full view of my game: th-cam.com/video/BSWDUyJrzpM/w-d-xo.html full view of amemiya's game: th-cam.com/video/SQjwusqjgRg/w-d-xo.html honestly the third place who had almost all the badges decided everything. if amemiya got the KO instead, it would've been 25% vs. 100% and there's no way i could survive that long
You realize that your ruining the 4wide combo chain by constantly stopping, adding a couple of pieces to the wall, and then going back and doing 3 drops, and then going back and building the wall again. That's not how it works, the drops have to be consecutive or you might as well not be doing it at all. It's like trying to cook with a pressure cooker but your constantly opening it to check the food.
@@tennohack6704 please don't act so aggressive when you don't know what you are talking about, especially when everyone pointed it out in the comments. if you check for example at 27:19, i send 2 lines with a double, but amemiya received 12 lines; that's margin time, where damage sent is increased. there is NO point in doing it consecutively because: - it doesn't send any more lines because opponent's garbage queue is already full - it empties the resources that i have, making me more vulnerable to counters. if you check 19:56, amemiya literally started to counter because i had no resources left, saying it himself. i'm just keeping as much resources as possible while sending occasional damage, that's the way to go. i think i should know that given how much i play this game, right? :)
@@Doremy Not to backpedal but I'm sorry if i came off as 'aggressive', I was annoyed but i didn't mean to sound like just another pissed off youtube comment. I've been having a bad couple of days and i guess i came on way too strongly. Your right as I (obviously) do have less experience in pvp, (i usually stick to practice as i prefer to just play endless at level one and go at my own speed) and if i was more chill about it i probably would have just asked why you did that, as apposed to asserting that it was incorrect. Sorry bout that
and then Doremy goes the same things too damn that kinda great. letting the enemy waste their time blasting and wasting while the other just calming doing that since the stack are limited. the garbage I mean
It's so cool watching how Amemiya breaks up the damage into single line chunks, making it almost impossible to take any significant damage with one attack. That's masterfully done - really cool tech to stay alive for so long.
I like the break up strategy but I think extra garbage past the limit should shorten the timer for the garbage in progress. Doremy sent a lot of lines that contributed no advantage which seems wrong from a competitive standpoint. but then again there are probably ~100 players in the world who would ever find themselves in this situation so the dev team probably doesn't care.
@@SanNico They did, tetris pvp isn't new. It's just how it has to be played at high level play or else doremy and amemiya would be able to kill everyone in the game not at their level in minutes because they can send garbage so much faster than everyone.
@@j03man44 Extra garbage past the limit shortening the timer wouldn't help. The garbage timer continually gets shorter and shorter as the game progresses. The strat that amemiya is using is just stalling each drop so that the garbage doesn't spawn for as long as possible, because garbage only spawns once the timer has run down all the way and you make a drop that doesn't clear a line. He's trying to clear a single line with each drop so that the garbage doesn't spawn and he wants to do it slowly so that doremy wastes all his material comboing and sending garbage that won't make a difference.
i still can’t believe why people hating on amemiya playing defensive,it’s one of the mechanics of the game and the best player master all the mechanics and he’s one of the best just like doremy
@@Jesin00 4wide is genuinely as broken (in margin time, each time doremy sends anything it's a whopping 12 lines) so it's the ultimate defensive strat against the ultimate offensive strat.
There's something beautiful of the two songs mixing together. it really adds to it, have a happy melody with a dark beat while going on for half and hour makes it sound like a boss fight against a character who seemed to be a good guy
Squsodu very late reply, but amemiya was looking at doremy's screen (the tiny card-like screen on the right or left you see when you play the game). This is proven by amemiya always counter attacking whenever he notices that doremy no longer has a 4wide stack. Edit: 19:57 this is a good example
@@squareball7017 you steal the badge power out of the enemies you KO. (let's say you defeat an enemy with 100% badge power, that 100% badge power is yours)
Because Wumbo uses it excessively, with no real purpose. Literally against everybody. Amemiya is of course capable of doing that as well, but he has a reason, being that it’s very good defensively when you add stalling, as he was down on badges in the 1v1. Just a Tetris amateur here, so please correct me if I’m wrong, but that’s what I think
Its not actually because wumbo uses it excessively, hes kind of built a reputation for himself as a 4 wider, in his older videos. Hes also kinda hated so people just hate on him for his 4 wide for a different reason than excessive usage.
