My COMPLETE Build spreadsheet for my turbo Miata: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1utxt6RxZKm9tagEljE45dF8TdDBuiJMvdeBqbGWcQg0/edit?usp=sharing Learn how to route turbo vacuum lines here: th-cam.com/video/_YEVdbX4Nd0/w-d-xo.html My 2.5" Straight Pipe Setup: th-cam.com/video/54xZ5oKeDAc/w-d-xo.html
I’ve been pretty much building my turbo Miata at the same rate you’ve been making these videos. Have been boosted for about a month now, never been dyno tuned and pretty much did everything in this video. Especially word to caution on spark map tuning. Keep it very conservative. Other than that, balling on a ebay budget at around $1800 for everything except a clutch and it’s been awesome. I love this series.
That’s awesome! Mines been done for about 2 months, I upload the videos slowly once they’re done. This process certainly works great if you’re not trying to get the absolute maximum out of your car. Enjoy it!
Great info… I should have watched this 2 weeks ago… I think I hit an area of my map that advanced my timing too much that I blew a hole in a piston. It’s pretty loud and I didn’t hear any pings, but it’s the only explanation that I have come to… Great series - thanks.
dude thank you for telling me what I should NOT start to TRY to TUNE so I DONT fuck myself over. so THANK YOU so much myman your a unicorn around these parts
You’re welcome, it certainly takes a lot of research to tune a car from scratch. It’s doable but more risky than auto tune and certainly more risky than paying a professional. Good luck with your project, what are you building?
@@CashedOutCars an slk230 right now the engines a stock supercharged m111 with a slow 5speed, I've been fixing building up all past year and about to get ready for inspection. I've scoured forums and now in search of a good ECU I can usually use with another build if I decide to swap it. because without a turbo its max maybe could be like 350 which I dont think is bad honestly aspecially for a daily.
CashedOutCars - I wouldn’t call them “budget”, I see them as a few gentlemen who remember that greed isn’t the name of the game. They’re a company motivated by genuine goals of helping provide a good quality product to people that aren’t chasing popularity, a true auto enthusiasts company. They’ve gone above and beyond to help me when I had wiring issues with my car, they’ve always been spot on with any questions I’ve had, never leaving me waiting too long. I cant hardly wait to get their COPS kit on my na6 Miata, I stopped making my own just because I wanted to support them. Vote with your dollars, it’s the most effective way to show support in this age.
I agree, their customer support is huge. Their price point is still “budget” compared to everything else in the standalone market, but their product punches way outside its price point. Good stuff!
I ran my Subaru NA tune for awhile it worked fine, rising rate FPR, big intercooler, and I didn't run one of those idiotic short "cool air intakes" that pull hotttt ass air from the heated engine compartment, I pulled air from the fog-light hole. Nice and cool down there 😎
So would you recommend running a data log or using the auto tune feature in tunerstudio to dial in the tune? Whenever I was NA auto tune seemed to work better for me.
Fantastic tutorial! I have been on the fence about boosting my nissan hardbody for a couple years now because I like the idea of tuning myself but don't want to bring it to anyone for a tune. I want to keep it easy to work on, not make it a pain in the ass and unreliable. Looks like my first part for boost will be a stand alone ECU. Thanks for the tips. Im looking at the megasquirt pnp or maybe the microsquirt so i can swap it between different cars. Wish I had known about VE analyzer sooner or I would have had it making boost by now. I gapped the rings for boost on the block I rebuilt so I think its time for some boost. How much boost do you think my oem style pistons can handle? The rods I think are forged from the factory but still on the small side. The pistons are probably the weakest link in my setup.
Essentially, if there’s a base map already made that’s tried and true on your engine start with that. It’s a great place to get the car started and generally have a safe spark table. And then from there you can dial in your VE table to get the car running well. Id suggest not messing with spark tables too much unless you have a good ear for knocking or a knock sensor, as advancing your timing too much can lead to failure
I’d highly recommend the DIYAutoTune 1.8 turbo map as a starting point but I can send you mine to reference. If your car blows up though, it’s not on me and you will still need to dial it in regardless as mine is a work in progress due to a new firmware update! Email me cashedoutcars@gmail.com
I started with the 1.6 stock since I started with a non turbo car, then I modified the map to fit the turbo setup (scaled the tables for boost, pulled timing, etc)
@@CashedOutCars would it be possible to see your maps so I get a basic understanding of what to do? I'm going to be running a td04 turbo kit and wanting to run about 5psi. What would I be mainly adjusting when doing this tune?
