Who is the most AVERAGE driver in F1 history?

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  • @Lappali
    @Lappali หลายเดือนก่อน +3110

    funny thing is, Ericsson won the Indy 500 in 2022
    you can't escape the Indy 500

    • @simonelimido1203
      @simonelimido1203 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      I wanted to write it too but you beat me to it🤣

    • @clkgtr1998
      @clkgtr1998 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      r/beatmetoit

    • @danielcooke9668
      @danielcooke9668 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

      also Tarquini (pronouned Tar-kweeni) is a multiple world touring car champion. All the average F1 drivers are chamions elsewhere. Pretty crazy to think thata how competative it is at the top.

    • @simonz5905
      @simonz5905 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Yep! From the screenshot at 15:23, the name Mark Blundell sound much more average

  • @CarterRowe
    @CarterRowe หลายเดือนก่อน +2184

    Being able to say that the most average F1 is an Indy 500 winner is deeply funny.

    • @Ryzard
      @Ryzard หลายเดือนก่อน +106

      Don't worry, he's mid in Indycar too.

    • @Robalexe
      @Robalexe หลายเดือนก่อน +121

      That's the only thing of note Ericsson's done in IndyCar. 99% of the time he's mid

    • @Slades_Garage
      @Slades_Garage หลายเดือนก่อน +51

      F1 elitists will try to use this to discredit indycar more

    • @Teito687
      @Teito687 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      Aside from that win. He’s been mid throughout all his seasons despite being in top teams.

    • @nuckels188
      @nuckels188 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      1 race, on an oval =/= indycar champ
      Good luck/timing has more of an effect on ovals sometimes too

  • @joshkirkby8103
    @joshkirkby8103 หลายเดือนก่อน +810

    So when grosjean’s engineer said I think Ericsson hit us, he was really just referring to any F1 driver. It all makes sense now

    • @RDGamer321
      @RDGamer321 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      I think a driver hit us.

    • @AFox-qc4kh
      @AFox-qc4kh 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Well it kinda still doesn't because nobody hit him. Saying Ericsson was just as wrong as any other driver. Still funny though

    • @mutleyomuttlesson2799
      @mutleyomuttlesson2799 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The average driver did not hit him. Median or mean.

    • @_ArseneR
      @_ArseneR 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      😂

  • @didiervanleeuwen
    @didiervanleeuwen หลายเดือนก่อน +1877

    How ironic that the most MID driver since 1994 is an Indianapolis 500 winner...

    • @3xoticG4m3r
      @3xoticG4m3r 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Since 1950 you mean

    • @OK-fi4yq
      @OK-fi4yq 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Indy is contested predominantly by drivers who aren't close to being good enough for F1 so it's not a crazy stat in reality

    • @spelunkyboy
      @spelunkyboy 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It's not ironic, considering the mid pack drivers usually join some other division and win something - Le Mans etc.

    • @sidneyshore5621
      @sidneyshore5621 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@OK-fi4yq Just not true. Marcus got a couple wins as he bagged a ride at a great team, but he’s pretty mid in indycar too. For some reason, though, he’s pretty fast at Indianapolis. If you’re gonna have one track that fits your driving style, it might as well be the most famous one in the world

    • @OK-fi4yq
      @OK-fi4yq 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@sidneyshore5621 list the drivers good enough for F1...

  • @Einveldi
    @Einveldi หลายเดือนก่อน +1450

    What would Marcus Ericsson do?
    Well, he'd go and win the Indy 500 to un-mid himself, wouldn't he...

    • @groggywater2006
      @groggywater2006 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Thanks for the spoiler

    • @janakumer
      @janakumer หลายเดือนก่อน +47

      I think he would have hit Grosjean

    • @ForzaPolska06
      @ForzaPolska06 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      He is still fairly mid though
      Not really amazing over a season despite good machinery
      But that 500 win will be on his record forever

    • @TomBlu16
      @TomBlu16 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @@ForzaPolska06 Lets just say he was an extremely mid F1 driver. Not necessarily an extremely mid MOTORSPORT driver in general, as he's actually pretty good in Indy.

