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So What and the Loonaverse
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ส.ค. 2024
- Thanks so much for watching!
Big thanks to the amazing ZSunder for the "Where You At" and "Butterfly" remade instrumentals as well as the "BURN" instrumental demo.
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Hi guys, I want to clarify something after having a few DMs with people. I did not intend to insinuate that Twinfish left the fandom due to her ideas about the lore being challenged with So What. I was merely using her very noted departure as an example of how the Lore side of the fandom had ALREADY start to shift - whether that be people moving on to other interests or otherwise. I should have made that clearer and I apologise for not doing so.
I personally believe that So What is a reboot that begins directly after all the solos and subunits. It ignores Hi High and Butterfly. The teasers for So What were talking about the other side of the moon and how no one knew what was over there. So that is what we are seeing - the untold side of LOONA.
The description for So What talks about HeeJin meeting Olivia at the end of Egoist, but it leaves out any mention of Hi High or Butterfly. So that is why Olivia is throwing the torch and burning the moon - because Hi High never happened, she never forgave Yves for leaving her in Eden. She's still pissed off.
I also think it is a big middle finger to Jaden, burning his LOONAverse to the ground and starting over.
This leaves a lot of room for the story to grow now, with Olivia creating so much conflict.
Maybe like Choerry's opposite figure reflected in her mirror in LCM... :3
“Big middle finger to Jaden,” i like that!
I don't know if I paint Olivia Hye as the villain in this one. Heejin watches on with concern as the moon burns but the rest just seem to be watching. I thought perhaps they knew it would happen but who knows. I also think Heejin is from Hi High side but again who knows? :)
Little House of Geeky isn’t heejin from the butterfly side? Because in one of the teasers for so what she had the butterfly clothes on
maybe it's a separate reality- parallel universe, which applies to cheorry's mirror realm world
Glad this video exists, it should be shown to all orbits, at least those that are deadset lore is dead and that “Loona lost what makes them special”. No, its definitely there. In fact, I think the teasers lately, since butterfly, have been used conceptually to provide the lore while the MVs have been use ofc 1)promote the song & choreo but also 2) to give more of the lore but in a more direct and accessible way, easier to digest for new orbits and for casual listeners / those who do not care much for lore. I dont truly believe they’ll ever fully let go of the one thing that does set Loona apart.
Thank you for saying! And absolutely. I mean storylines are coming back to pop culture we can see it in BTS it's a huge draw for the fans so I wouldn't be surprised if they kept it up
@aneli beyli they haven't, quit being so negative. they can always get more people to help them, and there are more comebacks to come. so lets not say "they're getting bland" because they haven't. at least i don't think they have.
@aneli beyli Loona is not bland without the lore. We love the girls not the lore. Even if they confirms that there is no lore anymore, there are still orbits who will support them no matter what.
@@ericccky THANK YOU!
@aneli beyli well.. considering that they've been looking for a new A&R/creative director since last year & that job post ended in june.. and the description for it included "storytelling and word building" as what they were looking for in a new director, that tells me that bbc does want to include lore but at this point in time, idk if they ever found someone or not. We'll have to see. Regardless, its there. Its just not as convoluted as it was before. The girls will be fine.
I feel like So What is the beginning of part 2 for this story... like, all the girls are together, sharing the same space and now is time to fullfil their mission... and the moon sets on fire by the share amount of power between this interdimesional beigns... or something like that idk haha.
Oh that's really interesting! Yes it seems like they are all very powerful now that they are together and confident.
And i know this is kinda far fetched, but it seems that in the next part of the loonaverse, they are going to be facing a greater threat. Kind of like this one big villain, like a cosmic entity/eldritch abomination. Because in "to all loonas around the world" the reversed audio that we hear in the beginning is an excerpt from the movie: "Bride of the Gorilla," and that specific line "it has been known to attack humans as well" references/alludes to/implies of a jungle demon known as Succarath in which they(the characters in the scene) talk about.
Its possible that the girls will have a solid villain that they would eventually have to fight in order to resolve the conflict, maybe its Succarath itself or something else similar to it, maybe its just something metaphorical as well,,, either way i'm hyped for the next comebacks uWu
and oh yah, with this whole succarath thing, i'm getting exo vibes with the red force villain thing djdjkdd
@@theaterdude7772 Wow I hadn't thought much on that for the future! Honestly I always saw it as focused on them but that's super cool
yeah but haseul.,.., shes not there so idk what that means (i dont think it was just a hiatus for her mental health honestly, bbc would 100% do smth like that)
Choerry peer pressuring Hyejoo to jump to her death akdjkskjdsk
Never thought about how bizarre Hi High MV could look to a new fan
Haha so much creepy but it definitely drew me in
wait i didnt even notice that and im a new fan ahah
As what Yves said on IDOL CHART someone said about the loonaverse Yves said it the loonaverse keep expanding there is no ending, there is an ending an open ending, so yeah the loonaverse still going on 😊 So what it is like a another series or chapter of their story
Like a mobius strip. :3
Exactly! I don't think we will ever get firm answers to everything but I personally love that!