You may be able to squeeze a bit more performance out with a remap, but likely you'd be able to do that on stock injectors. Once you start upping the boost and upgrading parts or your turbo then you'd be more likely to be pushing the limits of the injector. It all depends on what car it is though!
@@CashedOutCars Thanks! Though it is more of a downsized economy car, from a 1.5 four to a 1.0 3-pot turbo. I'm afraid they'd use smaller injectors at possibly 60% flow ( i forgot the correct phrase ) so the fuel system might feel uhh shuddery, like, on-off and not smooth
Great video !!! Here’s the thing with my miata , my stock ecu went bad and I bought a speedyefi ecu but I need to run a naturally aspirated tune but basically the stock tune but I can’t find anything of that and was wondering if you know where I can find this ??
@@jesselopez0008 so the combustion is from what then? I thought rich meant more gas? oh so fuel cut you mean so it just sends unburnt fuel vapors to exhaust ?
Preeshiate the info on tuning. I'll be looking forward to trying it myself. I recently had to have my 1.6 rebuilt due to me messing with the tune. 250hp btw is to much for stock internals. I know this to be true. A costly lesson indeed. My 1.6 has forged internals now and I'll have it all back together by mid September. Its really cool to see someone put a turbo car together so cheap and have it work really Awesome.
@@CashedOutCars ty. The machine shop talked me into the forged internals. All I know is 2 months of not having my miata going is hard. I waited all winter to drive it this spring and summer. I shouldn't have turned the boost up. Oh well. Next time!!
I had a similar experience not having mine ready this summer, and it was for a much sillier issue.. video to follow on the channel😂glad you’ll have it back and ready for more!
I just installed a turbo kit on a Kia Forte koup 2012 I need a tune ASAP but idk if the factory ecu can be tuned or do I need an aftermarket one? if so what kind will work/fit my car? And what others mods, I’m a beginner so I need help, preferably good advices thanks 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I'm not sure about the stock tuneability on those, definitely look into it before beating on the car because you need to make sure you're getting enough fuel otherwise you'll cause damage quickly. Good luck!
@@CashedOutCars Actually I’m not hitting the pedal to much cause when the engine reach optimal temp. It start fluttering at low rpm so I might be tuning it soon thanks man 👍🏼
Is a standalone ecu required for loading tunerstudio and megalog viewer onto it? I mean wouldn’t Stock ecu be able to adjust it? - turboing a NA hyundai sonata 2.0 2004
For a sonata im not sure what all the stock ecu is capable of but typically for older cars and especially for cheaper cars the stock ecu isn't capable of reflash tuning which would mean yes u do need to run a standalone
Hey Cash, my car seemed to be idling/driving fine prior to scaling up my tables. After I scaled the tables up to the same tables you got my AFR is in the 20’s and too lean to idle. Any tips?
Make sure your tables have the same MAP rows in the idle area, if you scaled those up they won’t match. Also these tables are very much for reference and have changed quite a bit since this video!
@@CashedOutCars oh okay cool, thanks man. I’ve reverted back to the table whenever it was NA and just scaled up my kpa, I’m about to give it a drive to test that.
You'll be able to use the basic spark and fuel tables to build a tune but a MS tune likely will take some tweeking to get it to work. Speeduino base tunes are available in Speedyloader which I covered in my other SpeedyEFI videos!
I have 92 miata with a speedy EFI it's a 1.6 with a 5 speed like most NAs but I got forged H beam connecting rods forged aluminum Wesco pistons 640 cc injectors and a new Deutschworks fuel pump it's bored out 1mm and I dropped the compression I want to run around 12 PSI I want to make 250 to 300 HP I'm I on the right path or am I gonna blow up my drive train I also have a new clutch and lightweight flywheel
Because that was the easiest place to mount the filter, since it’s intercooler the intake air temperatures are still very reasonable. With that said there are other ways to do it, but this works fine for me!
