I really appreciate the editing with showing each hit. I think the phrases are fairly easy to follow in this video, but I always like the slower speed highlighting hits for the sake of technique analysis.
Thanks! The idea behind my sparring videos is that I make them how I would wanna watch them. My more recent sparring videos don't repeat each hit but slow it first time around. That's how I'm going to keep editing them going forward :)
Hi, thanks! I'd say it's as easy or as difficult as most other sports or activities. If you have a club you can join that will be best, if course. Nevertheless, you can also get quite far on your own, preferably with a partner. If you have any other questions I'd be happy to try and help.
Ur leiwand! Muss mir mal Zeit nehmen und mich im Klingelspiel anmelden, dass ist die einzige Fechtschule in Wien die den Säbel unterrichtet...oder täusche ich mich da? Liebe Grüße
Excellent video. The slow mo after every hit is a plus. 👌👍 Really shows the precision required in these actual fights instead of the constant garbage that the movies give us.
Thanks! Now that we have just opened up again, I'll be able to make some more sparring videos! In the meantime, there's a few more sparring videos on the channel in case you've not seen them.
@@historyandsabre I’m especially interested in saber. I’ve been taking classes in Olympic style saber for about a year now, and someday I want to do HEMA as well.
@@elizabeths.8063 Very cool, I can definitely recommend just contacting HEMA clubs and visiting their classes. I've never seen a club who's not welcoming to all sorts of interested people!
Something about the movements of sabers feels more intuitive. The bulk of my training is in epee (sport fencing), so I assumed I'd prefer thrusting weapons such as longswords, but the movements always felt awkward to me, almost like playing pool and halfway like using a spear. With just a few small modifications in technique, good sabers feel more natural in the hand to me. ex: generally, when parrying a thrust, the blade is held closer to parallel to the ground, while for cuts, it's held closer to vertical (maybe like a 30 degree angle for thrusts and a 70 degree angle for cuts). Cuts are also easier to parry in general because you kind of just move into place, while with thrusts, you have to do a bit more to actively intercept and move the blade out of the way before continuing with a repost.
wow really impressive ! it's seems that the right fighter have struggle due to the allonge that the left fighter have but it's just a statement since i've never do that sport that really tempt me !
Hi, interestig question. I guess it's due to the slighlty earlier lineage of the 18th c. and its direct connection to Angelo, whose work I like. Also, the background of the Napoleonic wars interests me a lot, both historically aswell as martially. I do like like later English language manuals such as Hutton and Waite aswell but overall I think Roworth is just a good manual to work from that clicked with me when I first began studying it. Cheers!
Two things I noted is that one time he tried to predict and got hit and secondly I’m debating if it requires just focusing on the blade and brute forcing your brain into hyper speed to block everything or some other technique
I'm learning the Polish sabre. I see quite a bunch of similarities and differences as well. One being the Polish sabre having a more 'exuberant' fighting style with more swings. Any thoughts?
Well, the reconstructed methods for Polish sabre are based on earlier fencing styles. They are very much rooted in medieval and early modern German footwork and body mechanics, whereas the sabre methods we practice are utilise a parry-riposte and lunge-based system common in later European fencing styles.
@@historyandsabre yes, and Valville assumed knowledge of the rapier or smallsword (more likely the latter, but he assumed proficiency in a thrust/pointe centric weapon style) when he wrote his treatise on the contre-pointe. He makes many references to how certain things are similar to the “sword,” meaning likely the smallsword, and does not re-explain it in the contre-pointe treatise.
Thanks mate! - Max on the left is using the Blackfencer 1796 infantry steel trainer with a three bar hilt - I am using a Bloss steel trainer with a custom grip.
@@historyandsabre Nice sparring! Here most of sabre fencers use something like gymnasium sabre, e.g. kvetun mk1 or mk3 (almost straight). I hope, I will have an opportunity to test something with bigger curvature one day)
@@July__Frost Sorry for the late reply! Curves are definitely fun, especially in the thrust! Where are you based? We tend to mix and match a lot in class using different synthetic models, and even basked-hilted broadswords. Fits really well with Angelo/Roworth. And honestly, curves just look cool! :)
@@historyandsabre Now I am based in Russia, and our club mostly prefer late 19th, while I'am more interested in Roworth, cause, well, curves look cool, and basked-hilted swords are also very interesting
@@July__Frost Very nice! Just because your club focuses on different sources that doesn't mean you can't broaden your horizon and practise a slightly different style :)
Danke! Max hat einen Blackfencer 1796, ich hab damals einen von Bloss benutzt. Der ist mittlerweile in Pension und ich sparre meistens mit einem Kvetun Easton oder einen VB Sabre Light. Findest du alles auf meinem Kanal.
