Plot twist: The revenant and the doomslayer were involved for a long time and then broke up. The doomslayer is like this because he's heartbroken, and the revenant is screaming about alimony.
Well, it's one giant, relatively slow moving target with attacks which you can learn to evade with a bit of time vs monkey demons that can attack you from the other side of the map, sometimes with sniper precision, for "small" but, depending on the quantity, quick amount of damage.
Since their damage is ampd up in UN mode, are fast and can overwhelm you in swarms, Tier S. They only are less threatening when you can cover more ground.
Hes not at all joking if you havent tried UN. Personally I think the early game Imps are harder than all the other bosses and enemies, its just not nearly as punishing to die to them when they are still dangerous (lvl 5/6 and under)
@@dominantwolf4593 I'm a pretty casual player, but I always found Barons really easy. I haven't played Ultra Nightmare because I enjoy my sanity, but they never felt dangerous to me on Ultra Violence, which is my go-to difficulty.
Nah fam, me on ULTRA-FRUGGING-VIOLENCE. Which is weird because I've beaten pretty much every DooM game I have on Ultra Violence no problem. Not this game tho for some reason.
Throughout THE ENTIRE GAME, the Imps are the biggest liability! Because they throw fireballs from across the room like a pro NBA player, but the worst part about them is that they keep moving around just like you, like some enemies are too big not to notice, others need to get close to even remotely do any damage, but not the Imps, and they come in large numbers. While you're dealing with one, another is certainly charging a fireball at you.
Should have included 'world' as a monster. Amount of times I've fallen to my death.. ugh! Glad to see the imp up high - causes more deaths than any other!
That actually makes sense, they are "volunteers" UAC soldiers who were so horribly mutated by the UAC, that even even they got hit by the Hell's energy wave, the pain of their mutations is so intense that it breaks through (I think that their description also says something like this)
Spider mastermind Doom 1: Complete joke Spider mastermind Doom 2: utter failure Spider mastermind Doom 2016: I am become death destroyer of Ultra nightmare runs
It doesn't help that her attacks are FAR more damaging than the classic variant's. Not to mention if you don't get off the ground when she electrifies the arena, your ass is toast in literally 2 seconds.
@@Giant_SewerRat the codex says that the aracnotrons from eternal are made from the remains of the spider mastermind, so tecnically every aracnotron is just an alive chunk of her corpse, which means the spider mastermind IS in eternal, just that its divided into aracnotrons and dead... Back to Tier F
@@iamafuckingfailure I hope Eternal gets an update where you can fight Spider Masterminds, like the classic Doom games where there were more than 1 Masterminds.
I don't really agree with this theory that "Samuel Hayden" is supposed to be initialized to "S. Hayden" and sound like Satan. Its far simpler etymology is, it's a variant spelling of an Old English/Middle German name "Haydn"/"Heiden", meaning "heathen". Bonus fact: it was previously used in the Doom 3 novels, for a character simply named "General Hayden".
The most telling is that Hayden was originally gonna be the surname of your villainous CO in the old DOOM 4. (EDIT: My bad, General Hayden is from the DOOM 3 novels. Still interesting they went with that though...)
@Rishi Rajan He's not Satan. He's just got a name that's an on-the-nose way of saying "I might be a bad guy." Doctor Betruger never committed tax fraud either, but he did do far worse things and his name just happened to mean "fraudster" in German; fictional characters are just usually given names for their meaning.
Man, I rank pinkies much higher on my personal list -- those goddamn things always seem to get me with their outrageous, seemingly-impossible damage radius. I swear I'm like way, way clear of their entire body half the time and STILL take damage. But I hardly ever use the stun bomb! Perhaps that's my problem. I'd also put the Cyber Mancubus higher solely because it has a real skill for catching me off-guard at super long range in the later maps. I tend to rely (probably too much) on Rich Get Richer, so this often totally throws me off when my armor suddenly gets deleted and I don't even know where the fucker is yet. Dirty bastards. I have yet to complete Ultra-Nightmare. Farthest I ever got was the destroyed Argent Facility -- got one-shotted by a Cacodemon in the first real fight and was super pissed. I'd also put Cacos higher on my list because of their uncanny ability to one-shot me even from a good distance if I don't have full health and some armor. Most of my late-game experience comes from regular Nightmare practice runs where nerves aren't as much of a factor. That said, the Siphon grenade + EP2 *is* totally hilariously broken most of the time and makes you basically unstoppable if you are careful, so I think once I can reach Titan's Realm I'll be set. Hell Guards are absolute bastards, though, but less so if you switch from Gauss to Plasma once two of them show up. Managed to beat them without dying for the first time the other day when I did that! Gauss is really good for quickly evading the melee attacks when facing the first one, but you need the higher rate of fire to detonate those charge-up yellow orb things once two of them are going after you, especially since one always seems to be spinning around shitting fire everywhere. When it comes to SS-tier, I'd rank the very first fight of the game without hesitation. Hands down the hardest part by far for me, mainly because the unupgraded shotgun is so unbelievably bad and there's no good place to set up a defensive position. You just have to keep moving and hope you don't back into a charged-up plasma ball or a sneaky imp. Probably like 90% of my deaths have been right in that godforsaken arena. Thankfully it's the very first one!
You know what bothers me about pinkies the most? You can't consistently double jump over them. It would be cool and spectacular combat maneuver, stun+double barrel is so boring in comparison.
Shooting their backs makes it so so much easier, the problem is I have to Matador them into the wall, which requires me to stand still for a few seconds, which is something I absolutely cannot do on nightmare.
Additional note: I once managed to get outside the Cyber Demon's wall that he puts up when he corners you so he can throw lines of fire at you (the texture for the rocks is FLAT when viewed from the sides, meaning he's just throwing up some wallpaper with rock textures on them). He can still throw fire at you when you are on the outside of his little cone, but you WILL have more room to dodge.
This. I tried switching to centered view models and found that I started taking damage because the thing takes up too much of my forward view. Eternal looks like it reduces the Centerview size.
But then you have something like the Original, a rocket launcher in TF2 that's got a large centered viewmodel. Never had any problems with it, but with DOOM's, I do.
I'm digging this longer, more detailed per-level overview. Makes a bit more sense than previous summarised tier lists. I find 2016's enemy design to be just beautiful. While a few enemies become worhtless and pathetic, the fights felt so well structured that the cannon fodder presense was still valued. Also I mistakenly never bothered with rune challenges after a couple of first ones, and mistakenly again thought I won't use the gauss gun ("a sniping weapon? In DOOM? why would I") and never discovered that siege mode... yes, for real. That being said... no shoutout for UnnamedAI? The killer of the most?!
@@Annokh Some monsters, for some reason, are not named on player tombstones. From the top of my head: Summoners, Pinkies, Spectres and (Cyber) Mancubi. They appear as "UnnamedAI".
@@Snypor I don't really agree seeing how it's a made-up word, but I totally accept others using "mancubi". And I see where the analogy is coming from, but it's not always right either (like some people use "octopi" when it's Greek). ... unless it's also "mancubi" in some expanded universe lore? Please say if so.
Imps went from pixelated, mobile turrets, to agile and punishing nightmares. Edit: And then Cacodemons evolved from red floating cute balls to horrifying flying monstrosities that can freaking annihilate you with just one bite
Revenants alone weren't much of a threat in the classic games if you had something more than a pistol. The problem is that they ALMOST ALWAYS came in large angry swarms.
Even if we not taking it to consideration the boss fights, we got another problem at hand, the first arena, you cannot progress unless you kill every single imp. this is only for the lower difficulties we're not taking super nightmare into consideration.
