HEMA | Antoni Olbrychski's "The Deluge" (Swordfish 2018 Saber Tournament)

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  • @Kwodlibet
    @Kwodlibet 5 ปีที่แล้ว +157

    Congratulations to Olbrychski, but kudos to Stanson for accepting the results with dignity - he was outmatched and defeated, yet kept his "cool" and carried on with a smile on his face. Well done, sir.

    • @BigPuddin
      @BigPuddin 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      This is too fucking wholesome for TH-cam.

  • @AmateurCaptain
    @AmateurCaptain 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    This is awesome because it should create a resurgence of interest in the Polish sabre. I feel like the sabre has more variation in styles than the longsword and therefore should be a fascinating weapon for HEMA tournaments.
    Olbrychski definitely has a different style to Stanson for example.

    • @midshipman8654
      @midshipman8654 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      just my opinion, but i prefer military saber boots like this to polish saber. i like the mix of cutting and thrusting better. I like Olbrychskis form though.

  • @WolfKenneth
    @WolfKenneth 5 ปีที่แล้ว +116

    Daniel Olbrychski is still alive. And every CH in polish words you read like H So OlbryHski not OlbryKski :)

  • @drhputra1635
    @drhputra1635 5 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    It's rare to see a good sabre match footage, and yours is one of those

    • @thrownswordpommel7393
      @thrownswordpommel7393 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Have you seen Skall's " expert saber sparring video" ? Definitely worth seeing.

    • @RandomGuy-ej9gr
      @RandomGuy-ej9gr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@thrownswordpommel7393 Its good because Skall doesn't take part in it.

    • @chongli8409
      @chongli8409 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RandomGuy-ej9gr haha lol

  • @moonstruckstarlet6607
    @moonstruckstarlet6607 5 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Historical saber is so much fun to watch

  • @itinerantpoet1341
    @itinerantpoet1341 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Daniel Olbrychski is the real deal. To you young guys, look at how much feeling he gets into his blade-that translates into meaningful inertia to control the opponent's weapons. 1:30 is what I'm always going on about re: controlling an opponent's blade. But you can only really achieve that by staying relaxed and calm, and practicing seriously for a very long time. The sword needs to be a natural extension of your body, and that's what I'm seeing from grandfather. Respect from wudang.

    • @piotrmalewski8178
      @piotrmalewski8178 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well, he almost killed the other stuntman-actor when filming that duel and he defeated a guy who was trying to hijack an airliner in real life.

  • @d4n737
    @d4n737 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love how they already nicknamed him Olbrychski "The Deluge" Like he's some kind of wrestler XD

  • @Orimthekeyacolite
    @Orimthekeyacolite 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Antoni "Making his grandfather proud" Olbrichskiy))
    It sure is a cool backstory, but the commentators are definitely milking it a little bit too much

    • @piotrrud6986
      @piotrrud6986 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Oh, c'mon. Don't we all like to be excited from time to time!
      I'm Polish citizen myself. And familiar with the move since my childhood as a part of our popculture sts. Just hoped on the video and found out about Antoni. Man, what a story it is to me! :D It' freaking cool! Take care!

  • @Pyrohawk
    @Pyrohawk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Great commentary and great footage! Respect to both fighters, a very entertaining duel to watch and learn from.

  • @sakosniper4433
    @sakosniper4433 4 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Polish people were famous for their saber fencing skills

    • @szablotukpolski5201
      @szablotukpolski5201 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good film. The oldest instructions about the Polish saber fight
      szablotlukpolski.pl/pages/ebooki
      th-cam.com/video/S8SauT2DfuY/w-d-xo.html

    • @jacobvisor3034
      @jacobvisor3034 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And for putting screen doors on their submarines.

    • @itinerantpoet1341
      @itinerantpoet1341 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jacobvisor3034 wtf, dude.

  • @paulfisker
    @paulfisker 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Very good commentary. Makes much easier to understand the score.

  • @karolkowalski4249
    @karolkowalski4249 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I am delighted from winning of Olbrychski

  • @Druid_Ignacy
    @Druid_Ignacy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Thanks from uploading! That's not a sparring, that's tournament fight thou ;)

    • @ViciouSExorcisT
      @ViciouSExorcisT  5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Thank you for pointing that out.