Blackfencer synthetics are the best training tools around in my opinion if you don't want to go for steel straight away! If you're interested in military fencing around 1800, go for their synthetic 1796 Infantry sabre or the 1803 one. They are the same blade with different guards. If you want to learn later systems, go for a bowl hilt gymnasium sabre. Feel free to reply with any more questions you might have.
@@historyandsabre I was shopping on the Purpleheart Armory, and I saw a Model 1811 Calvary Sabre trainer (plastic) and the book "German Sabre of the Berliner Turnschule" I'm not sure if you're familiar with that book, but do you think I'd be able to learn the basics this way before moving on to a steel sword? Or should I study Roworth?
@@historyandsabre Actually I've just bought the 1796 Sabre and the Art of Defense on Foot. I did buy the book and sword aforementioned, but the blade was too heavy (POB was 10 in) and the book was often very hard to understand. Pair this with a lack of online material covering the German Sabre of the Berliner Turnschule, and I had close to no success with the sabre. So I just decided to take your advice and spend the extra cash for a better sabre and find a manual more suited for a beginner. Thanks!
Which methodologies do you follow? I’ve looked into Valvilles method and tried it out a little on my own but I’m not well practiced in it. I know that Silvers method is very popular.
I notice you two only move forward and backwards and don't move laterally at all. My only martial arts experience is thai boxing so this is surprising to me. Is it something about hema I don't know?
Hi, thanks for the comment! There is not one answer for all of HEMA, since the treatises we study span roughly 6 centuries. The earlier portions of styles such as longsword, messer, etc. use a lot of "lateral" passing footwork. Over time, fencing styles changed and in over the course of the 17th century became more linear. By the 18th and 19th century, many styles became predominantly linear and this the category in which you'll find most military sabre styles fall. It's basically the great-grandparent of Modern Olympic Fencing. Cheers!
- Max on the left is using the Blackfencer 1796 infantry steel trainer with a three bar hilt - I am using a Bloss Poland steel trainer with a custom grip from Swordsmithy (CZ). Cheers!
@@porizkovabasta The Blackfencer steel sabres have a spatulated tip, which has been standard on many longsword feders for years now. I see no problems there with regards to tournaments, but of course it depends on the individual tournament and organisers.
Max is using a Blackfencer 1796 infantry sabre with a 3-bar-hilt and mine is a Tylko/Bloss sabre from Poland which has been discontinued. I recommend Blackfencer and Kvetun at the moment.
I'll try to give a short answer: side-stepping, also called traversing, is part of British military fencing tradition but becomes less frequent throughout the 18th and into the 19th century. Passing steps (think walking) were very prevalent in previous centuries for systems utilising the rapier, dussack, longsword etc. and still taught at this time for certain disarms ir against polearms. In simplified terms, we do have a lunge based, increasingly linear system here. Also, it's hard to do any kind of widr-ranging footwork when you want to film it.
@@historyandsabre just wanted to be clear that I wasn't criticising you for being linear (it's always hard to tell the tone with comments, sending even harder when you're autistic). I get what you mean about filming. It's something I've been wondering as I've been trying to study this recently. By the way, in a real fight, would traversing be very useful/beneficial (I'm thinking it fell out of use as it became more sport based, but I could be wrong)?
@@DreamBelief Hey, absolutely no offence taken. You asked a sensible question in a respectful way, so everything's fine! :) Yeah, kinda. Traversing absolutely is useful and I find myself circling around my opponent whenever I'm fencing outside in an attempt to find more stable ground and put myself at an advantage or put them at a disatvantage. So in short, yes. It's less important indoors on an even floor with even lighting except for the odd offline action that later systems retain.
Лучшая защита это дистанция. Защита только клинком часто не работает. Надо объединять эти два вида защиты. Т.е. защита клинком + разрыв дистанции. Не надо встречать атаку надеясь только на постаноку защиты, надо еще уходить и ногами. Личное мнение.
Thanks for the comment! Yes, you're absolutely right. While I need to work on distance anyway, this particular video was the first ever time I filmed a sparring video for the channel and I was focused on not stepping outside of the frame. It's part of why distance management isn't so great here.
Steiermark, Kapfenberg. Bin durch Larp drauf gekommen mich mehr mit dem ganzen zu beschäftigen. Ich üb halt hauptsächlich daheim die Grundlagen und lern viel durch zuschauen und mit Gfühl.