My prediction for Doom eternal tier list lol: Imps: C tier - they used to be tough but now, they are easy fodder for the chainsaw and can be easily dispatched with new numbers of ways like the blood punch and ice grenades Zombieman blaster: D tier - they are as unthreatening as before Shield soldier: F+ tier. Now they are basically walking barrel bombs Revenant: F tier - they do even less in eternal lol. But battlemode in the other hand... Gargoyle: B tier - they like imps, but more annoying, mobile and damaging Hell knight/death knight: B tier - pretty much the same, other than a few projectile attacks Baron: B tier - also much the same Mancubus/cyber mancubus: S tier - now they appear everywhere and worse, they can corner you into small areas. The worst parts are in the nekrovol argent tower where two cybers gang up on you in a small arena and it gets much worse in the icon of sin fight Pinky: Upgraded to B tier - it's harder to deal with them now there is no stun grenade and you have to rely on the long cooldowns of ice grenades. Caco and pain elemental: D tier - ballista bait Arachnotron: B tier - they are annoying to deal with, running away and weaving your attacks. Good thing is that they lack close range offenses and you can dispatch them as they get close Prowler: A tier - the living manifestation of 'owae wa mou, shindeiru' Whiplash: C tier - might be hard and fast at first but are quickly downed with meathook and ssg Makyr drone: F tier - basically free ammo Marauder: SS tier - motherfucker forces you into a parry riposte game and if you fuck up, you die. You run out of ammo? Good luck finding a zombie to saw before the guy shoots you with 10000 lasers. And OH GOD THAT FUCKING DOG Gladiator: B tier - his attacks are very telegraphed but your nerves are elevated and can mess up your reading. Khan makyr: A tier - quite easy to mess up, when shit is flying left and right but once you get the mood of firing her up with micro rockets, popping a drone for ammo and repeating, its doable. Icon of sin: S tier - you can't just bullet sponge him and you have to run around his minions and attacks like an idiot to reach his hittable weakspots. And it's freaking mancubus country up in here.. Gun zombie: A tier - these guys can spawn behind you and clip you very badly Possessed: don't even bother Doom hunter: B tier - really nothing much to be worried about, other than the weird minigame you have to dance around for. The only thing to worry is other demons forcing you off and letting him recharge Delete with crucible tier: cyberdemon and archvile
@@Dr.AutismGod yep, by no means Cacodemon and Pain Elemental can be put at the same rank, Cacodemons are maybe easier than in Doom 2016, their bite still hurts tho, Pain Elementals are much more tanky and smart and deal more damage, luckly Lost Soul is broken, but once it is fixed they will be even harder
I like how you've analyzed combat situations and placed them according to those. I've noticed that more than individual enemy types, enemy combinations and the environment plays a much bigger role in determining how hard a fight will be.
The hardest monster is the shield-zombie when you haven't played 2016 in a while, then mix up your the hotkeys for Plasma Gun -> Stun Bomb and Rocket Launcher -> shoot shield while standing directly in front of it. And almost as difficult as platforming are glory kills. Too many times I've had a glory kill end up glitching me out of bounds, where I fall to my death.
DemoGorgonZola why do you think I bring coal to all the bad kids? It’s so they’ll _burn_ better! _HA ha HA ha!_ (ahem) ... sorry... I meant _HO HO ho!_
@@TheRealNormanBates Ho, ho, ho... and lol, have a song mush-up. :) 🎶 I am the god of hell fire and I bring you: coal! The night Santa went crazy... picked up a flamethrower and barbecued Blitzen. 🎶
My experience with Ultra Nightmare is basically trying it like 4 times, getting a few hours in and then dying in the most stupid way possible... I then curl into a ball and cry for a while.
Finished it from second playthrough. Level 03: Foundry kicks ass. But if you utilize all the secrets and go for broken rune combos, the rest of the game is easy. I finished it with just w+m1 mt minigun rgr+eu runes and leech grenade.
@@Муня-ж7з thing is, I keep choking at one point or another. One too many missed shots, or a missed jump or just something dumb happens and I'm dead. I haven't fully given up yet though. One day I'll beat it.
Eh, I dont think someone or something surviving from having its brains blown to pieces by a point blabk bfg blast. As far I know, the ressurected Icon of Sin is pretty much the final baddie
Damn, I'm less than 8 minutes in and my jaw is already dropped by the amount of detail and thought put into this list. Well done guys, can't wait for your DOOM Eternal content.
This video is a comprehensive masterpiece, hats off to you guys. I agree with everything except the bosses, but this is obviously for run-threatening potential and I've done UN and pistol only nightmare runs recently so have had plenty of time to practice/analyse fights. All in all about 90% of my deaths were from imps. Sometimes their predictive fireballs are just too galaxy brain and straight up end the run, or they become mini wall turrets and spam fireballs pretty fast [more of a pain to deal with on pistol only as you want to be able to glory kill them, or need to fully charge a headshot to get them off the wall]. Quick note about the Kadingir Sanctum fight at 11:50, you can trigger the first Summoner to spawn by going towards the bridge where it spawns but then stay in the area with the Possessed once it starts to spawn. Less demons will spawn in, and you'll only have to kill a Summoner, Hecc Knight and a few lower level demons that way [again not the biggest lifesaver, but it's a pretty narrow arena]. Nerves aside you [should] rarely take damage from the Cyberdemon, unless you didn't practice it I guess. The charging beam is dangerous enough that anyone should at least get the dodge timing for it down before doing UN, and learning how to deal with the pressure of the rocket barrage + triple slash on the second phase completely trivialises the fight. Only thing saving the poor guy is not being evaporated by the BFG. Just wanted to add some of my thoughts and experiences while watching, can't wait for all the juicy Eternal content!
@@PeterLawrenceYT fellow elvanse boy, how long you been taking it? I had mad jitters the first month or so but it subsided. Mid morning exercise goes a long way to diffuse some of the initial onset if u take it in the morning
While I thoroughly enjoyed my time with it and am currently replaying it reading all the codex entries and trying to absorb as much of the story bits as I can so I can get my bearings for Eternal, I will concede the game has balance issues and verges on being too easy, repetitive and shallow most of the time, especially during the third leg of the run. Eternal outclasses it in that respect and makes it a challenging experience from the start and only keeps escalating further. Still better than 3 for me.
Just before watching it: Imps > Everything else EDIT: Neat that you took in account how they're placed. Lost souls can only take you offguard like once in the whole game.
I might be 3 years late to this comment, but its NEVER too late to learn that the Stun mod on the plasma rifle is your best friend. Master it and it spreads the stun effect to all nearby demons when you kill the one you stunned. Very strong tool to pair with a hard hitting weapon to swap to after stunning a target.
It is suprising that the true final boss of Doom 2 (said to have higher rank than Cyberdemon, but stuck on tier F), suddenly become tier SS. Meanwhile, ever since his climactic defeat on Doom 3, the Super Cyberdemon (who's been told that only the cube thing can harm him), suddenly become an icing in the hell and goes to tier A, even lower than that newcomer Hell Guard boss. Yes though, earlier Doom games, they LOVE to spam use of Cyberdemons, but here only once (not to mention the plethora of way to cheese him in this game, ie with Siege Mode), so yeah reasonable that why the king of hell degrade 2 ranks from SS to A.
@@decino I would say the same with lost souls. They're only potentially dangerous in a couple spots in the game, and even then only if you completely forget about them, yet you ranked them two tiers higher.
I'm actually surprised that the Spider Mastermind actually redeemed herself! In the past, she was trapped in the shadowy realm of Tier F. But today she actually manages to demolish quite a lot of runs of Ultra Nightmare.
The hell guard duo can be easier than the single one. The staff wielding one has a big ball that can be used to stun the mace wielder. Save a bfg for when those two first spawn to stun them, then immediately lock on to the mace wielder and turn him into a meat shield. Once he’s down the staff wielder will usually just action movie slowmo backflip in vain before you mercilessly rip out its host.
