Shaw Teaches Obie His Tips For A Huge Pull - Is He Right?
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I can watch these breakdowns all day long. Breakdowns on the other big guys would awesome.
Haha thanks mate, i will try do more
Yea that would be awesome. I like these videos
@@MSTSystems Great vids and extremely informational! Quick question: can you analyze some of Big Z (Zydrunas Savickas) vids?
Interesting to listen about the shoulder retraction as I’ve had this issue in the past. Thanks for the videos Shane!
Thanks! Also thanks for the comment it helps 🙌🏻
This is some quality knowledge. I cant believe I just found your channel. As a strongman who has struggled with deadlift these are some excellent notes on deadlift
This is fascinating & so detailed, would love to see a full DL breakdown!
Thank you man, appreciate it . I have been convinced to do one baha
MST, Brian's been struggling with hamstring injuries because for one, like you said he's not pulling in that protracted position while training so when the weight gets heavier now as he's older he seems to struggle with pulling said bigger competition weights like recently, especially on the elephant bar deadlift where he seems to be more or less yanking it off the floor and struggles in pulling it past his knees.
Hopefully he makes some corrections, would love to see him get another title
I think it was Andy Bolton who said that he has his hips raised and only goes down as far as he needs to to grab the bar and no further
A breakdown of Eddie's pull would be class
Thanks for the video, great content and information!
Do more!
I just recently managed to actually unfuck my deadlift after years of weightlifting type training before starting with strongman training around 18 months ago.
I'm five-foot-nothing (166 cm) with stubby arms and somehow misproportioned torso and legs.
Almost all DL videos talked about bracing, retracting shoulders and narrow'ish stance, which all just seem to result in a worse DL for myself. Now I'm lifting feet pretty wide with even wider grip, no protraction, my scapulae over the bar, and only a decent amount of brace and just now getting into a position where my form won't break
Yeah the deadlift is really about learning to mould yourself into a unique and powerful position for the individual ! It’s a lovely lift
A general deadlift guide would be class, pretty please??
I might do that ! Will have a look first cos there’s 1 million online so I don’t wana just regurgitate info ha
@@MSTSystems I like the way you deliver the information, I would love a deadlift guide from you, seriously easy to listen to and I'm learning shitloads off you mate!
@@MSTSystems honestly, that lil tidbit on deadlifting everyday at like 70k was really good I don’t think you’d be rehashing anything all of what you said was really helpful and I’ve been training for a very long time
@@philasos6721 haha fair, I will do one but it will be mst systems style 😂
@@MSTSystems GOGO!💪
This is the problem that I also have with dl. So, my arms are short (even though I'm 190cm tall) and in locked position of the dl the bar goes right across my junk. Also, in the start position my upper body is parallel to the floor basically, and it makes me pull more with my back. What helps me is- I put mats under(maybe about 5cm, or a plate) and I can get more into that neutral spine position where I feel much much more stronger and make legs lift the weight off the floor. Then when I switch to regular dl(off the floor) it kinda transfers and I dont get affected in terms of the strenght but it kinda changes the lift completely and my lower back likes it. But again we all different I guess...idk.
Drilling lighter loads and mastering your floor positions would help more man, only if you are competing for a big deadlift, specificity is always king 🤙
I have to use a fairly wide stance as I'm a fairly big.
big upload !!
Great video young man
Thanks Marc 🙌🏻
You're doing God's work Shane 🙌
Love your videos!!
Thank you! Appreciate the comment
Interesting. Brian’s low hip position is kind of reminiscent of Mikhail Koklyaev’s deadlifting style: bent arms, full squat and shoulders behind the bar but why is it that Koklyaev can get away with it injury free while Brian constantly snaps his hamstrings?
I always thought Brian looks inefficient with the deadlift, as if he's trying to mimic a squat. Eddie and Thor had the best looking deadlift technique. Specially remember hearing Eddie talk about making your arms as long as possible as well.
Prayers to Brian’s Hamstrings.
Do you think alot of these huge guys can kind of 'gloss over' these technique adjustment's simply because they are strong enough just to power through ?
Unfortunately yes but also, it’s hard to get the right advice and you can sometimes think your getting the correct advice so go with it and not no any better! There aren’t many good strongman coaches about so it can be hard for these too guys to speak to someone who can bresk
Things down in more detail than them! Which is a shame… imagine if a mma fighter knee more than his coaches etc ha
This is blowing my mind
Hopefully in a good way haha
Thor had a great deadlift technique. And very good mobility for a big guy. Remember when they said ‘tall guys can’t deadlift or squat’ 😂😂. I think we believed it for years.
