Jesus thats deep. 6 really died in the arms of a kind founder with there repect and blessing. He quite litterally dies in the arms of a being he thinks of as something like jesus woth there blessing. As the klingons might say... a good death
BigFire Exactly! I am a Roman Catholic, and I imagine how wonderful would it be for me to die at the arms of Jesus of Nazareth, and to hear Him say to me that I have been a good and faithful servant and that I had His blessing. I think no matter how painful my death would be it would also be extremely peaceful and joyful. So I can relate to Weyoun 6 here
@@edsr164 reminds me of a scene from "Heldreach" were a Guardswoman died a very painful death but was comforted by a Space Marine in her last moments(SM arent seen as Gods but are compareble to Angels in 40k) and died kinda happy as well
The guy who played Weyoun was a gifted actor. In this same scene he's playing both the villain and the one who sacrifices himself. And yet both are showing devotion to Odo.
got to see him in a live one-man show as Edgar Allen Poe a few years ago. He's really a gifted and outstanding actor. Check him out in Dr Mordrid- it was supposed to be a Dr Strange movie but they lost the rights so they changed the character names but technically he was the first non-tv live action Dr Strange.
I liked the part later in the episode when Kira pointed out that Weyoun's faith in Odo was enough for him and that it made sense to her that having Odo's blessing allowed him to die peacefully.
@@wasserruebenvergilbungsvirus Overall they let the Bajoran religion fall a bit by the wayside, and the explicit "aliens doing alien things" angle was emphasized more, or else it was just casual little touches. I personally think it was all done reasonably well but it gets a bad rap from fans because they didn't get into it ENOUGH to feel as much a part of the fabric of the show as other elements.
@@jerodast I mean, the Bajoran religion is pretty clearly something close to Abrahamic religion... no real need to delve into that too deeply otherwise your TV show starts sounding like Sunday School.
@@jerodast I like that they resisted the temptation to explain the true nature of the Prophets, whether that be as the future descendants of the Bajorans or something else. Better to leave some things as a mystery - I'm looking at you, Doctor Who.
God, this had to be really rough to film. Jeffrey Combs and Renè Auberjonois were very good friends, dating back to Combs' beginnings in theater some 15 years prior to DS9. Auberjonois was something of a mentor to him. Combs never talks about Auberjonois without referring to him as "my dear friend."
I found this short scene to be one of the most moving scenes in the Star Trek series. Weyoun 6's pleading with Odo to give him his blessing before he dies displays a kind of religious faithfulness seeking reassurance before death. Odo seems hardly respectful at all of the Founders and their work. Yet, he reluctantly gives Weyoun his blessing, probably from a sense of kindness not belief. The scene to me recalls a priest administering the Sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick to a dying parishioner. While Weyoun dies in peace, Odo struggles to give a blessing he apparently doesn't believe in, but yet does it out of compassion. The scene to me mixes faith, reassurance, compassion, and disbelief into a potent cocktail. Profound.
Plus Weyoun 6 deserved it, by switching sides and trying to end the war by helping Odo and The Federation, he was able to be granted something most Vorta are never privileged to receive.
thinking about it, how many vorta can say they died like that? the founders treated them like tools while the vorta treated them like gods. and here is weyun 6, dying for a outcast of his people, dying in disgrace and yet, he looks so happy and at peace. that's because odo gave him what any vorta desired but never really got: the love and respect of their god.
Yes, the Founders seldom treat the Vorta as anything but servants, if that. When Garak kills Weyoun 8, the lady Founder acts as if Garak had destroyed a chersed antique, not a fellow senscience being who was her second in command.
I was glad that Odo found the heart and compassion to set aside his ruthless code for just a moment and act like the Founder the Weyoun 6 saw him as. It was a touching moment, showing Odo's continue growth as a character.
Supposedly Odo since he’s the head of the founders with the female changing in Starfleet custody is said to have had Weyoun 6 brought back and named as an ambassador to the federation. It’s cause 6 was more amiable to Starfleet and was far more willing to talk things out
@@matthewcaughey8898 Weyoun 6 died on the runabout, he activated his neural implant or whatever it is called!? Unless he was kept in stasis and later revived or if a clone of 6 was made! Not sure if they would have the same problem of cloning a clone like on 'Multiplicity' or like the clones on Mariposa?
Sometimes though - putting 'humanity' in everything is fatally stupid. Oh look, we have a Borg drone here. Lets give it a name and treat it like a pet - then feel guilty and NOT use it to gain an advantage over an enemy that wants to wipe out and absorb everything we cherish. I mean TNG and Hugh of course. We do it all the time too in normal life - a predator in the jungle that is vicious, acting on its natural instinct. Let's assign human attributes to it, and then wonder why some poor sod gets mauled to pieces. Anyway........:)
@@bobpage6597 if they had sent Hugh back as a weapon, it probably would have only worked with his ship or a small branch of the collective! Sending Hugh back and the result of him attaining individuality was far more effect than a weapon probably would have had!?
@@masteridiot123 Would have been a great thing though. But if it malfunctions.. wouldn't he be in severe pain for the rest of his life? Or Bashir could stop his pain.. I hope
@@iris1568 There we go, character story arc that automatically brings in a new circle of friends for Six. Bashir gets to be happy go lucky doctor for a broken Vorta.
Another commenter pointed out how this reminded them of Galaxy Quest and at first I didn't know how they thought that, but it clicked. This is very reminiscent of that scene where Rickman holds that dying alien fan in his arms and he quotes his TV character's famous catchphrase to make the alien fan feel better in his dying moments. Both are sweet moments and well-acted. RIP Rene Auberjonois & Alan Rickman.
It's especially touching in both instances because it's something the character normally would resent doing, but does so with sincerity and feeling in last moment of that fallen follower.