    • @geo4424
      @geo4424 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      So this is an actual sport? I thought hema was more like acting swordplay. Like when little kids play lightsaber or what not

    • @rufusstanier8893
      @rufusstanier8893 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@geo4424 Very much not the case - you might be thinking of LARP.

    • @Druid_Ignacy
      @Druid_Ignacy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@geo4424 its much worse than you think! th-cam.com/video/uFB5hVYyFW8/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=Nerdist

  • @arock9174
    @arock9174 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Some of the best if not the best hema content on youtube great editing.

  • @mioszworkiewicz7568
    @mioszworkiewicz7568 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Fantastic fight and a video, thank you for that

    • @ViciouSExorcisT
      @ViciouSExorcisT  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for the kind words, glad you enjoyed it!

    • @szablotukpolski5201
      @szablotukpolski5201 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The oldest instructions about the Polish saber fight
      szablotlukpolski.pl/pages/ebooki
      th-cam.com/video/S8SauT2DfuY/w-d-xo.html

  • @eyangamedud3293
    @eyangamedud3293 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The sparks flying is probably the best part man

  • @krycu5738
    @krycu5738 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Antek jest na prawdę dobry!!! :)

    • @szablotukpolski5201
      @szablotukpolski5201 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The oldest instructions about the Polish saber fight
      szablotlukpolski.pl/pages/ebooki
      th-cam.com/video/S8SauT2DfuY/w-d-xo.html

  • @Ariesoetomo
    @Ariesoetomo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    WHY THIS KIND OF SPORT IS NOT IN THE OLYMPIC?! :(( replace the standard fencing saber in olympic with this

    • @Ariesoetomo
      @Ariesoetomo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @Love Law What? I don't care about them lol that is not what I meant to know, I am asking that can this HEMA as a whole be in the Olympic

    • @Ariesoetomo
      @Ariesoetomo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Love Law Nah I'll pass

    • @RandomGuy-ej9gr
      @RandomGuy-ej9gr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @Love Law What a silly and ignorant thing to say. How about you upload a video of you fighting with a sabre. The original comment was asking why sabre fighting was not in the olympics and had nothing to do with the level of skill the two gentlemen have.

    • @lp9140
      @lp9140 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @Love Law Care to explain? As far as I've seen, this form of fencing is not in the Olympics. Perhaps you mean the Olympic event where both fencers are on a lined mat?

    • @J-IFWBR
      @J-IFWBR 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      ​@Love Law calm down good sir, olympic saber fencing is a different sport, it is limited in regard to space, since its only happening on a narrow strip, also the weapons are different.. Both sports certainly produce athletes of great skill, and since olypic saber fencing is a professional sport ofc, the olympic athletes are of exceptional skill, Still their skillset is optimized for the exact rules and limitations of olympic saber fencing. This simplificiation of Olypic Fencing is , leading to an insane amount of skill and training put into mastering the skills needed to work withing those limitation. Which will with no doubt lead to them beeing on average better in those skills that are also essential to hema saber.. But Hema Sabere Fencing also requires skills, that are kind of different to Olympic Saber.. I personaly would love to see people form an Olypic background participating in Hema Saber. So one could see how easy it is for them to use their skills and how able they are to adapt to the Hema Saber Rules and Enviroment.
      If you say Hema Fencing is just bad Olympic Fencing, i think you are kinda biased, because they are just different sports. I think both Sports can benefit from each other and if one of them is gaining more popularity this can also raise the interest for the other one.
      There realy is no need to hate on each other, when both can learn from and with each other.
      Respect is of vital Importance =)

  • @andretorres75
    @andretorres75 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Outstanding saber assault!

  • @satanaasonpdf9242
    @satanaasonpdf9242 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Daniel Olbrychski my Hero!!!

  • @pociecha-ub3et
    @pociecha-ub3et 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    BRAWO ANTONI !

    • @szablotukpolski5201
      @szablotukpolski5201 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The oldest instructions about the Polish saber fight
      szablotlukpolski.pl/pages/ebooki
      th-cam.com/video/S8SauT2DfuY/w-d-xo.html

  • @239petr
    @239petr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Maybe somebody know where to buy or what name of under helmet protection like Olbrychski have?

