I feel like the director said to Kevin before his first race: "You have to say 'lit' at least once during the broadcast or you're fired.. ...(Oh my god he actually did it, lol!)"
@@pokeboi5438this was my favorite one. It killed me, but the best part was 15 seconds after, right before they went to commercial break and Mike flawlessly inserted "no cap" at the end of his sentence.
"Grown men playing with balls" "Grown men playing with sticks" "Grown men hitting their balls with a stick" These are some very _straight_ forward explanations 😁
As an IndyCar fan, I have a lot of criticisms about the current state of our series, but TV coverage isn't one of them. We get excellent NBC coverage all season long.
@@psychlops924 I agree, I'd like more racing on TV, but if they're going to put IndyCar on streaming, at least it is all on one streaming service, unlike NASCAR.
The only thing I would want from NASCAR is to do the F1 TV approach, where NASCAR would control the broadcast, making it more uniform, and commentators alongside with the TV ones. Also, no ads during racing, as I've grown quite tired of having what feels like less than 1 minute of action and then back to a commercial break.
Also tbh if there's a caution, nothing much is happening outside of cars circling behind the safety car on maybe 40mph for few laps until the pitlane opens so switching to commercials at that time is justified. What I would like to see though is more side-by-side view during green flag runs on regular basis, if not every race. That way TV broadcasters can run ads while still allowing fans to watch the race as it happens at the same time. You just couldn't not show ads on American-based sports because it's the culture of America and capitalism as a whole, for better or worse.
@DannyPlaysStuff But with other American sports, it is alot easier to take breaks where it doesn't interrupt the viewers experience of the game. MLB you can take breaks between innings, NFL during timeouts, after points are scored, after punts, etc. Nascar already has stage cautions built in, it isn't that hard to have the adverts placed there. Also couldn't they have the split view adverts where the advert takes up most of the screen with a small inset showing the race still so atleast if they are going to show adverts during the race, people don't miss everything that's going on?
The end of the IndyCar on ABC era was the same way. Coverage was HORRIBLE, they only ever showed the front of the race. The commentary from Eddie Cheever and Scott Goodyear was beyond boring. It was very clear that ABC just did not care. That's why I hope NBC gets another IndyCar contract, because their coverage of the Indianapolis 500 is the best it's ever been IMHO.
"Imagine if for every 2 minutes of my videos you got a minute long ad, It shouldnt be like that and wont be like that, and the same should be said for tv- " *cuts to ad*
You’re point on advertisements was interesting because here in the UK showing ads during a live sporting event it’s very forbidden, for UK indycar they go to an entire different commentator while the main us ones cut to ads.
ITV showed mid-race ads when they had F1, so it has happened. And on Sky you sometimes get ads during a cricket game, albeit they tend to pop up between wickets.
@@GrandpaShark I can understand going to commercial while under caution, fine. But when they try to show kids like 5 times a race & make it seem like that they're more important, that's the issue.
@@number1musichater430every sport has its fan shots, a 4th quarter football shot of fans in disbelief as they probably just lost the game, fans losing their minds after a stunning dunk in basketball. But these moments happen when the action isnt. For Nascar, show the fans getting out of the seats when the cars are rounding turn 4 heading for a restart, not when the battle is actually happening.
I’ve said this for a long long time FOX treats the fans like kids watching NASCAR for the first time NBC treats not only the sport seriously but the fans seriously and they seem to actually care about NASCAR FOX just seems they don’t want to cover it
NBC: WE GOTA A BATTLE! Fox: … NBC: No one’s passing, but this is exciting! Fox: … NBC: *excitement noises* Fox: … NBC: I provide actual commentary! Why is that wall concrete? Fox: … and now a word from Duracell
I personally think it's nothing to do with the reporters. Regan Smith and Jamie Little are doing excellent in the pits, and Mike (The legend), Kevin (A much better Jeff Gordon), Clint (Who is really improving), Larry (A neat cameo now and then) and Adam (A great voice in the Xfinity Series) are doing well in the booth. Everything else, I absolutely agree.
I just want ONE place where I can tune into every Sunday to see each race through out the season. Indy has it, WRC has it, F1 has it but unfortunately for NASCAR I have to have 4 different packages to catch the entire season. Unless I’m mistaken that’s a huge bummer and I hope they do something about it. Great video el
The Worst example of FOX's ineptitude was in the 2019 NASCAR Hall of Fame 200 at Martinsville for the Truck Series at Martinsville where the Camera just cut off on the final restart and only showed the FS1 Logo with muffled audio of the broadcast and then cut back to show Race Winner Todd Gilliland doing burnouts for a few seconds and then Cut away AGAIN to a College Football Game And of course I would also mention the 2022 Truck Race at Knoxville but that may be too much to take in
Im okay with that. Bad stuff happens in live broadcasts. Sure, you want to minimize them, handle them gracefully, but just simply having a technical issue? Fine. My problem with Fox isnt the errors, its the everyday quality of the broadcasts. When you are coming in to the GEICO restart zone, the most exciting moment of the sport, and then they cut away to a kid in the stands until the cars are past the start finish line. Every restart. Every race. That isnt a one off glitch, its not a missed shot of an unpredictable aspect of the sport, like a wreck or a fight, no. It's a terrible, intentional, production policy on the most predictable and exciting aspect of the sport.
