Subcompact Showdown! Makita XDT15 vs XDT18 Impact Drivers
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The difference between the impacts is that they changed the chuck and bearing design to reduce chuck wobble and make the bit more stable. The real star of the kit is the drill. The new drill have a full metal gear housing to make it stronger and increase durability.
He also forgot to mention an increase on the IPM from 3900 on the 15 to 4100 on the new 18.
I use my subcompact kit for light duty projects. They are enjoyable to use and look cool. Who doesn't love blacked out power tools? I really see no reason to "torture test" these. They are made for light duty. I guess it's good to know they won't burn up the first time you drill a massive hole with a spade bit. But in reality, why would you ever do that? I use mine for what they are for and enjoy them. And I use something bigger and more powerful for, well, bigger stuff.
Looks to me like they basically just changed the gear ratio between the two. That gives the old one slightly more torque, but the newer one a slightly faster top speed. That would explain why the old was almost always faster on driving fasteners, but the new was faster on removal.
From what I saw, the bias is different. The old one appears to bias its power to more forward, the newer one more for reverse. However, the auger bit test. It appears that the knot held it up. Everything else, driving the old one was faster, and the new faster at removal. Maybe I'm wrong but that's what it appears.
was suprised to see in forward both models are nearly the same with the xdt15 being slightly faster on some runs. seems to be a waste to upgrade if you already have the xdt15. thanks for the video keep them coming.
Thnx for the video!
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I purchased that kit from home Depot this month and returned it. I was surprised it came with the old batteries and the charger doesn't have a cooling fan. Also the impact driver has a sharp lip by the trigger. I checked it on a couple of other kits and they all had the sharp lip.
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Thanks, George!
The XDT15 is my favorite impact. I was debating if the minor size difference and possible better impact was worth the upgrade. Thanks for showing me I'm perfectly fine with what I have. Have you done the subcompact hammer drill vs the sub compact normal drill? I didn't see a video on it, but I could have just missed it. I think they are the same but I'm looking to find a deal on the normal one so I can do a compare video with the hammer drill I have. Love your videos.
I haven't done the hammer vs non on the subcompacts. But I'll put it on my list! Thanks for watching!
I had 1.5 and hate them because even though around house I don’t use this much but it leaves the question mark as to when the battery may die.
Good video I got the sub compact to hang gutters 😂I don’t need big drills for any other work since I’m only using on fascia boards
Those Makita's where ahead of their time.... 10 years ago
I know a guy that got a great deal on the old one.
Yeah and a pretty cool video on it as well.
The old kit is at my local HD for $161. They have many in stock at that price.
@@peterhamilton7218 I ended up paying $112 for the kit because they had four sitting on the clearance shelf. They were marked at $184 at that time so I got a pretty good deal.
@@ToolswithSoAlz yeah you got lucky with that.
Where can i find the xtd18?...my depot doesn't have it, or at least it dont come up on the web page
Here you go! homedepot.sjv.io/oeN94o
Reason for the 1.5ah is to make it the unit as a whole more compact and lighter. Just like the older 18v that are white, same specs as the teal version, but smaller battery and they list it as a compact version
Nah, they're identical in size and the 2ah weighs 13oz, vs 12oz for the 1.5. It's a cost issue...
Didnt really mean in reality, meant in marketing. I dont see why else they would market the old white one as compact when it has exactly the same specs just sold with a 1.5ah battery. Ive seen other companies market lower ah batteries as compact but werent really much smaller or lighter than the next closest ah. You know how it is...its all about marketing. Make the customer feel as if they are getting something better/more what they are looking for even if its not of not enough to make a difference. Some companies are obviously a lot worse with it than others
Yes, you're right. The smaller battery is to keep costs down. Both, on the manufacturer, as well as, the consumer. Did you use the "right batteries?" 🤣 nice merch!😁👍
I currently have both to try, and 1 is going back. Do you notice the trigger is better on the 15 can control your slower speeds better with the 15, the 18 not as controlable, and quicker more torque. I think I prefer the control on the 15. I also notice a little more wobble on the 15 gonna be a touch desicion.
I can't say I noticed the trigger difference, but the 18 does have an improved collet. Personally, I'd go with the 18.
These test are fine but this class of drills aren't really meant for that heavy duty. I have the older models and I use them for cabinet installs, where high torque isn't required.
Agree, these tests are beyond what you would do daily with these tools. But good to see what they could do in a pinch!
I got the new combo kit. The batteries now come with fuel gauges
Will you also be comparing the subcompact
drill drivers also?
Yessir!
@@PhillyFixed awesome 👍
I bought this set. Based on your video. I found the “old version” on HD with a free bit set. I was excited they came with the 2.0amp batteries vs the 1.5
I’ve had them for about a week and am loving them. The impact replaced my Festool TID 18 as my daily driver. Great little tools
18 all the way no bit wobble, bought just the tool and some 3.0 batteries for cheap on Amazon.
Very great video I’ve had mine for years it works great used it thousands of times. I’ve been working general contracting for years and it’s held up to all the abuse some situations I need a more power but other than that it’s been great
How well does the drill drill pocket holes?
I wouldn't use an impact driver to drill pocket holes, I'd be concerned about damaging the Kreg jig or whatver guide you're using.
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I have the brushed kit 🌝🙆🏻👍
It has to be a margin thing with the batteries and charger. This was a mistake.