I swear to god, the whole thing with stalling with the pieces so much feels like a dominance move. Like he's saying 'I *could* end you right now but I feel like playing with my food'
Amemiya's 10 players music: Haha very happy and exciting! Doremy's 10 players music: *Get the Tetris Maximus or else we will kill you in the most brutal and painful way possible.*
As a non-Tetris player, this is really weird. It seems intuitively that stalling should make you just get murdered super hard as soon as you let any piece settle, since an opponent who doesn't stall has been racking up numbers on you the whole time you were chilling out. Is there some kind of gate to impending damage, or a diminishing-returns mechanic, or something? What lets a stalling player survive?
The fact that Tetris 99 only allows 12 lines of damage to be received at one time. Therefore, no matter how many lines a player sends, the receiver can only have a max of 12 received lines.
only 12 lines of garbage can be queued to be dumped into an opponent's play area. any excess garbage lines are just fed to a void at that point. each instance of garbage sent has a small delay before it can be added to their board. Once the delay has expired, the next piece they place that fails to clear a line is when the glowing section is added.
Additionally, and this is a huge piece of why it works, queued garbage will not enter your screen following a piece drop where you cleared a line. You need to be able to set up lines consistently for this to work.
Third time I've watched this battle between titans. It's amazing. Maybe they'll add an update to combat this since they specifically didn't have defending because it caused games to stall, but I kinda hope not. The only way I feel would be fair to combat this would be is if after full margin time has elapsed the game would wait a certain number of seconds (it could even be psudorandom) and give all players still alive 1 garbage line regardless of if there is anything in their queue or not and regardless of if they cleared any lines or not, then after another period of time another garbage line... after a few garbage lines it starts sending them twice as fast or two at a time, and so on increasing the amount of forced garbage at one or decreasing the duration between forced garbage, to a maximum/minimum of 12 forced lines at once or 1 garbage line per second.
I remember in Tetris Ultimate, in competitive matches (AI or PVP) after a certain limit incoming garbage becomes permanent (a full line with no gaps and doesn't clear). I actually sort of hated it, but on the other hand I understand the benefit to having a hard time limit on some formats.
@@Stratelier I wouldn't want the additional garbage to be unclearable, that way with enough skill a player could use that garbage as ammunition or they could stall long enough for their opponent to become overwhelmed by the additional lines.
As someone who doesn't fully understand the mechanics of T99, amemiya stalling really does look like a lame/broken strategy. He's at a badge disadvantage, and if not for the single misdrop, he might have held out indefinitely.
It only looks so broken IMO because amemiya does it so well. The thing with long drawn out stalling is you have to make near perfect use out of every one of your pieces. If you make one wrong move, you will die.
Koishi well put. It’s a lot harder than he makes it look. It looks lame and cheap because Amemiya is just so good and consistent at the game, but if it was easy then everyone would be able to do what he does.
Tbh, I watched the whole video just to see amemiya stalling. It's does not seem lame or broken for me because only the best players in the world can pull it off like that. I think it is far more impressive to watch someone stalling like that, than the usual tetris99 gameplay.
I welcome Mark to try what Amemiya is doing if it's so easy. It's incredibly difficult and still requires you to maximize every piece. Hence why Amemiya dies after he misdrops at the end.
Imagine if it didn't have a cap. If everyone teamed up on the same guy (which happens frequently) they'd be out of the game no question. Just stack with garbage and change target and they're screwed
@@anewfuture if you remove cap then 4w will just bury the opponent to death. there isn't any real solution without breaking the game itself, this is as neutral as we can get
@@Doremy one solution could be after some time (after 10 min or more ) you enter into a death match where when you do a line but the opponent has full already, it's increases length of the line that will spawn on him. actually, it's not choking me that's this is capped but it's shocking that's on the late game because of this cap he has only 1 or 2 lines to eliminate each time
When you left a comment on your solo vid saying a side by side would be made, I knew I had to search for it, to see if the other side was as hectic. I'm amused and surprised.
Could someone explain how the left cleared so many lines but it doesn’t increase the right’s lines at once in certain places? Also what does the percentage mean?