I really hope Loona goes Creepy Concept. I rly like the vague or subtle creepy things in Loona's MVs and Short Films. i rly think they need an antagonist. Or a conflict that'll break loona apart, and for them to go back to their subunits. Then when reunited again, the concept will be confusion and trust. Them questioning eachother and their ownselves. It's too dark for a concept, but i rly think this will be a good Arc in the Loonaverse.
I would LOVE to see that. They've danced around creepy with 1/3 and some of the teasers but more? YES!
@Fywp Fywp yeah i want a subtle type of creeepy, like details creepy alone. Love4eva for example, it got a creepy mv but an upbeat song. thou u're right, red velvet do have the subtle creepy details on their mv mixed with their 'Red' concept
I just want to add, Kim Lip's animal is the owl. Owls represent wisdom and learning in many places, especially Ancient Greece. In So What, she is standing in front of a building that has "Cathedral of Learning" at the front of it. Coincidence? I don't think so. I'm not sure this has any plot significance, but I just wanted to add.
Not standing, sitting. Oops!
Yes exactly! So much hidden meaning and references for us :)
maybe that means she's learning (discovering) the back of the moon that nobody has known before, and she's learning to be her true other self :>
But that's not in greece, Greece is orthodox lol
@@hopstepjump69 I apologize, I meant something like Greek mythology. (Learned this from the Percy Jackson series and a google search so asdfghjkl). Yes, I know Greece is orthodox now but I was referring to Ancient Greece/mythology, which is used more for storytelling purposes than a religion nowadays (Fall of Icarus, Pandora's Box, etc.)
Honestly the loonaverse looks and sounds really big and scary. But as a new orbit it really didn’t take me that long to figure it out
Haha yes well it really turns some of us into intellectual theorists and I feel so smart watching all the videos on colour theory and so on! But I dont think that everyone is so keen on it and could find all the complex stuff quite hard to get their head around which is ok too :)
what videos did you use to figure it out
@@r875v i suggest you to watch Daebak jjang videos, i learned everything from there. And i understood rather quickly
but i loved the confusing theories it was like reading a book, D_:
but i understand they need to appeal to the mass to survive
Don't get me wrong, I love the theories too. Mine keep changing! I just made this in response to the insane negativity towards # era
LOOΠΔ: all about leaving the trodden track and challenging expectations
Everyone: liked that
LOOΠΔ: leaves their trodden track and challenges expectations
Everyone: *surprised pikachu face*
In all seriousness, thank you for making this video. It's a shame that a lot of Orbits have not looked passed their own discomfort to see what LOOΠΔ has given us this comeback.
Lmao!
My theory is that they are trying to destroy the Mobius strip that they live in, which has trapped them in a loop if events, and escape the LOONAverse. In Hi High, they finally found each other, and tried to jump and fly in Butterfly, but a mishap caused by GoWon made them fail. She created an alternate timeline where the women we see in Butterfly from around the world became the LOONA members, which threw off the balance. They are also, like you said, trying to help these other women. They are succesful in that sense, but not in the others. Heejin fixed this and they tried again in So What using their powers, as seen in the moon burning, but the feather symbolizing the Loonaverse did not burn up. Why it did not, i don't know. This means that they will have to go on another quest to destroy the Mobius strip imprisoning them and subsequently escape the LOONAverse. I read this in the comments and thought it made sense. I'm a new orbit, so forgive me if there are any plot holes.
Why do you think that it's Gowon's mishap?
Nhat Huynh I don’t know. I think it ties into the theory somehow. As I said, this theory is not my own, so I do not fully understand it. I am in fact looking for those who could further explain it.
I think they already broke the loop. The cameo at the very end of so what says "FREE"
And why Gowon need to find Haseul in xiix teaser? Does Gowon need something on Haseul?
She probably needs Haseul to fully complete the mission. She needs all 12 girls to be there. Haseul's hiatus wasn't just for her own health. It ties into the lore. The feather didn't burn because Haseul is still stuck in the Loonaverse.
This also works because Haseul was trying to destroy herself by killing the white bird in Let Me In.
