  • @aquajet2817
    @aquajet2817 5 ปีที่แล้ว +212

    I'm gonna go ahead right now and say the SS tier belongs to the Wolfenstein Nazi

  • @tokyobassist
    @tokyobassist 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Chaingun dude is the beefiest aimbot ever made. All you can say is "I can't see shit" and something to the effect of "I'm dead".

  • @Itsprincesweets
    @Itsprincesweets 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    5:10 damn the cyberdemon's dummy thicc, i wonder how much he can deadlift

  • @ShinoSarna
    @ShinoSarna 5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    According to Doom Wiki, there are 27(!) Spectres in Map19 - I imagine most of them are in the outskirts area.

    • @RealRushinRussian
      @RealRushinRussian 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Checked in editor, the answer is 25. Jeez.

  • @IgeNial
    @IgeNial 5 ปีที่แล้ว +378

    Can you make a video on what Doom sourceports lack compared to vanilla Doom? And also what are the differences between Doom 1 and Doom 2 engines if there are any?

    • @leegsy
      @leegsy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +70

      There are no differences as it's the same engine. Doom II features maps that are more complex and much larger but that's only because the developers were more familiar with the engine by that point.
      Doom 64 is also based on the same engine. It's pretty much a copy & paste job.

    • @darkowl9
      @darkowl9 5 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @@leegsy I suppose the only thing you could say is that earlier versions of each "vanilla DOS" engine had lower linedef and visplane etc. limits, which were upped in the later releases up to 1.9. I can't remember the exact specifics, but I do remember some more complex PWADs had a minimum DooM version as a result.

    • @decino
      @decino  5 ปีที่แล้ว +67

      Doom 1 (not Ultimate Doom) didn't have keycard-activated switches as far as I know.

    • @darkowl9
      @darkowl9 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@decino Ah yeah, there's some different types of linedefs between DooM 1 & 2, like fast doors. Good point.

    • @semvision
      @semvision 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Vanilla Doom has some exploitable bugs that source ports remove.

  • @thischannelwillcomeback1859
    @thischannelwillcomeback1859 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    he forgot commander keen, we need to know how strong he is

  • @vjm3
    @vjm3 4 ปีที่แล้ว +107

    You made a minor mistake in the video. You ranked Lost Souls as S tier, but labeled them as A tier as you showcase them.
    12:49

  • @mjc0961
    @mjc0961 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    6:21 - *BARNEY, NOOOOO!* 🤣
    I love that this made it into the video.

  • @spaceresident331
    @spaceresident331 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    ...You could activate that crusher on m6 before killing the spider mastermind?
    Oh my god I feel so stupid now.

  • @the1stwing
    @the1stwing 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    An explanation I pulled from Game FAQs to help answer the question of Cyberdemon vs Spider Mastermind:
    Main factors are range, height differences, and any possible cover.
    Secondary factors are down to how frequently either enemy enters its pain states and/or even bothers to attack.
    A feature which automatically gives the Spider Mastermind something of an advantage is the fact that it is resistant to rockets; it will only take impact damage from a direct hit, and is unaffected by any explosions; even the 'splash damage' from a direct hit has no effect.
    Assuming the terrain is perfectly flat with no cover, at a fixed range:
    At longer ranges, Cyberdemons will always win; a Spider Mastermind just locks on and fires like there's no tomorrow, in spite of being too far away to be effective. It leaves itself open to just take a string of rockets while missing with most (if not all) of its own shots.
    Medium range is a toss-up; Spider Masterminds once again just sit still and blaze away, but the closer proximity guarantees a higher successful hit ratio. In turn this causes a Cyberdemon to be interrupted via pain states, something which works against it.
    Short range is, more often than not, a pushover for the Spider Mastermind. Most hitscans will connect, leaving the Cyberdemon with little to no chance of retaliating successfully.

  • @pcksp4135
    @pcksp4135 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    9:36
    Peter narrates a documentary.

  • @ziomccall4085
    @ziomccall4085 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    13:59 pure evil in few seconds.

