A small correction about the Latford system: It actually accounted for points as far down as one point for 54th. Originally this was because field sizes varied greatly from week to week, so last place could be anywhere from 22nd at Richmond Fairgrounds to 50th at Talladega. Around the time that 43 car fields became standardized, the points for 44th on down were kept as owner points for teams that DNQ'd. Mainly as a way to incentivize them to at least attempt all the races so that they'd be ahead of part-time teams in the event of a qualifying rain-out.
Last place to 31st: 5 points 30th to 26th: 10 points 25th to 21st: 11-15 points respectively, 1 point each position gained 20th to 16th: 16-24 points respectively, 2 points each position gained 15th-10th: 26-38 points respectively, 3 points each position gained 9th place: +4 points, 42 points 8th place: +5 points, 47 points 7th place: +6 points, 53 points 6th place: +7 points, 60 points 5th place: +8 points, 68 points 4th place: +9 points, 77 points 3rd place: +10 points, 87 points 2nd place: +11 points, 98 points Winner: +12 points, 110 points Stage points as is for 1st-10th places, without cautions breaking up the race. If you want to keep people’s attention more during the race, shorten the races, outside of crown jewel races and ss tracks, instead of artificially breaking up the flow of a race. Full season points, no playoffs bullshit necessary. 3 bonus points for leading a lap. 6 bonus points for leading the most points. And for qualifying, 3 points for 1st, 2 points for 2nd, and 1 point for 3rd. Add some reward for those who can qualify consistently up top. This is how you have the most legitimate points system possible that still emphasizes winning.
As a person who knows the sport, just a casual, other than the dumb playoffs system that literally everyone has said it sucks, what I really dislike is the stupid stages. I loved watching drivers go full throttle for 200-300 laps constantly without having to stop mid way because they completed a stage of 60 laps. That just takes the fun out of it
After the finale at Phoenix last Sunday, I renounced myself as a NASCAR Fan because the sport only relies on favoritism and wealth. Consistency and endurance don’t mean anything to anyone.
Why does NASCAR not make decisions that the people want, every time the fans come up with an idea NASCAR does the exact opposite and just says "yeah, this is what they want" instead of taking notes from when they peaked in the 90s and 2000s
This isn’t just a NASCAR-only problem, it’s a racing problem. It doesn’t belong in racing, it shouldn’t belong in racing. It’s a disgrace to auto racing.
F1 solved it by simply making the leaders get proportionally more points. So 25 - 18 - 15 - 12 - 10- 8 - 6 and so on. Of course, Nascar has more cars, so the proportion should be adjusted.
@@felipegome1 We had that from 1975 to 2010, but NASCAR execs thought it was too complicated to have a single change in position be worth more than one point.
@felipegome1 imo indycar has the best system of points, followed closely by F1. And I understand feeling the other way, f1 points followed closely by indycar points. NASCAR has the worst format for a championship period.
We need to add, Jeff Gordon would be the only driver you can compare with Richard Petty and Dale Sr as a 7 time champion. Jimmie Johnson would only have 3 under the Winston Cup format while Gordon would have 7. Penkse also would have NONE. History gets skewed when it gets compared
Arguably yes, but without the playoffs maybe teams approach the season differently. Penske especially suspiciously keeps finding pace late on in the season these last few years.
my ideal playoffs - delete win and you're in throughout the entire season, none of the top 16 drivers ever get eliminated through the playoffs, keep stage racing (but with no cautions on road courses), and bring homestead back to the final race also ideally, the playoffs will only be for a cash price, and the real winner is based on the season-long points edit 2 - just finished the video and it is literally just what i said xD
Remember when NASCAR had a rule to throw a yellow at truck races if they had too many consecutive laps under a green flag? The best rule change NASCAR can make is eliminating all of the previous rule changes. They have destroyed the sport.
Jett, that was a lot to digest. I commend you, your dedication and commitment on this video. This must've taken 18 hours to produce and edit. I thank you for your video & think it should receive an award.
I'll say one thing, Joey deserves the 3 championship because he played the system in the best way possible. But that doesn't mean for a good percentage of the Nascar community (Including myself) will think he's underserved because we have a driver with 3 very undeserved championships because of this format on the same amount of championships next to Nascar's second most winniest driver with 100+ victories.
