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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ย. 2024
- We push the new 2024 Staccato CS to its limits. In one day we fired 3000 rounds to see how the new gun performs.
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Big props for spending $750 just on ammo for us, even when ammo was not sponsored. Thank you.
Glad you got something out of it. Appreciate the support. 🤙
Yes thank you
I have a P with 37,000 rounds through it with zero major failures of parts. I have had to change the main spring several times (they wear out). I can typically go 1,000 to 1,200 rounds between cleanings. It is a fantastic pistol
Good stuff. Does that go for the mags as well? The concept of expensive mags that require cleaning if you drop them on grass/dirt is the one thing that has kept me away from the 2011.
@@ILruffian I actually have not had to replace a single mag. I have 6 or 7 17 round and about the same number of 20 round. In terms of maintaining them, they are stainless steel so no rust and the butt plate just slides off (much easier then Glock for example).
soo, you shoot about $200 worth of ammo a month, every month since the day the "P" was released? ya ok
@@sk8thundr Did not get it at release, shoot around 1k a month when not competing and x 3 that when I am. I currently have two Ps and an XC.
@@sk8thundr you when people have the money to shoot that much every month --> 😲😡😡
Staccato did an excellent job with that CS. I actually got sick to my stomach when you threw the gun in the mud. 😅
Figured that would ruffle some feathers 😆
I didn’t realize when I bought my 24 CS that it wouldn’t fit my old C2 holster but thankfully a gentleman on 1911addicts informed me that you guys had the 24 model holster in stock. I have a Certum 3 expected to deliver on Tuesday!
I’ve always had good luck with Staccato reliability and it’s good to see that play out for the most part here as well.
Thanks for the support 🤙
I had the opportunity to run a le-issued Staccato. Ran it all day. Liked it alot
shooting at the 50 yrd line while someone is in front of you in the tent is wild.
Not nearly enough "It's so flat, bro"s were excalimed during this video. I cant be positive it was actual a Staccato as a result.
You're right, the ratio was way off.
Outside of the XL and XC theyre really not that flat shooting
@@roberthutchinson2856 lol, you mean a 4" uncompensated gun doesn't shoot as flat as a 5" island barrel comp or 6". lol childlike expectations and reasoning powers.
@@blaiseeltine9516 slow it down there champ. What im saying is they dont provide a huge benefit over their competitors. A P doesnt shoot a lot better than a g17 but an XL or xc shoot a lot better than a g34 or comped 17.
There are sweet spots in the design
@@roberthutchinson2856terrible reply to his comment just like a child 😂
I don't do Staccato but your holsters are hands down the best.
Waiting on mine! Ordered the CS with DLC barrel and really hyped!
Hopefully u don't have the same issues or have to take a file to it...
Congrats! I canceled my 2023 order 2 days before it shipped when they dropped the '24 version and ordered it. Waiting on the background check to go thru so i can take her home either monday or Tuesday! My xc needed a staccato little brother
DLC?
@@oldmanjenkins771Diamond like coating
The gun was zeroed with the iron sights at the factory. Mine was deadly accurate at fifty raids right out of the box. Two hundred rounds, first day, no issues except I need more mags.
I have a C2 and during my first initial break in with Aguila 115gr target ammo I had 3/300 failure to fire. Tried to mix with other ammob (Fiochi) in mag and exact same 3 rounds failed to fire. I've used other brands from Hornady, CCi Blazers, Sigs, and Winchester ranging from 115g, 125+P, 135+P, and 147 with no issues since. I have about 2200 rounds. Lubed it at 500 intervals and cleanded every 1000. Side note, gave the 3 rounds to the range master with a Glock 19. He tested the 3 rounds and fired all with no issues. I was impressed with Glock and Im not a Glock fan. Conclusion: yes, first couple of mags is break-in and now that I have seen your video it strenghten the need to break in at least 300 rounds. Good video. Thank you.
Appreciate the feedback!
