I saw that video. I hope they make another fast and furios video. I am not a huge fast fan. But there were cool moments. In my opinion the best being that scene at the end of ff 7 where they do the little send off to Paul walker. That part where Bryan and toretto were driving side by side and their lanes diverge was kind of sad.
like elysium, donuts are like a space station. only good good vibrations is surfing radio waves on the moon; surfing nicaragua with a solid tungsten board entwine with a single stone.
Stage 1: bolt ons. Intake, exhaust, wheels, springs, exterior accoutrement. Stage 2: headers, turbo (if equipped) back exhaust, seats, steering wheel, suspension (street), small aero improvements, brakes. Stage 3: turbo (or s/c, all required now except big block) full ecm/tcm, upgraded suspension and brakes required, cage (probably) specific function in mind, aero is undoubtedly a problem now, chassis imptovements (tube frame?) Stage 4: fully everything in that category as far as bolt on or off the shelf parts, ready to attack the track (in whatever form) from what you could find on summitt or Jegs, custom aero, no interior, frame mods, etc... Stage 5: purpose built. Say no more. You have a goal and a plan to meet it. All manufacturers and all records are calculated. You know when you're here.
Except this is so variable. My car has a stage 1 tune, and that’s just a raw computer tune to the transmission and the ECU. It goes from 290hp/290ft-lb torque to 365hp/380ft-lb torque. Bolt ons don’t happen until stage 2. The stages not only depend on the tuning company, but also the car itself. Some cars can’t handle the added power and need upgrades. Some can, and can be tuned significantly before needing to upgrade hardware.
I think solely considering engine upgrades. Stage 1: ECU tune only Stage 2: Upgraded intercooler etc with a bit more tuning Stage 3: Upgraded clutch, turbos etc with a tune
A stage 6 air intake is amazing!! I am so going to use that. And other things like "stage 4 wipers" aerodynamic for more speed. Or stage 5 Schrader valve caps. ( the little rubber stems used to fill air in your tires).
The "Stage" nomelclature actually existed before Grand Tourismo, though I'll agree that the game did expand it's usage to the wider audience. The one example I'm super familiar with is the Buick GS/GSX series starting in 1968 through '75 used "Stages" as an upgrade package options. Stage 1 got you the Wildcat 455 cubic inch engine over the Buick 350, dual exhaust over single, and a larger 4 barrel carb, arriving at the 360hp, 510ft/lb torque monster. Stage 2 was a very rare package option that was sold as a dealer option, or to wrench happy individuals and were shipped out in the trunk of the car, and less than 5 Stage 2 GSX packages were actually installed by the factory. High flow heads, high flow intake manifold, custom exhaust porting, a more aggressive camshaft, hollow pushrods for improved lubrication, forged piston heads, a tuned up 4 barrel carb are what's known, but there could have been other race-inclined options included. Their factory example had a much higher rear differential ratio than the usual GS (at 4.78) to help transfer all that torque to the tires, but I don't know if that was a thing that came with the Stage 2 package or not.
For me it was always like this: Stage 1: Changing Software related stuff without changing anything physically Stage 2: Changing external motor parts like exhaust, air filter, intake/exhaust manifolds, turbo related stuff Stage 3: Swapping internals of the motor like camshaft, crankshaft, pistons, rods...
Plenty of examples of the civic type R out there making 500+ out of the 2.0 k20c1… now getting that power to the ground in a fwd is a totally different story
In Europe everything is way easier. SO here is a short guide to stage tuning. Stage 1 - ECU remap only, everything else is stock Stage 2 - ECU remap + hardware mods. The most common is to cat-delete, remove any eco restrictions and add mods like intake, exhaust, cooling, etc which make more power than stage 1 but the engine is still stock and stock turbo. Stage 3 - upgraded turbo + cooling + exhaust + ECU + MANY more mods possible BUT most of the engine internals (pistons and crankshaft) still remain stock. This is how you can extract maximum power from the engine and still have stock components. Stage 4 - Full engine rebuild and basically limitless upgrades on top of that. So here you have it - 1,2,3,4. Simple and easy
Agreed. I go to some Subaru meets, and people are like "What stage is it." And I'm like.... "Uh... Well, it has this this and that. " And they're like "Okay, but what stage." Me: "Stage 2.37".
The only thing I use stages for is cams, because the kinda guys I talk to don't understand lift/duration and stuff. Other than that I might say "they call it a stage 2 trans" but then proceed to lay out that it comes with better clutch packs that are rated up to 600 ft-lbs input, a custom redone valve body, and a brazed 2200 stall lockup torque converter good for about 500 horsepower. And if I'm talking about something like I'm running twin 57mm precisions feeding a gen3 whipple, etc, etc, and they don't get it then I might dumb it down and say something like "think of it as a solid overall stage 6 setup that makes 1xxx horsepower (for the record I'm running a full bolt on motor right now making maybe 300, not dumb enough to run a thousand horse motor on a 500 horse cobverter.
I wanned to Unserstand but i only hear: TURBO CHARGER, DODGE DEAMON, TUNING, FUEL INJECTORS, EXHAUST, HORSEPOWER, STAGE 1, 2, 3, GRAN TURISMO, PERFORMANCE, MODIFYING, PROGRAMMING THE SOFTWARE, AUDI, SUPRA, REARWHEEL,
I remember when I started learning about cam upgrades for LS3s I remember reading one site that said a stage 1 cam was generally a +30 hp gain and I installed a stage 1 from TX Speed and it gained me about +90 hp.