And to answer your question, yes I can name every driver that has made the final four from 2014-present. But that's because my form of neurodivergence includes a NASCAR hyperfixation, to the degree that I can list the point standings in order for every year from 1981 onwards, and tell you who won every race since '83.
Well done. NASCAR will never get fans on the same page as far as a playoff champion. With all the cars on the track every week, everyone already knows who had the best year. Before the Chase, every race was about that race and who won. The Championship was a year long side story playing in the background. But whoever won the 28th race was a big deal. Someone made history every race. Now, the commentators don’t really care about the race winner, it’s just about the championship. They wanted wins to matter more, but they made them matter less. It’s ALL about the championship, and most people don’t even think that’s legitimate.
NASCAR Can FIX The entire sport with 5 Things: (1) GO BACK to a REAL Points system. (2) 900 HP again to FIX the Racing. (3) No more Stage breaks. (4) Race BACK to the caution Flags. (5) Deregulation of the Series there's just TOO MANY RULES get out of the way and let actual Racing happen. There you go the ENTIRE NASCAR problem FIXED but they WON'T EVER DO IT!!
The Top 10 seeded by wins with 2 Wild Card spots for winners in the Top 20 was my preferred format. Give more points to the winner! Under the Latford System, 2nd place could out point the winner. Change the tracks and final race every year. From 2004 to 2013 did the tracks in the Chase change that much? Darlington in 04, but not after that. Auto Club? And there was no road course track, until after 2014.
The first couple of your videos I watched I thought you were a bandwagoner. You have proven me wrong and thank you for that. I truly want young people coming into the things I love to carry on and make it last for as long as you can. I have to disagree with you about any format other than a full season championship but at least you're willing to put thought into it and willing to see where grumpy old people like me are still watching the sport. Man I hope you are having a wonderful day and thank you for the great video
I really like your compromise of a format, although you're like me and want a similar format to the Winston Cup era except using the current points structure. Great video Jett!
Thank you! I love the story Line element you added. Story lines also create star power. And that's one thing that NASCAR lacks nowadays. Yes you have your primary contenders but are they as popular as Dale Sr was or Bill Elliott, or Jeff Gordon? No. And look at what those drivers had their dominance in. The season long points system
You should! While I mostly watched NASCAR this past year… any chance I got to watch Indy/F1 & even IMSA, I must say all of their racing products were a breath of fresh air compared to NASCAR. Would recommend.
Yes! I agree, 100%. NASCAR. Keep the playoffs. But... PLEASE!!!!!!!!!! LIKE FREAKIN, SERIOUSLY!!!!!!! Go Back, To The Original Chase Format, With The Original 2004-2006 10 Driver/ 2004-2013 10 Chase Race Format, with Chase Points and NO More, Points Resets... ONLY, FOR THE FREAKIN, NASCAR CUP SERIES!!!!!!!!! But... Go Back, To The IMSA/INDYCAR/Formula 1 Latford Full-Season NASCAR Winston Cup Points Format... ONLY, FOR BOTH, THE NASCAR XFINITY SERIES, AND THE NASCAR CRAFTSMAN TRUCK SERIES!!!!!!!!!!
This is such a tough situation, because I *want* to be a fan of NASCAR, and I’ll never talk bad about someone for being a fan, but being a loyal fan when nascar is actively doing things that make the series worse is enabling them to continue doing those things. This isn’t a “if you love it then let it go” situation, it’s more that the thing doesn’t love *you* anymore and/or simply is not the same thing that you loved before. Do you leave at the first sign of things going wrong? Of course not, but we’re 2 decades in the wrong direction with no signs of slowing. What point, if any, is enough enough? That’s for each person to decide for themselves, but I think it’s good for everyone to consider at the very least. Do you really enjoy it, or would you not know what to do without it?
I agree the phony playoffs are dumb and is not the best system to crown a champion. At least the Chase rewarded consistency throughout 10 races, not just 1 race for a manufactured game 7 moment. Playoff lovers telling playoff haters "don't watch" doesn't help the problem. That only decreases a fanbase that has already been on decline.
the thing ive been seeing lately is people calling for the old chase format to come back which I personally want I grew up with that format and also I think it was a good middleground cuz what we have now is a mess
There will never be a real solution for the playoffs, the point is to minimize the damage and try to make it "fairer", one of the solutions would be to change Championship 4 to a 3-race event. NASCAR will never abandon this format unless something very dramatic occurs like a boycott of the sport
No championship format will every satisfy anyone. See the constant changes in the format at F1, MLB, NCAA, NBA, NFL, NHL, MSL, and pretty much every other sports/entertainment organization.