I just wish they'd go back to the scrolling ticker they had in the early 00s. It was so aesthetically pleasing and perfect for a sport that's constantly in motion.
I might be in the minority, but I honestly prefer the tower over the ticker. The ticker only ever showed, like, 4-5 drivers at once, and it was constantly shifting the names around, so I had 0 clue who was where, and if I missed a driver I wanted to note, I was SoL until I paid too much attention to the ticker as it cycled back, and not on the track. With the tower, I know where way more drivers are (though outside the top-15 feels like it takes forever to switch). I agree it takes up a lot of space on-screen, but it can be reworked to look better
Thank you for making this. You’re 100% right. You also pointed out other issues Fox NASCAR has that I never noticed. I put all blame on executive producer director Artie Kempner. He has been there too long for fresh ideas and constructive criticism on their broadcast. He stated on DBC he does not listen to fan input on any social media.
You missed FOX's 2nd favorite thing after commercials...fan shots. No one watching a race wants to see a lead change or a tight battle, we want to watch a fan in the stands watch what we can't see.
Great video, man. One of the best videos I've seen about the broadcasts - the way you used the clips to provide evidence of some of the smaller details was great. Had no idea about the difference in feed quality with Fox and NBC. Appreciated your optimism about the new TV deal too.
Well done sir, I’ve been screaming about the awful color balance of the recent FOX broadcasts. It’s been very noticeable in my opinion but I typically get nothing but shoulder shrugs whenever I mention it. Thank-you!
As someone that grew up watching nascar on fox in the early 2000s, you reminding me of stuff like "crank it up" unlocked so many memories I hadn't thought of in about a decade or more. Fell out of touch with nascar after cutting the cable in the early twenty-teens, and I'm slowly coming back nowadays.
They need to fix their audio. The coke 600 has what sounded like metal being dragged over a chalkboard the whole race. This sound pops up often in other races too.
I really love the chemistry of the fox guys at the moment, with more time itll get better. Kevin is a fantastic addition imo and for a first year its working well
Alan bestwick was the commentator at the track at Indy this year. He is still the best one not named joy. I really hope someone picks him up next year because he really deserves to anchor a broadcast.
Growing up with ESPN speedworld I never liked Fox’s coverage. But around 2017 it started to be almost unwatchable. I don’t know how a new fan could watch a race a tv and think it was worth their time.
Immediately after the commercial rant, video broke to a commercial!! Great video! I agree that the broadcasts are borderline boring anymore. Great job!!
As a broadcast director (in hockey, not Motorsport) this was a great watch and look into the world of broadcast. Thanks for taking a peak behind the scenes and congrats on graduating from film school!
In the era of streaming packages I really loathe having to watch NASCAR on Fox. Most other major motorsports offer some type of streaming option to watch commercial free. But your point about the cameras is totally on point. They have missed so many incidents on track by cutting to commercials. FFS, just cut to commercial when a yellow comes out. I'm so tired of watching stage break laps under yellow on FOX. I'm just about ready to stop watching races live and just watch the NASCAR TH-cam the next day because I despise Fox's broadcast so much.
i cant get over how much we appreciate you making such great videos for the Nascar fanbase. Also I've definitely noticed the color differences on broadcasts. I'm always saying "it was defiantly that gritty when i was there too" as a joke when re watching races I've been to.
Thank you for putting your music credits in the description. It bothers me so much when TH-camrs will play some banger song, then not cite the work they stole, so I can never find said song again.
I couldn't even make it through the Daytona 500 this year with all of the ad breaks. Thank God for NASCAR uploading races to TH-cam that make it more enjoyable
Severe weather covered the whole screen for the first stage and a half, so I was stuck watching the Indy 500, which had side by side for the severe weather. I watched half a stage and then it rained
Also, FOX treats Nascar races like they are a comedy show, not a sporting event. The cartoon characters of the drivers are ridiculous. And they force Michael Waltrip & Clint Bowyer to act like jackasses on Sunday. Listen to them during a qualifying session. They can be good analysts. They even had Bob Pockrass acting like a drunken fool in one of their skits last year!
I work as technical director in broadcasting in Brazil and I have to say that what I fear is going on is that, as Nascar Productions taking over, things like what you said are going to be even worse and FOX is just the first to take the hit. Soon the networks will not be the responsible for the audio nd coming from the track, besides their booth talent. And I'm pretty sure Nascar Productions is not up to the task yet. They are trying to increase the number of remote productions and when you do that, your product on the air will suffer. Even Formula 1 can't do it perfectly. The race at Imola was full of mistakes. I'm not very optimistic about the future of Nascar on TV. And you guys at the US don't even have to deal with the terrible international feed, with even more technical mistakes.