I hate how they denote everything in stages. That literally tells you nothing. Intake/Exhause duration, lift and lobe seperation are much more helpful. I always see people get the biggest cam they can find only to find out their engine becomes completely unusable on the street and there's not even enough vacuum to work the brake booster.
In the UK the general understanding is; *Stage 1* - ECU software *only* *Stage 2* - ECU + Bolt ons/Induction kit *Stage 3* - All of the above +Turbo Upgrade/ Supercharger. *Stage 4* All of the above + Fully built / forged engine
The only thing you can *kinda* compare across manufacturers is cams, generally beyond stage 3 suffers heavy drivability penalties to deliver better peak, and generally a stage 1 is the only one that can be used with an otherwise stock valvetrain, generally stage 2s and 3s need better valve springs and retainers.
TLDR, is is video game non-sense that idiots who don't know about cars brought to the car world. Or alternately explained, it is video game non-sense that marketing people from performance companies brought to the car world to sell to a larger group of people than just actual car people.
The best part of Gran Turismo is after you fully stage out your car you can race modify it. The surprise that came along with what it look like after the race modification was the coolest. They should totally bring that back to like Forza or something.
In Russia it’s simple, stage 1 is just a remap, maybe with some air filter mods, stage 2 is intake and exhaust replacement. Stage 3 starts with replacing your turbo, but the rest of the engine is stock, any modifications to an engine (cams, pistons, etc) considered to be a stage 4.
Feels good to know a tiny bit about crankshafts, connecting rods, journals, main caps, thrust bearings, etc. Just learned about em in level 1 automotive schooling. Just being able to put an idea and picture to the words is a good feeling. (He mentions these when referring to reinforcing the bottom end of the motor at 10:40)
@@RealNigga0190 Not sure what your situation is but it's truly never too late, and you don't need a school to teach you anything. God bless the internet, good luck.
This is interesting because I always thought: Stage 1 = remap Stage 2 = remap with supporting-type parts (cooling, etc.) Stage 3 = more serious power upgrades like turbos, etc. KNOWLEDGE
Honestly I feel like they sort of are a history show. I've thought about all the various car channels on TH-cam (and elsewhere), and Donut is mostly "how did this car, model, company, way of things in driving and the automobile industry, etc, come to be?" They've sort of diversified from that more recently, but much of their main originals - Bumper2Bumper, Up To Speed, and Wheelhouse - are of this vein. Other popular car channels: MightyCarMods: "What nonsense can we do with this car?" RegularCars: "What does this car mean, in it's time and now, and who is it for?" Top Gear/Grand tour: "How can these cars make 3 old British guys behave like middle schoolers?" Engineering Explained: "How does this car work?"
Well done video. Jeremiah is really coming into his own with these explanation and teaching videos - I think that style fits his personality and dry humor the best.
My 2002 Subaru WRX wagon was Stage 2+ using a cobb SF intake/FULL TBE & was Pro-tuned on 93 gas at a performance shop in my area. Going any higher would cause damage to the stock motor/transmission.
Finally!! I've been so confused about this for so long. My mind is enlightened. Next need to find a vid to explain how you remove all the panels without visible screws in a car T_T And then how to tell what is what on an engine. And then what fluids needs to come out for any given job T_T
I usually see stage numbers used most on clutches, which makes a lot sense. You can easily get an idea of how aggressive the clutch it based on its stage number.
Hey! Trevor here! Long time fan!! Love the show, I have learned so much from watching all you guys! I’ve been wondering about an episode idea, I don’t know too much about transmissions or gearing, stuff along those lines. I would love to see an episode about things among that category! Thanks guys! Keep it up!
My opion on stages for standard turbo car: Stage 1: Software only Stage 2: Software, exhaust mod and intake mod. DeCat or Catback, EGR delete Stage 3: Bigger turbo (internals depend on the strength of your engine)
Never understood stages so thanks for the clarification. As a supra owner, we went by bpu, bpu+, apu. Etc. (Basic performance upgrade, advanced performance upgrades)
In the Subaru community we have a pretty widely accepted "stage" system, its mainly just a quick way to sum up what kind of mods we have. But it's unique to each Make, like a stage 2 Subaru WRX isn't necessarily the same as a stage 2 VW GTI.
I'm building a 2005 Mazda 6 S wagon with 132000 miles. Manual transmission. Got it torn apart now to fix it back to zero. All OEM to get the leaks and squeaks fixed. The body is immaculate aside from a couple small scratches and overall paint decay. I have an engine core to rebuild after I get the thing running. From a 2012 Ford escape 3.0. I'm a Ford and Mazda certified technician. The endgame is street build luxury centrifugal supercharged. Air ride. A/C. Pushing 400hp give or take and running pump gas. I believe I can fly. I reckon I'm gonna try.
When working with companies selling parts for Volvos is seems they usually fallow the IPD rule of thumb of Stage 1 = no internal mods or programming needed Stage 2= programming needed Stage 3 = programming and engine internal upgrades needed. Stage 4 is usually an entire bolt in engine, ecu and add ons.