    • @RoysIdea
      @RoysIdea หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@TomBlu16or are you saying that on average good Indy car drivers are actually quite average F1 drivers? 😮😮😮

  • @uniqai_xd
    @uniqai_xd หลายเดือนก่อน +949

    Jos Verstappen being somewhat in contention for most mid driver is hilarious in it's own right.

    • @Duval-In-The-Wall
      @Duval-In-The-Wall หลายเดือนก่อน +120

      He had by far the longest “mid” career, spanning 10 years, which is mad

    • @MrBlueBurd0451
      @MrBlueBurd0451 หลายเดือนก่อน +86

      @@Duval-In-The-Wall Which is still funny because Jos' mid-ness is pretty much the result of 'always overshadowed by a better teammate'. The one time Jos had the machinery needed to kick ass and take names his teammate was a relatively unknown German by the name of... *Michael Schumacher*. After that his career just always spiralled downward because every time he got a car it was either worse than his previous car, or his teammate was as good if not better than him.

    • @Frank-su5me
      @Frank-su5me หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      ​@@MrBlueBurd0451 completely wrong. Verstappen was no match for Schumacher obviously but he also didn't have the same equipment. He faired well against pretty much every other team mate he had (other than half a season against Barrichello). But I suppose it's easy to beat up on Jos Verstappen right 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

    • @erwinr9328
      @erwinr9328 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      ​@@MrBlueBurd0451 Tbh Jos did pretty great after Michael Schumacher. The only ones that even were a bit of a match were Rubens, De La Rosa and occasionally Bernoldi.

    • @satagaming9144
      @satagaming9144 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      Don't worry, I'm sure he didn't take it out on his son

  • @CrashperM
    @CrashperM หลายเดือนก่อน +491

    We back spreadsheeting. Very nice.

    • @B0SSBL0CK_12
      @B0SSBL0CK_12 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Toto, its called Nerdiness, we went Spreadsheeting

  • @janTasita
    @janTasita 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +99

    I love how all of the most average drivers here had success in other disciplines, Pirro at Le Mans and Cecotto on bikes as you mentioned, but also Ericsson an Indy 500 winner and Tarquini a BTCC champion - maybe the most average F1 career is to come in with a lot of talent, never get an opportunity in a top team, and then find somewhere else where you can actually prove yourself.

    • @frankiemouse992
      @frankiemouse992 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

      Exactly, I love this conclusion: an average F1 driver is a top-tier race car driver.
      Tarquini is not just a BTCC winner, he won ETCC, WTCC and WTCR championships as well, the last one in 2018, at 56 years of age, he raced touring cars until 59!

    • @arnaudj.5314
      @arnaudj.5314 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

      Also in the final graph, you see Piquet Jr and Vandoorne became Formula E champions

    • @AnnoLP
      @AnnoLP 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      I mean really makes sense, if you are just average in the top of the top of the sport you are still pretty much top everywhere else in the sport.

  • @keegs1996
    @keegs1996 หลายเดือนก่อน +472

    Petition to retroactivly remove the Indy 500 from all Formula 1 statistics

    • @n64p3
      @n64p3 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

      Petition to add the Indy 500 to the official f1 season

    • @torenthe_expert8977
      @torenthe_expert8977 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +46

      Petition to add horse racing to F1 statistics.

    • @n64p3
      @n64p3 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @ really no reason not to. It’s mostly about the horse.

    • @LittleJP34
      @LittleJP34 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@n64p3I would really like that tbh.

  • @BManYT22
    @BManYT22 หลายเดือนก่อน +305

    Mr Avg also won an Indy 500 just to go full circle

    • @Ryzard
      @Ryzard หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Full circle?

    • @MrVsGarage
      @MrVsGarage  หลายเดือนก่อน +193

      It's more like a rectangle but I get you

    • @nonamewhite5992
      @nonamewhite5992 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      Full oval

    • @Secretlyanothername
      @Secretlyanothername หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@MrVsGarage you never go full rectangle

  • @h.salihoden
    @h.salihoden หลายเดือนก่อน +175

    Some other candidates for the MAOAT title: Jos Verstappen, Nelson Piquet Jr.... I guess feeling average leads men to do debatable things

    • @silenthour.
      @silenthour. หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad you picked that up with your most average brain.