  • @nibblrrr7124
    @nibblrrr7124 5 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    The reveals feel very Pokédex-y. Love it! :3
    1:26 7:43

  • @Shenorai
    @Shenorai 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    One of my fonder memories of Doom II is watching my Dad play the Playstation version.
    Granted, he was disappointed in how they didn't have as many secrets as other versions, but he still thoroughly enjoyed kicking ass.
    He had a few nicknames for the demons, too. Imps were "crinkle-crinks" due to the noise they made. Pinkies were "bulls". Specters were "invisi-bulls" because Dad jokes. I think the Barons and Cyberdemons were just "minotaurs" and "cooler minotaurs", but it's been awhile XD

  • @dawnh
    @dawnh 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    10:36 Doomguy: *dies*
    Revenant: yes, it is i, the mighty dooter who has defeated the doomguy

    • @brandyncouch3226
      @brandyncouch3226 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The ego you gave it made me think of Papyrus from Undertale.

  • @jsd1982
    @jsd1982 5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Yes! I was getting nervous not seeing decino in my subs list for 2 whole days.

  • @majamystic256
    @majamystic256 5 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    for me Chaingunners, Shotgun guys, Former Humans, Pain elementals, and Lost souls are generally the most annoying enemies to deal with on nightmare.
    especially the hitscanner zombie type enemies... they are the reason I can't beat nightmare mode saveless.
    They all respawn too fast, and drain my health more than any other demon combined on nightmare.

  • @ceskaapokalypsa.cz.
    @ceskaapokalypsa.cz. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    11:44 Pain elemental shooting to the wall.

  • @buna-gf8ku
    @buna-gf8ku 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    10:11 didn't see that one coming

  • @Sizifus
    @Sizifus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Who would win:
    One massive cyber thick boy?
    Or
    Many Lost boyz?

    • @davideogamer7910
      @davideogamer7910 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      nah only one lost boi (the glitch in his fight)

    • @kaledmarrero1011
      @kaledmarrero1011 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lost souls. Cuz Civvie 11 hates them.

  • @lizichell2
    @lizichell2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Why am I not surprised that hit scanners are high tier enemies

  • @skylo706
    @skylo706 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I once played a troll mod that changed stuff in the original levels. The cyberdemon was replaced with a chaingunner with equal health as the cyberdemon... Yikes!

  • @carmenjuarez1034
    @carmenjuarez1034 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Decino:There actually aren't that many hell knight encounters in doom 2 that are considered dangerous
    Doom 2 no rest for the living:well yes but actually no

  • @leemil2002
    @leemil2002 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you for retroactively adding in the chapters to videos.

  • @stagefatality
    @stagefatality 5 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    Heh...Imp Encounter.
    How long has it been since that spawned on the net?

    • @Llortor
      @Llortor 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Better question is how long has it been since it stopped grossing us out lol

    • @SoldierOfFate
      @SoldierOfFate 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Llortor Far too long. Mainly because we've all been desensitized by far more nasty crap drifting around on the web.

  • @loganandrews3121
    @loganandrews3121 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Everyone: *Legit talking about the demons and strats/nightmare memes*
    Me: 11:14 *DEEP INHALE.... SLAPS A TABLE!* FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE SAID CACODEMONS ARE CUTE!!!!

    • @frozenhawk150
      @frozenhawk150 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      A.

    • @LisaTigressHardy
      @LisaTigressHardy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cacodemons are my favorite demons in DOOM. If there was DOOM merch, I think Cacodemons would make the best most comfy pillows ever, espeically giant ones! And if they made the eye on them glow like when they spit their firealls would be so awesome too!

    • @itsumbree2
      @itsumbree2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LisaTigressHardy I'd play millions for a Cacodemon plushie.

  • @paolonicolacerea
    @paolonicolacerea 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Intro - 00:00
    Tier F - 01:06
    Tier D - 02:59
    Tier C - 03:40
    Tier B - 06:57
    Tier A - 09:17
    Tier S - 12:22
    Tier SS - 13:26
    Conclusion - 14:52

  • @Linksmasher
    @Linksmasher 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love that edit on 10:10, is pure gold.
    Also, I love your content because I love Classic Doom and of course, every Doom game so far.

  • @JakZie
    @JakZie 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    To not just repeat my endless praise for those videos, I really appreciate time and effort put into montage, clear presentation, clear sound of your voice(s) and last but not least, the well-made subtitles.

