What Exactly is Race Tuning?

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ม.ค. 2021
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    You’re probably more than familiar with language like “stage 2 turbo” or “stage 3 tune” but if we really pressed you on the different stages of tuning, would you be able to lay out a definitive set of guidelines for what those stages actually mean? Does bumping up each stage mean I’m going to double my horsepower? Triple? Dare I say it, quadruple?! Well today on B2B, Uncle Jerry is going to get into the stages of tuning, and answer all your questions. Every question you have, he'll answer.
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  • @jord.n3105
    @jord.n3105 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4993

    “Yeah that’s right buddy, I got stage 5 blinker fluid in this bad boy”

    • @hassanbeydoun2460
      @hassanbeydoun2460 3 ปีที่แล้ว +69

      I would chuckle with the person who says that out loud lmao😂

    • @jesteris25
      @jesteris25 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      you drive a BMW lol

    • @racingvitas1788
      @racingvitas1788 3 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      i got stage 11 shifter knob addictive

    • @9manny99
      @9manny99 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      My Miata headlight was missing some blinker fluid. No it’s 1337 horsepowers stage 7 zoom zoom!

    • @rustythefoxcoon5143
      @rustythefoxcoon5143 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Fuck! That means you will blind me with the hazards in a race. Time to break out the NOS, hope it doesn't blow up in a blue fireball!

  • @fatal3713
    @fatal3713 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3209

    Straight to Stage 7 “ejecto seato cuz”

    • @willb5332
      @willb5332 3 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      lol omg how did this not come up on the cringy lines video?!!!

    • @snapchatsnacks3154
      @snapchatsnacks3154 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I saw that video. I hope they make another fast and furios video. I am not a huge fast fan. But there were cool moments. In my opinion the best being that scene at the end of ff 7 where they do the little send off to Paul walker. That part where Bryan and toretto were driving side by side and their lanes diverge was kind of sad.

    • @turboking637
      @turboking637 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Keep up the tradition😂👍

    • @CrisPBacon-zy6wh
      @CrisPBacon-zy6wh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      A great man of culture

    • @whatthefuckisdisshit
      @whatthefuckisdisshit 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Grade a comment. Funny funny

  • @jiface
    @jiface 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1550

    I think I actually like each presenter equally at this point. Pretty incredible. Everyone brings their own vibe but it all feels Donut.

    • @kylefastenau7884
      @kylefastenau7884 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      James pumphrey is my favorite, but only a little more than the others

    • @weimaraners4822
      @weimaraners4822 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      You must've been looking at the hat

    • @zAvAvAz
      @zAvAvAz ปีที่แล้ว +1

      like elysium, donuts are like a space station.
      only good good vibrations is surfing radio waves on the moon;
      surfing nicaragua with a solid tungsten board entwine with a single stone.

    • @Fernando-pb5of
      @Fernando-pb5of 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​ppppp 3:15 3:15 3:15 3:15

  • @discordbaron7135
    @discordbaron7135 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    My stage 3 cancer doesn't feel like a performance upgrade

  • @redhednitemare
    @redhednitemare 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3783

    "1000 horsepower? Try 2000"
    "Try 3000"
    "Try 5000"

  • @User-un4wt
    @User-un4wt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1661

    My stage 6 Duct tape on the steering wheel mod is laughing at this video rn

  • @dylansilva672
    @dylansilva672 3 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    "I'm 15 grand into this project already" lol I felt that

  • @bendooley550
    @bendooley550 3 ปีที่แล้ว +186

    Stage 1: bolt ons. Intake, exhaust, wheels, springs, exterior accoutrement.
    Stage 2: headers, turbo (if equipped) back exhaust, seats, steering wheel, suspension (street), small aero improvements, brakes.
    Stage 3: turbo (or s/c, all required now except big block) full ecm/tcm, upgraded suspension and brakes required, cage (probably) specific function in mind, aero is undoubtedly a problem now, chassis imptovements (tube frame?)
    Stage 4: fully everything in that category as far as bolt on or off the shelf parts, ready to attack the track (in whatever form) from what you could find on summitt or Jegs, custom aero, no interior, frame mods, etc...
    Stage 5: purpose built. Say no more. You have a goal and a plan to meet it. All manufacturers and all records are calculated. You know when you're here.

    • @Reazintful
      @Reazintful ปีที่แล้ว +4

      i think this is a perfect assessment.

    • @SniperReady
      @SniperReady ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Except this is so variable. My car has a stage 1 tune, and that’s just a raw computer tune to the transmission and the ECU. It goes from 290hp/290ft-lb torque to 365hp/380ft-lb torque. Bolt ons don’t happen until stage 2.
      The stages not only depend on the tuning company, but also the car itself. Some cars can’t handle the added power and need upgrades. Some can, and can be tuned significantly before needing to upgrade hardware.

    • @simongruber8366
      @simongruber8366 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      so if I buy a 350z for drifting and put a fly off handbrake in it, I have a stage 5 350z? perfect, this isn´t helpful at all imo.