PLEASE HELP!!! So I just boosted a complete stock 4.6L Ford and it has the stock ecu but I have a sct x4 tunner that lets me retard timing through the rpms and I have a bbk fuel pressure regulator and it lets me add up to 30 more pounds of fuel I’m only running 5 pounds of boost can I just retard timing by 5 degrees or 10 to be safe through all the rpms and add 5-10 pounds of fuel on the FPR ???? Since tuning is just adding fuel and retarding timing anyways??? Or is this a bad idea????
@@meezylife673 if you run lean or run too much timing you will be putting lots of extra heat and stress into your engine in the form of detonation, or uneven combustion. It’s certainly not a good thing if that happens and that’s how engines blow
@@CashedOutCars I been researching a lot. I want to supercharge my car instead of turbocharging. The idea of a compressor using the engine's own oil as lubrication and cooling doesnt sound appealing to me. I prefer a compact package. Im thinking of getting the supercharger off a mini cooper S.
That’d be an interesting build, you’ll be pretty power limited compared to a turbo setup and it’ll likely become more expensive. Remember all factory Turbo’d cars run with the same lubricant as the engine so it’s not something to be scared of. Leave any questions you have on my turbo guide on my channel!
@@CashedOutCars Yes, oh and im talking about the oil line thats running from the new drill hole in the oil pan that runs to the turbo. Im not fond of the idea using the engine oil for a power booster. Superchargers usually have their own oil lines that doesnt rely on the engine's oil.
That’s just a drain line that runs from the turbo to the oil pan! The oil is for lubrication only and isn’t consumed by the turbo. But yes most super chargers do have their own oil source for lubrications. In a sense it’s another maintenance item you’ll have to keep up with. Either way it’ll be a fun build, enjoy the boosted life!
Some people turbo for less than that. Junkyard turbo, intercooler and piping = 150 eBay turbo manifold = 80 Oil feel and drain line = 50 Bov from mazdaspeed3 or junkyard = 20 300
Sure, that’s a good way to have no engine management and build an unreliable, untuneable setup. This has full engine management and everything was purchased new, if I bought used it could have been close to half that
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My COMPLETE Build spreadsheet for my turbo Miata: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1utxt6RxZKm9tagEljE45dF8TdDBuiJMvdeBqbGWcQg0/edit?usp=sharing
Learn how to route turbo vacuum lines here: th-cam.com/video/_YEVdbX4Nd0/w-d-xo.html
My 2.5" Straight Pipe Setup: th-cam.com/video/54xZ5oKeDAc/w-d-xo.html
I’ve been pretty much building my turbo Miata at the same rate you’ve been making these videos. Have been boosted for about a month now, never been dyno tuned and pretty much did everything in this video. Especially word to caution on spark map tuning. Keep it very conservative. Other than that, balling on a ebay budget at around $1800 for everything except a clutch and it’s been awesome. I love this series.
That’s awesome! Mines been done for about 2 months, I upload the videos slowly once they’re done. This process certainly works great if you’re not trying to get the absolute maximum out of your car. Enjoy it!
Is the miata still alive
@@zanderx7I need this answer as well
Gotta say man, you've really demystified a lot of this stuff for me. Incredible video.
Happy to help! Enjoy!
Great info… I should have watched this 2 weeks ago… I think I hit an area of my map that advanced my timing too much that I blew a hole in a piston. It’s pretty loud and I didn’t hear any pings, but it’s the only explanation that I have come to… Great series - thanks.
That's too bad, if you have a hole in your piston you'll be pulling the engine so hopefully that's not it!
dude thank you for telling me what I should NOT start to TRY to TUNE so I DONT fuck myself over. so THANK YOU so much myman your a unicorn around these parts
You’re welcome, it certainly takes a lot of research to tune a car from scratch. It’s doable but more risky than auto tune and certainly more risky than paying a professional. Good luck with your project, what are you building?