Absolutely the fault of aguila and fiochi, they are low quality low reliability brands. Blazer is the bottom line worth picking, federal and Winchester are good
prepping for the 79 IPSC world shoot in S Africa, I lived in a tent on a pasture-range and shot 24,000 rds of my cast bullet .45 ACP reloads. that was done with a Star progressive loader, and 3000 rds of WCC72 Winchester military brass, Bullseye powder, Lyman #2 alloy for the bullets, Hensley and Gibbs 3 cavity molds., Alcan large pistol primers, 50/50 alox and beeswax lubricant. I used a modified version of Bruce Nelsons's cross draw rig, made for me by Bob Arganbright,
In 6 weeks, that ammo was all gone and the brass was down to sub 1000 cases, all of them bulged from so many trips thru the carbide sizer die. I never had a malfunction that I could blame on the Series 70 MkIV colt govt model. I had a few rds where the powder bridged over in the powder measure, cause I had no weight on it.
I cracked the frame a tiny bit near the slide stop slot. I broke the collet bushing, cracked the firing pin stop, broke the tip off of the extractor, had a couple of GI mags fall-apart. but the gun kept running. I used the 200 gr swc over 4.5 grs of bullseye before Hercules, adulterated that powder to make you use more of it. Averaging 600 rds per day, some days firing as much as 1500 rds, all of it aimed, and very little of it really fast firing. It was all done on stages of fire that we shot in Africa. I was too broke and upset over a woman to do worth a crap at the world shoot, but in practice, I could do anything, man. Toss up two soda cans, draw and hit them both, all sorts of stuff.
Love the CS. Ive got 700 rounds thru mine and zero issues. I hope to get to 3000 rounds😊😅 Shoots very accurately for a compact gun. Carrying it in the Lux holster with RMR HD. Fits perfect
Picking up my CS today! Very nice video!
P.S. Love your holsters! The best!
Glad to hear it. Thanks for the support.🤙
@@tenicorusa For sure! 👊
Velo is by far my favorite holster. Can't wait to see the next iteration.
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Thank you for the video, really appreciate what you guys doing.
Will love to see similar video with new Staccato C .
Thanks for the support 🤙
The C 2024 seems like it might be right for me too
Staccatos are great guns and at this time proven. Love the aesthetic looks of the P 4.15 and XC with the full dust cover but hate their DPO plate with that big thick as rear sight. Wish they had the Atlas slimmer cleaner look. If anyone knows who makes an aftermarket one like the Atlas for Staccato DPO, plz let me know. Thanks
Just came through to say your Sagax Lux 2, (Staccato C2) is the best IWB I've ever used.
I can second this. I was hesitant to buy a C2 because of the size but it carry’s just like my g19
Thanks for the support 🤙
Thanks for this video. I had a Staccato C and its reliability was not great. After 200-250 rounds the action would start slowing down and it suffer F2F and failure to lock back.
There’s a difference in the 16 round and 15 round magazines. I’ve noticed the 15round function properly and the 16 do all kind of weird stuff. They don’t lock back, rattle after break in, can’t rack slide when fully loaded. I’ve switch all my 16 mags out for 15. It changed everything for me.
That is interesting to hear. I have slide lock problems with my 16 mags so I will have to give that a try.
@glenncharles6622 my 16 rounders stopped locking slide back because the springs wore out--They are squishy. I contacted staccato about it and they asked for my dealer info and a receipt and shipped me 3 new mags free of charge. I hope they hold up but i was impressed considering theyre about $60 each
I have the old CS. I had two mags fail to lock the slide back so far. I contacted Staccato and they replaced the mags. I think the problem is the mag spring. I have yet to any other problems with It. I think Staccato produces one of the finest handguns on market.
Did you shoot past all the people under the tent?!?! At 50-75 yards
At 4:02 (50 yrd line) It really looks like theres someone moving in under the tent thats downrange.
Jeff demands employees defy death and injury to show dedication to tenicor.
yea cant lie its not like hes gonna hit the guy but it is still really cringe
Wow! I just came here to see if someone commented this. It really appeared that the guy loading mags was under the canopy while he was firing there.
Yup , not cool.
We've got a video coming soon on range safety and our thoughts on this. No firearms safety rules were were violated. The rules of firearms safety are not the same as range rules.
With my C2 I have shoot somewhere around 10,000+ rounds. And the only “failure” I have had is the failure to lock back on empty, but I also lube my gun and clean it after every range trip.
I have shot like 3k -3.5k rounds through my CS, not one failure yet. Pretty impressive so far.