So now that what Brian does wrong has been established, it’d be interesting to compare it to hafthor bjornsson? His technique seems to be perfect for his leverages (which happen to be similar to Brian’s)
Thors pull is lovely and he has mastered his mechanics !
Brian’s older, probably got compensations going on
@@mark4lev he has been deadlifting this way for at least 8 years and the majority of his injuries on deadlifts have been in the last 3-4 years and as you can see from Shane's analysis he is putting himself in a position thats likely to make this worse
@@MSTSystems th-cam.com/video/GoYWLualcmc/w-d-xo.html
Brian here says that he knows his hips raise straight away when pulling. He says he deliberately brings his hips lower than needed to create tension in bottom position and hamstring glutes so he has power of the floor. Thoughts on this?
If Brian started with a higher hip position how would he create tension and tightness. Also how would he be able to use as much leg drive?
@@hassanzafar6697 well if the hips raise before the barbell moves, that isn’t leg drive, wouldn’t you agree? Leg drive can come from a high hip position (imagine a leg press, if you just did the top 1/4 you would have powerful “leg drive” but if you crushed yourself into the bottom position. You will feel “tight” but less power) Also feeling tension at the bottom end range of motion is a given (if you force yourself into a position it will feel restricted) I can create tension and tightness into my hamstrings right now (sat on the sofa lol) so you don’t require a end range to create tension 🙌🏻 does that make any sense ha
So your at a disadvantage mr oberst because your 6ft8 with a 6ft 4 wingspan, now let's retract them shoulders so that wingspan feels closer to 6ft and push your hips way back so that your hamstrings, the main mover of the deadlift, now has a greater moment arm
😂😂
Just to clarify mate : Do you shrug your shoulders too or keep them down??
Protract your shoulders and hide your armpits
Yeah protract and depress, so shove them forward and down . How much you move is individual, some get away with shoving shoulders really far forward and thoracic rounding, others thoracic locked and slightly pushing them forward etc, we are talking micro changes here so hard to see visually but you will FEEL the difference in your lift
thumbs up
Just to play devils advocate, is there an argument for keeping the ‘flat back shoulders back’ idea with weights that you can do it with in order to build the strength in this position. Then over time you will be able to keep this position for longer as you’ve built more strength in it? Or is it just a case of, regardless how strong you get doing that, you’ll always be stronger with slight curving and higher hips so just build on that?
Basically David what your saying there is what Brian does and a lot of other people, if your primary goal is to lift the most weight then eventually at top end %s your upper back / scap retraction WILL break, it’s a weak link! So you need to master these positions. That’s not to say that deadlifting as you described isn’t good for certain times but it’s just picking the right tool for the job
@@MSTSystems far point. I really liked this video, I think it’s giving people the confidence in knowing that the deadlift doesn’t need to be ‘perfect flat back’ and you can use different positions. The fear people have of snapping themselves in two if they have a slight arc probably holds many back from lifting more, I know it definitely has for me.
I am long time Obie fan and I want all the best for him, but I am 100% sure that he does fraction of the work compared to most pros. I just get the feeling he is slacking.
And before anyone says anything, I am kinda mad on this topic, cause I would like to see him be 100% of his potential. :D
@@Rautajermu if Obie fully committed all year then he could do very well.
Haha I don’t know obie at all, so can’t comment! He did say he’s a full timer in the video but maybe it’s more full time TH-cam than lifter haha
@@MSTSystems Btw, I think, if Brian didn't bring his shoulders back and hips so down, he could pull with more narrower stance. What are your thoughts on that? I mean, I am fat fuck and my deadlift jumped up from 270kg to 310 when I started to pull the way you recommended here. Most of it was because I was able to be on a narrower stance and i got shit ton of more tightness, pressure and explosiveness to my starting position.
@@Rautajermu you could very well be right! I do think with some tweaking he could find an extra 5% which is a lot at that level.
Thoughts on Brian’s new training program? You should react to his latest video
I got asked that but it’s hard to say tbh as that is just one session 20 weeks out .. watched the video he didn’t say much about the overall phase or goal / plan so hard to say
He did a nice substrate session though !
@@MSTSystems do you think you could coach him to get his 5th title?