@@fionasabre Alles klar, cool! Falls du mal Zeit hast und Fechtpartner suchst, kannst du gerne mal bei unserem Verein INDES Graz vorbeischauen. Link in der Beschreibung!
![Military Sabre Sparring w/ Commentary [HEMA]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/6rEgF7RmE8U/mqdefault.jpg)
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Crazy, in media you always see these elaborate long sword fights, while in reality aside from feints, it would likely be over in a few swings.
Mario and Luigi falling out in polish Lithuania
Lol.
I really appreciate the editing with showing each hit. I think the phrases are fairly easy to follow in this video, but I always like the slower speed highlighting hits for the sake of technique analysis.
Thanks! The idea behind my sparring videos is that I make them how I would wanna watch them. My more recent sparring videos don't repeat each hit but slow it first time around. That's how I'm going to keep editing them going forward :)
Is HEMA easy for beginners to get into? It looks challenging but also incredibly fun. Great video!
Hi, thanks! I'd say it's as easy or as difficult as most other sports or activities. If you have a club you can join that will be best, if course. Nevertheless, you can also get quite far on your own, preferably with a partner. If you have any other questions I'd be happy to try and help.
If you want to buy gear immediately then the costs is the barrier of entry
@@historyandsabre can I ask you who made the sabers in the video? Thanks.
Just the mustache sold me on the video.
It does make you realise how quick real sword fights are over
1:28 the part where the chap in the red gave a thumbs up looks so wholesome
What a great sparring!!! Those guards are incredible!
Não esperava encontrar o canal aqui, obrigado pelos vídeos de esgrima militar.
1:18 Imagine no protection and sharp sabers. This stuff looked “gentleman-like” but it was brutal.
Oh yes, I'm glad we do have some protective equipment! 😬
Ur leiwand! Muss mir mal Zeit nehmen und mich im Klingelspiel anmelden, dass ist die einzige Fechtschule in Wien die den Säbel unterrichtet...oder täusche ich mich da? Liebe Grüße
nice fight guys, the way you guys counter each other really amaze me
Thanks!
Very nice techniques! Please continue🗡
Thank you, I will! :)
Excellent video. The slow mo after every hit is a plus. 👌👍 Really shows the precision required in these actual fights instead of the constant garbage that the movies give us.
Thanks, appreciate it! In my more recent videos I'm just slowing down the actual hits themselves. Cheers!
@@historyandsabre Cheers! 😁
What is a good book on learning to fence Sabre?
Loved it! More please.
Thanks! Now that we have just opened up again, I'll be able to make some more sparring videos!
In the meantime, there's a few more sparring videos on the channel in case you've not seen them.
@@historyandsabre yep I’ve started bingeing :)
@@historyandsabre I’m especially interested in saber. I’ve been taking classes in Olympic style saber for about a year now, and someday I want to do HEMA as well.
@@elizabeths.8063 Very cool, I can definitely recommend just contacting HEMA clubs and visiting their classes. I've never seen a club who's not welcoming to all sorts of interested people!
Both of you really bait each other well for the clean cut
Thanks a lot!
Something about the movements of sabers feels more intuitive. The bulk of my training is in epee (sport fencing), so I assumed I'd prefer thrusting weapons such as longswords, but the movements always felt awkward to me, almost like playing pool and halfway like using a spear. With just a few small modifications in technique, good sabers feel more natural in the hand to me. ex: generally, when parrying a thrust, the blade is held closer to parallel to the ground, while for cuts, it's held closer to vertical (maybe like a 30 degree angle for thrusts and a 70 degree angle for cuts). Cuts are also easier to parry in general because you kind of just move into place, while with thrusts, you have to do a bit more to actively intercept and move the blade out of the way before continuing with a repost.
wow really impressive ! it's seems that the right fighter have struggle due to the allonge that the left fighter have but it's just a statement since i've never do that sport that really tempt me !
Very nice fencing!
Thanks, appreciate it :)
Hello! I don't know if you talked about this in another video of yours but why did you swap from hutton to roworth ?
Hi, interestig question. I guess it's due to the slighlty earlier lineage of the 18th c. and its direct connection to Angelo, whose work I like. Also, the background of the Napoleonic wars interests me a lot, both historically aswell as martially.
I do like like later English language manuals such as Hutton and Waite aswell but overall I think Roworth is just a good manual to work from that clicked with me when I first began studying it. Cheers!
Two things I noted is that one time he tried to predict and got hit and secondly I’m debating if it requires just focusing on the blade and brute forcing your brain into hyper speed to block everything or some other technique
Wow! Nice sparring guys!