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My C2 has over 5k rounds through it. 2 ftf's 1st 100 rounds. It's a first gen C2. I decided to switched to + 10% mag spring. Yet to fail since.
Super interesting, thanks for the feedback 👍
Not locking back is not a failure more of a magazine issue then a gun issue
I have the 2024 CS also. And I’ve noticed that my slide didn’t lock back a few times also. I’ve put about 1k rounds thru it
Gentleman, you just voided the warranty going over 1000 rounds without a full cleaning. 😂🤣
Do NOT tell @Staccato2011! 🤣
@@tenicorusa Your secret is safe! 🤣
they will never know
A watch my case ejection constantly! Glad to see someone else watch it!
Ha, good to hear that someone enjoyed that part of the video
I like Jay. I like vibratite.
I also thought I was the only person on earth who knew about loctite 222.
That purp hella strong on the small boys.
29:14 -- Danny -- I'm sorry, The Squire -- is going to die of lead poisoning.
I have shot thousands of rounds through my CS this winter and the only issue i have is the often failure to lock on an empty mag. I am beginning to suspect it is the mag and need to start tracking it, but otherwise the gun has been spectacular.
I haven't had one issue with my C2 or P. I would not be happy if the first shots had issues.
Tenicor, can you PLEASE make an IWB holster for the new Staccato C with a X300 light?!?!?!?! Please.
Slide lock is usually a mag issue, did you mark the mag that wouldn’t lock back? It might be the same one only occasionally.
Okay, glad I watched this entire freakin video. I did not know that vibratite was supposed to be allowed to cure before threading. I thought it was just a different brand of loctite. That's a pretty significant difference between the two substances.
Yep, I agree with you. That many rounds with lube really is stupid! In reality, the gun didn't malfunction. the shooter did and did so on purpose!!!
everyone says use a red dot but i see nothing but them fail during hard use,
trex arms just put out a video where they shoot 600 rounds and the red dot is gone from the sight.
Dude yall could have given the loading guy a uplula loader!
WOW BRAVO MY MAN ! YOUR HANDS HAD 2 HURT THE NEXT DAY !
32:39 -- the moral of the story is, clean and lube your guns as per manufacturer's recommendations.
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Cool vid but not sure why ejection pattern matters and the need for the overly confident fast blind return to concealment with a loaded gun. In what scenario would either of those two things matter?
I'm watching videos and doing research on the CS so I can talk myself into dropping the coin necessary to purchase a Staccato.
Dude shooting looks utterly disgusted and confused at the same time while shooting lol
This is the review I wanted to see before I drop the cash on one. Awsome video
Appreciate the feedback. 👍
That's interesting that the mag in/out makes that much of a difference with the ejection
“Either the ammo sucks or I suck “ 😭I’m sure it wasn’t the ammo
Im getting one of these as my daily carry gun as soon as i can. When the island barrel version introduced this year comes out, ill be getting it too. Im curious if said upgrade to the barrel will make it have less recoil.
Couldn’t that failure for slide to lock open be due to grip? I had that same issue with a Canik and thought it was the gum but ended up being my actual grip on the having pressure on the slide release
31:11 -- FTF on reload -- probably because you keep dropping the magazines on the ground!
I mean it's kinda where they go when you reload...
@@tenicorusa Maybe. But I still check to make sure they aren't bent or get mud or dirt or rocks or cat hair or plants in them, and that they still function smoothly.
Thanks for doing this. Also, I’ve only had ONE failure to feed, but it was only my first mag and hasn’t done it since. Break in period of one mag?
Glad we could do it. 🤙 Hard to tell with one potentially problematic mag. We had 1 mag that gave us trouble a few times.
Really cool video, but cant believe you were shooting (at 50 yards) when there was someone in front of you...
I don’t think failure to lock back is a failure to me a failure is anything that makes the gun no go bang
I have a C2 and P. I lube maybe every 500 rounds but don’t actually clean until I get to 1500-2000 rounds. Surprisingly I’ve maybe had a dozen malfunction in about 10k rounds on each gun
Thanks for the insight. 🤙
17:34 ahhhh,throw a porting package by monsoon tactical and you’ll like it more.
Someone downrange in that tent at 4:05?
Also, yes, Vibratite VC3 has been my go-to since getting into red dots. Works a lot better than Loctite blue. Just gotta let it cure.