I've always thought of stages like so Stage 1: street upgrades, nothing crazy, no track days Stage 2: street/ track upgrades, for a car you can drive to a track day and drive it home Stage 3: full on racecar stuff
I dare say, most race cars don't use these things. A lot of GT4 class race cars, like the GT4 Mustang, GT4 Camaro, etc., actually don't have a single engine mod... Basically just better brakes, wheels, and slick tyres. Maaaaaaaybe racing coilovers. B-Spec touring cars, for example, use almost entirely unmodified Ford Fiesta (non-ST trim) or MINI Cooper non-D type cars with ~110 WHP in racing spec Spec Miata, basically all unmodified engines... A majority of modern race cars, you don't really have to turn wrenches on them. Remove interior, weld in a cage, bolt in safety equipment and you're done.
Even that's inconsistent though. One tuning company's "Stage 4" is another's "Stage 2". Only thing the stage numbers is good for is to tell the buyer in which order to buy and install the packages.
Track racing: proper alignment, play with tire pressure, no oil leaks, rev limiter. All you can do with a production car. Then you step up to a mid engine car... Lotus Elise or build a AC Cobra. Low COG, alignment, tirepressure, rev limiter and then build an engine. Max hp is less important than durability.
Grand tourismo give the concept "stage", but without standardization But there's a tuning shop that specializes in modifying audi came up with proper standardization for the "stages" to support their tunes and remap , from stage 1 to stage 3+ Then many tuner follow the steps and came up with their stages, but those stages more or less gave the same ways of modifying from basic remaps to upgrading hardware to support the massive power bump
Not if you're talking about "stages", no. If you have to talk about "stages" to explain the mods done to your vehicle, you shouldn't be peacocking around.
I'd say stages are a measure of the difficulty, to imply labor, cost, and parts package.* *This is understood to not be as compared to other manufacturers only within the same manufacturer.
Stage 1: more wear and mpg for better perfomance Stage 2: intake, exhaust, turbo, camshaft upgrades etc Stage 3: engine and transmission reinforcement thus more aggressive settings Stage 4: deeper rework/redesign i.e. better fuel, pre-chamber ignition Stage 5: a jet engine in the trunk?
"stage" mods also vary by car - For example, in a WRX or STi stage 1 is commonly accepted as an aftermarket tune, stage 2 involves a downpipe (high flow cats or catless) and tune. Stage 3 is where it gets wonky though, as it's usually fuel system, turbo and/or intercooler upgrades and a reflash, but it gets pretty "a-la-cart" depending on the individuals goals. CAI & catback can be done whenever as they don't really have an impact on the cars performance (CAI usually has a negative impact though).
We usually run speed density with NA or mass air flow. When dealing with itb we like to do Alpha-N strategy. Don't know who told him Alpha-N was used in any NA vehicle.
You guys have made me feel old. Thanks a lot! I watched my brother "stage 1" gass flow the head of his 1970's 2 stroke Kawasaki in the mid 80's When video games went beep and were called "pong" 🤣
As far as fiesta guy go, stage 1 is on stock downpipe, stage 2 is when you change the downpipe, stage 3 when you change the turbo, stage 4 when you open the engine changing things like the cams. There si also the stage 5, which is a complete engine rebuild, big whole turbo and shit, 500hp. IC, exhaust, intake, clutch, ecc.. i just a +
Do a Past Gas on the Mille Miglia! The thousand mile race on public roads where you can culminate in the legendary 1955 win by Stirling Moss (who just passed this year) who after the 10 hour race, drove through the night with his girlfriend to have breakfast in Munich, then lunch in Stuttgart and dinner in Cologne. Stirling’s teammates were no laughing matter either, Fangio and Kling rode without Navigator/Mechanics and the last teammate, Herrmann the year before saw the railroad gate lower for the express train to Rome, knocked on his passengers helmet to tell him to duck, because the Porshe was so low, went under the gate and ahead of the train in the middle of the race! Stirling also pioneered the little used pace notes at the time with his journalist ride along giving him hand gestures from his scrolling notes machine. Previously, 90% of the winners were Italian and had circuit knowledge and didn’t have notes. You can also talk about how Alfa’s used to win all the time but under Enzo, Ferrari’s started to dominate.
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“Yeah that’s right buddy, I got stage 5 blinker fluid in this bad boy”
I would chuckle with the person who says that out loud lmao😂
you drive a BMW lol
i got stage 11 shifter knob addictive
My Miata headlight was missing some blinker fluid. No it’s 1337 horsepowers stage 7 zoom zoom!
Fuck! That means you will blind me with the hazards in a race. Time to break out the NOS, hope it doesn't blow up in a blue fireball!
Straight to Stage 7 “ejecto seato cuz”
lol omg how did this not come up on the cringy lines video?!!!
I saw that video. I hope they make another fast and furios video. I am not a huge fast fan. But there were cool moments. In my opinion the best being that scene at the end of ff 7 where they do the little send off to Paul walker. That part where Bryan and toretto were driving side by side and their lanes diverge was kind of sad.
Keep up the tradition😂👍
A great man of culture
Grade a comment. Funny funny
I think I actually like each presenter equally at this point. Pretty incredible. Everyone brings their own vibe but it all feels Donut.