Thanks a lot!
where'd you get that red jacket? it looks really nice
Hi, it's the SPES Officer jacket. It's fairly popular and you can get it here: histfenc.com/productcart/officer-fencing-jacket-350n
@@historyandsabre
thank you, friend
Wallmart
I'm learning the Polish sabre. I see quite a bunch of similarities and differences as well. One being the Polish sabre having a more 'exuberant' fighting style with more swings. Any thoughts?
Well, the reconstructed methods for Polish sabre are based on earlier fencing styles. They are very much rooted in medieval and early modern German footwork and body mechanics, whereas the sabre methods we practice are utilise a parry-riposte and lunge-based system common in later European fencing styles.
@@historyandsabre yes, and Valville assumed knowledge of the rapier or smallsword (more likely the latter, but he assumed proficiency in a thrust/pointe centric weapon style) when he wrote his treatise on the contre-pointe. He makes many references to how certain things are similar to the “sword,” meaning likely the smallsword, and does not re-explain it in the contre-pointe treatise.
Well done Bro ! What type of sparring sabre are you using ?
Thanks mate!
- Max on the left is using the Blackfencer 1796 infantry steel trainer with a three bar hilt
- I am using a Bloss steel trainer with a custom grip.
@@historyandsabre Nice sparring! Here most of sabre fencers use something like gymnasium sabre, e.g. kvetun mk1 or mk3 (almost straight). I hope, I will have an opportunity to test something with bigger curvature one day)
@@July__Frost Sorry for the late reply!
Curves are definitely fun, especially in the thrust! Where are you based? We tend to mix and match a lot in class using different synthetic models, and even basked-hilted broadswords. Fits really well with Angelo/Roworth. And honestly, curves just look cool! :)
@@historyandsabre Now I am based in Russia, and our club mostly prefer late 19th, while I'am more interested in Roworth, cause, well, curves look cool, and basked-hilted swords are also very interesting
@@July__Frost Very nice! Just because your club focuses on different sources that doesn't mean you can't broaden your horizon and practise a slightly different style :)
Is it the sabre from D. Tylko, from Poland?
It was sold by Bloss from Poland in 2018 but the blade is from Tylko, yes.
Good stance bro!✨👍
Is there no binding with saber? Sorry if its a silly question.
No, not really in the same way as with earlier systems!
hallo. sehr schönes video. ich wollte fragen welche Säbel ihr für euer sparring benutzt. liebe grüße
Danke! Max hat einen Blackfencer 1796, ich hab damals einen von Bloss benutzt. Der ist mittlerweile in Pension und ich sparre meistens mit einem Kvetun Easton oder einen VB Sabre Light. Findest du alles auf meinem Kanal.
What brand of swords do you use for the sparring?
Kvetun, Blackfencer, SIGI etc.
I want to do that!!!!!!!!!🔥🔥🔥
Search for HEMA clubs in your area! Best of luck!
What manuals and training blades would you recommend for an absolute beginner to Sabre?
Blackfencer synthetics are the best training tools around in my opinion if you don't want to go for steel straight away!
If you're interested in military fencing around 1800, go for their synthetic 1796 Infantry sabre or the 1803 one. They are the same blade with different guards.
If you want to learn later systems, go for a bowl hilt gymnasium sabre.
Feel free to reply with any more questions you might have.
@@historyandsabre I was shopping on the Purpleheart Armory, and I saw a Model 1811 Calvary Sabre trainer (plastic) and the book "German Sabre of the Berliner Turnschule"
I'm not sure if you're familiar with that book, but do you think I'd be able to learn the basics this way before moving on to a steel sword?
Or should I study Roworth?
@@historyandsabre Actually I've just bought the 1796 Sabre and the Art of Defense on Foot. I did buy the book and sword aforementioned, but the blade was too heavy (POB was 10 in) and the book was often very hard to understand. Pair this with a lack of online material covering the German Sabre of the Berliner Turnschule, and I had close to no success with the sabre.
So I just decided to take your advice and spend the extra cash for a better sabre and find a manual more suited for a beginner. Thanks!
Which methodologies do you follow? I’ve looked into Valvilles method and tried it out a little on my own but I’m not well practiced in it. I know that Silvers method is very popular.
That's an older video now but I have been studying Roworth's Art of Defence for a few years!
Nice sparring session ;)
Thanks mate!
Student of Hutton here. Interesting fight.
Thanks!
Hi, I watched this video very well! Can I ask something? What brand of glove are you guys wearing?