This is exactly why you should be excited for Prime and TNT, and even more so especially if Jr. has a say in the creative direction and production for the broadcast. And if they manage to get Bestwick to do the play by play I’ll be sold on it even more.
One of the tipping points for me was last year at North Wilkesboro. Clint wanted the on board camera to stay a bit longer so you could hear a specific throttle pattern or something. Instead they immediately cut away and you can hear Clint chuck his pen in frustration. Perhaps the commentators need to take notes from F1 on how to keep excitement during times of little to no passing. Apparently their broadcasts just lose their minds whenever there's a pass.
My first race was Talladega last month. I was absolutely mind-blown how the cars sounded! They sound absolutely beautiful and tv does absolutely nothing for them
4:00 NBC and Fox use the same exact cameras. They both use Game Creek Videos “Peacock One”. Fox calles it “Cleetus One”. Both use the same grass valley switcher and Sony hdc4300/5500 cameras with canon lenses.
The original coverage was better. FOX sports was great then. The telecasts were well-directed and the moving ticker was easy to follow. I don't know why they changed to be so bland. Then they started the cartoon graphics. But the biggest issue is the camera work! What used to be cutting edge isn't cutting the mustard. Need to get that direction.
RE:- Color commentators. From what I've seen on the Xfinity coverage, once they retire from driving, Brad Keselowski & Joey Logano will make a GREAT commentary team. Until then, IDK who could do the job better than what we've got. Maybe Tony Stewart, but he has other interests taking up his time...
8:56 Back in MY day, theyd show the race in a little box at the corner, and if something major happened they could come back from commercial early and finish them when there was a pause/after explaining what happened/whatever. I actually really liked that as a compromise, it was small enough on the screen that you really couldn't NOT see the ad, so the advertising money still comes in, and the fans aren't left completely in the dark during the increasingly longer ad breaks. For SOME reason Ive noticed that way less than when I was a kid in the mid 2000s...
I can't help but think back to how FOX covered Kyle Larson's Talladega flip in 2019. That was the first time I felt like the FOX broadcast was being managed by aliens who didn't understand what racing was or how to cover it. Yes, the main cameras infamously focused on the leaders instead of the crash, but the broadcast didn't even show all the footage and angles they DID have; there was some footage that didn't get shown until that week's Radioactive segment. Add to that a general tone in the postrace that felt like it wanted to hurry past both a super popular Chase Elliott win and, you know, one of the biggest wrecks of the year, and FOX came across like they didn't know what they even WANTED to be doing with their coverage. Or, as you put it, "they just fundamentally don't understand what people want to see".
Back in the early 2000s was the only time I welcomed a rain delay because you never knew what The Fox crew was gonna do. I loved when they'd give Kenny Wallace the mic and see how long he could ramble. Or the Epic breaking into the Hollywood Hotel with Super Soakers.
You know, You Tube went to a commercial while you were talking about commercials.😂 Anyway, I didn't mind DW...until he started that "BOOGITY...." (can't even finish it), but the rest of his work was fine. Glad you mentioned the "voice" aspect of it. Mike Joy is about the only one I like to listen too. The all driver broadcast? Worst races to listen to all year. As far as the broadcasts in 2025 goes, I won't be signing up to Prime to watch NASCAR, or any other streaming service, so I hope there'll be simulcasting or I'll be free to do other things next year. But that's ok, I'll be 72 by then I need to get out more anyway.
I'm surprised Fox's obsession with cutting to the fans wasn't brought up. I'm glad that though that you seem cool with Fox's new graphics; like... aside from the aforementioned fuck-ups like with the 98th gear shit, I feel like I'm the only one who thinks that their graphics actually look cool and stylish. Not so much the graphic-novel-esque driver pics, but more the ticker with the bold numbers and the font choice and such; I think THAT looks cool.
Regarding the adverts: This is probably mostly an issue of my European brain which has grown fat and lazy watching races without commercials. But ad breaks, even with the side-by-side split, play havoc with my ability to comprehend what is going on. Indycar, IMSA, NASCAR - all of it is a struggle to watch because by the time coming back from adverts my brain has caught up to the race then the next advert spot begins! Honestly, with hockey they can just work adverts into play - it works fine. But for racing it really doesn't work imo.
Something that's quite fitting for the video subject, youtube's ads are kinda broken rn so I had to sit through at least 5 (refreshing the page because once they end, they break the video) to finally get it without ads.
minor correction: the first full race broadcast was the 1971 greenville 200 at greenville pickens speedway, a track which is now languishing under the apathetic ownership of kevin whitaker
Give NBC The ENTIRE NASCAR Cup Series, And Give TNT The ENTIRE NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series Rather Than FOX/FS1 Since The CW is Ready To Cover The ENTIRE NASCAR Xfinity Series.