@@hassanzafar6697 I mean at that level you’re talking micro adjustments and miniature tweaks, chipping a second here n there and a kg here n there, anyone who thinks they could guarantee that is delusional haha, i could offer s different perspective and tweaks which could make those differences but putting them all together on the day is another story ! Brian did amazing last year, it was just toms day! I know that doesn’t answer the question haha but hard one to give a straight answer to
On his site, he has every single session he's done over the last few years all documented with percentages etc
@@hassanzafar6697 yeah, I joined to watch the contest and found loads of training programs
I like the part where you talked about deadlifting more than one time per week.
Most people only train squats, deadlifts and such 1x per week and miss out on so much time learning the movement. Most people who suck at deadlifts, could without problems pull 3x per week, as long as they are within the range of recovery.
I dont know why its a thing to only train lifts once per week, its seems illogical to me.
Yeah, it’s a really common thing people get stuck in there head, like they are waiting 7 days to practise again. The benefits of just lighter load, easy recoverable work on a lift are mad but people wait 7 days to do a bit of heavy work again
@@MSTSystems i think it combines with the trend of only training one movement, musclegroup, etc. People can't their head around training multiple movements in a training. Not so much strongmen tho. But people seem confused when they get told to squat and press in a session
On the "retracted vs protracted"
I've always thought of it more as "depress rather than elevate"
What you think about that?
Yeah, depress is a good cue! Often people combine retract and depress the scap which ends up with it moving
@@MSTSystems yeah definstely confuses most.
what do you think about that when it comes to push press? What should you do doing with your upper back?
@@getstrongby4038 well that kinda depends, I’m assuming your on about a barbell to (if you’re on about log scroll my Videos I have a 3 part log tutorial which is mega if I do say so myself haha) but with a barbell if you have the optimal Olympic rack position then you don’t really need to think about your upper back per say, the weight will be distributed through your mid foot and sat kn your shoulders nicely, it just becomes a neutral / easy position to hold. If your rack position isn’t to good and the bar is in your hand / off your shoulder you might find thinking about depressing the upper back but you still wouldn’t retract it, hope that makes sense
@@MSTSystems yeah definately makes sense
Its a weird one, I don't do a proper rack postion like a weightlifter as even though it's optimal, I find transitioning the bar from fingertips to the low part of your palm of your hand your hand complete the press very awkward. And results results a very unstable wrist at lockout
Never done log tbh, always assumed you had to be mega strong lol
@@getstrongby4038 no man, log is for everyone haha, Also a full Olympic rack wouldn’t be on the finger tips, you will still take a full grip of the bar with your elbow up 🤙
Ok. Let me share my two cents. Famously, the Paul Anderson would use increasing range of motion to build his squat. He would increase weight and gradually increase his rom. So, increasing rom is legit. Also, you have seen Brian live, not me. But, in his vid with Tell, Brian set position and then activates his lats. Lats are stabilizers big time. Nick Best tore a lat because he activated it hard on too much. I dont believe in jerking. Even go Oly lifters dont jerk off the floor. They set their brace and accelerate against the bar rather than impact the bar.
Squat and deadlift are different as you can gradually lower the ROM and stay in the same position. Also you’re not wrong about the lats, but that isn’t what this video was about haha
Oberst would be better off watching a SS deadlift tutorial than listen to Shaw
If u want to develop a glass back like Brian, follow these tips. His form is terrible
I like to have a retracted scapular probably because I'm 5ft 9 with 5ft 11 armspan so a +2 ape index, I like to feel tight when I lift, and I don't pull 100%, but if I were pulling 100%, strengthening that possition would make sence, pieman maheripourehir has the most protracted scapular ive seen in my life he looks like his arms are about to fall out every time, however, eddiie hall, probably one of freekist deadlifters managed the 500kg with a straight back and a neutral back, maybe that wasn't his 100% he did hold it for like 6 seconds lol
Neutral spine and scap retraction are different things! Eddies shoulders weren’t locked into retraction, but his thoracic was locked nicely
Could you do Ivan makarov, his 505kg and 550kg probably uncrowned silver Dollar king
@@Scott-jk5zk I will have. A look Scott! Also wanted to say, if you have long arms and good deadlift levers you can get away with a retracted scap like you said, you will be losing floor speed BUT if your floor speed is still good it will mean you will be in a bette position over the knee to lockout, very individual but mastering scap position for your leverages is the key to a big deadlift
@@MSTSystems my deadlift accelerates as I leave the floor I'm slow and I have a good lockout
@@Scott-jk5zk yeah, neutral spine and retracted scap is not optimal for floor speed, protraction and slight flexion will increase floor speed but hinder your lockout position. The trick is to learn the middle ground for your leverages so you come off the floor nicely but are in a good place to lockout still !
Shaw giving some of the worst deadlift advice I've ever seen lmao
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