I realised during editing that I didn't address B#RN specifically and all I can add is that it is another facet to my point about how So What challenged a lot of preconceived notions. B#RN was built up to an idealistic and impossible standard over the course of 10 months and So What could never compete with that. I'm glad they utilised #1, however. It's a great intro to So What.
I've completely changed my views on So What and the loonaverse itself, thank you.
Wow that's great to hear! Thank you so much :)
As with the LOONAverse we got from predebut (the one with Olivia killing Vivi and Choerry having mirror portals), I have some theory:
- Firrstly, it still continue in so what.
- For who hasn't know, what had happened in Hi High and Butterfly (as in the major theory) is that they gathered and tried making changes in oder to break free from the mobius they're living in, which restrains and puts them into an endless loop. They tried jumping (Hi HIgh) and flying (Butterfly) but failed.
- For So what, there was a significant change in their style, the whole history was rewritten. Some scenes from the MV was actually the events in the LOONAverse that we've seen, but happened in a radically different way. (Choerry and Hyunjin, Kim Lip and Heejin, Chuu and Gowon from HI High; Kim Lip and Yves in their solo MV).
- Yeojin in this universe are not in the forest, but Haseul does (or somehow disappear).
- Olivia take the power from the changes and put the LOONAverse into fire.
The question is: Did they succeed?
- They did, look at the FREE in the end.
- They didn't. The feather, which represent the LOONAverse (seen in some XX and # teasers) didn't burn out.
Some side notes/minor ideas:
- Haseul was challenged to choose between peace and knowledge (in let me in), she chose knowledge, killed her other self and lost Yeojin, with the help of Jinsoul, they reunit. In this second time, she chose peace from the first place and lost herself (Idk, maybe it's really because of her illness).
- Maybe the feather was actually Haseul, she will recover strong and come back with us.
- Hi High is OEC's idea (you can see they finding each other in Girl Front, the songs sounds similar).
- Butterfly is Yves and Gowon's idea (the songs share the same theme - self-love, their colors appears in the teasers, and Gowon is apparently a butterfly).
- So what is Olivia Hye's idea (she burns stuff in her solo MV, she's the girl crush and more, So what has so many resemblance to her MV).
That's all, thank you for reading :)
Yeah the loonaverse is still expanding and growing, I know she saw the music video and read the lyrics well, the loonaverse is still going. What Yves recently said it is still expanding, but I am kinda curious about twinfish youtube channel why he/she down the youtube channel? 😟
Lemme add some tidbits if you mind...
The red neon korean sign in OEC's Sweet Crazy Love where Kim Lip is running translates as "The Back of the Moon". Maybe Kim Lip holds a bigger role in So What era... just sayin'... :)
@@prodigal4963 We don't know why really. She previously privatised them and made them public last year so I have a feeling she was a bit conflicted with what to do in regards to Loona videos. Maybe she just wanted to move on.
Thanks for sharing your theories!
What if it was Chuu's idea?
*cutesy, bubbly, and gay LOONA intensifies*
I get that Butterfly might be deemed as lacking lore, but So What has A LOT of lore!
ps: great video!
Agreed and cheers!
I don't get why anyone thought Butterfly was lacking lore? They clearly just didn't understand it.
Hyunjin's "Tic tac toe, O or X" line from So What basically summarizes the entire plot of Butterfly and then So What: the members have to filter through the other women of the world to find each other! This analogy is clever because of the X literally looking like a Butterfly too (and the XX album).
Butterfly is an altered timeline caused by Gowon (how fitting), in which other women around their world essentially become the LOONA members instead. Heejin fixes this in the # timeline which leads to the members finally uniting at the end of So What.
The international women are not just props, but very much part of the story how LOONA has to find each other. Without Butterfly's MV being edited the way it was, that message would've been completely lost.
@@ubergamer2010 OMG do you mind if I copy your comment I want to spread this theory
@@professorhistoire5349 I think more people need to appreciate Butterfly, so yes go ahead!
There is no lacking on the Butterfly there are a lot of references in that video the Apple fro Yves, eye patch from Jinsoul, the mansion house of yyxy, even the butterfly of GoWon, a lot of things there is no lack of lore.
Loonaverse went to fanstey to straight up end of Evangelion
Pretty shocking ending but wow!
I don't have any brain cell but if a channel makes loonaverse theory, I respect them, subscribe to them and watch their contents even if I don't understand a thing! I support you girl! Keep this going! Fighting!!
How lovely are you! Thank you so much for the support and I'm trying to come up with new things regarding artistic choices and themes in Loona videos!