As a kid in the early 2000s I would have agreed Nascar on Fox was the best. But now as an adult who from time to time puts on old races from my childhood, NBC was definitely better even then on rewatches. Love DW, but he was no Benny Parsons, match him with Wally and Bestwick, and man those races are magic to rewatch. Thats not saying Fox was bad, they were just both really good broadcasting teams in Nascars best era.
It amazes me that in an age where people are slapping cameras onto ANYTHING that FOX has somehow gone violently downhill with camera work. The amount of shots they have missed since _a certain global event_ is rather alarming.
As a wise man once said: “Fox would have missed the plane hitting the second tower”
I forgor about that lmao
I hate how clever this is
Who said that!? It's amazing
@bennybenito3647 m.th-cam.com/video/8VtNOxvgvp8/w-d-xo.html 29:39
Even if they did, they won't come through the other side, in one piece and alive.
In the words of Kevin Harvick, “Yeet.”
"That's pretty sus" - Clint "Upside down and on fire" Bowyer
I feel like the director said to Kevin before his first race: "You have to say 'lit' at least once during the broadcast or you're fired..
...(Oh my god he actually did it, lol!)"
“No cappin’ Mike”
@@pokeboi5438this was my favorite one. It killed me, but the best part was 15 seconds after, right before they went to commercial break and Mike flawlessly inserted "no cap" at the end of his sentence.
Harvick literally became Jey Uso because he said yeet.
The current state of FOX coverage is quite the kerfuffle.
Quite the WHAT?!?
Causing a Commotion @@noahcoleman5556
Quite the WHAT?
It is not lit
@@tritontransportyou mean "flustercuck?"
9:11 I just got a fucking ad after this
Same
I think it’s placed there
Same lmfao
Same LMAO
Same.
Lol same
"Grown men playing with balls"
"Grown men playing with sticks"
"Grown men hitting their balls with a stick"
These are some very _straight_ forward explanations 😁
i know all those things all too well 😈
And a good way to annoy the people who say NASCAR is just "cars turning left"
Ouch
You're going to see something on Fox you have never seen before. A race on Fox instead of FS1.....
Grown men kicking with balls
Grown men playing with metal sticks
Grown men eating fast food
JJ Yeley: 2009 F1 World Champion.
You saying that here implies it is wrong.
And 123 time 24 Hours of Le Mans champion
@@Herringbone0920 cus it is
Jenson Button is the champ of F1 2009
@@LowtusMobnah bro Yeley is an f1 icon
9:19 THIS MAN DID THE GRIDDY ON STAGE WHILE GETTING HIS DIPLOMA, WHAT A KING
Going from Indy 500 NBC coverage to the Coke 600 on Fox coverage was like getting hit with a flashbang, like I knew Fox was bad but THIS BAD????
As an IndyCar fan, I have a lot of criticisms about the current state of our series, but TV coverage isn't one of them. We get excellent NBC coverage all season long.
@@oldred9122aside from too much of the sport being relegated to Peacock. I hope in the future they can at least put qualifying back on tv
@@psychlops924 I agree, I'd like more racing on TV, but if they're going to put IndyCar on streaming, at least it is all on one streaming service, unlike NASCAR.
@@oldred9122I'm curious about what are your criticisms of Formula Indy.
NBC indycar coverage is awful, so many damn ads during the actual racing.
The only thing I would want from NASCAR is to do the F1 TV approach, where NASCAR would control the broadcast, making it more uniform, and commentators alongside with the TV ones. Also, no ads during racing, as I've grown quite tired of having what feels like less than 1 minute of action and then back to a commercial break.
That would require NASCAR have the budget to do it
Where I live in the UK we have laws that stop TV networks from showing ads during in-progress sports events, I'm surprised that many countries don't.
@@NoContextVideosChannel bruh all America is pretty much ads
Also tbh if there's a caution, nothing much is happening outside of cars circling behind the safety car on maybe 40mph for few laps until the pitlane opens so switching to commercials at that time is justified.
What I would like to see though is more side-by-side view during green flag runs on regular basis, if not every race. That way TV broadcasters can run ads while still allowing fans to watch the race as it happens at the same time.
You just couldn't not show ads on American-based sports because it's the culture of America and capitalism as a whole, for better or worse.
@DannyPlaysStuff But with other American sports, it is alot easier to take breaks where it doesn't interrupt the viewers experience of the game. MLB you can take breaks between innings, NFL during timeouts, after points are scored, after punts, etc.
Nascar already has stage cautions built in, it isn't that hard to have the adverts placed there. Also couldn't they have the split view adverts where the advert takes up most of the screen with a small inset showing the race still so atleast if they are going to show adverts during the race, people don't miss everything that's going on?