    • @notaspeck6104
      @notaspeck6104 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      I don’t think child abuse is debatable 😭

    • @Jason-jb1vs
      @Jason-jb1vs 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      ​@@notaspeck6104well, considering the result......

    • @austynhl9484
      @austynhl9484 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It resulted in someone who won 4 championships? You mean like Seb? Who by all accounts has an incredibly loving father? ​@@Jason-jb1vs

  • @maxfi878
    @maxfi878 หลายเดือนก่อน +137

    So the most average drivers are a motorcycle driver, a Le Mans winner, an Indy 500 winner and the driver with the worst qualifying record... Checks out.

    • @dda40x
      @dda40x 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

      Even Tarquini is a long-time legend in touring cars, with several European and world championship titles (not that anyone actually cares that much about touring car world championships, but still).

    • @AnnoLP
      @AnnoLP 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      I mean average in the top of the top of motorsports makes you top in the top of anything below that.

  • @sebastiansanchezn1650
    @sebastiansanchezn1650 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

    I was betting on Hulk, but Ericsson makes sense.
    That said, the ending sounds like it's something bad, he is better than half of every driver it ever raced in F1, that's a crazy good stat!!
    I'd love to get the list and see which shocking ones are on the lower half of that list!

    • @borandiUK
      @borandiUK หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Hulk has been in the sport a fairly long time, even with the gaps

    • @TheGhoulKhz
      @TheGhoulKhz หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      @@borandiUK also he has 1 pole and a fuckton of points finishes, despite not being able to get a podium even if he drives a W11

    • @MartinLobb
      @MartinLobb 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      well the lower end will be filled with drivers with few races

  • @ROL4NDpkmnguide
    @ROL4NDpkmnguide หลายเดือนก่อน +159

    Could we take a page from baseball stats and create a stat like WAR (wins above replacement) that values how a player is copared to a replacement level rider... Like a stat called VAM (value above markus) that compares every driver's career to erikson's and sees which drives had a career that was a net positive or net negative compared to the most average driver in the last 30 years?

    • @ljoreilly1068
      @ljoreilly1068 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      but war measures against season averages you would have to find the average driver for each season, which would also prob be more representative than the measurements he was using

    • @slaterstimson
      @slaterstimson หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ljoreilly1068also a problem with separating drivers from car performance. Don’t think it’s doable with f1

    • @UV5588
      @UV5588 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It’d be interesting to see how the current grid (and maybe the past 5 yrs or so) stacks up against this, both to determine whether that’s still the case for the majority of drivers and just for funsies
      Be pretty awful for poor Marcus given the importance of the car to literally have an average standard named after him though, it’s pretty crazy to even get in to F1 so getting an avg stamp on your metaphorical forehead is a bit sad lol

  • @mAximUm123451
    @mAximUm123451 หลายเดือนก่อน +185

    Somehow I'm not surprised it is Ericsson

    • @eobenrader7492
      @eobenrader7492 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      My gut said it HAD to be a Sauber driver, I thought Giovinazzi or Ericsson

    • @nestroit5010
      @nestroit5010 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      I think Ericsson hit us.

    • @Wochroch
      @Wochroch หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Wow thank you for ruining the video

    • @lukew6725
      @lukew6725 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      ​@@Wochroch Your own fault for reading comments before you watch. 😂

  • @unknown-fz5mc
    @unknown-fz5mc หลายเดือนก่อน +93

    15:20 oh i like that name jos verstappen looks like his son will have a great career 😂😂

    • @Smugumi-mh7ri
      @Smugumi-mh7ri หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Definitely Jos's son sounds like he could be a multi World Champion

    • @Leppter
      @Leppter หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Supported by Nelson Piquet jr's sister

  • @APasosien
    @APasosien หลายเดือนก่อน +102

    The face of microsft excel right here 😂

  • @arnaudj.5314
    @arnaudj.5314 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Oh man I love it!
    Seeing Marcus Ericsson made giggle as he was definitely a classic backmarker driver. I loved him in F1 and like how he developed after that btw, but he's such a driver that you tend to forgot when you think about who was racing in the seasons he was there.
    I think that title suits him well, and having Piquet Jr, Alguershuari and Stoffel Vandoorne makes it even better because all three of them came to my mind when I first read the video title

  • @Dorasaurus05
    @Dorasaurus05 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    I feel like the amount of self induced crashes and their severity (so no mechanical failures) would make another interesting aspect in this so that we know when to actually call someone crash prone. Loved the video, been watching you for about a year and a half now!