@@CashedOutCars an slk230 right now the engines a stock supercharged m111 with a slow 5speed, I've been fixing building up all past year and about to get ready for inspection. I've scoured forums and now in search of a good ECU I can usually use with another build if I decide to swap it. because without a turbo its max maybe could be like 350 which I dont think is bad honestly aspecially for a daily.
Thankfully i don't have to worry about about running lean on the base tune. These RX7 yellow jacket injectors are no joke 😳
Thanks for taking time to make and share your experience with this. Keep up the good work man.
*SpeedyEFI Gang*
Best budget ECU, hands down! Im not totally sure why most people still use Megasquirt other than name recognition!
CashedOutCars - I wouldn’t call them “budget”, I see them as a few gentlemen who remember that greed isn’t the name of the game. They’re a company motivated by genuine goals of helping provide a good quality product to people that aren’t chasing popularity, a true auto enthusiasts company. They’ve gone above and beyond to help me when I had wiring issues with my car, they’ve always been spot on with any questions I’ve had, never leaving me waiting too long. I cant hardly wait to get their COPS kit on my na6 Miata, I stopped making my own just because I wanted to support them. Vote with your dollars, it’s the most effective way to show support in this age.
I agree, their customer support is huge. Their price point is still “budget” compared to everything else in the standalone market, but their product punches way outside its price point. Good stuff!
Hell yeah! Got mine in the mail yesterday! Hoping to get it up and running in anticipation of an m45 supercharger install 😈
This will certainly do the trick! Have fun with your build!
I ran my Subaru NA tune for awhile it worked fine, rising rate FPR, big intercooler, and I didn't run one of those idiotic short "cool air intakes" that pull hotttt ass air from the heated engine compartment, I pulled air from the fog-light hole. Nice and cool down there 😎
Great explanation, bud.
So would you recommend running a data log or using the auto tune feature in tunerstudio to dial in the tune? Whenever I was NA auto tune seemed to work better for me.
What I hear is pull off your main charge pipe and take it to a tuning shop if it’s too difficult?
If you have trouble that's a good move. Make sure you have a filter on there, you don't want a rock in there on the way to get it tuned!
@@CashedOutCars yee
Fantastic tutorial! I have been on the fence about boosting my nissan hardbody for a couple years now because I like the idea of tuning myself but don't want to bring it to anyone for a tune. I want to keep it easy to work on, not make it a pain in the ass and unreliable. Looks like my first part for boost will be a stand alone ECU. Thanks for the tips. Im looking at the megasquirt pnp or maybe the microsquirt so i can swap it between different cars. Wish I had known about VE analyzer sooner or I would have had it making boost by now. I gapped the rings for boost on the block I rebuilt so I think its time for some boost.
How much boost do you think my oem style pistons can handle? The rods I think are forged from the factory but still on the small side. The pistons are probably the weakest link in my setup.
So basically you analyse some ve and spark tables online and convert those to your tune? I want to try that too, can you confirm?
Essentially, if there’s a base map already made that’s tried and true on your engine start with that. It’s a great place to get the car started and generally have a safe spark table. And then from there you can dial in your VE table to get the car running well. Id suggest not messing with spark tables too much unless you have a good ear for knocking or a knock sensor, as advancing your timing too much can lead to failure
Good Video.
do you mind showing what your current afr, ignition, and ve tables are and what psi you are pushing?
Can I get your base map, I have an identical build and can't find a good 1.6 turbo base map
I’d highly recommend the DIYAutoTune 1.8 turbo map as a starting point but I can send you mine to reference. If your car blows up though, it’s not on me and you will still need to dial it in regardless as mine is a work in progress due to a new firmware update! Email me cashedoutcars@gmail.com
Which base map did you use? The 1.6 stock or the 1.8 turbo?
I started with the 1.6 stock since I started with a non turbo car, then I modified the map to fit the turbo setup (scaled the tables for boost, pulled timing, etc)
@@CashedOutCars would it be possible to see your maps so I get a basic understanding of what to do? I'm going to be running a td04 turbo kit and wanting to run about 5psi. What would I be mainly adjusting when doing this tune?
so if i was running 14psi how would i now what values to put in? and when?