The way that the Lucas Oil Late Models and now the Supercars do it is a Three race final round that determines the champion and that's honestly what they're gonna go with. But it's NASCAR I really don't trust them.
If you go back (unlikely) to full season/no playoff, then you must accept that the championship might be clinched before the season finale (see: F1). The idea of anticlimactic races probably galls NASCAR when they think it adds up to fewer eyeballs on the TV for those races.
There is a reason no other main racing series has a playoff. F1, Indycar, pretty much every local track series have a season long format. And there's no fixing the NASCAR championship. If they simply tweak the format they are admitting it has flaws, and no amount of "fixes" will work because a post season in raing is always flawed. If they went back the OG Chase format it'll be less controversial but there will be detractors from both the older and younger crowd. The older crowd mostly prefers the old Latford system. The young crowd has grown up with some form of playoffs and will likely not be as wowed by the old Chase format that had less "entertainment." If you go back to the latford system the old crowd will likely not return. The amount of oldheads I've heard say they have lost all interest, that the sport died with Dale is a prime example, regardless of how stupid that statement is. And you'll alienate the younger crowd who have grown up with the Chase and Playoffs. NASCAR has painted themselves into a corner.
NASCAR doesn't even care what the fans and drivers want when it comes to playoffs format get rid of it and just go back to the chase for the cup and keep the stage points and have it be 12 drivers and more win and you're in like if we can go back to that it be good enough for everyone.😊
The only solution to all of this nonsense is a full season championship race! No Chase format or Playoffs will work in NASCAR & in Motorsports in general.
I don't really care what happens to the playoffs anymore. I agree they suck. It just isn't for me, and I can't waste anymore time complaining... because caring just became unhealthy. We were told so many times "if you don't like it, dont watch" and that has saved me so many brain cells. I had to manually pull myself away from that part of the season, compartmentalizing it in my mind as the part the schedule that doesn't matter. The post-season... post-season entertainment. I didn't come for guaranteed entertainment. I just came for racing. So I can't treat myself like shit and sit myself through an experience that involves invalidating the results of racing... to pretend every season of NASCAR is some huge epic cinematic underdog story. Congrats to Tyler Reddick idk
The "If you don't like t, don't watch" crowd are what's wrong with sport. They say that but they themselves shouldn't be watching because they are not fans of racing.
All of this discussion has only shown how good this playoff system is. When my guy DJ won in 99, he was so far ahead in points we knew who the champ was so far in advance that even though my guy won, something had to be done. I feel like so much drama this season created one of the best story lines for the championship chase. It's up to the other teams to step up when it really counts and just because Penske has DOMINATED the last 3 years, people are whining. We heard it when Jimmie and Chad were dominating. The format narrows down to 4 survivors, they all have equal chances to win the cup. Joey and his team are what competition is all about. Anyone who minimalizes their achievements is just mad their driver didn't make it. And isn't that creating drama for next season already? After a long season of tuning and preparing, Paul and Joey if anything have shown there are so many ways to get there and it's a fight the WHOLE season. Everyone that wants us to back up and do what we already have done doesn't make sense. These other teams if being honest would say how good this playoff system is. Nobody complained during the regular season because they're busy biting off fingernails on the edge of their seat pulling for their driver every week! We think we know what's gonna happen and then something crazy happens! Isn't that as good as it gets? I'm not saying some tweaks aren't needed but anything that messes up this format will be awful. Ask yourself if you would be complaining if your driver won. I don't think so.
Why not do it like Formula 1? They also had this problem where consistency counted more than victories. Do you know what they did? They increased the amount of points the winner gets, making it proportionally much higher than the subsequent placed drivers. It's not that hard and takes these gimmick nonsenses out of the sport.
