So finally we have Ammar Ali Jan on your podcast after a long time. Although it was a 1 hour and 30 minutes podcast but the thirst is still there to listen to him and enlighten ourselves with your conviction and thoughts.
Thanks Shehzad. Ammar sounds like a deeply empathic and intellectually sound person. I came to know him through your channels. This clarifies lots of things for me. Please keep conversing more with Ammar! ⭐
discovered your channel a few weeks ago and I must say, you are doing a great favor to this nation. Thank you for having these important conversations!
Loved the podcast!! It was great to see Ammar Ali Jan so hopeful about the future. A lot of people say stuff like "ImRaN iS ThE oNlY OpTiOn" and this is where they are wrong. We can support people like Ammar Ali Jan, Ammar Rashid, Jibran Nasir and many others if we want genuine change. This is how we will eventually get rid of dynasty politics. And when people like Ammar or Jibran start winning, we will automatically see our "mainstream" parties change their politics too. Thank you Shehzad for what you've done with your podcasts. There was no avenue for such healthy discourse about these topics and thankfully you've taken the lead.
But if we let this government stay till that day comes there won't be a Pakistan left for people like him to fix. Atleast Imran khan is not corrupt. Atleast that will allow Pakistan to last till these people come out of just talking and making a country wide party and start winning seats in the parliament. So it's easy to sell you dreams on a podcast but we have to support someone who is actually in the position to change the laws in our country if we give them a majority for a change in the coming election.
Please do so, instead of the Sheriffs and the Bhuttos, and some PTI supporters may join you, rather than these questionable characters that the IK critics have brought into power in harmony with an American agenda that seldom considers the rights and well being of your people. Perhaps IK could be your ally if he sees your success. That's a much better critical approach to IK, than the status quo opposition. But if you do, you will need understand and deal with the existing power structures and understand politcal realism and pragmatism if you'd actually like to get things done. Then we'll see how well you perform in power rather than criticizing things on the sidelines.
Thank God social media platforms like TH-cam are present and we can access to such intellectual conversations. Insha Allah soon we will witness a change.
Bring liberal is our only way out of this. people in pakistan confuse "Liberal" with being vulgar or being western. Being liberal is not being vulgar, Being liberal is being open minded and having tolerance which is what Islam teaches too.
I think the next thing for you to learn that liberals are not leftists exactly. Will be a fun rabbit hole to follow. One channel I recommend is "Second Thought"
Just got done with this one. What a pleasure to listen to your guest. Thanks for outlining your thoughts on the minimum elements required for improving the regressive situation in our provinces. Part of me is hopeful when I hear people like Ammar. You have my vote as a PM :). His Jacobin article is so eloquently written which I’ll be pondering over & fact checking in the coming days. Thanks Shahzad well conducted :)
Very good pertinent result oreinted discussion since the industrial workers have been marginalized we must have apolicy to bring them to 1950-70 level of the political activities political consciousness of workers with general issues of public is the starting point of our move.
Thankyou for such quality talks. One thing i would point out is, we have Dr taimoor and other form left arguing for the unsustainability of current capitalist form, however theres lack of right wing perspective contrasting their policy with left (and how leftist stances stand little chance of realization) in current pak economic context.
Ammar Ali Jan tussi Karachi aao aur mobilize kuro, we will welcome you. There's a lot of discontent in Karachi and a big vacuum of power. Karachi is the most diverse and populated city of Pakistan- any revival of left needs to start from here
Hi young force of Pakistan u r the conscious democrats across the board we the old or the past generation did not succeed but we surely did contribute with what ever we could honestly I am glad your generation is seriously committed to persu the principles democratically. Usman Baloch
great discussion lots of love from india a i just think any left political party will not work in pakistan since as far as i know for any political party to rise in pakistan its needs suppourt of 'establishment' and since you guys have said so many times that army should not intervene in politics i dont think left wing will see a rise or suppourt also voters have also been immune to right wing ideology
Bro muhajiro pr bhi itna hi zulma hoa hey jitna pathano or balocho pr hoa hey. But log muhajiro k lye itna nhi boltay phalay to on becharo se identity chentay hey hey or phir on pr kalay kanoon nafiz krtay hey. Hattsoff to Ammar Ali Jan and also Shezad Ghias for recognized it as a issue.
Ammar has previously explained the nationalism wali baat on Uzair Younus's Pakistonomy. Dont you guys watch each other's show? I thought you guys were friends.
the fact that in the previous podcast with hussain haqqani, you were direly talking against pakistan having a fantasy for conspiracy theories, yet you start off this one with a conspiracy theory itself. 🤦🤣🤣. just into 8:05... will listen to all of this. shahzad.. i always try to be optimistic towards your side of history and narrative and also try to come with a neutral mind, but always after hour of listening, disappointment never faded. still i will acknowledge that i get to learn something new and logical in tit bits.