Funny, I've seen this scene at least half a dozen times and never made that connection, then it hit me watching it this time and I see your comment immediately :) "By Grabthar's Hammer, you shall be avenged." They HAD to have seen this episode, in retrospect.
Great scene, good acting. Odo is conflicted at holding this reprehensible man, and Weyoun expresses remorse for what the dominion has done and terror that he's failed his mission. In the end the Vorta are just another victim of the Founders.
Galaxy Quest, an extremely underrated flick, used the same warm and fuzzy tactic in it's saddest and most emotional scene a few years later. It's where the character played by Alan Rickman hated being worshipped by one of the aliens and told him to STFU and stop doing it. The alien gets shot and as he's dying in Rickman's arms, he plays the persona he was being worshipped for and tells him "he will be avenged." The alien dies with a smile on his face. You could hear the waterworks in the theater as that scary evil expression Rickman is famous for appears followed by cheers when he opens up a big can of wh00pass on the guy that shot him. Do a tube search for "Galaxy Quest By Grabthar's Hammer" and you'll see what I mean.
Late...... Garak kills Weyoun 8. Female Changling: I wish you hadn't done that. That was Weyoun's last clone. Me: 'Should have thought about that when you decided to terminate Weyoun 6.
I watched DS9 20 years ago, and I thought it was alright - I was slightly disappointed, expecting another TNG. Now, I am in awe of DS9 even more than TNG. These characters and species are all magnificent. I love the backstory of the Vorta, and their understandable reverence for the Founders. I love Odo's reluctance to accept his role as a God to Weyoun - and his final acceptance of it. I love the fact that, to the Founders, bringing Odo home was more important than the Alpha Quadrant itself. I find myself putting these episodes on repeat on Netflix, watching them over and over again, hoping that some day, we'll get more Trek like this.
Kinda the opposite for me, since violence action and conflict really rub me the wrong way now, DS9 suffers more from my present tastes than TNG. But as a teenager I really loved all of DS9 (And of course there's more to it than violence and action, but I have a harder time now appreciating the interesting parts, since they are intermixed with more of what I dislike than TNG).
When you are younger and less mature, Picard seems like a god. When you are older and wiser, you realize he is just a well-spoken pedant. DS9 is a show far more in-touch with humanity, the realities of war and society.
@@SukatoKjolen I really can't agree to that, I think it's closer to the opposite. TNG in general and Picard in particular go a bit too far with the "growing up of humanity" theme (in parts, certainly not true for the immature first 2 seasons or the last one), but DS9 doesn't go far enough. If humans are still as petty and violent as they are now or as they are depicted in DS9, it's just not realistic that they could be part of and even have a leading role in a diplomatically cooperating multiple species alliance (or even surive into a space age in the first place). I'd say the depiction of DS9 is closer to our present reality, but not the one realistic and making sense for the setting.
To paraphrase Sarek, "one alive. one not. Yet both in pain." What really gets me is how viewscreen Weyoun says something he doesn't really mean. But, dying Weyoun says something else in earnest.
@wolfaesthetic Um, no. *That* Weyoun, standing by the Cardassian I add, had no heartfelt sincerity. Just theatrics and being "cordial." An inconvenience defined by him is understatement. While THAT Weyoun, lying beside the Changeling was showing raw emotion and not cold blooded protocol &... doi dee durr durr back at ya.
Was he really defective. Maybe from the founders perspective of not being a drone. But he could see the truth of the war and sought to save the founders.
Not only that, but he was willing to sacrifice himself to save a founder, whereas Weyoun 7 was willing to risk killing one, which seems like a much bigger flaw to me.
True, he was not really defective. Earlier in the show, there was this one Vorta who ran away and allowed himself to be captured by the Federation, dooming all his JemHadar subordinates in the process. That was a defective Vorta. Weyoun 6 though was still utterly loyal to his "Gods" and the Dominion. Maybe he was too loyal even - he recognised that the Founders were dying, and hoped for Odo to save the Dominion from itself. In the end, his dream came true. Odo returned to the Great Link, and likely started reforming the Dominion to be less shitty.
@@wasserruebenvergilbungsvirus Agreed. Weyoun 6 didn't think the Founders would survive the plague so he sought to serve the only one he thought was unaffected. I supposed Weyoun 7 believed the Founders would survive so he continued to serve the female changeling.
It's nice to see a tender compassionate side of Odo in giving comfort to poor Weyoun 6...really moving scene. The Weyouns never got to be loved - no family or parents, used and thrown away by the founders, distrusted by the Federation (with good reason), no friends at all. Villainous though they were, that's worth bearing in mind. It's understandable they placed little value on lives, they didn't know any better. The only love they expected was in the form of a blessing from a founder. Weyoun 6 really deserved love, the only truly good one who lived too short a life. I remember Weyoun 4 watching Odo and his friends at a meal in To The Death, looking like the lonely kid in the cafeteria eating his lunch all by himself. And when he approached him to talk, his imploring face was heartbreaking (even though Weyoun 4 was not particularly nice). Loved that scene as well, his facial expressions were so beautiful.
DS 9 is such a great Star Trek genre because of an abundance of scenes like this one that explore the dimension of human nature---our spiritual attributes often overlooked in an increasingly bleak morality-free materialism. Here we see qualities like compassion and selflessness highlighted. "O Son of Spirit! My first counsel is this: Possess a pure, kindly, and radiant heart, that thine may be a sovereignty, ancient, imperishable, and everlasting".----Baha'u'llah
All the comments talking (rightly) about Weyoun 6, but I love the interaction with Weyoun 7 here. He was totally prepared to kill Odo because he believed it was for the greater good, but as soon as it became unnecessary he was right back to a deep respect and deference. "I sincerely regret any inconvenience we may have caused you Odo". And he is 100% serious. Such an interesting character and dynamic
I rewatched this series on a digital channel... it happened to show this episode and I cried. My daughter was wondering why... it was just too complicated to tell her at the time.