Holy shit, this almost makes me want to shell out the money for the Nintendo Switch Membership just so I could play Tetris 99 instead of just sticking with Tetr.io. That match was riveting to watch. That aside, it's kinda amusing how you got the Tetris bot dude to help you with the editing.
Wonder if you could train a neural network to play aggressively like Doremy or defensively like Amemiya, not sure if it could be trained to use adaptive strategies, e.g. switching from 4w chaining to chaining t-spins, or straight up stalling, etc.
I don't know about a neural network, though probably with enough data, but there's zetris that can switch between tetrises, t-spins, 4-wide, and all clears though not stalling. I believe zetris was made with purely algorithms.
late response, but he wasnt memeing: if amemiya didnt stall that much, he wouldve gotten instantly steamrolled by the badge difference. he didnt have very much of a choice there. matter of fact, you can tell he took the match deadly seriously because he stopped humming at some point LOL
So just like in Panel de Pon, letting your board get too low in high level play is asking for trouble. I've had a few matches of Panel de Pon with my sister that go over 10 minutes, at which point we both just quit by mutual consent and declare ourselves both winners. I never thought that could happen with Tetris, much less matches that go for more than 20 minutes.
I've been in a couple hour long Tetrinet matches, extremely funny. Tetrinet has these power up blocks that give different effects ON TOP OF the standard garbage combos, like block(q)uake reshuffles the entire board, (c)lear wipes out a single line somewhere, (r)andom just removes 3 or so blocks from different spots, and imo the nastiest b(o)mb causes *all o blocks on the other field to explode* leaving 9 square gaps and the "shrapnel" pieces floating in midair. If you try to avoid it by playing high, the unused shrapnel are converted into garbage lines. Anyway in very early versions of the game it was possible for glitch powerups to get "stuck" after the 11th minute and the same block would ALWAYS spawn at that area. Had that happen with quakes a few times. What made them last so long is a quake _isn't ALWAYS negative_ it can sometimes leave you with perfect T-spin setups which is what kept happening. Entertaining as hell game, and so hectic 😂
Some numbers don’t seem to add up. I wonder why? At 27:12 Amemiya sends 4 lines of garbage, Doremy receives 12. Same at 27:19, Amemiya sends 1 line, Doremy receives 12. Does Tetris 99 multiply the garbage when a game goes on for a long time?? 🤔
![[Tetris 99] what the fuck was that top 3 (Doremy vs. あめみや vs. ロイ, 727 lines cleared)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/PsM2ac6EpZ0/mqdefault.jpg)
![[Tetris 99] what the fuck was that top 3 (Doremy vs. あめみや vs. ロイ, 727 lines cleared)](/img/tr.png)
![[Tetris 99] i will not go down easily (1 vs 4, 0% vs 100% + 100% + 25% + 75%, 742 lines cleared)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/JAQL8STYXLw/mqdefault.jpg)
![[Tetris 99] 6-minutes attack/defense vs. amemiya (あめみや) (25-11-2019) (811 lines sent)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/W2ARJN6CelM/mqdefault.jpg)
![[Tetris 99] あめみや (amemiya) vs. the world (1 vs. 98)](/img/n.gif)
full view of my game: th-cam.com/video/BSWDUyJrzpM/w-d-xo.html
full view of amemiya's game: th-cam.com/video/SQjwusqjgRg/w-d-xo.html
honestly the third place who had almost all the badges decided everything. if amemiya got the KO instead, it would've been 25% vs. 100% and there's no way i could survive that long
Doremy obviously you are better! :3
The third place has just 2k badge its insane
You realize that your ruining the 4wide combo chain by constantly stopping, adding a couple of pieces to the wall, and then going back and doing 3 drops, and then going back and building the wall again. That's not how it works, the drops have to be consecutive or you might as well not be doing it at all.
It's like trying to cook with a pressure cooker but your constantly opening it to check the food.