    • @edymiguel4247
      @edymiguel4247 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Logan Sargeant is not amused

    • @robertwilloughby8050
      @robertwilloughby8050 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Dorasaurus05 So car killers like Brambrilla get off scot free? TBF, it's not a bad idea, but remember, car murder is bad!😉

  • @JCCyC
    @JCCyC หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    Peter Brook posted a video of all F1 drivers of all time, ranked by points as if every race had today's scoring. You know one driver who was very very close to the middle of the list? Lella Lombardi. To be exact, she was slightly above the middle. By about 10-20 positions or so.

    • @birandkoray
      @birandkoray 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      not today, he ranked by 2025 point system, where no points given for fl

    • @ThePapaja1996
      @ThePapaja1996 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      So thats why they uppgraded to Ronnie Pettersson.

  • @achyutbharathkumar299
    @achyutbharathkumar299 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    0:19 bro u had the perfect chance to use the 2005 US GP or 2021 US GP there

  • @dda40x
    @dda40x 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    Love the video! If you ever do "most average F1 car", don't forget to include the numbers of wheels it has.

    • @MrVsGarage
      @MrVsGarage  28 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Oh god 😂 I guess I also need to include number of wings, number of brake pedals, number of diamonds embedded in the nose and number of massive fans at the back that shoot stones at people

    • @ThePapaja1996
      @ThePapaja1996 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Or fans of course

    • @merobo5066
      @merobo5066 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@MrVsGarage Don't forget Number of teams (thinking of a certain arrows car that made its way around a bunch of slower teams in the 2000s)

  • @jonathonalsop2120
    @jonathonalsop2120 หลายเดือนก่อน +56

    I pictured Stoffel, glad he wasn't far away.

    • @antmangaming08
      @antmangaming08 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Same

    • @mancantswim66191
      @mancantswim66191 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      My guess was Klien, and he was also on the list.

    • @leometz7287
      @leometz7287 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Pedro de la Rosa was the first to come to my mind, but I guess he was in the sport for too long

  • @penkus5902
    @penkus5902 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Hahah great video, such a fun buildup to the great reveal. I couldn't help but chuckle at how well Ericsson fits for that. Thanks!

    • @MrVsGarage
      @MrVsGarage  29 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Glad you enjoyed it! I had a lot of fun making this one!

  • @ChrisGamingNL333
    @ChrisGamingNL333 หลายเดือนก่อน +210

    For some reason the first driver that came to my mind when i was the title was Nico hulkenberg, let's see how close i was

    • @ChrisGamingNL333
      @ChrisGamingNL333 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      Ok I was pretty close but had to go a bit further north for the true mid driver from recent years

    • @Mydigitalepitaph
      @Mydigitalepitaph หลายเดือนก่อน +50

      Too long a career id guess. Need to find the average career length (maybe 3, r seasons?).
      I thought it would be someone like Thierry Boutsen or some other 80s/early 90s driver (Naninni? Although he might have won a race)

    • @fried_fishy
      @fried_fishy หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      me too

    • @kurwagrande8607
      @kurwagrande8607 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Nah, Nico has got a lot of races

    • @justaguy3310
      @justaguy3310 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Mydigitalepitaph Boutsen won 3 races, def not average

  • @Exponaut_R-01
    @Exponaut_R-01 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    "Average career length 4.5 seasons"
    Mmmmm the blood of getting deleted mid season runs deep

  • @MrLeeJimi
    @MrLeeJimi หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I did this a while ago, and while you clarify this is about the median, it's worth pointing out that if you used mean, you'd find its Ginner Nilsson with 31 starts, 1 win, 4 podiums, 1 fastest lap, 1 DNS, 21 laps led and 31 points.
    The 2 biggest outliers in his stats were 18 retirements (58% of starts) and a best starting grid position of 3rd.