'To every man upon this Earth Death cometh soon or late. And how can man die better Than facing fearful odds, For the ashes of his fathers And the temples of his gods' - Horatius
Watching this beautiful scene again, all I can think is how the so-called "writers" of the so-called "Star-Trek" Discovery and Picard seems to suffer from some form of irreversible brain damage.
@Aung Un'Rama Star Trek has always been pushing an liberal agenda and things like gender politics. they were more subtle about it. they were able to interwoven the agenda within a solid story. The problem now is that they try to be edgy and in your face. I think that is mostly because of the shorter seasons. Back in the day you had 26 episodes per season. that meant that even with a war there was room to see other aspect about it beyond war itself. Picard to me was like a long movie, not a show...
@Aung Un'Rama star trek is and always has been a leftist show. It has always been political, pushing race and gender boundaries. What show were you watching?
@@angelrivera2339even in single episodes TOS, Voyager, TNG, DS9 conveyed the message in a single episodes and it was organic with the story and not shoved down our throats. Plus they provided both sides of the issue and left it up to the viewer who was right or wrong.
The only Weyoun I found myself liking. He wasn't narcissistic like the rest of them. He seemed vulnerable, scared and admired Odo more than most. And in the end, unlike any other Weyoun, he literally gave his life to protect Odo. All he asked was a blessing. He had a devout loyalty. A shame we only saw it for one episode but I am grateful for the one episode. Like the Thomas Riker character, I wouldn't have minded seeing a bit more of this one.
it been funny if he did allow the dominion to help with repairs, the jem'hadar beam over with spare part to help repair the ship only to find that there one of their god on the ship they were attacking
A shame it wasn't standard practice on Federation to place people close to death into the transporter buffer the way Scotty did, to preserve their lives until they can get to a medical facility or somewhere they can properly be put into stasis so that medical staff could try to save them. I'm sure Bashir could have saved 6 if Odo had thought to do that, and the Federation would have gained a valuable asset.
Montgomery Scott doing that in the first place was taking a huge risk himself, as he was risking pattern degradation, but more than that, when he did that, the configuration was running off Auxiliary power, which would run out on any standard ship as a reserve only meant for emergencies when main power couldn't be used. The Auxiliary power was renewable on the Jenolan because of the Dyson sphere constantly providing energy through the star it was harnessing, at least as I understand it. Something like that would have to take much more refining and working through before it could be used reliably. After all, one other person had been in there but suffered too much pattern degradation to be re-materialized.
@@Cool70sfreak True, although I don't recall any mention of the Jenolan drawing power from the Dyson's Sphere. I figure with a Runabout with main power still online, the transporter buffer wouldn't use so much that Odo wouldn't be able to get back to DS9 before Weyoun 6's pattern degraded. After all, Scotty and Franklin were in the Jenolan's transporter buffer for nearly 75 years, whereas in this situation it would only have been a matter of hours. And I figured someone at Starfleet engineering would have been working on a safe way to do this since Scotty was rescued and the manner of his survival became known.
@@Cool70sfreakwith the latest garbage released under the Star Trek name MBenga invented a way to keep living matter in a transporter matrix. This was years before Mongomery Scott. He could have shared his important breakthrough with Starfleet Medical but nope that would ruin continuity with TOS Scotty and his use of the transporter buffer.
Odo could've easily prevented his death by finding out where the kill switch was and changing himself into his visage, thus fooling Weyoun 7 and keeping a valuable ally
So the Vorta learned two things today, three actually; self suicide is not painless or quick, the Changelings are not gods, as what would a Changeling have to fear from puny little star ships? And that the Dominion it at least these attacking do not fear their Gods
So they'll have a scene involving two Weyouns, but never a moment involving both Weyoun and Brunt, Jeffrey Combs's other recurring DS9 role. The show's penultimate episode "The Dogs of War" was the only episode featuring Combs in both roles, but never did a scene of them together.
It just occurred to me why DS9 is so powerful, in TNG they did those wet angst ridded emotional episodes that really went nowhere, Janeway was just pushy and dangerously stupid with lives of her crew. Enterprise was nothing but Archer running around do run and gun space adventures and TOS was more often or not just plain silly and unwatchable. DS9 cuts right to the heart of the folly of excessive military adventurism and the human tragedy that inevitably follows, it's such a shame that our world is yet to learn this lesson and no doubt we are going to do it the hard way and thanks for reading this far.
I prefer TNG. I can start it on Netflix and just watch episodes in a row. DS9 has way too much filler and often the main plot doesn’t advance. There are A LOT of bad episodes in DS9. Vic Fontaine makes me cringe lol.
@@rowlandbuck2703 I don't have a problem with ds9's filler episodes, because all of the other star trek's are entirely stand alone stories (except seasons 3 and 4 enterprise). So the so called filler episodes were always in my mind just return to those stand alone stories for awhile. Tng can't have filler because it doesn't have an overarching plot. As to which is my favorite I'm on the fence, but I'll go with ds9 cause while tng has some really high highs, they also have some really low lows, and I find a lot of seasons 1 and 2 hard to watch.
I always wanted the Female Founder to find out about Weyoun 7's duplicity. Regardless of the war, or anything.......if she knew Weyoun 7 had tried to kill Odo, you can bet his ending would have been extremely unpleasant. In her own words, Odo meant more to the Great Link 'than the Alpha Quadrant itself'
It's cliche to always pull the open eyelids down, when someone dies staring at you. Here Odo does not for what ever reason, at least not in the scene shown, perhaps cut off too short? But it shows he doesn't quite know what to do and he has known death before.