Have the 3 three round playoffs. Like now since nascar says they are not getting rid of it. Top 10 regular season points winners and anyone that won a race if want to keep win and in. Instead of knockouts just reset each round at the start . Give 10th place driver 2 points 9th 4 etc. Give season champ 22 points. If want to award points for regular season wins then 2 points for each win. So after each round the winner of that round would get 30 points and 2nd get 27 etc. So next round reset to 1st place regular season winner 22 points 10th place 2 points. So say you finish 1st in round 1 you get 30 points Have a bad round 2 and finish 8th and get 16 points 2nd in round 3. And get 27 points. So you would end up with73 total points. The driver with the most total playoff points is the champion. Now the points can be tweaked but this was just an example. It’s simple and you know where you stand plus by not knocking out drivers more fans would still watch if their favorite stayed in the playoffs. And isn’t that what nascar is wanting
Yet another Playoff hater. I hope you have fun complaining on the internet, but the fact is that the Playoffs aren't going anywhere. NBC needs to create an exciting format that brings in viewers during the NFL season in the Fall. The fact is, the NFL fanbase and NASCAR fanbase has a huge overlap and many fans will tune into the NFL if there are no stakes later on in the NASCAR season. The Playoffs guarantee incredibly high stakes in every single race in the Playoffs and incentivize both fans to watch and sponsors to pay for the sport. The only thing that matters is the amount of views and clicks NASCAR gets, and the Playoffs maximize both those metrics.
if they made the last round 3 races with the playoff points carrying over to the last round then it would be much better, but its the fact that there's one race to determine it all that pisses me off
Omg everybody needs to shut up about the damn playoffs, the whole reason it was created was bc Jimmie Johnson rode around taking good points days and won 5 in a row bc of it, and the fans were SICK of it! So they looked at the other sports and implemented the same format, where winning matters, fans got sick of hearing "oh it was a good points day" and it made racing boring. Dear God nascar fans are never happy, they do what yall asked for and now it a horrible format. The best teams and the best drivers don't always win. NCAA basketball is a PRIME example of how every sport should be and nobody complains about March Madness, just enjoy drivers actually fighting for wins again
No one asked for a format like this. Could’ve been as simple as giving more points to the winner. Not this bracket style elimination. And no, everyone won’t shut up about it because of how flawed it is
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT not mad at him he has an opinion however I'm referring to all the FANS that requested a change bc NASCAR BECAME BORING and now all the fans do is complain. It's freaking racing for crying out loud nobody should care about finishing second and thats all it had turned into and people got sick of it, now yall are complain about a scenario where there's an emphasis on winning? Lmfao yall are laughable and never satisfied
@ fans have the right to complain about the actual bad stuff that hurts NASCAR. As for the other fans that suck, they suck. Then again, the NASCAR fanbase sucks. In racing, we racing fans wanna see natural good racing and the best drivers going at it by each season. Racing should not be like ball sports and/or WWE. That’s the problem. Unlike NASCAR fans, I, as a Motorsports fanatic in general, know what I want in racing. I’m very simple. Believe me.
To quote the late great Doc Hudson; "it's just an empty cup."
Or to be more specific... The best actor/driver combo, and the best Nissan spokesman... Paul Newman.
Doc Hudson's Quote about Championships being nothing more than An Empty Cup aged like fine wine Thanks to The Playoff System
Exactly right.😊
A small correction about the Latford system: It actually accounted for points as far down as one point for 54th. Originally this was because field sizes varied greatly from week to week, so last place could be anywhere from 22nd at Richmond Fairgrounds to 50th at Talladega. Around the time that 43 car fields became standardized, the points for 44th on down were kept as owner points for teams that DNQ'd. Mainly as a way to incentivize them to at least attempt all the races so that they'd be ahead of part-time teams in the event of a qualifying rain-out.
It frustrates me because the simple fix for the old format could be as simple as just making a 10 to 20 points difference from 1st to 2nd.
Last place to 31st: 5 points
30th to 26th: 10 points
25th to 21st: 11-15 points respectively, 1 point each position gained
20th to 16th: 16-24 points respectively, 2 points each position gained
15th-10th: 26-38 points respectively,
3 points each position gained
9th place: +4 points, 42 points
8th place: +5 points, 47 points
7th place: +6 points, 53 points
6th place: +7 points, 60 points
5th place: +8 points, 68 points
4th place: +9 points, 77 points
3rd place: +10 points, 87 points
2nd place: +11 points, 98 points
Winner: +12 points, 110 points
Stage points as is for 1st-10th places, without cautions breaking up the race. If you want to keep people’s attention more during the race, shorten the races, outside of crown jewel races and ss tracks, instead of artificially breaking up the flow of a race.
Full season points, no playoffs bullshit necessary.