  • @georgehelliar
    @georgehelliar 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Fun fact: to all of us who grew up listening to murray walker, his name is pronounced in all caps: ' GABRIELE TARQUINI'

  • @ollan9312
    @ollan9312 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    A swede being the most average driver is beautiful, perfectly lagom.

  • @waterfoxy3734
    @waterfoxy3734 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    At first i saw a video from this channel, so i thought "oh sweet, i will watch a video from the past". And when i notice it is 44 minutes ago, im crying with happiness

  • @jakubkrcma
    @jakubkrcma 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    The fact that the most average F1 driver won Indy 500 shows how INCREDIBLY good F1 drivers are.

    • @MrVsGarage
      @MrVsGarage  29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yes but also please don't think that Ericsson is the best driver in Indycar 😂

    • @jakubkrcma
      @jakubkrcma 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@MrVsGarage Of course not. But the fact that he's completely ordinary in F1 makes the Indy 500 win very special.

  • @GeHeum
    @GeHeum หลายเดือนก่อน +46

    Finally a real mr. V video. Please don't become a streamer, but keep making these videos. You contribute way more doing this

    • @Ryolfyo
      @Ryolfyo หลายเดือนก่อน

      Fuck off, it's his channel he produces the content he wishes

  • @noahweinkum9471
    @noahweinkum9471 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Andrea De Cesaris has to have had the craziest F1 career in history. Multiple videos could be made on just him alone

    • @ThePapaja1996
      @ThePapaja1996 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The Colin Mccrae of f1

  • @Secretlyanothername
    @Secretlyanothername หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    15:10 "there's something about you, it's hard to explain"

  • @driver694
    @driver694 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    When I think of an average driver people like Adrian Sutil come to mind

  • @HistoricFootballz
    @HistoricFootballz 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The dad of a world champion F1,a Formula-E world champion,the son of a world champion F1,bloody Marcus Ericsson
    What is this graph 😂😂😂

  • @opsyko3310
    @opsyko3310 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    My first thought was Kevin Magnussen, 1 podium, decently long career, quite a few points, but not a staggering amount

    • @MoreThan7Digits
      @MoreThan7Digits หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      yeah but he has a pole and long careers are really bad
      also a lot of points just his podium alone puts him as high as ericcson

    • @opsyko3310
      @opsyko3310 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MoreThan7Digits yeah, this prediction was before i watched the video, so i had no idea just how bad the average career was. I guess i was close geographically

    • @MoreThan7Digits
      @MoreThan7Digits หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@opsyko3310 yeah true

    • @jeroenverzijl8596
      @jeroenverzijl8596 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Nico most starts without a poduim

  • @chiefbedroom553
    @chiefbedroom553 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    13:40 Tarquini even has his own DNPQ record for his racing number. He is him

  • @SiqueScarface
    @SiqueScarface 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    13:45 Interestingly though, all three of them had very successful touring car careers, with each winning some series.

  • @SportIce
    @SportIce หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    that's some crazy analysis as always

  • @NotAfraidToQuestionThings
    @NotAfraidToQuestionThings หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    A few minutes in and I was thinking Jos Verstappen. Pleased to see I wasn't too far off.

  • @quinngodin2985
    @quinngodin2985 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Amazing video! One suggestion tho, if you don’t want to look at variance each time you can instead do furthest from the middle.

  • @rhodrambles3943
    @rhodrambles3943 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Honestly thought it was going to be Sebastian Buemi, loved the video!

  • @danriddoch3782
    @danriddoch3782 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    15:20 interesting how many of these guys were well beaten by their teammates. A head to head comparison weighted using the teammates ELO would be fun

  • @sebastiandierks7919
    @sebastiandierks7919 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That's the content I subscribed for. Great stuff!