@@tennohack6704 please don't act so aggressive when you don't know what you are talking about, especially when everyone pointed it out in the comments.
if you check for example at 27:19, i send 2 lines with a double, but amemiya received 12 lines; that's margin time, where damage sent is increased.
there is NO point in doing it consecutively because:
- it doesn't send any more lines because opponent's garbage queue is already full
- it empties the resources that i have, making me more vulnerable to counters. if you check 19:56, amemiya literally started to counter because i had no resources left, saying it himself.
i'm just keeping as much resources as possible while sending occasional damage, that's the way to go. i think i should know that given how much i play this game, right? :)
@@Doremy Not to backpedal but I'm sorry if i came off as 'aggressive', I was annoyed but i didn't mean to sound like just another pissed off youtube comment. I've been having a bad couple of days and i guess i came on way too strongly. Your right as I (obviously) do have less experience in pvp, (i usually stick to practice as i prefer to just play endless at level one and go at my own speed) and if i was more chill about it i probably would have just asked why you did that, as apposed to asserting that it was incorrect. Sorry bout that
Amemiya: happiness noises
Doremy: *EPIC SPACE BATTLE*
It do be like that
space theme is clearly top-tier
ameriya?: kirby-like happy defense guy
doremy: the relentless king dedede-like attacker
5:15 wtf
Try out tetris, have some break from osu :D
Giant nonsensible t spin structure ftw
gotta love fancy tspins ed
one day you will do this.
...maybe. :')
@@Doremy You have a tutorial on how to do it?? I know T-Spin doubles but that's about it🤷
* wait a fockin minute*
So this is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object
Damn
Doremy: Unstoppable Force
Amamiya: Immovable Object
They both break, but one breaks faster
Technically Amemiya had less badges so the playing field wasn't exactly equal
Dat Boii Well that’s why he’s the immovable object and not the unstoppable force
you know its serious when amemiya stops humming
Hes so cute when he sings
Everyone gangsta until Ame-boy stops on reading live chat.
wait it's the funny brawlhalla man
@@davidlivingston1633 yeah lmao
Games trash lmaooo
i love how doremy goes "bro wtf is this guy for rEAL" and amemiya is there just "doo doo doo doodoo doo"
and then Doremy goes the same things too damn that kinda great. letting the enemy waste their time blasting and wasting while the other just calming doing that since the stack are limited. the garbage I mean
this looks like one of those "your mom vs your dad" mobile game ads
Nah. There isn't any person obviously better
Your mom vs your mom
Its like, your brother vs your other brother
Except they both are good
This is when your mom and dad are both just as good.
It's so cool watching how Amemiya breaks up the damage into single line chunks, making it almost impossible to take any significant damage with one attack. That's masterfully done - really cool tech to stay alive for so long.
I like the break up strategy but I think extra garbage past the limit should shorten the timer for the garbage in progress. Doremy sent a lot of lines that contributed no advantage which seems wrong from a competitive standpoint. but then again there are probably ~100 players in the world who would ever find themselves in this situation so the dev team probably doesn't care.
you can counter this by also stalling
@@j03man44 That's a common flaw in many puzzle games. Devs simply didn't think players could send that many garbage in a very short time.
@@SanNico They did, tetris pvp isn't new. It's just how it has to be played at high level play or else doremy and amemiya would be able to kill everyone in the game not at their level in minutes because they can send garbage so much faster than everyone.
@@j03man44 Extra garbage past the limit shortening the timer wouldn't help. The garbage timer continually gets shorter and shorter as the game progresses. The strat that amemiya is using is just stalling each drop so that the garbage doesn't spawn for as long as possible, because garbage only spawns once the timer has run down all the way and you make a drop that doesn't clear a line. He's trying to clear a single line with each drop so that the garbage doesn't spawn and he wants to do it slowly so that doremy wastes all his material comboing and sending garbage that won't make a difference.
i still can’t believe why people hating on amemiya playing defensive,it’s one of the mechanics of the game and the best player master all the mechanics and he’s one of the best just like doremy
Yeah honestly this is on the game designers for allowing this strategy to work
@@Jesin00 4wide is genuinely as broken (in margin time, each time doremy sends anything it's a whopping 12 lines) so it's the ultimate defensive strat against the ultimate offensive strat.
KimonoA hes justifying it, not saying its bad
I think it's balanced. 4-wide ren style is obviously broken. So it need a equally broken strategy to be countered.
It's just annoying cuz I wanna watch both sides frantically place pieces all match 😂
Doremy: Bam Bam Bam, another one and another one.
Amemiya: hmm let's see, this one goes there, hmm Nah, let's take the other one.