Total agree with placing Imps as highest threat on early levels. I have done my fair share of UN playing - and I have encountered many helmets written "Killed by: Imp" on every level, even the latest ones. I also contributed to several ones.
I have nothing but the utmost respect for people who can pull off Ultra Nightmare. I love Doom, I've loved it since the first game game out in 1993 (I was four years old and watched my brother play it), but I've never really been any good. I usually play on the lowest difficulty setting possible, with the one exception of Doom Eternal on Hurt Me Plenty for one run through the base campaign.
I don't know why people had so much trouble with the platforming. Never died to platforming once in that game. Only time I died from falling was one time the enemies kinda pushed me off a cliff
Even as a casual player, I would recommend this tier list for newcomers. It sure has helped me, and the first watch through gave me a general idea as to what the game will be like.
Wait, can't possesed be insta killed with glory kills on higher difficulties? I never used any ammo on them - only deleted them with glory kills to get Health. Tier F from the start.
ILuv Cram Because the tier placements are based on the enemy threat across all levels, and Possessed are dangerous for awhile at the start, but by time Unwilling show up they’re totally a non-threat
Ah, the one Doom game that made me feel worthless. Had to lower my difficulty setting midway and never survived the Spiderdemon. Since release, I realise that I spent way too little time messing around with runes and upgrading stuff (i.e. playing it like Doom/Doom2), lesson learned until next time I guess. It would be interesting to see how a less-n00b-than-myself would manage the game without runes/weapon-upgrades. That could perhaps make the game more challenging...or at least make me feel less crappy about my gaming abilities... ;)
@@T-West Link for ZM's no upgrades run: th-cam.com/video/RR1G05e0bjs/w-d-xo.html ByteMe also had one more recently(a skip was found for the first argent cell, so it's fully 0%): th-cam.com/video/0VFNhMPVJEM/w-d-xo.html
Solid tier list. Your knowledge and aptitude show in your work man keep it up. Can't wait to see how Eternal's line-up ranks. Midnight tonight baby already pre-loaded! DOOOOOM!
Hell guard tip: When one of them does the glowing ball attack, immediately empty some mobile turret bullets into the ball, then just hold down m1 until the Hell Guard dies. Phases 1 and 2 aren't that tricky once you learn how to cancel the glowing orb attack. Charged Burst+double SSG or chaingun turret melts through their health once you cancel the ball attack. Phase 2 is also fairly simple. Just use the chaingun on the flame hell guard when it does the glowing orb attack to instacancel it, then BFG spam or any type of heavy combo. After that, the electric hell guard is a walk in rhe park
10:30 BFG Division is playing... Did someone say "Doom Slayer" again? My greatest mistake in my first runthrough (on Ultra-Violence) was underestimating how amazing the Stun Bomb upgrade was for the plasma rifle. After seeing it in action... man that would've made everything so much easier.
23:35 - I actually find the phase 1 to be harder than phase 2. Sticking to the ranged guy and spamming double SS>rail gun shot>repeat easily lowers their HP.
I really think the tier list will be different for everyone because of their playstyle. I know I used Rich Get Richer rune mostly and I like to do less weapon switching. After I finished Ultra-Nightmare twice I would say the most dangerous demons are the Imp, Hell Knight, Cyber Mancubus and Pinkys. The Imps are dangerous the whole way through because a few hits and the armor for RGR rune is out. Hell Knights can be very random in certain fights and the Cyber Mancubus is a deadly sniper. Pinkys are very weird to dodge and some times when you do dodge one, it can turn around and bite you. Also, never glory kill an engineere, I found that out the hard way. XD
Imps tier SSS+ they can pre shoot you around a corner you're going to turn around 3 seconds from last sighting of you and there are sooooooooooooooooo many of them
My only gripe with the Imp's rating is that judging from the Snap Map's sandbox, you've got a variety of Imps. Not sure if in the campaign, they use only 1 iteration or all of them, but suffice to say if I had to rank them individually it would be like this: Standard Imp: S Tier. It's degree of annoyance will persist through the entire campaign. They will both blast and slap you hard. Agressive Imp: B Tier. Surely they shall keep you busy as they only care about rushing like some fiends straight out of Quake 1, but their lack of projectiles pretty much make them appear like Hell Knights if they were extremely fragile. Sentinel Imp: B Tier. They won't bother charging at you, but they will invest all their time to elaborately ignite you with balls. Individually they are pretty retarded but when paired with Hell Knights and any other other demons, you would probably want to spend some ammunition in the unwashed masses of Sentinel Imps.
I really liked this method of doing the tier list - level-by-level and dynamic. If you eventually intend to do one for Doom Eternal too (once you've had plenty of time to play the heck out of it of course) then I'd love to see this format used again for that, :D (Also I'm not gonna' lie - I was starting to think you'd forgotten about this. So glad to see it show up finally,
I think I would highly advise against ppicking up lockon burst over remote det on the rocket launcher. Remote det is far stronger early and post-mastery, doesn't leave you any vunlerable downtime (by having to charge it) and you can start mastering it quicker if you pick it up first since its mastery requirement is quite a pain. The DPS you get on bosses and large mobs from rotating remote det direct hit -> shotgun grenade -> instant siege shot (or regular gauss shot if you're against exploits) from medium distances or further will carry you throughout most of the game. Infact, I've never seen the twin guardian bosses nor the cyberdemon as a threat (and have never actually felt their attack sequences before) because you can kill them so quickly with 1 BFG stun + Direct hit RemoteDet->Double barrel->gauss switch rotations. I also think the justification for monsters like xyz mob is easy because of the stun bomb is not so good, because that same argument can be applied to every mob. The stun bomb is essentially a cheat code in this game and gets you out of pretty much every situation barring bosses. In saying that you should definitely prioritise getting the stun bomb upgrade in map02. On the topic of pinkies though using remote det by shooting a rocket beside them and exploding on their tails will kill them very quickly as well if you're short on plasma ammo or have a brain freeze and forgetting you have a stun bomb cheat code. Also I think using the chaingun in general is pretty bad. It's a very immobile weapon (mobile turret), the ammo depletes quickly and Remote Det+Cluster strike/Double barrel switching will clear every regular mob in the game faster. Then you'll only need Tactical scope AR for really long range engagements. Obviously I know alot in hind sight because I follow the 100% speedrun category of this game religiously, but even playing casually in UN I found that I never died past Argent Tower because you're basically unstoppable once you get the gauss and remote det masteries.
I hated the idea of remote det when I first saw it and figured that I'd never get any use of it without tunnel visioning and dying, then I finally started picking up the upgrades for it when I'd run out of other things to upgrade and realised how tremendously powerful it is against bigger enemies. I'm always surprised that I don't see anyone else recommend it.
@@DjTake1One it's also just tremendously powerful in general with its high utility. Admittedly in my very first playthrough I also opted for the lock-on burst, but it was surprisingly underwhelming damage wise. (Mind you I was also stupid enough to get Heat blast over Stun bomb on the plasma gun, and my first run I played on Nightmare LOL) You can snipe imps mid-jump, you can blow up shielded zombiemen from the sides without expending a stun bomb, you can hit pinkie tails from detonating it from the sides (I already mentioned this), you can detonate it early if its firing off track, and it sames ammo over the lockon burst. Then once u master it you don't need to remote det at all since it does its damage boost on regular impact so its a free win on biggies and bosses haha
I've always found imps really difficult mostly because they're like a small, fast, weaker version of Doomguy. They constantly take my attention from the larger demons and a few managed to get rid of my shields. Glad to see that imps are pretty high on the list most of the time.