  • @connorgolsong290
    @connorgolsong290 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The joke about the SS officers was absolutely hilarious. Bravo, Decino.

  • @456antoabc
    @456antoabc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Do Plutonia next ! This list is awesome. I struggle with chain gunners the most in doom II when they ambush me, it's usually a losing DPS battle

  • @turrican3839
    @turrican3839 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Pain Elementals in Doom 64 are significantly worse, because they have 2 mouths this time which can spawn 2 lost souls and the lost souls in Doom 64 are much faster and deal more damage.

  • @fmsyntheses
    @fmsyntheses 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You forgot to rank John Romero's head

  • @serbianslav5494
    @serbianslav5494 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The sound that Revenant makes when he spots you is to me like the sound of birds singing.

  • @Tyrian3k
    @Tyrian3k ปีที่แล้ว +3

    14:41: 178% health and 89% armor.
    3 seconds later: Dead.

  • @AnnieC.1993
    @AnnieC.1993 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    And things like this are why I stick to "Hurt me plenty."
    Edit: Ok I've actually completed ultra violence at this point on episodes 1-3 but still screw nightmare
    Edit 2: I've almost completed doom 2 on ultra-violence. : )
    Edit 3: Either I am still pathetic or the execution of the Icon of wall is just bad, but I completed doom 2 on ultra-violence with the exception of map 32 and map 30.

    • @GraveUypo
      @GraveUypo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      ultra violence + fast monster for me. i can't deal with not being able to kill everything in a level. completely ignore that nightmare even exists.

    • @doomslayer6724
      @doomslayer6724 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I play ultra violence with no speedy sonic demons,
      to hard doomguy says.

  • @nowaywithyoueveragai
    @nowaywithyoueveragai 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Where is the hanging commander keen????
    P.s: anyone stating that chaingunner isn't the most deadly foe in nightmare mode will reveal he hasn't played vanilla DooM.

  • @miguelzavaleta1911
    @miguelzavaleta1911 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing content, Decino. I really love these analysis videos.

  • @darkravenbest8970
    @darkravenbest8970 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    12:23 Them Bones? Good choice for describing the most hateful beings.

  • @combolynch9524
    @combolynch9524 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    See you in Final Doom tier list. :DDD

  • @Olek54321
    @Olek54321 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I think in Plutonia Revenant would be on Pain Elemental place and Arch-Ville would be more higher :D

  • @SaltyFarzi
    @SaltyFarzi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good work guys, even though I don't do speed runs, I think it's interesting to watch and know where monsters stand for the brave fools who choose to do these runs.

  • @HudsonAO8TQ1
    @HudsonAO8TQ1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! Agree with the list, very well thought out.
    Hilarious commentary especially about the cruising shotgun guys and the chaingun gangbang with revenants shooting at your head.

  • @BladeTrain3r
    @BladeTrain3r 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Yea I'd agree on chaingunners as SS even on non-nightmare... they're the most intimidating thing in Gantlet and never forget the death room on map09... sure arch-viles are irritating and make you duck behind walls, and Cyberdemons are nasty as hell when you actually fight them, but Chaingunners are normally the ones killing you even when you're prepared just because there are too many hitscan bullets to avoid.

  • @JJ-zs4cw
    @JJ-zs4cw 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    10:11 when you don't have a such voice but you step on a Lego

  • @LumbridgeTeleport
    @LumbridgeTeleport 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very well presented and laid out. Enjoyable video thank you

  • @Stingrays110
    @Stingrays110 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing! Love these kinds of videos from you!

  • @flaerds8234
    @flaerds8234 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    "These Chainginners want nothing more than to make you cosplay as a piece of Swiss cheese" holy F another nice video this channel is amazing

  • @CZPC
    @CZPC 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    13:59
    dear god

  • @D00000T
    @D00000T 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    in doom, the bigger you are, the less threatening you are to doomguy and especially so if you don’t have hitscan on your side

  • @thearch-vile8232
    @thearch-vile8232 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Me:another decino video
    **1 second later**
    decino: *DOOM 2 ON NIGHTMARE DIFFICULTY IS NO JOKE*