    • @saitama9994
      @saitama9994 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think solely considering engine upgrades. Stage 1: ECU tune only
      Stage 2: Upgraded intercooler etc with a bit more tuning
      Stage 3: Upgraded clutch, turbos etc with a tune

    • @vladraduandrei5227
      @vladraduandrei5227 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      had my first car a 320d f30 bmw(184 sttok) stage 1 ed at 227 hp and like 500 nm , there were no parts changed just and ecu change.

  • @skyty0
    @skyty0 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2701

    TLDR; stages are what they call seasons in Initial D

    • @AcuraRSX-dz5xf
      @AcuraRSX-dz5xf 3 ปีที่แล้ว +84

      Final stage

    • @dimitristopalis607
      @dimitristopalis607 3 ปีที่แล้ว +162

      @@AcuraRSX-dz5xf imagine having a final stage turbo kit, the coolest name

    • @PLK123
      @PLK123 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@AcuraRSX-dz5xf give

    • @claytonmontgomery1886
      @claytonmontgomery1886 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes.

    • @epicguy6978
      @epicguy6978 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      @@dimitristopalis607 imagine having a extra stage turbo

  • @lukethenuke7538
    @lukethenuke7538 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1122

    What is race Tuning?
    Me, who drives a diesel KIA Cee'd: Imma need this.

    • @sampuhhupmas5666
      @sampuhhupmas5666 3 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      Slap on a Cummins turbo and a hood stack

    • @davidsny1190
      @davidsny1190 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Im sure somebody somewhere is deleteing and tuning those

    • @bkw6329
      @bkw6329 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@iwantsexseemyvideo2263 TF is this?

    • @lukethenuke7538
      @lukethenuke7538 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@davidsny1190 oh yeah, I'm sure. I already saw a guy putting a spoiler and an extra fake exhaust, same car and engine as mine... *I AM SPEED*

    • @TheKitt12
      @TheKitt12 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Me, who has no car
      i gotta beef up ma legs

  • @caleblancaster538
    @caleblancaster538 2 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Its hard to conceptualize a 2.0L making 500+ hp and 500+ ftlb torque. The Jerwagon is a truly remarkable car and what an incredible tune

    • @DubstepMagiic
      @DubstepMagiic ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A Focus ST can make about 450 horse without a whole lot done. And it’s also a 2.0l

    • @eneveasi
      @eneveasi 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      powerful 2.0L exist. Some are decently reliable if done right too.

    • @matthewgateoperators2406
      @matthewgateoperators2406 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Mercedes-Benz M139 engine,
      (2L 4 Cylinder) produces 416hp at the wheels

    • @benjamincagle3920
      @benjamincagle3920 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Plenty of examples of the civic type R out there making 500+ out of the 2.0 k20c1… now getting that power to the ground in a fwd is a totally different story

  • @MrJamesshipman
    @MrJamesshipman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    A stage 6 air intake is amazing!! I am so going to use that. And other things like "stage 4 wipers" aerodynamic for more speed. Or stage 5 Schrader valve caps. ( the little rubber stems used to fill air in your tires).

    • @OkieTA95
      @OkieTA95 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I got stage 7 valve stem caps (they’re made out of 40s&w casings)

    • @bread4228
      @bread4228 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@OkieTA95 Bet it looks badass

    • @glitchthecat5011
      @glitchthecat5011 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well my eclipse went from stage 0 to stage 100,real quick

  • @80PercentAshamedOfU
    @80PercentAshamedOfU 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1097

    I’m going to start a tuning company and label my stages like Cold Stone ice cream sizes.
    1. Like it.
    2. Love it!
    3. GOTTA HAVE IT!!

    • @EidanMA
      @EidanMA 3 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      Make the "3. GOTTA HAVE IT!!" a 1000+bhp package that's barely driveable on the street just for irony's sake

    • @AzureSupremuZ
      @AzureSupremuZ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      @@EidanMA Then the last package would just be called "Organ Donor"

    • @nimk9689
      @nimk9689 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That stupid af Lol!

    • @lil_berto5831
      @lil_berto5831 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I just went to cold stone 😂😂

    • @theZDOME
      @theZDOME 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      “Tuning company” you mean fraud? there are tuners and there are salesman, you must mean salesman

  • @eric1393
    @eric1393 3 ปีที่แล้ว +927

    This makes me think that a more in depth series on ECU tuning would be really cool.

    • @3sschrmn689
      @3sschrmn689 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      How do you het that face?

    • @3sschrmn689
      @3sschrmn689 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      On Your name

    • @carguy7884
      @carguy7884 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@3sschrmn689 you gotta be a member of the channel

    • @Prestiged_peck
      @Prestiged_peck 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      YES

    • @3sschrmn689
      @3sschrmn689 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@carguy7884 wich Channel?