@@ThePakistanExperience So please just confirm that according to your sources and a complete B.S thrown by BBC, Gen Bajwa came into PM office in a helicopter, becoz imran was going to sack him and make someone of his liking as the next COAS. Gen bajwa and another beat the shit out of imran in process and then imran had to run back to bani gala. by the way i do have a very very close source of myself for waht happened that day. and lets just set aside media reporting as a proof to justify that its not a conspiracy theory(which it completely is). A report that shahzad ghias is talking logic will not be reported by the media, while a news that shahzad married meera will be a complete headline, even if its not true at all. so the love for conspiracy theories in our media is no less.
Also fully agree with Ammars view of the left. Most of the left is occupied by Boomer babey who are obsessed with Lenin and Mao and haven't yet grasped that we live in 2022 and intersectionality is a thing. Their ideological dogma really excludes people. At the same time, I wish to understand how Ammar expects the varying opinions within his party to not clash in the future. Hypothetically speaking, once you achieve your common goal, your ideological differences will make it difficult for you to get along and function coherently
Yar aaj aapkey aur program pakistan creation pe dekh. Chapak jatey ho. Chhorhtatey nahein ho. 1972 there young MangI actor as pt in Dow medical used to live near old taj hotel or karachi club. Was or any relation to you
My God! Intervention from Army Chief is good when it is against Khan? I find the mantra 'everything is justifiable against Khan' quite hypocritical from you lot. Baki har governments ke fault military pe daaltay ho Shehzad bhai is daur ki military ke fault govt pe. I know Imran Khan's government had many failings but Shehzad I am sorry and I have no polite words to say it, but it is extremely hypocritical. Baki as always listening to Ammar Ali Jan is awesome.
Feel like I'm stuck in an infinite loop when someone tries to defend anything about Immy and his policies. Intervention isn't good period. However Imran Khan came into power through intervention, and along the way lost his marbles when the power got to him. Morphed into a Frankenstein so to speak. Other than planting trees he couldn't claim a single visible accomplishment. And then on top of it, tried his level best to drag Forces in when the going got tough. Let's not fall into misguided beliefs by goons who are being paid to tip the social media war in Immy's favour.
@@shrug-lin1501 Quite disappointing! He literally says military invention from Bajwa against Khan was good knowing very well Bajwa was saving his own ass. Listening to his podcasts for some time I am well aware of this lot’s bias against Khan. Take principled stances and stop being hypocrites. I voted for him and criticized him every single day on the all of the issues mentioned by Prof. Ammar. The host of the show is extremely biased and has a strong anti-Khan bias. I could literally count thousand example of stupid BS!
@@shrug-lin1501 You and some of these khooni liberals are some of the most disingenuous blatant lying Leftist scum on planet earth. Imran's achievements are there for all to see like trying to cut deficit and increasing exports and this after the economy was given to him on ventilator and broken. He was in the midst of rebalancing our economy from Import led to export led which was what Pakistan needed. He handled Covid really well and Pakistans export sector was growing under his watch. real GDP grew 5.3% in 3 years of governance. Lets be real this regime change is the army's doing. Army needs a base of support to propel anyone into Power and PTI had genuine support among vast scores of Pakistanis even if army also did back Imran khan in 2018. You bloddy Khooni liberals can bark all you like but genuine Patriot Pakistanis will bring back Justice to the people of Pakistan. Thats what PTI is Movement for justice. Justice for the ordinary Pakistani against the imposed Khooni Liberals like our young dynastic khusra Bhutto and N leauges vast corruption empire. This time blood will be shed and im glad its gonna be Liberals stew. People like you cannot win the soul of Pakistan. Pakistan deep state needs to come to grips with the coming storms.
@@MK-yg7zf The only leader in living memory who could have brought the army under civilian control was Imran khan. PTI was supposed to be the AKP of Pakistan. Erdogan after the coup attempt brought the army under the civilian heels. Liberals as always being the social justice burger eaters they are lost the best chance for the military to be refocused on its original mandate killing Indians and freeing Kashmir. Not micro managing residential colonies and making and selling cereals. Whats the end game? Khooni liberals and their whiskey drinking general/soldier friends are all content at the state of affairs. While 20 million Pakistanis are out of school..and a whole generation is raised as their house servants and drivers so that when they come back to Pakistan from their multimillion flats and houses in london/sydney/dc/Toronto they can enjoy the best of both worlds. It works out so beautifully for them doesn't it.