  • @zephyrod7307
    @zephyrod7307 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The modern most average makes an incredible amount of sense

  • @sebastianahrens2385
    @sebastianahrens2385 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    4:36 Checking our GOAT Latifi's stats against this is hilarious :D

  • @nathanfaden450
    @nathanfaden450 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I had a suspicion it was going to be Ericsson, bit ironic that he won the Indy 500 though

    • @MrVsGarage
      @MrVsGarage  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The Indy 500 haunts me in everything I do

  • @LeonardoAldana43
    @LeonardoAldana43 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    7:54 Mr. Twenty-two in a rown himself. That’s right. He didn't finish a single race through an entire season

  • @amfoy5919
    @amfoy5919 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Dear Mr V, Please post the spreadsheet so I can use the data to confirm my biases. Sincerely, Someone who would like to laugh at Jos Verstappen being below average

  • @Sambal_oeleh
    @Sambal_oeleh หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    congrats on 50K dude🎉 found you a while back, im now hooked to all vids.❤

  • @datvader587
    @datvader587 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Actually Tarquini comes from my town here in Italy and he Is the uncle of one of my friends at school 😂

  • @TheBeehivePaddock
    @TheBeehivePaddock หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    JOHNNY CECOTTO MENTIONED!!

  • @Ben94
    @Ben94 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Already had Mark Blundell in my head for this video. So glad he's here. Possibly my favourite mid driver

  • @syaieya
    @syaieya หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    My gut check at the start was De la Rosa but he had access to a very above average Mclaren

  • @paolotramontana8178
    @paolotramontana8178 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    What's the most average f1 car of all time?
    It could be interesting watching cars like the Mclaren mp4/4 and Ferrari F2004 compete against The HRT F112 or Andrea Moda S291.

  • @b511gaakoshi5
    @b511gaakoshi5 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I haven't watched yout channel before but this vid is fire 🔥 keep it up

  • @rogeriocosta6326
    @rogeriocosta6326 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The fact that the indy 500 driver didnt even won this chalange makes him the most avarege driver anyway lmao what a paradox

  • @TomoBystedt
    @TomoBystedt หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice work! I do wish that you had added a decimal place or two for all those stats that averaged to zero. It would’ve helped give context to whether it was 0.49 or 0.01.

    • @MrVsGarage
      @MrVsGarage  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Would still be 0 as it's the median, so it's literally just the stat borrowed from the guy in the middle each time. Because we had an even number of people it's actually the mid point of two people which is how we got some .5 stats

  • @DriveLikeAManiac
    @DriveLikeAManiac หลายเดือนก่อน

    fantastic video thanks for making it

  • @quadj5763
    @quadj5763 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Name a more iconic rivalry than Mr. V vs. Indy 500

  • @LapoftheWorld
    @LapoftheWorld 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How do you "only" have (now 62k) subs?! I think I watched the F1 ELO thing and just assumed at least a few 100k, anyway, you'll get there and this is as-usual amazing.

  • @KayJblue
    @KayJblue 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Seeing the list of mid drivers at the end is truly accurate. A good portion of those 2005-2010 midfielders represent average in my mind.

  • @HmmmmmLemmeThinkNo
    @HmmmmmLemmeThinkNo หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My mother has literally told me to ask you to do a "who would have won with the old points systems" for nascar. I had to explain that you're not into nascar 😂 (she's here for the spreadsheets)
    This was a delight of a video! 10/10 :D

    • @MrVsGarage
      @MrVsGarage  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Haha you can tell her that I can run the numbers but I'll have no clue what I'm talking about so would make myself look like an even bigger idiot than normal 😂

    • @Bellwall_fan
      @Bellwall_fan 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@MrVsGarage do it

  • @jimbass1664
    @jimbass1664 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    50,000 people being entertained by spreadsheets? Dude, you have a gift. Or I need to be more afraid for the world than I was already. Keep 'em coming.

  • @arnaudj.5314
    @arnaudj.5314 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Watching the start of the video I was thinking about Stoffel Vandoorne and i'm glad he's in the 5 most average drivers

  • @deanjdk
    @deanjdk หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The only real way to judge a drivers driving is to the performance potential of the car on a race by race basis, which no-one really does.
    For example, If Magnussen and Norris swapped cars for every race in their careers, how different would the narratives be for both of them? What would Sainz look like after 3 years in an uncompetative sauber? Zero drivers can overcome the performance gap of the cars ultimately, just maximise the potential of the car, which Bottas could be doing every weekend for all we know.

    • @TakodaTGL
      @TakodaTGL หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ericsonn is really mid though so apparently it worked

    • @TakodaTGL
      @TakodaTGL หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      but i see your point, ericsonn only drove mid / shite cars his carreer
      imagine right if he drove the merc.