  • @johnsanko4136
    @johnsanko4136 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    The "Stage" nomelclature actually existed before Grand Tourismo, though I'll agree that the game did expand it's usage to the wider audience.
    The one example I'm super familiar with is the Buick GS/GSX series starting in 1968 through '75 used "Stages" as an upgrade package options. Stage 1 got you the Wildcat 455 cubic inch engine over the Buick 350, dual exhaust over single, and a larger 4 barrel carb, arriving at the 360hp, 510ft/lb torque monster. Stage 2 was a very rare package option that was sold as a dealer option, or to wrench happy individuals and were shipped out in the trunk of the car, and less than 5 Stage 2 GSX packages were actually installed by the factory. High flow heads, high flow intake manifold, custom exhaust porting, a more aggressive camshaft, hollow pushrods for improved lubrication, forged piston heads, a tuned up 4 barrel carb are what's known, but there could have been other race-inclined options included. Their factory example had a much higher rear differential ratio than the usual GS (at 4.78) to help transfer all that torque to the tires, but I don't know if that was a thing that came with the Stage 2 package or not.

  • @oOZiegeOo
    @oOZiegeOo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    For me it was always like this:
    Stage 1: Changing Software related stuff without changing anything physically
    Stage 2: Changing external motor parts like exhaust, air filter, intake/exhaust manifolds, turbo related stuff
    Stage 3: Swapping internals of the motor like camshaft, crankshaft, pistons, rods...

    • @berkandaltaban4201
      @berkandaltaban4201 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Exactly

    • @MikfinityPog
      @MikfinityPog 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      and I guess stage 4 would be weight, aero, suspension, wheels and brakes?

  • @michaelmartin1700
    @michaelmartin1700 3 ปีที่แล้ว +755

    "Big ole honkin turbosharger"
    *Shows a Picture of a procharger*

    • @willisnodillis7641
      @willisnodillis7641 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I noticed the same thing and was gonna comment on it haha

    • @jakem.1414
      @jakem.1414 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      glad I wasn't the only one to notice that lol

    • @bradensmith22
      @bradensmith22 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      A procharger is a turbo my dude

    • @zach_94
      @zach_94 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think they are trying to mess with us

    • @JohnDoe-ji5wg
      @JohnDoe-ji5wg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      @@bradensmith22 Bruh. A procharger is driven by the engine, not exhaust gasses.

  • @Izzytakamono
    @Izzytakamono 3 ปีที่แล้ว +706

    I want a ‘my other car is a Donut Jerwagen’ sticker

    • @Moto_Medics
      @Moto_Medics 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      or Pumphrey 902!

    • @mad9704
      @mad9704 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      you mean the Dount Jerwagen?

    • @uyaharakuyay50
      @uyaharakuyay50 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      me2

    • @Decipher13
      @Decipher13 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Don’t forget to get a Jobe’s P.I.S.S sticker too!

    • @bigdawgs94
      @bigdawgs94 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Petition to swap the “r” and “w” in Jerwagen’ for a better name 😎

  • @syaioo569
    @syaioo569 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Yo, what mod do you have in your car?
    Golf gti owner: stage 3

  • @silverstonehtpc6889
    @silverstonehtpc6889 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Well done video. Jeremiah is really coming into his own with these explanation and teaching videos - I think that style fits his personality and dry humor the best.

  • @koolkardad
    @koolkardad 3 ปีที่แล้ว +434

    At first glance I thought the title said: “What exactly is rice tuning?”
    -Instant flashbacks to when Donut modded a McLaren using Autozone parts. 🏎

    • @jessiepoofrae6607
      @jessiepoofrae6607 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yo, they did that?

    • @matiasfpm
      @matiasfpm 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jessiepoofrae6607 im interested as well

    • @Turambar117
      @Turambar117 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      ... but why?

    • @avalanche450
      @avalanche450 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Turambar117 as a prank

    • @kiano_84
      @kiano_84 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I didn’t know auto zone had performance parts. Jak

  • @V8dadmartin
    @V8dadmartin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +621

    “He has to be stage 2” “try stage 3” “try stage 4” “more like stage 5”

    • @Mr.Harris.
      @Mr.Harris. 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lmaooo i see what you did there

    • @trisno_su
      @trisno_su 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kansai dorifutoooooo

    • @surume6627
      @surume6627 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@trisno_su it’s a fast n the furious reference you weeb

    • @nismo3871
      @nismo3871 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@surume6627 haha

  • @trevorpatrick4204
    @trevorpatrick4204 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Hey! Trevor here! Long time fan!! Love the show, I have learned so much from watching all you guys! I’ve been wondering about an episode idea, I don’t know too much about transmissions or gearing, stuff along those lines. I would love to see an episode about things among that category! Thanks guys! Keep it up!

  • @mcbugga
    @mcbugga 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The best part of Gran Turismo is after you fully stage out your car you can race modify it. The surprise that came along with what it look like after the race modification was the coolest. They should totally bring that back to like Forza or something.