You are having high hopes and talking about superb policies but all around the world capitalist lobbies don't let you do that look at Bernie Sanders in USA he is trying hard since many many years but still not fully succeeding 💔
Shahzad English sindhi mein yar. Lamba kar ke bore karey ho. Freedom comes not by talks but through the mouth of gun. If punjabi Stan army rangers are killed daily and dead body sent to punjab will bring change of punjabi rule. Mahajir dadagir hey sindh bewacouf lazy without aim. So now uu know what mess is pakistan .no body is Pakistani but punjabi Stan royal army country
Abey to Imran Khan Kia insaan nuhi hai. Why can't we criticize him? And why can't you logically reply to all his criticisms rather than acting like fascists. (Also Google fascism and self reflect)
I'm loving how our social media is conducting more progressive and productive debates than main-stream TV channels. Loving it!
@@ThePakistanExperience interviewer ko thora tameez ka daaman thame rakhna theek hoga ...
So finally we have Ammar Ali Jan on your podcast after a long time. Although it was a 1 hour and 30 minutes podcast but the thirst is still there to listen to him and enlighten ourselves with your conviction and thoughts.
Thanks Shehzad. Ammar sounds like a deeply empathic and intellectually sound person. I came to know him through your channels. This clarifies lots of things for me. Please keep conversing more with Ammar! ⭐
discovered your channel a few weeks ago and I must say, you are doing a great favor to this nation. Thank you for having these important conversations!
Loved the podcast!! It was great to see Ammar Ali Jan so hopeful about the future. A lot of people say stuff like "ImRaN iS ThE oNlY OpTiOn" and this is where they are wrong. We can support people like Ammar Ali Jan, Ammar Rashid, Jibran Nasir and many others if we want genuine change. This is how we will eventually get rid of dynasty politics. And when people like Ammar or Jibran start winning, we will automatically see our "mainstream" parties change their politics too. Thank you Shehzad for what you've done with your podcasts. There was no avenue for such healthy discourse about these topics and thankfully you've taken the lead.
But if we let this government stay till that day comes there won't be a Pakistan left for people like him to fix. Atleast Imran khan is not corrupt. Atleast that will allow Pakistan to last till these people come out of just talking and making a country wide party and start winning seats in the parliament. So it's easy to sell you dreams on a podcast but we have to support someone who is actually in the position to change the laws in our country if we give them a majority for a change in the coming election.
@@ahsanamir3491 Toshakhana, Farah Khan, Bani Gala encroachment, supporting Tareen with sugar crisis. Yeah, Imran is not corrupt
Please do so, instead of the Sheriffs and the Bhuttos, and some PTI supporters may join you, rather than these questionable characters that the IK critics have brought into power in harmony with an American agenda that seldom considers the rights and well being of your people. Perhaps IK could be your ally if he sees your success. That's a much better critical approach to IK, than the status quo opposition. But if you do, you will need understand and deal with the existing power structures and understand politcal realism and pragmatism if you'd actually like to get things done. Then we'll see how well you perform in power rather than criticizing things on the sidelines.
Very true!
they may be nice people but they're socialists...non-starters.
Thank God social media platforms like TH-cam are present and we can access to such intellectual conversations. Insha Allah soon we will witness a change.
This channel single handedly turned me from conservative into a liberal or leftist person and for that THANK YOU
Aisay hee saray bachay bigaray gai hum 😅 thanks
Same man, same
Bring liberal is our only way out of this. people in pakistan confuse "Liberal" with being vulgar or being western. Being liberal is not being vulgar, Being liberal is being open minded and having tolerance which is what Islam teaches too.
I think the next thing for you to learn that liberals are not leftists exactly. Will be a fun rabbit hole to follow. One channel I recommend is "Second Thought"
I think we should stop misusing liberal and start saying 'pro tolerance' which is the core value being a liberal or even a humanist dictates
Big fan from the US! Got my Abu listening now haha, keep it up!
Just got done with this one. What a pleasure to listen to your guest. Thanks for outlining your thoughts on the minimum elements required for improving the regressive situation in our provinces. Part of me is hopeful when I hear people like Ammar. You have my vote as a PM :). His Jacobin article is so eloquently written which I’ll be pondering over & fact checking in the coming days. Thanks Shahzad well conducted :)
We talk about Islam but our Islamic Republic is devoid of equality before LAW and access to JUSTICE.
Very good pertinent result oreinted discussion since the industrial workers have been marginalized we must have apolicy to bring them to 1950-70 level of the political activities political consciousness of workers with general issues of public is the starting point of our move.