Enjoyed the video. Will this be a new series where you guys put 3k rounds thru various new guns (PDP, Glock, etc)?
I’m looking forward for the 2024 C.
It's possible. It was also a lot more work than we thought 😆
What size Fero2 are you running with those slimmer CS mags? Still the E?
FERO2 C. 🤙
I know its not the current "cool bro" view, but I'd love to see you do this with the S&W Equalizer. Super underrated gun.
Y'all are rad and I dig the dry humor vibe!
Appreciate the support! 🤙
You want a ZYN 😂! Great video guys!
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Great video.
Thanks for the support!
“I really don’t like…” should be the title of the video.
It was a long day 😆
Thank you for the stress test. I'm considering staccato for my LEO duty weapon. It's between that and the Shadow Systems MR920P.
After seeing the “no bullshit review” on the mr920p. I’ll take 2 of the SS before the staccato.
You should focus on a platform that has none of these malfunctions. That would probably be a Glock which is sure to be on your departments list of approved pistols for duty. Your planning on putting to work a weapon you just watched fail repeatedly 😂😂😂😂
You want a gun that may not lock back or failure to feed in a gunfight as a police officer?!
@theccwdad half my career as a Navy SEAL, we ran with the glock 19, and that had multiple malfunctions bc of their triggers. I had zero malfunctions with our sigs, but the powers that be gave the nsw contract to glock anyways. My department does issue us the glock 45 but bc I don't have confidence, I'm definitely sidelining it. I do like that Staccato, but yes I don't think it'll suit bc of some issues to include what you pointed out. It's gonna be the MR920P for me.
@SnD340 yeah I'm going for the MR920P.
What kind of jacket do you have on?
I would like to see how the Staccato P would hold up to the same test... How do you think it will do?😎
We're waiting for Jeff's hands to recover first.
Lol...Okay...😎@@tenicorusa
Looking forward to info on the velo 5.
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This dude is definitely on the spectrum
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Well damn, Devon...
I've had nothing but negative results with vibratite. I always waited the recommended amount of time after applying before screwing them down and it never works. Definitely dont recommend using it on anything for firearms.
Great feedback, thanks. We'll do more testing.
Heck, I saw someone with G48 that started chocking within the first 500 rounds. FTFs.
Nah
@@blackops8996 Yes 100% no BS. He bought the whole box, brand new. Shot it next to me, and it started getting very sluggish after ~300rds, FTF in every mag. Asked me for help.
I took it apart on the spot, wiped it and lubed it up, seems to alleviate the problem for him.
y'all need to order your squire an ets reloader
Didn't think of that🤔
@@tenicorusa I second this
Im not there im not shooting but at this exact moment the mag didnt go all the way up u can hear it . 31:06
3 malfunctions for 500 rounds it is not great accuracy for cary gun. I had few Glocks an MPs that never had a single MF for many thousаnds rouns each.
im between this and a wilson combat sfx9 3.5 which would you recommend?
Thanks for reaching out. The Staccato is great. I have no concerns about recommending it for carry. I have no experience with the Wilson gun, so I cannot say. Take care.
Need to mute the bullet impacts so we can hear you talk without constantly adjusting the volume.
Which OR jacket are you wearing? Where did you get it? Thanks much.
I don't think they make this one anymore from our knowledge. Best to check out their website.
What ammo and what #mag did you have the most problems with?
All staccato mags. 1 mag had two fail to locks, the other fail to locks where a separate mags. No ammo had any specific issues. Overall, the malfunctions where not a concern. In 3000 rounds you'd have the same or more problems in a striker fired gun like a Glock.
@@tenicorusa I'd be interested to see you guys do this with a p10c, this video reminds me of the video fort Scott munitions did they put 10k thru a p10c in a day.
10k in a single day is impressive.
That is crazy and def unsafe having someone down range while shooting at 4:03 😮
Doesn't violate any of the rules of firearms safety.
Accidents can happen and people down range can be shot even if you are not aiming at them. The most safe way to prevent accidents is to prevent the possibility of it happening by making sure no one is down range in this case.
@@peterdang9475This has got to be low key Ken Hakathorne in the chat.
Where did you get the jacket from?