James pumphrey is my favorite, but only a little more than the others
You must've been looking at the hat
like elysium, donuts are like a space station.
only good good vibrations is surfing radio waves on the moon;
surfing nicaragua with a solid tungsten board entwine with a single stone.
ppppp 3:15 3:15 3:15 3:15
My stage 3 cancer doesn't feel like a performance upgrade
You alive bro?
How’s that cancer going?
@rockieg02 he totaled
wrong video bro
I'm genuinely concerned 😅
Stage 1: bolt ons. Intake, exhaust, wheels, springs, exterior accoutrement.
Stage 2: headers, turbo (if equipped) back exhaust, seats, steering wheel, suspension (street), small aero improvements, brakes.
Stage 3: turbo (or s/c, all required now except big block) full ecm/tcm, upgraded suspension and brakes required, cage (probably) specific function in mind, aero is undoubtedly a problem now, chassis imptovements (tube frame?)
Stage 4: fully everything in that category as far as bolt on or off the shelf parts, ready to attack the track (in whatever form) from what you could find on summitt or Jegs, custom aero, no interior, frame mods, etc...
Stage 5: purpose built. Say no more. You have a goal and a plan to meet it. All manufacturers and all records are calculated. You know when you're here.
i think this is a perfect assessment.
Except this is so variable. My car has a stage 1 tune, and that’s just a raw computer tune to the transmission and the ECU. It goes from 290hp/290ft-lb torque to 365hp/380ft-lb torque. Bolt ons don’t happen until stage 2.
The stages not only depend on the tuning company, but also the car itself. Some cars can’t handle the added power and need upgrades. Some can, and can be tuned significantly before needing to upgrade hardware.
so if I buy a 350z for drifting and put a fly off handbrake in it, I have a stage 5 350z? perfect, this isn´t helpful at all imo.
I think solely considering engine upgrades. Stage 1: ECU tune only
Stage 2: Upgraded intercooler etc with a bit more tuning
Stage 3: Upgraded clutch, turbos etc with a tune
had my first car a 320d f30 bmw(184 sttok) stage 1 ed at 227 hp and like 500 nm , there were no parts changed just and ecu change.
"1000 horsepower? Try 2000"
"Try 3000"
"Try 5000"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH
please don't
Try 100000
Yahtzee!!!!
try eleventy billion
My stage 6 Duct tape on the steering wheel mod is laughing at this video rn
lol
I only have a stage 4 myself...double sided sticky tape
😂💀💀
*COOL VIBRATIONS*
XD
TLDR; stages are what they call seasons in Initial D
Final stage
@@AcuraRSX-dz5xf imagine having a final stage turbo kit, the coolest name
@@AcuraRSX-dz5xf give
Yes.
@@dimitristopalis607 imagine having a extra stage turbo
"I'm 15 grand into this project already" lol I felt that
A stage 6 air intake is amazing!! I am so going to use that. And other things like "stage 4 wipers" aerodynamic for more speed. Or stage 5 Schrader valve caps. ( the little rubber stems used to fill air in your tires).
I got stage 7 valve stem caps (they’re made out of 40s&w casings)
@@OkieTA95 Bet it looks badass
Well my eclipse went from stage 0 to stage 100,real quick
What is race Tuning?
Me, who drives a diesel KIA Cee'd: Imma need this.
Slap on a Cummins turbo and a hood stack
Im sure somebody somewhere is deleteing and tuning those
@@iwantsexseemyvideo2263 TF is this?
@@davidsny1190 oh yeah, I'm sure. I already saw a guy putting a spoiler and an extra fake exhaust, same car and engine as mine... *I AM SPEED*
Me, who has no car
i gotta beef up ma legs
I’m going to start a tuning company and label my stages like Cold Stone ice cream sizes.
1. Like it.
2. Love it!
3. GOTTA HAVE IT!!
Make the "3. GOTTA HAVE IT!!" a 1000+bhp package that's barely driveable on the street just for irony's sake
@@EidanMA Then the last package would just be called "Organ Donor"
That stupid af Lol!
I just went to cold stone 😂😂
“Tuning company” you mean fraud? there are tuners and there are salesman, you must mean salesman
This makes me think that a more in depth series on ECU tuning would be really cool.
How do you het that face?
On Your name
@@3sschrmn689 you gotta be a member of the channel
YES
@@carguy7884 wich Channel?
The "Stage" nomelclature actually existed before Grand Tourismo, though I'll agree that the game did expand it's usage to the wider audience.
The one example I'm super familiar with is the Buick GS/GSX series starting in 1968 through '75 used "Stages" as an upgrade package options. Stage 1 got you the Wildcat 455 cubic inch engine over the Buick 350, dual exhaust over single, and a larger 4 barrel carb, arriving at the 360hp, 510ft/lb torque monster. Stage 2 was a very rare package option that was sold as a dealer option, or to wrench happy individuals and were shipped out in the trunk of the car, and less than 5 Stage 2 GSX packages were actually installed by the factory. High flow heads, high flow intake manifold, custom exhaust porting, a more aggressive camshaft, hollow pushrods for improved lubrication, forged piston heads, a tuned up 4 barrel carb are what's known, but there could have been other race-inclined options included. Their factory example had a much higher rear differential ratio than the usual GS (at 4.78) to help transfer all that torque to the tires, but I don't know if that was a thing that came with the Stage 2 package or not.