I'm so excited for Doom Eternal, I started my day off with watching a glitchless speedrun of Doom 2016, then this video. And for most of my day I plan on playing Doom 2016
Man they really gave the revenent some love in Eternal, I just (finally) started my first playthrough of Eternal, and in my hubris, I thought I could start on nightmare since I had been playing 2016 on nightmare anyway. The revenents are BRUTAL. If you ignore them and don't take out their turrets their rockets will just beam you, and are really tough to dodge. And even when you take out the turret there is still a good chance that they can sneak up on you and claw you for half your health, and you can hardly escape their melee range without dashing. Crazy how much if an upgrade they are from 2016
00:57 Level 01: The UAC
02:45 Level 02: Resource Operations
05:03 Level 03: Foundry
07:48 Level 04: Argent Facility
09:27 Level 05: Argent Tower
11:32 Level 06: Kadingir Sanctum
14:35 Level 07: Argent Facility (Destroyed)
16:38 Level 08: Advanced Research Complex
19:23 Level 09: Lazarus Labs
22:02 Level 10: Titan's Realm
23:11 Level 11: The Necropolis
25:02 Level 12: VEGA Central Processing
25:21 Level 13: Argent D'Nur
26:12 Summary
Wow, new world record! Byte's gonna eat his heart out...
you’re a good man, thank you
Nice to see you, antares. Also super-thanks for bookmarking the video!
So beyond a tier list, this is also a fast resumed tactical/analysis run for those who want to try that difficulty?
Ive only gotten to argent facility on ultra nightmare before i died to platforming
Revenants usually scream at the Doomslayer, insulting him, hurting him in ways no other demon could.
SS-tier for sure
Plot twist:
The revenant and the doomslayer were involved for a long time and then broke up. The doomslayer is like this because he's heartbroken, and the revenant is screaming about alimony.
Oof
@@booradley6832 They're still fighting over custody of Daisy's head...
@@booradley6832 +[
Doomslayer is a retatded story. Its doomguy. Hes a nirmal marine bethdoom sucks
Later half of this video:
"Imps are a nusiance and not dangerous"
"Tier S"
"Hell Razers still cannot aim."
"Tier C."
"They are alone and easily killed."
"Tier C."
“Imps hit me once during this level”
“Tier S”
"Lost Souls don't even appear"
"Tier B"
How the fuck are they tier S
Cyberdemon: *exist*
Decino: A bit challenging, but not too bad.
Imp: *exist*
Decino: Now this is an Avengers-level threat.
Well, it's one giant, relatively slow moving target with attacks which you can learn to evade with a bit of time vs monkey demons that can attack you from the other side of the map, sometimes with sniper precision, for "small" but, depending on the quantity, quick amount of damage.
Since their damage is ampd up in UN mode, are fast and can overwhelm you in swarms, Tier S. They only are less threatening when you can cover more ground.
Hes not at all joking if you havent tried UN. Personally I think the early game Imps are harder than all the other bosses and enemies, its just not nearly as punishing to die to them when they are still dangerous (lvl 5/6 and under)
@purplefloyd1513 I never found them difficult to dodge their attacks.
Don't forget the zombies that can somehow kill you in two hits.
The spiderdemon took offense to being called an F tier enemy, so she pumped iron like heck and became an ABSOLUTE UNIT for her 2016 debut.
Became a real final boss
From F to FU.
Blanc!!!!
It’s a she?
@@joshn2002 It's Dr. Olivia Pierce turned into a demon, so... Yes?
"Barons killed me a lot even on a regular difficulty, I guess they are like ss tier on the highest one"
"C-tier"
"Oh"
We are mere casual players to these crazy masochists 😜
You Mean B?
Honestly in Nightmare I’ve been killed by a lot of demons, never a Barron though. They are tanky but I’ve always been ready for them.
also, imps are so high, when any enemy except the imp can stunned and killed with ease.
@@dominantwolf4593 I'm a pretty casual player, but I always found Barons really easy. I haven't played Ultra Nightmare because I enjoy my sanity, but they never felt dangerous to me on Ultra Violence, which is my go-to difficulty.
Also F Tier: Me playing Doom on Ultra-Nightmare
You are not a demon
@@irrelevant_channel Anyone who has an anime avatar is a demon to me.
@@Maggerama make a little sense to me it depends on the anime
Nah fam, me on ULTRA-FRUGGING-VIOLENCE. Which is weird because I've beaten pretty much every DooM game I have on Ultra Violence no problem. Not this game tho for some reason.
@@irrelevant_channel so tier Z
Throughout THE ENTIRE GAME, the Imps are the biggest liability! Because they throw fireballs from across the room like a pro NBA player, but the worst part about them is that they keep moving around just like you, like some enemies are too big not to notice, others need to get close to even remotely do any damage, but not the Imps, and they come in large numbers. While you're dealing with one, another is certainly charging a fireball at you.
You put Unwilling in Z Tier, but had them T-posing. That should put them in top tier instantly.
When you kill them soo quickly and easily that they start T-posing.
Technically it's an A-pose 😉
unwilling not in Z-, 0/10
@@PeterLawrenceYT Then I'll just rip off their head and a leg.
BigHailFan
Still an T-pose my dude, except manlet size
Decino: This level is a joke
Also Decino: (Dies on said level)
He's so good at it he died
13:20
"They can be a bit scary, but you're scarier"
Isn't that...... the whole concept of DOOM 2016?
Thats the whole concept of DOOM period.
@@DemonDiscoJockey except Doom 3, but I think they wanted to experiment making Doom horror for that game as an experiment
@@cillianwatters5619 very smart of you heavy, where do you want me to place the dispenser?
Doom is a horror game were you aare the monster
yes and i think thats beautiful
Should have included 'world' as a monster. Amount of times I've fallen to my death.. ugh! Glad to see the imp up high - causes more deaths than any other!
ikr, imagine fall damage in doom
He did early on. Platforming is SS-tier.
@Manek Iridius hurr durr elitist bs
@Manek Iridius I wanted to give like cause first sentence. And then I saw the rest of the comment.
Barrels and my grenades + rockets killed me more then anything else.
Samuel Hayden got no junk in the trunk
Sad!
GIVE ME BACK MY SWORD YOU ASSHOLE ROBOT
Hello Peter! Nice to see you around :D
I need dem glutes!!!
And look at that thigh gap
Spider Mastermind in the thumbnail: SILENCE DOOMER
foomer
Boomer
*sloomer*
*c o o m e r*
The revanents are so weak in this game that it hurts. From my experience they spend most of their time just screaming at you then actually attacking.
That's why they're my favourite demons x)
Revrsal reminds me of anti sjws as well.....
Revrsal sjws and anti sjws are annoying in my opinion.
Ahhh those SUCKERS
That actually makes sense, they are "volunteers" UAC soldiers who were so horribly mutated by the UAC, that even even they got hit by the Hell's energy wave, the pain of their mutations is so intense that it breaks through (I think that their description also says something like this)
Spider mastermind Doom 1: Complete joke
Spider mastermind Doom 2: utter failure
Spider mastermind Doom 2016: I am become death destroyer of Ultra nightmare runs
Mike Rueffer the amount of time I’ve played that boss fight for funsies on nightmare I think if I get there I’ll be fine
It doesn't help that her attacks are FAR more damaging than the classic variant's. Not to mention if you don't get off the ground when she electrifies the arena, your ass is toast in literally 2 seconds.
Spider mastermind Doom Eternal: *_*doesn't exist*_*
@@Giant_SewerRat the codex says that the aracnotrons from eternal are made from the remains of the spider mastermind, so tecnically every aracnotron is just an alive chunk of her corpse, which means the spider mastermind IS in eternal, just that its divided into aracnotrons and dead...
Back to Tier F
@@iamafuckingfailure I hope Eternal gets an update where you can fight Spider Masterminds, like the classic Doom games where there were more than 1 Masterminds.