    • @deanjdk
      @deanjdk หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@TakodaTGL All being said, I agree with Ericsson being most mid 😅

  • @ommepul
    @ommepul หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    missed opportunity to put the famous Murray Walker "ouh ouh it's Tarquini"- clip in there

  • @charlespletzke8311
    @charlespletzke8311 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I wonder who’s closest to that average ranking of the last 30 and all f1 on the current f1 grid. I feel like it’d be zhou for last 30, and sergeant for all f1 based on gut and quick mental reasoning

  • @Mydigitalepitaph
    @Mydigitalepitaph หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    My guess would be a driver who's had a unremarkable career which was longer than 2 seasons but not more than 5. Maybe a few 4th/5th places but never really challenging for podiums/wins (surely a podium/win is better than average?).
    I thought of both Nannini and Boutsen from the 80s, but they both won races and Boutsen had a 10 year career.
    If Nannini hadn't won a race, he would be a good candidate.
    Maybe De Cesaris? Remember him being the Stroll of the 80s.
    It's going to be something from that era (unless I'm totally proven incompetent and incorrect)

  • @Szym_Gu
    @Szym_Gu หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Mr V
    Idea for the next video:
    The most average team in F1.

  • @gemberkoekje
    @gemberkoekje หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Video suggestion: one of the complaints of modern F1 is that the cars are too wide and that its detrimental to racing. So what if we make the classic tracks wider by the same margin, and figure out if that increases the spectacle?

    • @MrVsGarage
      @MrVsGarage  29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Not that simple sadly as it ruins the lines through corner complexes and basically makes all tracks easier. You could make tracks longer to accommodate but then the speed of the cars doesn't match as well. The simple answer is we just need to make the cars smaller again

  • @8_BlackOut_8
    @8_BlackOut_8 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Question:
    Would you be able to do a video on the average driver according to every 2024 driver’s statistics (ofc, would include Sergeant, Bearman, Colapinto, etc.)?

  • @vastrashastra
    @vastrashastra หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Immediately thought of Nico Hulkenberg but he is in the sport for a very long time certainly more than an average driver would be.

    • @kukuc96
      @kukuc96 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He also has a pole position and a ton of career points.

  • @mattkuenzli2772
    @mattkuenzli2772 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What's even better is that Ericsson got preferential treatment his whole F1 career until LeClerc became is teammate at Sauber!

  • @nathanakers45
    @nathanakers45 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great stuff (as usual). I would have bet money it was gonna be the King of 11th Place, Esteban Gutierrez. Ericsson's a solid result though.

    • @MrVsGarage
      @MrVsGarage  29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      He was very close, just off the side of that graph at the end

  • @borandiUK
    @borandiUK หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    @mrv I always play a game of 'better than sutil'. Is X better than Sutil?

  • @derosiflo6524
    @derosiflo6524 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    15:20 you wrote Klien wrong, our last F1 driver from Austria

    • @MrVsGarage
      @MrVsGarage  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oops, autocorrect. I guess he's small now 🤷‍♂️

    • @derosiflo6524
      @derosiflo6524 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MrVsGarage checks out. He's like 1m70 at max xd

  • @JohnnyH1992
    @JohnnyH1992 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The fact that Mr. V still only has 50k subs is a travesty.

  • @Denes2005
    @Denes2005 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    When the shadow popped up right at the end i the name “Esteban Guttierez” just popped into my head

  • @jwaltgp1
    @jwaltgp1 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Great video. Pity about your pronunciation of Tarquini and Ceccoto

    • @MrVsGarage
      @MrVsGarage  28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      This is Excel degeneracy not an Italian lesson, I research the names but it's hard to find clips of people saying these specific ones

  • @TetraDax
    @TetraDax 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You forgot one fun statistical anamoly: The highest rate of retirements per race start and the highest rate of disqualifications per race start is technically not calculateable. In the 1977 German GP, the absolute madman Hans Heyer failed to qualify for the race. He refused to let that stop him - And lined up on the grid for the race anyway. Nobody noticed, and in lap 9, his engine gave up. Afterwards the stewards realized "Who on earth is that guy who just retired?", and disqualified him for good measure. So despite having zero race starts, Hans Heyer has one DNF and one DSQ to his name.