If I get myself a turbo car beforehand, can I just get away with bigger injectors and a remap to possibly increase the rpm range?
You may be able to squeeze a bit more performance out with a remap, but likely you'd be able to do that on stock injectors. Once you start upping the boost and upgrading parts or your turbo then you'd be more likely to be pushing the limits of the injector. It all depends on what car it is though!
@@CashedOutCars Thanks! Though it is more of a downsized economy car, from a 1.5 four to a 1.0 3-pot turbo. I'm afraid they'd use smaller injectors at possibly 60% flow ( i forgot the correct phrase ) so the fuel system might feel uhh shuddery, like, on-off and not smooth
Great video !!! Here’s the thing with my miata , my stock ecu went bad and I bought a speedyefi ecu but I need to run a naturally aspirated tune but basically the stock tune but I can’t find anything of that and was wondering if you know where I can find this ??
i could send you a base tune for a bone stock 1.6
@@jakestankiewicz6076 if you could that would be amazing !
@@jakestankiewicz6076 if you could that’s would me amazing brotha !
How about backfires what parameter do you tune?
I think that's when its rich idk
You could also tune the spark table to have late spark
But if you are not a professional I would not advise you to touch those settings as said in the video
@@Mitutumuch nah leaner a/f will give u more pops and bangs
@@jesselopez0008 so the combustion is from what then? I thought rich meant more gas? oh so fuel cut you mean so it just sends unburnt fuel vapors to exhaust ?
What website did you find the tune for base on the turbo startup .
I started with the NA SpeedyEFI base tune and modified it based on the DIYAutotune turbo Miata tune
Preeshiate the info on tuning. I'll be looking forward to trying it myself. I recently had to have my 1.6 rebuilt due to me messing with the tune. 250hp btw is to much for stock internals. I know this to be true. A costly lesson indeed. My 1.6 has forged internals now and I'll have it all back together by mid September. Its really cool to see someone put a turbo car together so cheap and have it work really Awesome.
Have fun with the forged build! Mine is not near 250 whp at this point, but still fun!
@@CashedOutCars ty. The machine shop talked me into the forged internals. All I know is 2 months of not having my miata going is hard. I waited all winter to drive it this spring and summer. I shouldn't have turned the boost up. Oh well. Next time!!
I had a similar experience not having mine ready this summer, and it was for a much sillier issue.. video to follow on the channel😂glad you’ll have it back and ready for more!
Does it once "Expert"
I just installed a turbo kit on a Kia Forte koup 2012 I need a tune ASAP but idk if the factory ecu can be tuned or do I need an aftermarket one? if so what kind will work/fit my car? And what others mods, I’m a beginner so I need help, preferably good advices thanks 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I'm not sure about the stock tuneability on those, definitely look into it before beating on the car because you need to make sure you're getting enough fuel otherwise you'll cause damage quickly. Good luck!
@@CashedOutCars Actually I’m not hitting the pedal to much cause when the engine reach optimal temp. It start fluttering at low rpm so I might be tuning it soon thanks man 👍🏼
Is a standalone ecu required for loading tunerstudio and megalog viewer onto it? I mean wouldn’t Stock ecu be able to adjust it? - turboing a NA hyundai sonata 2.0 2004
For a sonata im not sure what all the stock ecu is capable of but typically for older cars and especially for cheaper cars the stock ecu isn't capable of reflash tuning which would mean yes u do need to run a standalone
Hey Cash, my car seemed to be idling/driving fine prior to scaling up my tables. After I scaled the tables up to the same tables you got my AFR is in the 20’s and too lean to idle. Any tips?
Make sure your tables have the same MAP rows in the idle area, if you scaled those up they won’t match. Also these tables are very much for reference and have changed quite a bit since this video!
@@CashedOutCars oh okay cool, thanks man. I’ve reverted back to the table whenever it was NA and just scaled up my kpa, I’m about to give it a drive to test that.
Could you post the link to the DIY auto tune turbo map? I can’t seem to find it anywhere online
Yup, here you are! www.megasquirtpnp.com/mspnp2_maps.php
@@CashedOutCars thank you so much man, your videos and replies have been such a major blessing! Did you use the 1.8 turbo tune as a reference?