Huge mistake I used to own the old kit the impact is fine with the smaller battery, but the drill needs at least a 3.0 it kills the battery quickly. I usually used my 5.0 in the drill or else I would be swapping batteries before the job was finished.
Those things don’t look much smaller than my XDT16, if they even are… What’s the advantage to buying this “subcompact” model? The lower normal cost?
Yup, basically. They're narrower but might be a hair longer, actually.
Cost I just bought this kit for 160 vs 330 for xdt19z or 16z
i have the Xdt12, Xdt15, and the new Xdt9. i still go for my Xdt15 more than the others. cant beat the size to power ratio. I love my new Xdt19 and its not that much bigger than the 15, but the 15 always gets me. I'm guessing that the new Xdt18 has some of the same "inner guts" of the 19 but in the subcompact form. its really silly nowadays.. even Makita's COMPACT line is practically a subcompact at this point.
I hate the 1.5 batteries no fuel gauge i try to never grab them lol
Damn they going dewalt rough with their cheaper kits and throwing in the 1.5. Atleast their not 1.3 like dewalt. Even though I never had issue with the 1.5 on my old 787. Didn't know makita made one with a gage though.
I love makita. But aren't you messing up the drills with that paddle bit? 🤨
Not sure what you mean? I wouldn't typically use these tools for a spade bit but I don't think it's doing any damage other than normal wear and tear...
My bit keeps getting stuck on both models
What brand bit? Not that it should matter, I just haven't had that issue with Makita before.
Both Makita bits and DeWalt I'm gonna try Milwaukee
I hate those non gauged 🔋
The old seemed better than the new in these test
Why did they upgrade it and it performs the same
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the new one is more quiet and way smoother in on impacts.
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Older shouldn't out work the newer model in any aspect of the build. It's expected to be better and more refined yet here we are with 1.5 Amp batteries and same spec . I only own makita and thats 7 power tools but I may consider the switch to Red
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Maybe they've got a stock of 1.5AH batteries that no one will buy and it's a good way to unload them.
Soooo....the new and improved is basically the same but with new and improved (margins) cheaper batteries! Hmmm, since the crappier batteries are obvious, wonder what other surprises are inside? I own Makitas (XDT16 etc.) so will avoid their compact offerings. Sad to see Makita making things worse as time goes on--start building stuff in China, cheezier parts creep in, lower capacity batteries.... changing from the nominal rating to the bogus "max" ratings as Makita strives to become DeWalt. Oh well, such is the way of the world. Thanks for the info!
Makita didn't seem to upgrade this unit at all
Evidently the collet is upgraded to reduce runout (wobble), but I didn't notice in practice.
the new is actually way smoother. you almost dont feel the impacts in your hand.
You def used the wrong battery with the new but not ur fault I suppose.
Boo on the smaller batteries in the new kit!
Now they could have made the 2.5ah batteries but it's expensive and they don't do it..............
The 11 was a hammer drill, I don't think this new one is.
The XPH15zb is a hammer drill, you might be thinking of the old XFD11zb.
@@PhillyFixed It is the XFD15 page I was on. I am new to these Makita model numbers. I've been using Dewalt for years but have just been picking up the odd Makita here and there. I might be more confused by Makita's model numbers than Dewalt's.
@@reginalb124 Understandable... not very intuitive and the numbers aren't even really sequential or tiered. Why is the flagship impact XDT16 and the subcompact is XDT18? At least DeWalt used a 7-series and 9-series (although they backed themselves into a corner with 999...)
I just don't understand this category of impact drivers. They don't perform as well at driving fasteners, are called subcompact yet are significantly longer than other 18V impacts and weigh about the same. The only thing that makes them subcompact is that they are slimmer, but the tradeoffs of longer, weaker, and more vibration seems to make little sense for a lot of applications.
Agree, if I was in the market for something in this class, I would just go with the Skil Pwrcore 12.
At this point I'd forgo the impact mechanism and just get an offset//multihead driver. They have the best _"this screw is too close to the corner"_ reach.
Besides that ...the Makita subcompact even weighs a few ounces over 3 pounds with a 2Ah compact battery which doesn't make it any better for overhead use than a normal full-sized one
I kind of understand why this class of driver exists.
I, like most others who have commented, prefer to use this driver for light tasks. I'm an electrician and this driver is great for assembling ceiling fans or even installing pulleys and switches. It's light, it's portable and feels great in the hand.
I appreciate the fact that I don't need to get into a whole different battery platform just to get a light portable tool when about half of the things I do don't need the bigger heavier drivers like my Makita XDT16 which I love for bigger jobs.
Having just one battery platform to deal with vs needing different tools, batteries and chargers is a big help.
Yes, there are a lot of 12 volt options out there that might be a little smaller, more compact and even more powerful than this Makita 18 volt driver, but I find this option to be a great way to stay in a platform to can do everything I need it to do without cluttering up my truck with all sorts of different brands and battery platforms that are incompatible.
@@El_Diablo_LI Interesting feedback. I understand why a person wouldn't want to carry 12v and 18v, but what does this provide that your XDT16 doesn't? This subcompact actually has a longer body and not much less weight, so size doesn't seem to be the factor. If it is a sense of control in driving fasteners, I like the oil impulse, but I realize that is a pricier tool.
It’s cool bro, just got one for my boss ... only $75 delivered ...open box. I just can’t watch him screw around with one without a working light on it anymore....