3 bonus points for leading a lap. 6 bonus points for leading the most points. And for qualifying, 3 points for 1st, 2 points for 2nd, and 1 point for 3rd. Add some reward for those who can qualify consistently up top.
This is how you have the most legitimate points system possible that still emphasizes winning.
As a person who knows the sport, just a casual, other than the dumb playoffs system that literally everyone has said it sucks, what I really dislike is the stupid stages. I loved watching drivers go full throttle for 200-300 laps constantly without having to stop mid way because they completed a stage of 60 laps. That just takes the fun out of it
Anyone ever get up to go to the bathroom or make a sandwich or whatever during a stage break and just sort of forget to come back?? 😝
After the finale at Phoenix last Sunday, I renounced myself as a NASCAR Fan because the sport only relies on favoritism and wealth. Consistency and endurance don’t mean anything to anyone.
Why does NASCAR not make decisions that the people want, every time the fans come up with an idea NASCAR does the exact opposite and just says "yeah, this is what they want" instead of taking notes from when they peaked in the 90s and 2000s
This isn’t just a NASCAR-only problem, it’s a racing problem. It doesn’t belong in racing, it shouldn’t belong in racing. It’s a disgrace to auto racing.
F1 solved it by simply making the leaders get proportionally more points. So 25 - 18 - 15 - 12 - 10- 8 - 6 and so on.
Of course, Nascar has more cars, so the proportion should be adjusted.
@@felipegome1 We had that from 1975 to 2010, but NASCAR execs thought it was too complicated to have a single change in position be worth more than one point.
@felipegome1 imo indycar has the best system of points, followed closely by F1. And I understand feeling the other way, f1 points followed closely by indycar points.
NASCAR has the worst format for a championship period.
Had a points adjustment under the old system but NASCAR said it was too confusing for fans so we had to count by onesies.
We need to add, Jeff Gordon would be the only driver you can compare with Richard Petty and Dale Sr as a 7 time champion. Jimmie Johnson would only have 3 under the Winston Cup format while Gordon would have 7. Penkse also would have NONE. History gets skewed when it gets compared
Actually, penske would only get 1 in 2012 with brad considering he would still win a championship under the winston format
Arguably yes, but without the playoffs maybe teams approach the season differently.
Penske especially suspiciously keeps finding pace late on in the season these last few years.
@@DomoLuvable Yes, I accidently spaced out Keselowski's 2012 title. My bad
@@nickklavdianos5136 Agreed. And, I mistakenly left out Brad Keselowski's 2012 Cup title. Him being at Roush now made me overlook that
oK, bUt JeTt, ThE ‘07 pAtRiOtS-
my ideal playoffs - delete win and you're in throughout the entire season, none of the top 16 drivers ever get eliminated through the playoffs, keep stage racing (but with no cautions on road courses), and bring homestead back to the final race
also ideally, the playoffs will only be for a cash price, and the real winner is based on the season-long points
edit 2 - just finished the video and it is literally just what i said xD
THANK YOU!
I’ve said that ever since they announced the mid-season tournament
Remember when NASCAR had a rule to throw a yellow at truck races if they had too many consecutive laps under a green flag?
The best rule change NASCAR can make is eliminating all of the previous rule changes. They have destroyed the sport.
Jett, that was a lot to digest. I commend you, your dedication and commitment on this video. This must've taken 18 hours to produce and edit. I thank you for your video & think it should receive an award.
Thank you I appreciate that, it was a lot of work from start to finish and happy that you were satisfied with it
Never take oxycodone kids
I'll say one thing, Joey deserves the 3 championship because he played the system in the best way possible. But that doesn't mean for a good percentage of the Nascar community (Including myself) will think he's underserved because we have a driver with 3 very undeserved championships because of this format on the same amount of championships next to Nascar's second most winniest driver with 100+ victories.
NASCAR needs to stop being Scott Rigged, But it’s not going to happen
And to answer your question, yes I can name every driver that has made the final four from 2014-present. But that's because my form of neurodivergence includes a NASCAR hyperfixation, to the degree that I can list the point standings in order for every year from 1981 onwards, and tell you who won every race since '83.
Just a fellow neurodivergent here saying hi. 👋😊
Same, bro, same
Well done. NASCAR will never get fans on the same page as far as a playoff champion. With all the cars on the track every week, everyone already knows who had the best year. Before the Chase, every race was about that race and who won. The Championship was a year long side story playing in the background. But whoever won the 28th race was a big deal. Someone made history every race. Now, the commentators don’t really care about the race winner, it’s just about the championship. They wanted wins to matter more, but they made them matter less. It’s ALL about the championship, and most people don’t even think that’s legitimate.