I think orbits needs to share this video as much as possible to let everyone know that 1st the lore dead and 2nd "don't be afraid to get into loona bcs of the lore 😂"
And... You... Might be working for BBC bcs this is way too 💎
Thank you for saying!
Thank you for this video. I've been trying to articulate my feelings about So What and the "#" era for so long and I think you've done so perfectly. Hopefully some of the long time Orbits can find this video too and understand where you're coming from.
Thank you so much! Yes well I don't really ever make youtube videos but the onslaught of negativity made me so frustrated I was compelled to defend So What!!
In my opinion what i got from this comeback:
I saw that MV as Olivia story line in her LORE. wasn't she the one in her teaser pre-bebut pictures ''that she was the destroyer'' or something in those lines !?
She was holding the torch, the electronic sound like imitating a wolf growling at the very beginning of the MV.
Since they cannot break the loop by running in motion, they burning it.
Yeah I get that idea from it, too.
@@LittleHouseofGeeky Also at the Bridge part, when everyone turning into darkness the ones easily ''convince'' to join are Yves and Kim Lip (They like SUPER ready to go they are in the dark/red aura), while Heejin is terrify, ViVi was almost behind Olivia actions by hiding her face the whole time, until Olivia does the deed, ViVi reveal her true self when everything is burning, no more in hiding. What she wished for is finally done ! (Also she is the very 1st member trying to break the Möbius strip since her reveal)
The only members who seem to be kept in the light are YeoJin, GoWon (Surrounded with butterflies) and ''Haseul'' (the feathers did not burn), So my guess would be their next comeback would be about those 3 bringing back the members back into the light ?
Like you said the Theory is not dead is just more settle and use a lot of cinematography for their story telling and the existing Lore with symbolism.
For the fans to Just notice *shrug*
Also Kim Lip solo MV whole building was made as a Temple (decrepit but still a temple) of the Ultra feminity of the moon, the cercle she dance on could be said to be an altar and in SO What she is in a different temple (Luxurious/RIch temple) ''Cathedral of Learning'' She is not innocent no more she is ALL knowing. She is not at the altar no more she roam her kingdom lot of Symbolism and story Arc for a lot of members if you ask me.
The Twin Moons with Choerry and HyunJin which i feel will play out in their next comeback.
Also Olivia holding a torch as if she was Prometheus (Prometheus brings fire to mankind / as punishement his torment by the eagle feeding on his flesh) Wich is like foreshadowing of Haseul (The bird) not burning from her flammes of destruction.
@@etienne8792 Yeah Vivi really interested me here. There were people mentioned that she's different from the beginning and honestly it seems pretty true. I think that perhaps she is way more aware of what's happening and is maybe some kind of guardian figure.
And I love these references you're connecting them with wow! Prometheus!!! I love it!!!
@@LittleHouseofGeeky Also Olivia is like Sailor Saturn ! possessing powers associated with silence and ruin, nothingness, destruction, death, and rebirth that made her a potential threat as she can wipe out a planet and even an entire galaxy or reset its evolution. Just sayin !
Thank you so much for this! It was perfectly said.
And I had no idea that twinfish deleted her accounts.. it’s sad because the Loonaverse has always been open to interpretation. That’s why theories are so fun, everyone has their own take on it and none of them are technically wrong.
She could have just leave them there and move on. But I respect her choice nonetheless.
coffeebean she didn’t just delete them because she was wrong though she’s actually having a baby. a friend of hers posted about it on twitter a while back
@a I’m not sure what having a baby has to do with deleting videos. ^^; Unless she thought she’d feel pressured to come back and make more. In any case I agree with the other commenter, I respect her decision.
@@ascholz429 Oh, I didn't see that! I got the impression that she was conflicted because she had already privatised them a while ago.
@@ascholz429 Oh, I didn't see that! I got the impression that she was conflicted because she had already privatised them a while ago.
I think the shift from establishing lore and utilizing lore makes people assume that plot isn’t being moved.
YES!
It's already been confirmed by Olivia Hye that there's no more official lore. It's all up to what the fans imagination. BBC's shift from putting so much emphasis on the lore is one of the things that cause Jaden to leave. And because of how Jaden is, he took almost everything he had made for LOONA. One example is the song Sage by OnlyOneOf, which was meant for LOONA but Jaden took it with him when he moved onto OOO. He most likely took LOONA's lore with him as well. We know there was official lore because Choerry had mentioned before that her and the members would stay up late reading and studying the lore.