Doremy: ORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORA
Amemiya: Chotto matte, Hakuna Matata
Steveluvscows lolll
doremy attacks a lot while amemiya attacks less, but does more powerful strikes.
For Amemiya and Doremi, every game is 1 v 98 free points until they meet each other then it becomes
1 v 1 + 97 free points
this game would be ruined if everyone could stall that well
There is a saying about the players optimizing all the fun out of a game.
@@seol3075 no one gives a fuck
Forexum Yea ok Luigi go back to your Mansion
@@forex2893 Someone's having a bad mood
Jahacob yeah that’s been my experience too. I have no idea how to deal with the people that send garbage none stop.
Doremy : I AM SPEED
Amemiya : I'll do this nice and slowly
amemiya stops humming at 9:59
There's something beautiful of the two songs mixing together. it really adds to it, have a happy melody with a dark beat while going on for half and hour makes it sound like a boss fight against a character who seemed to be a good guy
i feel like this game would have ended much sooner if it was played from this view
Yeah the strategic differences of a direct 1v1 are really interesting
Squsodu very late reply, but amemiya was looking at doremy's screen (the tiny card-like screen on the right or left you see when you play the game). This is proven by amemiya always counter attacking whenever he notices that doremy no longer has a 4wide stack.
Edit: 19:57 this is a good example
Jfan
Do you think Doremy was employing a similar strategy?
@@Aflay1 in the video with only Doremy's game Amemiya's window is nearly completly blocked, only the the three or four lowest lines are visible.
“Remind yourself that overconfidence is a slow, and insidious killer.”
eyyyyyy
I'm sure it can sometimes be pretty quick.
seeing this match makes me easily forget about amemiya’s *50%* badge power vs Doremy’s 100%
Sorry I don't play Tetris but how does that work?
@@dlarewolfe2273 same
higher badge power leads to higher amount of lines sent or garbage lines cleared
@@melodywawichi802 if it's bought, isnt that pay to win? Or how do u get badge power?
@@squareball7017 you steal the badge power out of the enemies you KO. (let's say you defeat an enemy with 100% badge power, that 100% badge power is yours)
Spoilers:
Wow a single misdrop immediately shut that game down. He probably could have lasted longer if it weren't for that.
That's what i keep telling my girlfriend:
"I could've lasted longer, but i missdropped"
Misdrops do kill
Well if a tetris game is 35 minutes it will happen evetually
@@KraggHC xD
Yup another 30 min lol
This match was wonderful to watch! Your super aggressive offensive and Amemiya's impressive defense was so interesting to watch!!
Mum: "Get ready to shut down - we're going shopping."
Kid: "Can I just watch this match finish to see who wins?"
Mum: "Oh fine."
This has as much energy as a girl's "Ill be ready in 5 minutes"
nah my family are leaving me alone in home while they are going to shopping so I can play alone and feel free
I love how Amemiya freaked out at 30:50 when he converted his 4-wide into a Tetris. Amemiya loves his 4-wide.
I always wondered why Wumbo gets shat on for 4wide but not Amemiya
it was funny because he wasn't able to rotate it back it had no space rip
Because Wumbo uses it excessively, with no real purpose. Literally against everybody. Amemiya is of course capable of doing that as well, but he has a reason, being that it’s very good defensively when you add stalling, as he was down on badges in the 1v1. Just a Tetris amateur here, so please correct me if I’m wrong, but that’s what I think
@@kindanooby2988 nah you're good i think
Another fellow tetris amateur, well I'm kinda no longer an amateur i can play fast and t spin but still
Its not actually because wumbo uses it excessively, hes kind of built a reputation for himself as a 4 wider, in his older videos. Hes also kinda hated so people just hate on him for his 4 wide for a different reason than excessive usage.
15:21 amemiya counter attack. 19:57 again. 25:35. 27:13 perfect clear, 29:29, 34:53
Thanks
Two Kirbys locked into battle:
One just left a fancy cat cafe.
One just left the Nova fight.
Who will win?
I swear to god, the whole thing with stalling with the pieces so much feels like a dominance move.