Fox doesn't care. I feel like the more we criticize them the worse they make their broadcast.
At this point, the only way to get the message across is to not watch it. Let the ratings plumate & then they'll get the message.
@@number1musichater430bingo. Their metric is views, whether you love it, hate it, love to hate watch it, it’s all positive for them.
None of the networks care. Sad thing is Fox still has the most incentive to care because they're carrying the races not competing with football.
The end of the IndyCar on ABC era was the same way. Coverage was HORRIBLE, they only ever showed the front of the race. The commentary from Eddie Cheever and Scott Goodyear was beyond boring. It was very clear that ABC just did not care. That's why I hope NBC gets another IndyCar contract, because their coverage of the Indianapolis 500 is the best it's ever been IMHO.
"Imagine if for every 2 minutes of my videos you got a minute long ad, It shouldnt be like that and wont be like that, and the same should be said for tv- " *cuts to ad*
FOX just won an award for their sound crew
Absolutely comical because I've been trashing their way of sounds have been for YEARS.
@@AutoRockinRacing94Just look at a comparison between FOX and NBC. FOX makes the cars sound like they're being recorded through a bomb shelter.
How?!
Shut up, no way, LMAOOO
"It's just cars turning left"
"It's just guys playing with a brown ball"
Comeback unlocked
If only I had that one back in elementary & middle school. I was the only kid in my school who liked motorsports.
My dad and I always laugh at Fox’s obsession with showing kids in the crowd
drake is behind that camera i swear lmfao
@@Kablooey81 no its Joseph Lombard and Jared Fogle
@@NotMattyDYT LOL
Didn't know Dan Schneider and Drake were running FOX
@@milogunther5024 💀
In Geico 500 at Talladega 2024, FOX always get too many commercials, miss the wreck, and cameraman miss a footage of Corey Lajoie flip
I watched it too. I feel your pain.
You’re point on advertisements was interesting because here in the UK showing ads during a live sporting event it’s very forbidden, for UK indycar they go to an entire different commentator while the main us ones cut to ads.
ITV showed mid-race ads when they had F1, so it has happened. And on Sky you sometimes get ads during a cricket game, albeit they tend to pop up between wickets.
Another thing Fox needs to stop doing is showing the fans & kids as much as they do.
Yes, it's creepy.
@@GrandpaShark I can understand going to commercial while under caution, fine.
But when they try to show kids like 5 times a race & make it seem like that they're more important, that's the issue.
@@number1musichater430every sport has its fan shots, a 4th quarter football shot of fans in disbelief as they probably just lost the game, fans losing their minds after a stunning dunk in basketball.
But these moments happen when the action isnt. For Nascar, show the fans getting out of the seats when the cars are rounding turn 4 heading for a restart, not when the battle is actually happening.
I’ve said this for a long long time
FOX treats the fans like kids watching NASCAR for the first time
NBC treats not only the sport seriously but the fans seriously and they seem to actually care about NASCAR
FOX just seems they don’t want to cover it
Michael Mrucz’s NBC vs. FOX perfectly depicted the state of NASCAR coverage
NBC: WE GOTA A BATTLE!
Fox: …
NBC: No one’s passing, but this is exciting!
Fox: …
NBC: *excitement noises*
Fox: …
NBC: I provide actual commentary! Why is that wall concrete?
Fox: … and now a word from Duracell
I personally think it's nothing to do with the reporters. Regan Smith and Jamie Little are doing excellent in the pits, and Mike (The legend), Kevin (A much better Jeff Gordon), Clint (Who is really improving), Larry (A neat cameo now and then) and Adam (A great voice in the Xfinity Series) are doing well in the booth. Everything else, I absolutely agree.
Remember when FOX was the Top Dog in NASCAR Broadcasts ? Now they're going Down the Shitter since 2015
I just want ONE place where I can tune into every Sunday to see each race through out the season. Indy has it, WRC has it, F1 has it but unfortunately for NASCAR I have to have 4 different packages to catch the entire season. Unless I’m mistaken that’s a huge bummer and I hope they do something about it. Great video el
Insane how some random local modified races on FloRacing can have better quality broadcasts than NASCAR on Fox
The ad at 9:15 after having JUST spoke on an hour+ ads during the Talladega race, Priceless! Hahahaha
The Worst example of FOX's ineptitude was in the 2019 NASCAR Hall of Fame 200 at Martinsville for the Truck Series at Martinsville where the Camera just cut off on the final restart and only showed the FS1 Logo with muffled audio of the broadcast and then cut back to show Race Winner Todd Gilliland doing burnouts for a few seconds and then Cut away AGAIN to a College Football Game
And of course I would also mention the 2022 Truck Race at Knoxville but that may be too much to take in
Im okay with that. Bad stuff happens in live broadcasts. Sure, you want to minimize them, handle them gracefully, but just simply having a technical issue? Fine.