NOOO
It doesn’t really matter tho, the lore was popular because of all the hidden clues and many connections people could make, no one actually knows if their assumptions are correct. Even if there is no official lore if they add meaningful scenes to their MVs the Loona lore will survive within the fandom
Considering the fact that OnlyOneOf has a lore as well, moreover taking place in Eden, it can be a possibility...
I think it's funny how OOO got a song originally meant for LOONA while the girls have a song that was meant to be for the boys (Chaotic)!
source? where did she state that?
because if thats true then i have no business getting into this group more, i really liked the concept, lore and some songs but if next comeback is not gonna divert from usual kpop stuff then imma pass
now they've released their most lore heavy teaser, so yeah the loonaverse isnt dead 🙈🙈
music as well
HI guys I'm from the later/ second half of 2020 and loona's comeback "why not" was just realeased. I'm not going to get into details (cause that would be WAY to long!!) but I think Why Not is So What from another perspective/ point of view. So What is the dark side, Why Not is earth's perspective or maybe the other side of the moon. There was a TON of references to past mvs, teasers, etc. The reference that I think is one of the coolest is Chorerry sitting upside down in the mirror with odd eye circle's colors surrounding her. It's just like love cherry motion but the other side/ the flipped side of the mobiüs strip. Also let me point out how in So What there was a lot of different vehicles driving but none of the members were driving, never has any loona member driven in an MV. But in Why Not vivi, there were others too I think, was driving a car. Loona has taken control you could say.
In summary, Why Not is centered around the other side, the flip side of the mobiüs strip, and Odd Eye Circle. O.E.C.'s colors red, blue, and purple are CONSTANTLY in Why Not. All in all, Why Not is nothing new, it's just a different perspective/ side of the story (I think) :)
*criesincult*why-y do i-i siff h-have to be new to dis fandom i-i cant
THE PHYSICS!!!!!!!!
@@LittleHouseofGeeky guhiertueoitgb- i laughed to hard
And then Why Not came along and changed everything because of how packed full of lore the MV is
I still think So What is a huge development in their story but Why Not definitely leaned more into the vague confusing side of Loona lmao
@@LittleHouseofGeeky i’m so glad Wynot was the way it was because I’m sure it convinced many people who thought the lore was dead that it wasn’t. It isn’t dead, it’s just twisting and turning and surprising everyone like any good story should.
Yes finally someone who I can trust with my theories
That username lord help you jesus
(Thank you so much xx)
Little House of Geeky lmao
This video is great. Thanks for making it.
Thank YOU for watching it!
thank you so much for this video, it's just that I love the loona lore so much and even the thought of it ending so abruptly like that just because jj left makes me cry, so this kinda gave me hope lol
Watching this again before 'Midnight' and I want to cry. This is so beautiful.
this is such a great video 👏👏 im just recently starting to stan loona and i was very overwhelmed with all the lore, and i was confused what the messages were, but this really cleared some things up! please make more videos about the loonaverse and the lore/messages!!!
Thank you!!! Yes I am thinking of going over all the music videos with this style
I THINK "SO WHAT" is the beginning of part 2 look at it closely and watch the end of the video and in the train very closely.
This video was spot on about the message of Loona which is so close to my heart i almost teared up ♥ You described perfectly why they are one of the most unique kpop groups out there
Aw that's so sweet! Loona brought me to make a video defending them haha!
you have such a soft, soothing voice. great video💖
aw shucks
Random :
0:52 I don't remember that one but it's actually me 😅😂
Hey there! She first privatised her account for a while (then made them public again) but sadly has now deleted everything :(
If you are still keen to watch her series, thankfully most of her videos are re-uploaded by fans. Just search Twinfish reuploaded and they should come up! I also recommend Loonazworld (amazing theories about shadow and mirrors) and Croissant de Loona (if you haven't checked them out already!)
@@LittleHouseofGeeky thx. I was looking for something to keep me busy and high during the epidemic. i wanted to buy some drugs but loona's theories will do just as fine 😂😂😂
YOU ALL SHOULD SEE THE SHADOW THEORY, ITS SO GOOD AND MAKES SO WHAT HAVE ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE THAT NOBODY KNOWS
OMG I LOVE THE SHADOW THEORY!!! It really opened up a whole new world of theories
Hmmm. I've never thought of it this way. That's fascinating! Great job!