Like he's saying 'I *could* end you right now but I feel like playing with my food'
What was that s-spin by Amemiya at 12:15?? I don't think I've ever seen one like that before and didn't know it was possible.
s-spin triple setup except theres a hole
It’s just a s spin triple, doremy does them a lot in ne of his vids
It is possible
I think both wins. Amemiya who withstood such a handicap, and Doremy who defeated 3rd place and won luck and chased Amemiya. Both are great.
I like to imagine Doremy has his mic on, he's just silently focused all the time
...battle of endurance, even with the 50% advantage it still took this long to win the match...amemiya...truly deserves to be called god
yet the community called wumbo is the god lol
負けてなお強いと感じさせる神とそれでも倒しきったドレミーさん双方に拍手。
名勝負は一人では生まれないというのをよく聞くがそれを実感できる試合。
Wow that is not what I thought the other side looked like. XD
It's like that scene in Spongebob where Flats just continuously kept punching Spongebob to no effect.
this match is just a living testament to the dedication that both of you have to this. i can only imagine being this skilled myself, holy moly!
Amemiya's 10 players music: Haha very happy and exciting!
Doremy's 10 players music: *Get the Tetris Maximus or else we will kill you in the most brutal and painful way possible.*
Doremy and Ame: finally, a worth opponent, our battle will be legendary
I know this is old.
An oldie, but a goodie
Doremy was constantly attacking and amemiya was constantly defending.
This game reminded me of Ping Pong.
Rapid attack vs calm stall counter
SHESH!!!!
As a non-Tetris player, this is really weird. It seems intuitively that stalling should make you just get murdered super hard as soon as you let any piece settle, since an opponent who doesn't stall has been racking up numbers on you the whole time you were chilling out. Is there some kind of gate to impending damage, or a diminishing-returns mechanic, or something? What lets a stalling player survive?
The fact that Tetris 99 only allows 12 lines of damage to be received at one time. Therefore, no matter how many lines a player sends, the receiver can only have a max of 12 received lines.
the cooking damage caps at 12, though this is only a tetris 99 thing. in other tetris games it would stack
only 12 lines of garbage can be queued to be dumped into an opponent's play area. any excess garbage lines are just fed to a void at that point. each instance of garbage sent has a small delay before it can be added to their board. Once the delay has expired, the next piece they place that fails to clear a line is when the glowing section is added.
Additionally, and this is a huge piece of why it works, queued garbage will not enter your screen following a piece drop where you cleared a line. You need to be able to set up lines consistently for this to work.
That explains the large amount of Doremy v Zetris battles.
amemiya:has 25% badges
also amemiya:I REFUSE TO DIE
The real challenge here is the amount of strategic Hois placed between the lines.
29:37 Amemiya almost said the f word
Kuso?
I felt this on a personal level
@Alan Jordy it still is the equivalent of "fuck" in Japanese. It's a cultural difference in a sense.
damn it?
2人とも凄すぎるwそもそもこんなに気力続かない……
when the 2 smart kid in class got a different answer
me : seems like dropped well but actually no
Doremy : seems like misdrop but actually planned
画質の違いを見せつけるDoremy氏
草
*When you spin around a Square Block*
That just looks silly imo lmao.
Amemiya knows exactly how to bide his time and precisely when to strike, he's insane
Third time I've watched this battle between titans. It's amazing.
Maybe they'll add an update to combat this since they specifically didn't have defending because it caused games to stall, but I kinda hope not. The only way I feel would be fair to combat this would be is if after full margin time has elapsed the game would wait a certain number of seconds (it could even be psudorandom) and give all players still alive 1 garbage line regardless of if there is anything in their queue or not and regardless of if they cleared any lines or not, then after another period of time another garbage line... after a few garbage lines it starts sending them twice as fast or two at a time, and so on increasing the amount of forced garbage at one or decreasing the duration between forced garbage, to a maximum/minimum of 12 forced lines at once or 1 garbage line per second.
I remember in Tetris Ultimate, in competitive matches (AI or PVP) after a certain limit incoming garbage becomes permanent (a full line with no gaps and doesn't clear). I actually sort of hated it, but on the other hand I understand the benefit to having a hard time limit on some formats.
@@Stratelier I wouldn't want the additional garbage to be unclearable, that way with enough skill a player could use that garbage as ammunition or they could stall long enough for their opponent to become overwhelmed by the additional lines.