For me it was always like this:
Stage 1: Changing Software related stuff without changing anything physically
Stage 2: Changing external motor parts like exhaust, air filter, intake/exhaust manifolds, turbo related stuff
Stage 3: Swapping internals of the motor like camshaft, crankshaft, pistons, rods...
Exactly
and I guess stage 4 would be weight, aero, suspension, wheels and brakes?
Forged Valve seats, more resistant valve springs, higher compression head gasket etc all that lovely stuff is all Stage 3 for sure.
@@MikfinityPog stage 5 is putting in a jet turbine you stole from the military
"Big ole honkin turbosharger"
*Shows a Picture of a procharger*
I noticed the same thing and was gonna comment on it haha
glad I wasn't the only one to notice that lol
A procharger is a turbo my dude
I think they are trying to mess with us
@@bradensmith22 Bruh. A procharger is driven by the engine, not exhaust gasses.
At first glance I thought the title said: “What exactly is rice tuning?”
-Instant flashbacks to when Donut modded a McLaren using Autozone parts. 🏎
Yo, they did that?
@@jessiepoofrae6607 im interested as well
... but why?
@@Turambar117 as a prank
I didn’t know auto zone had performance parts. Jak
I want a ‘my other car is a Donut Jerwagen’ sticker
or Pumphrey 902!
you mean the Dount Jerwagen?
me2
Don’t forget to get a Jobe’s P.I.S.S sticker too!
Petition to swap the “r” and “w” in Jerwagen’ for a better name 😎
Its hard to conceptualize a 2.0L making 500+ hp and 500+ ftlb torque. The Jerwagon is a truly remarkable car and what an incredible tune
A Focus ST can make about 450 horse without a whole lot done. And it’s also a 2.0l
powerful 2.0L exist. Some are decently reliable if done right too.
Mercedes-Benz M139 engine,
(2L 4 Cylinder) produces 416hp at the wheels
Plenty of examples of the civic type R out there making 500+ out of the 2.0 k20c1… now getting that power to the ground in a fwd is a totally different story
In Europe everything is way easier. SO here is a short guide to stage tuning.
Stage 1 - ECU remap only, everything else is stock
Stage 2 - ECU remap + hardware mods. The most common is to cat-delete, remove any eco restrictions and add mods like intake, exhaust, cooling, etc which make more power than stage 1 but the engine is still stock and stock turbo.
Stage 3 - upgraded turbo + cooling + exhaust + ECU + MANY more mods possible BUT most of the engine internals (pistons and crankshaft) still remain stock. This is how you can extract maximum power from the engine and still have stock components.
Stage 4 - Full engine rebuild and basically limitless upgrades on top of that.
So here you have it - 1,2,3,4. Simple and easy
“He has to be stage 2” “try stage 3” “try stage 4” “more like stage 5”
Lmaooo i see what you did there
Kansai dorifutoooooo
@@trisno_su it’s a fast n the furious reference you weeb
@@surume6627 haha
Jeremiah has the most thorough and detailed Videos and Donut did a great job continuously Bringing him in
Nothing says, “I don’t know shit about cars” like when they start talking about “stage upgrades”
Agreed. I go to some Subaru meets, and people are like "What stage is it." And I'm like.... "Uh... Well, it has this this and that. " And they're like "Okay, but what stage."
Me: "Stage 2.37".
The only thing I use stages for is cams, because the kinda guys I talk to don't understand lift/duration and stuff. Other than that I might say "they call it a stage 2 trans" but then proceed to lay out that it comes with better clutch packs that are rated up to 600 ft-lbs input, a custom redone valve body, and a brazed 2200 stall lockup torque converter good for about 500 horsepower. And if I'm talking about something like I'm running twin 57mm precisions feeding a gen3 whipple, etc, etc, and they don't get it then I might dumb it down and say something like "think of it as a solid overall stage 6 setup that makes 1xxx horsepower (for the record I'm running a full bolt on motor right now making maybe 300, not dumb enough to run a thousand horse motor on a 500 horse cobverter.
I wanned to Unserstand but i only hear: TURBO CHARGER, DODGE DEAMON, TUNING, FUEL INJECTORS, EXHAUST, HORSEPOWER, STAGE 1, 2, 3, GRAN TURISMO, PERFORMANCE, MODIFYING, PROGRAMMING THE SOFTWARE, AUDI, SUPRA, REARWHEEL,
Unless they’re talking about the tune itself this is true...
Definitely. "stages" are something you would find in a video game or something. Has no relation to real life tuning.
I remember when I started learning about cam upgrades for LS3s I remember reading one site that said a stage 1 cam was generally a +30 hp gain and I installed a stage 1 from TX Speed and it gained me about +90 hp.
jesus fuck, if only i could do that to my FA20
I hate how they denote everything in stages. That literally tells you nothing. Intake/Exhause duration, lift and lobe seperation are much more helpful. I always see people get the biggest cam they can find only to find out their engine becomes completely unusable on the street and there's not even enough vacuum to work the brake booster.
In the UK the general understanding is;
*Stage 1* - ECU software *only*
*Stage 2* - ECU + Bolt ons/Induction kit
*Stage 3* - All of the above +Turbo Upgrade/ Supercharger.