Thanks for saying! Always remember to ask the film you are watching what it is trying to tell you ;)
The loonaverse can’t be over for sure now! There was SO much there with Why Not and I love it! 💖 I’m not good with theories but I’m excited to see how this fits in with the loonaverse 😁
thank you for making this video and easing away this vague uneasy feeling i have towards so what.
i've never been a very stern person that said loonaverse is dead or smth like that, but i do feel like its a bit doused away, even though some parts relieved me like choerry x hyunjin imagery, the apocalyptic scene, the un-burning feather, etc, i was still worried.
but this video relieves me even more, it gives me hope to loonaverse because if i'm being honest, it's one of the biggest thing that attracts me to loona.
p.s. i also do hope they did not abandon away the rest of the lore behind so what, with a mere excuse of "new pages", "rebirth", or something like that :(
Thank you for saying and I am so happy to see my message was heard by some of you :)
I mean we don't know what's to come but I reckon they'd understand that music videos with a strong focus on filmography and storytelling is an incredibly strong asset to a group. BTS or Gidle are also showing that.
I’m so glad Lee Sooman is making an SM universe bc he’s basically the one making sure that Loona still exists and he’s very interested in stuff like that, and this is just further confirmation that he wants to keep the Loonaverse alive.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS PLEASE MAKE MORE LOONA THEORIES :)💜💜
Thank you so much for saying! x
I think so what was pretty symbolic and the teasers transmitted a lot of the lore.
I've seen this a few times now and want to thank you for making such a thoughtful video
That is incredibly kind. Thank you.
nooo, loved twinfish so much. she was so hardworking with an intellectual mind. I WILL MISS HER...😪
Her videos were ICONIC.
the video is so well made, thank you! new orbit here
Thank you :) Welcome to the craziness haha!
This is such a beautifully thought out and well worded video
How nice of you! Wow thank you
I dont understand the hate for so what. Its such a good song and loonas uniqueness didnt disapear. Its just a little bit more calm. This way its easier for new fans to understand the story. Loona will be different all the time.
I agree :) x
PERIOD!!! I LOVE THIS VIDEO
PERIODT
omg thanks for this video! now i understand loonaverse better
Oh that's great to hear thank you! Don't forget that the lore is very open to interpretation so it's all about what you think it is!
That video was great and I totally agree with your opinion
I hope that you'll have the chance to post more videos :)
Thanks mate! I had no idea I'd get this many views so I'm thinking!! :)
I'm very late here 🤣 but I always thought so what was a direct sequel to butterfly, continuing that storyline and it makes a lot of sense to me
i think the so what music video had CLEAR messages that could apply to the loonaverse. idk how people could think there was nothing
Really great video essay. Subbed and looking forward to your next work.
Thank you so much for the support!
I hate when they say the lore is dead and So What does not capsulate Loona. One of those people is my brother and I have arguments about it. He and anyone else doesn’t see the progression in the story of the Loonaverse . He is still caught up with the previous visuals i.e. the tape recorder, the white converse, and the apple. Maybe in their next comeback they may explain their contribution in this universe and how they may not conform to the mainstream society, but rather molding to their values and beliefs. Remember there is an Eve in this story.
Apples are still a thing, but the tape recorder is only significant predebut, and the converse has changed color.
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Well said!
i love you thank you so much for this video
Oh hell no bbc just released another teaser💀💀💀
5:15 They gain confidence but some of them no lines tho... 😂
Oh it's really frustrating isn't it! Vivi especially looked quite upset in a few vids during So What promotion :(
what about the fact that olivia takes off her collar like in butterfly's teaser?
I saw it this week and my mind got blown
It's so great~ So many little details everywhere
twinfish didn't delete her channel and social media cos she didn't think she was right. she stated that she thought differently of some of her old theories. but the main reason was cos she's having a baby soon and wanted to take time to adjusting to being a new mother.
I never said she was wrong or thought she was wrong, I showed what one of her friends said as an example of the shift of ideas with fans :) No hate here
Little House of Geeky Oh no, I didn’t take it as hate lol. Maybe it was the wording. But yeah, there was a definite shift in her theorizing. I think your video also presented great points in how post o12 debut has been a setup for the evolution in the overall Loonaverse. I don’t think it’s dead but bbc has definitely had to compromise in order to make the mvs more accessible to the general public whereas the teasers continue to be very “art house”
@@l.o.c.1719 Ah okay no worries! Yeah I realise looking back I accidentally made a connection between Twinfish and Orbits' reactions to So What oops!
Okay so... now it's just more complicated xD
lmaoo TRUE! I'm going to make a video about just HOW complicated it all is, now. Stay tuned!
I really hope that Loona would someday go on a sort of creepy direction and explore morally gray characters in their universe. Because when Olivia sets the fire in so what, the other girls just seem to be watching while Heejin looks on in concern? Olivia is usually the one painted as the bad guy but is she the only villain in the story?