Have to say, DS9 is far better then TNG...The writing, characters, storylines...all of it. Funny, as a Star wars fan I never had much interest in the Star Trek universe.....Started watching all the episodes of TNG and are working through DS9..Lol..Then Voyager?
DS9 is one of the best Star trek, because it deals so much with spirituality... In the past, we spent so much time talking about how being an all-powerful alien does not make you a God. DS9 however flips it on its head are gives respect to those aliens that actually do see other aliens as their gods like the Vorta and the Bajorans. And it also gave is the realisation that the Ferengi were deeply can I say spiritual about their rules of acquisition. And that the Federation were wrong about them also... The only thing that might have made this better is if a Federation officer and a 'bigoted' Cardassian or Romulan, for example, were stuck in a ship together, only for them to reveal to the Federation Officer that they thought it was stupid that the Vorta and Bajorans did see other aliens as gods. Only for the Federation Officer to reflect on their own bigoted views and accept that they should have more respect for others' ways of life. I think they tried that with Major Keira and Sisco but it was not strong enough for me.
Galaxy Quest did come after this episode, but it makes sense that it would be familiar. Galaxy Quest was, in every way, a love letter and homage to Star Trek...with some comedy and satire as well. Some people have called it a great "Star Trek" movie because it has so much of the essence of Star Trek in it. It's like The Orville but as a movie ^^
That would be disloyal to the dominion, even though Weyoun was "defecting" he was doing it out of pure love for the dominion. Also its an implant, so there's probably some kind of signal that goes out to tell if it actually was activated.
It's poetic justice that the one Weyoun who strayed the most from his intended role probably died the happiest, truly cared for by a Founder.
Well observed, mate!
Jesus thats deep. 6 really died in the arms of a kind founder with there repect and blessing. He quite litterally dies in the arms of a being he thinks of as something like jesus woth there blessing.
As the klingons might say... a good death
Odo gave him his blessing in his final moments and gave nothing but (justified) contempt for the "better" Weyoun.
Weyoun 6 died happier than most Vorta. I find this scene rather beautiful
He gets to die in the presence of his god, and go out with his god's blessing. He's genetically program to see all founders as God.
BigFire
Exactly! I am a Roman Catholic, and I imagine how wonderful would it be for me to die at the arms of Jesus of Nazareth, and to hear Him say to me that I have been a good and faithful servant and that I had His blessing. I think no matter how painful my death would be it would also be extremely peaceful and joyful.
So I can relate to Weyoun 6 here
@@edsr164 reminds me of a scene from "Heldreach" were a Guardswoman died a very painful death but was comforted by a Space Marine in her last moments(SM arent seen as Gods but are compareble to Angels in 40k) and died kinda happy as well
It's a shame his predessor didn't honor Odo... as a matter of fact he dishonored odo...
Yeah, Odo is my favorite
The guy who played Weyoun was a gifted actor. In this same scene he's playing both the villain and the one who sacrifices himself. And yet both are showing devotion to Odo.
Is. He's still alive and acting.
Jeffery Combes, he’s played many Star Trek characters, Weyoun, Penk, Shran and Brunt to name a few
You should watch re-animator and from beyond. He stars in both of them and does an incredible job
Combs is an accomplished actor and has had many roles on ST. If you want to see his range, watch his character in the Frighteners.
got to see him in a live one-man show as Edgar Allen Poe a few years ago. He's really a gifted and outstanding actor. Check him out in Dr Mordrid- it was supposed to be a Dr Strange movie but they lost the rights so they changed the character names but technically he was the first non-tv live action Dr Strange.
I liked the part later in the episode when Kira pointed out that Weyoun's faith in Odo was enough for him and that it made sense to her that having Odo's blessing allowed him to die peacefully.
For a show with so many religious themes, I wish they had explored the dynamic between the Dominion religion and the Bajoran one a bit more.
@@wasserruebenvergilbungsvirus Overall they let the Bajoran religion fall a bit by the wayside, and the explicit "aliens doing alien things" angle was emphasized more, or else it was just casual little touches. I personally think it was all done reasonably well but it gets a bad rap from fans because they didn't get into it ENOUGH to feel as much a part of the fabric of the show as other elements.
@@jerodast I mean, the Bajoran religion is pretty clearly something close to Abrahamic religion... no real need to delve into that too deeply otherwise your TV show starts sounding like Sunday School.
@@jerodast I like that they resisted the temptation to explain the true nature of the Prophets, whether that be as the future descendants of the Bajorans or something else. Better to leave some things as a mystery - I'm looking at you, Doctor Who.
"Please Odo, tell me I haven't failed, that I've served you well." man this shit makes me cry every time
God, this had to be really rough to film. Jeffrey Combs and Renè Auberjonois were very good friends, dating back to Combs' beginnings in theater some 15 years prior to DS9. Auberjonois was something of a mentor to him. Combs never talks about Auberjonois without referring to him as "my dear friend."
I imagine Rene's passing hurt him the most.
I found this short scene to be one of the most moving scenes in the Star Trek series. Weyoun 6's pleading with Odo to give him his blessing before he dies displays a kind of religious faithfulness seeking reassurance before death. Odo seems hardly respectful at all of the Founders and their work. Yet, he reluctantly gives Weyoun his blessing, probably from a sense of kindness not belief. The scene to me recalls a priest administering the Sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick to a dying parishioner. While Weyoun dies in peace, Odo struggles to give a blessing he apparently doesn't believe in, but yet does it out of compassion. The scene to me mixes faith, reassurance, compassion, and disbelief into a potent cocktail. Profound.
Plus Weyoun 6 deserved it, by switching sides and trying to end the war by helping Odo and The Federation, he was able to be granted something most Vorta are never privileged to receive.