Amemiya: see how long my opponent struggle as I happily torture him with time and BLOCKS
The unstoppable force vs The Immovable object:
*LEGENDARY*
As someone who doesn't fully understand the mechanics of T99, amemiya stalling really does look like a lame/broken strategy.
He's at a badge disadvantage, and if not for the single misdrop, he might have held out indefinitely.
It only looks so broken IMO because amemiya does it so well. The thing with long drawn out stalling is you have to make near perfect use out of every one of your pieces. If you make one wrong move, you will die.
Koishi well put. It’s a lot harder than he makes it look. It looks lame and cheap because Amemiya is just so good and consistent at the game, but if it was easy then everyone would be able to do what he does.
Tbh, I watched the whole video just to see amemiya stalling. It's does not seem lame or broken for me because only the best players in the world can pull it off like that. I think it is far more impressive to watch someone stalling like that, than the usual tetris99 gameplay.
I welcome Mark to try what Amemiya is doing if it's so easy. It's incredibly difficult and still requires you to maximize every piece. Hence why Amemiya dies after he misdrops at the end.
@@tullydx It can be both skill intensive and lame at the same time.
Stalling like this shouldn't even be possible.
But it is thanks to the garbage block queue apparently having a cap.
Imagine if it didn't have a cap. If everyone teamed up on the same guy (which happens frequently) they'd be out of the game no question. Just stack with garbage and change target and they're screwed
@@ite547 if you got ganked, you can target on attacker lol. The more people target you, the bigger the damage you'll deal.
@@anewfuture if you remove cap then 4w will just bury the opponent to death.
there isn't any real solution without breaking the game itself, this is as neutral as we can get
@@Doremy one solution could be after some time (after 10 min or more ) you enter into a death match where when you do a line but the opponent has full already, it's increases length of the line that will spawn on him. actually, it's not choking me that's this is capped but it's shocking that's on the late game because of this cap he has only 1 or 2 lines to eliminate each time
"Now is the time. Two Titans meet - as it was written."
- Dr. Samuel Hayden
Quote from Doom Eternal
I get that it's a legitimate strategy, but man would I have been annoyed if Doremy lost
The only reason why dormy would've lost was too many missdrops, or internet issues, or hunger
@@R8Spike "Or hunger"
Yeah, I can totally see them endure hunger for at least 36 hours before one of them gives up
its so cute when あめみや hums
When you left a comment on your solo vid saying a side by side would be made, I knew I had to search for it, to see if the other side was as hectic. I'm amused and surprised.
神配信でドレミー君が来ると得した気がするのは僕だけではないはず
いつか日本に来て思う存分 神とぷよテトで戦って欲しい
同条件ならどっちが上なんだろう？気になるねぇ
ぷよテトで戦ってるよ( ˙-˙ )それとも今以上に戦って欲しいってことかな？
つちたん ぷよテトやってるけど住んでるところ遠いから多少ラグがあったりして公平ではないからってことでは？
@@らい-y3j その通り そういう事です
@@中島良憲 そゆことでしたか！
理解力なくてすみません
全力の2人見てみたい( ˙-˙ )
anemiya missed pc at 7:20 to keep 4wide integrity, something ive never considered doing before :O
It's just insane to see how the garbage counter (?) of amemymayagjzzkfy is always full
Love the name.
I wouldn't be able to bear that pressure
Not for even for a single minute
with how i play tetris 99, i'd be placing pieces as fast as possible, no stalling... usually what gets me killed everytime.
I like this game very much.
なんか火力が隣そのまま行ってる感じが好き
27:13
Could someone explain how the left cleared so many lines but it doesn’t increase the right’s lines at once in certain places? Also what does the percentage mean?
The percentages pretty much can mean who Is at an advantage and who is at a disadvantage.
Holy shit, this almost makes me want to shell out the money for the Nintendo Switch Membership just so I could play Tetris 99 instead of just sticking with Tetr.io. That match was riveting to watch. That aside, it's kinda amusing how you got the Tetris bot dude to help you with the editing.
激闘すぎる…30分も気力持つとかすげぇよ
Wonder if you could train a neural network to play aggressively like Doremy or defensively like Amemiya, not sure if it could be trained to use adaptive strategies, e.g. switching from 4w chaining to chaining t-spins, or straight up stalling, etc.