If I may, I dont understand why some people do not seem to understand what So What means as far as the Loonaverse is concerned. Here, the girls are "burning themselves". After coming together in "Hi High" and "recruiting" or inspiring many Loonas in the world in "Butterfly" begin to create their own world by not accepting the fate of the moon. So, yeah, I believe other comments are correct, with Butterfly as a sort of bridge between parts 1 and 2, "So What" begins part 2 when they begin to construct what they are meant or what they wanted to do, to create a world where we are free from the things that the old universe assigns to us.
Yes, BBC may have toned down on the Lore but it continues.
Honsstly, I find it odd that theory making seemed to have stopped after "Hi High" or to a certain extent, after "Butterfly".(I do not find any playlist that continue their MV analyses until "Why Not". They usually end at "Hi High") But with "New Moon" coming, I hope that MV analysis makers have to update their playlists and add new videos (because I love those videos, and am excited for more). So, yeah, what I think Im trying to say is I'm thankful for this video as it extends the lore explanation until "So What".
(To add, I believe some of the mistakes in theory making is the notion that Ohye killed Vivi, and the emphasis on Ohye's "resentment" of other yyxy members. Egoist was about Ohye's journey towards loving herself fully and redirecting her anger from self-hate to hatred of "Eden". That is why in a short teaser-like video released after love4eva, we see Ohye finally learning to love herself and finding out that she is one with the other girls. Leading up to "Hi High" where she takes the jump after being summoned by the OEC, and with Yves waiting for her to do so. Once that is cleared, Ohye's burning of the old moon in "So What" would perfectly make sense. It is not an act of anger against any of the other girls. It is the final act she had to make to create a new world with Loona. And in the final scene, we see a bird's feather being unburnt. From fire will arise something new like a Phoenix. Which, brings us again to the "New Moon" comeback, where I believe Haseul will be important.)
AN AUSSIE ORBIT???
Maaaattteeeeee
Even if the lore may be taken out of being such a pivotal part of the group, I believe orbits can carry it on because I’ve seen some of the best theories from fans - I guess the lore will be kept alive by the fans and there’s nothing wrong with that
That's a lovely perspective to have on it. x
I will say it Again. Even if Loonaverse is over, i don't care. Why? I love the girls not the lore. I will still support them no matter what.
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Aw thanks! I'm not great at sticking to it so sorry if I don't upload much x
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Um I'm new to Loona and is watching every mv Idk anything about the loonaverse but on star which people are saying is the end u go to there yt page and it has ' star' it says ' Loona has announced the starry festival' so like the rv festival it will have more parts.
PERIOD PERIOD PERIOD
7:51 lmaoo me too but i think it's hyejoo jumping from eden down to earth with the other yyxy members
I think SO WHAT is their DARK SIDE i mean evil side versions awaking and by that they’re destroying their space to connect w their good side and they did but too much powered that they killed the good side Haseul which we can see white feathers in the end of the vid and so in WHY NOT the good and bad side become one and decided to go back to time (reverse) and fix what the dark side have done. its like they’re summoning Haseul back
LOL i’m sorry this is just my theory
o wait- i think white Haseul is already dead cos in LET ME IN the Haseul killed the white haseul it could be the Haseul in LET ME IN is the dark version(?) just trying to fuse with the white but instead the dark killed the white. Is this why the airplane was never fixed in LET ME IN(?) and so the DARK haseul just pretended she’s a good one and that is why she’s not in the DARK SIDE of “so what” and reason why Haseul is dead bc she’s not balanced EVIL n GOOD(yinyang) when the DARK side fuses w GOOD side
I love this!
So what era could be the next different theory and scription ( just like we have another loonaverse but another story with the same members and storytelling ) it could be about youth, past, or some another like that. But fuck yes, i still full of happiness when jaden jeong left bbc bcs his theory is a little lame abt 3 difference worlds. And then how to collect LOON∆ members too. Thats my opinion.
I love this take!
this video essay is incredible.
i do think your mic is a bit too quiet,but that is easily remedied
It's an instrument mic that's why. You should have heard it before I edited it lol!
5:07 *the girl in red **_if you will_*
I want the storyline....
Did you guys saw the new teaser?
Kpop and narrative
Few groups are bold enough to build a universe, story for each member, and follow it for Fandom Entertaiment and Cinematography purpose Exo, alongside with Loona, kept doing even in silly summer or winter singles. Thats why I am only orbit and exol. I love singularity.
Aint easy. The team has to plan every album and future promotions with more precision, even the member center chosen for each comeback. The most important, feed fans with curiosity, not boredom. EXO seemed to end their story of power aliens in 2019 forever!