Thankyou for such quality talks. One thing i would point out is, we have Dr taimoor and other form left arguing for the unsustainability of current capitalist form, however theres lack of right wing perspective contrasting their policy with left (and how leftist stances stand little chance of realization) in current pak economic context.
good work
Shahzad thanks for interviewing Ammar Ali Jan. I would love to hear Vijay Prashad on your podcast.
Ammar you don't respond to your twitter handle or email I sent you requests to speak regarding important human rights issues on which I have evidence
Ammar Ali Jan tussi Karachi aao aur mobilize kuro, we will welcome you. There's a lot of discontent in Karachi and a big vacuum of power. Karachi is the most diverse and populated city of Pakistan- any revival of left needs to start from here
Much needed! Thank you shehzad🌹
We need people like him in the subcontinent
Hi young force of Pakistan u r the conscious democrats across the board we the old or the past generation did not succeed but we surely did contribute with what ever we could honestly I am glad your generation is seriously committed to persu the principles democratically. Usman Baloch
Such an enlightenment 👌♥️
" How can democracy take hold ..when it is uprooted so often " ? - Pres Clinton oblique reference on Pervez Musharaf.
great discussion lots of love from india
a i just think any left political party will not work in pakistan since as far as i know for any political party to rise in pakistan its needs suppourt of 'establishment' and since you guys have said so many times that army should not intervene in politics i dont think left wing will see a rise or suppourt also voters have also been immune to right wing ideology
41:28 who will takeover factories and lands?
Ammar Ali Jan ki awaz echo Hoti rehti h
Bro muhajiro pr bhi itna hi zulma hoa hey jitna pathano or balocho pr hoa hey.
But log muhajiro k lye itna nhi boltay phalay to on becharo se identity chentay hey hey or phir on pr kalay kanoon nafiz krtay hey.
Hattsoff to Ammar Ali Jan and also Shezad Ghias for recognized it as a issue.
Foreign will imposition nahin chahtay ho to kya kiya foreign interference ko roknay ke liye?
Thanks
You need to bring more students on the podcast. Anyhow love listen to your every podcast
What about Sindh it is choked by Pathans and Punjabi have any answers
Thanku Bhai ♥️
Ammar has previously explained the nationalism wali baat on Uzair Younus's Pakistonomy. Dont you guys watch each other's show? I thought you guys were friends.
thumbs up 👍
the fact that in the previous podcast with hussain haqqani, you were direly talking against pakistan having a fantasy for conspiracy theories, yet you start off this one with a conspiracy theory itself. 🤦🤣🤣. just into 8:05... will listen to all of this. shahzad.. i always try to be optimistic towards your side of history and narrative and also try to come with a neutral mind, but always after hour of listening, disappointment never faded. still i will acknowledge that i get to learn something new and logical in tit bits.
@@ThePakistanExperience yup
@@ThePakistanExperience So please just confirm that according to your sources and a complete B.S thrown by BBC, Gen Bajwa came into PM office in a helicopter, becoz imran was going to sack him and make someone of his liking as the next COAS. Gen bajwa and another beat the shit out of imran in process and then imran had to run back to bani gala. by the way i do have a very very close source of myself for waht happened that day. and lets just set aside media reporting as a proof to justify that its not a conspiracy theory(which it completely is). A report that shahzad ghias is talking logic will not be reported by the media, while a news that shahzad married meera will be a complete headline, even if its not true at all. so the love for conspiracy theories in our media is no less.
Also fully agree with Ammars view of the left. Most of the left is occupied by Boomer babey who are obsessed with Lenin and Mao and haven't yet grasped that we live in 2022 and intersectionality is a thing. Their ideological dogma really excludes people. At the same time, I wish to understand how Ammar expects the varying opinions within his party to not clash in the future. Hypothetically speaking, once you achieve your common goal, your ideological differences will make it difficult for you to get along and function coherently
But from the moment the vote of no confidence is tabled,
PM to maintain the status quo. First he has to prove his majority in the house of Parliament.
It shouldn’t be allowed to interrupt Ammar
Yar aaj aapkey aur program pakistan creation pe dekh. Chapak jatey ho. Chhorhtatey nahein ho. 1972 there young MangI actor as pt in Dow medical used to live near old taj hotel or karachi club. Was or any relation to you
I will vote for them if they have a candidate in Rawalpindi in next elections
Abolish feudalism of any type
❤️❤️
Ammar bhai you are a man who has audacity to speak against brutal forces .Up up left up 🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰
keep it up vro
bhai tavleen singh ko bula le please
My God! Intervention from Army Chief is good when it is against Khan? I find the mantra 'everything is justifiable against Khan' quite hypocritical from you lot. Baki har governments ke fault military pe daaltay ho Shehzad bhai is daur ki military ke fault govt pe. I know Imran Khan's government had many failings but Shehzad I am sorry and I have no polite words to say it, but it is extremely hypocritical.