  • @gregherman3816
    @gregherman3816 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    BLOODY GOOD GAME

  • @justanothercomment4701
    @justanothercomment4701 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think Stanson was trying to stick to techniques from or inspired by the pre-20th Century sabre sources. It's quite evident in his guards, posture, and footwork. Olbrychski mainly used Olympic fencing and a lot or althleticism with a heavy sabre, but that's not against the rules. He played better in this context.
    More and more of this is happening with sabres lighter than the old Regenyeis being more available. The ruleset is key in what kind of fencing happens, not just the participants and equipment used. I don't think it's reasonable to ask someone to fence only in a certain way if their way is permitted by the ruleset.

  • @Patriot_Eke
    @Patriot_Eke 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Well fought!

  • @susznie9418
    @susznie9418 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Antoni Olbrychski - znany z bycia wnukiem Dziadek byłby dumny Kippo

  • @annoyed707
    @annoyed707 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "We have joined each other in death."

  • @thrownswordpommel7393
    @thrownswordpommel7393 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I'm surprised Olbrychski won. To me his tactic seemed too aggressive to work, like almost suicidal. For instance, his cuts at Stanson's leg exposed his head quite a lot. And don't get me started on his "jumps"! But anyway, congrats to both fighters.

    • @witoldendrju2458
      @witoldendrju2458 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I also expected Stanson's more collected and calm stance to prevail, but maybe Olbrychski is cheating through his blood lineage :D

    • @jannegrey593
      @jannegrey593 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It was very risky but paid out. And yeah Olbrychski was too aggressive - something that in other circumstances would have probably finished him. On the other hand Stanson was very collected and maybe would have prevailed if the fight was longer - he would be the one with more Stamina left.

    • @GlwaddynionForest
      @GlwaddynionForest 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, cause u dont understand fencing lol. If u can tie ur opponent up scared defending their upper body, not only is hitting their leg a good idea, its stupid to try to hit them in the place they are preoccupied to defend

  • @herrpez
    @herrpez 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Commentators might try not to attempt to interrupt and take over from one another all the time.

  • @MoorishBandit
    @MoorishBandit 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The great northern war rematch!

    • @J-IFWBR
      @J-IFWBR 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      great northern war was russia vs Sveden not Poland vs Sveden =)

  • @СергейМ-я2е
    @СергейМ-я2е 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Похоже что Antoni раньше фехтовал на шпаге в спортивном фехтовании

  • @acegammared7914
    @acegammared7914 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    All the hits are called based on the Ref?

  • @kapitan19969838
    @kapitan19969838 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    To jest zajebiste

  • @josupeo7733
    @josupeo7733 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fact skalla is the brodcaster

  • @kebbesan
    @kebbesan 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Do those fencers come from Olympic fencing cause it feels so. Nice fight, better than most saber/hema fight, it’s hard to find some good ones on youtube

    • @ViciouSExorcisT
      @ViciouSExorcisT  6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Glad to hear you enjoyed the match! Kristofer Stanson has started to practice HEMA about 15 years ago, with initial focus on saber and longevity (www.fightermag.se/2016/06/19/intervju-med-nhfl-vinnaren-kristofer-stanson-ingen-ar-omojlig-att-sla-mig/). Antoni Olbrychski is a saber instructor in Poland (www.akademia-szermierzy.pl/o-nas/), his grandfather is a Polish actor and an accomplished sabre fencer Mr. Daniel Olbrychski, who played in major Polish historical movies Colonel Wolodyjowski (1968), The Deluge (1974) and With Fire and Sword (1998) based on Henryk Sienkiewicz 19th century classical novels.

    • @luckyjosh84
      @luckyjosh84 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@ViciouSExorcisT Greetings from Poland I like your great WOTR videos

    • @ViciouSExorcisT
      @ViciouSExorcisT  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@luckyjosh84 Greetings, Josh! I hope you'll enjoy the future material as well, as you know, I always focus on quality vs quantity. ;)

  • @ЖИЗНЬВОВСЕМ-ж8р
    @ЖИЗНЬВОВСЕМ-ж8р ปีที่แล้ว

    я думаю раз это хема а не спортивное фехтование то нужно на соревнованиях намеренно запрещать прыжки на ногах и атаки стрелой так как они противоречат бою и уводят хема в обычное спортивное фехтование

  • @omokok1877
    @omokok1877 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    cool

  • @maciektak8863
    @maciektak8863 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    No ładnie ładnie

  • @mcanu667
    @mcanu667 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have liked Stanson's style more. Olbyrchski's style looks and feels much more like olympic fencing.