  • @conradical6644
    @conradical6644 3 ปีที่แล้ว +166

    “Super big ol honkin turbocharger” on an image of a supercharger

    • @HrHaakon
      @HrHaakon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      The engine that spins that supercharger is turbocharged, and has a stage pi tune. Duh.

    • @Anonymous_________
      @Anonymous_________ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The reason the rest of the car community laughs.

    • @adanflores4523
      @adanflores4523 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Definitely the editor’s fault and not his, he’s just talking but the editors add the images and graphics to the vid

  • @freackedman4153
    @freackedman4153 3 ปีที่แล้ว +208

    so in conclusion and once a very wise man said: *"MO POWA BABEH"*

    • @DuBstep115
      @DuBstep115 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Well no, some stage 2 can make more power than stage 3. Stage means absolutely nothing.

    • @freackedman4153
      @freackedman4153 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@DuBstep115 mo powa is mo powa

    • @ShadowFalcon
      @ShadowFalcon 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DuBstep115
      Isn't it all just PR catchphrases, specific to the company making the bits being bolted onto the car?

  • @OctaneStreet
    @OctaneStreet 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Feels good to know a tiny bit about crankshafts, connecting rods, journals, main caps, thrust bearings, etc. Just learned about em in level 1 automotive schooling. Just being able to put an idea and picture to the words is a good feeling.
    (He mentions these when referring to reinforcing the bottom end of the motor at 10:40)

    • @RealNigga0190
      @RealNigga0190 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's dope. Wish i learned even a bit of that when I was in school. just gonna try and do so now on my own

    • @OctaneStreet
      @OctaneStreet 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RealNigga0190 Not sure what your situation is but it's truly never too late, and you don't need a school to teach you anything. God bless the internet, good luck.

  • @theNadeFace
    @theNadeFace 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very good video. Thank you all! Jerry and the editing team. Big win on this one.

  • @oldmanloki
    @oldmanloki 3 ปีที่แล้ว +481

    Nothing says, “I don’t know shit about cars” like when they start talking about “stage upgrades”

    • @JPtheHammer
      @JPtheHammer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +148

      Agreed. I go to some Subaru meets, and people are like "What stage is it." And I'm like.... "Uh... Well, it has this this and that. " And they're like "Okay, but what stage."
      Me: "Stage 2.37".

    • @Prestiged_peck
      @Prestiged_peck 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      The only thing I use stages for is cams, because the kinda guys I talk to don't understand lift/duration and stuff. Other than that I might say "they call it a stage 2 trans" but then proceed to lay out that it comes with better clutch packs that are rated up to 600 ft-lbs input, a custom redone valve body, and a brazed 2200 stall lockup torque converter good for about 500 horsepower. And if I'm talking about something like I'm running twin 57mm precisions feeding a gen3 whipple, etc, etc, and they don't get it then I might dumb it down and say something like "think of it as a solid overall stage 6 setup that makes 1xxx horsepower (for the record I'm running a full bolt on motor right now making maybe 300, not dumb enough to run a thousand horse motor on a 500 horse cobverter.

    • @Tronnos840
      @Tronnos840 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I wanned to Unserstand but i only hear: TURBO CHARGER, DODGE DEAMON, TUNING, FUEL INJECTORS, EXHAUST, HORSEPOWER, STAGE 1, 2, 3, GRAN TURISMO, PERFORMANCE, MODIFYING, PROGRAMMING THE SOFTWARE, AUDI, SUPRA, REARWHEEL,

    • @Art-lm4ik
      @Art-lm4ik 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Unless they’re talking about the tune itself this is true...

    • @Chad_Thundernuts
      @Chad_Thundernuts 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Definitely. "stages" are something you would find in a video game or something. Has no relation to real life tuning.

  • @batista9419
    @batista9419 3 ปีที่แล้ว +141

    stage 1 is the 1st season, their are talking about initial d

    • @user-lw5pj1yr8p
      @user-lw5pj1yr8p 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @F**СК МЕ - СНЕСK МY РR0FILЕ why is that bot everywhere

    • @uyaharakuyay50
      @uyaharakuyay50 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@user-lw5pj1yr8p yes

  • @Chrislav7
    @Chrislav7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    A industry standardization on Stage upgrades would be pretty nice though.

  • @GameSpyDarkAge
    @GameSpyDarkAge 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love the effort they put into their sponsored ads. Shows their creativity and the relationships they have with people that help the income!

  • @lebronjames4705
    @lebronjames4705 3 ปีที่แล้ว +138

    Jeremiah has the most thorough and detailed Videos and Donut did a great job continuously Bringing him in

  • @Fixin-To
    @Fixin-To 3 ปีที่แล้ว +127

    Uncle Jerry bringing out the Buff Horses to become a Stage Coach.