I don't really agree with this theory that "Samuel Hayden" is supposed to be initialized to "S. Hayden" and sound like Satan. Its far simpler etymology is, it's a variant spelling of an Old English/Middle German name "Haydn"/"Heiden", meaning "heathen".
Bonus fact: it was previously used in the Doom 3 novels, for a character simply named "General Hayden".
The most telling is that Hayden was originally gonna be the surname of your villainous CO in the old DOOM 4. (EDIT: My bad, General Hayden is from the DOOM 3 novels. Still interesting they went with that though...)
That does however sound quite close to Satan in Arabic: Shayṭān
There was a character named Hayden in Doom 3's alpha but they both have no connections
@Rishi Rajan He's not Satan. He's just got a name that's an on-the-nose way of saying "I might be a bad guy." Doctor Betruger never committed tax fraud either, but he did do far worse things and his name just happened to mean "fraudster" in German; fictional characters are just usually given names for their meaning.
Samuel Hayden is obviously a reference to Sam Hyde.
Man, I rank pinkies much higher on my personal list -- those goddamn things always seem to get me with their outrageous, seemingly-impossible damage radius. I swear I'm like way, way clear of their entire body half the time and STILL take damage. But I hardly ever use the stun bomb! Perhaps that's my problem.
I'd also put the Cyber Mancubus higher solely because it has a real skill for catching me off-guard at super long range in the later maps. I tend to rely (probably too much) on Rich Get Richer, so this often totally throws me off when my armor suddenly gets deleted and I don't even know where the fucker is yet. Dirty bastards.
I have yet to complete Ultra-Nightmare. Farthest I ever got was the destroyed Argent Facility -- got one-shotted by a Cacodemon in the first real fight and was super pissed. I'd also put Cacos higher on my list because of their uncanny ability to one-shot me even from a good distance if I don't have full health and some armor. Most of my late-game experience comes from regular Nightmare practice runs where nerves aren't as much of a factor. That said, the Siphon grenade + EP2 *is* totally hilariously broken most of the time and makes you basically unstoppable if you are careful, so I think once I can reach Titan's Realm I'll be set.
Hell Guards are absolute bastards, though, but less so if you switch from Gauss to Plasma once two of them show up. Managed to beat them without dying for the first time the other day when I did that! Gauss is really good for quickly evading the melee attacks when facing the first one, but you need the higher rate of fire to detonate those charge-up yellow orb things once two of them are going after you, especially since one always seems to be spinning around shitting fire everywhere.
When it comes to SS-tier, I'd rank the very first fight of the game without hesitation. Hands down the hardest part by far for me, mainly because the unupgraded shotgun is so unbelievably bad and there's no good place to set up a defensive position. You just have to keep moving and hope you don't back into a charged-up plasma ball or a sneaky imp. Probably like 90% of my deaths have been right in that godforsaken arena. Thankfully it's the very first one!
You know what bothers me about pinkies the most? You can't consistently double jump over them. It would be cool and spectacular combat maneuver, stun+double barrel is so boring in comparison.
Shooting their backs makes it so so much easier, the problem is I have to Matador them into the wall, which requires me to stand still for a few seconds, which is something I absolutely cannot do on nightmare.
@@U99DrunkDinosaur I wanna see imps riding them into battle.
В тачанке is ur name Tachanka from R6S
I'm so proud of Spider Mastermind! She finally did it!
What a comeback
Additional note: I once managed to get outside the Cyber Demon's wall that he puts up when he corners you so he can throw lines of fire at you (the texture for the rocks is FLAT when viewed from the sides, meaning he's just throwing up some wallpaper with rock textures on them). He can still throw fire at you when you are on the outside of his little cone, but you WILL have more room to dodge.
If the Tyrant in Doom Eternal doesn't have juicy buns, the game will be F Tier!
Dont Worry, He Has 4K Juicy Cheeks.
Random Person B U T M Y C H E E K S A R E C L A P P I N G
Can confirm that he still has ass cheeks.
Pretty sure they are even juicier than in 90s Doom
Pssh. Imagine, trying to check out the ass of a demon. Heathens. *sideways glance at female Diablo from D3*
I always found that the viewmodels look weird when centered. They're not as minimal as those in the original Doom or Quake
This. I tried switching to centered view models and found that I started taking damage because the thing takes up too much of my forward view. Eternal looks like it reduces the Centerview size.
Now there should be an option to unlock classic weapon SPRITES
@@USSMariner i think it has something to do with the original HUD. I cant play 2016 or Eternal with center view. But rock og just fine.
But then you have something like the Original, a rocket launcher in TF2 that's got a large centered viewmodel. Never had any problems with it, but with DOOM's, I do.
I increased the FOV to 120 and the issue went away.
I love it how you take enemy postitioning throughout them levels into account. Great job, as always.
The Unwilling might be tier Z, but that A-pose the one in the icon is doing is too powerful to be contained.
That's why they were moved to F tier in the end.
The longer unwilling is on t pose the stronger it Will become
"Imps are not dangerous anymore, you're getting tanky."
"Tier S."
I still remember people being shocked about revenant having jetpack and everyone panicking that he gonna be op.
Ironically, I actually find them less-threatening now. Them being able to go up for a few seconds has nothing on relentless homing 'sploder balls.
I'm digging this longer, more detailed per-level overview. Makes a bit more sense than previous summarised tier lists.
I find 2016's enemy design to be just beautiful. While a few enemies become worhtless and pathetic, the fights felt so well structured that the cannon fodder presense was still valued.
Also I mistakenly never bothered with rune challenges after a couple of first ones, and mistakenly again thought I won't use the gauss gun ("a sniping weapon? In DOOM? why would I") and never discovered that siege mode... yes, for real.
That being said... no shoutout for UnnamedAI? The killer of the most?!
UnnamedAI is dreadful, but the "World" monster is the worst.
What is UnnamedAI? My memory of this game is very blurry...
@@Annokh Some monsters, for some reason, are not named on player tombstones. From the top of my head: Summoners, Pinkies, Spectres and (Cyber) Mancubi. They appear as "UnnamedAI".
No one:
Peter: mancubee
Me, an intellectual: man-cube
Mancu🅱️
**bzzzzzzzzzhzzzhhzzzzzzz** **shoots honey that slows doomguy**
More than one Mancubus = "Mancubi" plural.
Yes, I ruined the joke to explain something, but the "Nobody: " meme is so stale.
@@Snypor I don't really agree seeing how it's a made-up word, but I totally accept others using "mancubi". And I see where the analogy is coming from, but it's not always right either (like some people use "octopi" when it's Greek).
... unless it's also "mancubi" in some expanded universe lore? Please say if so.
Imps went from pixelated, mobile turrets, to agile and punishing nightmares.
Edit: And then Cacodemons evolved from red floating cute balls to horrifying flying monstrosities that can freaking annihilate you with just one bite
Doom Eternal: *I sleep*
Video 4 years after Doom 2016 was released: *Real shit*
Remember when revenants posed a threat lmao
Guess have Plutonia they got cocky
It certainly shows it is their homing missiles that were the main threat and not really the revenants themselves
after*
God dammit why do i realise that when i wake up
Those things are a joke to me, I see them and just think of “Doot”
Revenants alone weren't much of a threat in the classic games if you had something more than a pistol. The problem is that they ALMOST ALWAYS came in large angry swarms.
Next Video: Is it Possible to beat Doom 2016 Without harming any demons?
Even if we not taking it to consideration the boss fights, we got another problem at hand, the first arena, you cannot progress unless you kill every single imp. this is only for the lower difficulties we're not taking super nightmare into consideration.
Stuck with an early morning anxiety attack, but now there's new Decino. So things are a bit better
I feel ya, I really do. I hope you get better soon!