  • @Jose_LopezCasillas
    @Jose_LopezCasillas 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The commentator sounds like that skallgrim youtuber

  • @itinerantpoet1341
    @itinerantpoet1341 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My critique of the young fencers, although they are very good, is they get excited, and that's how you get killed. Older fencers who have mastered the art remain calm. But very few will really master it at a young age, thus the sport is going to be different from the real thing. For a parallel, look at how Kayla Harrison fights. She's still young but she's a real master because she devoted her life to it and trained with the best. She stays calm throughout her bouts, even when going against full force striking. Never forget that when people did this for real, the matches would end after a single definitive strike, not always fatal, but often incapacitating. ("First blood" rules were designed to reduce fatalities but leave honor satisfied, b/c swords are dangerous.) That's the difference between the sport, where there are no consequences, and the real thing, where there are. I love this sport, but most seem to get the two things confused. Life or death struggle is quite a different thing from fencing safely with gear, and I only bring this up because there are so many beginners out there who vastly overestimate their capabilities, having no qualified teacher to disabuse them of those notions.

  • @Trackboxer
    @Trackboxer 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    More fun to wacth than olympic saber

  • @Ramiiam
    @Ramiiam 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The Poles know what is what. They are the salvation of Europe.

  • @IsshTM
    @IsshTM ปีที่แล้ว

    Not a fan of that olympic fencing style jump attacks. He swings his saber like a flail and in a real duel he would pay with his life for a touch to his oponents leg.

    • @GlwaddynionForest
      @GlwaddynionForest 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I mean he literally would get less points if the guy hit his head. he just didnt

  • @cererin
    @cererin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    american commentator was a bit rude lol

  • @AlecFortescue
    @AlecFortescue 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Looks so much better than gaylimpic fencing

    • @yeong_ster
      @yeong_ster 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      pretty much the same style imo. most of the olbrichyski's thrusts were going for the contact rather than doing actual damage

  • @thomasjohnson7040
    @thomasjohnson7040 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Unlike the protracted sword fights we see in movies real sword fights must not have lasted long! A few seconds and someone is hit. What a bloody mess real sword fighting must have been.

    • @ViciouSExorcisT
      @ViciouSExorcisT  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Training whole life to get struck on the battlefield. These kind of things get in your head, even 2020 wasn't that bad in comparison!

  • @bohunbohun6679
    @bohunbohun6679 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    1610 yers Kluszyno 2700 Polisch husars vs 35000 Rusian and Sweden Victory Poland. 1605 yers Kircholm 3000 Polisch and Lituanian husars vs 13000 Sweden Victory Poland.

    • @ДмитрийКуренков-ч9й
      @ДмитрийКуренков-ч9й 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      И такое бывает.

    • @witoldendrju2458
      @witoldendrju2458 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dude, seriously, noone cares. That's interesting piece of historical trivia, but it has nothing to do with modern fencing. Why bring this up? To humiliate Swedes? He's a sportsman and duelist who lost with dignity to a very skilled fighter, I'm sure people who actually duel with sabers respect eachother very much.

    • @MoorishBandit
      @MoorishBandit 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@witoldendrju2458 let him have his moment, his country was snuffed out of existence 200 years ago.

    • @witoldendrju2458
      @witoldendrju2458 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MoorishBandit Yeah exactly, 200 years ago. Now it's a prosperous 1st world country in the middle of Europe, is there still need to brag about something that happened 400 years ago completely out of context?

  • @bearcaring7931
    @bearcaring7931 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Пятнашки

  • @THORIONONE
    @THORIONONE 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    this is no fencing

  • @wildrangeringreen
    @wildrangeringreen ปีที่แล้ว

    I especially loved the little jedi-jump to tap the other guy with the sword shaped object... with absolutely 0 regard for his own survival... good god HEMA is going to crap. So thankful I stopped getting involved in competition when this sort of crap became acceptable.
    Next up: electronic scoring...