Religion and reluctant Messiahs is something of a theme throughout the series
It’s one of the reasons DS9 is my favorite Star Trek series. That’s from a 71 year old who started with TOS.
thinking about it, how many vorta can say they died like that? the founders treated them like tools while the vorta treated them like gods.
and here is weyun 6, dying for a outcast of his people, dying in disgrace and yet, he looks so happy and at peace. that's because odo gave him what any vorta desired but never really got: the love and respect of their god.
A god that feels no love for their creations is always bad news for the universe.
@@MoreParksLessParking This is my family motto. Weird.
Yes, the Founders seldom treat the Vorta as anything but servants, if that. When Garak kills Weyoun 8, the lady Founder acts as if Garak had destroyed a chersed antique, not a fellow senscience being who was her second in command.
@@MoreParksLessParking ...So all gods.
I was glad that Odo found the heart and compassion to set aside his ruthless code for just a moment and act like the Founder the Weyoun 6 saw him as. It was a touching moment, showing Odo's continue growth as a character.
Yeah, Weyon needed that from him. I think, at the very end, Odo understood this.
It's a shame the other Weyoun didn't get to bare witness to it
Supposedly Odo since he’s the head of the founders with the female changing in Starfleet custody is said to have had Weyoun 6 brought back and named as an ambassador to the federation. It’s cause 6 was more amiable to Starfleet and was far more willing to talk things out
@@matthewcaughey8898 Weyoun 6 died on the runabout, he activated his neural implant or whatever it is called!? Unless he was kept in stasis and later revived or if a clone of 6 was made! Not sure if they would have the same problem of cloning a clone like on 'Multiplicity' or like the clones on Mariposa?
Odo acted better than any Founder. I can’t imagine any of those we encountered throughout the show being as compassionate as Odo at that moment.
DS9 was able to put humanity in every alien species that appeared on the show. Amazing writing and actors!!! By far, the best series in Star Trek.
Enterprise? Yuck..
Sometimes though - putting 'humanity' in everything is fatally stupid. Oh look, we have a Borg drone here. Lets give it a name and treat it like a pet - then feel guilty and NOT use it to gain an advantage over an enemy that wants to wipe out and absorb everything we cherish. I mean TNG and Hugh of course.
We do it all the time too in normal life - a predator in the jungle that is vicious, acting on its natural instinct. Let's assign human attributes to it, and then wonder why some poor sod gets mauled to pieces. Anyway........:)
@@bobpage6597 if they had sent Hugh back as a weapon, it probably would have only worked with his ship or a small branch of the collective! Sending Hugh back and the result of him attaining individuality was far more effect than a weapon probably would have had!?
I feel exactly the same
Oh, sweet boy Six, if only you'd gotten to live a little longer...
If all it takes is a Vulcan neck pinch to kill them it's a wonder that any of them made it past the first ad break.
Fanfiction premise: The termination implant malfunctions. And suddenly Weyoun 6 becomes a part of the DS9 cast... :D
@@masteridiot123 Would have been a great thing though. But if it malfunctions.. wouldn't he be in severe pain for the rest of his life? Or Bashir could stop his pain.. I hope
@@iris1568 There we go, character story arc that automatically brings in a new circle of friends for Six. Bashir gets to be happy go lucky doctor for a broken Vorta.
@@iris1568 Well, the malfunction could be that it didn't fire off at all, ergo no pain.
R.I.P. René Auberjonois - 6/1/1940 - 12/8/2019
I didn't know. :(
You got the date format wrong. It's 1/6/1940 and 8/12/2019.
Forever part of the link...
June 1, 1940 is 06/01/1940 and December 8, 2019 is 12-08-2019.
U.S. date format is Month/Day/Year. That is what pingpongpung meant about the wrong format. Hope this helps.
Another commenter pointed out how this reminded them of Galaxy Quest and at first I didn't know how they thought that, but it clicked. This is very reminiscent of that scene where Rickman holds that dying alien fan in his arms and he quotes his TV character's famous catchphrase to make the alien fan feel better in his dying moments. Both are sweet moments and well-acted. RIP Rene Auberjonois & Alan Rickman.
It's especially touching in both instances because it's something the character normally would resent doing, but does so with sincerity and feeling in last moment of that fallen follower.
Great search! you are absolutely right!
Funny, I've seen this scene at least half a dozen times and never made that connection, then it hit me watching it this time and I see your comment immediately :) "By Grabthar's Hammer, you shall be avenged." They HAD to have seen this episode, in retrospect.
They told him that voluntary termination was quick and painless, but apart from seeing Odo smile at him, Weyoun 6 died slow and in extreme agony.
Jeffrey Combs is incredible (also RIP René Auberjonois 😢)
Imagine a character so well acted and written, he can be both the villain and a hero in the same scene.
No need to imagine. Recall the names Data and Lore.
Its the actor Jeffrey Combs who played Shran on Enterprise. I love this actor. Has played many parts .
Can't watch this without crying it doesn't matter what you believe in he was loyal to the end and got blessed by his God I respect him
touching indeed.
Goddammit, Combs. :'(
Great scene, good acting. Odo is conflicted at holding this reprehensible man, and Weyoun expresses remorse for what the dominion has done and terror that he's failed his mission. In the end the Vorta are just another victim of the Founders.
Well, to be fair, *this* man hasn't done anything reprehensible
Galaxy Quest, an extremely underrated flick, used the same warm and fuzzy tactic in it's saddest and most emotional scene a few years later. It's where the character played by Alan Rickman hated being worshipped by one of the aliens and told him to STFU and stop doing it. The alien gets shot and as he's dying in Rickman's arms, he plays the persona he was being worshipped for and tells him "he will be avenged." The alien dies with a smile on his face. You could hear the waterworks in the theater as that scary evil expression Rickman is famous for appears followed by cheers when he opens up a big can of wh00pass on the guy that shot him. Do a tube search for "Galaxy Quest By Grabthar's Hammer" and you'll see what I mean.