@@PeterLawrenceYT Thanks man, appreciate it
Feel better man. Haven’t had one in years but Anxiety Attacks are awful. 🙏🏽
Switch on Doom and pretend your worries are the demons. I’ve found it to be a good way to cool off, especially when you glory kill them
choopy bohn suck it up snowflake!
My prediction for Doom eternal tier list lol:
Imps: C tier - they used to be tough but now, they are easy fodder for the chainsaw and can be easily dispatched with new numbers of ways like the blood punch and ice grenades
Zombieman blaster: D tier - they are as unthreatening as before
Shield soldier: F+ tier. Now they are basically walking barrel bombs
Revenant: F tier - they do even less in eternal lol. But battlemode in the other hand...
Gargoyle: B tier - they like imps, but more annoying, mobile and damaging
Hell knight/death knight: B tier - pretty much the same, other than a few projectile attacks
Baron: B tier - also much the same
Mancubus/cyber mancubus: S tier - now they appear everywhere and worse, they can corner you into small areas. The worst parts are in the nekrovol argent tower where two cybers gang up on you in a small arena and it gets much worse in the icon of sin fight
Pinky: Upgraded to B tier - it's harder to deal with them now there is no stun grenade and you have to rely on the long cooldowns of ice grenades.
Caco and pain elemental: D tier - ballista bait
Arachnotron: B tier - they are annoying to deal with, running away and weaving your attacks. Good thing is that they lack close range offenses and you can dispatch them as they get close
Prowler: A tier - the living manifestation of 'owae wa mou, shindeiru'
Whiplash: C tier - might be hard and fast at first but are quickly downed with meathook and ssg
Makyr drone: F tier - basically free ammo
Marauder: SS tier - motherfucker forces you into a parry riposte game and if you fuck up, you die. You run out of ammo? Good luck finding a zombie to saw before the guy shoots you with 10000 lasers. And OH GOD THAT FUCKING DOG
Gladiator: B tier - his attacks are very telegraphed but your nerves are elevated and can mess up your reading.
Khan makyr: A tier - quite easy to mess up, when shit is flying left and right but once you get the mood of firing her up with micro rockets, popping a drone for ammo and repeating, its doable.
Icon of sin: S tier - you can't just bullet sponge him and you have to run around his minions and attacks like an idiot to reach his hittable weakspots. And it's freaking mancubus country up in here..
Gun zombie: A tier - these guys can spawn behind you and clip you very badly
Possessed: don't even bother
Doom hunter: B tier - really nothing much to be worried about, other than the weird minigame you have to dance around for. The only thing to worry is other demons forcing you off and letting him recharge
Delete with crucible tier: cyberdemon and archvile
Pain Elemental was challenging for me
@@Dr.AutismGod yep, by no means Cacodemon and Pain Elemental can be put at the same rank, Cacodemons are maybe easier than in Doom 2016, their bite still hurts tho, Pain Elementals are much more tanky and smart and deal more damage, luckly Lost Soul is broken, but once it is fixed they will be even harder
@@FelipePetersBerchielli Cacodemon's bite is way worse than their blast lol.
Irrelevant to the discussion but:
*Omae wa mou shindeiru
Bruh you can kill a pinkie in eternal with a single blood punch
I like how you've analyzed combat situations and placed them according to those. I've noticed that more than individual enemy types, enemy combinations and the environment plays a much bigger role in determining how hard a fight will be.
The hardest monster is the shield-zombie when you haven't played 2016 in a while, then mix up your the hotkeys for Plasma Gun -> Stun Bomb and Rocket Launcher -> shoot shield while standing directly in front of it. And almost as difficult as platforming are glory kills. Too many times I've had a glory kill end up glitching me out of bounds, where I fall to my death.
Huh? Never had a glory kill glitch me out of existence.
@@5udimax The Foundry has those thin platforms with stairs, you can glitch through one of these and fall into a lava pit.
@Mr. TAD Same, but it happened nonetheless.
F for glory kill clipping deaths. A glory kill on Foundry tossed me in the lava on UNM. I will never forgive.
It's a great speedrun technique
17:03 “Samuel Hayden.... S. Hayden... Satan”
You can _also_ get Sam Hayn or Samhain.
Or Sam Hyde, the famous mass shooter that is definitely not just an Internet comedian.
Or Santa... [uncomfortably looking at Monroville avatar]
DemoGorgonZola why do you think I bring coal to all the bad kids?
It’s so they’ll _burn_ better! _HA ha HA ha!_ (ahem) ... sorry... I meant _HO HO ho!_
@@TheRealNormanBates Ho, ho, ho... and lol, have a song mush-up. :)
🎶 I am the god of hell fire and I bring you: coal! The night Santa went crazy... picked up a flamethrower and barbecued Blitzen. 🎶
DemoGorgonZola (starts head banging)
(Hat falls off)
(Puts hat back on)
(Continues banging)
My experience with Ultra Nightmare is basically trying it like 4 times, getting a few hours in and then dying in the most stupid way possible... I then curl into a ball and cry for a while.
I do that last part without trying ultra nightmare, but ultra nightmare is a pain because im bad
Finished it from second playthrough.
Level 03: Foundry
kicks ass. But if you utilize all the secrets and go for broken rune combos, the rest of the game is easy. I finished it with just w+m1 mt minigun rgr+eu runes and leech grenade.
@@Муня-ж7з thing is, I keep choking at one point or another. One too many missed shots, or a missed jump or just something dumb happens and I'm dead. I haven't fully given up yet though. One day I'll beat it.
@@Focusbreak-Habeeb did you still beat it after 7 months
“The revenents are just sad doots”
Imps aren’t dangerous anymore, you’re getting tanky... Tier S XD
Nice to see the OG Doom final boss become threatening at last. Hopefully she'll appear in Eternal. ^_^
Eh, I dont think someone or something surviving from having its brains blown to pieces by a point blabk bfg blast. As far I know, the ressurected Icon of Sin is pretty much the final baddie
@@patcatzgames9792 There can be other spider masterminds, and they don't have to be the final boss.
@@LanceOmikron the arachnotrons take her place as uncommon enemies.
N o
Amazing video as always!
Can't wait to see you play Doom Eternal.
Damn, I'm less than 8 minutes in and my jaw is already dropped by the amount of detail and thought put into this list. Well done guys, can't wait for your DOOM Eternal content.
This video is a comprehensive masterpiece, hats off to you guys. I agree with everything except the bosses, but this is obviously for run-threatening potential and I've done UN and pistol only nightmare runs recently so have had plenty of time to practice/analyse fights.
All in all about 90% of my deaths were from imps. Sometimes their predictive fireballs are just too galaxy brain and straight up end the run, or they become mini wall turrets and spam fireballs pretty fast [more of a pain to deal with on pistol only as you want to be able to glory kill them, or need to fully charge a headshot to get them off the wall].
Quick note about the Kadingir Sanctum fight at 11:50, you can trigger the first Summoner to spawn by going towards the bridge where it spawns but then stay in the area with the Possessed once it starts to spawn. Less demons will spawn in, and you'll only have to kill a Summoner, Hecc Knight and a few lower level demons that way [again not the biggest lifesaver, but it's a pretty narrow arena].
Nerves aside you [should] rarely take damage from the Cyberdemon, unless you didn't practice it I guess. The charging beam is dangerous enough that anyone should at least get the dodge timing for it down before doing UN, and learning how to deal with the pressure of the rocket barrage + triple slash on the second phase completely trivialises the fight. Only thing saving the poor guy is not being evaporated by the BFG.
Just wanted to add some of my thoughts and experiences while watching, can't wait for all the juicy Eternal content!
Peter sounds like he's been hitting the anti-anxiety medication hard.
Oh I wish. I'm on Elvanse and the side effect IS anxiety.