My problem with Fox isnt the errors, its the everyday quality of the broadcasts. When you are coming in to the GEICO restart zone, the most exciting moment of the sport, and then they cut away to a kid in the stands until the cars are past the start finish line. Every restart. Every race. That isnt a one off glitch, its not a missed shot of an unpredictable aspect of the sport, like a wreck or a fight, no. It's a terrible, intentional, production policy on the most predictable and exciting aspect of the sport.
Im never gonna be able to unsee the damn graying of the 2023 season. Thanks for that
The beginning era for NASCAR on Fox (Mike Joy, DW, and Larry Mac) was the tail end of an extraordinary era of sports, and motorsports, broadcasting.
LMAO I got an ad after the 9:04 segment 💀💀💀💀
Creators can choose when ads show up. I suspect he did it deliberately.
15:52 I REALLLLLYY miss the FPV drone for the burnouts
I just wish they'd go back to the scrolling ticker they had in the early 00s. It was so aesthetically pleasing and perfect for a sport that's constantly in motion.
I might be in the minority, but I honestly prefer the tower over the ticker. The ticker only ever showed, like, 4-5 drivers at once, and it was constantly shifting the names around, so I had 0 clue who was where, and if I missed a driver I wanted to note, I was SoL until I paid too much attention to the ticker as it cycled back, and not on the track. With the tower, I know where way more drivers are (though outside the top-15 feels like it takes forever to switch). I agree it takes up a lot of space on-screen, but it can be reworked to look better
I wish for commercials they would ALWAYS use side by side
9:35 So THATS where Turn 10 got their inspiration from for the color palette of the new Forza Motorsport 😂😂
Thank you for making this. You’re 100% right. You also pointed out other issues Fox NASCAR has that I never noticed. I put all blame on executive producer director Artie Kempner. He has been there too long for fresh ideas and constructive criticism on their broadcast. He stated on DBC he does not listen to fan input on any social media.
You missed FOX's 2nd favorite thing after commercials...fan shots. No one watching a race wants to see a lead change or a tight battle, we want to watch a fan in the stands watch what we can't see.
I totally agree with everything you said....there's way 2 many damn commercials.....it's sickening
Great video, man. One of the best videos I've seen about the broadcasts - the way you used the clips to provide evidence of some of the smaller details was great. Had no idea about the difference in feed quality with Fox and NBC. Appreciated your optimism about the new TV deal too.
Well done sir, I’ve been screaming about the awful color balance of the recent FOX broadcasts. It’s been very noticeable in my opinion but I typically get nothing but shoulder shrugs whenever I mention it. Thank-you!
This is the most positive take I’ve ever heard of Bowyer commentating and I appreciate it lol
There was also that one Knoxville Truck Race when they missed an entire flip
As someone that grew up watching nascar on fox in the early 2000s, you reminding me of stuff like "crank it up" unlocked so many memories I hadn't thought of in about a decade or more.
Fell out of touch with nascar after cutting the cable in the early twenty-teens, and I'm slowly coming back nowadays.
They need to fix their audio. The coke 600 has what sounded like metal being dragged over a chalkboard the whole race. This sound pops up often in other races too.
I really love the chemistry of the fox guys at the moment, with more time itll get better. Kevin is a fantastic addition imo and for a first year its working well
Alan bestwick was the commentator at the track at Indy this year. He is still the best one not named joy. I really hope someone picks him up next year because he really deserves to anchor a broadcast.
Mike Joy is highly overrated! I’ll never understand the praise he gets.
“And unless youtube goes off the deep end, or i get into some serious gambling debt, you should have to.”
**immediately cuts to ad**
I miss the Speed channel.
uploaded just in time to watch with my breakfast
Growing up with ESPN speedworld I never liked Fox’s coverage. But around 2017 it started to be almost unwatchable. I don’t know how a new fan could watch a race a tv and think it was worth their time.
14:13 well thank goodness he's not a play-by-play guy, he's a color guy. Him just giving reactions to what he is seeing is his job.
Immediately after the commercial rant, video broke to a commercial!!
Great video! I agree that the broadcasts are borderline boring
anymore. Great job!!
As a broadcast director (in hockey, not Motorsport) this was a great watch and look into the world of broadcast. Thanks for taking a peak behind the scenes and congrats on graduating from film school!
“The nbc booth might talk at about 500hz higher” man I spit out my tea everywhere lol
7:34 I was EATING!!!
😭 why Connor, why
This is what your food sees!
@@MrTakaMOSHilol
In the era of streaming packages I really loathe having to watch NASCAR on Fox. Most other major motorsports offer some type of streaming option to watch commercial free.
But your point about the cameras is totally on point. They have missed so many incidents on track by cutting to commercials. FFS, just cut to commercial when a yellow comes out. I'm so tired of watching stage break laps under yellow on FOX. I'm just about ready to stop watching races live and just watch the NASCAR TH-cam the next day because I despise Fox's broadcast so much.