Baki as always listening to Ammar Ali Jan is awesome.
Feel like I'm stuck in an infinite loop when someone tries to defend anything about Immy and his policies.
Intervention isn't good period. However Imran Khan came into power through intervention, and along the way lost his marbles when the power got to him. Morphed into a Frankenstein so to speak.
Other than planting trees he couldn't claim a single visible accomplishment. And then on top of it, tried his level best to drag Forces in when the going got tough.
Let's not fall into misguided beliefs by goons who are being paid to tip the social media war in Immy's favour.
@@shrug-lin1501 Quite disappointing! He literally says military invention from Bajwa against Khan was good knowing very well Bajwa was saving his own ass. Listening to his podcasts for some time I am well aware of this lot’s bias against Khan. Take principled stances and stop being hypocrites. I voted for him and criticized him every single day on the all of the issues mentioned by Prof. Ammar. The host of the show is extremely biased and has a strong anti-Khan bias. I could literally count thousand example of stupid BS!
@@shrug-lin1501 You and some of these khooni liberals are some of the most disingenuous blatant lying Leftist scum on planet earth. Imran's achievements are there for all to see like trying to cut deficit and increasing exports and this after the economy was given to him on ventilator and broken. He was in the midst of rebalancing our economy from Import led to export led which was what Pakistan needed. He handled Covid really well and Pakistans export sector was growing under his watch. real GDP grew 5.3% in 3 years of governance. Lets be real this regime change is the army's doing. Army needs a base of support to propel anyone into Power and PTI had genuine support among vast scores of Pakistanis even if army also did back Imran khan in 2018. You bloddy Khooni liberals can bark all you like but genuine Patriot Pakistanis will bring back Justice to the people of Pakistan. Thats what PTI is Movement for justice. Justice for the ordinary Pakistani against the imposed Khooni Liberals like our young dynastic khusra Bhutto and N leauges vast corruption empire. This time blood will be shed and im glad its gonna be Liberals stew. People like you cannot win the soul of Pakistan. Pakistan deep state needs to come to grips with the coming storms.
@@MK-yg7zf The only leader in living memory who could have brought the army under civilian control was Imran khan. PTI was supposed to be the AKP of Pakistan. Erdogan after the coup attempt brought the army under the civilian heels. Liberals as always being the social justice burger eaters they are lost the best chance for the military to be refocused on its original mandate killing Indians and freeing Kashmir. Not micro managing residential colonies and making and selling cereals. Whats the end game? Khooni liberals and their whiskey drinking general/soldier friends are all content at the state of affairs. While 20 million Pakistanis are out of school..and a whole generation is raised as their house servants and drivers so that when they come back to Pakistan from their multimillion flats and houses in london/sydney/dc/Toronto they can enjoy the best of both worlds. It works out so beautifully for them doesn't it.
ideology is never a historical..every period in history has produced a dominant ideology
You are having high hopes and talking about superb policies but all around the world capitalist lobbies don't let you do that look at Bernie Sanders in USA he is trying hard since many many years but still not fully succeeding 💔
اُردو میں بات کیا کرو بھائی آپکی وڈیو کونسی انگریزوں نے دیکھنی ہوتی ہیں
Shahzad English sindhi mein yar. Lamba kar ke bore karey ho. Freedom comes not by talks but through the mouth of gun. If punjabi Stan army rangers are killed daily and dead body sent to punjab will bring change of punjabi rule. Mahajir dadagir hey sindh bewacouf lazy without aim. So now uu know what mess is pakistan .no body is Pakistani but punjabi Stan royal army country
Sir bus ap qouta system pr bol dey ap k bari mherbani Hogi.
I love treason but i hate traitor .
Julius ceaser .
🚩🚩♥️
this channel is only against Imran Khan
I know you IK fans have really short attention spans, but you really should watch the whole video. Maybe you'll actually learn something.
According to youthyas everyone against imran kutta
@@ShumilaAhmad Yeah we learned what disingenuous rats sound like.
that's how bhaktas of Modi here in India 🇮🇳 react whenever when someone speaks against him. Ignore the bhaktas of IK as we do bhaktas of Modi here
Abey to Imran Khan Kia insaan nuhi hai. Why can't we criticize him? And why can't you logically reply to all his criticisms rather than acting like fascists. (Also Google fascism and self reflect)