@@PeterLawrenceYT fellow elvanse boy, how long you been taking it? I had mad jitters the first month or so but it subsided. Mid morning exercise goes a long way to diffuse some of the initial onset if u take it in the morning
I'm guessing Doom 2016 is a worthy successor considering Decino likes it.
It's pretty epic.
decino notice me elder doom god senpai
While I thoroughly enjoyed my time with it and am currently replaying it reading all the codex entries and trying to absorb as much of the story bits as I can so I can get my bearings for Eternal, I will concede the game has balance issues and verges on being too easy, repetitive and shallow most of the time, especially during the third leg of the run. Eternal outclasses it in that respect and makes it a challenging experience from the start and only keeps escalating further.
Still better than 3 for me.
"Doom: Eternal around the corner" Tell that to all the playthroughs of it on youtube holding what I desire most right there where I cant have it
Just before watching it:
Imps > Everything else
EDIT: Neat that you took in account how they're placed. Lost souls can only take you offguard like once in the whole game.
Please please please do this for Doom Eternal as well! This was so exciting to watch!
Someday.
Doesn’t that one part in level 11, look like “Dead Simple?”
Das rite. It even features Mancubi on platforms.
Yeah, too bad they never put Arachnatrons in the game
They could make doom 2 maps in eternal and have dead simple
Oh, now that’s gonna be badass :D
Idk im just saying thats something they could do since doom eternal has more doom 2 monsters
the most threatening monster is definitely the ledges and railings
especially if your game is running at 200 fps
there's nothing more epic than getting yeeted off the map because you hit a ledge with your pinky toe.
Spider mastermind redeemed herself
Spider mastermind: *happiness noise*
#1 thing I learned from this video; I should be using the stun-shot on the plasma rifle.
I might be 3 years late to this comment, but its NEVER too late to learn that the Stun mod on the plasma rifle is your best friend. Master it and it spreads the stun effect to all nearby demons when you kill the one you stunned. Very strong tool to pair with a hard hitting weapon to swap to after stunning a target.
"Cacodemons go to tier C"
Everyone disliked that
C for Cacodemon, just like lvl 2 where the imp was in tier A for AIDS.
Hey if u don’t mind me asking but: when is the doom 3 nightmare tier list or whatever the nightmare difficulty is called in that game?
I think no one (exept you) cares about Doom 3 right now^^
What about Doom 64?
@@kroktal8896
Yaaaaas
Never ever.
Isn't nightmare mode in that one bullshit because you get no healing outside of the soulcube?
It is suprising that the true final boss of Doom 2 (said to have higher rank than Cyberdemon, but stuck on tier F), suddenly become tier SS. Meanwhile, ever since his climactic defeat on Doom 3, the Super Cyberdemon (who's been told that only the cube thing can harm him), suddenly become an icing in the hell and goes to tier A, even lower than that newcomer Hell Guard boss. Yes though, earlier Doom games, they LOVE to spam use of Cyberdemons, but here only once (not to mention the plethora of way to cheese him in this game, ie with Siege Mode), so yeah reasonable that why the king of hell degrade 2 ranks from SS to A.
Really? Shielded soldiers E tier? When I was first playing the game on the Ultra-Violence it was one of the few actually challenging monsters to me.
Once you know where they appear they're ez pz.
They're the hardest regular enemies in the game to me.
They wrecked me a lot too, I guess I didn't use stun bomb enough. After getting the rocket launcher that's what I usually used on them.
@@decino I would say the same with lost souls. They're only potentially dangerous in a couple spots in the game, and even then only if you completely forget about them, yet you ranked them two tiers higher.
"These summoners spawn in Hell Knights"
They what now?
I'm actually surprised that the Spider Mastermind actually redeemed herself! In the past, she was trapped in the shadowy realm of Tier F. But today she actually manages to demolish quite a lot of runs of Ultra Nightmare.
The hell guard duo can be easier than the single one. The staff wielding one has a big ball that can be used to stun the mace wielder. Save a bfg for when those two first spawn to stun them, then immediately lock on to the mace wielder and turn him into a meat shield. Once he’s down the staff wielder will usually just action movie slowmo backflip in vain before you mercilessly rip out its host.
Fully upgraded remote rockets can stun one if timed right works well on the first one too
I'd love it if he did a monster tier list for Doom 64.
Lost Souls and Pain Elementals: Tier SSS
Everything else: F
I hope Hugo and the boys see this, I reckon they'd love it.
A wonderful piece of work; well done to the both of you. Long may your fury / memes grace us!
For the past week or so, ill watch this video before bed and it litterally helps me sleep so much better for some reason.
Total agree with placing Imps as highest threat on early levels. I have done my fair share of UN playing - and I have encountered many helmets written "Killed by: Imp" on every level, even the latest ones. I also contributed to several ones.
My tier list:
Ss tier: every single damn thing that moves.
Your profile pic though
hindu_frappe even unwilling and possessed?
JAYMUN _13 it’s coach buzzcut from beavis and butthead but I warped it.
Isn't the entire point of doom to shoot anything and everything that moves?
3:26 Say "hello" to the infamous *Gore Nest of Truth*
I dont play doom at all but the way he explains it i still find it interesting and watch it till the end. Good job!
I have nothing but the utmost respect for people who can pull off Ultra Nightmare. I love Doom, I've loved it since the first game game out in 1993 (I was four years old and watched my brother play it), but I've never really been any good. I usually play on the lowest difficulty setting possible, with the one exception of Doom Eternal on Hurt Me Plenty for one run through the base campaign.
0:20 Platforming is the only thing I'm a veteran at so FF-Tier for me :)
FF means Fast Forwardpastallthedeathsidwhatwereyouthinking
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More like tier Z
I don't know why people had so much trouble with the platforming. Never died to platforming once in that game. Only time I died from falling was one time the enemies kinda pushed me off a cliff
The Spider Mastermind has VAPORIZED her previous tier by being able to tank the BFG even if it means she gets stunned.
Spider Mastermind: Finally I am SS Tier!
That chaingunner in Doom Eternal: I am about to finish that woman's whole career.
Thanks for making this tier list, and the collaboration was insightful too ^_^.
Even as a casual player, I would recommend this tier list for newcomers. It sure has helped me, and the first watch through gave me a general idea as to what the game will be like.
17:48 that pinky is me at hurdles
Wait, can't possesed be insta killed with glory kills on higher difficulties? I never used any ammo on them - only deleted them with glory kills to get Health. Tier F from the start.
They'll rek you when your glory kill animation ends and they all start surrounding you if you rely on melee only.
decino I really don’t understand why you had possessed in d tier all the way through while you put unwilling in tier z. Makes no sense.
ILuv Cram Because the tier placements are based on the enemy threat across all levels, and Possessed are dangerous for awhile at the start, but by time Unwilling show up they’re totally a non-threat
Ah, the one Doom game that made me feel worthless. Had to lower my difficulty setting midway and never survived the Spiderdemon. Since release, I realise that I spent way too little time messing around with runes and upgrading stuff (i.e. playing it like Doom/Doom2), lesson learned until next time I guess. It would be interesting to see how a less-n00b-than-myself would manage the game without runes/weapon-upgrades. That could perhaps make the game more challenging...or at least make me feel less crappy about my gaming abilities... ;)
ZeroMaster has a "no upgrades" Ultra Nightmare run on his channel. Then there's also a "Pistol Only" run... ;)
@@T-West Link for ZM's no upgrades run: th-cam.com/video/RR1G05e0bjs/w-d-xo.html
ByteMe also had one more recently(a skip was found for the first argent cell, so it's fully 0%): th-cam.com/video/0VFNhMPVJEM/w-d-xo.html
Solid tier list. Your knowledge and aptitude show in your work man keep it up. Can't wait to see how Eternal's line-up ranks. Midnight tonight baby already pre-loaded! DOOOOOM!