Outdoor research foray 2
@@DisruptiveDee thank you bro,
Can y’all do a drop test? I know staccatos don’t have a firing pin block so I’m wondering how safe they are.
Thanks for the suggestion. We'll consider that for the next torture test video. 🤙
garand thumb just did this test. the staccato fired when dropped from chest height, barrel down with safety off. did not fire with safety on
@@kevinknesek4615 I saw it. It wouldn’t have made a difference if the safety was on. They don’t have a firing pin block. My question is why isn’t the firing pin spring strong enough to stop the firing pin from moving forward. Staccato is marketed as a duty gun and for CCW. I’d expect more from a weapon that is for professional use.
Kinda crazy seeing everyone with these issues out of a $2500 gun. Id really like one of these but its very off putting seeing all these issues. I may lean towards the new sig 365 legion
If you consider not lock back a failure and 3000 rounds through a gun with no cleaning only issue is failure to feed you shouldn’t get any gun
I have seen an EDC video. I'm curious what are you carrying in this video Looks very different. from other videos. Do a video with. which you're carrying in this video.
No wonder your holsters are so expensive 😂
Pause shooting and restock holsters for the CS
CS holsters are in stock right now 👍
Great video. I got a question. What is the difference between the 24' CS and the original CS? I have the original version of the CS.
The major difference is the change in the frame. It is wider (equal to slide width) and a little taller (thus the holster fit issues). They made these changes to improve reliability. We'd say if you are happy with the 23 CS, no need change.
Thank you for answering. Love my holster, my Tenicor is the nicest holster I have. @@tenicorusa
The extractor is also now external, which is one of the most notable issues with 1911 styled guns. The internal one has all kinds of things that happen to them to brake. I haven’t had one break on my C2 or XC. But I know it can happen on 1911/2011s.
The 2023 CS has an external extractor as well.
Does anyone know if Tenicor offers a holster that’s compatible with the enigma express chassis?
Here is everything Phlster says regarding their compatibility with our holsters: www.phlsterholsters.com/tenicor/
thank you!!!@@tenicorusa
No problem. 🤙
Are you looking at the ejection pattern, just in case you need to hit a 2nd target almost directly to your right? 😂
Nope, you are looking at the ejection pattern to see if the extractor is consistent and tuned well.
Which OR jacket is that ?
Foray 2
It’s not locking open because you are riding the slide lock and wont allow it to lock
Negative.
Where did you get your range gloves from?
SKD Tactical.
What model OR jacket are you wearing in the rain?
They don't make it any more. It was part of the OR Pro line.
have you air racked this gun yet?
When is the Velo5 coming?
We aren't allowed to try and predict the future and any estimate will just leave you disappointed. Sorry.
The regular malfunctions would lead me to say this is not what I consider reliable 😂 but to each his own.
Is this the updated CS with a thicker frame?
Yes sir.
Damn. 8 failures in 3,000 rounds? That's 375 rounds per failure. For $2,500 that's terrible. Stick with the Springfield Echelon, Springfield Hellcat, Sig P320, Sig P226, Sig P365, Arex Zero 2 S, H&K VP9, or S&W M&P M2.0.
Actually not unreasonable at all for 3,000 rounds on a new gun, especially given the kind of failure. And not much different from any of the guns you listed.
We'll do more of these 3k round tests and over time we can compare.
No maintenance was done between these 3k rounds. These guns have to be cleaned and lubed every thousand rounds due to tight tolerances.
Any news on those Velo 5’s being released?
No timeline for release as of yet.
Not looking good for staccato in that first 8 rounds lol. I carry a p everyday that’s never had a failure but I giggled when I saw that
Timing was weird for sure. Over the 3000 rounds it was great and Jeff's conclusion was actually "Glock-like reliability"
shoutout to the zyns in devens pocket
Only reason he kept going 🤙
Do a MXAD Drill !💯
How is the recoil on this when compared to the G19?
We haven't compared them directly. But the CS is probably a little softer.
@@tenicorusabut isn't the G19 heavier? Shouldn't that allow the G19 to soak up recoil better?
They're both 23oz (unloaded).
What grain ammo was you shooting?! Thanks
Everything was 124. 🤙
@@tenicorusa thanks! I just got a staccato c2. I'm eventually changing over to 124 grn from 115 grn. And trying to see what others like.
No problem.