    • @blidiotwoofghidiot3627
      @blidiotwoofghidiot3627 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Don't let sean macguire know

    • @loganbisset8710
      @loganbisset8710 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@iwantsexseemyvideo2263 dayumm

    • @swedish_brick_enjoyer
      @swedish_brick_enjoyer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@loganbisset8710 dude it’s a bot. They’re every where and this is one of the most common ones

  • @daniahmed
    @daniahmed 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was curious about these things and you uploaded the video at the same time. So pumped for the video😎😎

  • @joshscott5746
    @joshscott5746 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This is interesting because I always thought:
    Stage 1 = remap
    Stage 2 = remap with supporting-type parts (cooling, etc.)
    Stage 3 = more serious power upgrades like turbos, etc.
    KNOWLEDGE

  • @The_True_
    @The_True_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +111

    Jerry: "Wasn't cheap... Or successful."
    Oooofff!😥🚗💨

  • @Stellar-Cowboy
    @Stellar-Cowboy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Fun fact: Donut Media is the only channel with skippable ads that don’t get skipped

    • @redhednitemare
      @redhednitemare 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And i love them even more for it

    • @Stellar-Cowboy
      @Stellar-Cowboy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@redhednitemare right??

  • @clashwithmoi8926
    @clashwithmoi8926 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Stage 5: **DANGER TO MANIFOLD**

  • @bearrett50kal17
    @bearrett50kal17 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Jeremiah: "200hp, 200ft/lbs, rwd"
    me: "sounds like my stock Z31"
    Jeremiah: " *JERVAGEN* "

  • @garythecyclingnerd6219
    @garythecyclingnerd6219 3 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    TL;DW: They’re relevant within the same company. Don’t compare stages across cars or brands.

    • @Prestiged_peck
      @Prestiged_peck 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The only thing you can *kinda* compare across manufacturers is cams, generally beyond stage 3 suffers heavy drivability penalties to deliver better peak, and generally a stage 1 is the only one that can be used with an otherwise stock valvetrain, generally stage 2s and 3s need better valve springs and retainers.

    • @Daishar
      @Daishar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      TLDR, is is video game non-sense that idiots who don't know about cars brought to the car world. Or alternately explained, it is video game non-sense that marketing people from performance companies brought to the car world to sell to a larger group of people than just actual car people.

  • @valerkata868
    @valerkata868 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    "Well this isn't a history show"
    Man that hit hard.

    • @quillmaurer6563
      @quillmaurer6563 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Honestly I feel like they sort of are a history show. I've thought about all the various car channels on TH-cam (and elsewhere), and Donut is mostly "how did this car, model, company, way of things in driving and the automobile industry, etc, come to be?" They've sort of diversified from that more recently, but much of their main originals - Bumper2Bumper, Up To Speed, and Wheelhouse - are of this vein.
      Other popular car channels:
      MightyCarMods: "What nonsense can we do with this car?"
      RegularCars: "What does this car mean, in it's time and now, and who is it for?"
      Top Gear/Grand tour: "How can these cars make 3 old British guys behave like middle schoolers?"
      Engineering Explained: "How does this car work?"

    • @kapiicefruit
      @kapiicefruit 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      "but we are not here to talk about the HISTORY of race tuning, oh no, we're here to talk about what it's like to own a tuned car!"

  • @michaelstrongbow2336
    @michaelstrongbow2336 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The "Jerwagon" needs to be a 5 cylinder, for it's torque and it's sweet, sweet sounds!

  • @singleservingjack4547
    @singleservingjack4547 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In the UK the general understanding is;
    *Stage 1* - ECU software *only*
    *Stage 2* - ECU + Bolt ons/Induction kit
    *Stage 3* - All of the above +Turbo Upgrade/ Supercharger.
    *Stage 4* All of the above + Fully built / forged engine

    • @jordanandrews2864
      @jordanandrews2864 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Sounds like the srt4 dealer stages

  • @ryanoptekar7654
    @ryanoptekar7654 3 ปีที่แล้ว +280

    Day 137 of asking James to do an uptospeed on himself

    • @SkyHighGD
      @SkyHighGD 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Day 53 of asking Jeremiah to do a B2B on an LMP car
      Like for 919 Hybrid Evo, Reply for TS050

    • @saman-iw9tx
      @saman-iw9tx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You wrote day 18 and now day 137 🤦‍♂️

    • @saman-iw9tx
      @saman-iw9tx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      No need to lie you commented 2 times with 18 and 137 days so your lieng

    • @doritos6548
      @doritos6548 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      🧢

    • @chomin3025
      @chomin3025 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Where is Pagani gaming?

  • @SvdSinner
    @SvdSinner 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thank you! I've been wanting to understand these "stages" for years now.

  • @KuKicks
    @KuKicks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Always do such a great job explaining things.. 🙏

  • @Erafune
    @Erafune 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Finally!! I've been so confused about this for so long. My mind is enlightened.
    Next need to find a vid to explain how you remove all the panels without visible screws in a car T_T
    And then how to tell what is what on an engine.
    And then what fluids needs to come out for any given job T_T

  • @Madogen
    @Madogen 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love that this came from GT.
    True what you say about stages, I am getting a stage 2 on my car in March.
    This is a high flow turbo back exhaust system.
    Uprated induction kit (stage 1 is filter change)
    Stage 2 intercooler (a larger cooler, as per stage 1, but ducted)
    Upgraded clutch.
    Stage 2 remap by REVO (reflash of stock ECU)
    ~36% increase in power estimated.