Late......
Garak kills Weyoun 8.
Female Changling: I wish you hadn't done that. That was Weyoun's last clone.
Me: 'Should have thought about that when you decided to terminate Weyoun 6.
I watched DS9 20 years ago, and I thought it was alright - I was slightly disappointed, expecting another TNG. Now, I am in awe of DS9 even more than TNG. These characters and species are all magnificent. I love the backstory of the Vorta, and their understandable reverence for the Founders. I love Odo's reluctance to accept his role as a God to Weyoun - and his final acceptance of it. I love the fact that, to the Founders, bringing Odo home was more important than the Alpha Quadrant itself. I find myself putting these episodes on repeat on Netflix, watching them over and over again, hoping that some day, we'll get more Trek like this.
Not with the current show runners.
Kinda the opposite for me, since violence action and conflict really rub me the wrong way now, DS9 suffers more from my present tastes than TNG. But as a teenager I really loved all of DS9 (And of course there's more to it than violence and action, but I have a harder time now appreciating the interesting parts, since they are intermixed with more of what I dislike than TNG).
When you are younger and less mature, Picard seems like a god. When you are older and wiser, you realize he is just a well-spoken pedant. DS9 is a show far more in-touch with humanity, the realities of war and society.
@@SukatoKjolen I really can't agree to that, I think it's closer to the opposite.
TNG in general and Picard in particular go a bit too far with the "growing up of humanity" theme (in parts, certainly not true for the immature first 2 seasons or the last one), but DS9 doesn't go far enough.
If humans are still as petty and violent as they are now or as they are depicted in DS9, it's just not realistic that they could be part of and even have a leading role in a diplomatically cooperating multiple species alliance (or even surive into a space age in the first place). I'd say the depiction of DS9 is closer to our present reality, but not the one realistic and making sense for the setting.
Jeffrey Combs makes my face leak.
@1:03 They say voluntary termination is quick and painless, Im afraid its not true.
Suggestion: Have the Vorta talk to Worf
To paraphrase Sarek, "one alive. one not. Yet both in pain."
What really gets me is how viewscreen Weyoun says something he doesn't really mean. But, dying Weyoun says something else in earnest.
@wolfaesthetic Um, no. *That* Weyoun, standing by the Cardassian I add, had no heartfelt sincerity. Just theatrics and being "cordial." An inconvenience defined by him is understatement. While THAT Weyoun, lying beside the Changeling was showing raw emotion and not cold blooded protocol &... doi dee durr durr back at ya.
Was he really defective. Maybe from the founders perspective of not being a drone. But he could see the truth of the war and sought to save the founders.
Not only that, but he was willing to sacrifice himself to save a founder, whereas Weyoun 7 was willing to risk killing one, which seems like a much bigger flaw to me.
Clone. You're thinking of the Borg.
True, he was not really defective. Earlier in the show, there was this one Vorta who ran away and allowed himself to be captured by the Federation, dooming all his JemHadar subordinates in the process. That was a defective Vorta. Weyoun 6 though was still utterly loyal to his "Gods" and the Dominion. Maybe he was too loyal even - he recognised that the Founders were dying, and hoped for Odo to save the Dominion from itself.
In the end, his dream came true. Odo returned to the Great Link, and likely started reforming the Dominion to be less shitty.
Even a clone will have a small variation. Both 6 and 7 were serving the founders, just in different ways.
@@wasserruebenvergilbungsvirus Agreed. Weyoun 6 didn't think the Founders would survive the plague so he sought to serve the only one he thought was unaffected. I supposed Weyoun 7 believed the Founders would survive so he continued to serve the female changeling.
Weyoun: Ahchoo!
Odo: Bless you.
Weyoun: Thanks Odo! (dies)
Holy crap man, DS9 had so many banger episodes. It’s not just my favorite science fiction show it’s my favorite show period.
This is actually sad
Truly i wanted this weyoun to survive i remember the episode
war brings out the worst, and best, in people
He terminated himself like he was taking a screenshot on an iPhone
This is so sad that I can't stop watching it.
I wish star trek was still this good id probably start watching it again
_"By the Hammer of Grabthar, _*_you will be avenged."_*
By Grabthar's Hammer, by the suns of Warvan, you shall be avenged.
Weyoun 6: Aight I'm boutta head out
Weyoun 7: Oh, for real? Respect.
Dude this comment made me laugh when i needed it lol.
Haha, they speaking Weyoun zealot language. Weyoun: Oh, you taking one for a Founder? I see ya.
Worf: Don't worry you'll be joining him soon enough
Weyoun 7: Oh, for real?
Worf: (CRACK!)
Weyoun 8: For real.
I like how Wayoun 6 showed us that not all Wayoun were cocky and foolish.
Jeffery Combs is an AMAZING actor. How many actors have received Emmy's for shows like these? Sci Fi I mean.
1:17 "By Grabthar's Hammer, by the Sons of Warvan, you shall be avenged."
This still makes me cry r.i.p Waylon 6 your loyalty is commendable to your god
Weyoun 6 was my favourite character in DS9, so precious ❤️
This was a really great episode!
It's nice to see a tender compassionate side of Odo in giving comfort to poor Weyoun 6...really moving scene. The Weyouns never got to be loved - no family or parents, used and thrown away by the founders, distrusted by the Federation (with good reason), no friends at all. Villainous though they were, that's worth bearing in mind. It's understandable they placed little value on lives, they didn't know any better. The only love they expected was in the form of a blessing from a founder. Weyoun 6 really deserved love, the only truly good one who lived too short a life. I remember Weyoun 4 watching Odo and his friends at a meal in To The Death, looking like the lonely kid in the cafeteria eating his lunch all by himself. And when he approached him to talk, his imploring face was heartbreaking (even though Weyoun 4 was not particularly nice). Loved that scene as well, his facial expressions were so beautiful.