Loona isnt just a cute story. Loona isnt just a group with 'pretentious' plot, predebut project, diverse discography. They are saying NO
NO for making a group target one public, (the most popular male)
NO, for only one concept, one type of structure and choreo and style
No, for being either Internationalized or Korean market
Loona is fresh air, and without their biggest mentor and creator, they are free from a methodic work.
The old way Loona was living didnt include much some members in the main course, and kinda separated all the subunits without conncetion.
The company needs to treat Loona better, bc it is a masterpiece. All the girls are solid and multifaceted.
I hope they stop overusing some members, repeating the mistake that man used to do.
Plus, the narrative is just a TATIC
The group needs to exist as idols, have to sell anything. The storytelling has a climax that needs to be reached and DONE!
Me gustaría que este video tuviera subtítulos en español, de verdad me gusta el Loonaverse :(♡
Lo siento, no hablo español (estoy usando google) y no sé cómo podría traducirlo para usted.
@@LittleHouseofGeeky oh no problem ^^
8:47 wait,,.,.,. are they making the klein bottle shape,,.,. pastel colors like in vivid except for chuu,,..,., i have no idea what this could mean someone help skjdfjkjkf
does anyone know what order to watch all the videos and mv...
Hey Naomi we aren't too sure the exact right order and it will change with new music videos but here is a list of every one in chronological order: th-cam.com/play/PLsy2F-QMOfzstWJhElv5MsjysKEj7fGxQ.html
This states that there may be no right way to view their videos: loonatheworld.fandom.com/wiki/LOONAVERSE#Timeline
Suffice it to say, I personally believe all their attempts to break the loop happen at the same time as from my interpretation, they rewind every time to try again and start a new timeline. Sorry for the essay!
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Can someone explain to me why olivie hye buried the moon, please? I m really confused
If it’s true that ‘JJ’ left because BBC wanted to put less significance on the LOONAVERSE does that mean a possibility he may come back now that they’re putting a great amount of focus back on it?? Just a little thought...
I think JJ gets tired of his projects and moves on to new ideas. You can see it with how Loona progressed - yyxy's story was really dissonant with the other sub units and he dropped a few storylines, too (Vivi being a robot never came up again.) I think he's just like this and now someone else has taken control of his creation, I doubt he'd want to revisit because he would need full control because he's an auteur-type.
So what is the end of the Loona verse
The creator of the Loona verse left BBC and what is said in the intro: "Do Not Accept The Faith Of The Moon". The moon for me is Jaden and their faith left after debut and accepted the faith of the moon
no
I mean I think a few have interpret the burning of the moon as BBC making a creative decision to fast-forward to story to the ending Jeong planned... and it could be that. I personally don't agree, I think they understand that the story is an asset much like how BTS have their own storyline that fans eat up.
do you have any social media acc?
If you’re suggesting people who don’t like Loona are dumb because the only reason they fail to join the fandom is because they “cannot understand” then you’re deluding yourself. Maybe they don’t like the music or the idols.
Not at all. It's just about preference - a lot of people prefer their stories to be linear and not overly reliant on metaphors and coding to tell the story. It has nothing to do with intelligence x
they didnt suggested any of bs you mentioned, maybe stop deflecting your insecurities on others
So basically, the lore will be oversimplified from now on. I'm still disappointed with So What, not because of the lore which i think there actually are plenty of it, but the Itzy bootleg sound was a letdown.
I was definitely surprised by the song when I first heard it but I obviously enjoy it, myself. It was also very well received in Korea.
@@LittleHouseofGeeky Yeah, i'm happy for the girls, i really love them, but i can't lie to myself in order to enjoy the song, i just hope the next one will have more LOONA flavor to it
*im so fucking confused*
Like me all the time
what is the antagonist?
strange question. I think the only antagonist of their story so far is perhaps the Mobius loop they live in, although it's more of a setting that can act as an entity rather than an actual character
I believe it's their circumstance. Or I mean if you were really into social issues you could say their rigid gender role :)))))))
~ 8:30 So you admit that they are cutting back on the lore which was a main selling point of Loona (even reached a point when they started showing unreleased footage and special clips in korean cinemas) because they want to become more mainstream. That's literally what people mean with "the lore is dead". The lore which was appreciated for its immense complexity and depth and detail is now pretty ordinary if anything... it's dead TO/FOR a lot of people.
Nope. I said the "lore" is more accessible but it is still there, developing and still holds that esoteric style in the teasers for people to unpack. I suggest re-watching my video as I think you maybe missed me responding to this very criticism in depth lol