*Stage 4* All of the above + Fully built / forged engine
Sounds like the srt4 dealer stages
stage 1 is the 1st season, their are talking about initial d
@F**СК МЕ - СНЕСK МY РR0FILЕ why is that bot everywhere
@@母熊幼崽 yes
so in conclusion and once a very wise man said: *"MO POWA BABEH"*
Well no, some stage 2 can make more power than stage 3. Stage means absolutely nothing.
@@DuBstep115 mo powa is mo powa
@@DuBstep115
Isn't it all just PR catchphrases, specific to the company making the bits being bolted onto the car?
TL;DW: They’re relevant within the same company. Don’t compare stages across cars or brands.
The only thing you can *kinda* compare across manufacturers is cams, generally beyond stage 3 suffers heavy drivability penalties to deliver better peak, and generally a stage 1 is the only one that can be used with an otherwise stock valvetrain, generally stage 2s and 3s need better valve springs and retainers.
TLDR, is is video game non-sense that idiots who don't know about cars brought to the car world. Or alternately explained, it is video game non-sense that marketing people from performance companies brought to the car world to sell to a larger group of people than just actual car people.
The best part of Gran Turismo is after you fully stage out your car you can race modify it. The surprise that came along with what it look like after the race modification was the coolest. They should totally bring that back to like Forza or something.
Shoutout to donut for putting the yellow line at the bottom of their in-video adds so we know where to scrub to if we wanna skip it
“Super big ol honkin turbocharger” on an image of a supercharger
The engine that spins that supercharger is turbocharged, and has a stage pi tune. Duh.
The reason the rest of the car community laughs.
Definitely the editor’s fault and not his, he’s just talking but the editors add the images and graphics to the vid
Uncle Jerry bringing out the Buff Horses to become a Stage Coach.
Don't let sean macguire know
@@iwantsexseemyvideo2263 dayumm
@@loganbisset8710 dude it’s a bot. They’re every where and this is one of the most common ones
Jerry: "Wasn't cheap... Or successful."
Oooofff!😥🚗💨
poor Nolan...
In Russia it’s simple, stage 1 is just a remap, maybe with some air filter mods, stage 2 is intake and exhaust replacement. Stage 3 starts with replacing your turbo, but the rest of the engine is stock, any modifications to an engine (cams, pistons, etc) considered to be a stage 4.
Feels good to know a tiny bit about crankshafts, connecting rods, journals, main caps, thrust bearings, etc. Just learned about em in level 1 automotive schooling. Just being able to put an idea and picture to the words is a good feeling.
(He mentions these when referring to reinforcing the bottom end of the motor at 10:40)
That's dope. Wish i learned even a bit of that when I was in school. just gonna try and do so now on my own
@@RealNigga0190 Not sure what your situation is but it's truly never too late, and you don't need a school to teach you anything. God bless the internet, good luck.
Fun fact: Donut Media is the only channel with skippable ads that don’t get skipped
And i love them even more for it
@@redhednitemare right??
Race Tuning is waht Michael Jackson did
A industry standardization on Stage upgrades would be pretty nice though.
This is interesting because I always thought:
Stage 1 = remap
Stage 2 = remap with supporting-type parts (cooling, etc.)
Stage 3 = more serious power upgrades like turbos, etc.
KNOWLEDGE
Yo, what mod do you have in your car?
Golf gti owner: stage 3
"Well this isn't a history show"
Man that hit hard.
Honestly I feel like they sort of are a history show. I've thought about all the various car channels on TH-cam (and elsewhere), and Donut is mostly "how did this car, model, company, way of things in driving and the automobile industry, etc, come to be?" They've sort of diversified from that more recently, but much of their main originals - Bumper2Bumper, Up To Speed, and Wheelhouse - are of this vein.
Other popular car channels:
MightyCarMods: "What nonsense can we do with this car?"
RegularCars: "What does this car mean, in it's time and now, and who is it for?"
Top Gear/Grand tour: "How can these cars make 3 old British guys behave like middle schoolers?"
Engineering Explained: "How does this car work?"
"but we are not here to talk about the HISTORY of race tuning, oh no, we're here to talk about what it's like to own a tuned car!"
Thank you! I've been wanting to understand these "stages" for years now.
The "Jerwagon" needs to be a 5 cylinder, for it's torque and it's sweet, sweet sounds!
Well done video. Jeremiah is really coming into his own with these explanation and teaching videos - I think that style fits his personality and dry humor the best.
My 2002 Subaru WRX wagon was Stage 2+ using a cobb SF intake/FULL TBE & was Pro-tuned on 93 gas at a performance shop in my area. Going any higher would cause damage to the stock motor/transmission.
Love the “Working on GFX” at 5:41 lol. Likely a missed shot, but actually totally works with Donut’s humor and style
accidentally clicked on the notification guess im watching now
"Finally, we get what we deserve"
Daniel Riccardo 2019
In Belgium it's like this.
- Stage 1: ECU Tune
- Stage 2: ECU Tune, Intercooler, Exhaust, Downpipe, (Kw) Air filter
- Stage 3: ECU Tune, Hybrid Turbo, injectors, intake manifold, hp pump, and more
Stage 5: **DANGER TO MANIFOLD**
Finally!! I've been so confused about this for so long. My mind is enlightened.