Yes I did
so i’m using speedy efi i wouldn’t be able to use a tune made for a megasquirt?
You'll be able to use the basic spark and fuel tables to build a tune but a MS tune likely will take some tweeking to get it to work. Speeduino base tunes are available in Speedyloader which I covered in my other SpeedyEFI videos!
I have 92 miata with a speedy EFI it's a 1.6 with a 5 speed like most NAs but I got forged H beam connecting rods forged aluminum Wesco pistons 640 cc injectors and a new Deutschworks fuel pump it's bored out 1mm and I dropped the compression I want to run around 12 PSI I want to make 250 to 300 HP I'm I on the right path or am I gonna blow up my drive train I also have a new clutch and lightweight flywheel
Enjoy that thing, with a higher budget build like that I might recommend a pro tuner to take a look!
How did things go im rebuilding the engine right now also mostly these parts let me know how well it worked🫡
question, why is your intake right next to your engine?
Because that was the easiest place to mount the filter, since it’s intercooler the intake air temperatures are still very reasonable. With that said there are other ways to do it, but this works fine for me!
Do you sell a cop kits? I'm looking to buy for my 1.6
I do not unfortunately. SpeedyEFI makes a kit though!
Was gonna get megasquirt but by golly my broke ass wants a little money after the build
This will save you money and you'll get more features than an MS2!
What brand its that turbo filter
It was a generic ebay 3” filter, here’s a listing to what I believe is a very similar one on Amazon: amzn.to/34BbQIy
PLEASE HELP!!! So I just boosted a complete stock 4.6L Ford and it has the stock ecu but I have a sct x4 tunner that lets me retard timing through the rpms and I have a bbk fuel pressure regulator and it lets me add up to 30 more pounds of fuel I’m only running 5 pounds of boost can I just retard timing by 5 degrees or 10 to be safe through all the rpms and add 5-10 pounds of fuel on the FPR ???? Since tuning is just adding fuel and retarding timing anyways??? Or is this a bad idea????
You can try it if you want to risk it. If you have a AFR gauge you can monitor that what you're doing is really helping!
@@CashedOutCars I appreciate it! What can go wrong though???
@@CashedOutCars like what will happen
@@meezylife673 if you run lean or run too much timing you will be putting lots of extra heat and stress into your engine in the form of detonation, or uneven combustion. It’s certainly not a good thing if that happens and that’s how engines blow
@@CashedOutCars dang I appreciate it bro alot
man's really turbo'd a miata for $1200 LOLLLLLL
It ended up being even cheaper after selling off parts. Check out my build summary on the channel if you’re interested!
@@CashedOutCars I been researching a lot. I want to supercharge my car instead of turbocharging. The idea of a compressor using the engine's own oil as lubrication and cooling doesnt sound appealing to me. I prefer a compact package. Im thinking of getting the supercharger off a mini cooper S.
That’d be an interesting build, you’ll be pretty power limited compared to a turbo setup and it’ll likely become more expensive. Remember all factory Turbo’d cars run with the same lubricant as the engine so it’s not something to be scared of. Leave any questions you have on my turbo guide on my channel!
@@CashedOutCars Yes, oh and im talking about the oil line thats running from the new drill hole in the oil pan that runs to the turbo. Im not fond of the idea using the engine oil for a power booster. Superchargers usually have their own oil lines that doesnt rely on the engine's oil.
That’s just a drain line that runs from the turbo to the oil pan! The oil is for lubrication only and isn’t consumed by the turbo. But yes most super chargers do have their own oil source for lubrications. In a sense it’s another maintenance item you’ll have to keep up with. Either way it’ll be a fun build, enjoy the boosted life!
Some people turbo for less than that.
Junkyard turbo, intercooler and piping = 150
eBay turbo manifold = 80
Oil feel and drain line = 50
Bov from mazdaspeed3 or junkyard = 20
300
Sure, that’s a good way to have no engine management and build an unreliable, untuneable setup. This has full engine management and everything was purchased new, if I bought used it could have been close to half that
Please make your way to haggard garbage I mean garage
Scuffed