NASCAR Can FIX The entire sport with 5 Things: (1) GO BACK to a REAL Points system. (2) 900 HP again to FIX the Racing. (3) No more Stage breaks. (4) Race BACK to the caution Flags. (5) Deregulation of the Series there's just TOO MANY RULES get out of the way and let actual Racing happen. There you go the ENTIRE NASCAR problem FIXED but they WON'T EVER DO IT!!
The Top 10 seeded by wins with 2 Wild Card spots for winners in the Top 20 was my preferred format.
Give more points to the winner! Under the Latford System, 2nd place could out point the winner.
Change the tracks and final race every year.
From 2004 to 2013 did the tracks in the Chase change that much? Darlington in 04, but not after that. Auto Club? And there was no road course track, until after 2014.
The first couple of your videos I watched I thought you were a bandwagoner. You have proven me wrong and thank you for that. I truly want young people coming into the things I love to carry on and make it last for as long as you can. I have to disagree with you about any format other than a full season championship but at least you're willing to put thought into it and willing to see where grumpy old people like me are still watching the sport. Man I hope you are having a wonderful day and thank you for the great video
I really like your compromise of a format, although you're like me and want a similar format to the Winston Cup era except using the current points structure. Great video Jett!
God save the v8 supercars series
@@antoniestrada1972 sadly it’s too late…
@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT the ceo must be on oxycodone
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT Can’t wait for that series to go down the drain honestly.
Thank you! I love the story Line element you added. Story lines also create star power. And that's one thing that NASCAR lacks nowadays. Yes you have your primary contenders but are they as popular as Dale Sr was or Bill Elliott, or Jeff Gordon? No. And look at what those drivers had their dominance in. The season long points system
why did you have to make me think about that 2021 F1 season again?
Sorry man i had to open up the wounds to help my case
@@JettMDK you did do a great job putting this video together man.
I should get into watching F1 and IndyCar sometime next year.
You should! While I mostly watched NASCAR this past year… any chance I got to watch Indy/F1 & even IMSA, I must say all of their racing products were a breath of fresh air compared to NASCAR. Would recommend.
Yes! I agree, 100%.
NASCAR. Keep the playoffs.
But... PLEASE!!!!!!!!!! LIKE FREAKIN, SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!
Go Back, To The Original Chase Format, With The Original 2004-2006 10 Driver/ 2004-2013 10 Chase Race Format, with Chase Points and NO More, Points Resets... ONLY, FOR THE FREAKIN, NASCAR CUP SERIES!!!!!!!!!
But...
Go Back, To The IMSA/INDYCAR/Formula 1 Latford Full-Season NASCAR Winston Cup Points Format... ONLY, FOR BOTH, THE NASCAR XFINITY SERIES, AND THE NASCAR CRAFTSMAN TRUCK SERIES!!!!!!!!!!
I was just watching the finale to 2011 and im like "why can't this ever happen again?" lol
I actually like your proposed format
This is such a tough situation, because I *want* to be a fan of NASCAR, and I’ll never talk bad about someone for being a fan, but being a loyal fan when nascar is actively doing things that make the series worse is enabling them to continue doing those things. This isn’t a “if you love it then let it go” situation, it’s more that the thing doesn’t love *you* anymore and/or simply is not the same thing that you loved before. Do you leave at the first sign of things going wrong? Of course not, but we’re 2 decades in the wrong direction with no signs of slowing. What point, if any, is enough enough? That’s for each person to decide for themselves, but I think it’s good for everyone to consider at the very least. Do you really enjoy it, or would you not know what to do without it?
My preferred playoff is the wild card chase but instead of top 10 in points it’s top 8 in points and 9th to 18th in points with most wins
I agree the phony playoffs are dumb and is not the best system to crown a champion. At least the Chase rewarded consistency throughout 10 races, not just 1 race for a manufactured game 7 moment. Playoff lovers telling playoff haters "don't watch" doesn't help the problem. That only decreases a fanbase that has already been on decline.
the thing ive been seeing lately is people calling for the old chase format to come back which I personally want I grew up with that format and also I think it was a good middleground cuz what we have now is a mess
this playoff bs is lowkey making me fall out of love with nascar, i wish they would just use a fair championship format
It's why I like sports car racing more. They don't have a Playoffs format and those series had a great season this year like IMSA and WEC for example.