Next need to find a vid to explain how you remove all the panels without visible screws in a car T_T
And then how to tell what is what on an engine.
And then what fluids needs to come out for any given job T_T
Jeremiah: "200hp, 200ft/lbs, rwd"
me: "sounds like my stock Z31"
Jeremiah: " *JERVAGEN* "
me slapping a big ol sticker on my car: "+5000 buff horsies on this stage 69 sticker"
I usually see stage numbers used most on clutches, which makes a lot sense. You can easily get an idea of how aggressive the clutch it based on its stage number.
Hey! Trevor here! Long time fan!! Love the show, I have learned so much from watching all you guys! I’ve been wondering about an episode idea, I don’t know too much about transmissions or gearing, stuff along those lines. I would love to see an episode about things among that category! Thanks guys! Keep it up!
I'm so glad to see Tom Delonge is out here dropping car knowledge while finding aliens 👽
Honestly to me I love the way it sounds when you have a stage 3 racing clutch in your shitbox lol
It actually stands for what season you’re on in Initial D
Final stage let's go boys
I love the effort they put into their sponsored ads. Shows their creativity and the relationships they have with people that help the income!
My opion on stages for standard turbo car:
Stage 1: Software only
Stage 2: Software, exhaust mod and intake mod. DeCat or Catback, EGR delete
Stage 3: Bigger turbo (internals depend on the strength of your engine)
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You wrote day 18 and now day 137 🤦♂️
No need to lie you commented 2 times with 18 and 137 days so your lieng
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Where is Pagani gaming?
-When my friends make fun of my HP after my mods
"This isn't even my final stage"
Jeremiah has come a long way presenting since his start at Donut, love to see it!
Seriously, those first few episodes were ROUGH but he has definitely gotten his own style and is in the groove.
Never understood stages so thanks for the clarification. As a supra owner, we went by bpu, bpu+, apu. Etc. (Basic performance upgrade, advanced performance upgrades)
In the Subaru community we have a pretty widely accepted "stage" system, its mainly just a quick way to sum up what kind of mods we have. But it's unique to each Make, like a stage 2 Subaru WRX isn't necessarily the same as a stage 2 VW GTI.
STAGES: mean absolutely nothing. keep watching fast n furious.
Nice name and profile pic. Just finished the book today. Still have alot of questions tho lol
@@helaasonbekend4137 it just so happens to be the year we live in!
nah fam, subaru guys started this stage nonsense
yeah stages only apply to certain parts from certain manufacturers but to say a car is a "stage 1" build is just dumb.
Stage is just part tolerance actually
i always thought people who say "stage x" just learned how to drive manual in forza.
ok but actually i learned on a sim on forza and translated fluently to a an actual car
Finally i learnt more from this video than my Mechanics course in this semester
I'm building a 2005 Mazda 6 S wagon with 132000 miles. Manual transmission. Got it torn apart now to fix it back to zero. All OEM to get the leaks and squeaks fixed. The body is immaculate aside from a couple small scratches and overall paint decay. I have an engine core to rebuild after I get the thing running. From a 2012 Ford escape 3.0. I'm a Ford and Mazda certified technician. The endgame is street build luxury centrifugal supercharged. Air ride. A/C. Pushing 400hp give or take and running pump gas. I believe I can fly. I reckon I'm gonna try.
When working with companies selling parts for Volvos is seems they usually fallow the IPD rule of thumb of Stage 1 = no internal mods or programming needed Stage 2= programming needed Stage 3 = programming and engine internal upgrades needed. Stage 4 is usually an entire bolt in engine, ecu and add ons.
I am sure he said "brumper to brumper" At the start....
Brumper to brumper is what I do to my cousin
@@lucysmith4242 no
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I second this
Holy shit that’s genius
Ur liar you also said day 137
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I've always thought of stages like so
Stage 1: street upgrades, nothing crazy, no track days
Stage 2: street/ track upgrades, for a car you can drive to a track day and drive it home
Stage 3: full on racecar stuff
I dare say, most race cars don't use these things. A lot of GT4 class race cars, like the GT4 Mustang, GT4 Camaro, etc., actually don't have a single engine mod... Basically just better brakes, wheels, and slick tyres. Maaaaaaaybe racing coilovers.
B-Spec touring cars, for example, use almost entirely unmodified Ford Fiesta (non-ST trim) or MINI Cooper non-D type cars with ~110 WHP in racing spec
Spec Miata, basically all unmodified engines...
A majority of modern race cars, you don't really have to turn wrenches on them. Remove interior, weld in a cage, bolt in safety equipment and you're done.
What in reality they are, "reality can be whatever I want it to be"
Even that's inconsistent though.
One tuning company's "Stage 4" is another's "Stage 2".
Only thing the stage numbers is good for is to tell the buyer in which order to buy and install the packages.
Track racing: proper alignment, play with tire pressure, no oil leaks, rev limiter. All you can do with a production car. Then you step up to a mid engine car... Lotus Elise or build a AC Cobra. Low COG, alignment, tirepressure, rev limiter and then build an engine. Max hp is less important than durability.