"By Grabthar's hammer, by the Sons of Warvan..." wait, wrong sci-fi universe.
DS 9 is such a great Star Trek genre because of an abundance of scenes like this one that explore the dimension of human nature---our spiritual attributes often overlooked in an increasingly bleak morality-free materialism. Here we see qualities like compassion and selflessness highlighted.
"O Son of Spirit! My first counsel is this: Possess a pure, kindly, and radiant heart, that thine may be a sovereignty, ancient, imperishable, and everlasting".----Baha'u'llah
Very powerful moment for Odo.
"The last thing he saw was one of his gods smiling at him. You ask me, he was a lucky man."
Broke my heart. ❤
Ouch.
He did save Odos life, and the dominions as well.
All the comments talking (rightly) about Weyoun 6, but I love the interaction with Weyoun 7 here. He was totally prepared to kill Odo because he believed it was for the greater good, but as soon as it became unnecessary he was right back to a deep respect and deference. "I sincerely regret any inconvenience we may have caused you Odo". And he is 100% serious. Such an interesting character and dynamic
Love or hate the Vorta, you have to admire and honest love they have.
I rewatched this series on a digital channel... it happened to show this episode and I cried. My daughter was wondering why... it was just too complicated to tell her at the time.
'To every man upon this Earth
Death cometh soon or late.
And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers
And the temples of his gods'
- Horatius
I do think Weyoun 6 conveys an aspect that’s at the heart of all the Vorta, just without the belief that the Founders’ approach to the solids is just.
This bit got me sooo sad.............
Watching this beautiful scene again, all I can think is how the so-called "writers" of the so-called "Star-Trek" Discovery and Picard seems to suffer from some form of irreversible brain damage.
@Aung Un'Rama Star Trek has always been pushing an liberal agenda and things like gender politics. they were more subtle about it. they were able to interwoven the agenda within a solid story. The problem now is that they try to be edgy and in your face. I think that is mostly because of the shorter seasons. Back in the day you had 26 episodes per season. that meant that even with a war there was room to see other aspect about it beyond war itself. Picard to me was like a long movie, not a show...
@Aung Un'Rama star trek is and always has been a leftist show. It has always been political, pushing race and gender boundaries. What show were you watching?
@@angelrivera2339even in single episodes TOS, Voyager, TNG, DS9 conveyed the message in a single episodes and it was organic with the story and not shoved down our throats. Plus they provided both sides of the issue and left it up to the viewer who was right or wrong.
The only Weyoun I found myself liking. He wasn't narcissistic like the rest of them. He seemed vulnerable, scared and admired Odo more than most. And in the end, unlike any other Weyoun, he literally gave his life to protect Odo. All he asked was a blessing. He had a devout loyalty. A shame we only saw it for one episode but I am grateful for the one episode. Like the Thomas Riker character, I wouldn't have minded seeing a bit more of this one.
"By Grabthar's Hammer, by the Sons of Warvan..."
By Grebthar's Hammer you shall be avenged
it been funny if he did allow the dominion to help with repairs, the jem'hadar beam over with spare part to help repair the ship only to find that there one of their god on the ship they were attacking
the other founders would be pissed for sure.
@@toddstewart9070 If that had happened, We would have met Weyoun 8 far earlier. "Well helllooo"
Best scene ever
A shame it wasn't standard practice on Federation to place people close to death into the transporter buffer the way Scotty did, to preserve their lives until they can get to a medical facility or somewhere they can properly be put into stasis so that medical staff could try to save them. I'm sure Bashir could have saved 6 if Odo had thought to do that, and the Federation would have gained a valuable asset.
Montgomery Scott doing that in the first place was taking a huge risk himself, as he was risking pattern degradation, but more than that, when he did that, the configuration was running off Auxiliary power, which would run out on any standard ship as a reserve only meant for emergencies when main power couldn't be used. The Auxiliary power was renewable on the Jenolan because of the Dyson sphere constantly providing energy through the star it was harnessing, at least as I understand it. Something like that would have to take much more refining and working through before it could be used reliably. After all, one other person had been in there but suffered too much pattern degradation to be re-materialized.
@@Cool70sfreak True, although I don't recall any mention of the Jenolan drawing power from the Dyson's Sphere. I figure with a Runabout with main power still online, the transporter buffer wouldn't use so much that Odo wouldn't be able to get back to DS9 before Weyoun 6's pattern degraded. After all, Scotty and Franklin were in the Jenolan's transporter buffer for nearly 75 years, whereas in this situation it would only have been a matter of hours. And I figured someone at Starfleet engineering would have been working on a safe way to do this since Scotty was rescued and the manner of his survival became known.
@@Cool70sfreakwith the latest garbage released under the Star Trek name MBenga invented a way to keep living matter in a transporter matrix. This was years before Mongomery Scott. He could have shared his important breakthrough with Starfleet Medical but nope that would ruin continuity with TOS Scotty and his use of the transporter buffer.
By Grabthar's hammer you shall be avenged
"Quick and Painless" just another lie from the Founders.
Weyoun 6 died because he chose monotheism.
Odo could've easily prevented his death by finding out where the kill switch was and changing himself into his visage, thus fooling Weyoun 7 and keeping a valuable ally
So the Vorta learned two things today, three actually; self suicide is not painless or quick, the Changelings are not gods, as what would a Changeling have to fear from puny little star ships? And that the Dominion it at least these attacking do not fear their Gods
So they'll have a scene involving two Weyouns, but never a moment involving both Weyoun and Brunt, Jeffrey Combs's other recurring DS9 role. The show's penultimate episode "The Dogs of War" was the only episode featuring Combs in both roles, but never did a scene of them together.