Dude this video is >>>
So true, so hilarious, and much needed. Thank you so much for this thorough content
i cant get over how much we appreciate you making such great videos for the Nascar fanbase. Also I've definitely noticed the color differences on broadcasts. I'm always saying "it was defiantly that gritty when i was there too" as a joke when re watching races I've been to.
Thank you for putting your music credits in the description. It bothers me so much when TH-camrs will play some banger song, then not cite the work they stole, so I can never find said song again.
I couldn't even make it through the Daytona 500 this year with all of the ad breaks. Thank God for NASCAR uploading races to TH-cam that make it more enjoyable
i will give FOX credit for getting Harvick, yea hes a bit rough but you cant deny that having his knowledge of this car is great for the booth!
THANK YOU MAN! Fox broadcasting is so terrible man. They miss EVERYTHING.
I always enjoyed DW, plus a fella like him, who is a Legend of the sport, it's vital to have old school people like him around to give his views.
MY FIRST COKE 600 WAS RUINED BY FOX SPORTS 🥺🥺
Didn’t mean to reply, whoos
SAME
I’m glad the only nascar races I’ve attended (minus Trucks in Canada) have all been NBC races
Severe weather covered the whole screen for the first stage and a half, so I was stuck watching the Indy 500, which had side by side for the severe weather. I watched half a stage and then it rained
Lmfao, you don't actually think Fox is the only reason why the race was canceled, do you?
Also, FOX treats Nascar races like they are a comedy show, not a sporting event. The cartoon characters of the drivers are ridiculous. And they force Michael Waltrip & Clint Bowyer to act like jackasses on Sunday. Listen to them during a qualifying session. They can be good analysts. They even had Bob Pockrass acting like a drunken fool in one of their skits last year!
you wanna scare a NASCAR fan? tell ‘em the race has been moved to FS2
5:58 you can tell how hard he was trying not to laugh here😂😂😂
EDIT: 9:07 this really aged well
I work as technical director in broadcasting in Brazil and I have to say that what I fear is going on is that, as Nascar Productions taking over, things like what you said are going to be even worse and FOX is just the first to take the hit. Soon the networks will not be the responsible for the audio nd coming from the track, besides their booth talent. And I'm pretty sure Nascar Productions is not up to the task yet. They are trying to increase the number of remote productions and when you do that, your product on the air will suffer. Even Formula 1 can't do it perfectly. The race at Imola was full of mistakes. I'm not very optimistic about the future of Nascar on TV. And you guys at the US don't even have to deal with the terrible international feed, with even more technical mistakes.
This is exactly why you should be excited for Prime and TNT, and even more so especially if Jr. has a say in the creative direction and production for the broadcast. And if they manage to get Bestwick to do the play by play I’ll be sold on it even more.
The fact that TH-cam went to commercial immediately once you went on your commercial rant was hilarious!
I noticed the same thing😂😂
Great essay my dude :3 Fair, balanced, and really good observation on the camera color balancing!
also 8:49 i literally thought you were gonna say ‘random shots of children’
One of the tipping points for me was last year at North Wilkesboro. Clint wanted the on board camera to stay a bit longer so you could hear a specific throttle pattern or something. Instead they immediately cut away and you can hear Clint chuck his pen in frustration. Perhaps the commentators need to take notes from F1 on how to keep excitement during times of little to no passing. Apparently their broadcasts just lose their minds whenever there's a pass.
My first race was Talladega last month. I was absolutely mind-blown how the cars sounded! They sound absolutely beautiful and tv does absolutely nothing for them
I didn't think about the possibility of Alan Bestwick being on TNT. That would be incredible
4:00 NBC and Fox use the same exact cameras. They both use Game Creek Videos “Peacock One”. Fox calles it “Cleetus One”. Both use the same grass valley switcher and Sony hdc4300/5500 cameras with canon lenses.
That's cool that you know this stuff, where'd you find this information?
Worked for game creek.
The original coverage was better. FOX sports was great then. The telecasts were well-directed and the moving ticker was easy to follow. I don't know why they changed to be so bland. Then they started the cartoon graphics. But the biggest issue is the camera work! What used to be cutting edge isn't cutting the mustard. Need to get that direction.
RE:- Color commentators. From what I've seen on the Xfinity coverage, once they retire from driving, Brad Keselowski & Joey Logano will make a GREAT commentary team. Until then, IDK who could do the job better than what we've got. Maybe Tony Stewart, but he has other interests taking up his time...
Nascar on Fox was good in the early 2000s, but I always like Allen Bestwick and BP. Bestwick and Joy would be the best broadcast duo
There was a dirt race in the trucks that saw a truck ROLL during commercials. They never caught it live, replayed it, or mentioned it.
And Marcus Lemonis didn't renew the Camping World sponsorship of the Truck Series because of it.