  • @Ryzard
    @Ryzard หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Me waiting for Fernando Alonso's McLaren stint to come in and weigh against his Renault stint to somehow make him win THIS comparison TOO

  • @Biljoona
    @Biljoona 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Meaningless F1 data + excel sheets = heaven! I'm a man with a very sad life. 😆

    • @MrVsGarage
      @MrVsGarage  29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You're not the only one 😅

  • @Marc0coco
    @Marc0coco 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Is it an idea to get the average driver by comparing the scored % of available points? For example: Verstappen now has 403 points, divide that by the total points available for the full season, do this for each season to get a ranking of average % of available points scored. Could this be a way to not have to rework the scoring system for all the older season and seasons with more/less races?

    • @JohnDaubSuperfan369
      @JohnDaubSuperfan369 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Why don't you just run those numbers through Excel and entertain yourself so no one else has to sit through that?

  • @michaelwhitney3305
    @michaelwhitney3305 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think a second spreadsheet should be created which gives a compensatory score factor for the team’s constructors title results and weighs that into this.
    For example, Ericsson was OK but never had top equipment.
    Pierluigi Martini was a bit of a surprise but have to remember Minardi were solid midfield runners during his heyday.
    This is a quantitative spreadsheet but does not consider the qualitative aspects of their machinery.

  • @andresp.1774
    @andresp.1774 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Back with some spreadsheet content... Yesss!!

  • @julianschernthaner4351
    @julianschernthaner4351 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have a feeling that if you looked at the drivers who have the least deviation from the mean falling somewhere in the middle for drivers from let's say 1985 onwards you'll end up with Nicola Larini, who had 49 starts and 7 points, with the first entry at 23.5 years of age.

  • @Skalengerrr
    @Skalengerrr หลายเดือนก่อน

    Me and Mr V are evidently on the same wavelength. The moment the total number of attempted F1 drivers went up (869), i instinctively said "nice" only for Mr V to say it less than half a second later in the video.

  • @elpatosilva
    @elpatosilva 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I remember Ericsson because he pushed Grosjean out during a safety car. I remember it like it was yesterday, with total clarity. It was the most serious accident Grosjean ever had.

  • @DuddleBug5
    @DuddleBug5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Make a video about f1 drivers/Prospects who went to indycar right after

  • @erasmus_locke
    @erasmus_locke หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Now predict what non F1 driver would do best in Formula 1

    • @MrVsGarage
      @MrVsGarage  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I've run the numbers and it says Lightning McQueen 🤷‍♂️

  • @skynet0912
    @skynet0912 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    With your fetish for medium speed corners, finding the most medium speed driver must have been damn near peak TH-cam material!

    • @MrVsGarage
      @MrVsGarage  29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      This video was my calling in life. I feel lost now it's complete

  • @duncangibson717
    @duncangibson717 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The fact that the ‘most average’ F1 drivers are all champions in other forms of Motorsport. Sometimes we forget that only 20ish people make that cut

  • @6root91
    @6root91 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm so happy that you hit us with Ericsson being the most average modern driver.

  • @bobbyr600
    @bobbyr600 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hell yes, Mr. V returns

  • @kristoferbk7486
    @kristoferbk7486 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    When i saw the title i was thinking of guys like Patrese, Fisichella, Panis, Heidfeld. They were good, but not good enough to get many chances on top teams.

  • @jamesprumos7775
    @jamesprumos7775 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the moral of the story: if you're mid in F1, enter the indy 500. With that in mind, I'd like to see you do this for Indycar/CART/champ car/american open-wheel racing.

  • @calvinstraveldreams
    @calvinstraveldreams 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Average is a difficult thing to quantify, given the disparities between the top cars, midfield cars, and backmarkers. That said, I would define "average" in F1 as "as good as his or her equipment", which means neither overperforming nor underperforming relative to the performance of the car (compared to the other cars on the grid).

  • @jvomkrieg
    @jvomkrieg หลายเดือนก่อน

    My guess for the modern era was Timo Glock. I got close on the length of career but completely forgot he got 3 podiums, which put him way above. Hilarious.