I don't know about a neural network, though probably with enough data, but there's zetris that can switch between tetrises, t-spins, 4-wide, and all clears though not stalling. I believe zetris was made with purely algorithms.
This is like seeing two Super Saiyan Gods face off against each other. Intensely awesome.
aaah yes thank you i was looking forward to this!
33:25 入りません定期いいな
メロディがアニソンっぽい
It's too great to be able to fight properly with Amemiya-san!
例の35分試合やん
the misdrop heard round the world
The 1v1 begins at 12:30. Thank me later
Thanks
Amemiya is so cute! The happy humming while playing haha
12:30amemiyavsDoremy
I didn’t know it was possible to sweat Tetris until now
cant blame the man for meming when hes that good
late response, but he wasnt memeing: if amemiya didnt stall that much, he wouldve gotten instantly steamrolled by the badge difference. he didnt have very much of a choice there. matter of fact, you can tell he took the match deadly seriously because he stopped humming at some point LOL
12:31 start of the 1v1
So just like in Panel de Pon, letting your board get too low in high level play is asking for trouble.
I've had a few matches of Panel de Pon with my sister that go over 10 minutes, at which point we both just quit by mutual consent and declare ourselves both winners. I never thought that could happen with Tetris, much less matches that go for more than 20 minutes.
I've been in a couple hour long Tetrinet matches, extremely funny.
Tetrinet has these power up blocks that give different effects ON TOP OF the standard garbage combos, like block(q)uake reshuffles the entire board, (c)lear wipes out a single line somewhere, (r)andom just removes 3 or so blocks from different spots, and imo the nastiest b(o)mb causes *all o blocks on the other field to explode* leaving 9 square gaps and the "shrapnel" pieces floating in midair. If you try to avoid it by playing high, the unused shrapnel are converted into garbage lines.
Anyway in very early versions of the game it was possible for glitch powerups to get "stuck" after the 11th minute and the same block would ALWAYS spawn at that area. Had that happen with quakes a few times. What made them last so long is a quake _isn't ALWAYS negative_ it can sometimes leave you with perfect T-spin setups which is what kept happening. Entertaining as hell game, and so hectic 😂
Doremy: THE TRUE FINAL BATTLE
Amemiya: Level 1 music
Some numbers don’t seem to add up. I wonder why?
At 27:12 Amemiya sends 4 lines of garbage, Doremy receives 12. Same at 27:19, Amemiya sends 1 line, Doremy receives 12.
Does Tetris 99 multiply the garbage when a game goes on for a long time?? 🤔
It’s the badges
For everyone complaining about amemiya playstyle. Doremy could have stall his offensive, but he just didn't do it. Stop being angry dudes
Looks like a douchy playstyle lol
This definitely beat 2 months ago 20 minutes game against amemiya lol
It's amazing to see how ame chooses which garbage to take and use every piece nearly most efficiently
amemiya's pieces be dancin'
Amemiya: Kalm
Doremy: *Intense controller smashing*
The DDDD cannon, the most legendary of t-spin cannons
Doremy: 4 wide practice.
amemiya: Survival on expert.
Doremy vibing for like 2 minutes
概要欄が英語すぎてわかんねぇ...
Doremyさんフランスだからフランス語な気がする...
@@Zミノ-f4n そうなのね笑
学が無くて分かんなかったわ笑
いや英語ぞ？
Such a beautiful showcase of 4-wide!
I have a question:
at 27:10, there's clearly a 4 on amemiya's screen but it sends wayyyy more than 4 lines.
Why is that?
Is this some stalling magic
Margin time in T99 makes your attacks send more late game (past 10 minutes I believe) but they only still cancel the displayed amount of lines
ohhhh right thanks
12:30 for everyone, 13:15 for 2p
I’m a noob at tetris and man! This is satisfying,
I guess the mindset of a pro is different cause I would be panicking if I had 12 row garbage piled up nonstop
Half expected Megalovania to start playing half way through
Gotta feel bad for that one dude that took all 3 possible t-spin attacks in an instant
やっぱりあめみや(神)とドレミーくん上手すぎてついて行けない
Duel of the fates starts playing at the start of this
unstoppable force vs immovable object