    • @GlwaddynionForest
      @GlwaddynionForest 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      maybe the other guy shouldve tried to defend himself

    • @wildrangeringreen
      @wildrangeringreen 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@GlwaddynionForest like I said... "with absolutely 0 regard for his own survival". Most comps have bylaws/rules about reckless fencing, but I have yet to see them enforced; thereby leading to the laughable display of martial skill seen here. The moment I started noticing judges and organizers NOT calling people on reckless fencing was the moment I stopped competing.

    • @GlwaddynionForest
      @GlwaddynionForest 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@wildrangeringreen this is fine lol. The doubles happen either from slight mistimes or misreads of intention. Those are just fencing errors. These blokes would wipe the floor with guys who consider themselves "martial" (and frankly the majority of martially obsessed fencers Ive met are just panicky stophitters reminiscent of beginner epeeists). Anything that isnt a double is by definition fine.

    • @wildrangeringreen
      @wildrangeringreen 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@GlwaddynionForest stop hitting (particularly of the hands and arm) is sufficient in violent encounters... that's the difference between martial fencing and sport fencing. One's practicing to butcher another person, the other is meant to be a game that can help one get better at the former (and there's nothing wrong with that). There is a problem when one conflates the two.
      Just like with firearms and darts, just because you've "killed him", doesn't mean he's dead yet. Reckless fencing ignores this and dispenses with self preservation in favor of overly aggressive action; usually in an attempt to meet the artificial conditions of success put in place by a ruleset (which has been drafted to facilitate a game).

    • @GlwaddynionForest
      @GlwaddynionForest 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@wildrangeringreen stophits are a favourite in olympic fencing lol what are you on about. A pretty typical criticism of epee (though somewhat outdated) is it contains too many. My comment regarding stophits arent that they are bad, just that when done reactively without initiative they will almost always lead to doubles and are often late too.
      I agree, training and the real thing are different. the thing with fencing is that the real thing cannot be replicated to the same degree as unarmed combat, and comeptition is still the best way to attempt it.

  • @feliperisseto9113
    @feliperisseto9113 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The commentary is made by Skallagrim?

  • @jimmyjakes1823
    @jimmyjakes1823 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Deluge was a bad thing for Poland though. That's why the Polish call it the deluge. You should have titled it Olbrychski's Jasna Góra or "By Fire & Sword."

  • @lukaszraczek4476
    @lukaszraczek4476 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Olbrychskis grandfather - Daniel Olbrychski is an ACTOR with no fencing skills

  • @tarquiniussuperbus21
    @tarquiniussuperbus21 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Unfortunately Hema is going the same way as Olympic Fencing really sad.

    • @alessandrofattori6548
      @alessandrofattori6548 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cause it works, there is no existing ruleset in real life that prevent those techniques.
      The winner here is just using a mix of epee and sabre from olympic fencing

    • @tarquiniussuperbus21
      @tarquiniussuperbus21 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alessandrofattori6548 My solution would be the same as the solution the old Epee fencers gave. The Fencer who gets hit the least wins. This would shift the focus from hitting a higher value point target while taking a hit, to disabling your opponent without getting hit.

    • @alessandrofattori6548
      @alessandrofattori6548 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@tarquiniussuperbus21 it changes nothing from now in epee, the one who has been hit less wins (or hits more it changes nothing)

    • @alessandrofattori6548
      @alessandrofattori6548 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The only thing it changes from epee in this fight is that they use sabres (so olympics fencer moves are implemented) and timing in which you can hit back your opponent is wider.
      No idea why every hema guy hate sport fencing when they really have small differences.

    • @tarquiniussuperbus21
      @tarquiniussuperbus21 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alessandrofattori6548 You didn't understand my comment.

  • @johnsmith1789
    @johnsmith1789 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    playing tag with a fly swatter style, no finesse

  • @eddard9442
    @eddard9442 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    the hopping is annoying

  • @kaizen5023
    @kaizen5023 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    1:51 LOL wow cringe SMH...

  • @SchwertundKelch
    @SchwertundKelch 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sry..bullshit....there are no saber skills available here ... no real warrior would fight like this ... Both only looking for points

    • @Aerostarm
      @Aerostarm 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What did you expect