N.Wilkesboro is truly amazing in person and 100k at Charlotte was magical! Love living in NC during May.
8:56 Back in MY day, theyd show the race in a little box at the corner, and if something major happened they could come back from commercial early and finish them when there was a pause/after explaining what happened/whatever.
I actually really liked that as a compromise, it was small enough on the screen that you really couldn't NOT see the ad, so the advertising money still comes in, and the fans aren't left completely in the dark during the increasingly longer ad breaks.
For SOME reason Ive noticed that way less than when I was a kid in the mid 2000s...
Dude, as you were talking about you having a TH-cam ad of yourself, I actually had an ad pop up on my end too 😆😆
I can't help but think back to how FOX covered Kyle Larson's Talladega flip in 2019. That was the first time I felt like the FOX broadcast was being managed by aliens who didn't understand what racing was or how to cover it. Yes, the main cameras infamously focused on the leaders instead of the crash, but the broadcast didn't even show all the footage and angles they DID have; there was some footage that didn't get shown until that week's Radioactive segment. Add to that a general tone in the postrace that felt like it wanted to hurry past both a super popular Chase Elliott win and, you know, one of the biggest wrecks of the year, and FOX came across like they didn't know what they even WANTED to be doing with their coverage. Or, as you put it, "they just fundamentally don't understand what people want to see".
Back in the early 2000s was the only time I welcomed a rain delay because you never knew what The Fox crew was gonna do. I loved when they'd give Kenny Wallace the mic and see how long he could ramble. Or the Epic breaking into the Hollywood Hotel with Super Soakers.
Hollywood hotel is a core memory
Congrats on getting your degree man!!! Can’t wait to see how you’ll use it to evolve the channel!
You know, You Tube went to a commercial while you were talking about commercials.😂 Anyway, I didn't mind DW...until he started that "BOOGITY...." (can't even finish it), but the rest of his work was fine. Glad you mentioned the "voice" aspect of it. Mike Joy is about the only one I like to listen too. The all driver broadcast? Worst races to listen to all year. As far as the broadcasts in 2025 goes, I won't be signing up to Prime to watch NASCAR, or any other streaming service, so I hope there'll be simulcasting or I'll be free to do other things next year. But that's ok, I'll be 72 by then I need to get out more anyway.
Oh thank god, I thought I was the only one who noticed the faded colours on the 2023 Fox broadcasts
7:23 I laughed way harder at this than I should have
I'm surprised Fox's obsession with cutting to the fans wasn't brought up.
I'm glad that though that you seem cool with Fox's new graphics; like... aside from the aforementioned fuck-ups like with the 98th gear shit, I feel like I'm the only one who thinks that their graphics actually look cool and stylish. Not so much the graphic-novel-esque driver pics, but more the ticker with the bold numbers and the font choice and such; I think THAT looks cool.
Regarding the adverts: This is probably mostly an issue of my European brain which has grown fat and lazy watching races without commercials. But ad breaks, even with the side-by-side split, play havoc with my ability to comprehend what is going on. Indycar, IMSA, NASCAR - all of it is a struggle to watch because by the time coming back from adverts my brain has caught up to the race then the next advert spot begins!
Honestly, with hockey they can just work adverts into play - it works fine. But for racing it really doesn't work imo.
Nice work. Especially that Perfect Dark music at 15:30 ❤
Lmaooo i got an ad at 9:15 right after u talked about ads
Something that's quite fitting for the video subject, youtube's ads are kinda broken rn so I had to sit through at least 5 (refreshing the page because once they end, they break the video) to finally get it without ads.
minor correction: the first full race broadcast was the 1971 greenville 200 at greenville pickens speedway, a track which is now languishing under the apathetic ownership of kevin whitaker
Don't forget about the 'Daytona Day' ad.
You do such great work! Thank you. So professional, informative and always entertaining.
Keep it going. And, please, more More MORE. 😊
Give NBC The ENTIRE NASCAR Cup Series, And Give TNT The ENTIRE NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series Rather Than FOX/FS1 Since The CW is Ready To Cover The ENTIRE NASCAR Xfinity Series.
As a kid in the early 2000s I would have agreed Nascar on Fox was the best. But now as an adult who from time to time puts on old races from my childhood, NBC was definitely better even then on rewatches. Love DW, but he was no Benny Parsons, match him with Wally and Bestwick, and man those races are magic to rewatch. Thats not saying Fox was bad, they were just both really good broadcasting teams in Nascars best era.
It amazes me that in an age where people are slapping cameras onto ANYTHING that FOX has somehow gone violently downhill with camera work. The amount of shots they have missed since _a certain global event_ is rather alarming.
Quick someone teach Harvick Neet, just tell him it's the nudge equivalent of Yeet
I can't believe "you don't even know what yeeted is" was a line said on a live broadcast
At least they got that Hollywood sign live. You know it could have blown over right at that moment.