Playing with the gun at center screen truly shows Decino is a man of culture. First thing I'll look for in Eternal is that option.
Hell guard tip: When one of them does the glowing ball attack, immediately empty some mobile turret bullets into the ball, then just hold down m1 until the Hell Guard dies. Phases 1 and 2 aren't that tricky once you learn how to cancel the glowing orb attack. Charged Burst+double SSG or chaingun turret melts through their health once you cancel the ball attack. Phase 2 is also fairly simple. Just use the chaingun on the flame hell guard when it does the glowing orb attack to instacancel it, then BFG spam or any type of heavy combo. After that, the electric hell guard is a walk in rhe park
Looks like they need a "True Doom" difficulty, where all power ups, runes, and upgrades (not counting the alt-mods for guns) are disabled.
Mein Leben!
I mean you can just choose not to pick them up
Cheap Tactics WRONG!!!
@@johnshepard7133 how am I wrong?
@@THEPELADOMASTER There is probably a single instance where you are forced it.
10:30 BFG Division is playing... Did someone say "Doom Slayer" again?
My greatest mistake in my first runthrough (on Ultra-Violence) was underestimating how amazing the Stun Bomb upgrade was for the plasma rifle. After seeing it in action... man that would've made everything so much easier.
Because of this video, I was able to beat and record a full playthrough of Ultra Nightmare yesterday. Thank you guys so much. 👍
Seeing a tier-list Change over time was really neat, definitely hope other content creators catch onto this.
23:35 - I actually find the phase 1 to be harder than phase 2. Sticking to the ranged guy and spamming double SS>rail gun shot>repeat easily lowers their HP.
In the words of Count Dooku, the most classy and regal Sith Lord of all time: _"I've been looking forward to this."_
Wow! Thanks for the heart!
I really think the tier list will be different for everyone because of their playstyle. I know I used Rich Get Richer rune mostly and I like to do less weapon switching. After I finished Ultra-Nightmare twice I would say the most dangerous demons are the Imp, Hell Knight, Cyber Mancubus and Pinkys. The Imps are dangerous the whole way through because a few hits and the armor for RGR rune is out. Hell Knights can be very random in certain fights and the Cyber Mancubus is a deadly sniper. Pinkys are very weird to dodge and some times when you do dodge one, it can turn around and bite you.
Also, never glory kill an engineere, I found that out the hard way. XD
Nice to hear Peter back on the channel
They don’t just rate the tiers, but also tell you HOW to be successful at it and why. So amazing guys well done
Imps tier SSS+ they can pre shoot you around a corner you're going to turn around 3 seconds from last sighting of you and there are sooooooooooooooooo many of them
My only gripe with the Imp's rating is that judging from the Snap Map's sandbox, you've got a variety of Imps. Not sure if in the campaign, they use only 1 iteration or all of them, but suffice to say if I had to rank them individually it would be like this:
Standard Imp: S Tier. It's degree of annoyance will persist through the entire campaign. They will both blast and slap you hard.
Agressive Imp: B Tier. Surely they shall keep you busy as they only care about rushing like some fiends straight out of Quake 1, but their lack of projectiles pretty much make them appear like Hell Knights if they were extremely fragile.
Sentinel Imp: B Tier. They won't bother charging at you, but they will invest all their time to elaborately ignite you with balls. Individually they are pretty retarded but when paired with Hell Knights and any other other demons, you would probably want to spend some ammunition in the unwashed masses of Sentinel Imps.
Genuine question: why do they so often not take the glory kill and instead waste ammo on shooting them?
Kills your momentum and leaves you vulnerable once the glory kill animation finishes.
@@decino oooh interesting. Also what a gigachad still immediately responding to comments 3 years later holy bologne
I've not played DOOM 2016. I most certainly want to.
Can’t wait for the Doom Eternal tier list!
I really liked this method of doing the tier list - level-by-level and dynamic. If you eventually intend to do one for Doom Eternal too (once you've had plenty of time to play the heck out of it of course) then I'd love to see this format used again for that, :D
(Also I'm not gonna' lie - I was starting to think you'd forgotten about this. So glad to see it show up finally,
I think I would highly advise against ppicking up lockon burst over remote det on the rocket launcher. Remote det is far stronger early and post-mastery, doesn't leave you any vunlerable downtime (by having to charge it) and you can start mastering it quicker if you pick it up first since its mastery requirement is quite a pain. The DPS you get on bosses and large mobs from rotating remote det direct hit -> shotgun grenade -> instant siege shot (or regular gauss shot if you're against exploits) from medium distances or further will carry you throughout most of the game. Infact, I've never seen the twin guardian bosses nor the cyberdemon as a threat (and have never actually felt their attack sequences before) because you can kill them so quickly with 1 BFG stun + Direct hit RemoteDet->Double barrel->gauss switch rotations.
I also think the justification for monsters like xyz mob is easy because of the stun bomb is not so good, because that same argument can be applied to every mob. The stun bomb is essentially a cheat code in this game and gets you out of pretty much every situation barring bosses. In saying that you should definitely prioritise getting the stun bomb upgrade in map02. On the topic of pinkies though using remote det by shooting a rocket beside them and exploding on their tails will kill them very quickly as well if you're short on plasma ammo or have a brain freeze and forgetting you have a stun bomb cheat code.
Also I think using the chaingun in general is pretty bad. It's a very immobile weapon (mobile turret), the ammo depletes quickly and Remote Det+Cluster strike/Double barrel switching will clear every regular mob in the game faster. Then you'll only need Tactical scope AR for really long range engagements.
Obviously I know alot in hind sight because I follow the 100% speedrun category of this game religiously, but even playing casually in UN I found that I never died past Argent Tower because you're basically unstoppable once you get the gauss and remote det masteries.
I hated the idea of remote det when I first saw it and figured that I'd never get any use of it without tunnel visioning and dying, then I finally started picking up the upgrades for it when I'd run out of other things to upgrade and realised how tremendously powerful it is against bigger enemies. I'm always surprised that I don't see anyone else recommend it.
@@DjTake1One it's also just tremendously powerful in general with its high utility. Admittedly in my very first playthrough I also opted for the lock-on burst, but it was surprisingly underwhelming damage wise. (Mind you I was also stupid enough to get Heat blast over Stun bomb on the plasma gun, and my first run I played on Nightmare LOL)
You can snipe imps mid-jump, you can blow up shielded zombiemen from the sides without expending a stun bomb, you can hit pinkie tails from detonating it from the sides (I already mentioned this), you can detonate it early if its firing off track, and it sames ammo over the lockon burst. Then once u master it you don't need to remote det at all since it does its damage boost on regular impact so its a free win on biggies and bosses haha
I recently beat the game on UV, and the gauss cannon's sniper mode completely broke the second boss
I've always found imps really difficult mostly because they're like a small, fast, weaker version of Doomguy. They constantly take my attention from the larger demons and a few managed to get rid of my shields. Glad to see that imps are pretty high on the list most of the time.
I am so pumped for your Eternal playthrough!!!
I'm so excited for Doom Eternal, I started my day off with watching a glitchless speedrun of Doom 2016, then this video. And for most of my day I plan on playing Doom 2016
Man they really gave the revenent some love in Eternal, I just (finally) started my first playthrough of Eternal, and in my hubris, I thought I could start on nightmare since I had been playing 2016 on nightmare anyway. The revenents are BRUTAL. If you ignore them and don't take out their turrets their rockets will just beam you, and are really tough to dodge. And even when you take out the turret there is still a good chance that they can sneak up on you and claw you for half your health, and you can hardly escape their melee range without dashing. Crazy how much if an upgrade they are from 2016