  • @nkawtg4
    @nkawtg4 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you so much for finally calling out the stage BS. I've been waiting a long time for someone to agree with me.

  • @zamanpulok1466
    @zamanpulok1466 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Finally i learnt more from this video than my Mechanics course in this semester

  • @rynechristesen2392
    @rynechristesen2392 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I remember when I started learning about cam upgrades for LS3s I remember reading one site that said a stage 1 cam was generally a +30 hp gain and I installed a stage 1 from TX Speed and it gained me about +90 hp.

    • @Alpheamus
      @Alpheamus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      jesus fuck, if only i could do that to my FA20

    • @marcuscook5145
      @marcuscook5145 ปีที่แล้ว

      I hate how they denote everything in stages. That literally tells you nothing. Intake/Exhause duration, lift and lobe seperation are much more helpful. I always see people get the biggest cam they can find only to find out their engine becomes completely unusable on the street and there's not even enough vacuum to work the brake booster.

  • @tomatoyo2672
    @tomatoyo2672 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    accidentally clicked on the notification guess im watching now

  • @d.coronaoriginals9200
    @d.coronaoriginals9200 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Love the “Working on GFX” at 5:41 lol. Likely a missed shot, but actually totally works with Donut’s humor and style

  • @cobieallen
    @cobieallen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Shoutout to donut for putting the yellow line at the bottom of their in-video adds so we know where to scrub to if we wanna skip it

  • @Coyoda_YT
    @Coyoda_YT 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man this guy is my favourite.
    He's the one I relate to the most I wish he had more screentime

  • @ryanoptekar7654
    @ryanoptekar7654 3 ปีที่แล้ว +116

    Day 17 of asking James to do an uptospeed on Top Gear

    • @SkyHighGD
      @SkyHighGD 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Day 52 of asking Jeremiah to do a B2B on an LMP car
      Like for 919 Hybrid Evo, Reply for TS050

    • @declaneverson1195
      @declaneverson1195 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I second this

    • @cobyhaldi4304
      @cobyhaldi4304 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Holy shit that’s genius

    • @saman-iw9tx
      @saman-iw9tx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ur liar you also said day 137

    • @bigb6199
      @bigb6199 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Day 400 of asking for Science Garage to return

  • @junatah5903
    @junatah5903 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love the looks of that jerwagen or whatever you call it.
    Love saloons, always liked the look fo the new civics front end and love the modern audi rear end, they all work.

  • @mitchelljarvis2944
    @mitchelljarvis2944 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Never understood stages so thanks for the clarification. As a supra owner, we went by bpu, bpu+, apu. Etc. (Basic performance upgrade, advanced performance upgrades)

  • @sizwesibisi7456
    @sizwesibisi7456 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you bro this has taught me a lot about stages...

  • @Blue_Flame_Raptor
    @Blue_Flame_Raptor 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Stages are also used in the offroad racing suspension world EX: stage 1: bumpstops, stage 2: springs stage 3: coilovers, stage 4: dual shocks/bypasses

    • @mclarenjohnf1
      @mclarenjohnf1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well in the road rally racing it used to be for the classes

  • @ethanmiles20
    @ethanmiles20 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I'm so glad to see Tom Delonge is out here dropping car knowledge while finding aliens 👽

  • @chriscole8021
    @chriscole8021 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This guy's videos are getting better and better and he's a huge dork and very endearing

  • @wedgoku
    @wedgoku 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My 2002 Subaru WRX wagon was Stage 2+ using a cobb SF intake/FULL TBE & was Pro-tuned on 93 gas at a performance shop in my area. Going any higher would cause damage to the stock motor/transmission.

  • @bigflockajon
    @bigflockajon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Honestly to me I love the way it sounds when you have a stage 3 racing clutch in your shitbox lol

  • @jonanolakers1567
    @jonanolakers1567 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    "Finally, we get what we deserve"
    Daniel Riccardo 2019

  • @milsgarage
    @milsgarage 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You guys make awesome videos. Keep up the great work 👍

  • @JoshY01
    @JoshY01 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really good stuff! Thanks Donut Media!!!!!!!

  • @user-it4dq9dj9q
    @user-it4dq9dj9q 3 ปีที่แล้ว +181

    STAGES: mean absolutely nothing. keep watching fast n furious.

    • @helaasonbekend4137
      @helaasonbekend4137 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Nice name and profile pic. Just finished the book today. Still have alot of questions tho lol

    • @user-it4dq9dj9q
      @user-it4dq9dj9q 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@helaasonbekend4137 it just so happens to be the year we live in!