How many damn Weyouns did we burn through? I don’t remember should have been a running gag😂
It just occurred to me why DS9 is so powerful, in TNG they did those wet angst ridded emotional episodes that really went nowhere, Janeway was just pushy and dangerously stupid with lives of her crew. Enterprise was nothing but Archer running around do run and gun space adventures and TOS was more often or not just plain silly and unwatchable.
DS9 cuts right to the heart of the folly of excessive military adventurism and the human tragedy that inevitably follows, it's such a shame that our world is yet to learn this lesson and no doubt we are going to do it the hard way and thanks for reading this far.
I prefer TNG. I can start it on Netflix and just watch episodes in a row. DS9 has way too much filler and often the main plot doesn’t advance. There are A LOT of bad episodes in DS9. Vic Fontaine makes me cringe lol.
Well you are entitled to your opinion
@@rowlandbuck2703 I don't have a problem with ds9's filler episodes, because all of the other star trek's are entirely stand alone stories (except seasons 3 and 4 enterprise). So the so called filler episodes were always in my mind just return to those stand alone stories for awhile. Tng can't have filler because it doesn't have an overarching plot. As to which is my favorite I'm on the fence, but I'll go with ds9 cause while tng has some really high highs, they also have some really low lows, and I find a lot of seasons 1 and 2 hard to watch.
Use the force
I'm thinking the new Wayoun was bluffing in this episode. He wouldn't have had a founder killed.
I wonder why they just did tell the Jem'hadar that one of their gods were on the shuttle. One message from Odo and they would have backed off.
IIRC Weyoun 7 forbade communications with the Runabout.
If the Female founder had learned of this, the Weyoun line would have been ...discontinued.
Wow, I didn't follow DS 9 or any Trek after TOS how many death scenes did Weyoun get to play?
But did 6 hear it before he died? His face doesn't change after hearing that Odo has given him gratitude
I always wanted the Female Founder to find out about Weyoun 7's duplicity. Regardless of the war, or anything.......if she knew Weyoun 7 had tried to kill Odo, you can bet his ending would have been extremely unpleasant. In her own words, Odo meant more to the Great Link 'than the Alpha Quadrant itself'
Weyoun 4 should talked to Worf lol
Weyoun 4 was the one that got vaporized for insulting his Jem'hadar once too often. These were 6 and 7.
Cool how Do hesitates to check his breath 😂
this was the scene that made me realize that atheism just wasn't enough. i envied weyoun.
It's cliche to always pull the open eyelids down, when someone dies staring at you. Here Odo does not for what ever reason, at least not in the scene shown, perhaps cut off too short? But it shows he doesn't quite know what to do and he has known death before.
Why didn't he just fake it....
I sort of liked this one
loyalty to the dominion
And they probably can detect the difference. The termination thingy in his head probably sends out a signal.
Have to say, DS9 is far better then TNG...The writing, characters, storylines...all of it. Funny, as a Star wars fan I never had much interest in the Star Trek universe.....Started watching all the episodes of TNG and are working through DS9..Lol..Then Voyager?
#blessed
DS9 is one of the best Star trek, because it deals so much with spirituality... In the past, we spent so much time talking about how being an all-powerful alien does not make you a God. DS9 however flips it on its head are gives respect to those aliens that actually do see other aliens as their gods like the Vorta and the Bajorans. And it also gave is the realisation that the Ferengi were deeply can I say spiritual about their rules of acquisition. And that the Federation were wrong about them also...
The only thing that might have made this better is if a Federation officer and a 'bigoted' Cardassian or Romulan, for example, were stuck in a ship together, only for them to reveal to the Federation Officer that they thought it was stupid that the Vorta and Bajorans did see other aliens as gods. Only for the Federation Officer to reflect on their own bigoted views and accept that they should have more respect for others' ways of life.
I think they tried that with Major Keira and Sisco but it was not strong enough for me.
What if Odo had said, "you have my friendship." instead??
I mean holy shit this scene right
Came here to post this
Blessing?
Did this air before or after Galaxy Quest? This scene seems awfully familiar.
Galaxy Quest did come after this episode, but it makes sense that it would be familiar. Galaxy Quest was, in every way, a love letter and homage to Star Trek...with some comedy and satire as well. Some people have called it a great "Star Trek" movie because it has so much of the essence of Star Trek in it. It's like The Orville but as a movie ^^
By Grabthar's hammer!
@@MandaloreV ... you will be avenged.
He should have faked his death and acted like the implant was activated. Nevermind, i assume the vorta can track the implant.
What did he yell?
the best thing about Vorta is you can just clone another.
And the next one will be even more defective.
@@toddstewart9070 actually yeah he is he's so defective he almost shoots ODo A FOUNDER HE ALMOST SHOOTS AT A FOUNDER!!
There must be some sort of mental degradation in the Vorta cloning process.
Oh he''s the creepy guy from t The Frighteners?
Among other roles.
Was kinda stupid to transport such a high-value prisoner on a simple runabout.
The main characters in DS9 are so very bland, but the supporting regulars and the guest stars are what makes the show great.
The Vorta act like obsessed fan boys around changelings lol
He could have faked the activation of the implant.
That would be disloyal to the dominion, even though Weyoun was "defecting" he was doing it out of pure love for the dominion.
Also its an implant, so there's probably some kind of signal that goes out to tell if it actually was activated.
I can see how easily Worf was able to break Weyoun 7's neck, when Worf never managed to do that to anyone else. It takes relatively little force.