I’ve been a NASCAR fan for 27 years now and I don’t understand this format.
Imagine Martinsville but happening 3 races in a row lmao
There will never be a real solution for the playoffs, the point is to minimize the damage and try to make it "fairer", one of the solutions would be to change Championship 4 to a 3-race event. NASCAR will never abandon this format unless something very dramatic occurs like a boycott of the sport
The playoff system made me completely LAYOFF Nascar! It devalued of being a Champion.
3:47 I started to watch in 2022 and had no problems of understanding the system. But it still sucks.
No championship format will every satisfy anyone. See the constant changes in the format at F1, MLB, NCAA, NBA, NFL, NHL, MSL, and pretty much every other sports/entertainment organization.
Don't change the amount of races, just make the final round 4 races, it would be way better
The way that the Lucas Oil Late Models and now the Supercars do it is a Three race final round that determines the champion and that's honestly what they're gonna go with. But it's NASCAR I really don't trust them.
If you go back (unlikely) to full season/no playoff, then you must accept that the championship might be clinched before the season finale (see: F1). The idea of anticlimactic races probably galls NASCAR when they think it adds up to fewer eyeballs on the TV for those races.
After what happened at Martinsville/Phoenix
R.I.P Dale Earnhardt who won his 7 titles the right way
6* if rcr weren’t crybabies mark martin would’ve won a championship
There is a reason no other main racing series has a playoff. F1, Indycar, pretty much every local track series have a season long format.
And there's no fixing the NASCAR championship. If they simply tweak the format they are admitting it has flaws, and no amount of "fixes" will work because a post season in raing is always flawed.
If they went back the OG Chase format it'll be less controversial but there will be detractors from both the older and younger crowd. The older crowd mostly prefers the old Latford system. The young crowd has grown up with some form of playoffs and will likely not be as wowed by the old Chase format that had less "entertainment."
If you go back to the latford system the old crowd will likely not return. The amount of oldheads I've heard say they have lost all interest, that the sport died with Dale is a prime example, regardless of how stupid that statement is. And you'll alienate the younger crowd who have grown up with the Chase and Playoffs.
NASCAR has painted themselves into a corner.
NASCAR doesn't even care what the fans and drivers want when it comes to playoffs format get rid of it and just go back to the chase for the cup and keep the stage points and have it be 12 drivers and more win and you're in like if we can go back to that it be good enough for everyone.😊
The only solution to all of this nonsense is a full season championship race! No Chase format or Playoffs will work in NASCAR & in Motorsports in general.
I don't really care what happens to the playoffs anymore. I agree they suck. It just isn't for me, and I can't waste anymore time complaining... because caring just became unhealthy.
We were told so many times "if you don't like it, dont watch" and that has saved me so many brain cells. I had to manually pull myself away from that part of the season, compartmentalizing it in my mind as the part the schedule that doesn't matter. The post-season... post-season entertainment.
I didn't come for guaranteed entertainment. I just came for racing. So I can't treat myself like shit and sit myself through an experience that involves invalidating the results of racing... to pretend every season of NASCAR is some huge epic cinematic underdog story.
Congrats to Tyler Reddick idk
also wish superthanks was turned on, I was gonna donate
The "If you don't like t, don't watch" crowd are what's wrong with sport. They say that but they themselves shouldn't be watching because they are not fans of racing.
All of this discussion has only shown how good this playoff system is. When my guy DJ won in 99, he was so far ahead in points we knew who the champ was so far in advance that even though my guy won, something had to be done. I feel like so much drama this season created one of the best story lines for the championship chase. It's up to the other teams to step up when it really counts and just because Penske has DOMINATED the last 3 years, people are whining. We heard it when Jimmie and Chad were dominating. The format narrows down to 4 survivors, they all have equal chances to win the cup. Joey and his team are what competition is all about. Anyone who minimalizes their achievements is just mad their driver didn't make it. And isn't that creating drama for next season already? After a long season of tuning and preparing, Paul and Joey if anything have shown there are so many ways to get there and it's a fight the WHOLE season. Everyone that wants us to back up and do what we already have done doesn't make sense. These other teams if being honest would say how good this playoff system is. Nobody complained during the regular season because they're busy biting off fingernails on the edge of their seat pulling for their driver every week! We think we know what's gonna happen and then something crazy happens! Isn't that as good as it gets? I'm not saying some tweaks aren't needed but anything that messes up this format will be awful. Ask yourself if you would be complaining if your driver won. I don't think so.