    • @alitoroganan2442
      @alitoroganan2442 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      nah fam, subaru guys started this stage nonsense

    • @bearrett50kal17
      @bearrett50kal17 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      yeah stages only apply to certain parts from certain manufacturers but to say a car is a "stage 1" build is just dumb.

    • @pravesh736
      @pravesh736 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Stage is just part tolerance actually

  • @chronovore7234
    @chronovore7234 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I usually see stage numbers used most on clutches, which makes a lot sense. You can easily get an idea of how aggressive the clutch it based on its stage number.

  • @jasonyoung6420
    @jasonyoung6420 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    "stage" mods also vary by car - For example, in a WRX or STi stage 1 is commonly accepted as an aftermarket tune, stage 2 involves a downpipe (high flow cats or catless) and tune. Stage 3 is where it gets wonky though, as it's usually fuel system, turbo and/or intercooler upgrades and a reflash, but it gets pretty "a-la-cart" depending on the individuals goals. CAI & catback can be done whenever as they don't really have an impact on the cars performance (CAI usually has a negative impact though).

  • @dodgedemon3690
    @dodgedemon3690 3 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    Day one of asking for speeding ticket stories

    • @jeremydoroshchuk9305
      @jeremydoroshchuk9305 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Isn’t that literally just VinWIKI

    • @joaquinpaul8205
      @joaquinpaul8205 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Go watch VinWiki bruh

    • @anthonys3892
      @anthonys3892 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It would be cool to hear the Donut team’s personal stories, maybe they can be featured on vinwiki

    • @dodgedemon3690
      @dodgedemon3690 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thats why I love vinwiki. I wanna hear how badly they've been caught and what they do in their personal lives

  • @wanderingbufoon
    @wanderingbufoon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    me slapping a big ol sticker on my car: "+5000 buff horsies on this stage 69 sticker"

  • @MegaShapin
    @MegaShapin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In Russia it’s simple, stage 1 is just a remap, maybe with some air filter mods, stage 2 is intake and exhaust replacement. Stage 3 starts with replacing your turbo, but the rest of the engine is stock, any modifications to an engine (cams, pistons, etc) considered to be a stage 4.

  • @justineugenio967
    @justineugenio967 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    In the Subaru community we have a pretty widely accepted "stage" system, its mainly just a quick way to sum up what kind of mods we have. But it's unique to each Make, like a stage 2 Subaru WRX isn't necessarily the same as a stage 2 VW GTI.

  • @slacinace
    @slacinace 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    i always thought people who say "stage x" just learned how to drive manual in forza.

    • @maxjameson7695
      @maxjameson7695 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ok but actually i learned on a sim on forza and translated fluently to a an actual car

  • @lesstoxic5619
    @lesstoxic5619 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    I am sure he said "brumper to brumper" At the start....

    • @lucysmith4242
      @lucysmith4242 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Brumper to brumper is what I do to my cousin

    • @lagod63
      @lagod63 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lucysmith4242 no

  • @EvilMadBombr
    @EvilMadBombr ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for explaining this.

  • @giovannabonjiovani1172
    @giovannabonjiovani1172 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    in Brazil this "stage" is more popular, and ever more spek, great video.

  • @romans6788
    @romans6788 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This was actually well done, unironically.
    Great job, Donut.

  • @nandernugget
    @nandernugget 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    It actually stands for what season you’re on in Initial D

    • @doritos6548
      @doritos6548 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Final stage let's go boys

  • @me.1475
    @me.1475 ปีที่แล้ว

    so damn helpful and so well put together , THANK YOU

  • @madxp9668
    @madxp9668 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Grand tourismo give the concept "stage", but without standardization
    But there's a tuning shop that specializes in modifying audi came up with proper standardization for the "stages" to support their tunes and remap , from stage 1 to stage 3+
    Then many tuner follow the steps and came up with their stages, but those stages more or less gave the same ways of modifying from basic remaps to upgrading hardware to support the massive power bump

  • @Chilipotamus
    @Chilipotamus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Jeremiah has come a long way presenting since his start at Donut, love to see it!

    • @MrCriches6
      @MrCriches6 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Seriously, those first few episodes were ROUGH but he has definitely gotten his own style and is in the groove.

  • @PaganiGaming
    @PaganiGaming 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Day 299 of asking James to do an Up to speed on his Dad

    • @mclarenspeedtail8988
      @mclarenspeedtail8988 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      first

    • @SkyHighGD
      @SkyHighGD 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Keep going, we'll support you until it happens!

    • @mclarenspeedtail8988
      @mclarenspeedtail8988 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      day 1 of supporting pagnai and waiting for the last day

    • @tomastos9
      @tomastos9 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Almost at 300 days, lets go

    • @carternevill
      @carternevill 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Keep going man!

  • @donalqahtani8235
    @donalqahtani8235 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Its really sad the fact that after all this valuable informations and the great work you guys are doing in this channel we only see 5m subscribers!