Grand tourismo give the concept "stage", but without standardization
But there's a tuning shop that specializes in modifying audi came up with proper standardization for the "stages" to support their tunes and remap , from stage 1 to stage 3+
Then many tuner follow the steps and came up with their stages, but those stages more or less gave the same ways of modifying from basic remaps to upgrading hardware to support the massive power bump
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Isn’t that literally just VinWIKI
Go watch VinWiki bruh
It would be cool to hear the Donut team’s personal stories, maybe they can be featured on vinwiki
Thats why I love vinwiki. I wanna hear how badly they've been caught and what they do in their personal lives
When someone starts talking stages to me my attention span goes out the window.
“There’s no need to peacock around” ..but isn’t that the whole point?
Not if you're talking about "stages", no. If you have to talk about "stages" to explain the mods done to your vehicle, you shouldn't be peacocking around.
I'd say stages are a measure of the difficulty, to imply labor, cost, and parts package.*
*This is understood to not be as compared to other manufacturers only within the same manufacturer.
Stage 1: more wear and mpg for better perfomance
Stage 2: intake, exhaust, turbo, camshaft upgrades etc
Stage 3: engine and transmission reinforcement thus more aggressive settings
Stage 4: deeper rework/redesign i.e. better fuel, pre-chamber ignition
Stage 5: a jet engine in the trunk?
I would lowkey drive The Donut Jerwagen
The whole "Stage" thing annoys me. You mod and tune your car as far as you want, job done.
At this point my projet must be around stage 30.6 or summ
It's just to help understand how many mods a car has or to what extents a car is modded. No one said you have to have stage 5 mods on your car
What Stage you on brah??
2:42 ... Buick used Stage 1 2 & 3 "language" in the 1960's and 70's
You guys should make a history video on Gran Turismo. And while you’re at it, do one on the NFS Franchise as well. Two Good ideas for Up to Speed.
What he said: "Woo-Wee!"
What TH-cam Captions thinks he said: "Who are we?"
There's no other thing screaming "I dont know anything about cars" more than talking about "stage upgrades"
**points at alternator** Yo i got a turbo
We need an up to speed on Donut Media
Thats some meta shit right there. Id watch that video
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Man this guy is my favourite.
He's the one I relate to the most I wish he had more screentime
"stage" mods also vary by car - For example, in a WRX or STi stage 1 is commonly accepted as an aftermarket tune, stage 2 involves a downpipe (high flow cats or catless) and tune. Stage 3 is where it gets wonky though, as it's usually fuel system, turbo and/or intercooler upgrades and a reflash, but it gets pretty "a-la-cart" depending on the individuals goals. CAI & catback can be done whenever as they don't really have an impact on the cars performance (CAI usually has a negative impact though).
Me: I will remember everything from this video.
My brain litrelly 10min later: Bro what is tuning?
1 day we will download information to our brain....one day 😊🤔
damn these porn bots everywhere i go
We usually run speed density with NA or mass air flow. When dealing with itb we like to do Alpha-N strategy.
Don't know who told him Alpha-N was used in any NA vehicle.
You guys have made me feel old.
Thanks a lot!
I watched my brother "stage 1" gass flow the head of his 1970's 2 stroke Kawasaki in the mid 80's
When video games went beep and were called "pong"
🤣
seemed like they were nice times tbh, i was born in 95 so gran turismo 1 was not smth that I knew existed untill now
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@@SkyHighGD Milk Sugar other wise known as Lactose is very yummy.
As far as fiesta guy go, stage 1 is on stock downpipe, stage 2 is when you change the downpipe, stage 3 when you change the turbo, stage 4 when you open the engine changing things like the cams. There si also the stage 5, which is a complete engine rebuild, big whole turbo and shit, 500hp.
IC, exhaust, intake, clutch, ecc.. i just a +
This guy's videos are getting better and better and he's a huge dork and very endearing
it’s what Germany tried to do in the 1940s…
This was actually well done, unironically.
Great job, Donut.
Up to speed on literally any car, I just don’t care which. It can even be a Prius.
Do a Past Gas on the Mille Miglia! The thousand mile race on public roads where you can culminate in the legendary 1955 win by Stirling Moss (who just passed this year) who after the 10 hour race, drove through the night with his girlfriend to have breakfast in Munich, then lunch in Stuttgart and dinner in Cologne. Stirling’s teammates were no laughing matter either, Fangio and Kling rode without Navigator/Mechanics and the last teammate, Herrmann the year before saw the railroad gate lower for the express train to Rome, knocked on his passengers helmet to tell him to duck, because the Porshe was so low, went under the gate and ahead of the train in the middle of the race! Stirling also pioneered the little used pace notes at the time with his journalist ride along giving him hand gestures from his scrolling notes machine. Previously, 90% of the winners were Italian and had circuit knowledge and didn’t have notes. You can also talk about how Alfa’s used to win all the time but under Enzo, Ferrari’s started to dominate.
Uk tuning stages
Stage 1: intake/air filter, remap
Stage 2: high flow cat/decat, bigger intercooler, remap
Stage 3: Bigger turbo
DAY 5:
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Up To Speed will return, you just need patience. not everything will happen immediately just because you wrote a comment
@@canyouopopop3012 OOF
The only thing I want more than Up to Speed to come back is for B2B to go back to shooting with real cars!
@@nathanjoseph4284 same