Why not do it like Formula 1? They also had this problem where consistency counted more than victories.
Do you know what they did? They increased the amount of points the winner gets, making it proportionally much higher than the subsequent placed drivers.
It's not that hard and takes these gimmick nonsenses out of the sport.
Couldn't have said it any better.
Another reason why Tony Stewart left, he was smart to get out
0:53 This is the worst points system format I've ever seen. 2003-2009 F1 points system is the best one
Have the 3 three round playoffs. Like now since nascar says they are not getting rid of it. Top 10 regular season points winners and anyone that won a race if want to keep win and in. Instead of knockouts just reset each round at the start . Give 10th place driver 2 points 9th 4 etc. Give season champ 22 points. If want to award points for regular season wins then 2 points for each win. So after each round the winner of that round would get 30 points and 2nd get 27 etc. So next round reset to 1st place regular season winner 22 points 10th place 2 points. So say you finish 1st in round 1 you get 30 points Have a bad round 2 and finish 8th and get 16 points 2nd in round 3. And get 27 points. So you would end up with73 total points. The driver with the most total playoff points is the champion. Now the points can be tweaked but this was just an example. It’s simple and you know where you stand plus by not knocking out drivers more fans would still watch if their favorite stayed in the playoffs. And isn’t that what nascar is wanting
The Rock vs Austin II had a better stroy than the match
That's the point. The matches were great, but the story was top notch.
stop asking legitimate questions, just consume product....
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Yet another Playoff hater. I hope you have fun complaining on the internet, but the fact is that the Playoffs aren't going anywhere. NBC needs to create an exciting format that brings in viewers during the NFL season in the Fall. The fact is, the NFL fanbase and NASCAR fanbase has a huge overlap and many fans will tune into the NFL if there are no stakes later on in the NASCAR season. The Playoffs guarantee incredibly high stakes in every single race in the Playoffs and incentivize both fans to watch and sponsors to pay for the sport. The only thing that matters is the amount of views and clicks NASCAR gets, and the Playoffs maximize both those metrics.
if they made the last round 3 races with the playoff points carrying over to the last round then it would be much better, but its the fact that there's one race to determine it all that pisses me off
Go watch another sport lmao. You're not a racing fan. We need that toxicity in NASCAR.
Why you guys are bunch of cry babies
Omg everybody needs to shut up about the damn playoffs, the whole reason it was created was bc Jimmie Johnson rode around taking good points days and won 5 in a row bc of it, and the fans were SICK of it! So they looked at the other sports and implemented the same format, where winning matters, fans got sick of hearing "oh it was a good points day" and it made racing boring. Dear God nascar fans are never happy, they do what yall asked for and now it a horrible format. The best teams and the best drivers don't always win. NCAA basketball is a PRIME example of how every sport should be and nobody complains about March Madness, just enjoy drivers actually fighting for wins again
my opinion, we need someone like johnson back. a dominate driver is necessary to have a truly good story
Then NASCAR shouldn’t be a ball sport and WWE on wheels to begin with. It’s your fault you clicked on this video. Be mad at yourself, not Jett
No one asked for a format like this. Could’ve been as simple as giving more points to the winner. Not this bracket style elimination. And no, everyone won’t shut up about it because of how flawed it is
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT not mad at him he has an opinion however I'm referring to all the FANS that requested a change bc NASCAR BECAME BORING and now all the fans do is complain. It's freaking racing for crying out loud nobody should care about finishing second and thats all it had turned into and people got sick of it, now yall are complain about a scenario where there's an emphasis on winning? Lmfao yall are laughable and never satisfied
@ fans have the right to complain about the actual bad stuff that hurts NASCAR. As for the other fans that suck, they suck. Then again, the NASCAR fanbase sucks.
In racing, we racing fans wanna see natural good racing and the best drivers going at it by each season. Racing should not be like ball sports and/or WWE. That’s the problem.
Unlike NASCAR fans, I, as a Motorsports fanatic in general, know what I want in racing. I’m very simple. Believe me.