  • @theepicslayer7sss101
    @theepicslayer7sss101 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    this was a much needed video, we all have seen those stages in games and floating around but nothing tied to it... personally i was thinking maybe it came with special turbos combined with intercoolers... but explained like that, this makes a lot more sense. also, if you have the game Automation and BeamNG Drive, you could make that "Donut Jerwagon" a thing!

  • @FredKhuram
    @FredKhuram 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for a very nice and simplified explanation. I have had the same questions for a long time: how do you compare different company stages, but now i know everyone markets their own numbers. My only question is: Is it going to be cumbersome on the engine when you upgrade to higher stages? Are there side effects on the engine when you are now pushing the engine harder?

    • @stoptehsteel3476
      @stoptehsteel3476 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      you'll lower engine life expectancy and possibly have to rebuild it with reinforced parts

  • @patricks.7951
    @patricks.7951 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I've always thought of stages like so
    Stage 1: street upgrades, nothing crazy, no track days
    Stage 2: street/ track upgrades, for a car you can drive to a track day and drive it home
    Stage 3: full on racecar stuff

    • @AndrewGeierMelons
      @AndrewGeierMelons 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I dare say, most race cars don't use these things. A lot of GT4 class race cars, like the GT4 Mustang, GT4 Camaro, etc., actually don't have a single engine mod... Basically just better brakes, wheels, and slick tyres. Maaaaaaaybe racing coilovers.
      B-Spec touring cars, for example, use almost entirely unmodified Ford Fiesta (non-ST trim) or MINI Cooper non-D type cars with ~110 WHP in racing spec
      Spec Miata, basically all unmodified engines...
      A majority of modern race cars, you don't really have to turn wrenches on them. Remove interior, weld in a cage, bolt in safety equipment and you're done.

    • @DuBstep115
      @DuBstep115 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      What in reality they are, "reality can be whatever I want it to be"

    • @ShadowFalcon
      @ShadowFalcon 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Even that's inconsistent though.
      One tuning company's "Stage 4" is another's "Stage 2".
      Only thing the stage numbers is good for is to tell the buyer in which order to buy and install the packages.

  • @trash8381
    @trash8381 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the important info you made this so easy for people starting to tune their cars like me, after this video i was able to successfully blow a rod through my motor

  • @stuntmasta305
    @stuntmasta305 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Short end of the stick, unless you're a professional in the industry, probably best to consult with your local performance shop to see what they recommend. Using someone reputable is important. They are going to be the ones that are not only familiar with the work required, but have the insight on how to tune it.
    So many people try to cheap out by adding major components to a OEM set up, then it breaks down.

  • @Wyrdrock
    @Wyrdrock 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    -When my friends make fun of my HP after my mods
    "This isn't even my final stage"

  • @drought892
    @drought892 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I’m a simple man. I see donut media upload, I click

  • @coachjoeenglish
    @coachjoeenglish 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was an awesome explanation. I want me that Jerwagen now.

  • @arbaazkhan7330
    @arbaazkhan7330 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    U guys will not believe me yesterday i was talking with my brother that what does these stages mean why people upgrade in stages why not skip stages like from stage 1 to 3 or 4,and i was thinking to search about this topic, but today i got a notification and BOOM
    my words as itis in this video. ❤️

  • @Pickchore
    @Pickchore 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    My Gran taught me a lot about race tuning........
    Ol Gran Turismo.

  • @panda_wara3179
    @panda_wara3179 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Me: I will remember everything from this video.
    My brain litrelly 10min later: Bro what is tuning?

    • @Baddawg_313
      @Baddawg_313 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      1 day we will download information to our brain....one day 😊🤔

    • @user-lw5pj1yr8p
      @user-lw5pj1yr8p 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      damn these porn bots everywhere i go

    • @jacknickolstine3355
      @jacknickolstine3355 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      We usually run speed density with NA or mass air flow. When dealing with itb we like to do Alpha-N strategy.
      Don't know who told him Alpha-N was used in any NA vehicle.

  • @kwintendebruyn3738
    @kwintendebruyn3738 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    In Belgium it's like this.
    - Stage 1: ECU Tune
    - Stage 2: ECU Tune, Intercooler, Exhaust, Downpipe, (Kw) Air filter
    - Stage 3: ECU Tune, Hybrid Turbo, injectors, intake manifold, hp pump, and more

  • @jeremyhoinacki9629
    @jeremyhoinacki9629 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the big old honking turbo is a Vortech.

  • @aneegitwithaspanner6373
    @aneegitwithaspanner6373 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You guys have made me feel old.
    Thanks a lot!
    I watched my brother "stage 1" gass flow the head of his 1970's 2 stroke Kawasaki in the mid 80's
    When video games went beep and were called "pong"
    🤣

    • @vladraduandrei5227
      @vladraduandrei5227 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      seemed like they were nice times tbh, i was born in 95 so gran turismo 1 was not smth that I knew existed untill now