Thanks! I'm using my old Red Dragon gloves and Max (green) is using these:
www.faitsdarmes.com/en/gloves/46-hema-padded-gloves.html
@@historyandsabre Oh,! Thank you for answering me!
@@ymsh2 Not a problem!
I notice you two only move forward and backwards and don't move laterally at all. My only martial arts experience is thai boxing so this is surprising to me. Is it something about hema I don't know?
Hi, thanks for the comment!
There is not one answer for all of HEMA, since the treatises we study span roughly 6 centuries.
The earlier portions of styles such as longsword, messer, etc. use a lot of "lateral" passing footwork.
Over time, fencing styles changed and in over the course of the 17th century became more linear. By the 18th and 19th century, many styles became predominantly linear and this the category in which you'll find most military sabre styles fall.
It's basically the great-grandparent of Modern Olympic Fencing.
Cheers!
@@historyandsabre That's very interesting thank you.
What sabers do you use?
- Max on the left is using the Blackfencer 1796 infantry steel trainer with a three bar hilt
- I am using a Bloss Poland steel trainer with a custom grip from Swordsmithy (CZ).
Cheers!
@@historyandsabre Hi, do you think Max´s sabre is suitable for hema tournaments? I like the weapon but the tip looks unfolded.
@@porizkovabasta The Blackfencer steel sabres have a spatulated tip, which has been standard on many longsword feders for years now. I see no problems there with regards to tournaments, but of course it depends on the individual tournament and organisers.
What sabres do you use and where did you acquire them?
Max is using a Blackfencer 1796 infantry sabre with a 3-bar-hilt and mine is a Tylko/Bloss sabre from Poland which has been discontinued.
I recommend Blackfencer and Kvetun at the moment.
I refuse to believe that mustache is real
HEMA is the XGames of fencing
Haha.
Mario Fencing !!
Do people never side step/step in on an angle to counter instead of dodging back? Forgive the complete noob here
I'll try to give a short answer: side-stepping, also called traversing, is part of British military fencing tradition but becomes less frequent throughout the 18th and into the 19th century.
Passing steps (think walking) were very prevalent in previous centuries for systems utilising the rapier, dussack, longsword etc. and still taught at this time for certain disarms ir against polearms.
In simplified terms, we do have a lunge based, increasingly linear system here.
Also, it's hard to do any kind of widr-ranging footwork when you want to film it.
@@historyandsabre thank you so much
@@historyandsabre just wanted to be clear that I wasn't criticising you for being linear (it's always hard to tell the tone with comments, sending even harder when you're autistic). I get what you mean about filming. It's something I've been wondering as I've been trying to study this recently.
By the way, in a real fight, would traversing be very useful/beneficial (I'm thinking it fell out of use as it became more sport based, but I could be wrong)?
@@DreamBelief Hey, absolutely no offence taken. You asked a sensible question in a respectful way, so everything's fine! :)
Yeah, kinda. Traversing absolutely is useful and I find myself circling around my opponent whenever I'm fencing outside in an attempt to find more stable ground and put myself at an advantage or put them at a disatvantage.
So in short, yes. It's less important indoors on an even floor with even lighting except for the odd offline action that later systems retain.
Лучшая защита это дистанция. Защита только клинком часто не работает. Надо объединять эти два вида защиты. Т.е. защита клинком + разрыв дистанции. Не надо встречать атаку надеясь только на постаноку защиты, надо еще уходить и ногами. Личное мнение.
Thanks for the comment! Yes, you're absolutely right. While I need to work on distance anyway, this particular video was the first ever time I filmed a sparring video for the channel and I was focused on not stepping outside of the frame. It's part of why distance management isn't so great here.
Now if this was Olympic fencing I think it would be much more popular as opposed to a niche sport
Da schait ma zufällig durch und findet ohne wos zu ahnen Landsleut xD
Fix! Woher kommst?
Steiermark, Kapfenberg. Bin durch Larp drauf gekommen mich mehr mit dem ganzen zu beschäftigen. Ich üb halt hauptsächlich daheim die Grundlagen und lern viel durch zuschauen und mit Gfühl.
@@fionasabre Alles klar, cool! Falls du mal Zeit hast und Fechtpartner suchst, kannst du gerne mal bei unserem Verein INDES Graz vorbeischauen. Link in der Beschreibung!
Ah, wenn ihr nach Wien kommt, findet ihr in Ottakring einen Sparringplatz finden!
Der Verein heißt Klingenspiel und wir lernen Barbasetti. Dm mich falls interessiert
I would love to be able to dual someone in real life no protection.
Are you sure?